Today's guest believes modern feminism
is literally satanic.
>> Witchcraft is the fastest growing
religion, especially among Gen Z women
in America. Female creators on Tik Tok
will show you how to make a ritual out
of your abortion.
>> Growing up with a conservative father
and a Marxist feminist mother, she was
raised with two competing visions of
what a woman was actually supposed to
be.
>> My mom's view was everybody deserves.
You only don't have because someone else
has. And my dad would explain things are
based on merit. You kind of start having
to learn to think things through and try
to figure out, well, which one is
correct?
>> Now a Christian mother of five, she
spent the last few years uncovering the
dark origins of the feminist movement,
connecting it to demon worship, seances,
and CIA sex cults.
>> You're Gen Z, right?
>> Yes.
>> Do you know that almost a third of your
generation was aborted? Abortion is a
ritual sacrament for them. In this
episode, we'll explore why she believes
modern women are unhappier than ever,
expose the dark rituals that shaped
feminism in America, and question if
this movement that promised women
freedom was actually a spiritual trap
designed by the devil.
>> Elizabeth Katie Stanton said that if she
could get rid of the Bible and
Christianity altogether, wipe it from
the face of the earth, that would be the
best thing. But she said it's the most
widely published and most influential
book on the planet. So, the second best
thing we can do is
>> Rich Wilson, welcome to the Jagnail
podcast. Thanks for having me. It's good
to be here.
>> Rachel, the average American woman is
the most educated, most financially
independent, and most free woman in
human history. She's also the loneliest,
most depressed, and least likely to have
kids. Why do you think women are so
unhappy in 2026?
>> That's the million-dollar question.
There's actually been two uh largecale
studies done trying to answer that
question. I think the first came out in
2009. And it was called the paradox of
declining female happiness. And in this
study, the authors in their summary said
that uh women have reported you know
this is based on women's surveys when
you're asking women their opinion on how
they are doing in life, how they feel
about things. Um they're reporting
higher levels of unhappiness, like you
said, loneliness, depression, uh than
ever before. So if we go back to the
70s, which is arguably kind of the
tipping point where feminism became the
dominant ethos, uh if you go back to the
early '7s where they asked women these
questions, they largely reported being
pretty content. Um and now in the 2000s,
we have 26% of all American women on at
least one psychiatric drug. We have
higher rates of fetal alcohol syndrome
and alcoholism among women than we've
ever recorded before. Uh, and women just
overall reporting dissatisfaction,
unhappiness, a feeling of uh, being
really torn trying to have it all,
trying to have a career and be a career
woman and also have a family and and do
all of that. Uh, women don't know what
to do with relationships because on the
one hand, they want men who make more
than they do. They want uh, men who are
higher achieving than they are, yet this
creates a paradox. Whereas women have
become the number one earners of college
degrees. They have uh now got salaries
that compete with men. Uh and they've
got more equality than ever before.
They're finding that the men are not
suitable to marry. They're finding that
uh you know they just can't find a guy
who's on their level or higher, which is
what they really want. So we've created
like a paradox where by giving women
everything that at least feminism told
us they wanted which was full equality
uh independence from men so that we
could choose a husband based on you know
who we love and not who we need that
this would make women happier and we're
finding ourselves in a position where
women are reporting the highest levels
of unhappiness ever. They're actually
even three times more likely than men
now to have common mental health issues.
Women have always been more prone to
mental health issues than men since we
started tracking that, but it's gone up.
It's gotten worse. The disparity has
grown. Women are finding themselves in a
conundrum where they've got all the
things that they were told would make
them happy and they're finding that
they're more dissatisfied than ever. And
what often happens, you'll see these
viral clips on the internet of women in
their 30s and 40s, you know, sitting
alone in their car crying, saying, "I
did all the things I was supposed to do.
I followed the prescription and I'm
unhappy. I'm stressed out. I'm alone. I
can't find a husband. I won't have a
family. Am I am I going to die by
myself? What did I do? I can't go back."
So I for me, it's a really tragic thing
for women. So, you would boil it down to
women are unhappy because they're
lonely, because they're not getting
married and they're not having kids.
>> I think that's a big part of it. And I
think it's also uh we put so much
pressure and responsibility on women to
do it all, be it all, and have it all. I
really experienced a lot of that myself
in my early 20s. So, after I got through
K through 12 high school, um I was
always a smart kid. I was always in like
advanced classes preparing for college.
I was given the message that you're
definitely going to college. You know,
you've got to go. You're too smart. You
can't waste your intellectual capacity
uh by not going to school and having an
important job. That's what you're going
to do like from kindergarten on. And by
the time I got done with 12th grade, I
thought, I think I just want to get
married and have kids. Like, I really
just want to marry my boyfriend, start a
family, and be a mom. Like, that's
that's what I want to do. and maybe
someday if I want to have a career, I
can do that later. People thought I was
insane. Everybody around me, my parents,
my friends, uh, pretty much everyone
around me just thought that was totally
nuts. Like, what? You're not going to go
to college? You have a full ride
scholarship and you're not going to take
it? You're going to regret it? It's
going to be terrible. Your life's going
to be over. Um, so it was like, what
what do I do here? Cuz I want what if I
want to be a mom and have kids? Like, I
want to raise them myself. How am I
going to do that if I'm gone 40 to 50
hours a week? Especially if I get a
career that's like very demanding. Um,
you know, like if I want to be a doctor
or something, where does that leave room
for raising my kids, I'm going to have
to outsource that to someone else? And I
didn't like that idea. And when I said I
thought that that was kind of silly and
inefficient, I thought, isn't that
silly?
I'm having children and I'm going to pay
some other stranger who isn't their
mother maybe 12 bucks an hour or
something to spend all day with them and
I might get to see them for a couple
hours at night and on the weekend and
that's it.
>> And meanwhile they're not even with
their kids.
>> Exactly. So I thought we're all just
shift. It's like we're playing musical
chairs with the children and it's like
well you raise mine so that I can go to
work and then someone else will raise
yours so that you can go to work
watching my kids. And when I said, I
think that seems silly. Who came up with
this system? It sounds terrible to me.
It was like I was challenging this
deeply held dogma, this like preciously
held dogma that like, well, you don't
want to be enslaved, do you? And I was
like,
I don't know that going to work for a
corporation and having to pay half of
what I make to have someone else raise
my kids, I don't know, that kind of
sounds a little bit like like slavery to
me more than having a family. But there
was just this this idea that if I didn't
have my own money and my own career, the
only guy who was going to be interested
was someone who wanted to take advantage
of me and hurt me and wanted me to be
vulnerable and not able to escape.
>> You kind of gave the most important part
of your backstory to understand why you
view uh feminism the way you do, but I
want to know about your parents and your
childhood. like what's the most
important part of your childhood that
shaped maybe why you chose to write your
book and some of your views today?
>> When I was 9 years old, my parents got
divorced and um you know, my dad sat us
down and explained that my mom had found
somebody new. Uh she was going to
divorce him um and that he had to move
out. And I remember asking him, wait, if
if mom got a boyfriend, you know, you're
not supposed to do that. That, you know,
that's against the rules. Why do you
have to leave? That doesn't make sense.
And uh my dad kind of got like tears in
his eyes. And then I told him I I
remember saying, "I have a lump in my
throat. It kind of hurts right here."
And then he just kind of lost it. Um and
you know, my mother really didn't want
to explain. It was just like dad's got
to go and this other guy is going to
move in. And um that was kind of like
the beginning of everything changing for
me and my sister. And I remember
thinking
and and I had people like adults in my
life when I would ask, you know, one of
my mom's friends was babysitting and I
was like, why just I know my mom wants a
new boyfriend, but why does that mean
that my dad has to move out now this
guy's going to move in? I why can't me
and my sister have our dad? And you
know, I'm trying to figure this out as a
9-year-old. And the answer I kept
getting was, "Well, your mom needs to be
happy." And I thought, "Well, yeah, I
want my mom to be happy. Of course, I
love my mom, but what about me being
happy? And what about my dad being
happy? And what about my sister being
happy?" So, that was kind of like the
first seeds of me wondering, why is she
the only person that matters in this
equation? Shouldn't we all matter? Um,
and nobody had a good answer. So as I
got older, um my mother had been kind of
radicalized in college as a Marxist and
then started writing or reading Marxist
literature like the mists of Avalon.
It's like a feminist retelling of the
Camelot legend. Uh and it was from this
very like Marxist feminist perspective.
And she kind of adopted this view that
like men are bad and evil, especially
white men. The evil white men that have
all the power are bad. um uh the
intersectional stuff like the more
oppressed you are, the more truth you
have and the more righteous you must be.
And if you have money or you own a
business or you're a white person or
you're a male, you must be bad. You must
be oppressing someone to have those
things. And that was kind of her
worldview. So most of the week living
with mom, that's the stuff I would kind
of hear filtered through. You know, it
kind of trickles out as you're talking
about things growing up. Then I go to my
dad's and he was a business owner. He
was a a Rush Limba guy, you know, in the
car we'd be listening to Rush Limba on
the way to, you know, my orthodontist
appointments or something. So, I grew up
listening to him with dad and my dad
would explain things from a completely
different worldview. Like things are
based on merit. Um, it depends how hard
you work for things cuz a lot of people
aren't willing to work hard and those
who are can potentially get ahead even
if they maybe started out behind. You
know, my dad would say, you know, I
didn't grow up with money, but I'm doing
a lot better now than my dad was because
I put in 14-hour days. I have better
ideas than the other guys in in the same
industry I work in. Um, so you earn your
way in the world. Whereas my mom's view
was completely different. You know, it
was everybody deserves
and you only don't have because someone
else has. So these two completely
opposite conflicting worldviews that you
get as a kid, you kind of start having
to learn to think things through and try
to figure out, well, which one is
correct? How do I know which one is
correct? And how do I filter through
these ideas to figure out which
worldview is more accurate? What should
I follow? Because I'm getting completely
different directions from both parents.
And I remember the best piece of advice
my dad ever gave me um especially being
a woman. He said
self-esteem is not based on external
validation. You will never get a sense
of self-esteem, a true sense of it from
people telling you you're pretty or
telling you they like you or saying you
did a good job. You get your real
self-esteem from making good decisions
and learning that you can trust yourself
to do the right thing.
Um, and that was one of the first pieces
that I felt really clicked for me. Uh,
that, you know, maybe dad's on to
something. Maybe his worldview is more
correct. And as I went through school
and saw that, you know,
if we had a group project or something,
often times people would want to be on
my team. Oh, I want to do the group
project with Rachel because they know,
uh, I care about it. I'm going to try
hard and I'm going to make I want to get
an A on the project. So, so they could
sit back and kind of relax and kind of
let me do all the work. And I thought
this must be that merit-based stuff
dad's talking about, right? So, yeah,
just my experiences going through life,
I felt like my dad's worldview was a lot
more matched up with reality than my
mother's idea that uh people just
deserve. We're all just born deserving
what we want and someone needs to
provide it and if they don't, it's
because of evil or oppression in the
world.
>> You have a book, Ault Feminism. Do you
think a big reason you decided to write
this book was trying to maybe understand
what could have led to the society that
shaped her views.
>> Oh, definitely. Um, and I I wrote it
with the idea in mind that I have four
daughters and I hope to have a lot of
grandkids. If the Lord grants me that, I
would be so happy. And I I wanted to
make sense of the world like you said.
Uh, what kind of society
shapes a woman the way that it did my
mother? and so many other women like
her. Like if you look at the popular
culture, you look at things like Sex in
the City, you look at every pop star
like Sabrina Carpenter right now is
making a multi-million dollar a year
industry off of cute little man-hating
songs and things like this, you know?
And I was trying to make sense of how
did we get here? Because uh my mom
wasn't around a lot growing up because
of all her issues. I would get sent to
the to my grandparents house all the
time. And so I grew up mostly with my
grandmas and uh one of them just turned
100 on April 1st and she was probably
the most influential person on me and
again got a totally different view of
the world from her than I did from my
mother and she was much more traditional
and a very like practical hardworking
lady. Um not political at all. Grandma
didn't care about politics. She wasn't
talking about politics. She was worried
about, you know, getting the house
cleaned, cooking dinner, um taking care
of the grandkids, those sort of things.
And I feel like um
the world she grew up in was so
different from the one that created my
mother and from the one that shaped me.
Almost everybody today kind of looks
around and we all know that like
something's off, something's not
working. men and women are kind of
pitted against each other and we have
these dating apps and like nobody's
happy and nobody's having kids and
nobody knows what to do about it and
everybody knows that something is wrong
or something is off but nobody really
knows what it is and it's it's right in
our face but because we're swimming in
feminist waters just like a fish doesn't
know it's swimming in water we don't
realize that that's what it is and
that's why I was like I' I've really got
to write a book because I feel like I
could explain now that I have done so
much research and read so much history.
I spent years reading early feminist
writings, you know, going back to Mary
Wilencraft or even before, which is
something nobody does unless you're
going to college for gender studies. And
then of course, you're going to read it
through the lens of feminism was
wonderful and it's awesome and it's
great. But me reading it through more of
a skeptical lens of like I just want to
know what happened. You know, I hadn't
even decided that it was evil or
satanic. I didn't know any of that. I
was just like, I want to know what
happened. I'm curious,
>> not what she wrote, but who is this
person that wrote this and why did they
write it and who funded it and who
>> Yeah.
>> uh made it popular?
>> Yeah. Why did somebody like Mary
Wilstoncraft in the late 1700s at the
height of the revolutionary period, why
did she write Vindication of the Rights
of Women, which is like the first big
feminist uh publication,
>> the the kind of the thing that started
it all? Um why did she write that? Like
what was going on in her life? what was
the society like around her? What things
prompted her to want to write such a
thing? How did people respond to it? So,
I spent years reading that stuff. And
then once I felt like, okay, I've got
like a really clear picture on what I
think happened. I want to write a book.
And I really thought it would be for my
kids and for my grandkids. I never
thought it would blow up and become like
a bestseller. Um, I just wanted to help
them like as my daughters are growing up
and they're deciding, do I want to start
a family? Do I want to have a career?
like which way do I want to go? I just
wanted them to know the truth. This is
my big thing with feminism is that uh if
this is a movement for women, if it's
for me, if it's for my daughters and
it's for our benefit, we should know the
truth about it. We should know the truth
about how it came about, who pushed it
to the forefront, who paid to push it to
the forefront, why there needed to be a
century and billions of dollars worth of
propaganda, why the CIA had to get
involved to create things like Miz
Magazine to push this stuff on the
culture. Like, we should know that as
women, if we if we are the benefactors
of feminism, you could at least tell us
the truth. I think it's very patronizing
to
say, "Ah, don't look at that. Don't look
at that. Just look just you don't want
to be stuck in a bad marriage, do you?
You know, don't you want your own
money?"
>> So, that's why I wrote the book, cuz I I
just feel like women deserve the truth
about it.
>> Rich, when most people think about how
feminism actually started, they maybe
think of early 1900s, women marching,
figures like Susan B. Anthony, the
suffragettes. Uh, but your book says
feminism started thousands of years
earlier.
>> Yeah.
>> Hey, really quick. Do you have a 401k, a
Roth IRA, or happen to have a lot of
money in crypto? Because you're
definitely going to want to hear about
this. See, the biggest supporters of
this podcast right now are the guys over
at iTrust Capital. And when they first
reached out to me and explained what
they did, it literally sounded like a
cheat code. See, with their platform,
you can convert your existing 401k or
Roth IRA into one that lets you buy
Bitcoin, Ethereum, and over 80
cryptocurrencies while maintaining the
same tax-saving benefits. Now, of
course, you can start a new IRA with
them if you're bullish on Bitcoin and
want to save on taxes if you ever decide
to cash out. But if you're someone who
already has a lot of crypto and you're
worried about it getting hacked or
stolen, iTrust also offers a PCA
account, which is institutional grade
level custody, meaning your assets are
fully insured, ultra secure, and never
sitting on any risky exchanges. So, if
you guys want to get access, just go to
jackneil.com/itrust
or scan the QR code on screen. Again,
that is jackneil.com/itrust
or hit the first link in the description
for an easy $100 bonus.
But anyway, back to the podcast. So,
where does the real story of feminism
actually start?
>> At the beginning of humanity, of course,
I'm a Christian, so I'm going to look at
things through my Christian lens. But
even if you're not, let's say you're
secularist, you don't care about the
religious part.
Clearly, nature has a hierarchy. Men are
physically stronger, physically bigger
um than women are. And that's why
through all of history until technology
made it possible to have feminism. Like
if you're wondering why did we never
have this feminism stuff? Why didn't it
take over until the last 150 years? It's
because we needed an industrial
revolution and then a technological
revolution to create a world where women
could be equal. Meaning uh women can go
out and and earn a living just like a
man. They can drive on roads that were
built by men in a car that was built by
men and is maintained by men to an
office building that men built with an
electrical power structure and uh
telecommunications that are all built
and maintained by men. And they can sit
at a computer and have a job and say I'm
equal with men and I'm the same as men.
230 years ago there was no such thing.
If you were on a farmstead working
alongside your husband, sure you worked.
You got up and you took care of the
children. You milked the cows. You
turned the butter. You did all of the,
you know, domestic agricultural stuff,
but you knew that you couldn't, you
know, uh, take giant steel beams and
move them like your husband and his
friends could. You knew that the barn
raising was done by the men because that
stuff's heavy and you have to be big and
strong in order to move, you know, big
heavy things and do heavy dangerous
work. So there wasn't this idea that
like men and women are inherently equal.
And when I say equal, I don't mean in
value in the eyes of God or in value in
the eyes of people even. It's more just
that it's very clear that there's a
biologically based difference between
men and women and each have their own
responsibilities, their own burdens,
their own roles to play because we are
not interchangeable widgets. Now that we
have technology, everybody thinks we
are. So I went back, I thought it was
going to start around Mary Wilstoncraft
and then as I went further back I
realized there were women like Christine
de Pison who was a writer for the French
court in the 1500s. She was actually
Italian but um became a prominent writer
and worked for the French aristocracy
and made her own money became published
um and she even wrote a lot about you
know why why she thought we should push
women to a higher station in society and
things like that and I thought oh that's
interesting you know that's a little
earlier and I kept kind of working my
way back and you realize that from the
beginning of humanity whether you think
that's in the Garden of Eden or whether
you think that's in ancient Mesopotamia
There's always been this hierarchical
balance of men having a monopoly on
physical force and women having a
monopoly on reproduction and who gets to
reproduce. What do I mean by that? If
you look at genetic studies, each of us
alive today has twice as many female
ancestors as we have male ancestors. And
the reason for that is because as a
woman, all you need to do to, you know,
reproduce and make a genetic copy of
yourself is be fertile. And some man is
going to come along and he's going to
fertilize you, right? That's really all
you have to do. For men, it's never been
like that. You've always had to either
be able to, you know, compete and
dominate with other men by force or by
having more resources or more wealth or
status than them. you had to have, you
know, either had to take a war bride or
get permission from a woman's father um
in ancient times in order to reproduce.
