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>> Good to see you, sir.
>> Thank you for having me, brothers. Big
honor.
>> Thank you. An honor for me, too. Very
excited about this. Very excited to talk
to you. There's so many different things
to discuss. So, do you know what is
going to be released? So supposedly this
is the week of some kind of disclosure.
Can you give us any insight as to what's
going on?
>> Oddly enough, I got a call that um that
tomorrow at 3:00 I'm going to be briefed
over the phone by um I think one of
Seth's top dogs is going to go over some
stuff with me that they've got and I
have no earthly idea. I I don't want
everybody to get their hopes up. I don't
have a lot of faith in in our
government. President Trump's always
been great to me. He's never lied to me.
But I I don't know that he knows the
right questions to ask and the right
people to talk to because I mean, this
thing's been covered up at least since
1947.
And I just don't think they're going to
they don't give up that easy. The war
pimps at the Pentagon and everybody
else, they just don't give up that easy.
>> How how did you come to understand all
this stuff? like what was your
understanding of it before you got into
government?
>> I had pretty cool parents. Um, right now
they would uh daddy was an old World War
II marine and mama flew an airplane
during the Second World War. I mean,
they were they were badasses. Then they
were good Christian people. But my daddy
was a stone cold killer. I mean, he was
the real deal. He was on Peloo and
Okinawa in the Marine Corps. And of
course, mama's oldest brother, Roy, got
killed fighting the Nazis. And mama did
her part. Just a little country girl.
didn't have electricity till she's a
senior in high school. So, I've kind of
lived the American dream. But they would
let me, you know, they let me get
bloodied up and then they would patch me
up and let me go. You know, I I could
ride my bike to the library or the
library if you're from East Tennessee.
And uh and it was, you know, about a
mile from the house and they go in there
and they have these books set up and
they had all this stuff on, you know,
all this wild stuff and there's a book
on UFOs and I just picked it up and
started reading it. I probably wasn't, I
don't know, seven or eight years old and
I just always followed it, you know, the
the magazine articles and I'd go out at
night and hope to see a UFO. Never did,
never have um until some of the
briefings I've been in. But um and then
I'm walking down the street
>> and can I mention another news sources?
Okay. I was walking down the street and
TMZ was there was a guy there um this
black fella, his name's Colin. He's a
buddy of mine. He doesn't work for them
anymore, but he was filming and he said,
"Hey, Congressman," he said, "You want
me to comment on the UFO thing?" He
couldn't get anybody to comment. I said,
"Why sure?" I said, "They're going to
issue tell you they're going to issue
you a report and it's going to be loaded
and everybody's freaking out. It's going
to be the greatest thing. It's going to
be total disclosure and then they're
going to put something out. It looked
like somebody shot it with a dad gum 12
gauge. It's just going to have holes in
it. It's all redacted. And I said, "And
they're not going to put it out this
week. It'll be weeks later." And that's
exactly what they did. They had a report
I felt like had some information in that
was new to the public. And um and they
um did what they always do. They hid it,
covered it up. And then uh
everybody saw that interview and I said
on it I said um
>> that's the one we were talking about
bases in the ocean.
>> No, no, no, no, no. That a different one
as is totally different. I this is just
out on the street corner and then I
started getting calls from people
literally all over the world. I mean
I've I've talked to legislators in
Russia over this issue and then people
um people start just stop me on street
corners and say, "Hey man, I really
appreciate you going for disclosure. I
have doctors tell me this. have lawyers,
engineers. I have military people that
have seen things that they can't
describe. I've had members of Congress.
You know, there's a few bullies in
Congress. They'll make fun of me and say
smart elic stuff. But put it out there
to your people. It's over 55% of the
American population feels like we're not
alone. I mean, seriously, you go out
there and look at those every night. My
dogs, they got to take a leak. They
never want to take a leak at like 9:00.
It's always 3:00 in the morning. I look
at those dadum stars, man. And the light
from those stars left there before the
time of Christ. And the light from some
of those stars, the stars have already
combusted. I mean, they're not even
there anymore. You know, light years to
us is is something that's hard to
understand. And we are more we are just,
you know, one grain of sand on a billion
beaches. And I still don't think we're
the best that God can do. I, you know, I
just can't imagine we're his shining uh
we're we're the one they put on the
mantel. Oh, look. you made humans. Well,
you know, we've kind of screwed things
up. So, I I you know, and I and I read
my Bible and a lot of the Christian
folks knock me. They talk about it's
demons and I say, "Well, I'm good with
Jesus. I'm not worrying about demons.
I'm not going to worry about that. I
don't think they're demons. I don't Why
would they? They don't have to fly
around in some craft to to, you know,
it's just to me it's it's hard to
imagine." But the um the underwater
thing was I was I was getting briefed by
an it was a former admiral came into my
office and Joe it was it was a very
friendly conversation and I'm always a
little couched because or a little I
hold back a little bit because I think
there's a scop going on with some of
these departments. I was uh briefed by
one of our alphabet agencies not long
ago and the final thing was somebody
said well why don't we got more
information says we just don't have the
funding for that congressman and you
know it's a and I know they're reading
the polling data and they're saying you
know well let's shake loose the money
tree for us and that's that's part of it
too and I warn people about that but um
I guess in a nutshell that's pretty much
it.
>> So when you first got in how long have
you been in government for? Well, eight
years in in um Congress. I was in our
state legislature in Tennessee 16 years
and then I was county mayor for eight
years.
>> So, was it when you got into Congress
that you first started getting inside
information about what's going on?
>> Yeah.
>> So, that was was that eight years ago or
like when was that?
>> Uh probably six years ago. Five or six.
Let's see. It was during Trump's first
administration. So, it would have been
about eight years ago.
>> And do you remember what it was? Do you
remember how you were introduced to it?
>> Uh yeah. Um, we we raised we just raised
total hell about it and then why
>> because it's a cover up. Nobody would
give us information.
>> What made you think it was a cover up?
Why did you think that?
>> I guess I just don't trust government.
I've been in government most of my life
and I just don't trust it. I don't
>> I understand that. But like was there
something that led you to want to pursue
this particular subject?
>> No, just it kind of pursued me after I
did that TMZ interview. people started
calling me and then people would um I
would get phone calls from people for
>> but the TMZ interview was fairly
recently, right?
>> No, no, no, no. That was that was one
that was that was that was what started
it all. It was seven or eight years ago.
I'm sorry. I don't I didn't explain it
very well.
>> So, so then so but you had an interest
from the time you were a child and then
getting into government. What was like
the first introduction where you had a
an idea that there's something going on?
>> When I started asking questions and um
and we just get to run around
>> like what kind of questions?
>> Like um what is what is this? Where are
you seeing these things? And we would
get people I would I had I had an
interesting meeting in my office um with
some people that were like uh nationally
known and they came by to see me and
they just wanted to talk to me about it
and I was um and and they started
telling me things and then I had a group
come to my house. I said y'all just come
by the office in DC and we'll talk. They
said we don't feel comfortable doing
that. And they came by the house and
they said can we hook up to your um
television? And I said, "Well, sure."
You know, and they hooked up the
computer to it. And they were showing me
um they were showing me objects that
were flying at And
granted, I'm not a, you know, I'm not an
astrophysicist by any stretch of
imagination, but they were showing me
things that were flying at at speeds
that were just that nothing compares.
And the and the angles that they were
taking would literally, and I've said
this before, and it grosses people out,
but it would turn you or me into a
ketchup package. I mean, we, you know,
you go this way and then boom, you're
going this way. And we have no no
capability of any of it. And now I've
been briefed so many times from on and
different different groups. Um, you
know, you know, we've we scrub missions
because these things are out there. We
um and then we tell everybody that's
involved to keep your mouth shut. And
then if you're a pilot and you come back
and say, "Hey, I've seen this." You
immediately pulled off the flight line.
I'm not a pilot or military person, but
flight line um is what I call it.
They're not able to fly and they're
given a psych evaluation and they're
given an 8h hour, they call it a
debriefing. It's I've been told by some
of the officers that have been involved,
it's really just an interrogation and
then you got that hanging on your record
and
>> so it influences them to stop.
>> They just keep their mouth shut. I I
literally had a guy tell me, Joe, that
he um he said his um um recorder, it was
an older style plane and he said, I
think he said it was close to his right
knee. And when he got that on his
recorder, he started smashing it with
his right knee to discombobulate it so
that it wasn't even cuz he didn't want
anything. He did not need it. He saw it.
He didn't need it in in on his record.
even if he saw it and it was on a dad
gum tape, they they drag you in. And so,
you know, myself, Luna, and um Matt
Gates went down to Florida to be um
briefed by Matt was told that some some
pilots had seen some things and they had
some photographs. And so, we go down
there and and again, we go in. I told
Matt, I said, "Matt, they don't give up
this stuff easy. We're going to go down
there and I have a bad feeling they're
going to turn us out. turn us out. Well,
we went down there and Joe, they briefed
us on some very um very serious issues
that they were dealing with with the
Chinese and um and and communist
infiltration and things going on um
around around Florida in in in the
ocean. And but they didn't never have
the the uh they wouldn't bring the
pilots in. Matt said, "Hey, I understand
all this, but this is not why we came
down here." And Matt's um you say what
you want to about Matt Gates, but he's
and he's a great orator and he's a great
attorney and he just started failing on
them. And he told him he said, "Here's
what's going to happen. You're going to
jerk me around." And I said, "I'm going
to subpoena you all. We're going to call
y'all back to Washington." And I
remember looking over in the corner at
the suits. And I and I said and I I
called them spooks cuz they were
obviously some sort of military
intelligence or CIA. And I leaned over
to Matt and I said, "The spooks are
getting nervous, brother." Cuz they were
kind of shifting around. And they shut
us down. They said, "No, we're not going
to do it." And Matt said, "I'm calling
whoever big Air Force was." He Matt was
on the um on one of the military
committees. And he called and um hour
later they stuck us up in this room and
um had microphones under the desk. I
remember Luna reached under and
unplugged them. And uh um they had a
nice fruit tray that you paid for it,
taxpayers. Thank you very much.
[laughter] So I went and it hit like a
jackass eating saw browsers. I was just
eating. I didn't care. And so um finally
[clears throat] I came back in an hour
and the guy says, "I don't know who you
all called, but you're going to get your
briefing. They're bringing the pilots
in." And literally they brought these
pilots in and they were in their um
their flight gear and they had just come
out of the planes and they were the ones
and they they described things and it's
been reported now. It's been imported in
public but it was um these craft that
were hovering for extended periods of
times and could shoot straight up at
incredible speeds that we don't have
capabilities of doing. And those are the
kind of thing and and too they're um
this was military people. These were top
people. These are like equivalent not
you know they just some of our top
people and I know folks are going to say
well it's probably the Russians. Well if
it's the Russians dad gamut they
wouldn't be tied up down in Ukraine for
how many years and and Putin's such an
egoomaniac he'd fly a saucer to
Pennsylvania Avenue get out and probably
wrestle Trump in the front yard or
something. You know bare chested ride a
unicorn or something. I don't know. If
it's China they'd own us even more than
they already do. And then people say,
"Well, it's ours, Burch. It's just ours
that they don't want to release it."