And a lot of men died before they got
the chance to do that, whether in war or
by doing dangerous work um things like
that. So,
there's always been this kind of uh
hierarchy. And what feminism did was it
said, "We're going to try to equalize
that. We're going to try to equalize the
hierarchy. We're going to try to boost
women up to where we think men are. But
the problem there is that along with the
power that men had came a lot of
responsibility and difficult duties that
women either don't want to fulfill or
physically cannot fulfill. Women have a
duty that men cannot physically fulfill
which would be childbirth. So from my
view looking at history, there was a
balance in place
and what feminism did was threw the
balance off completely and shifted a
whole bunch of power to women without
the corresponding duties and
responsibilities and accountability that
would go with that.
So if you look at ancient times, you had
um women's only agency was things like
temple prostitution, being uh you know,
a priestess. You know, we're talking
about pagan times like ancient pagan
Rome maybe would be a good example of
women can either marry into wealth,
power, and status, they can be born into
it, or they can do something like become
a a temple priestess or a temple
prostitute or something like that. And
that's I guess a form of like sexual
liberation in ancient times.
>> And when Christianity came along, it
kind of did away with that and elevated
women to more of a holding them in a
virtuous position. Um not treating them
as, you know, sacrificial lambs. We're
not, you know, sacrificing virgins to
angry gods or anything like that. We're
saying no, women should be protected and
provided for. They should be venerated
as mothers and and good wives and they
should be chasteed and pure to the
extent that they can. And then men's job
is to protect and provide. And it it
kind of it changed the social order of
men and women from what the pagan order
was depending on where you were. So, the
pagans uh what were like some of the
goddesses they were worshiping and what
were those societies that like were kind
of pushing that feminist uh flip in
gender dynamics.
>> Yeah. So the my book opens going over
some of this and how like a lot of the
ancient goddesses were um you they
usually were goddesses of fertility um
but they were also usually kind of
vengeful and angry a lot of them were
which is why they've become popular
again in feminist circles especially in
the 1970s there was a goddess worship
revival um and that's kind of going on
now like if you go on Tik Tok there's
plenty of girls talking about like
Lilith or Anana or some of these
revitalized ancient uh goddesses that
they they worship and whether they
worship them truly in a spiritual sense
or whether they're kind of worshiping
them in like a not so much a literal
sense but just saying I like this idea
this is like an avatar of the the strong
independent woman who gets her revenge
on men for trying to subjugate her. Um
>> it depends right
at the end of the day.
>> Yes. At the end of the day it's it's
basically the same thing. Interestingly,
a great a great example of this is the
first cover of Miz Magazine. Now, Miz
Magazine was the first feminist
publication that was like really popular
in America. There were feminist
publications going back to the early
1800s, but this was like a mainstream
magazine that was really pushed and
became really popular in the 70s. It was
founded by Gloria Steinum and Clay
Felker of the CIA. So, it had CIA
funding and CIA backing, which is people
probably think that's super weird. Why
would the CIA be interested in feminism?
And it was part of a Cold War project
called the Congress for Cultural
Freedom. And this was an effort by the
CIA to to compare and contrast and
distinguish us from Soviet Russia and
say, "We have this liberal freedom. They
are, you know, these these oldtimey
oppressors, these communists." Um, and
it was kind of like an anti-communist
propaganda to push the women's
liberation thing, like, hey, in the West
you can be free as a woman and you can't
have that under the communists, which my
second book is actually coming out later
this year is about that, about how
actually the communists were the first
ones to really push the feminism in in
government and and make it legal under
the Bolevik regime. But that aside, um,
the first copy of Miz Magazine on the
cover, now remember, you're trying to
market this magazine to suburban
housewives in America in 1973.
And they picked the Hindu goddess Khali.
And she is a blue skinned kind of
terrifying looking Hindu goddess who Now
I'm not saying this from the from the
Hindu perspective because I'll get
Hindus that get upset with me and
they'll message me you're wrong about
No, I'm saying the feminists from the
feminist perspective in the 70s they saw
her as a vengeful goddess who only
accepts the sacrifice of men. Um she,
you know, eats the blood of men on the
battlefield. She is the dark mother. Um,
and so there's this picture of her with
six arms and in her six arms she's
holding a baby and an iron and a frying
pan and there's even like a baby in her
womb and on the cover it's you know one
of the issues it's talking about
abortion is one of the article topics.
So there's like this baby in the womb of
the and she's dressed in like an apron.
And so
very bizarre choice, but what they were
trying to get across is like we're at
this tipping point where we're going to
choose whether we're going to be these
domestic slaves who are just baby
factories. You know, all we our our life
is not, you know, up to us. We're
subjugated by men and we're just forced
to give birth and be chained to the
stove until we die.
um or we're going to become vengeful
like goddesses who get our revenge
against the evil oppressive patriarchy.
So I'm not saying Hindus believe this.
I'm saying feminists use these angry
vengeful goddess archetypes
to as like a cultural weapon to push the
propaganda. But if you do go back to
ancient times that that was often the
role of a goddess figure was fertility
um domination of men or revenge of men
against men through sex. So if you look
at like even like a lot of the ancient
Roman gods, a lot of the ancient Greek
gods and you read the mythology, there's
often this uh the gods are always
fighting, right? They're always at war.
Pagan gods are always fighting with each
other, kind of like humans. And the way
that the female goddesses usually get
back at the men is by, you know, eating
their offspring, um, uh, seducing them,
using their sexuality as a weapon to get
revenge, things like that. And so the
feminist movement loves that. They, they
love reading that mythology and turning
it into like a feminist um, cry to
battle.
>> Yeah. Your book spends a lot of time on
three ancient goddesses, specifically
Lilith, Kie, and Anana.
>> Can you tell me a little bit about
Lilith and Anana, and kind of like how
they shaped uh modern feminism?
>> Yeah, so Anana was one of the most
important goddesses in ancient Sumeriia.
She was kind of one of the one of the
top tier ones. There was a lot of
temples built to her. one of the oldest
um like goddess stories that we have,
one of the oldest archetypes that we
have. And something you'll find with her
that's pretty common across all of these
goddess archetypes is that they're
they're a mother. So, they give life,
they give birth, they're usually also um
fertility goddesses. Um they use
sexuality, like I said, as a weapon or
um as a way to get power or control. Uh
because they don't have the monopoly on
force. the big male gods are stronger,
you know, physically or whatever
whatever it might be. And uh
in ancient times when you were
worshiping one of these goddesses like
Anana, you would usually uh go to a
temple prostitute and there was this
sense that female sexuality was like a
way to connect with the divine. Um, and
so prostitutes were often venerated, at
least temple prostitutes, maybe not
street prostitutes, but temple
prostitutes were venerated. They were um
held in high regard. So, it's like an
early example of female sexuality being
used as this this way to elevate women
because it's it can be a weapon.
Sexuality for women and seduction and
fertility can is a power that we have
that men don't have. We're the people
who basically get to decide who gets to
to reproduce. Like I said, unless you're
grabbing war brides or something, but
that wasn't most men through most of
history. Um, and Lilith was
>> I just want to clarify really quick. So,
temple prostitutes, uh,
>> I kind of have a guess of what that is.
Like, is that a priestly woman that
would participate in like a fertility
ritual with men for some kind of like
explain what that is? Yeah, it kind of
depended on the the culture and the time
because it it changed and it differed a
little bit, but it was a religious
sacrament of sorts in the pagan world to
you'd go to the temple, you would meet
with the temple prostitute, you would,
you know, have some kind of relations
with her and that would be a way to
commune with the divine or a way to give
an offering. Um, and that's something
that has continued like the modern
occult rituals are kind of based on
that. They kind of take those ideas and
and use them in occult rituals. Um
because that's all the occult is really
is like a secretive type of esoteric
religious practice that takes a lot of
the ancient stuff like hermeticism um
paganism and turns it into like ritual
magic. You've written that one of the
earliest
modern movements to bring these ancient
goddesses back was a religion called is
it called Wikah or witchcraft?
Technically,
>> uh Wikah is a type of witchcraft. So,
it's like a subset.
>> Got it. Yeah. So, just maybe a theology
known as witchcraft or religion known as
witchcraft. How do you define witchcraft
and how is it connected to feminism? Uh,
witchcraft. I took a whole chapter on it
to explain kind of the history of it and
how it's always been um a way for women
who felt like they were outside of the
competitive female hierarchy to have
power, to get revenge, to
think of the archetype of the witch,
like the wicked witch with the big nose.
She's always ugly and haggarded. Um,
she's always dressed in black, wearing
the pointy hat. She lives in a cabin off
on the edge of the woods away from the
town. Um, she scares the children, she
kidnaps and eats the children. Um, and
she gives, you know, like, think of Snow
White, think of Sleeping Beauty, like
all of the fairy tales that we have. The
witch is always trying to hurt the
young, beautiful maiden, trying to
poison her with an apple, trying to
steal her youth, steal her beauty. These
archetypes exist for a reason. There's
always been some women who don't compete
well within the hierarchy for mates. So,
if you're a pretty girl that men like,
you're charming, um, and men want to
marry you, the system works great for
you. But there's always this minority of
women who, for whatever reason, whether
they're physically repulsive to men,
maybe they are their personality type is
very combative and and unappealing for
men, and they're kind of shunned by the
patriarchy. It's like, ugh, go over
there. We don't we don't really want
anything to do with you. We want the
beautiful young, nice girls that are
going to make good wives. And throughout
history, and this is not just according
to me, there's a witch who teaches about
this at New York University that I um
reference in my book. This is from her
perspective as a second generation witch
herself. that those women have always
gone outside of society and practiced
witchcraft as a way to uh have some
power, have some influence, get some
revenge, um take back what they feel
they deserve, that they're not getting
that the rest of society is bene
benefiting from. So they this whole uh
thing where men choose women and women
choose men and they get married and they
have a nuclear family. If that doesn't
work for them, witchcraft is very
appealing because it's always very
anti-atriarchy. It's also very
anti-Christian. It's it's a way to kind
of fight back as a woman who the system
doesn't work for. So that's why we have
the archetype of the witch. But in
actual history, witches um everybody's
heard of like the witch trials and um
you know burning witches at the stake
and things like this. And uh in the
middle of the 20th century, there was
this big effort to
make the witch into a sympathetic
character starting with Elrank Bomb in
the Wizard of Oz. Now LFrank Bomb's
mother-in-law was named Matilda Joslyn
Gage. She was one of the prominent
suffragettes, a good friend of Susan B.
Anthony and Elizabeth Katie Stanton, the
two big figures of women's suffrage. and
LFrank Bomb lived with her for a long
time and and was very heavily influenced
by her and he wrote the character of
Glenda the good witch after her. Now,
Matilda Joslyn Gage wrote a book called
uh Woman, Church and State. And this was
her explaining how she felt that
Christianity and the state came together
to oppress women and that Christianity
was the root from which women were
oppressed and that if we want to have
real feminism and we want real women's
liberation, we've got to get rid of
Christianity.
So when El Frank Bahal wrote the Wizard
of Oz, this was a big influence on him
and that was the first time that we've
seen somebody try to make a witch into
the good guy basically. But then that
kind of continued um post World War II
when the culture wars began ramping up
again. We saw stuff like uh the old TV
show Bewitched
um where it's a witch named Samantha
who's cute and adorable and she wiggles
her nose and casts spells and she
marries her husband and her husband's
always telling her not to use her
witchcraft. You be a normal woman. You
don't use your witchcraft. You be a good
wife. Um, and and that was another kind
of cultural attempt to say it's if you
read between the lines, it's saying,
"Hey, women in their powers and
influence, whether it's their sexuality
or their spirituality,
um, why should that be oppressed by bad
men?" You know, maybe the witch is
really the good guy. You know, maybe
she's the rebellious woman that's not
going to let men push her around and
tell her what to do. Um, and then now in
the last few years, we have Wicked,
which is this other big cultural
phenomenon with Ariana Grande. And, uh,
again, we see a witch character who is
really the good person, but is being
painted as bad when when it's
unwarranted, and she's actually this
sympathetic character who's fighting for
what's right, and she's just
misunderstood.
So, throughout all of history, it was
never that way. witches were persecuted
and people think that's because they
were opinionated women. That's not the
reason at all. If you actually go back
and read some of uh the things that were
being written around the time of the
prominent witchcraft trials, a lot of
the people who were uh not saying that
there weren't people who were wrongly
accused or wrongly tortured or anything
like that. There certainly were. But a
lot of the people who were persecuted by
the church for doing witchcraft were
abortion providers. So witches had
herbal remedies and um knew how to do
like kind of primitive surgical
abortions and things like that. They had
tinctures. They had um herbal remedies
to induce abortions. Um and they often
did do ritual magic. That's where the
broomstick comes from. It's a little
graphic, but in my book I explain where
the idea of the witch riding the broom
comes from. So in medieval times, uh
there was a practice in witchcraft of
using um like it wasn't LSD because that
hadn't been synthesized yet, but there
were like natural things like iawasa or
other type of psychedelic drugs,
hallucinogenic drugs. Um mushrooms would
probably be the primary one. They would
make like a paste or a like a lubricant
out of that and put it on a broomstick
and use it in a sex ritual. So you are
uh sex is always the most powerful uh
way to do ritual magic because the
emotions are so heightened and the
belief is that you can kind of access
the divine through climax through this
heightened emotional state. So that's
why almost every famous occultist you've
heard of like maybe somebody like
Alistister Crowley, they're always doing
ritual sex magic. It's because it's
supposed to be the most powerful type of
magic that's goes back to the temple
prostitution that goes back to ancient
times. So, witches would indeed use um
hallucinogenic tinctures as like a
lubricant and then use something like a
broomstick and do ritual magic. And
that's where the idea of flying on a
broomstick
>> came from. Hey, quick question. How many
different AI tools are you using right
now to run your business? Cuz if you're
like me, you're probably using ChatGBT
for brainstorming, Claude for emails and
copywriting, some chatbot service for
customer support, and probably an AI
voice agent to make your calls. And
that's why our team switched over to
High Level. It saves us so much money,
and it's super convenient having all the
AI tools for our business in one place.
Like with their AI studio, you get voice
agents that answer calls and book
appointments 24/7, a chatbot that
responds to leads within seconds, and
with just a simple prompt, you can
create a website, a leadfunnel, social
media posts that are all connected to
the same CRM. So, if you guys want to
stop paying for a dozen different AI
tools to run your business, just go to
jagnil.com/hyle
or scan the QR code on screen. Again,
that's jackagnneil.com/highlevel
if you want to run your entire business
with one AI platform.
But anyway, guys, back to the podcast.
>> And so, when you see witches flying on
broomsticks, that's like a a subtle way
of saying what they were doing. Um, same
thing with the pointy hat, the pointy
hat actually comes from Cabala. A lot of
medieval witches practiced cabala and
there was like a black triangular kind
of pointy hat that people would wear
back then when they practiced cabala and
that's where the witch's hat comes from.
So,
>> but where does that come from
originally? Like the pointy hat, like
what does that symbolize?
>> I'm not sure what it symbolizes. There's
a lot You always see threes a lot.
Anything in threes, even in
Christianity, we have the trinity. Three
is like kind of a sacred sacred geometry
thing.
>> Got it. It's a triangle.
>> Yes, it's a triangle.
>> That makes sense. So from ancient Cabala
is where the the witchcraft hat kind of
originates from. And again, this is not
Rachel telling you as a Christian. This
is me listening to lectures and reading
books written by witches, modern-day
witches, who are telling you proudly
what their heritage is. So if you think
I'm wrong, you got to go take it up with
them. That's what they told me. So, and
a lot of witches were actually
prosecuted for practicing witchcraft,
doing spellcraft. Another really common
reason a witch might have been
persecuted or burned at the stake was
they were the uh primary purveyors of
poison. So if you wanted to poison
someone, you went to a witch to get a
poison so that you could poison someone,
often men. So it's a really interesting
historical fact that women have always
used poison as like a primary means of
unaliving someone. um whereas men tend
to use more brute force uh that sort of
thing. And as we developed testing to
identify if somebody was murdered with
poison, poisonings went down. Um it's
kind of interesting, but that was like a
a primary method. If you wanted an
abortion, if you wanted to kill someone
by poison, if you wanted to do ritual
sex magic, you went to the witch
>> who lived outside of town. So if if you
had to break down like the real reason
the witch trials happened, the burnings,
like would you say that all the women
accused were accused of those two
specific things or was the Catholic
Church uh and aristocracy like more mad
at the actual magic they were doing?
Like what were they upset with?
>> Um I I think it was both.
>> Okay.
>> It was just that those were the things
that were easier to prove. Um, and
again, I'm not saying there were not
periods where maybe the Roman Catholic
Church or the Puritans in New England
didn't get hysterical and start
persecuting people who were wrongly
accused. I'm sure that that happened.
But another thing that happened during
the witch trials that we never talk
about is that at least 20% of the people
who were burned or drowned as witches
were men.
>> So plenty of men got accused of
witchcraft as well. And I think it was a
time where you do have some political uh
things complicating matters. The church
is trying to, you know, keep power and
maintain power. That's true. But it was
the belief at the time that if you had
somebody who was doing these things that
maybe the wrath of God and his judgment
is going to come upon you and your
people. If there's somebody in the town
performing abortions on a regular basis,
we need to get rid of that. Um, so from
the perspective of the church, these
were things that, you know, were
illegal. They were crimes and they
needed to be punished. Um, but yes, if
you want to if you want to think of it
this way, they had legitimate reasons
for wanting to persecute witches. And
then, you know, at times it probably did
get out of control and there were
probably a lot of people who were
falsely accused and it did become a
vehicle for people to make false
accusations. But the idea that there was
no basis for it whatsoever and this
common trope that you hear now that oh
the witch trials were just awful
patriarchal men who didn't like women
who had their own brains and their own
thoughts and so if you tried to speak up
about an injustice, they would burn you
as a witch. That's historically not
accurate at all. Yeah.
>> In reality, they were providing
abortions and poisoning people and
people were
>> concerned that that would spread.
>> Yes. Exactly.
>> Yeah. You never hear that. So that would
make more sense. I I was always confused
>> watching like the Salem witch trial like
plays or like movies about that. I was
like, what was going on here? Like were
people just crazy? But
>> I mean seems like part of the history
was left out.
>> Yes. A big part a big important piece
was left out and that happens all the
time. That's I'm a super huge history
buff. I always have been. And it's
because
almost any time that you have a super
dominant historical narrative, if you go
back and look, there are things that
will challenge it. There are
counternarratives and um it's really
tough to find exactly what the truth is
because it kind of does depend on who's
telling it. And they say that uh you
know, history is written by the victors
and it's rewritten all the time. And I'm
sure we'll talk about that with feminism
and you know we can talk about college
textbooks and what they've done there.
But yeah, if you go if you go back you
can almost always find a
counternarrative and it takes some
sifting through and some thinking about
what was going on at the time looking at
the people involved um and who stood to
gain from what to kind of form a picture
of what's maybe more accurate. But
there's a lot of history that we'll
never fully know exactly what happened.
As we get later into feminist history,
I'd say from the 1700s on, because there
was no telecommunications yet until, you
know, the early 20th century, we have
extensive written documentation. So I do
feel really really confident that
everything from you know 1700 to the mid
20th century we really know what was
going on because the primary way that
suffragists and feminists communicated
their message talked to each other um
that's all written. They wrote each
other letters they wrote pamphlets. They
um delivered speeches. They debated
publicly. Actually a lot of people think
women were never allowed to speak. They
weren't Rachel. you're on a podcast
right now speaking and you couldn't do
that if it wasn't for feminism. That's
not true at all. Um women were in the
1700s publicly speaking and giving
speeches and um you know making a living
touring talking about these things.
>> I do want to connect the Protestant
Reformation and how it paved the way for
the rise of feminism. But first uh I'm
not sure if you've seen this stat. It
was in 2002 only 30% of American women
identified as feminist and by 2020 that
has doubled and among Gen Z women 68% of
them identify as feminist.
>> And at the same time the fastest growing
religion among Gen Z women in America
isn't Christianity and it isn't atheism,
it's witchcraft.
>> Yes. Do you think the rise of feminism
and the rise of witchcraft is a
coincidence or do you think they're the
same movement?
>> I definitely think they're the same
movement. So that's why in the book I
take a lot of time to show the
historical thread from ancient times
through medieval times all the way till
now. Um, and of course I'm not going to
make it a a 5,000page book where I'm I'm
covering every single century of
history. I just kind of weave some
important moments together through the
ages to kind of show there's it started
as a spiritual battle. It's still a
spiritual battle. Um and then the
politics gets weaved in of course. So
Susanna Budapest who is a
Czechoslovakian witch, she was uh an
immigrant here uh in the 60s. I think
she I think she actually came during
World War II because she was escaping
some of the stuff that was going on in
Eastern Europe at the time. She was the
first to get witchcraft laws overturned
in the United States in California where
she lived under religious freedom
clauses. And she herself, who is still
around, she I believe she's still
around. She was around during Trump's
last term um leading spellcasting
rituals against Trump with all the her
witches that are on Facebook and Tik Tok
who follow her. Uh she's a much older
lady now, but she's still practicing
witchcraft and you know cursing Donald
Trump with her
>> like a 13,000 member Facebook group I
believe. Like it was like a lot of
people and they did it against Brett
Kavanaaugh too I believe. Yeah.
>> Um
>> what were they trying to accomplish?
Just give him bad luck. Yes. Okay. To
prevent them from coming to power,
prevent them from getting, you know,
their agenda passed because of course
from their perspective, Donald Trump's
going to enslave all the women and Brett
Kavanaaugh is going to enslave all the
it's going to be the handmaid's tale,
right? That's what they think. So, um,
this woman said that uh, feminism is
just the political arm of a spiritual
battle. That's according to a witch
herself. She says this is a spiritual
battle and feminism is just that
political arm to help us with the
political power aspect that we need to
have the freedom to do things like
practice witchcraft. Abortion, that's a
big one. When Row versus Wade was
overturned a few years ago and it went
back to the states, there were multiple
organizations including Native American
organizations, uh, the Satanic Temple,
and multiple um, Wikah and witchcraft
covens who contested the the changing of
the laws because they said abortion is a
ritual sacrament for them and should be
protected under religious freedom laws.
So, I'm This is not Rachel. People, you
know, off the off the bat when they see
me and they hear me start talking, they
go, "Oh, she's one of those crazy
Christians that thinks everything's the
devil." Like, I'm Bobby Buché's mother
and the water boy, and I think
everything's the devil. No, I'm telling
you, they're the ones who tell me
witchcraft is a spiritual battle for
feminism, for for women's freedom, for
revenge against the patriarchy.
>> You're saying that the church, it's a
church of Satan?
>> Yeah.
>> Is suing the state of Texas?
>> Yes, they did. They they contested the
change in the abortion laws
>> like the heartbeat bill. Yes.
>> Because they see abortion as a ritual
sacrifice, so it's necessary to their
church.
>> Yes. Exactly. And if you go on Tik Tok
and you search the hashtag witch talk,
you can find dozens of female creators
on Tik Tok who will show you how to uh
make a ritual out of your abortion.
They'll show you how to make an altar,
how to you use the tissues that are
removed from you in a ritual magic
spell, um, and ritualize your abortion
to give you power, to give you things
that you want in life. Like this is
people think this is Rachel being crazy.
It's really not. There, like you said,
witchcraft is the fastest growing
religion, especially among Gen Z women
in America. And they do mostly identify
as feminists. and they do think that
from a spiritual perspective these
things are empowering. So that the
reason I have an argument that is
original to me when I debate people on
abortion and this will show you
that what I'm saying is true and that
this is how they actually feel because
in the '9s you you probably don't
remember cuz you're very young but Bill
Clinton would say abortion should be
safe, legal, and rare. Right? That was
the progressive stance in the '9s. Now
we have switched to my body, my choice,
abortion on demand, you are not allowed
to put any restrictions on it, no
uterus, no opinion. And what what this
kind of proves when I when I put forth
this argument, it goes like this. Uh
I'll ask a woman if she thinks abortion
should be legal. She'll say yes. And I
say all the way up until birth. And
sometimes they'll say yes. Sometimes
they'll say, "Well, I would cut it off
here. I would cut it off there." And I
say, "What about this?" A woman goes in
to get an abortion at 8 weeks. And the
abortion doctor says, "Good news. We
have new technology. We have artificial
wombs. We've just created artificial
wombs that are successful. And you don't
have to kill this fetus. You can have it
implanted into an artificial womb and
you won't have any legal obligation to
it. You won't have any moral obligation
to it. It's just going to be a simple
laparoscopic procedure. No more risk
than an abortion. And uh you know the
only difference is rather than killing
it and removing it, we're just going to
remove it alive and let it justate and
and fully grow and be born.
I say if there was such an option as
this available, would you then still be
in favor of abortion? And I've not once
had a woman say no. every single time
they say, "I still think she should be
able to choose to kill the fetus."
>> And then I ask why, and they don't
really know. And they're hesitant. It's
like they know. They know I've kind of
caught them in a trap. They know it
doesn't sound good to people that they
just said that, but really what they're
saying is
women need power. And one of our
greatest powers that we have is to
decide who gets to live and who gets to
die.
that this is like a deeply held ancient
power struggle and that women need the
power to decide which men get to have
babies and which men don't for any
reason at any time. So, it kind of it
kind of just gives the game away a
little bit psychologically that even if
they don't mean to phrase it that way or
even if they don't mean to put it that
way, something deep in their brain is
telling them, I need the power to decide
who gets to be born.
And uh that's like a very very ancient
concept that is and it's it is a holy
sacrifice type of a thing within
witchcraft.
>> The people who pushed for abortion
saw it as ritual sacrifice.
>> Yes.
>> And what does that mean exactly? Like
what was that sacrifice that they're
doing? Like what is that based off of?
Well, it is based off of these ancient
esoteric belief systems and it is based
off of like this inherent need for women
to have power. We we not having the
power on force, you know, having half of
the planet be physically weaker and
smaller than the other half of the
planet. Um,
if you take this view that that means
you're in danger, that you're going to
be oppressed, that men can't be trusted,
they have too much power, which is, you
know, that's that's something that's
always stated as if it's a fact, and
it's probably the thing I have to battle
against the most, this inherent idea
that men are just waiting to do bad
things to women. like uh I've been on
the Whatever podcast numerous times and
every time I'm on with a panel of young
women, I always ask uh if they could get
away with it, how many men do you think
would sexually assault you? Like if if a
if men could get away with it, what
percentage of men in America do you
think would be out there sexually
assaulting women whenever they felt like
it if they knew they could get away with
it? And I've gotten answers like 50%,
80%, 100%.
there's this like this uh thing
programmed into us and it it comes from
an understandable place. When you are
the smaller, weaker sex physically, it
makes sense to be nervous about that, to
be worried about that. But in order to
believe that all men are inherently, you
know, violent and wanting to do
something bad to you, you have to
believe that throughout all of history,
men didn't want to protect their wives
or their mothers or their daughters or
their sisters. that men haven't fought
entire wars in order to protect the
women of their nation or their people
group. Uh, and that kind of that goes
against logic as well, right? But we
don't think about that because we're in
modern times and we don't think about
the barbarians at the gates trying to
come in and and steal all the women and
take them off to be war brides. And that
was historically a big problem and a
major concern. So there is something
baked into men that hey this woman is
producing my offspring. I need to
protect her. I love her. I want to take
care of her. I want to protect and
provide for her. So we forget that
that's the primary thing that's baked
into men. Not this inherent desire to be
destructive and violent and and hurtful
towards women. But what feminism has
done because it was deeply unpopular
when it began
and women didn't like it. Susan B.
Anthony and Elizabeth Katy Stanton both
write extensively in their memoirs about
terrible women like me who didn't think
feminism was going to be good for them.
Uh and they wrote that these women
already have pretty much everything they
want and they do feel they're privileged
in society. They can work a job if they
want to. And this this is the myths that
people believe. They think women
couldn't do anything. They couldn't own
anything. They were just slaves. Um, and
that's because of pop culture stuff. But
if you read the writings of suffragists,
they say, you know, the first some of
the first universities in this country
were women's seminaries and women's
higher education colleges,
>> right?
>> Women have enjoyed higher literacy rates
in most places for a lot of American
history. Uh, they have a lot of laws in
place to protect them, to protect their
assets when they enter into marriage.
like New York for instance had a law
that uh if a woman came into a marriage
with money or land or an inheritance
that uh her husband could not sell it or
do anything with it unless he could
prove to a judge that she uh authorized
him to do that and that she was not
compelled. So the judge had to not only,
you know, hear the man say, "Yes, she
said I can sell this land." He would
have to talk to the woman and say,
"You're not being compelled. You're not
being forced. You know, you're not
being, you know, you don't feel like
you're being made to do this. This is
your own valition that you want to sell
this asset." And she would have to say
yes. And women were afraid they would
lose these privileges. They were afraid
that they would be by being made equal
with men, we would have all these
responsibilities on us that really
aren't for us. Um and so in order to
sell it to a b to women who didn't want
it, I think um the Massachusetts
referendum only 4% of women who could
even vote on whether they wanted the
vote came out and said they wanted it.
So it was really really unpopular. For
like the first 75 years of the movement,
it was deeply unpopular with women and
had more support from men.
>> They had to ban women from voting as
well on whether or not they could vote.
Right.
>> Yes. So, there were multiple suffrage
groups. Um, and the two biggest ones
>> stopped women from being able to vote on
whether they wanted the vote because it
was they were just getting clobbered in
every state that they had a referendum.
It was just voted down unanimously by
women. And they said, "Look, we we just
can't let women vote on whether they
want to vote anymore because it's not
going well for us." Which I think is
really funny. Um, and people people
learn that and they're like, "Whoa,
that's crazy. I can't believe that. Um,
but it's true. Um, it did gain
popularity and by about 1920 it was a
small majority of women who did support
it. But you have to remember this is a
campaign that started in the 1840s. So
it took them about 80 85 years of
propaganda and massive amounts of money
pushing feminism
and World War I and the effects of World
War I um to get women on board with
this. They really didn't want it. So,
this is where a lot of the myths about
men being evil and violent and bad and
and you have to watch out because
they're just waiting to hurt you and
abuse you. That's where a lot of this
comes from is needing a way to get women
on board. And you might wonder like why
why, you know, why would they want to
push this so much? Who would want to
push it? And a lot of the early support
for feminism came from socialists and
communists
aside from the occultists as well um who
didn't like Christianity and saw it as
this patriarchal oppressive archaic
religion. Um socialists and progressive
area industrialists. So we're talking
about like these big families, the
Rockefellers, the Carnegies, um the
Vanderbilts.
They wanted a progressive era batch of
reforms. this whole big agenda that that
they succeeded in and that we're living
under now where you would have an income
tax, you would have a central banking
system, the Federal Reserve Act, you
would have compulsory education system.
So now the state is in charge of
educating the children and uh they
needed numbers for that to get that
passed. Um they also wanted things like
welfare, massive welfare programs. um
they wanted open borders because these
are the people who need you know
low-wage workers for their factories and
to expand factories and to build
railroads. So a great way to accomplish
this is you get women voting and they
know that women are going to vote for
safety and security over you know
freedom and liberty. They know that
women are going to you can weaponize
maternal instinct to you know pass
welfare reforms to uh get all these
things passed. You could never get the
progressive era agenda passed without
women's votes. So those were the people
who primarily financed uh pushing
through the 19th. Women didn't want it.
It came from socialist men basically.
>> Who was the first woman to run for
president in the US?
>> That was Victoria Woodhull. Uh she was
nicknamed by the press Mrs. Satan at the
time and uh she was a pretty dubious
figure. Um she's one of the uh feminist
characters that I don't think you're
going to hear a lot about if you go to a
gender studies program because she makes
the movement look pretty bad. Uh she was
raised by uh her father who was a
criminal and she and her sister were
raised uh learning how to kind of scam
people. They were snake oil salesmen. So
they sold fake cancer cures to sick
people. Um they did tarot card readings,
uh fortunetelling, things like that. And
they actually had um criminal warrants
out for their arrest in multiple states.
So they were always moving around a lot.
And she was an early proponent. Now
we're talking 1860s, 1870s.
And Victoria Woodhull was very outspoken
about wanting to legalize sex work,
prostitution. Um, she called she was the
first to call marriage prostitution by
another name, which later feminists like
Andrea Dwarkin, um, and other radicals
of like the ' 60s and '7s picked that up
and ran with it. Um, saying that, you
know, being married is just like being a
prostitute. It's just that, you know,
you're getting you're getting room and
board instead of cash, you know,
basically. Um, and she wanted no fault
divorce or some form of like just like
legal civil marriage rather than this
religious sacrament stuff. Uh, and she
had some really wildly progressive views
for her day. And she was the first to
publish the Communist Manifesto in
English in the United States and widely
distribute it. Now, the way she got the
money to do that, the way she got the
money to open her own printing press and
publish the Communist Manifesto is she
said she was told in a vision, in a
dream by an ancient Roman ghost that she
needed to go to New York and find
Cornelius Vanderbilt and make friends
with him. So, she did that. She went to
New York and had nothing to do with her
running from the cops in four different
states that all had warrants for her
arrest, I'm sure. Um but she went to New
York and found Cornelius Vanderbilt and
she got into a network of um prostitutes
in New York who their John's were mostly
like famous Wall Street guys, rich
traders on Wall Street and she knew kind
of the prostitutes that they frequented
and she would uh make friends with them,
give them money, help them with things
in exchange for uh intelligence, in
exchange for um spying on these Rich
Wall Street guys. And she went to
Vanderbilt and said, "Look, I can kind
of help you with some of your
investments because I'm getting insider
information from this prostitution ring
that I'm a part of." Now, she also said
that she was doing uh mediumship and
fortuneelling for him. Now, whether he
believed in that or not, I couldn't tell
you. But they gamed in the first big
crash in the 1880s, and Vanderbilt made
a fortune. I think 26 million in today's
money. It was a huge amount. Everybody
else lost their butt and he came out
like a bandit. And so the New York Times
interviewed him and they were like, "How
did you manage this?" Very interesting.
I'm sure there was a lot of eyeballs on
him and a lot of suspicion. So the New
York Times wanted to interview him.
How'd you do this? And he said, "Do as I
do and consult the spirits." Mhm.
>> So he said that this fortune-telling
woman, you know, told him what moves to
make so that he uh made this massive
fortune in the crash, but really it was
that she was getting insider trading
information from a prostitution ring. So
either way you look at it, whether you
believe that he or Victoria believed
these spiritual things, maybe they did,
maybe they didn't. I don't know for
sure. I have I think they did at least
to some extent because spiritualism was
really popular at this time in America.
But I think they also knew it was a
really good way to cover this kind of
activity. Um, and so she took the
Cornelius Vanderbilt gave her a big
chunk of money from that deal and that's
what she used to open Wood Hole and
Claflin's Weekly um her publishing
company and the first femaleowned uh
stock market trading company. I know you
had uh a big focus of your research was
kind of opening up the feminist
movement, but did you look into
Vanderbilt and see anything interesting
about him?
>> Uh there's a bunch of interesting things
about a lot of the Vanderbilts. Yeah. Um
so like uh Alva Vanderbilt Belmont was
another big funer of um suffrage and at
this time with these gilded era
progressives um this is like new money.
This is a time where industrialists are
becoming some of the richest people in
the world for the first time rather than
people like monarchs or or people who
had come from old money you know like
Rothschild banking dynasties or um you
know British royal family owning most of
the real estate in the world. This is
the first time in history that um you
know regular people could become
captains of industry and get into this
circle. And the Vanderbilts did have
connections with Rothschild Banking. Um
Alva Vanderbilt Belmont's first husband
was one of those. Uh she got a divorce
from him. So this this idea that you
could never get a divorce
before no fault divorce is wrong. Plenty
of divorces were granted. In fact, I
think I just I was just doing some
research on that and I think uh at the
turn of the century, there was tens of
thousands of divorces being granted
already every year. So you just had to
have a reason. You couldn't just go and
say, "Ah, I'm not feeling it anymore,
and the neighbor makes me feel sexy, so
I'm leaving." You had to you had to, you
know, say um that there was either like
uh abuse, abandonment, addiction, some
some kind of serious enough issue to
grant a divorce. But she she was one of
the first women in America to become
extremely wealthy from divorce by
divorcing her first husband. And then
her second husband um was a Belmont who
was also another wealthy person
connected with the Vanderbilts and the
Rothschilds. These these are people that
all kind of run together in the same
circles. And then he died so she
inherited his wealth too. So she became
one of the wealthiest women in the world
and was one of the primary funders of
suffragists. So like if you ever hear
about the suffragists who did the like
activism like they would bomb post
offices, they would smash windows on
storefronts, they would go on hunger
strikes and things like that. She was
one of the people who would finance that
terrorism and when those people got
arrested, bail them out so that they
could continue doing that activity. So
when you see organizations like Antifa
doing that now and they have these
wealthy benefactors that bail them out
and fund these things, that's been going
on forever. And that was a big a big
factor in getting suffrage passed was
these acts of terrorism that would make
it to the newspapers. You'd create
sympathetic characters out of the women
and say they were going on hunger
strikes in prison and being force-fed
and things like that. And she was a very
smart woman who knew how to publicize
that. She bought a lot of headquarters
for suffragists and things like that,
too.
Yeah, I mean a lot of these elite
families, if you look into them, they're
into all kinds of suspicious activity
and they do tend to be the primary
drivers of social engineering. The
Rockefeller family. Um and and what
happened is in the 20th century those
wealthy families funded NOS,
non-governmental organizations like the
Ford Foundation, the Rockefeller
Foundation, uh the Carnegie Vanderbilt
Endowment, like these uh and there's
tons of them now. And arguably those are
the institutions that really run things.
If you want to if you want to look at
who's really in power in America, the
NOS's have a tremendous amount of
influence. They decide who gets
professorships at universities, who gets
funding for research, what departments
at what universities get funding for
research. They fund all the major
political packs for political campaigns.
So even back then at at the turn of the
century, these were the people who had
the power and the money to get these
agendas passed. It was not a grassroots
movement. And if people don't take
anything else from this podcast, I want
them to know that feminism was not this
grassroots ground swell where women
looked around and said, "Oh my gosh, we
are oppressed. Our our living situation
is intolerable. We have drunk, abusive
husbands. We are not allowed to do
anything or have anything or be anyone.