Well, think about this. President Trump
and he should have, and I give him great
credit for that, that pilot that got
knocked down over in Iran, we spent
untold millions of dollars to bring that
cat home. And we should have because it
sends a message to our enemies, and it
sends a message to our fighting men and
women that we're not going to leave you
behind, as many presidents have done
many times. There's no way on God's
green earth that they would risk a half
a billion dollar aircraft with something
flying around it and um and and risk
those guys' life and all that training
to put these guys in harm's way. And
that's and that's exactly what they're
doing. I mean, these things were buzzing
cockpits. It's it's not an everyday
occurrence. It's in certain areas. And
that's where the um the deep water thing
comes in. The deep water bases. I was
sort of misqued. I was just telling what
I was told and um but it makes a lot of
sense that that these deep water areas
are where we see a lot of sightings and
we see we've seen um
craft underwater
that do something over 200 miles an hour
that on the sonar pickup are as big as a
dad gum football field. The best we have
we don't have anything big as a football
field maybe in length but not in not
underwater anyway. And uh I you know the
best we can do is maybe upper 30 m an
hour maybe something like that. I don't
know but 200 miles an hour that's just
out of the question. And um these things
don't have a heat signature and
I hope I hope though that they they
release some of the footage that we've
seen and some that we haven't that we've
been rumored that's out there. What I'm
afraid though it's going to get so
sanitized and it's going to get cleaned
up. I mean, even Obama, he said, "Yeah,
there aliens out there." And then in a
recent interview, I saw just the last
week or so, he's backed up on that. I
was just kidding. I was just kidding.
You know,
>> well, I saw Trump when he was getting
interviewed, he said Obama should have
said that because it's classified. He
goes, "But I might release it. I might
make it unclassified."
>> And I hope he does. And I told him that.
I talked to the president about it and I
said, you know, Mr. President, it's like
it's like layers of an onion. Just keep
peeling it back. And I hope I hope he
does because
>> well he might be the only one that would
ever
>> only one with enough guts. Only one cuz
he's not beholden to that bunch. All
they done is try to bury him.
>> Right.
>> Yeah. So when these men came to you and
they hooked up the computer to your
television and showed you, did they tell
you why they wanted you to see this
stuff?
>> They just thought I should know about it
because I was asking the right
questions. And then shortly after that,
I was in in Go ahead.
>> I'm sorry. Were you told that you were
not supposed to tell people about this?
Were you?
>> No. But it's interesting. I had that
deep throat moment, you know, not the
porn version, the the um Richard Nixon
moment, you know, where I was walking in
the in the tunnel one day and a person
came up to me and it's always a friend.
It's always a friend that does this and
said, it was just the strangest
conversation and I'll never forget it
because he said, "Burchett," he said,
"Uh, you know, you're really pushing on
this UFO thing." And I go, "Yeah, yeah,
I am." He said, "Do you really think we
need to do this?" And I just kept
listening. I when I was a young man, id
have run my mouth and said, "I'll shut
up." But I listened to what he said. He
said he said, "I mean, you know, this
could upset the religious community and
and all this other I mean, some of this
stuff's just left unknown, you know."
And I said, "No, it's not." And the
government has no right to decide what I
can and cannot understand or handle or
see. And it to me and and every time,
Joe, let me tell you what they're going
to do. I had a two-page bill to for
disclosure. And Chuck Schumer had one
that was 60 pages, I believe, and he
modeled his after the Kennedy
assassination
uh committee release, which we're over
60 years into that. And we still don't
they haven't released everything that on
on President Kennedy getting shot. And
that's what they wanted to model this
dadum thing after. Mine was two pages
long. Of course, mine didn't get
anywhere. I was told by a member of
leadership they come and sit with me. I
call it cent's row. I sit on the back
row, second from the back on the aisle.
Everybody gets in trouble. They come sit
with me sometimes. And um and I was told
by a member of leadership that um that
the intelligence community was unhappy
with what I was doing. And then I got a
phone call from um a former member of um
President Trump's staff who told me that
I needed to um I forget his exact
terminology, but he said, "Oh," he said,
"You need to get some bodies around
you."
>> So, you know, and I I don't know what
that means. I mean, I'm the 435th most
powerful member of Congress, Joe. So, I
you know, they bump me off and it's
going to be like they'll they'll
there'll be one tear shed on the House
floor. They'll be because I owed
somebody $10. I didn't pay them back and
then they'll move on to the next guy.
So,
>> well, I'm sure you're aware of this
narrative about the missing scientists
and scientists that have turned up dead
and been killed
>> 100%. That's real. I think um I have a
theory on that. All right. I know it's
it's a little dangerous to throw these
things out, but and I and I I was on
maybe Fox one time and I just came up
with this. I say, say your family's
mobbed up, okay? And y'all own a nice
Italian restaurant and it's
worldrenowned and you're you're busting
at the seams, you know, and you're
franchising and putting out cookbooks
and everything. You got this one chef
who's who's the kingpin of all of it,
but you're afraid he's talking to your
competitors.
Now, you don't bump him off. What you do
is you rough up a few of the bus boys
and that sends a quick dad gum message
that you need to shut your mouth. And I
timing is everything and nothing happens
by accident in Washington DC. To me, I
think it's the timing is is it's uncanny
that you got a president, you know,
we've had these hearings in Washington.
you have a president that says he's
going to release stuff and all in that
same time frame before and after that
you're having some of these high um high
ranking officials disappear and to me
that's nobody disappears in this country
unless they they want to disappear. You
know, there's cameras everywhere and it
just to me it's just um it reeks of uh
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Limited time offer. Yeah, I thought one
of the things that I thought of is one
of the subjects that these people were
all they're all working on different
things, but they're working on
alternative energy sources.
>> Yeah, that's that's the um that's the
the I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cut you
off, but that's what ties them together,
I think. And and two,
>> um their one of them spouse said, "Oh,
my husband or wife or whatever did
anything with UFOs." Well, they don't
talk about it. It's actually
>> it's a pretty close-knit group. And uh I
always remember this. I knock on doors.
That's how I got elected. Nobody really
there's not a lot of people like me that
are come from a family of public
educators that get elected to Congress.
All right? Most of my contributions are
$25 and somebody wraps a Bible verse
around it and and tells me they're
praying for me. The big boys, they're
always for me the day after the
election. All right? They always say,
"Hey, let me write you a check." And we
were with you all along. I always say,
"Yeah, I felt it right there towards the
end." you know, but but I'm knocking on
this guy's door down in Farragut and um
and he he's putting his flag out. He's
an older gentleman. And I said I said,
"Hey, brother, did you serve?" And he
said, "No, you know, I mean, it's East
Tennessee, you know." And he kind of
held his head down, "No, I didn't. Um I
didn't." And I said, he said, "I worked
at Oakidge." And I said, "Brother," I
said, "My daddy was on Okinawa when they
dropped the bomb. They were getting
ready to invade mainland Japan." I said,
"If my mom and daddy were alive today,
they would hug you because that's they
put it together." And he told me, he
said, "Tim," before I left, he said, "A
funny thing." He said, "My wife worked
there, too." And you know, I did, she
worked on a um I think he said he was a
fuse or something and she was the worked
on the timer on the atomic bomb. He
said, "And I didn't know what she did
the entire time that we were working
there." That's called
compartmentalization. And that's what
you have here. And if I can elaborate
just a little bit more,
>> the um
>> you you're familiar with FOYA. I mean,
you're a member of the media freedom of
information act. And it means I can I
can request from a federal agency, the
FBI, they probably wouldn't give it to
me, but any information, but I can't go
after like Ford Motor Company. Okay. So,
what they've done is they've given this
information, these whatever if it's
craft, if it's material, if it's bodies,
I don't know a lot. I I have my
suspicions, but they've given them to
there's four or five major contractors
that you see that are always the ones
that are that are putting it out there.
There are missile defense systems.
They're they're coming up with this new
metallurgy, these new propulsion
systems. And I think that whatever they
had, they gave to them early on and they
they're the ones, but they're so far
disconnected from the government that I
can't touch it. And the people that are
working on it, there's nobody alive
around was around Roswell or any of that
stuff that was in and around those years
that's still alive or still working. So
all those people are gone. I mean,
that's the best that's the best secret
you can keep if you tell somebody and
they die. And that's that's exactly what
they've done. And uh you know, we've
been given um places, addresses, and
things, and everybody says, "Oh man, go
to you need to get out to Area 51,
Burchett, and see what's out there."
There ain't nothing at freaking Area 51.
Soon as we announce where we're going,
the U-Haul vans would have already been
there and left, you know, and um and so
what it's going to take is it's going to
take a scientist or somebody that's
going to have to walk out of one of
those dadgum labs before they're um
allowed to commit suicide. by shooting
themselves in the back of the head 10
times um with a shotgun or something. Um
and so
>> do you know the Bob Lazar story?
>> I do. I do. I've never met Bob. I know
um a buddy of mine I guess um friend of
mine I think sort of broke that story.
Um
>> George Knap.
>> Yeah. Nap. Nap. I'm sorry. I um haven't
slept much in the last 48 hours, but
yeah, George. I met him through all this
and it was a big honor because I grew up
watching George Knap. He's a cool guy.
>> He's awesome.
>> I love him. He comes to my office and we
hang out and I mean great people get,
you know, they get kind of stareyed when
they see somebody like yourself or Kid
Rock or somebody, but for me it was
George Knap because I mean, you know,
cuz I asked him I'd ask him stuff. He
goes, "Yeah, that was a report I did
when and and because I've, you know,
>> yeah, he's very careful about what he
says, too. He's not a guy who says
anything that he can't
>> and he documents it." You ever seen his
files? I mean, it's just um it's a
myriad of files. He's very even keeled
and fair in the way he assesses things.
He's not hyperbolic. The way he
describes things is like as clean and as
accurate as possible.
>> He's not trying to sell t-shirts really.
I He's a true journalist. I, you know, I
I wish other people would look at a guy
like that and say that's the way we need
to go with journalism.
>> A real journalist who didn't start off
with this whole UFO thing. He didn't
want to do I mean, he was an actual just
regular journalist until Bob Lazar
contacted him. Y
>> and that story um we've I've had Bob on
a couple of times. In fact, this is how
popular this idea is in the American
Zeitgeist.
>> The Bazaar episode of this ep of this
podcast is the most viewed episode that
I've ever had on YouTube.