We are subhuman and we are oppressed and
we've got to do something about it. We
need voting rights. We need political
equality." That is not what happened at
all. Women didn't like it. They didn't
want it. And it was forced from the top
down by wealthy progressive era
industrialists who wanted sweeping
social reforms. They wanted to
completely change the way society
worked. Simone devouis who was the
primary like feminist intellectual of
second wave actually said this herself
in an interview with Betty Friedan in
the 70s. She said, "I don't think any
woman should be authorized to stay at
home. I don't think society should be
run that way at all because if there is
such a choice, too many women will
choose that one. So she I mean she kind
of gave the game away and said we want
to create a society in which women have
to work.
>> And so now people say but Rachel uh most
women have to work. We we can't stay
home with our kids. And I say do you
ever think about why that is? Do you
ever wonder how it how we got into that
situation? because it wasn't like that
at any other point through all of human
history. And we had wars, we had
economic collapse, we had famine, we had
much worse times than now. And even
through those times, uh, you know,
granted things were structured
differently prior to the industrial
revolution, but even post-industrial
revolution, after World War I, after
World War II, yes, sometimes the women
went into a factory to help make bullets
and bombs, and then they went back home.
We never had this fundamental
transformation of the economy where now
you need both parents working and that
was by design and that was on purpose
and Simone de Bouvois gave it away. She
said we we want to re-engineer society
in such a way that you don't have the
choice to stay home. So when feminists
tell you feminism is about choice
that's a lie. Maybe maybe some of them
wanted it to be about choice. Maybe the
ones who have good intentions want it to
be that way. But what feminism has done
is it has taken away women's choices.
Now, if you want to stay home with your
kids, good luck. It's rough. You're you
either have to have a wealthy husband or
you have to figure out how can I have a
side gig or a side job and make some
money on the sides just so that we can
get by so I can spend more time with the
kids. And that's what happened to me.
You know, I there was lots of points
where I was forced to figure out a way
to try to make some money on the side,
but also wanted to be at home
homeschooling my kids. So
ask the average woman if she feels like
she has more choices now or if it's just
you got to work.
>> You said the feminist movement is not a
grassroots movement and implied that it
was really a movement to get women
working.
>> Yeah.
>> Because that doubles the labor force.
Would you theorize that maybe the civil
rights movement wasn't a grassroots
movement as well?
>> Oh, definitely. Uh there's a guy
>> was that in an effort to get people of
color to work maybe.
>> Uh there was a bunch of reasons for
that. So um Chad O Jackson is a guy who
um I I hope he's still doing stuff on
YouTube. He was a couple years ago and
he he's kind of the same counterpart to
the civil rights movement as what I am
to the feminist movement. He's a black
man who went back and researched the
whole civil rights movement and found
the same thing I found that this was not
a grassroots thing that came from black
people as a whole. that it was very
astrourfed, very top-down funded. Uh a
lot of intelligence agencies uh involved
in that sort of thing. Um and it's so
it's it is very similar. Almost all of
the big social revolutions are not
grassroots. even even the American
Revolution, even the French Revolution,
if you go back and and really examine
how those things started, why they
became, you know, popular, how how those
things took place. And it's the same
thing with, I don't know if you remember
back in the 2000s, Occupy Wall Street,
that was not grassroots. It was
portrayed on television like it was, but
it was not grassroots. It was a
corporatefunded, NGO funded initiative.
And so powerful people understand that
they can use political power, money and
influence to engineer society how they
want it. And um what was done through
both feminism and the civil rights act
is uh institutional capture. So what
will happen is like I explained you get
wealthy people that start a foundation.
The foundation gets all this tax-free
money. you get other big um wealthy
people and families that donate to yours
and you donate to theirs. A ton of money
gets thrown into this pile and what you
do is you vet people um who you think
can push your agenda and you place them
in powerful positions in different
institutions and that's how you capture
the institution. For example, Gloria
Steinum was uh sought out. She was she
was scouted and chosen from Smith
College in the '60s and she was already,
you know, into feminist ideology. She
was already writing about it. And
what'll happen is um these wealthy
people from the foundations are watching
to see like who's writing their, you
know, PhD thesis on this, who's writing
a master's on this, and they're kind of
pushing the messaging we want. we're
gonna offer that person a scholarship.
So, uh, Steinum was offered a Chester
Bulls fellowship, which never existed
and no one else has ever been given one
since. They they created it and it was
basically a legal way to give her a
bunch of cash and say, "We will support
you and fund you if you work for us and
we're going to send you places and we're
going to have you push this message
where we want it pushed." And I'm sure
to someone with that belief, it sounds
great. So, they say, "Sure." So the Ford
Foundation
immediately after uh Steinum graduated
sent her to India. She received a bunch
of training there. Um she immediately
gets
>> What kind of training?
>> Like a social engineering type of
training where you're learning how to
push these cultural revolutions in
different societies in different
atmospheres. Um how to be a good
propagandist. So, uh, they sent her to
Eastern Europe and they'd have her go to
youth festivals and push feminist
messaging. She'd get up on a stage and
give a speech. She would talk to media
in the area and give interviews, things
like that. They even had her go
undercover at the Playboy Mansion as a
Playboy Bunny and then infamously write
articles about how this was misogyny and
and you know, uh, why we need feminism
to combat these sort of things. And then
they start Miz Magazine with her. So
it's
it's actually very simple and it kind of
circumvents the whole political process.
So we think that in America we vote on
who we want to run this country and that
those people go to Washington and they
pass the laws that the people want. And
in reality um ever since we've had
universal suffrage, that is not how it
works. And that's by design. Again, if
you want to know why progressive era
industrialists were pushing feminism,
it's because they know we get all the
women into universities, right? And then
they can be radicalized. We can teach
them the history that we want. We can
teach them the agenda that we want and
they become very good soldiers. Women
are very protective. It's our maternal
nature. We want to make sure everyone
gets something to eat. We want to make
sure everyone has a roof over their head
and that people are safe and that things
are fair. And the Marxists knew this.
Um, like August Babel and Vladimir
Lenon, a lot of the Eastern socialists
who were the pioneers of the Marxist
revolution, they would openly write
about how we need to get young women
into university because if you get young
women into university, you can very
effectively radicalize them and they
will do almost anything for the cause.
The cause becomes their child and they
will die for the the cause like they
would die for the child. So this is why
in Bolevik Russia, you had female
assassins, you had female agitators in
public um you know attacking police,
attacking the white Russians, the
anybody who worked for the you know
they're trying to shoot people. They're
bombing places much like right now you
see people like Renee Good. You see
women out in the streets of Minneapolis
fighting ICE agents, calling them
horrible names, accusing them of
terrible things. Um cuz they think
they're protecting this unprotected
victimized class of people because
they've been radicalized in universities
to believe that, you know, there's this
white oppressive class of men and that
everybody else is to varying degrees
oppressed by those people. And so the pe
the white man in power with the badge is
bad. and and the immigrant, the brown
immigrant guy, even if we're arresting
him for child sex crimes, he's the
victim that needs to be protected.
>> Why do you think women are easier to
radicalize than men? Or I guess with
propaganda specifically, like what kinds
of propaganda
are used toward women versus men? uh
Marxist propaganda is I they they openly
said like if you go back and read early
Marxist writings um from the people who
pioneered and pushed the propaganda they
knew this about women and they said the
reason for this is uh women are much
more easy to capture emotionally. Men
have to go out into the world and
provide value. They have to work and
produce something to be valued by
society. They have a more logical nature
to them. They're a little bit less
receptive to emotional pushes. Not that
men aren't. You can definitely
propagandize men as well, but they
actually did a lot of uh research and
study on this in the 19th century of how
to propagandize people. Uh people like
Edward Bernay, if you've ever heard of
him, the like the father of marketing.
Um they actually studied like how people
respond to marketing and to propaganda
and to different ads and things like
that. um and found that because women
have this maternal nature um you know
imagine like a litter of puppies. Men
will see a litter of puppies and go oh
it's cute but if you know uh one of them
is like you know
one of them's paralyzed or something and
it can't move you should probably
mercifully kill it or something like
that. Whereas the wi the woman will cry
and she'll try to save it and she you
know women are just much more maternal
and we feel this innate drive to protect
anything weak anything uh helpless
and that's good when you're a mother.
You want that. You want women who are
willing to sacrifice anything to produce
the next next generation. If we didn't
have that, human beings wouldn't exist.
I mean, imagine what it takes to go
through a 9-month pregnancy, a painful
child birth, uh several months of
recovering after childirth, and then
you're nursing an infant for 2 years,
and and you can practically do nothing
else because they're just stuck to you
all day. Uh you have to have that innate
maternal nature that that makes you feel
like I will sacrifice almost anything to
protect this precious innocent thing
that can't protect itself. So if you
take that instinct a woman has and you
weaponize it and you say these people
are oppressors, they are violent, they
are bad, they're trying to hurt the the
the out group, they're trying to hurt
the weaker groups, they're trying to uh
you know do evil things to those who
can't protect themselves. Women feel
very very compelled to do something
about that and to the point that they're
willing to sacrifice their lives. And so
it's a weaponization of maternal
instinct. And the Marxists figured this
out 150 years ago. And what that was one
of the big reasons they wanted to push
women into education. They started
giving all these scholarships, free
college for women, all these
scholarships for women, which now women
hold 60% of college debt in this nation,
by the way. So women are starting off 22
years old with a college degree and an
average of $45,000 in debt, which is
already going to put you in a position
where you don't feel like you should
start a family. So by sending all the
women to college, you can radicalize
them. You can get them into the
workforce. They'll protect their jobs.
They'll protect the corporation. They
will uh protect the order that sustains
all these things. uh you tell them that
staying home is oppressive, that that it
makes them vulnerable and at risk for
abuse, and that the only way is to, you
know, go to college, have your own
money, and and make money for the
corporation and pay taxes like a good
citizen. And this is something that
worked really well. Socialists knew that
they needed numbers. You don't have
socialism or communism without numbers.
That's literally the whole basis of it,
right? Workers of the world unite. Well,
half the world wasn't working outside
the home, so you only had men. And men
understand hierarchy. Men work within
hierarchies. If you get a group of guys
in a room, there's a pecking order right
away. And if a group of men feels like a
weak man is a threat, they will usually
like bully him, ostracize him, take care
of him in some way so that he's not a
threat to the group. Because men
inherently want to protect their people.
They want to protect their their tribe,
their group, their nation. So, socialism
was tough. It was tough to get men to
buy into it. Some of the men who were
more disaffected really liked the idea
of socialism. But anybody who was
successful at competing in the hierarchy
wasn't going to go for socialism.
Anybody who had more masculine instincts
and wanted a merit-based system wasn't
going to go for socialism or communism.
Ah, but we look at women, that's half
the population, and we tell them this is
the only way to make sure everybody has
enough. This is a way to make sure
everything is fair. This is a way to
help those who are weaker and more
oppressed and protect them. And sending
them to college and indoctrinating them
with this makes them great
revolutionaries and makes them die hards
for the cause. And that's what we see
now. We see a shift from in the 19th
century women in America being more
conservative than men, especially on
social issues. You had things like the
women's temperance union. You had uh
women women's political causes prior to
suffrage were things like uh clean water
and food. Um environmental protectionism
to the like not not the crazy stuff we
have now, not like the climate change
stuff, but it was like, "Hey, don't dump
all of your toxic chemicals into our
drinking water because our children are
dying and that's bad." Uh they were they
had a voice and they were well listened
to. They got um prohibition passed
without being able to vote. So women
definitely had a voice and they were
listened to because they had a moral
authority. They had a moral high ground
because they weren't just another
political voting block. But what you do
by infranchising them with a vote is now
in every single campaign that we've had
since 1920. It radically changed how
presidential and political campaigns
were carried out as well. This is why
every time we have a political cycle,
you see Democrats running ads like
Republicans want to take away your
grandma's Medicare. They want her to
die. and they show him pushing an old
woman in a wheelchair off a cliff. They
want to take away children's school
lunches. They want the children to not
be fed. They want to put kids in cages.
They want to, you know, it's it's always
this fear-mongering about what uh the
rightwing is going to do to the
vulnerable.
>> And women go for that. They they
overwhelmingly vote Democrat. And they
kind of you alluded to this earlier with
the civil rights movement. They do the
same thing with black people,
>> right? They convince black people that,
you know, Republicans are these evil
white racists who want to oppress you
and that Democrats are going to help
you. I remember after Obama got elected
and and you know, in the stadium where
he's doing his acceptance speech,
everyone's partying, it's this great
atmosphere, everybody's cheering. Oh my
gosh, it's the first black president.
This is amazing. It's going to change
everything. And they interviewed a lady
and they were like, "What are you
feeling right now?" And she was like, "I
ain't going to have to pay rent no more.
I'm not going to have to pay CAR
PAYMENTS NO MORE. I'm going to get free
food. She thought, I'm going to get free
stuff. Someone's going to take care of
me. I won't have to worry anymore.
Someone's going to provide for me. And
it's like, lady, you could have had a
husband this whole time who would have
done all of that. But now, what feminism
did was convince women that your husband
is a threat. He is dangerous. The
government loves you and the government
wants to take care of you. and it will
replace your dad and it will replace
your husband and it will provide for you
and it will protect you and it will make
things fair. And that's exactly what
we've gotten. There's an article on my
Substack that goes over the last 45
years of data from all of the reporting
agencies on things like spousal abuse
and child abuse and it shows that
actually feminism has made women far
more vulnerable to domestic violence and
especially children than ever before.
And it does so by removing the men in
women's lives who have the most vested
interest in their care and protection,
your dad and your husband.
Statistically, the safest place for a
woman is with her husband. And the
safest place for children is with their
both married parents, their biological
father. And anytime you break that up,
children are at more risk for abuse and
women are at greater risk for abuse. The
highest domestic violence rates are
among cohabitating women like you live
with your boyfriend or um in lesbian
relationships.
So um and and the article breaks down
how if men if husbands were the threat,
if if having a husband was the problem
and that's the thing that makes you
vulnerable to abuse, we should have
seen, you know, some change in the rates
going the other direction since no fault
divorce. Women don't have to stay in
marriages anymore. or they don't have to
get married anymore, they don't have to
rely on a man anymore. We should have
seen domestic violence rates drop off
for those groups and we should see more
abuse in the trapped in marriage groups.
And we don't. It's actually the
opposite. So women who are Christian and
they're married and they're married
young have the highest satisfaction
rates and the lowest domestic violence
rates. And it's actually the other way
around. when you live with your
boyfriend, you're at 40% higher risk
overall for some type of abuse or
violence.
>> So, the less people get married, the
more uh domestic violence essentially.
Uh there's like a correlation or high
correlation there. Um something I want
to ask about that was very interesting
that you noted was
>> like is it your belief that women were
more conservative than men at a certain
point in history?
>> Yes, definitely. And you can actually go
back and see this. Um, in the 19th
century, women were overwhelmingly more
conservative with than men were. They
were less likely to support um, you
know, some of the really progressive
social reforms. They were very pro-
marriage. They were very pro- family.
They felt like that was their sphere.
They felt like they had the most
influence and the most purpose there.
And um, they were very very much against
crime. They were like in favor of
stricter punishments for criminals. Um
things like that. They were against
things like welfare. They were against
things like um you know normalizing out
of wedlock births and stuff like that.
And I always say that uh we have
something I call the sisterhood. And
this is the collective hive mind of
women. And this is kind of how our
brains work. Um, back in the day before
feminism, when marriage was the order of
the day and patriarchy was the order of
the day throughout all of history, women
knew that men, this is before we had,
you know, paternity testing. Men want to
marry a woman that they know the child's
going to be theirs. To the extent that a
man can assure paternity, that's a good
thing for him and he's going to look for
that. And that's why chastity and
virginity were always a very highly
praised thing because it was the best
way to make sure that the kids you're
raising are your kids. And so women
would say to each other, "Look, ladies,
if a bunch of you are going off and
giving away the milk for free, nobody's
going to buy the cows, okay? If a bunch
of you are going off and having all this
sex and fornicating outside of marriage,
it, you know, all the guys go do that.
You know, they they go over there and do
that and and it ruins it kind of for all
of us. Whereas if we all kind of hold
out and say, "Ah, you don't get any of
that until you're married. If you want
that, you got to marry me. You got to
provide for me. You got to protect me."
That's how we get the best deal
collectively. Okay, ladies. So that's
why they would [ __ ] shaming was like the
historical norm, right?
>> Women were the worst [ __ ] shamers. Women
were the ones who looked down on
prostitution and thought, you know, they
wouldn't even look at prostitutes. If
they crossed them in the street, they'd
be like, "Gh, can't even look at her."
It was like this big shameful thing. and
women were the ones that policed that.
The sisterhood used to enforce chastity
because it protected all women and got
us the best deal in marriage. In a way,
just to put it bluntly,
>> it seems like women would really just
complain or like shame other women or
men on any kind of like uh moral degra
uh degradation behavior and that men
would be responsible for like
>> solving it, I guess.
A woman's like, "Hey, like you guys
really shouldn't be drinking all the
time. Like, uh, can we like make this
prohibition thing illegal?" But like,
why do you think like men I mean it
would have to make sense to me that men
are better at solving it and women are
better at identifying what the problems
are? Is that your view?
>> Yeah, I think that's a good way to put
it.
>> Yeah. And so what has happened since
feminism is now the sisterhood does the
opposite. Now, the sisterhood is like,
"Hey," and I get this all the time,
right? You're trying to take away
women's rights. We should be able to
party like men, and what what does it
matter if we have high body counts, and
why can't I ride the carousel all
through college and then wait until I'm
30 until I'm ready to settle down? Um,
don't you shame me for that, and don't
you, you know, fat shaming is bad, and
you you go, girl. You let her do what
she wants to do. Who are you to tell her
how she lives her life? So now the
sisterhood, if you're like a young lady
and you're a virgin and you want to
start a family instead of go to college,
your female friend circle will pressure
you not to do that. They'll pressure you
and say, "You're going to just not go to
college. You need to go to college.
You've got to have an education. You've
got to get a good job. And you got to
live a little. You got to experience
different men before you know what you
like. And you know, you have to have fun
and be young and have your hot girl
summer. Because if you just get married
to one guy and that's the only person
you ever sleep with, you're going to
regret that. You're going to re, you
know, you're going to look around at all
the other options and you're going to
have FOMO, uh, you're going to be afraid
that you're missing out. So now the
sisterhood does the opposite. Like every
single pop star, every single female
singer, Beyonce, Taylor Swift, Sabrina
Carpenter, Katy Perry, all of the
popular pop stars of the last 20, 30
years, Madonna would be like the first
big one, have encouraged women to be
empowered by promiscuity. Uh, you know,
it's cool to be promiscuous. Yeah, you
get notches on your belt just like the
guys. That's cool. you know, you you do
what you want and um you get out there
and experience life. You know, it's like
it's the opposite now. So now girls who
are virgins are shamed. Now girls who
are like, you know, I really just want
to become a mother, it's like ugh. Like
the amount of times I've been called a
baby factory or um you know, you never
did anything but pop out babies like
this denigration of motherhood. this ew
gross crotch goblins, you know, like the
the the condescending, disgusting names
they have for children and the way that
we talk about motherhood now. Uh oh, you
you're just mad because you were never
able to do anything with your life but
pop out kids. You know what I mean? It's
it's flipped so much,
>> right?
100 150 years ago, the woman in town who
got married at 20 and had seven children
and ran her household well and was
wellbehaved and not drunk and uh was
modest and sensible and um wise, the
wise matrons of society. Those were the
women that we used to hold up and rever.
Like I that's how I thought of my
grandma who's who's a hundred, right?
Like she really has it together. She is.
She's got good control of herself. She's
very measured in what she does. She's
very responsible. You can always count
on grandma. She's going to have it
handled. She's going to take care of her
responsibilities. If you need good
advice, she's there. Uh she's, you know,
my aunt passed away at a young age at 34
and left two little kids behind. My
grandma helped raise them. She was
completely dependable. It was like
having a solid rock of a person in your
life. And those were the women that we
used to really rever and look up to. And
now it's like, oh, she's boring and
she's just following the rules. She's
not a rebellious, wild, strong,
independent woman who does what she
wants. That's that's the thing we're
supposed to do now. It's empowering to
start an Only Fans at 18 and get your
bag, you know, even if you got to show
everybody, you know, the insides of your
body, uh, you get your bag and you get
fame and you get attention and that's
winning. Now, that's what we hold up as
winning for a woman.
>> As far as modern feminism goes in the
examples of celebrities, uh, do you
think Taylor Swift is practicing
witchcraft on stage? And do you think
Taylor Swift is doing spells and her
songs?
>> Yeah. Uh, that's a good question. Uh,
there's a lot of stuff like either her
concerts or some of the Super Bowl
performances like Beyonce had one
several years back that was there was
all this online stuff about the satanic
imagery and spellcrafting and things
like that. Maybe. Um, I don't know. I
tend to think it's more I tend to think
it's less that she is sitting there
planning a witchcraft ritual than it is
that uh the people who do marketing and
uh concert organizations at these really
high levels, they really know how to
harness crowd energy and how to
manipulate emotions and and make people
like diehard rabid fans. You know what I
mean? Whenever you've got a huge stadium
filled with people, um it is a, you
know, everybody's sharing energy. It's
like this big energy exchange where
emotions are heightened and things like
that. So even if it's not intentional,
it could in effect be accomplishing
something similar to that. If you've
ever like seen concert footage of the
Beatles or Michael Jackson and girls
just like sobbing and crying and
fainting, um people get really emotional
at these big concerts, especially if
it's somebody that they kind of idolize
and they've listened to all their music
for hundreds of hours. And um I think
that concert promoters know how to kind
of take all of that and harness it and
make like a an experience that leaves an
imprint on people and makes the
messaging and the marketing stronger.
Um, but would I say it's like out of the
realm of possibility for her or somebody
like her to be doing that? No,
definitely not. I mean, there was a lot
of manufactured music coming out in the
60s and 70s like the Beatles and the
Monkeys and stuff like that where things
were very like artificial and
astroturfed and not organic at all. Um,
and you know, there's a lot of insider
stuff that goes on in the music
industry. we kind of know some things
that went on with like Diddy and Diddy
parties and stuff like that. So, there's
definitely anytime there's a lot of
power and money at stake, there's going
to be people in those circles doing
those kinds of things. Even in politics,
you have people like um Marina
Abramovich who's kind of like she's an
artsy performer, but she also is
actually doing witchcraft. And so, it to
me I always say it doesn't matter if you
believe it. It matters if they believe
it. And it matters if the people
watching and participating are buying
into it and believing it. So whether
>> you believe it
>> um I believe that it has the effect.
Yes. So even if if you go to a Taylor
Swift concert, you don't have to believe
in witchcraft. You don't have to be
consciously participating in a an occult
ritual or something. If you're there and
you're totally bought in and you're
soaked up in the experience and you're
fully buying into whatever it is that's
going on, you could be unwittingly
participating in something like that.
Um, so I don't
>> Do you believe it actually has an effect
spiritually?
>> Yeah, definitely. I think I think one
thing that some of the occult religions
do kind of have an inherent
understanding of is that um human beings
are really powerful and our emotions are
really powerful and to some extent we
create the reality around us. We have an
effect right there's like a butterfly
effect. Um you and I doing this podcast
right now is probably going to change
the minds of people and maybe how they
perceive the world which changes the way
that they act or the decisions that they
make. So um mass media is an extremely
powerful tool for this and that's where
you get you know government projects
like MK Ultra studying the effect of uh
if we repeatedly send this messaging to
someone's brain or if we enhance it with
psychedelics or uh binaural beats or
different things uh even like sexual
activity. Can we change and manipulate
the human mind? Can we get people to
completely change you know what they're
thinking or how they feel about
something? maybe even change someone's
sexual orientation or their political
persuasion through these different
means. And yeah, mass media
communications is huge. I mean, just
look at the change in people since
social media.
>> You know, I I had the benefit of growing
up for 24 years of my life without any
internet. I did not have at home
internet or a phone that had internet
until I was 24. I grew up in like a
rural area, so it existed. I just didn't
have it till I was 24. And then now I've
spent the last 22 years of my life with
internet. Now I'm on it all the darn
time, more than I'd like to be. And the
effect it has on you is undeniable. And
it can be used for good and it can be
used for bad. I mean there's some ways
that I think the internet is a fantastic
amazing tool. You see things like the
rise of orthodoxy in America right now,
which we didn't have access to or barely
even know about because it was kind of
uh sectioned off into the east, you
know, and the Christian West was
dominated by Roman Catholicism and
Protestantism. And now because of the
internet, we have access to everything.
So a lot of people are converting. So
it's just But then on the other hand,
you've got Only Fans and you've got
dating apps and the damage that are done
by those things. It's everybody's kind
of looking at it going, "Oh, what do we
do about this?" Right? What do we do
about the fact that now a girl in rural
Ohio can get flown out to Dubai by a
rich guy and Lord knows what they're
doing? Um, and what effect does that
have on like her choosing a normal guy
to marry, things like that. So, um,
we're in an uncharted waters as far as
like the internet, social media, and
mass communication and the effect that
it has on people. But
>> people assume that MK Ultra
was only effective because it was like a
one-on-one thing maybe done in a lab.
But like would you guess based on like
what you know about propaganda that
something like that is actually more
effective if it's distributed among lots
and lots of people and everyone you're
interacting with has certain
>> belie that was actually the point of it.
So the point of the MK Ultra experiments
was not what can we do to one person in
a padded cell when we have total
control. It was isolate it and isolate
the variables to figure out what's most
effective, how these things affect
people and then apply it in mass to the
public. So you no longer need to have
subliminal messaging. you don't have to
um find one person and radicalize that
one person until they, you know,
assassinate a president for you or
something like that. You could see this
with the Charlie Kirk assassination. Um,
it could be very easy for a person who
is already mentally and emotionally
vulnerable to get radicalized into
something like transgenderism through
gaming culture, through Discord, through
online discourse with people that um,
actually no, those conservatives are
evil and bad and they're just trying to
do bad thing and you can radicalize a
person to get them to do crazy things
like try to assassinate Donald Trump,
try to assassinate Charlie Kirk and
there is So no longer a need to like
isolate a divi individual and target
them. You can kind of mass target
people. The majority of mass shooters
for the last like year have been
transgender people who were convinced
that they need to like take out this
evil conservative or these evil
Christians or somebody like that because
they're oppressing, you know,
transgenders. You know, Donald Trump is
going to, you know, put all the
transgender people in prison or
something. and they believe these really
radical things and um my husband and I
go on TikTok and kind of argue with some
of these really radicalized people about
it and the things they believe are are
would blow your mind. Like they they
believe the most insane things that
there's no evidence for. There's no
basis for and to them it's it's
religious dogma. You know, they think
that MAGA is there to create a
handmaid's tale or something like they
think that I just had a lady last night
on TikTok absolutely lose her mind on me
and call me every horrible name in the
book while also accusing me of being a
victim and being brainwashed. So, I
don't know how I can be the victim and
the oppressor at the same time, but I
guess I'm special. Um, but she just
truly believed that my purpose for being
here is to take things away from women,
to enslave them, and that I'm a traitor
to my sex, and that I want all women
subjugated, and I want them, you know,
under Christian Sharia law or something
like that. So, mass communication is
extremely effective. Everybody believed
the Russia gate stuff. Everybody
believed the COVID stuff. And then we
find out, oh, none of that was true. And
then we just move on like it never
happened. It's just like people just
forget about it. Things get memory holed
almost instantly now because of the
speed of the internet and uh the way the
information gets disseminated so fast.
It's really interesting and it's kind of
terrifying and now we're going to add AI
to that and it's like all bets are off
at this point. For people listening to
this interview who maybe have an idea
that feminism is literally satanic in
origins, uh you've claimed that the
religion, these people who like it's not
worshiping Lucifer, uh it's not
witchcraft, like it all stems from uh
this idea of narcissism.
>> Yeah.
>> Can you explain what that is and why
narcissism is the true religion of
feminists? Yeah, I think that there's
like gnostic roots to all of this. I
think there are definitely luciferian
actual luciferian roots too. Um, and
they kind of they have a lot of overlap.
So gnosticism is kind of this idea that
um this physical world is bad. Um, life
is suffering that you're trapped in this
fleshy mortal prison. And um from that a
lot of weird ideas come out of that like
anti-natalism, feminism, socialism, the
idea that like the way things are is
inherently bad and wrong and that we
must overcome all of that. And you see
that thread in a lot of feminist writing
like Alexandra Colintai in Russia wrote
extensively about how um once we conquer
capitalism and we have full true
communism the final frontier will be
biology overcoming our biology. Um
Margaret Fuller in America in the 1840s
was writing about gender as a spectrum
and that nobody's fully male or female
man or woman and that if we ever want to
achieve you know unity in the one which
is like this transcendental kind of
proto new age idea which is actually
very ancient. These always go back to
ancient beliefs, right? They always have
ancient roots.
>> Is that when people hear uh universal
consciousness?
>> Yes. Something. Yeah. Like universal
consciousness, Christ consciousness, all
of the new age stuff that we're supposed
to. It's like a monist belief that we
have to return to the one that
>> to the monad.
>> To the monad that we're all like we're
God and we forgot that we're God and we
have to remember and go back and like
that the divide between the sexes is one
of the things preventing peace. And you
this is another reason why you see
overlap with feminism and eotterrorism
especially in the 70s uh and goddess
worship being a big thing and the
witchcraft stuff being the next logical
spiritual place to go from feminism. In
the 70s we had lots of radical
feminists. Um these were the ones that
built gender studies in the universities
talking at length about how maleness is
inherently destructive and violent and
femaleness is inherently um productive
and peaceful and kind. That women are
like mother earth. We give birth, we
nurture, we're peaceful. I don't believe
any of that, by the way. Um, and that
men are only here to like eat other
animals, destroy things, cause war,
rape, destroy. Um, and that in the only
way to overcome that is you get rid of
sex and gender altogether and everybody
becomes like a non-binary blob. Um, you
reduce men's testosterone.
you put women in masculine activities
and and create more of a male
malemindedness
but retaining all of those mother earth
peaceful qualities supposedly. So the
gnostic stuff is kind of it's that
underlying idea and it's the same thing
with the luciferianism. So people don't
know this, but a lot of the feminists in
the 19th century actually openly
declared Lucifer as their liberator,
their um their god. And you don't have
to ask me, you can read a wonderful huge
PhD thesis by a guy named Perafaxeld who
is a um European scholar who himself is
a Satanist. I've actually talked to him
a little bit on Instagram because it's
kind of funny that we came to the same
conclusions about how things went. But
of course, me from a Christian
perspective and him from an actual
Luciferian perspective, he would see it
as good, I would see it as bad. But it's
interesting that we agree on how it went
down and and what really happened. So
Lucifer was the one who wanted to
liberate Eve in the garden. He was the
one that wanted her to be like a god.
And you know, don't obey God. the
father. Don't obey Adam, you know, go
your own way and do your own thing. Um,
and that's why they saw Lucifer as a
liberator. In fact, Elizabeth Katy
Stanton, best friend of Susan B.
Anthony, one of the one of the giants of
the suffrage movement, wrote a book
called The Woman's Bible in 1895 with 14
other feminists, some of whom were
female pastors. So, if you think that's
new, I hate to break it to you, but
that's also not new. There were openly
lesbian female pastors during the second
grade awakening in the 1800s. This is
how liberal the ethos was. And people
don't people don't know that. They think
that everybody must have been like
really conservative. But no, like the
feminist stuff was extremely
progressive. It was very socialist. It
was very very um very very progressive
for its time. So these were women who
started their own churches as open
lesbians and called themselves pastors
and they rewrote the Bible from a
feminist perspective. In the preface,
Elizabeth Katy Stanton, who most people
would assume was like a conservative
Christian lady from the 1800s, said that
she doesn't believe God ever spoke to
anyone. She doesn't believe the Bible
was divinely inspired. And if she could
get rid of the Bible and Christianity
alto together, wipe it from the face of
the earth, that would be the best thing.
>> But she said it's too influential. It's
the most widely published and most
influential book on the planet. It's
probably not going away. So the second
best thing we can do is subvert it is
subvert Christianity and and get people
to understand that Christianity was
designed to oppress women. It was
written by bad men who wanted to keep
their boot on the neck of women. And um
she also says in some of her memoirs
that we're never going to get women to
go along with this unless we can
convince them that, you know, men are
actually dangerous. You got to be
worried about, you know, your husband.
>> How did they rewrite it?
>> They literally went book by book um
through the Bible and gave their
commentary. That's why there was like 14
of them on the editorial board.
>> I guess the most important would be
Genesis. Do you remember what like what
was different about Genesis? Yes, they
kind of took everything away from um
like the curse of Eve and stuff like
that and and it's just their commentary
on it. So, they'll give you the passage
and then they'll say clearly this was
written by a man to convince women to be
ashamed of their natural station in life
and that um you know there's something
defective in women that causes them to
be weak. Which that's not the orthodox
um interpretation of Genesis at all.
Some of this stems from Protestant
misunderstanding of Genesis, at least
from my view, and my book talks a bit
about that.
>> Do you think narcissism is really the
most popular religion on earth and
people are worshiping it without
realizing it?
>> Um, I think parts ofnosticism would be.
Yes. Um,
>> like this idea that
>> Yeah. Does Satan believe the real God?
And
>> uh, and that like be your own like
there's like the girl boss part of it.
There's like uh just do whatever feels
right. There's like trust your
intuition, all these things. And it
seems like people really believe in
that.
>> Yes. Well, I think that was that's kind
of part of the liberal enlightenment
ethos. I think that gnosticism goes
really well with that. I think it's,
you know, no kings, right? liberty,
equality, fraternity, the uh kind of the
ethos of the revolutionary period where
we're overthrowing monarchies. We want
democracy and equality. Uh no, why
should we have all this authority? Why
do you get to have authority? Why do you
get to tell me what to do? And it's a
very American thing. Like it was
actually a struggle for me in a lot of
ways to write the book because it made
me confront a lot of those kind of
foundational Americanist beliefs that I
was raised with. Now the founding wasn't
exactly like that but it was a
revolutionary founding that we had this
idea that rugged individualism uh you
know liberty above everything else that
it should be the highest value that we
have and what I've come to realize is
that there has to be a balance with
things right authority isn't inherently
bad if it comes with the proper amount
of accountability um you need a balance
between response responsibility and
liberty. You need a balance between
duties and rights. And feminism
tends to go to the extremes because once
you start believing in some of it, your
whole worldview and the way you think
about everything changes. And I think
that's where you can get intonosticism.
And I think that that's where you get
not just gnosticism, but if you take the
liberty stuff to its end conclusion, you
end up with like lean satanism, which
says, "I am my own god. There is no
authority but me. do what thou wilt,
shall be the whole of the law, you know.
Um, do what you want as long as you're
not hurting anyone else. I just debated
a woman who claimed to be a conservative
who formerly worked for TPUSA and she
said that to me in the debate. And I
kept telling her, "You're not a
conservative. You're definitely a
classical liberal or a libertarian." And
she's like, "Yeah, I think people should
be able to do what they want as long as
they don't hurt anyone else." The only
conservative position she had was she
was against abortion, but she was progay
marriage. she was, you know, uh, pro, we
got to keep prostitution legal and, uh,
because it's free speech, these sort of
things. So, it's like
if you take some of these ideas to their
extreme, you end up with luciferianism.
You end up withnosticism. This idea that
I'm God, God's in me, why should I have
a boss? Who gets to tell me what to do?
Why should I follow orders? And that the
ultimate self-expression is to buck all
authority except yourself. But what you
end up with there um almost always every
time ends up destroying you. If you
think about a lot of these revolutionary
uh periods where you had these really
like revolutionary groups or
revolutionary cults that wanted to break
away and completely change society. I
write about a bunch of them in my book.
This was part and parcel of feminism too
in the 19th century. There were all
these breakaway utopian cults that were
socialist and almost all of them
experimented with like gender swapping
and extreme forms of feminism like
having the men raise the children while
the women tried to go grow crops and
things like this, having the women cut
their hair short and wear pants. Um, and
none of them lasted more than a handful
of years.
>> It just doesn't work. When you try to
take the natural order that I would say
God created and invert it, which is what
Satanism is, which is what Luciferianism
is, which is why feminists love
Luciferianism.
When you try to invert this the natural
order, you end up with no one's having
babies. Society doesn't work anymore.
Men and women hate each other. The
economy is collapsing. We, you know,
we're on the precipice of this massive
birth rate collapse. South Korea is at
0.7
children per woman. The average South
Korean person is not replacing
themselves. There's not going to be a
South Korea in a 100 years if something
doesn't drastically change. And and
almost every country is following suit.
And this is what no one wants to talk
about. It's deeply unpopular and I get
in trouble for saying it every time. But
the number one correlate worldwide
regardless of culture, religion,
financial status, to falling birth
rates, is women's access to higher
education and career. If you tell women
focus your whole life on education and
career and put family on the back
burner, if you even do it at all, you
don't replace yourself as a population.
And what happens then is first you have
to resort to mass immigration. You got
to take people from other countries
because you don't have enough labor. You
got labor shortages and you your supply
chain starts breaking down. We have
problems with that still with, you know,
supply chains ever since co they've
never totally recovered because nobody
has enough people. Nobody has enough
infrastructure building. Um
so you first you end up with mass
immigration. When you run out of other
people to borrow from other countries,
things just start collapsing. things
just start decaying. Things just stop
working. Roads aren't getting fixed.
Bridges aren't being repaired. Houses
aren't being built. We have a housing
crisis. They keep saying we need to
build homes. There's not enough
builders. Um it's you end up with and
it's going to get worse. That's why
you're seeing places like Japan and
Canada with euthanization programs where
they're offering incentives for people
to delete themselves because you're old
and we don't have enough young people to
take care of the old or the sick or
people with mental problems. So, we're
going to offer you an incentive to just
die,
>> right?
>> And you're going to end up with more and
more of that. So, we end up in this very
anti-natalist, antihuman
uh death cult
>> that we're in now where it's like having
children is gross and bad. Uh grandma's
no longer of use to anyone, so let's
just get rid of her. Oh, you have cancer
or depression? You should probably just
kill yourself. Um, when I say I think
it's great for women to be mothers and
have children, I get bashed and trashed
and shamed as trying to control women or
trying to force things on them. It
becomes very antihuman,
>> which is luciferian, right?