>> Is that right?
>> Yeah. It's got 65 66 66 million views
right now.
>> Wow.
>> Yeah. I mean, a guy who's just talking
about how he used to work at S4, Area
51, site 4, where he was back
engineering UFOs,
>> right?
>> And there's a new documentary that he
just did uh called S4 where they used
CGI and they made models of the craft
and they made him like they brought him,
you know, they used this technology that
makes it look like he's a lot younger.
>> Yeah.
>> And they showed like what his experience
was. like completely recreated it and it
down to a tea and I I Jamie and I got a
chance to watch it with him with Bob and
Luigi the guy who made the film and it
was is I mean watching how emotional he
gets when he's in the room he's like
this is it this is this is I like it
freaks me out it like brings me back cuz
we're talking about 1988 1989 when all
this was going on
>> and he really you know I the last report
I saw it was and somebody interviewed
him in his house I mean he had like a
mid80s Corvette or something, you know.
He's not he not he hasn't cashed in on
it like everybody else seems to do.
>> No, he hasn't made any money off of it
and he's still just a legitimate
scientist. He runs United Nuclear Labs.
He's, you know, that's what he does and
he a brilliant guy and doesn't want the
attention. Like I it was very difficult
to get him to come back in a second
time, you know, and he wanted to wait
until this documentary was out and come
in and talk again, but he got freaked
out. He drank a lot of whiskey, you
know. He was like he gets weirded out by
it all. It's all like [clears throat] to
him the whole experience was very
surreal and strange and
>> well you got you got to figure he's the
one that escaped from all of it and is
still alive and somehow he got out and
was able to do it before they could
silence him. They tried to discredit
him, said he didn't work there. And then
I think he produced check stubs even.
>> Well, not just that. They tried to
pretend that he never worked at Los
Alamos Labs, but he was on the employee
roster. There was there was a lot of
stuff going on where they tried to
discredit him. But he went public
because he was afraid they were going to
kill him. You know, cuz the initial one
that he gave a fake name and he was a
silhouette and he told his story, but
then his home got broken into, his car
was getting broken into, he got shot out
on the highway. It got real weird. And
so he said, "Look, I've got to go
public." like like it might be the only
way to protect myself and he told the
whole story and he hasn't deviated from
that story
>> and that's that's what's really kind of
crazy cuz it's been you know what 40ome
years or close to
>> these guys they ask those questions you
know they always oh yeah well and they
say was it red no it's green and then
they were adamant that it was red 10
years ago everything about him has been
that he and I' I've seen
>> um there was a documentary on him and
they asked somebody to analyze him uh
you know was he telling the truth or not
and he
I think he's telling the truth.
>> Yeah, it doesn't seem like he's lying.
But I mean,
>> of course, I'm in the business. I'm in
Congress. So, yeah, he's an amateur.
We're professionals up there, brother.
[laughter]
You only think you can tell a lie.
>> Yeah. They're not very good at it. The
people in Congress that are liars, the
problem with liars is they don't really
have a good understanding of the truth.
Because if you're lying all the time and
you're forging this like fake narrative,
people see that and so that when you try
to say it as the truth, it doesn't come
off like the truth. There's a feeling
that people get when they talk to you.
Now, there's some real crazy people that
are that could just lie. Like really
insane. But generally, they lie about a
bunch of stuff. They don't just have one
lie from 1989.
>> The term pathological comes to mind. I'm
Yes. You know that that bass was this
big, you know. [laughter]
Well, his story though, one of the
interesting things is he was talking
about the ways in which the craft moved
and then decades later we have footage
that shows these crafts rotating in the
direction that they want to travel then
zooming off. And then of course there
was the Commander David Fraver incident
off the coast of San Diego in 2004. And
if that was our technology, the the
thing that puzzles me is if we had
something in 2004 that can go from
50,000 ft above sea level to sea level
in under a second.
I can't imagine that 22 years later
there would be no advances that it would
have leaked through into mainstream
technology. Well, the energy just along
that the energy it's um you know, we'd
heat our homes in the winter and cool
them in the summer, but then again, I
always throw out the war pimps. I'm not
my my daddy fought for this country and
I'm I'm not and you know, that's their
business is war and their business is
very good. Um they they will quickly um
you know, stand up and and and trash a
guy like Favor. Um he was um he
testified before our committee and I I
was I was taken by what he said I know
him pretty well now but we um
[clears throat] you know we had the
committee which was crazy. Uh we uh me
and Luna and um a bunch of others got
together and said, "Man, we got to do
this committee. This is we need to do
this." And so I went to the chairman and
he said, [clears throat] "Sure." And
then they sort of blew it off. And then
then they want and I go see the staff of
these committees. And that's that's the
that's the real problem in Washington.
Reagan said it best. Don't don't term
limit politicians. Term limit staff. You
know, I go in there and I'm told, "Yeah,
well, I think we want to just talk about
this Chinese hot air balloon is what we
want to really talk about." I said, "No.
Hell no. That's not excuse my language.
Heck no. Um, we want to um we want to
talk about dadum UFOs." What people are
calling us about constantly. I mean, it
was just getting so much airplay. And
then, um, I was told by some old-timers,
which was kind of cool. They said that,
you know, Tim, I've been here, some of
them been here 10, 15 years, and said
that was the most attended committee
that they could remember. They had to
open up another room so people could be
there. I walked out, I was on Fox that
morning, and um u I I was going out. I
left my office at 4:30 in the morning
and I was outside and I remember it was
hot because it was summertime and there
was people already outside lining up
that had come from all over the country
on their own dime. I mean these weren't
like wealthy people. I mean one guy said
this is our vacation this year. were
coming to this Dadgum committee meeting
and and Joe they were lined up around
the hall around everywhere and um that's
where I met Sean Ryan and um a bunch of
people and it was just it was amazing to
me and that's when Congress started
paying attention to it because they
realized the voters are paying attention
to it.
>> Yeah. I mean that might be the only way
to put pressure on them. the the thing
about the alternative energy sources.
What one of the things that I was
thinking is that if you were involved in
whatever petroleum like what whatever
your business is and there's something
put them out of business and the
Pentagon that was my point on the
Pentagon it would put them out of
business put the oil companies out of
business because they would even showing
a dadum hate signature. You know, if a
if a blackbird flies across my farm,
it's going to put out a dum heat
signature. And and through the um uh all
the technology we had, you know, as they
called them, the the tic tac
>> tic tacs. Yeah. They look like the
little little mint. And um and that's
what they were.
>> That's what Commander David Fraver saw.
>> Yeah. And not only saw, but there's
video footage of it. There's radar
footage of it. It's exhibiting travel
that's just beyond comprehension for
modern technology, for current state
technology. 100%.
>> But if these people were working on some
sort of new energy source or some sort
of new propulsion system, and you've got
to imagine there's a very small amount
of people that are on the cutting edge
of whatever this stuff is. If this is
like groundbreaking technology that's
not known by mainstream
physicists or whoever's working on it
and you only have a small group of
people, if you whack one of them, you
put a big stop to any progress,
especially if you get the main people,
the lead scientist, and that guy winds
up getting assassinated or winds up in
>> disappears. Yeah.
>> Disappear. The one lady was the weird
one. So, she's walking with her
>> Was she hiking or something?
>> Yes. walking with her friend. Uh her
friend turns around and talks to her and
then walks a little further, turns
around to say something again and she's
gone. Just gone. And they bring in dogs.
They have cadaavver dogs. They they
can't find her. There's no trace. No
one's seen her since. And this lady was
apparently, wasn't she, Jamie? Wasn't
she involved in some sort of alter
alternative technology? Alternative?
>> Yeah, I think she she metallurgy was her
deal. So you think these
>> whatever this craft or whatever have to
be
>> something and I you know I I said this
earlier on one time and it made a lot of
sense. I was surprised that something I
said did but it sort of stuck. You know
it's like well why don't they just bring
it all out now if they've got it. I
don't think we've got the technology to
figure out what the heck it is. Like I
ride motorcycles. I got an old 47 Indian
Chief. If I were to take that thing back
to the when they came over in the
Mayflower, right? You know, they would
see it and think that's kind of unusual.
They might worship his as a god. I know
I sometimes do when I go out to the
garage, but but uh but you know, they're
going to they're not going to be able to
adjust the valves. They're not going to
know what the heck spark plug is. They
probably wouldn't be able to figure out
how to make a fuel with a high enough
octane for the thing to kick over,
>> right?
>> Um and and I think that and they might
polish it. They might get it started.
And I think that's sort of where we're
at with this stuff, Joe. I think it's uh
I I think a lot of them have something
and they just don't know what the heck
to do with it.
>> Well, that's Bob Lazar's take on it. And
that was his take on it when he was
working there in 1989. He said they
understood how to turn it on. They
didn't exactly understand how it worked
or what it did. And they wanted him to
try to figure it out. those guys that
came to my house um they they talked
about that and how these something could
travel at these light years and and um
one of them was an astrophysicist and
and I don't really understand
astrophysics but um it took me six years
to get out of UT and I didn't drink or
smoke pot so I'm just going to elaborate
a little bit here if [laughter] that's
all right with you brother have a degree
in shop technological adult education I
can fix your lawn mower I can burn your
house down if you need it wired but I'll
always have a job but so you got
something vibrating ating over here and
then instantly it's over here, right?
>> And that that's sort of the way they
explained it, put it on my level to
understand it. And I mean to me it
proves that there's a God. I mean
because it's an instantaneous travel
that we don't quite comprehend. Now is
there friction involved? Is and and
that's where the um um when they see
these blobs out there that are floating
around um they um that are lit up. I've
had several people tell me about that
how these um there was one incident
where they surrounded a group of our
aircraft and um and it was dur and a lot
of them deal with nuclear weapons. It
seems that we're around some nukes.
We've had I always remember I went in
and um it's been a long time since you
had a man bun. So I'm going I'm going to
knock on this. had this bureaucrat with
a dad gum man bun telling telling me I
asked him about a certain incident and
he said we don't have data points on
that congressman and I said what about
this deal and he said I don't know what
you're talking about I said well google
it everybody in the world knows about we
had a we had a nuclear power plant that
had these things fly over and the dad
gum thing shut down I mean it's been
documented it has been documented
unequivocally and you know and and
that's that and then then you have
members of Congress go well they said it
didn't exist so we're out you know, I'm
good. And I'm like, no, no. I'm sitting
there reading these officers that are
obviously very I read people. God gives
us all a gift. My gift is reading
somebody. And I was reading these these
military officers and, you know, they
had the full in they had all of it. You
know, they'd been serving for a while
and some of them had done some things.
And um I could just sit there reading
them. They're thinking this little twerp
right here beside me. I'd choke him out
if I could. You know, I mean, they were
just like they were angry. No, not at
me. At him at him because they wanted to
tell something and this was a Biden
appointee and you know it just
>> and and and and that's a lot of the
times we I was in one situation I'll
just call it where they sent somebody in
basically just to disrupt and you know
to throw at a at at at a witness and um
and that witness just it was like a he
was like a pro ball player hitting
T-ball man. He was just knocking them
out of the dad gum park every said what
about and he gave a date and he said oh
you're talking about this incident well
let me tell you what happened there and
and he would go through everything and
it was and it was beautiful it was
beautiful and then he got disgusted and
end up leaving the meeting and you know
and and that's they they send people in
to disrupt they're just not going to
turn and I don't know if the fact that
and and the corruption in Washington DC
is not like it used to be you know it's
not like oh I got a picture of you
sleeping with some hooker over in
Istanbul, you know, oh, make copies. I
want to take it to my buddies. I mean,
that's about the that's about what you'd
get now. But way it is now is I think is
that some members have a family member
or a wife and or girlfriend that could
work for one of these groups
>> and they're told,
>> "Hey, you want to keep your dad gum job
or you want these pictures to come out
or whatever? I we need a little help
here." And then they go disrupt and come
into the committee meetings and ask
ridiculous questions to try to get a a
partisan fight going.
>> And maybe some of them do it unbeknownst
to them what they're being told to do,
but they do it because they're they're
just lap dogs.
>> So there's a strategy where they have a
bunch of people that they sort of
compromise as disruptors and they
>> and they are compromised. Exactly.
That's the word. I I was on a I'm going
to say another one. I was on the Benny
show early when he was early on and um
and I was talking
>> Johnson.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Um and so um he's been very kind to me
and so he um he asked me about how do
they do it and I said, "Well, they used
to do this thing called the honeypot.
You know, they you'd go to some you go
on I never go on trips. The only trip
I've ever been on a Kodell was to uh the
border down here uh down in Texas. And I
um I went down for one day, flew down
here, saw the border, saw all the people
coming over the border, got in an
airplane, flew home. I was it was about
18-hour trip. It wasn't any luxurious. I
stayed in a room that my buddies at the
frat house would have probably asked for
our money back in. It was pretty rough,
you know. Got some good barbecue,
though. But anyway, so I um these guys
go on these trips and say you're sitting
down at the bar. I mean, you're a
good-looking guy. some girl comes up to
you or some guy, whatever your interest,
whatever your proclivities are and
laughing at your jokes and you know,
next thing you know, you're up in the
bedroom,
>> right,
>> naked with them. And then you think,
man, I pulled off the great I pulled
this off. I was with this smoke show and
my wife and kids don't know about it and
I'm just going to, you know, me I'm just
just me just between me and the Lord.
And then you know you're getting ready
to make a key vote and one and a staffer
comes up or or a lobbyist or something.
You're in the hall and says, "Hey,
congressman said 'Yeah man, how's it
going?" I said, 'He got this big vote.
Yeah, but I I'm not for y'all on this
one. Okay, we understand. He said, "Hey,
um were you in a motel room in in
Istanbul with a pretty red head one
time?" And they and they say, "Man, I
don't want that out. It'll wreck my No,
we don't want it out. We don't We just
need your help." And that's how they
sink their claws into you. They used to
and they might do that now. But I was on
the Benny show and I was talking about
that. Oh man, I caught it from I mean as
leadership and members, man, everybody
thinks we're sleeping. I said I didn't
say everybody. I just said some of y'all
are. I said, you know, don't don't and
every day you can there's a new one
getting in trouble. So it's not any big
secret. Um 435 of us. So
>> you get 435 people. You're going to have
a few freaks in there. Ouch. [laughter]
435 group of any human beings.
>> Yeah. Any you go to
>> especially, you know, if you can
compromise a man with beautiful women,
it's not that hard to do.
>> Or if they're if they're gay and they
don't want it out in their in their
public or whatever. So
>> I I said this to Benny and and I and I
caught it and then about a week later a
week later and I I said it's probably
the Chinese, the Russians or something.
They busted a Chinese prostitution ring.
And what did they list as their
clientele? [laughter]
Lobbyists, government employees, and
politicians,
>> of course.
>> And then what happened the next week?
That story went away. And Benny had does
this thing. He showed me walking out and
he like I throw a match and the and the
whatever behind me just burst into
flames and I'm walking out, you know.
It's really cool. And um uh he also did
a song of me singing Dad Gum, which is
my cuss. I don't cuss, I say Dad Gum.
and he did that. But anyway, but that
was my point is that they use this stuff
and they know what we want. They, you
know, these guys, these countries, they
know uh they own the internet, so they
know which porn you look at at your in
the privacy of your home that you think
you're, you know, you got this private
name on your freaking computer and they
know, you know, and so that's what
they're going to hit you with. So
anyway, that's that's a long story, but
it's I think mostly it's just jobs now.
>> Mostly jobs and influence and figuring
out Well, you think about you get a dirt
bag, you're going to get him to sleep
with some hooker. You know, that that's
going to happen, you know, eventually,
too. But I just don't I don't know if
it's that prevalent. And I had a
lobbyist tell me one time,
>> he was uh his name was Tom Hensley. He
was the golden goose. He was a liquor
lobbyist in Nashville, Tennessee. And he
was a caricature of what a lobbyist is.
He three-piece suit, big old cowboy
boots, smoking a cigar. And we were at
the Crown Plaza. He liked me because I
never would vote for his liquor bills,
but I never would vote for a tax on them
either. So, um he he um he we were there
and the guy from the governor's office
came and just chewed both of us out, you
know, just treated me. I'm a legislator
and he was treating me like a dog and I
and he and Goose is sitting back there
and he had that fancy Jack Daniels black
label or whatever it is that the fancy
version of it is cuz he represented Jack
Daniels made in Tennessee. And he pulls
that big $5 cigar out of mouth and he
goes, "Burch it." He goes, "Governors
come and go, but the old goose will be
sitting right here." And he said, I
said, 'What are he gonna do? Is he gonna
shut you down, man? All these, you gonna
tell these people stuff? He goes,
Burgett, I just need one chairman. I
don't need the whole in one body of the
house, you know, the House or the
Senate. I just need one chairman that'll
listen to me. And he wasn't saying he
never did anything crooked in front of
me and he never offered me any bribes or
anything, right? But that was a good
lesson to learn as a young man when I
was in the state legislature. Well, if
you just think about how much money
Congress people wind up leaving office
with, just that alone is incentive to
play ball.
>> Wait a minute. You don't mean you don't
think we're making 16,000% on our own
knowledge? [laughter]
>> I got my daughter called me a while back
and said, "Dad, um, and she's super
smart. She's do anything. I'm
veterinarian doctor. I brain surgeon.
She's crazy smart. I married my wife and
adopted her. My wife was a widow, so
genetically she's not mine. But when she
gets into trouble, my wife says, "That's
all you, Tim Burton." But she's a
exceptional little girl. And she said,
"Dad, I think I'd just like to cut
hair." And I was like, "Right on, girl.
You go undo it." And u and that's what
she does. I mean, she's she's going to
school to do that. So, I cashed out my
$11,000 portfolio, which was a mutual
fund because I think and I don't own any
individual stocks, but I think that
members of Congress ought to do that.
That was my bill. You don't own more
people, Joe. more people have played
professional baseball than have ever
been in in Congress. Um, you know, it's
it's a very it's a very tight it's a
very and I tell people if you don't get
off that dad gum plane and look at that
capital and get chill bumps, you need to
get your butt back on that plane and go
home because we don't need you there.
And everybody knocks on Pelosi and I
know that. But out of the top 10, you
know where she is in the in the amount
of trades,
>> where is she at?
>> Number 11. She's not even in the top 10,
dude.
>> Well, she should get a better PR person.
>> It's crazy cuz everybody uses her as an
example.
>> I know, but she don't care. I mean, if
you were making 16,000%, would you care?
>> Oh, I would be a little concerned that
someone would come for me.
>> Ah, she's all right. She
>> Well, it's just bizarre that it's legal.
That's the most bizarre.
>> Oh, it's it's it's it's not right. It's
not right, but it's it's it's legal. And
I just said, "Look, you cash out
everything. You put it in a mutual fund.
And I know they got this bill and
everybody's all fired up for it. And I'm
not a I'm don't know what I'm going to
do about it. I'm bill. They got a new
bill. They don't like my bill. Mine and
Luna's bill that says that you um you
can't own individual stocks. Just own a
mutual fund. They're going to let you
keep your portfolio. So, and some of
these cats got a $20 million dad gum
portfolio.
>> And they made $170,000 a year, which is
amazing. Imagine the average person out
there making $170,000 and all a sudden
they make
>> a hundred million
>> in the stock market.
>> And we're we're involved
and I not all of them are crooked. Some
of them are they are geniuses. I've been
in Congress with some real geniuses but
you know if you see I'll give you a case
in point. All right? And I've said this
many times and nobody's
uh come after me and said you know they
told me to quit saying it but I don't
care. I got a dag on first amendment. I
don't care. They can't they come to
knock to East Tennessee and try to beat
me. But but they um if if uh uh I forgot
what I was saying now, man. I've lost my
mind. I guess that's part you're going
to have to cut out.
>> Oh, no. It's We're talking about insider
trading. We're talking about the amount
of money that people generate.
That's where we're at. We're talking
about
>> genius. Someone's a genius. Really good
at it.
>> Yeah. I'm trying to think. I forgot it.
I've got so many oneliners in my head,
Joe. [laughter] I should have written
all these down. Written all these down.
But anyway, um they they all not not all
of them are crooked. Some of them are
are really are that good. But I'm sure
>> but Oh, I know what it was. It was it
was um uh when Russia and invaded
Ukraine. I haven't voted for a dime for
that. It's not our dad gum war. I don't
I I keep keep my dollars here. We need
to defend our own dad gum borders. Well,
Joe Biden, for better for worse, gave
Ukraine basically our missile defense
system. So immediately we had to
replenish our missile defense system.
Now who do you think owns stock in that
in those missile defense systems?
Members of Congress.
>> Yeah.
>> Members of Congress. And apparently some
of them had bought it at at fairly close
to those time periods. And so
>> I don't know. Are they doing something
crooked? I don't I mean you can't prove
it.
>> Well, if it's not crooked, they know
things that would help them.
>> And I just they are remove all reproach.
And if you if you got a $20 million
portfolio or whatever, some probably
have more than that, you know good and
dad gum well, you're going to vote. It's
in the back of your mind, you're going
to vote to make my my investment worth a
little more.
>> Yeah. So, the possibility of financial
windfall would probably make people play
ball,
>> which makes sense. Which makes sense.