>> I want to ask there's
some theory called like uh what is it
dialectic something like that uh
>> and it's like thesis, antithesis and
then synthesis. So if you imagine well
there's two of these. So there's
feminism there's you're antithetical to
it. I'm curious what your view is that
could be the synthesis of like your
message like if everyone heard it like
what could be the synthesis. Like I
haven't really thought about that. And
then there's also like narcissism versus
orthodoxy or narcissism versus
Christianity maybe. And like where does
that end up? like everyone heard
>> uh about narcissism, let's say, because
that's uh like I'm just curious like the
effects of all these things from your
view. Like where's the middle ground?
>> Well, that's that's what this is, right?
Uh the reason we're here and the reason
I'm talking about this or writing books
at all is because everything is a battle
of world views. Essentially,
all that matters is what you believe.
Your worldview is you. That's what
shapes you. That's how you get up every
day and make decisions. That's how you
decide what you're going to do, where
you're going to go in life, where you're
going to direct your energy and your
talents to. Worldviews are the most
important thing. Um, and so
we've established what this feminist
worldview is and what it looks like, and
that it's the dominant thinking for
people, especially in the West,
certainly in America. Um, if you even
question it, you know, you get attacked.
Uh, and I'm out here with this
alternative messaging. And what I want
people to hear what what the alternative
messaging is is that
I didn't have a me when I was 20 years
old. When I was 20 years old and I
really felt pulled towards I want to be
a wife. I want to be like a good wife to
someone and have the family that got
like, you know, ripped away from me as a
kid. I want to fix that and rebuild it
in my own life and not do that same
mistake in my life. and I want to have
kids. I love having kids. I didn't know
I was going to love being a mom until I
was one, you know. Um, and then once I
was, I was like, this is the best thing
ever. Like, I can't imagine anything
that would ever be more important or
cooler than this. I love having this
whole new person helping them shape
their their life and their world, you
know, and uh having a bigger purpose
than me. I'm not getting up every day
just to like do stuff for myself. I'm
getting up every day because everything
I do matters. I'm someone's mom. I'm
someone's wife. I'm really important.
What I do each day affects all these
people around me. Everybody in my
community. Everyone at my church parish
is affected by what I get up and do
every day and the decisions that I make.
And it gave me purpose and it gave me
meaning and it helped me get through
some of the most unimaginable tragedies
that you'd ever have to go through in
life. So, I think that feminism tells
you the opposite of that. It tells you
all that matters is if you're happy. And
that happiness is the metric that tells
you if you're on the right track or not.
And the problem with that is that life
essentially has suffering. It's an
entailment of being alive. You're going
to suffer. You're going to go through
hard times. Bad things are going to
happen.
And those are the things that shape you
and your purpose in your life. And if if
you think that the only thing that
matters is you and your feelings and
your happiness, you're going to destroy
yourself, you're going to destroy
everyone around you, you're going to end
up breaking up your family for petty
reasons. You're going to end up uh
choosing a path that at the end of it,
you have no one and nothing around you.
And you're going to be one of these
women that's on TikTok crying and going,
"I'm 45 and I'm alone and all I have is
my cat and my crappy job that I don't
even like anymore, and I don't know how
I got here." Um, and then on a societal
scale, right, no one's mothering, no
one's parenting. What we have lost by
pushing women into the workforce, we
don't have community. The loneliness
epidemic is because women are all in
cubicles. Women are all at work. Women
are all at a job making money for
corporations and paying taxes. So, if
Uncle Joe gets sick, no one's there to
check on him and bring him some hot
soup. If uh the child is sick, he has to
get taken care of by someone else cuz
mom's at work. There is no sense of
community. There is no um elder care,
you know, like when people get old, they
go to a nursing home and you're getting
taken care of by Nigerian immigrants who
just got here yesterday and are being
paid $12 an hour to change your diaper
instead of, you know, your daughter or
your granddaughter or your children all
taking turns and helping and taking care
of their parents the way that we always
have. We don't have support for moms at
all. So, like, if you're like me and you
want to have children, you don't have
anyone to help you. You don't have a
community to raise your child with
anymore because all the other women are
are at work. Which is why it's so hard.
And that's another reason women don't
want to have children. You used to be
raising your kids with your sisters,
with your cousins, with your aunt and
your mom and your grandma and your
neighbors. All the women were at home.
All the women were raising kids and they
helped each other and they did it
together. And you had this sense of
community and this sense of unity and
you had these bonds and it's all gone.
It's just all dissolved and it's all
gone. and we're all suffering for it.
So, feminism telling women, "What
matters is you and your happiness right
now, your emotional state right now
should direct your life, terrible
advice." And it makes women um
miserable. It makes them destroy
themselves in their lives and the people
around them. And they don't even know
how they got there because they're just
doing what they've heard they should do.
So I would say if anybody's going to the
synthesis of like you know the these two
world views and like what I think we
should do I think it's not about going
back in time. Everybody goes well we're
not going back to the 1800s Rachel. I
know I know it's a different world. We
have technology. Things are different.
It's not going to look the same. But we
can go back to the values and the world
views and the the type of thinking that
helped us hold families together that
gave us meaning that helped us create
things that lasted into the future. We
don't build cathedrals that take 400
years to build anymore. We don't do
things now with the intention that this
is going to not be finished until my
grandchild is around. We don't do
everything's in short cycles. even our
government, you know, four-year cycles.
So, you can't plan ahead. You can't do
long-term thinking. And that's why
nothing works. So, I think that what we
need to do is go back to um valuing
family, motherhood, uh unity within the
family, men and women working together
in their proper natural roles with each
other. Yes, it requires some trust. Men
and women have to be able to trust each
other. We're going to have to be able to
behave in a way that we can trust each
other. And that's hard. And it can't be
all about you. It's got to be it. We
don't want communism where there is no
individual and we don't want this like
radical libertarianism where it's only
the individual. We need families and
communities again. We need uh long-term
thinking in order for things to be
cohesive, in order for things to work.
And you can't have that with feminism.
It's got to go. And I think that
ultimately it will. I think that in the
future, feminism will be looked back on,
and it might take centuries. I don't
know how long it'll take, but someday
they'll look back and go, "Wow, that
feminism stuff was crazy. That was a
terrible experiment." And it'll get
thrown into the dust bin of history
because it's not sustainable. It the
birth rates and everything um going the
way it's going, there's going to be hard
times ahead. And I don't know if you've
ever noticed, but there's no such thing
as a feminist in a disaster area, right?
If there's a hurricane or there's flood
waters or there's a war zone, nobody's a
feminist. Suddenly, everybody reverts
right back to traditional gender roles.
The men are the ones that come in and
rescue you from the flood waters or the
building burning and the women are the
one ones bandaging up people and and
trying to, you know, cook food and feed
people and things like that. So,
>> do you think Jenzy women will be drafted
for a wrong?
>> It would be the first draft where I
think they
>> I think qualify. I think one of the best
things we could do to fix this problem
is draft women. And here's why. Women in
the military, as soon as they get called
up for active duty, there's this
phenomenon. The first thing they do is
get pregnant.
And then they can't be called into
battle, right? So, I think if we did
draft women, if we said, "Okay,
feminists, fair. Uh, you guys want
equality." Um because one of the big
arguments out there right now
popularized by people like my husband or
Brian Atlas is hey women don't have to
sign up for the draft and men do. We
could be called into battle at any time
and you guys can't. So why should you
have equal political say? And I think we
should say okay if you want to vote sign
up for the draft.
>> And I think if we just had that
requirement a whole lot of women would
go
don't know if I'm that passionate about
voting. Maybe I'm not. It's really
interesting like if you made all women
uh have to sign up for the draft but you
don't have to uh get drafted if you have
a kid. I wonder how many would have kids
genuinely.
>> So I always say that I don't believe
women when they say they want true
equality. And the reason I don't believe
that is because 90% of all
infrastructure jobs which are usually
difficult, dirty, and dangerous jobs are
still held by men. Women have had a
hundred years to decide that they want
to be trash collectors. uh wastewater
treatment managers, um lumberjacks,
working on, you know, oil rigs, uh power
line men, things like this, roofing,
stuff that, um, you know, you can die in
your job. Men still overwhelmingly die
on the job at far higher rates than
women. We still do most of the same jobs
that we did a 100 years ago. We
basically just swapped uh farm labor for
HR work, but we're still mostly just
secretaries, nurses, um early childhood
educators, retail workers, line cooks,
waitresses, things like that. So, um
when women want to take on jobs that
they could die in, that are going to
break their bodies down, you know, at a
fast rate, they're going to find out
right away. like uh you know I'll have
people insist to me women can be roofers
and I'm like where's all the female
owned female only roofing companies?
They tried to do that in England and I
think it survived a couple years and
then that it went out of business.
Right.
>> Yeah. What would society look like if we
reached true equality? Like can you
paint uh a picture of like what a
woman's life would look like?
>> Oh it would be it would be horrible. Um
if women had to equally really do what
men have to do if they had if they had
the same exact standards. where you
couldn't get by at all. You couldn't uh
the fact that you're pretty or that you
know men might want to sleep with you or
marry you or have children with you. If
that just was out of the equation, um
there's actually a woman who tried to do
this. She uh dressed as a man and lived
like a man for like a year and it was so
awful she quit and then ended up very
tragically committing suicide. But she
said, "Life is horrible for men. It's so
bad for men. I had no idea." Um, if
women had to, like, let's say 50% of
garbage men had to be women now, then I
would take feminism a lot more
seriously. If you had to get up at 4 in
the morning, get on the back of a
garbage truck. You've seen the guys
where they hold on to the thing, and
they got to stop and pick up the trash,
throw it in the back. They're dealing
with dirty things, sharp things,
dangerous things. they're using their
physical strength to hold onto the back
of the truck all day and and hoist, you
know, things that are 30 to 50 lbs up
over their heads into a truck. If they
had to do farm labor, if they had to do
uh things like underwater welding that
only men do, you know, these
>> work on oil rigs perhaps. And
everybody's probably seen the videos of
men doing these things. you know,
they're getting like my husband used to
have a job in food factories as a
robotics mechanic where he'd have to go
down into like really tight, dangerous
spaces where he had to wear like a gas
mask and if there was a leak or
anything, he could die from inhaling
ammonia. He saw um a guy get, you know,
all of his flesh burned off his entire
lower arm. Uh saw a guy cut his hand off
on a lathe once. um you know having to
drive people to the ER bleeding and
hoping that they don't die as part of
your job versus women who still I'm not
saying there aren't some important
things women do. Of course we we want
nurses and we like when when we have
women, you know, teachers and things
like that and women have always done
those jobs. That's fine. But they're not
doing the really difficult, dirty,
dangerous work that men do. And if they
had true equality and had to do that, I
think they would all pretty much
immediately go back in the kitchen. It's
like that meme where World War II starts
and suddenly the feminists are all
washing dishes in the kitchen. Um
because yeah, that's what we see like uh
when when female soldiers get, you know,
called to action, they end up pregnant
immediately. Um and we just don't see
women clamoring for equality in those
jobs. And really what they want is, you
know, power, opportunity, and
self-enrichment. Fine, that's fair. But
again, we men don't have power without
all this responsibility. And that's what
women always miss. They don't realize
that yes, maybe men have some advantage.
Maybe they have some power. Maybe
they're bigger and stronger, so they're
always going to have the monopoly on
force. But the responsibility and the
difficulty that goes along with those
things, you probably don't actually want
that. And a lot of women will say they
do until they have to experience it and
then they're like, "Okay, never mind."
So, I think it'd be great if if we um if
we said, "Okay, if you want to be equal,
then you got to sign up for the draft."
And we're going to start recruiting
women straight out of high school um for
front lines combat in the military.
We're going to recruit them for uh the
dirty, dangerous, and difficult jobs. We
want 50% representation for women in all
of the top 20 jobs where men are dying
on the job. We want that to be 50%
women. Hope you make it. you know, good
luck to you. If there was something like
that, like a lottery where like say
you're a senior in high school and
there's all these college things you can
do and there's all these jobs you can do
and we just do it as a lottery. You just
draw a random number and that's the job
that you get. And women had equal
representation in men's jobs, feminism
would end tomorrow. It would be over
tomorrow. They would say that in fact
they would demand
that we end feminism because they'd say
this is not safe. This is this is
horrible. Look what you're do. Women
can't do this. And that's all of the
anti-suffragist women made these
arguments in the 1800s. They said,
"Look, the the purpose of government is
to protect property and people. We're
women. We can't do that. We can't
protect national borders. We can't
defend people. If someone's being
violently, you know, assaulted, you
don't call a woman to come save you. You
call a policeman, right? If if your
house is on fire, you call the firemen,
you know, and we used to have uh things
like you had to do compulsory fire
brigade service to vote. There used to
be all these restrictions on voting even
for men where if if men weren't paying a
pole tax or if they couldn't pass a
civics test or a religious test in some
places or if they weren't a certain age
or didn't own property or didn't do some
kind of civil service, they couldn't
vote either. And I think um it'd be good
if we went back to something more
merit-based rather than this idea that
everyone deserves. You know, this word
deserve drives me nuts. Everybody
deserves just because they exist. And
women deserve and women will tell you
all day. You ask a woman, "What do you
think women deserve?" And they'll tell
you, "I think they deserve freedom and
equality and they should have this and
they should have that and they should be
able to do whatever they want." You say,
"Okay, and I've asked this question.
What duties do women have?" And they go,
"What do you mean?" They don't even know
what what they've never thought of that.
They don't even understand the question,
right? Does a woman have a duty to
anyone or anything outside herself? and
they'll just sit there and look at you
gobsmacked like
well I don't know and I haven't gotten a
good answer yet. Um so I think that sure
you have rights but you have duties and
if you have rights with no duties then
that's just entitlement.
Rachel, your daughters are growing up in
a world where
the most popular career choices for
young women are things like social
media, Only Fans creator, uh, and
teenage girls are being recruited into
witchcraft on witch talk, Tik Tok.
>> Yeah.
>> As a mother of four daughters, what is
the hardest part of raising girls in
2026?
>> Uh, the internet. Just just keeping them
off of it for as long as possible. And I
think my husband has said this publicly
too. When they were younger,
we didn't know how bad it was cuz we are
from a different generation. We didn't
know some of the things that go on
online and stuff like that. And if we
had to go back and do it over, we would
have kept them off of phones and social
media even more than we did. We thought
we were doing enough, but looking back,
we would have like cracked down on that
even more. And my older daughters
actually agree. Like my older ones will
say, "Mom, you cannot let the younger
ones on this stuff. You got to take away
all these things. Don't let them have
this app. Don't let them have that app."
And and the older ones will even kind of
help police the younger one because
they're like, "This is not good for you.
You shouldn't be watching any of this.
You shouldn't be in Discord. Discord is
crazy. Get off of Roblox. There's bad
stuff in there." You know? So I think
the hardest part is the internet because
in like the orthodox interpretation of
Genesis is not that the tree of
knowledge of good and evil was some kind
of you know perverted test by God or
some kind of trap that God laid. That as
Adam and Eve grew spiritually and became
more like God and learned and became
wise that they would be ready to eat
from the knowledge of the tree of good
and evil. but that they did so at a time
when they were not ready for it yet and
that's why it corrupted them. And it's
kind of like that with kids. The
internet can be good and it can be bad.
And until you're old enough and you've
got enough wisdom to discern those
things, putting the whole world in a
child's hand and expecting them to
handle that is nuts. It's crazy. And so
I think uh yeah, I would definitely put
way more restrictions on that. I think
that like if we could have as much uh
blocking of children from internet
websites as possible, like if we could
make it 18 and up for so many things, I
would be in favor of that. I just think
it's you just can't throw that much at a
child and their brain and their limited
experience and expect things not to go
horribly wrong.
>> You lost one of your children. What was
his name? Jeffrey.
>> Jeffrey. Mhm.
>> He was 10.
>> Yeah. There's a question I think only
you can answer. What do you think God
was trying to teach Mary when he took
her son away?
>> Well, the orthodox interpretation of why
Christ died is a little bit different
than like the western conception. Um, in
western thinking, um, they tend to
believe in something called penal
substitutionary atonement. this idea
that Christ took on the sin of the world
and died for our sins to pay a debt to
God that we couldn't pay. Now, if you
believe Christ was God, if you're a
trinitarian and you believe that Christ
is the second person of the Godhead,
this becomes a problem because either
you're splitting the trinity against
itself where one person of the trinity
has to, you know, appease the other um
or you're you end up like in an Aryan or
in historian position where Christ must
have not been fully divine or he must
have just been human or something like
that. Um
I what the Orthodox believe is that
Christ died to enter Hades. And this is
something called the heroine of Hades.
It's a doctrine that's kind of lost in
the West. So after the crucifixion and
Christ's death, he descended into Hades.
And we kind of skip over that, right? I
was raised Protestant. We kind of
skipped over that. We just talk about
the uh resurrection and the ascension.
But when he went into Hades, he defeated
the power of death and took the keys of
hell back and actually resurrected the
Old Testament patriarchs. And it says
right in the New Testament that when
Christ resurrected and people saw him
walking around, they also saw the Old
Testament patriarchs resurrected with
him and walking around. And I was like,
how did I in all my 40 years as a
Protestant never never noticed that?
Never heard a thing about it in church.
So that's something that as Orthodox we
really focus on and we have a whole like
chant that we do every uh Easter. Christ
is risen from the dead trampling down
death by death and upon those in the
tombs bestowing life. And we say it over
and over and over. We say it about a
hundred times by the time we're done
with our Pusca service. And it's to it's
to really impress upon us the fact that
we were rescued from death. Death has no
power anymore over us. Um, and I think
losing a child, the thing that it
impressed upon me, I immediately had
this bizarre sense of relief that I am
not God. Thank God I'm not God. Thank
God I'm not in charge of who's born, who
dies, when they die, how they die. that
these things are you you get this sense
of helplessness that kind of makes you
realize you are not God and you are not
equipped to make those decisions and
that you have no idea like I have no
idea what would have happened had that
never happened and he lived or had
something turned out differently or he
had survived but been very badly you
know injured he was in a car accident
that's how he passed away so you get
this sense of gratitude that God who
knows all things and can see all ends is
in charge of that and not me because I
can't see all ends and I don't know all
things and I don't know what everything
is for. I have a limited understanding
as a human being and when I would
express that to people they thought it
was really weird. They thought it was
like a really strange thing to say. But
um
I I don't know how people get through
that kind of suffering without a belief
in God. Um I know that atheists have a
lot of reasons and things that they'll
say, but um I don't believe that just
because he was only alive for 10 years
that he his life did not matter. That's
why I still always say I'm a mother of
five because I am. Um, and I don't know
what else to take from it other than
that God is in charge and he is merciful
and he is loving and he is just. And the
suffering that we go through in this
life, at least from an orthodox
perspective, is for the benefit of our
salvation. We're each born at a time and
a place that is best suited to our
salvation. And the things that happen to
us, God can take the worst things and
and make them for good. So, who knows
what would have happened had that not
happened. And at the time, you're just
you're just trying to breathe moment to
moment and keep your head above water.