Sure. Human nature. You got you got guys
up there that are that, you know,
they've got they got expenses at home,
got a couple kids in school, got
payments on a house, you know, and
>> $170,000 doesn't go as far as it used
to, I guess.
>> And they just human nature. You want
more. People want more. They they want,
you know, whatever it is.
>> And a lot of times it's not them
investing, it's their,
>> you know, their wife or their spouse.
And we've seen cases of that where,
>> you know, a 16-year-old kid is
>> doing pretty well,
>> right? And it's a child of someone who
has some inside information. There's
something that just came out yesterday
about Roana, this a guy Kevin Bass uh on
Twitter posted this big long he this
examination of his stock trades and how
much money he's made and how he's made
it and what he's done. And there's I
mean it's just all over Congress. It's
you have inside information. That's what
it is.
>> That's disappointing. I know, Ro. But,
you know,
>> I don't know if it's true.
>> Yeah. I don't know. I mean, you could
pull it up if you want, Jamie. It's uh
Kevin Bass, B A S. It's Bass or Bass.
I'm not sure how to pronounce his last
name, but he made this very detailed
post about it. But, I mean, that's just
one example of one person who's
profited. I'm sure it's probably minor
in comparison to the other 11 that are
ahead of Nancy Pelosi.
>> I sleep on my couch in my office and I
shower in the gym. I don't have a place.
I can't afford it. It's too expensive up
there. I was so When I got elected with
a guy one time and he said when we got
elected, he said, "Hey Burch, I just
paid $1.2 million for this place. What
do you think?" And I know he was just
bragging to me, you know, because I no
way I could do something like that. And
he said, um, and I said, "Well, probably
in a couple years they're going to say,
I can't believe you only paid $1.2
million for it because, damn, the price
of that that real estate up there is
just crazy. It is crazy." And
it's a rich man's game. It is really a
rich man's game.
>> And the problem with being around rich
men is even if you're rich, you don't
feel like you're rich if you're in
comparison to them. And so if you're
worth a couple million and this guy over
here is worth 50, you're like, "Damn, I
got to up my game.
>> I got to up my game." you're in this
sort of culture, this culture of a bunch
of people that are investing a bunch of
money and making a bunch of returns and
>> and I I'll tell you one it was a public
meeting. I remember it was in
transportation that we dealt with some
technology in an airport and it was
pretty cool and um I just asked the
question I said uh is that is your stock
publicly traded? And you know, I looked
I was watching people see what they did.
Then they all looked up, you know, and I
thought, note to self, call my broker
when I walk out of here. You know,
[laughter]
>> it's just very odd that that has been
legal for so long. That's what's very
odd.
>> It's disgusting. And all here's what
we're going to do. We'll pass some bill
and the Senate will pass another bill or
phone just won't take it up, which is
we're seeing a lot of now. won't take
anything up and it'll die and we'll all
go back back to um our people and say,
"Oh, look, I tried to do this. I voted
for this bill, but you know, I didn't
get a I didn't get a dead gum break, you
know, and and look how tough we are."
And and or or you know, and and they'll
all be up at Kenny Bunkport sipping
expensive wine and toasting each other
on their great financial choices.
>> That's where Bush is from, right?
>> I don't know. I think so. Yeah. Yeah.
>> I think they're from Kenny Bunkport,
Maine.
>> Yeah. I just threw that one out. It's
the only place I could think of, Myrtle
Beach, South Carolina for somebody like
me would be pretty cool.
>> So, one of the things about this uh
disclosure thing, um the documentary uh
Age of Disclosure. Yeah. And you're in
that.
>> Um it's really great. If you haven't
seen it, folks, and you're interested in
the UFO phenomenon, one of the
fascinating uh aspects about age of
disclosure is you got all these insider
people that are all talking about all
these different experiences that people
have had and all this stuff that people
know. And one subject came up that made
a lot of sense and it was that if there
have been back engineering programs and
they've have had access to all this
technology and they've had crashed
vehicles and biological entities and
they've been all these programs studying
this for so long they had to have
funding. So if they had funding that
means they had to lie to Congress. So if
they had a lie to Congress there's
misappropriation of funds. So you're
talking about massive fel felonies. So
if they don't have some sort of amnesty,
and this is one of the things that's
pushed throughout this entire
documentary is that we need some kind of
mass amnesty.
>> I'm a very skeptical person. I see
something like that, I'm like, "Okay, I
see what you're doing. You are talking
about UFOs so you can get some sort of
amnesty for misappropriation of funds."
And that might just be straight up
fraud. There might be fraud and theft
and you might have moved money into
offshore accounts and there's must might
a bunch of shady and you could say,
"Oh, but we'll tell you some very
obscure information about UAPs." I don't
like that term because it was always
UFOs.
>> UFOs. That was that was a misdirection.
I hate that term.
>> Why do we need a new name? We've already
had that name forever.
UFOs is fun. UAPs makes me this feels
sanitized. [snorts]
>> But if they can give you some
you know, semi shady information. Now
you've got amnesty. Now you've got
amnesty. And you've got amnesty for
decades of misappropriation of funds. So
maybe
>> some of it is real. Maybe a lot of it is
real. Maybe a lot of it is really back
engineering programs. Maybe they really
have been doing these things. and maybe
they can give us slowly trickle down
some insight as to what's going on.
It'll probably take forever if you ever
get anything out of it. But in the
meantime, all these people that have
made who knows how much money in shady
ways with all this misappropriation of
funds and now they're not in trouble
anymore.
>> Yeah. Representative Eric Berles has a
bill to do just that and it was but it's
it's whistleblower protection is the way
you need to go about that. M
>> and um and and he can't he's tried to
get it attached to bills and he we just
won't allow it. They won't allow it or
they put it on and kill it in the
Senate. You know, it's the same old
game, Joe, [snorts] back and forth. So
then the other problem that's brought up
in age of disclosure is say if you do
have a retrieved craft from wherever
another planet another dimension
whatever it is from the ocean whatever
it is and you need to study this thing.
What where are you bringing it to? Most
likely you're going to bring it to a
weapons manufacturing company
>> 100%.
>> And so if you do that well what about
the other companies? They don't have
access to that. Well then they can sue.
are thinking why didn't I get access to
that sort of technology why does this
person you've damaged my business or you
know what have you and also people have
probably lied under oath about whether
or not those things exist or what where
they got certain technologies
I mean there's a bunch of different
reasons why you could see why logical
reasons why you could see why they would
try to try to put the brakes on
disclosure and try to put some blockades
up and try to obiscate and make things
much more difficult to get through.
>> I agree
100%. And that's why I think these folks
disappearing and dying unexpect
unexpectedly are
>> Yeah.
>> are delivering some of those messages.
>> Yeah. It's
>> and members of Congress will um you
know, several of the people that have
been involved that are really heavily
into it now, they were real skeptics. We
kind of brought them in. I needed some
skeptics. It couldn't just all be a
bunch of folks that thought like I did.
and um and they're now not skeptics.
>> Can you give me some examples of like
how that happened?
>> Yeah. Uh well, we had a committee
meeting and um my buddy Eric Burlson for
instance, he was he was a skeptic and um
and and I mean I'm a skeptic of a lot of
it myself, but I just have been studying
for sedum along and he um you know he he
was in the committee and and he's asking
very poignant sharp questions which is
what you're supposed to do in a hearing.
and um he you know he's he's one of the
biggest advocates now for total release
of every of everything matter he's he's
always at the forefront of writing
legislation when we're doing something
we're always me him and Luna um Jared
Moscowitz and the and the on the
Democrat side is is involved in it a lot
and uh you know and and other members
will come in and say hey can um I want
to be read into this committee or what
which means they can come on when we do
the UFO stuff, but nothing really had
the impact as that first committee
meeting. And I told people at the end of
it, I was recognized at the end. I said
the one thing about and Nancy Mace, of
course, she's involved with as well. And
one thing um at the end I said, you
know, find I just want y'all to know
that that people do believe you. This is
not some crazy far out thing. And you
all are have a right to be skeptical and
and and ask questions of your government
and get these answers because
we're not going to give it to you
without without y'all without y'all
being there and raising these questions.
>> Well, there's too many stories from too
many credible people, too many people
like Ryan Graves, too many people like
Commander David Fraver. There's too many
people that you just go, I don't know
why this person would lie about this one
thing.
>> Can Can I tell you one that I got on?
Um, I was in the state legislature with
a guy and uh and he was watching um
Unknown Aliens or something and they
they film you one time and then they use
you for like three years. Ancient
Aliens.
>> Ancient Aliens. I'm sorry. Great. I love
that show. I love those guys. They're
all great. I love it. I love it.
>> Shout out to Giorgio Giorgio Suclair.
>> I love that guy. He's I think he's
Greek. I need to get him to Knoxville
for for the Greek festival. But anyway,
he'd [snorts] be a rock star there. But
so, um, uh, again, we're, you know, I'm
losing my my train of thought here, Joe.
I don't even smoke weed and I'm losing
my train of thought. What were we
talking about here? I hope you edit some
of this cuz I look We're talking
about disclosure. We're talking about
things that people see.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I was telling you about So,
I'm I pick up the phone and buddy of
mine says, "Timbo." And I recognized the
voice. I said, "Hey, brother. What are
you up to?" We were in the state house
together. He said, 'I just saw you on
Ancient Aliens.' And I said, 'Okay.'
[laughter] And I thought, here it comes.
You know, [snorts] hey, you've been
probed lately. You know, you get that
stuff from some of the guys gals in
Congress.
>> And he said, "Can I tell you a story?"
And I said, "Sure, buddy." And his voice
kind of got quiet.
>> And I remember he hollered at his wife.
He said, "Hey." Said her name. He said,
"Uh, when what year was that?" Is when
he was in the Navy. And she said it was.
And she gave the date. It was I think in
the 50s. And [clears throat] he was out
on a boat. and I don't know, you know,
battleship from an aircraft carrier, but
anyway, he's out on a boat and they were
arming a sub with um with nukes. It was
in the early part of that where the subs
could launch nuclear weapons and they
were all out on the deck and all of a
sudden it got there's just a cloud over
them. He said he looked up and he saw
this humongous saucer in the air and he
said he said Timbo he said if that thing
wasn't two block if that thing wasn't
two blocks long I I'll kiss your butt
and I said and and he described it to me
you know he said he gave the color and
he and it was the classic saucer he said
there was lights coming out of portals
around it and he said it made no noise
whatsoever and it just sat there and
hovered and they just looked up at it
and then it just went it just went
straight up. No noise, no nothing, no
anything. And um I mean I was just like,
"What the heck was that?" You know, and
so when they get back to port, [snorts]
the guys in the suits come on the the
you know, the so-called men in black. I
just they're just spooks CIA or
something and told them they said, "This
is national security. if you talk about
this uh we'll um you'll be in
Levvenworth the rest of your dad lives
busting rocks and back then that you
know nobody the cell phone wasn't
invented Al Gore hadn't invented the
internet yet.