It was like that for me for like 2 and
1/2 years. I gained a ton of weight. I
just couldn't care about myself. The
only reason I got up every day was
because I had four other kids that
really needed me. And Andrew and I
really focused on, you know, our
relationship and keeping our marriage
together because the statistics on that
are terrifying. like 88% of people who
lose a child divorce. It's crazy. And I
thought the only thing that could make
this worse is if we divorced or
something and or if I ended up at the
bottom of a whiskey bottle like my mom
and never came out and then my other
four kids have to raise themselves and
it's like they lost their mother and
their brother. So,
um I think without that sense of purpose
and without um my Christian worldview, I
don't know that I would have gotten up
every day and kept going. I don't know
that I would have had this sense that
because I'm here and I'm still alive,
God has something for me and there's
work to be done and I need to get up and
do that regardless of how bad it is and
how bad I feel. Um, if you don't have
that, I don't know that I would have I
might have just quit. I might have just
given up because it's it was that bad. I
mean, anybody who's lost a child will
tell you it's like it's you can't even
explain it to somebody what it does to
you and how it changes you and changes
your view. But, you know, it gave me
something to fight for. It was like I'm
still here for something and he's not.
And so, I have to do right by my son by
doing the absolute best I can with
whatever time I have left here. Like, I
I owe it to him and he wouldn't want me
to quit. He wouldn't want me to give up.
Do you remember at that time like if
there's something Andrew would tell you
to kind of give you comfort or if there
was something
like did you feel like he was comforting
you? Did you feel like you were
comforting him? Like was it kind of like
a mutual thing like like when you looked
to him and asked him like I can't deal
with this. This is so hard. Like like do
you remember what he was saying to you
at the time?
>> Um a lot of it was more unspoken things.
Um, and that's the only time I've ever
seen that man actually just like cry. I
mean, cry like a baby cry. Um, was when
that happened. He's a very stoic guy and
he's very in control of his emotions.
Um, but, you know, he he's Jeffrey's
stepdad, but he had been there since he
was 2 years old and they had a great
bond and they were really close. Um, and
I think it was more just like the two of
us. We started this when we when we
decided, okay, we're going to get
married and we're going to have a family
and we're either all in or we're not.
Like, we knew it wasn't going to work if
we weren't all in. And this was just us
like reaffirming to each other this this
is the kind of thing where we need to be
allin. There is no room for um you know,
giving up or quitting or um retreating
from each other or avoiding each other.
So, I think we just doubled down. Like I
always say,
I think of him first. I put him first in
everything and I take care of him first.
And he does the same thing for me.
There's wild people on the internet that
think that Andrew is like abusive to me.
It couldn't be any further from the
truth. For one thing, I was in an
abusive marriage before him. And when he
met me, the guy was still I still had a
restraining order. It had gotten very
violent. It was very dangerous. The guy
was still coming around. And the first
thing he did was take me to a shooting
range and teach me how to shoot so that
I could defend myself. He said, "Just
the fact that you have this and know how
to use it will get rid of these types of
guys." And he was right about that. So,
I ended up becoming a firearms
instructor and teaching other women how
to shoot and use uh pistols for
self-defense and get concealed carry
licenses and things like that. So, he
started off, you know, definitely as the
kind of guy who's going to shield me
from abuse and help me protect myself
rather than ever abuse or take advantage
of me. He's always been very protective
of me and he's always put me first, you
know what I mean? Um, and when Jeff
passed away, he he just doubled down on
that. He took care of things like I'll
never be able to repay him for what he
did for me. Like even the night that we
found out, him calling people to tell
them the news, him setting up funeral
arrangements, him taking care of things
like that cuz he knew I was just in no
shape to do it. I was just like I was in
total shell shock. So he he just stepped
in and did those things regardless of
even what he was going through. He he
was just like, I got to do this because
she can't do it. And um we just like
doubled down on making sure that we were
taking care of each other because I
think both of us had like no sense of
giving a [ __ ] about ourselves for those
first couple years. You just you're so
depressed. You don't
you don't care about yourself. You're
like I just I don't care. Like I can get
up and brush my teeth and put on clothes
and that's about all I can manage. So
but I do care about him and I do love
him. So, I took care of him. And same
thing for him. He was like, "Well, I
don't really feel like I want to keep
going right now, but she needs me, so
I'm going to be there for her, and I'm
going to do what I can to make today a
little bit better for her or make it a
little less terrible." So, it really
just helped us relearn taking care of
each other and putting each other first.
And I think that that's what those
trials are for. Uh, the Orthodox
conception of marriage is that you are
dying to your own will. It's a sacrament
for us. It's not just a living
arrangement. It's not just a sharing of
household duties. It's not just for
procreation. The orthodox conception of
marriage is that it's teaching you how
to die to your own will for the sake of
someone else like Christ did for us. To
get back to your question, um like God
does for us. And that if we can die to
our own will for the sake of our spouse
and their salvation,
we are doing the same thing with God. We
are aligning our will with God. we are
um forsaking ourselves for some for the
love of someone else and that's so much
greater and what you get in return for
that is you get another person who's
doing that for you and then it's like
marriage becomes easy I'm not saying you
don't ever fight I'm not saying you
don't ever go through hard times but
it's like it's automatic for us now and
people always go I wonder what their
fights are like because they're both
debaters it must be such a cr and we
really don't fight
>> yeah I I would guess you wouldn't
>> we just really don't fight and always
says is you just choose not to fight.
>> He's like, I know that sounds way too
simple, but you just choose not to. Um,
and you know, I I do submit to him like
if he tells me, uh, I don't think you
should do that debate. I don't think
it's a good idea. I go, "All right." He
goes, "Hey, that tweet was out of line.
You need to delete the tweet." I go,
"Fine. All right. I'll delete the
tweet." You know, or something like
that. But
>> what's the last tweet your husband made
you delete?
>> I don't even remember it. I think it was
probably
I think it was something where he was
going to do a debate that he hadn't
announced yet and I said something about
it and he didn't want the details
getting out just yet.
>> But usually it'll be me being a little
bit too sassy,
>> me going a little bit too hard.
Sometimes sometimes he's like, "Oh,
that's pretty good." But sometimes he's
like, "No, delete that." And I'll delete
it. Um, and that's hard, you know. It's
hard to I I'm a very opinionated person.
And I'm in some ways the weirdest person
to be out here talking about this cuz
I'm very headstrong and I'm very
opinionated and I am very self-directed
and very independent. I had to be from a
really young age. But uh it's been the
best thing for me to learn to trust my
husband and submit to him in all things
uh just like I would unto the Lord. It's
like this weird thing happens when you
do that and you have a good man for a
husband. He becomes the absolute best
husband that you could ever want because
he knows. He knows. He's like, "She's
going to do whatever I say, so I better
get it right." Like, she depends on me
to be the leader and she's going to
follow me, so I'd better make sure I'm
pointed in the right direction cuz I
don't want her to follow me into, you
know, something bad. I don't want her to
follow me into destruction. And so
suddenly like the man feels like
everything I do is pretty important and
I need to be the best version of myself
because I have this responsibility. Now
of course if you marry some jerk
douchebag that's not going to work. But
if I'm assuming that if you marry a man
you're you have vetted him and you think
he's a good guy and that at his base
core he's a virtuous human being. Right?
And if that's the case and you submit to
him, yes, it does impress upon him,
whoo, like same thing that happens when
a man becomes a father. If he's a good
man, he goes, I need to be a good
example. I need to try my best. I need
to improve myself. I need to be aiming
towards virtue because people are, you
know, my children are paying attention
and following me. It's the same thing
with a wife. So if you want good men in
society, you can't tell them to lead and
then say, "But I'll follow you if I feel
like I want to and if I agree, and then
if I don't, I'm going to fight you on
it." And it's that balance that we were
talking about. I think also too it's
useful to marry a strong man but realize
what actual strength looks like for a
young woman listening to this right now
whose mother professors and algorithm
are telling her that career comes before
family. What message do you want her to
know?
>> I would love for her to know that uh
read Proverbs 31 in the Bible. The
Proverbs 31 woman um is a great
description of like a biblical woman and
she does a lot of things. You'll notice
when you read that passage, she does
things like buy and sell land. She makes
decisions for the household. She runs a
household that has servants. Now, we
don't have servants now, but if you're
running a modern household with kids and
a family, you're making all the health
care decisions. You have a lot of
responsibility. You know, we all know
everything that it takes to run a
family. It's a big job and it it
requires you to be competent. Um, this
idea that housewives are dumb bimbos
that lay on the couch all day watching
soap operas, not if you're doing it
right and certainly not if you have
multiple kids. It's a lot of work and
you're in charge of people's whole lives
and running this whole household. And
um, you don't need to define yourself by
a career and a job.
That's it's a very modern idea. First of
all, that's like a post-industrial idea
that we are our job. That's crazy. Um,
you're not your job. You're not your
degree. You are a person. And if you
really want purpose and you want to
define yourself as who you are, become a
mom because you'll find out what you're
made of and you'll find out who you are
really quickly. And um, this idea that
like you're
at risk or you're going to regret it.
No, the Proverbs 31 woman uh goes about
her day and handles her
responsibilities.
The only difference is she's doing it
for her family. She's doing it on behalf
of her husband, on behalf of her family,
and not for a corporate boss, not for
the government, not for some system that
doesn't care about her. She's doing all
of the things. She's she's an authority
over her children, over her servants,
over the decisions she's making. She's
central. She's important,
but she's important to the people around
her. She's important to her own family
and her own community and to her church.
And that's better. Like, if you want
freedom, if feminism was really about
freedom, I feel like as a stay-at-home
mom, I had way more freedom. I got up
every day and decided what we're going
to do, when we're going to do it, the
order it needs to be done. I can
prioritize according to what I think
matters most. I don't have to get up and
stick to a schedule that's appointed to
me by someone else where I feel like uh
there's really more important things I
want to get to, but I have to do this
crap for 8 hours and then maybe if
there's time after I can take care of
the stuff I actually care about.
Freedom and independence is having your
own family, making your own family. And
um you get to discover like what you're
good at and what you want to learn and
what you want to do with your life. And
by putting your family first, I think we
give women backwards advice. We say
career first, maybe family later if
there's time. No, no, no. I'd say do
your family first. Find a great guy
while you're young. um before both of
you have been through, you know, 30
different boyfriends and girlfriends and
had your heart broken a million times
and all you're good at is breaking up.
That's what we do now. We teach people
to date and date and date and date and
have so many different boyfriends and
girlfriends that all you get good at is
breaking up with somebody and moving on
to the next one. You don't ever get good
at staying with someone and learning the
skills of being a wife and being a
husband because that's a skill set and
you have to learn it. We're not born
good wives and husbands. So find someone
young who shares your worldview, your uh
spiritual views, uh the life that you
want. You kind of have a shared mission
together and build a life and a family
with that person first. Do it when
you're young cuz number one, having
babies is a young woman's game. I can
tell you it was easier at 20 than it was
at 32. Uh trying to get up with and
chase after toddlers in your 40s is
tough. It's much easier. Your body
bounces back faster. You're at lower
risk for health complications. you're
you're going to have an easier time
getting pregnant, all of that. So, have
your kids in your family young and then
you'll be like me and you'll be 45 and
they're pretty much all grown up and
moved out. Like, I have two at home. One
of them is about to be an adult and the
other one's only a couple years away
from that. So, now I do have time to do
other things like be here with you,
write a book in my spare time, stuff
like that. There's a lot of life after
kids if you do that first. So, it's not
that you can't do all the things or be
more than a mom or do other things
besides just raise kids. It's just that
you're setting yourself up for failure
by putting that on the back burner and
doing everything else first, if that
makes sense.
>> What does the comment section of a
happily married woman look like?
>> Uh, it looks like people trying to
convince me that I'm not happy. Uh,
people trying to convince me that
actually, you know, I'm brainwashed into
being happily married.
I love my husband a lot and I kind of
get made fun of for sing for him. Like
I'll get called Ra Rachel Will S, which
I think is cute. Um, you know, I'm
always like kind of gushing over him. I
really just I just think he's the
coolest, most awesome guy ever. I just
love him more the longer I'm with him.
And that bugs people. It's very
surprising to me how much people hate
that. It's like I don't know if it comes
from jealousy or if it comes from just
that it's been so cool for so long for
women and men to hate each other and
dunk on each other and every sitcom has
wives that can't stand their husbands
and think he's a bumbling [ __ ] who
can't do anything without her. I don't
know what it is, but it's like I'm
constantly being told, "Oh, you're
actually brainwashed. Uh you actually uh
you know, you're just too scared to
leave him and you're stuck in a cycle of
abuse." And I'm just like, uh, I was in
a cycle of abuse. I've been with Andrew
for almost two decades now and he's been
nothing but fantastic to me. Like just I
depend on him for everything cuz he's
awesome and he really comes through and
he's totally dependable and he's always
there whenever I need him for anything.
So the comment section usually looks
like some people going, "Wow, this is
really white pilling and gives me a lot
of hope and I hope I can find a marriage
like this someday. That would be great."
And then the other half of the comments
is actually he's ugly and fat and he
smokes and he swears and you should be
ashamed and he's disgusting and you're
awful and you're brainwashed and it's
like yeah.
>> Are these men leaving these comments?
>> Uh it's more women. It's more women.
It's most of the men uh are like, "Wow,
that's really cool that you guys have
such a great relationship and you
genuinely like really love each other."
Cuz Andrew will do streams where he's
watching me debate or something and
they're always like, "I never seen a man
so proud in all my life." you know, he
just you can just see him beaming with
pride when his wife's doing a good job
and that's so cute, you know. So, some
people love it and they think it's
adorable and they're like, I want that,
you know, I want that. I want a super
like best friend, wife, husband dynamic
where um you know, we have this shared
mission and shared worldview and we're
really close and we're just in it to the
end no matter what. And they think
that's great. And then there's just
this, it's usually women, but there are
a few like more feminist men that just I
don't know what it is about me, but I
trigger like the feminist men. They hate
me with a burning passion. They're just
like and I think it's because I I ruin
their sneaky [ __ ] um mating strategy.
And that's guys who can't compete. Guys
who are, you know, tend to get
friend-zoned a lot. They'll take on a
feminist persona. They'll act like their
girls friends. Oh, I'm just one of the
girls. I'm just hanging out with you.
And they'll kind of wait until one of
those women is like, you know, post
breakup. She's had a little too much to
drink. She's a little sad and then they
make their move type of a thing. You
know,
>> that's actually what I meant earlier
when I said look for a strong man
because I think that every man that a
woman realizes to not be strong is
really that kind of person.
>> Yes.
>> It's uh appearing weak so they appear
not to be a threat, but those people are
typically the biggest threats. You know
what I That's the exact trap that I fell
into when I was young. Um, and it was
Yeah, I mean, it's my responsibility.
Ultimately, I chose the first two men
that I tried to make a family with. So,
that's on me. But it did not help that
all the messaging from, you know,
everybody from my mother to the culture
was like, "No, those strong men are
toxic and bad and they're the ones who
are going to hurt you." So, the ones
that were telling me everything I wanted
to hear and presenting themselves as
Prince Charming and then, you know, you
marry him and he's a totally different
person and you're like, "Oh crap, I'm
screwed." Um, that was bad. Don't
recommend it. Yeah. So, like a a strong
guy who has boundaries is the guy you
want.
>> A guy who knows how to maintain
boundaries is the one who's going to
protect you and also not let you walk
all over him. Because women make this
mistake all the time. They think they
want a man who's going to take orders
from them and do what they want. And
then they get that guy and their ovaries
shrivel up. They're no longer attracted
to him. They have no respect for him.
And then they resent him. And that's you
see a lot of women in that situation
where they're married to a guy that they
ultimately don't really respect cuz he
kind of lets her push him around. He
kind of just goes, "Oh, happy wife,
happy life." And then they resent each
other and it's just this like slow boil
of resentment and they just kind of stay
together and it fers until they get
divorced. It's like something has thrown
off women's gauge of being able to
identify what makes them feel safe.
>> Birth control. Birth control will do
that too. It actually change. Like
they've done a bunch of studies showing
that birth control cuz it tricks your
body into thinking you're pregnant. And
when you're pregnant, um the type of
mate that you're looking for is more
docile and more um because you've
already been fertilized, I guess. So
it's your brain's way of saying like we
need like the nice guy now. Whereas, and
women will tell me this, like I get
emails and messages from women. They're
like, "I've been off birth control for 6
months, and I'm finding whole different
men attractive than I ever did before."
Like, suddenly I'm I'm into a whole
different type of guy than I ever was.
Like, no more of these artsy, skinny
boys who are like, you know, uh, liberal
arts majors. I'm I'm liking the tall guy
with the cowboy boots and the beard all
of a sudden. Like, what's happening? Uh,
yeah, birth control will do that. And
then I think the cultural propaganda
does that a lot too.
>> Um
>> it's like this really basic idea of like
I would guess like when a girl meets a
guy that's actually a good partner for
her long term like she should be scared
of him when she meets him. Do you know
what I mean?
>> Yeah. Yeah. It's like if you're not like
a little like frightened by him like
it's like how no one else will be
either. Exactly. You know um and like
sure a guy should make you feel safe but
he if he overly does it then and and
it's authentic then the way and he acts
that way to other men he's not going to
get what he wants either you know cuz if
you act docile to other men like I don't
know like any guys listening to this
that have done that like it doesn't work
out very well you know.
>> You're right Jordan Peterson that was
one thing he got right. He used to say,
uh, a good man is a dangerous man. Cuz
if you're not dangerous,
you can't really do much good in the
world. So, a a dangerous man who's
completely in control of himself is like
the best guy you can get. And that's
what I think I have. I mean, Andrew has
we had a home invasion some years back
and he there were people in our
basement. They had broken into our
basement and um were rumaging through
things and he went to the top of the
stairs with a shotgun, pumped it and
yelled something super scary at them and
they ran off. I mean, he didn't have to
think about it. He didn't hesitate. He
didn't hide behind me or anything like
that. Um and you know, scared them off
and those people got arrested and went
to prison and everything. So, um, and
then there was another time at a party
where somebody said something like
really rude and off color to me and he
open palm slapped the guy and knocked
him out standing on his feet. But at the
same time, if if I'm getting like a
really [ __ ] attitude with him that's
totally undeserved, he'll be like, "You
need to go take a nap and you don't talk
to me like that." You know, there was I
always tell this story about when we
first started dating and I was being
kind of a brat and I threw a remote
control at him for some reason. Don't
even remember what it was, but I was
just being a sassy brat and he just
looked at me and he went, "I don't date
girls who throw things at me. So, I'm
going to leave now and if you ever want
to see me again, uh, you should call me
and apologize." And he just walked out.
Now, he didn't yell. He didn't get into
a fight with me. He just calmly asserted
like this is a boundary that you don't
cross that I won't put up with. And at
first I was like what did I got? Like
you know I got in my feelings about it
and then I went oh crap am I the girl
that throws things? Am I the girl that
throws stuff at guys? Like I don't want
to be her. I don't want to be like that.