>> What year was this?
>> It would have been in the uh the 50s
late 50s late 50s I believe [snorts] or
early 60s. So, and then but he gave me
some descriptions and after this came
out, I mean my phone, Joe, every day
when this started breaking, I would get
somebody would call me and send me
pictures of something, you know, that's
like a reflection or something, you
know, and oh, come out to my house. All
right, I'm afraid I was going to end up
in a freezer in North Carolina or
something, you know, [laughter] be
somebody's dinner. And I was like,
[snorts] I don't want to go out there
and look at it. Just send me a picture
of it. And every day, but then I get I
got a call from a guy who was Air Force
and I and I I Googled him. He's legit.
And he told me about a um a sighting he
had. He was out um they were out fishing
um in Florida and and it was near where
one of the military bases was and this
thing and he described exactly what my
buddy had seen and this he saw this in
the um I think the early 80s and or late
70s and he described this craft that was
just hovering and it was just going
along and these then you know it was
just going on a pretty good click and he
said these jets were trying to keep up
with it. he could tell by the, you know,
because he's an Air Force guy and
[snorts] he was an officer and um it was
legitimate and I've since read the story
that he told, but um but it was it was
strangely identical
>> in the the the color,
>> the you know, the texture was it was an
off gray, I believe. And um and but it
didn't really matter, but it was just
the same one that they said. could have
been chartreuse for all I know. But they
um but the the the size and the uh
circumference and the um the the dome on
top and the port holes and just
everything was just very very similar to
what this guy had told me about just a
few weeks prior. And you when you see
identical things of people that have no
contact with each other to me that that
says something. And with these pilots
they're risking their careers to come
forward. And those engineers in Age of
Discovery that come forward, their their
reputations and everything are on the
line,
>> right? These aren't rich people. They
can't just retire.
>> No. And they're good folks. I've hung
out with them when came when they had
the world premiere, which was something
else. Me standing on a red red carpet. A
little out of place in that
at at a film festival.
>> Yeah. No, I'm sure I avoid those things.
They're weird. But this uh this subject
when you talk about them uh appearing
over bases, appearing over aircraft
carriers, appearing over submarines that
have nuclear capability,
it kind of makes sense that if you were
from another planet or you're from
another dimension or wherever it is and
you're monitoring what seems to be the
most intelligent species and the most
capable species on the planet that when
they would get access to something like
that, like all The UFO sightings ramped
up considerably after World War II.
After we dropped the bombs.
>> After we dropped the bomb.
>> Yeah. There was a considerable amount of
activity. You know, that's when Kenneth
Arnold first saw those things and talked
about them as flying saucers.
>> Called them flying saucers.
>> Washington State. Is that what that was?
They look like said they look like stone
skipping across the look like little
saucers.
>> Yeah. So that's where the term first got
introduced into the modern world. And
then you see so many of them and then
you hear these stories about them going
flying over nuclear bases and hovering
over and shutting down the equipment and
just the fact that they would hover over
that submarine and then take off. Just
to let you know like that's what we can
do. It was probably a smart move if you
if you don't want to completely
intervene and like kidnap people and
shut down the government and land on the
White House lawn and freak everybody
out. What better way than to take
something that's completely isolated
like a submarine in the ocean where you
know everybody's going to lock
everything down top secret and just show
yourself and just like hey like
we're here we're here and we are
watching everything so don't do anything
stupid
>> you know you talked about that that that
issue or episode I remember when they um
at first I've never been invited back of
course but the um intelligence committ
committee when they did the UFO thing
[snorts] and there was they had these
all these seats and it was an open to
the open to the everybody, Congress and
the press and everybody and they had all
these seats behind these this white bl
this white guy and this black guy who
were appointed to oversee the UAP issue
which um and I remembered I thought I'm
going to get there early, get the seat
down front and I sat right behind those
guys and nobody else showed up. I was
the only member of Congress outside of
the members in the in the um in on the
committee. And Joe, those guys couldn't
spell UFO. I mean, they were
intelligent. They were um I'm sure
they're patriots. They had no clue about
anything. So, there's questions asked
about certain incidents and uh we don't
know anything about that, you know. And
I thought to myself, that's when the
compartmentalization
uh came to in my mind, how they
compartmentalize that stuff because to
them, they could take a lie detector
test and say, I don't know anything
about it. Because they are kept away
from it. It's like they're looking down
the barrel of a .22 rifle, man. It's
just a little bitty area and they don't
get outside that area and they don't ask
questions and they don't unless they're
told.
>> And if you want to keep your career,
that's how you have to operate
>> and your pension and everything else.
Absolutely. It makes sense. That that
aspect of it makes sense. Um what
doesn't totally make sense is why now
disclosure other than [snorts]
um I mean this is being cynical. The
Iran war is not going very well.
American public's very upset. A lot of
people don't think we should have ever
been involved in that in the first
place. And we need some good news.
>> I think we um some I
>> we need something to distract us. We
need something to take our focus off of.
If I was gonna do it, now would be the
time I'd do it. Yeah. But yeah,
>> I I don't think Trump really even cares.
I think he just wants to get it out
there.
>> Well, I think he does, too. You know,
he's talked about it. Like, and he's
also
>> I mean, no, I mean, I don't think he
cares about
um trying to get a everybody off off
target, you know, by by disclosing UFOs.
I think he cares about all of it, but I
don't think he cares that if they're
talking about it or not. I just think he
he genuinely sees that America needs to
know this stuff. Well, he also realizes
America wants to know it and he's an
outsider. I mean, even though he's the
president, he is in a lot of ways he's
an outsider. And
>> I mean, this is his last term,
>> right? And so, it's like if you're going
to if someone's going to do it, do it.
You want to leave a legacy, be the guy
who releases all these files.
>> I tried to kill him three times. Yeah.
So, you know, it's not and that ain't no
>> Did you see that judge that apologized
to the guy that Did you see the story?
>> No. Okay. The guy who was at the White
House correspondents dinner that shot
one of the Secret Service agents and the
guy got arrested. Yeah. The judge who's
dealing with the case apologized to him
for his treatment in jail.
[laughter]
>> Do you have that, Jamie? See if you can
find that.
>> He should have gotten some quality stick
time.
>> This is another guy. This judge also uh
released another man who was arrested
for threatening to kill Trump.
>> Oh,
Trump derangement syndrome is real,
dude. It's ridiculous.
>> But the way this guy addressed this man,
it's almost as if he was condoning it.
Look at it. Says, "The indictment comes
the day after the judge overseeing the
case against Allen expressed grave
concerns about how he's being treated in
jail and apologized to him in court."
You're talking about a guy who showed up
with a rifle or a shotgun.
>> Shotgun,
>> shot a Secret Service agent, obviously
in the vest. The guy's okay. But
whatever you've been through, I
apologize for the prior week. Magistrate
Judge Zia Farukqui, I don't know if I'm
saying that right, said during a hearing
in Washington DC on Monday. According to
the court documents filed over the
weekend, Allan had been in solitary
confinement oh poor baby at the DC jail
after being placed on suicide watch
after his arrest on April 25th. His
lawyers said that he was housed in a
permanently illuminated safe cell with
no access to personal items or jail
visits despite repeated assessments
showing he did not exhibit any suicide
factors. In an order issued on Sunday,
uh Farooqi uh wrote that he had grave
concerns about the conditions Allen was
being kept in, which he said were
seemingly unprompted by the facts of the
case. It could drive a person crazy to
be in that situation. Fugly said during
Monday's hearing that is really crazy.
>> That is that is really a crazy thing to
apologize for someone who was trying to
at least assume you're you're assuming
he was trying to kill the president.
>> The guy's been programmed to do this. He
immediately turns,
you know, from one way to the other
overnight almost. And this is and we're
seeing this more and more. I think I
think
>> What do you mean the guys have been
programmed?
>> I think these people are um [snorts]
>> You mean like MK Ultra type programming?
>> 100%.
>> Really?
>> I think so. But it's a different, you
know, MK, you're the expert on it.
>> Um, not really. Well, don't say that.
>> Well, [laughter] no. I don't want to get
you bumped off.
>> Knows [clears throat] what about it.
>> Let somebody else go start your car when
you walk out there and wait 30 minutes.
>> Make me an expert.
>> Yeah. [laughter]
>> I know nothing. But you know that the
CIA they they were grabbing these people
up and giving them I guess acid or LSD
whatever and then programming them and
then then they said they weren't doing
it and then they got sued and they said
oh we we lied. We were doing it but
we're not doing it anymore. Now which
time are they not? So here's here's my
thought on this. I think you've got a
bunch of people today because of this.
It's just open up
>> open up your head and pour it in. and
they can put these things out to people
just enough to where they know that
there's going to be a reaction. There's
some people, you and I are going to read
this stuff and go, "Ah, you know, and
there's some people that are just going
to stay awake at night and just fume." I
know people that read stuff and they'll
call me and text me and said, "Can you
believe this?" And I'm like, "Dude, man,
I live this stuff. Cool out. We're good.
We're okay." And I think that these
folks, they know who they are and they
can they can target them. You know, how
many of these people are going to be are
we going to find that have no internet
access, have no history of being on the
internet, you know,
>> like Thomas Crooks.
>> Yeah. That that's just that's just total
BS. Total BS. Oh, we couldn't we let him
on the roof and you know, and and then
>> also they couldn't get snipers on that
roof because the slope was too steep.
>> Yeah. We had we had members of Congress
that are older than I I think Daryl Isa
was there. Um I [snorts] know um a
couple other guys were there, too. I
mean, he's an older guy. He's older than
me. I think he was walking around up on
it, you know, and and that's bogus.
That's totally bogus. They put Trump in
a bad position. And you know, that's the
thing. You'll never know. You'll never
Here's another thing we should talk
about. Dead men tell no tales.
>> There's another thing we should talk
about. There's a lot of people running
around out there saying that that first
Trump assassination was a setup and that
it was a hoax and that Trump did it to
try to get people to be more sympathetic
to him. Anybody who says that doesn't
know anything about guns. No. because
the shot was from how far was it? Was it
140 yards? Is that what it was, Jamie?
Um, there is not a person on earth that
could nick your ear at 140 yards
reliably. Not only that, but miss other
shots first, kill someone behind you,
shoot another person as well, and just
nick his ear. And just by the grace of
God, by
>> just sheer luck, he turns his head at
the right time and he catches his ear.
Okay. 120 to 140 m or 135 to 150 yards
away during the rally. Uh he was
positioned on top of an AGR
international building which provided a
clear line of sight to the stage. Just
that alone is a a tremendous failure of
security. the fact that they didn't
search and look at these buildings that
you don't have drones above scanning the
area where you have a potential line of
sight, a easy shot with someone with a
scope.