I was and then I was like dang it he's
right. You know so just my ability to
say to myself ah yeah like objectively
he's right. That was out of pocket
obnoxious behavior. And no man who
respects himself is going to want that
helped me. It helped me to correct
behavior like habits that I had probably
picked up growing up that I didn't even
know that I had. And he was just calmly
assertive. He he never yells at me. He
doesn't uh raise his voice to me like
really ever. He'll just calmly be like,
"No, that's not happening. This is what
you know, this is what we're going to
do." Um, and sometimes he most of the
time he takes a lot of care to like
explain what he's thinking, but he
sometimes he's like, "Look, I don't have
time or patience to explain this right
now. This is just what I need you to do
and you got to trust me." And I go,
"Okay." You know,
>> what do you see is happening right now?
Like what is the biggest scop happening
right now to women?
>> I don't know that there's anything super
new. Um, it's usually just it's usually
just like the any attempt to remove
illegal immigrants or shut the border
down or anything like that. Um, is going
to end up in the Handmaid's Tail, right?
That like uh you're going to people are
just going to be put in cages and and
raped. people are going to be, you know,
like that if we give the government the
power to just like actually defend the
border and, you know, remove people who
are here illegally or something that
this necessarily means, oh, you know
what it is? The other one is the
abortion stuff. So, I think the biggest
sigh up is, and I've seen female
political candidates on X saying this
garbage, and I will correct them with
facts and post it everywhere. I have
Democrat women running for office in
Texas telling people stuff like women
are dying right now because they can't
get health care because of abortion
laws. And I'm like, "No, they're not.
Why are you saying why are you They're
like, well, women are hesitating to get
treatment for miscarriages because
they're afraid they'll get prosecuted
for an abortion." And I'm like, I know a
friend of mine who just had an ectopic
pregnancy. it was an emergency and it
was taken care of right away. That is
not true. There was nobody stopped us to
make sure she wasn't having an abortion.
Like this is just lies. And and if you
look up the actual facts of it, you can
easily find this out. This but there are
pro-abortion groups that are putting out
talking points that are very misleading.
So they won't outright say women are
dying directly due to the law change.
They'll say it creates confusion that
may lead some women to hesitate to get
treatment in time. And then they'll give
you a case and they'll say, "Well, this
woman died of a hemorrhage uh because
she waited too long to get treatment
after, you know, having a miscarriage or
something like that." So, nobody's
actually dying because abortion is
illegal.
>> Okay? But they'll frame it in a way, and
this is always the case with feminism.
It's always comes down to framing. They
will say something that sounds like it
must be true, but really when you look
into it, it's not. For example, they'll
say things like, "One in three women on
every college campus will be sexually
assaulted." And you go, "One in three?
Wow, that's that's a terrible problem."
And when you look into that, it's
actually not true. It's the actual crime
statistics of women even reporting that
a sexual assault happened is something
like less than 2%.
But they get the one in three number
from surveys, self-reported surveys
where they ask women things like, "Have
you ever felt regret the next day after
sleeping with someone or felt like maybe
the fact that you had something to drink
made you less able to consent?" Have you
ever been cat- called and felt
uncomfortable? Has someone ever like
touched you and it wasn't like somebody
rubbed your shoulders and you didn't
want them to? And they'll count all
those things as essay.
So it it usually comes down to framing
and misfring and misrepresenting facts
to make things sound a certain way.
That's anytime you hear a statistic like
that from feminists, always think to
yourself, does that sound like it lines
up with reality? and then go check cuz
it's almost always wrong. So this
gaslighting that like women are dying
everywhere because they can't just get
abortions whenever they want for any
reason is ridiculous. And if anything, I
mean, abortion has a lot of risks and
women can die from abortions and they do
die from abortions and the abortion
pills have a lot of risks. Uh birth
control pills have a tremendous amount
of risk for women and I don't feel like
most women are properly informed. I
don't think they emphasize to women the
risks and the long-term health
consequences of birth control. Birth
control. They give it to you like it's a
vitamin. Oh, you got acne, have some
birth control. Uh irregular periods,
birth control. Um you know, you have
migraines, try some birth control. They
just like give it to you. They they push
it so much on young women and don't
fearonger you about any of the things
that can go wrong using abortificent
drugs or surgical abortion or birth
control or any of that stuff.
>> So, but they will fearmonger you to
death and make you think that just
because you can't get abortion with no
limits that just women are dying
everywhere. And it's not true. Do you
think that someone actually just wanted
less kids to be born uh so they could
gain power and they told these witches
like, "Hey, believe in this thing so
like you'll do abortions." Do you know
what I'm saying? Like, do you think it
comes from the devil first and then
gives people power or do you think it
>> gives people power so like people like
push that rel?
>> It's kind of a chicken or the egg thing
and I don't really care how people think
of it as long as it gets them to the
right conclusion. I do believe that yes,
it comes from a you know demonic satanic
place. And the reason I think that is
because when I wrote the chapter in my
book on Margaret Sanger, I literally had
nightmares. I was so angry. I was when I
read
>> Is there anything you left out of your
book because it was too disturbing?
>> Uh there's things that I softened. So
this is a good example of that. So
Margaret Sanger uh she if you know
anything she was the person who kind of
was pushed to the forefront to um
>> founder of Planned Parenthood
>> founder of Planned Parenthood.
Technically,
uh, it was the Bureau of Social Hygiene
first and it went by other names and
people try to obuscate on that point,
but no, the Rockefeller family found her
um already kind of saying some of these
things and paid her and pushed her to
the forefront to be like the face of
this and she was their primary
propagandist and the one who helped
establish Planned Parenthood around the
world. England had a similar woman. Um,
Marie Stokes was her name. And both of
them started by going to like poor
people um, of any color, but also
especially like non-whites um, and
trying to really force sterilization on
them. And Margaret Sanger had a book
that she used to fearmmonger women about
birth and convince people that abortion
was this necessary thing and that that
we needed to be pushing towards birth
control. She was also like really
involved in the development of the birth
control pill as well. So she had uh
three children herself and she was
married and she was doing things that
were illegal. you weren't supposed to
distribute um birth control, which at
the time was things like diaphragms or
spermicides. You weren't supposed to
send them in the mail. Um this was a
violation of a set of laws called the
Commtock laws. And she got in trouble
for doing that and for um passing out
pamphlets on birth control and family
planning. And she let her husband go to
jail on her behalf for that so that she
could escape to Europe and and have
orgies with, you know, like prominent
men of the time who were socialists and
things like that. And she abandoned her
three children and one of them died
while she was um in like a boarding
school. and she wrote a book that was
supposedly a collection of letters from
women around the world saying they
couldn't figure out how they kept
getting pregnant and they were just so
tired of being pregnant and they were
dying from being pregnant too much. And
I found out that that whole thing was
basically baloney. There was no letters.
I contacted the Margaret Sanger Papers
project which has everything the woman's
ever written. If she wiped her face on a
napkin, they have it, you know. And I
contacted them and said, she said she
got tens of thousands of letters. Where
are they all? And like, can I access
them? And they said, oh, we only we
don't have most of them. And I said,
well, how many do you have? They said,
three.
I said, three. What happened to the
other thousands? And they said, oh, they
were lost to time or she might have sent
them to abortion doctors to like
encourage them when people were like it
was so stigmatized. We really don't
know. And so I read I went back over the
book and it's clearly plagiarism. She
clearly just made all this stuff up. And
I thought here again, we're being lied
to to push an agenda. You know, they're
willing to just lie to women. And we do
that now. We do it with fat acceptance.
We do it with all kinds of things.
People are just so willing to lie to
women to get them to believe anything.
And uh I think that she genuinely she
said Margaret Sanger said that the
kindest thing a large family can do to
one of its members is kill it.
She said that she didn't believe anyone
should be having babies. This woman was
like a nut job radical. You can go back
and watch her early TV uh interviews
from the 40s and 50s. You can wa listen
to her radio interviews from the 30s.
She just came right out and said we
shouldn't be having any more kids. the
planet's too full. No more babies.
Nobody should be having any babies. And
you know, big families are terrible and
and you need to kill them. And it's just
like she was a crazy radical person. And
that's Luciferian. I mean, in Genesis,
we're told that the seed of the woman
will crush the serpent. And that's
Jesus. The seed of the woman. Because
usually you hear the seed of a man. You
don't usually hear it referred to in
that way. But because Christ was
incarnated of the Holy Spirit, there was
no male seed involved. So they said the
seed of the woman will crush the serpent
and um he will bruise his heel. That's
referring to Christ being crucified. Um
so yeah, Satan hates women and he hates
motherhood and he doesn't want you to
have babies because if he could have if
Satan could have stopped women from
having babies, he could have prevented
the incarnation.
simple as like he does and he doesn't
want us producing new icons of God. In
the Orthodox faith, we think that human
beings are icons of Christ. We're like
an image of God. Uh Roman Catholics used
the IMO day, the image of God within a
human being. We think that we are unique
and blessed creations of God. So to me,
when I hear a woman saying, you know,
kill babies, don't have any. uh these
large families need to just start
killing off some of their children as a
mercy. I know exactly where that comes
from. That doesn't come from God. That
only comes from one place. So according
to in my opinion, yes, I think that's
like deeply satanic. I think that's the
essence of Satanism of Luciferianism is
to be so antihuman that you don't want
new life coming into this world. You
don't value human lives. Do you see
human beings as like a pest or a scourge
on the planet?
>> If you logically deduce that being God
is choosing who lives and who dies, then
like abortion, if if it's not murder, at
the very least you're choosing who lives
and who dies, you know?
>> Absolutely.
>> Like you're choosing to not bring in a
life.
>> I just had this debate with a couple of
girls that were on the Whatever podcast
with me. I said, and they said, "You
think abortion is murder?" And I said,
"Yeah, it is murder." And they said,
"No, it's not. No, it's not." And I
said, "Okay, is it human?" And at first
they said, "No."
>> I said, "So the thing inside of you
isn't human. It's not a homo sapiens.
It's not a human being." And then they
were forced to say, "Well, yeah, it's
human, but it's not alive." And I said,
"It's not alive." And they were like,
"No, it's not alive yet." And I was
like, "Then why do you have to kill it?
If it's not alive, why does it have to
be killed?"
So then they finally admitted, well,
yeah, it's alive, but it's not a person.
So then, so you end up with this
personhood argument where, well, it's a
human and it's alive and I am killing
it, but it doesn't have personhood. It
doesn't have a life yet. It doesn't have
experiences. It doesn't have conscious
experiences. So when you walk those
people through the logic, you always end
up with a lot of goofy arbitrary coping
and and arbitrary starting points of
well yeah it is human life and but it's
not valuable yet because they haven't
had experiences. And so then you can say
stuff like okay well if someone's in a
coma and they're not having conscious
experiences can I just kill them?
>> Well no you can't do that. Why not? Well
because they did have experiences. I'm
like, "Yeah, but if they're brain dead,
like say the doctors say we don't think
he's going to wake up." Probably no more
conscious experiences for him.
So if I go over and just unplug him,
whether I'm authorized to do that
legally or not, there's no moral
implication. I didn't do anything wrong
because it's the same thing as an
abortion. So if an abortion isn't wrong,
then this isn't wrong. So it's like you
can constantly get them on the logic.
>> Do you know how many abortions there are
a year roughly?
>> Uh I think it's still hovering just
under a million. It's unrelated
>> in America. In worldwide, it's much
more. I mean, we've had more abortions
in the last century than people who have
died in every single war around the
world. It's the biggest mass genocide in
human history by far.
>> It's interesting cuz I've read that some
people see war as a type of sacrifice.
Uh there are two people. One person
believes that it's actual ritual
sacrifice to something and then there's
one person believes that this just gives
me power. Like
>> what does this person get and what does
this person get from all these things?
>> The only reason you do a ritual
sacrifice is for power. So like the
reason that Aztecs would you know cut
the hearts out of people and throw them
off the top of pyramids was they were
hoping to be granted something. Whether
it's rain for crops, whether it's power
over their enemies, you're asking for
something you want and you're giving a
sacrifice in return. That's what all
human sacrifices like ball worship,
right? We know that like ancient
Canaanites and other Mesopotamian groups
were did sacrifice babies to pagan gods.
And they did so either, you know, to
conquer their enemies, to gain power,
status, wealth, um to get food or have a
bountiful harvest like any. But it's
always something for me.
>> Do you think it works?
>> And that's why it's a sacrifice.
>> Do you think it works?
>> I do. I think that the enemy will grant
you certain temporal powers. Christ
himself was tempted by the devil before
he was crucified. Satan took him up to a
cliff and showed him like this huge
kingdom and said, "I'll give you all of
this, you know, if you just bow down to
me and he said, "Who are he basically
said, who are you to offer me anything?"
Which is another indication that Christ
was saying he was God. But um that's
what the devil does. He offers you
that's like the proverbial taking the
deal, right? Signing signing your soul
off to the devil. you're giving away
your soul for some kind of temporal gain
that you want. It's always a bad deal.
Like everybody knows this. Nobody ever
reads FA or anything and thinks, "Oh,
that's a good good plan. That works out
well for people." But if you don't have
control over your passions, if you let
your passions rule you, it will override
your logical faculties and you'll make a
bad deal to get something you really
really want right now.
>> And it's usually like very emotionally
driven. Um, and there's a lot of women
who when you talk to them about
abortion, it's like, "You're not going
to tell me that I can't and they get
like very angry and they see it as like
the ultimate rebellion against authority
and you don't tell me what to do with my
body." It's it doesn't come off to me as
a oh, a thing I really didn't want to do
and safe, legal, and rare, and nobody
wants to get an abortion. Like the way
that women are about it now, they'll
just scream in your face. Like you see
at these, you know, abortion rights
things where there's like abortion
protesters and they're screaming kill
all the babies or something, you know,
they scream something really
inflammatory and it's like this defiant,
angry
um you're not going to take this power
away from me cuz it's a power that they
have.
>> And then for those who don't believe
it's anything spiritual, what do you
like? Why allow that?
>> A lot of times it's just for convenience
purposes. It's like, well, and people
have a lot of silly ideas, like they'll
say, oh, you don't want a bunch of
babies being born to people who don't
want them. And it's like, well, my
mother didn't want me
>> yet. I'm really glad I'm here. And I had
five children that I did want, you know,
um, that had no basis in determining
what my life was going to look like. Did
I have a rough childhood? Yeah.
But a lot of people have a rough
childhood and go on to be incredible
human beings and do wonderful things and
um even if your mother doesn't want you
when she's pregnant, there's a ton of
women that really contemplate abortion
and almost do it, decide not to, and
then they're like, "Thank God I didn't.
I love being a mom. I love my child. I I
would never take it back." Um so usually
people have arbitrary materialistic kind
of reasons for wanting abortion. Um, a
lot of people still believe in
overpopulation even though that's been
disproven. It's a myth. We are not
overpopulated. They'll say, "Well,
there's 8 billion people on the planet.
That's too many." It's like, it's
clearly not. We've pretty much
eradicated hunger by having enough
people that we can create these uh
sophisticated logistical supply chains
that get food to pretty much everywhere
it needs to go. Now, it's why Africa is
one of the only places that still has a
birth rate above replacement cuz we're
feeding all of them now, you know, like
they're they're not dying off from
starvation or anything anymore. Um, so
it's usually misguided. It's usually mo
one thing I've learned doing this is
that most people do not know why they
believe what they believe.
>> They really don't. They're forming their
worldview and their beliefs off of
things they've heard repeated over and
over that sound good on their face. And
most of us are too busy trying to pay
bills and, you know, just get through
the day to sit there all day and really
think philosophically and deeply about
world views and why we believe these
things and where our ideas really came
from and did I think of this myself or
were these thoughts kind of put in my
head and I just accepted them. Most of
us don't think about that. which is
which is why shows like this are
important because it gets people to
think
why do I think that or why did I hold
this belief? Does it make sense? Is it
logical? Is there something better? Uh
should should I continue to believe this
or have I been presented new evidence
that makes me feel like maybe I should
change my mind? And this is another
thing where I see a big difference
between men and women. Most of the men I
sit down and talk to, even if they
really don't agree with me, like at the
beginning, if I present a lot of facts
and arguments that make sense to them,
they'll go, "Hm, okay, I'm going to have
to go think about this." Whereas women,
like I just sat across the table from a
woman two weeks ago who said, "I don't
care how many facts you tell me, and I
don't care how how much how many
arguments you have. I just am not going
to change my mind because I feel every
statement she came at me with started
with but I feel like and I believe and I
feel and I was like okay but and I asked
her so it doesn't matter what I tell you
it doesn't matter what facts I and she
was like well no cuz your facts are
biased facts my facts were biased
Republican facts or something so
>> her feelings were objective
>> exactly exactly so I think that that is
more common I'm not saying that there
aren't plenty of logical women I get
emails from women all the time and
messages of support from women all the
time and so many comments from women who
are like, "Thank you for speaking up for
us because I'm a wife and a mom and I
feel like I'm fighting the same uphill
battle. I feel like I have no support.
I'm scared to say that I don't want a
career and I'm scared to tell my parents
that I don't want to open a dental
practice, you know, or whatever it is
they're doing." And a lot of them will
write me to to say, you gave me a way to
kind of defend my choices. I feel like I
can competently explain, yes, I'm going
to skip college and start my family.
Here's why. And like I kind of give them
words that they didn't know how to
articulate before in order to defend
that choice and to feel confident in it,
to not feel like, oh, am I am I screwing
up? Am I going to regret this? I don't
know. And that's all I really set out to
do with writing this book and doing all
of this is I just wanted to help all of
the women who were like me and they're
20 and they're just like in their head
they're going, I know everyone expects
me to go to college and have a career,
but I don't really want to do that. I
want to I want to get married and I want
to have a family and that's my priority.
And I don't think that they should feel
ashamed or, you know, like nervous to
voice that and they shouldn't have to be
met with so much push back. Um, the
boomer generation is really bad with
this. You know, boomer parents were, you
got to go to college, you got to have an
education or you're not going to be
anything in this world, you know, like
you got to have an education and a
degree or no one's going to hire you.
That was my generation. But, um, one
more thing about the abortion stuff.
You're Gen Z, right?
>> Yes.
>> Do you know that almost a third of your
generation was aborted?
Almost onethird of Gen Z worldwide was
never born because they were killed
before they could be born. And I can
>> That's there's about 60 million Gen Z 17
years of the generation. Yeah, that
makes sense. About 17 million abortions
or something like that.
>> Yeah,
>> that's ridiculous actually.
>> Imagine like what that amount of people
might have done to change the world.
Imagine what those people could have
accomplished. Like we'll never know what
the world would be like if a third of
your generation hadn't been wiped out
before they could ever be born. It could
have been people who figured out how to
cure cancer or make free energy or who
knows like who knows what it could have
been what the world would be like. We
could have ended up with a world where
we didn't need you know endless third
world immigration in order just to
sustain our economy. Like we we just
won't know. And it's it's crazy that we
would
eliminate a third of a generation before
it could be born. And people just are
like, "H, it's fine."
>> Well,
your book and your thoughts have really
made me think. Uh, everyone, this has
been your guest, Rachel Wilson. This is
the Jack Neil podcast. Where can people
find you?
>> Uh, you can find more of my writing at
my Substack, rwilson.substack.com.
You can find my book, Occult Feminism:
The Secret History of Women's Liberation
on Amazon. And I do have a little
YouTube channel, uh, Rachel Wilson. And
you can find me on X at RA for
Patriarchy.
>> Beautiful. Thank you for coming on.
>> Yeah, thank you. I really appreciate it.
This is a great great chat.