>> And my my buddy Eli Crane, he's a he's a
sniper and he said, you know, I could
have I could have made that shot, you
know, because he's a SEAL sniper and my
>> Oh, 100%.
>> My brother-in-law Cliff was a marine
sniper and he said, I could have
probably done it with steel sights, Tim.
Well, he did. Did Did the man have steel
sights or did he
>> Yeah, he did have steel sights. He had
>> So, he didn't have a scope.
>> Uhuh. And the thing to me is that he um
he [snorts] got up there and people were
pointing at him. It was just a complete
Is it a breakdown? You think is it a
breakdown? It's a breakdown. If I if if
Tim Burchett sneaks into the back of a a
Leonard Skard concert and gets close to
the stage, that's a breakdown. That to
me is a complete capitulation. They put
Trump out there and there's people that
don't like him. You can say what you
want to about programming and things. I
just think it's it's it's out there. I
think it is a reality and I think we
better people better wake up because
there Washington DC is not a um
everybody wants to call it a swamp.
>> Okay. So, it does have a it does have a
scope.
>> It does have a scope.
>> Yeah, that's a red dot.
>> Okay.
>> I mean, I don't know if it's magnified.
It says optics attached to rail AEMS uh
optics.
[snorts] So, I don't know. I'd have to
talk to some of my guys out front about
like what kind of a what kind of a sight
that is, what kind of optics that is.
>> I don't know if it's magnified or if
it's like pistol optics. But either way,
even if it's just if he's prone and he's
got a rifle and it says uh yeah, check
it out, Jamie. [clears throat]
>> I think that's just the um the setup,
though. I don't think that's actually
the uh I think AMS optics AEMS optics is
[snorts]
>> the optics
>> right modeled modified with a
collapsible stock
>> red dot site.
>> Yeah. So it's a red dot. I don't know if
that's magnified. I don't think that's
magnified. I think
>> Yeah.
>> I think that's just like what you get on
a pistol. It just makes it a little bit
more accurate. You know, I'd seen
pictures of him just walking across an
area and you could tell he was carrying
something that was fairly long.
>> Well, not only that, he was walking
around the site with a rangefinder.
>> Yeah. Oh, and he playing golf.
>> He'd earlier put a drone up, I think.
Yeah. So,
>> if you're not playing golf and you have
a rangefinder, you're trying to shoot
something. That's it. That's the only
two reasons to use a rangefinder. You're
playing golf, you're doing archery, or
you're trying to shoot something with a
rifle, [snorts]
>> you know,
>> no other thing. But these guys just keep
doing this. And I and I know I think
we're going to have a hearing on that.
Not on that particular case, but just on
what the CIA is doing and and how they
could do that today.
>> Well, they most certainly can do that
today if they could do that in the
1960s. There's a fantastic book called
Chaos by Tom O'Neal. It's all about the
Manson family. Have you ever read it?
>> I've seen it. I haven't read it.
>> It's phenomenal and it's mindblowing.
You you read it and you and it all
documents Jolly West and the MK Ultra
program and what they did with Jack Ruby
and they visited Jack Ruby after he shot
Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby went
insane and had a complete psychotic
breakdown and said they're lighting Jews
on fire and he was like going nuts and
was sane before Ruby vis visited him.
This guy was known to be using LSD on
people, unknowing people. They uh they
ran Operation Midnight Climax, which is
where the CIA actually ran brothel. They
had two-way mirrors and they had these
uh supposed prostitutes give these
John's alcohol that had LSD in it and
then they'd monitor them. They were they
were doing that with people,
unsuspecting people, dosing them up,
trying to figure out how and what
techniques they could use to manipulate
people and to get people to do things
they wanted them to do. That's what the
whole Manson family was all about. And
what the Manson family that what those
killings did, the Tate Labianca murders,
what they did was they turned people
against hippies. Like people had this
idea of hippies being peace and love and
like oh it's a new world and everyone's
just going to do acid and hug each other
and trap out of society.
>> Then it was all a sudden it became no,
they're psychotic killers and they're
demonic and you know and this is what we
have to think about. We need to ban all
these drugs. And that's what they did.
And it's kind of fascinating that they
were able to do that and do that for so
long. And if it wasn't for the Freedom
of Information Act request and if it
wasn't for finding those documents that
they found that were just in storage,
>> right,
>> that detailed all this, we wouldn't have
any knowledge of this stuff.
>> Most that stuff disappears. You know,
>> I'm sure there's a bunch of stuff that
we have. I think this is just the tip of
the iceberg. There's probably a ton of
those things that have gone on that they
successfully hid and they got sloppy
with this. And Johnny West seems like he
was a completely insane person. And you
know, how could you not be if you were
like running around dosing people with
acid up with acid? Yeah.
>> Running fake whouses. I mean, it's nuts.
The whole story is nuts. But the idea
that they go, "Hey, we shouldn't do that
anymore."
>> No.
>> Even though it was successful, that that
doesn't track that doesn't track with
how anything works.
>> That doesn't track with human nature.
Doesn't track with how the government
works. The idea that they don't have
people right now. And also how many
people are voluntarily on psychiatric
medication that alters them and then
without any sort of formal program like
MK Ultra just using bots just using AI
just using people's algorithm to turn
them radicalize them in certain ways.
Like of course they're going to do that.
Of course they're going to try to figure
out what they can do what they can't how
they can shift narratives in one
direction or another. I [snorts] mean,
that's what they do.
>> And Trump's a a threat to their machine.
I don't I don't ever think we'll ever
find the answer to it. I don't think
we'll ever somebody's going to come
forward. And
>> maybe in in our lifetime they might, but
by then everybody will be gone again.
>> Where's the toxicology examination on
Thomas Krooks? Let me find out what he
was on.
>> Wait a minute. They cremated him.
>> Yeah, they cremated him really quickly.
Not only that, like why was his place
professionally scrubbed? He didn't even
have silverware in his house. He had no
computers. He had no social process, no
internet footprint at all. And then they
found stuff that led him to believe that
maybe he had international accounts, but
he doesn't have, you know, just just
constant constant. And it just happens
over over every course, every time.
>> Not only that, but they documented
metadata that tracks specific phones
from the Virginia area out near where
the FBI area is to his home multiple
times. Why? He's a kid. He's just a a
young weirdo kid and someone's visiting
him.
>> His over and over again.
>> His parents were allegedly counselors, I
think. And and that makes the whole
thing even that much more mysterious.
[gasps and sighs]
>> It's all weird. And we don't have any
answers and no one's asking questions.
It's like bye-bye, went away.
>> You ask the questions, you're still not
going to get the answers,
>> right? I mean, that will be one of those
things that 30, 40 years from now,
people are going to be reading books
about going what the hell was going on.
It's like the Kennedy assassination. You
know, in the Kennedy assassination, we
had a a committee meeting on that and
[snorts] I asked a question from this
doctor who was in the
>> um in the emergency room. He brought
Kennedy in and he he clearly he brought
he brought a poster in to show that
clearly that the bullets had come from
two different directions and that was
and so it had to be two bullets. It
couldn't have been a a very quick
ricochet. Yeah. obviously and um the
whole thing, you know, and no press,
nobody covered it, nothing. To me, that
was blockbuster news. I thought that
would have been But again, the big boys
didn't see fit to put that out and that
and there we are.
>> Well, just the magic bullet theory
alone, like, shut up. That bullet's
>> Well, that gun is uh called a Manlaker
carbine. It was I got one actually. It's
a I think it's 7.62 Italian. It's called
the only gun that never won a war. You
could have gone to a Western Auto and
bought an M1 with scopes on it and made
a much better shot than that thing. I
mean, the whole thing just stinks. And
the gun they show holding up and the gun
that they had later, you know, the whole
thing is just screwy. Screwy. And
because we didn't ask questions back
then.
>> Yeah. Well, no one had information. So,
what questions could you even ask? And
there's a great book on it called Best
Evidence by David Lifton. And he was an
accountant that was hired to go over the
Warren Commission report. and he started
finding all these inconsistencies and
contradictions in the Warren Commission
report. And so then he wrote this book
on all the different things that are
wrong with the Kennedy assassination and
all the different things that we've been
told that couldn't possibly be true. And
it's very disturbing, including how many
people that were witnesses that died.
witnesses at the scene in, you know, in
Dallas that died from weird
circumstances. And the odds of those
people dying, car accident, suicide,
murder, robbery, all it's just too
strange.
>> And people they can't find anymore that
were in those pictures,
>> you know, square.
>> They cleaned up a lot of the loose ends
>> quick.
>> Yeah.
>> But back then, you know, again, you
couldn't ask the questions. You didn't
have the internet. And now it's
>> But that I think
>> but nobody's even talking about it. You
can't get anybody to bring up anything
on Trump getting shot or other than they
put out it's a fake. You know, it's his
ear healed itself and all this stuff. I
you know,
>> listen, his ear was clearly bleeding. He
got shot in the ear. You can see the
blood come out right away. It's dripping
down the side of his face. And the the
idea that that's a setup, you cannot be
that accurate. You definitely can't be
that accurate with a red dot at 140
yards. You can hit him. You could
definitely hit him center mass, no
problem. Maybe even you hit him in the
head if you're really good and you're
prone. But the nicking his ear like that
on purpose and to be there and say,
"Hey, I just want you to nick my ear
just a little piece like that's there's
no off the top. There's not a chance
that that's a fake." And the guy behind
him's dead. So what are you saying? You
think that's fake? That's a setup.
>> Yeah. The fireman lost his life.
>> Yeah. That's crazy. The whole thing's
crazy. But it's just this thing where
people hate him so much and the
narrative in the media, this Trump
derangement narrative that you see in
the media is so strong and people are so
programmed by it. And
>> for the average person that has a a very
involved job, you're working all day and
then you have a family and you have a
life and you have been you don't have
time to really go into depth about
what's real and what's not real. And you
got that Russia collusion stuff shoved
down your throat by mainstream media for
years and you believe all of it
>> 100%.
>> And so you really believed he's a
terrible person, Russian agent, all
these different. So you want someone to
kill him.
>> Yeah. There's there's a group of folks,
young folks that are starting to ask
some questions. Yes.
>> You [clears throat] know, my wife's son
Tyler um he lives on the farm there with
us and he um he's been asking me
inquisitive questions because because of
he doesn't buy it. And a lot of those
kids in that generation, I'm glad. I
don't know if it's the Charlie Kirk
effect. I don't know what that is.
>> That has a that's a has a definitely
effect on it because a lot of people
don't buy that story either. No. But
it's also the internet. The internet has
there's enough independent reporters out
there that are untied independent
journalists that are untied to any
organization that has a narrative
they're supposed to push and they're
uncovering real information. That's
screwy,
>> right?
>> It doesn't make any sense. Well, and
also when they do though, they get they
get trounced upon by the so-called
mainstream media, of course. And but
their numbers, I mean, my gosh, I read
somewhere the the amount of uh that the
amount of media or the amount of
information people get from the
mainstream media is is just it's
diminishing.
>> Well, CO sunk them. The way they handled
CO and the way they carried water for
the pharmaceutical drug industry.
>> Oh, And Fouchy
>> and the Yeah. Fouchy. And now he's going
to walk.
>> Is he going to walk? because there's
some talk about him possibly being set
up for perjury, but there's only a week
to go.
>> Yeah, there's a week to go. I just don't
He'll get a stern letter from somebody
in Washington.
>> Oh,
>> that drives me crazy, man. I saw, you
know, the big boys, you go down to the
the big hardware chain and they were
allowing people to go in, but they
closed down the little local ones and
they closed the churches and the
synagogues and everybody down
>> and then we just all got in line. They
just rang the bell and we're like
Pavlov's dog and we just all got in
line. And I remember at my hospital in
Knoxville, one of them, I came out there
and, you know, to get tested. I got
tested. I can't tell how many times I
got tested. I never tested positive.
I've never took the vaccine or any of
that. But I can remember coming out
there and they had these um morgs they
were setting up just in anticipation of
of what And I just [snorts] thought,
man, this is if this doesn't work out,
this is the ultimate scop because people
are going to get rich off this crazy
thing. And they did. You know, we um
>> greatest transfer of wealth.
>> Unbelievably. Unbelievably. Yeah. And
Congress just did it. We just did it and
didn't ask any questions.
>> Well, it seems like there's a real
pandemic right now on this cruise ship.
You know, about that henta virus. Yeah.
That seems really crazy.
>> And and ticks. Watch that thing.
>> The tick thing is nuts. Yeah. Especially
>> because of meat, because of gates.
>> Uhhuh. Um,
>> well, there's boxes people are finding,
and I don't know if this is true because
I've seen many reports on it, but I'm
just going to say what I saw, that
farmers and ranchers are finding boxes
of ticks on their property. Now, I don't
know if that's fake. I don't know if
someone's setting that up to pretend
they found these boxes of ticks, but
there's videos of these people finding
boxes of ticks. Now, what they'll say is
they'll probably say they're sterile
ticks and that we're planting them out
there so we can diminish the population
is what they'll say. But anytime they
try to mess with the balance of nature,
it never goes right.
>> Is that what they're saying? This is
getting ready. That's I'm getting You're
getting it right here.
>> I don't believe you have a right to go
to someone's property and drop off
sterile ticks.
>> No way in hell.
>> That's crazy either way. But I have a
good friend of mine who got bit by the
Lonear tick and has that alpha gal
problem.
>> Yeah. A kid, a guy came out my house
yesterday looking at putting gutters up
at our house and dad got me. He said and
I said, "You did what?" He goes, "Yeah,
I can't eat anything any meat produced
by a mammal."
>> Yes.
>> I was like,
>> "Yeah." So my buddy, he had it and my
friend Evan, so he he had it for a
little while and then he did a bunch of
treatments and got off of it and then
started eating steak again and he was
fine for about a year and a half and
then it came back stronger than ever and
he just can't shake it around.
>> Oh yeah. He can only eat eggs. I mean,
he's basically eating eggs and
vegetables. That's all he's eating. And
every time he tries to deviate, he has a
horrible reaction. It it makes for
people that don't know, it makes your
body allergic to red meat,
>> right? And who has got genetically made
meat now?
>> Yeah. Bill Gates.
>> Bill Gates.
>> Yeah. Well, they're doing things with
mosquitoes and they're doing they're
they're messing around with nature in a
way that no one's giving you permission
to. The general public does not want you
doing this. If they could vote on it,
they'd say, "No way. You You can't."
>> It's like those those beagles that they
show that Fouchy uh I grew up with
beagles. Sport number one, sport number
two. dogs. They are the best dogs ever.
And um my Buzz was um he's cavalier mix,
but he was we think I'm not really sure,
but he was a rescue dog. And that poor
thing had never been on grass. And I see
those dogs acting just like poor Buzz.
He couldn't climb stairs and he was
mistreated. He can't hear very well. And
um he's the sweetest dad gum dog though.
And those freaking beagles. I just that
rips my heart out because there's right
now I've talked to the scientists in the
labs and there's everything we can do
now we can do in the lab without pretty
much without
>> without cruelty
>> without cruelty without
>> you know bringing in beagles and why
beagles the whole thing just stinks
disgusting
>> it's very evil I mean look I don't even
like it when they do it with rats
>> but doing it with puppies is insane and
then euthanizing them after you've
forced them to be
it's horrible Yeah, he did some evil
stuff. He's And he lied like clearly
lied. Lied to the American people about
transmission. Lied to the American
people about preventing infection.
>> I can remember when they brought him to
Congress
>> and um brought him into a meeting I was
in and I was in the back and he's a
little short guy and I was like, "Who
the heck is that?" He said, "That's
Fouchy." And they brought him in and
everybody started cheering. I thought I
thought I thought I had a bad vibe on
him then. And then um he talked to gay
folks, you know, he was involved in the
>> the a DT.
>> Yeah.
>> And u they they got a bad feeling
towards him.
>> Sure. I mean he's the culprit. He's the
villain in that movie, The Dallas Buyers
Club.
>> That's about him preventing people from
taking alternative medications. That
sound familiar?
>> Yeah. Exactly what they did during Right
now we're doing it. I was um I was in
Blunt County yesterday for a police
officer's memorial service and an
officer came up and said, you know, my
my child is suffers from a rare disease
and and we can't get to this treatment
and can you can you put a bug in the
present? I sure you know, we'll try. But
and Trump's doing that a lot now with
and RFK Yeah. RFK Jr. people they
they'll try to trash him and that's
fine. He's a tough guy. But um he um a
lot of those trials now are going
forward. Cancer and other things and and
that's another reason they don't like
Trump. Man, you talk about I mean you
got big pharma, you got big agriculture
and um
>> you and a couple others and they they
run the they run the table, Joe. They
run the table and they I told somebody,
you know, and of course big energy oil,
you know, we get zero. I know it's a
commodity and I'm going to get lit up
that oil's a commodity and it, you know,
the world market, but we get zero oil
from Iran. Zero. We we export oil right
now and yet the price is going through
the roof. It's going through the roof
because it can. They can. And I always
say, well, how does that gasoline in the
pumps go up that's been in the they've
already been processed, already been
paid for. How does it go up
exponentially just overnight? 20 cents a
gallon or whatever. And how does that
and and if that's because it's a
commodity and birch that you don't
understand, how come that quart of oil
that you at the hardware store doesn't
go up like that? Wouldn't it it's
processed oil. Wouldn't it do the same?
And of course diesel. It's your first
cut I think is kerosene. Then it's
diesel. And diesel and I've got a diesel
dy. I filled it up yesterday is over
$100. You know, it is the cheapest. It
is the roughest cut. You know, that's
why you have these credible filters
because it's dirty and gasoline is the
third or fourth cut and it ought to be
the most expensive, but it's not. I just
think it's a racket. And every time they
they'll hold the hearings and they'll
come down there and and you know, and
the oil companies will, you know,
they'll shake that money tree. They know
how to do it on both sides of the aisle.
>> It happens all the time. I remember when
Bush was leaving office before Obama
took office where gasoline just went
through the through the roof. The p
everybody was freaking out and no one
could explain it
>> and it was just I was like look they can
this is like the last chance they can to
just jack up the prices, jack up the
profits, hold everybody hostage. You
have to get gas. You got to drive to
work.
>> Got an oil man in the White House.
>> Yeah. And they just jacked it up.
>> It's payoff time. I just uh
>> and is and you know and I'm a
capitalist. I'm a heartless capitalist.
I make skateboards. Um, and
>> you make skateboards?
>> Yeah. Yeah. It's cheaper than a
psychiatrist.
[laughter]
I go I guess I'm a little bit like
Trump. I like ketchup on my steak.
Although I think he gets his well done.
I get mine medium rare. But um
>> you put ketchup on your steak. You
should go to jail.
>> Does the Baptist church got a bus?
Terrible.
>> Yes, they do. And yes, I do. Terrible.
Any No, I make skateboards. So, I make
this crazy skateboard for um for um
[snorts] Tulsi Gabbard. She's a buddy of
mine. She's She's She's kind of a
>> I love her.
>> I love her, too. She is wonderful. And
she's from Hawaii. So, in Trump's first
Oh, that's
>> There it is. Okay. I made that
skateboard.
>> Bigfoot skateboard.
>> Yeah. I put my sticker on it. It's made
out of bamboo, oak, and banana fibers
off the banana plant.
>> Oh, wow.
>> And um and she she outs me during the um
Trump's first. There's my guys at Pluto
Sports. They put my wheels and trucks
on. It's just a they're guys I was in
high school with. Um but anyway,
>> skate.
>> Yeah. Oh, yeah. But I don't do the fancy
stuff. I just do tricks.
>> And not anymore. I'm 61, dude. I don't
heal like I did when I was 51, much less
when I was a young man.
>> You're only a few years older than me.
>> Well, you look good.
>> Thank you.
>> Sorry, man. I'm just, you know, people
think I'm on steroids, but I'm naturally
this huge. But [laughter]
so, so she Tulsy says, "Purch it." I
said, "Hey, Tulsy." She says, and she's
walking in here to the State of the
Union, cameras, people are in. Where's
my dad gum skateboard? My birthday's
next month. I'm like, "Oh, crap." So I
make her this skateboard, right? And
that picture comes out and I mean people
all over the world are saying, "Where
can I get a birchet board? Where can I
get a birchet board?" So I'm Mr., you
know, I'm trying to be ethical and you
know, and uh I I go down to see the
ethics guy and this little attorney
tells me, he says, "Well, Congressman,
you know, you got to you can't do that.
You can't call it a Burchet board. You
can't you know." I said, "Well, my
wife's got to own the company." And they
think, "Well, maybe." And then you but
you can't work there and all this other
stuff. And you know everybody down
there's got a side hustle, right? And
I've said, "Dude, so you're telling me I
can do insider stock trading, but I
can't sell a dad gum skateboard." And
the guy said, "That's correct." So
anyway, I got about 35 skateboards in my
barn. I just keep making them. And I
call my attorney.
>> You make them yourself?
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's why I say it's
cheaper than a psychiatrist.
>> So you make them by hand?
>> Yeah, absolutely. You know, I have um
>> That's pretty cool.
>> I make them. I'm cheap, but so I make
them out of uh bamboo that I cut. Uh
buddy of mine, Chris Pointer's got a
bunch at his house, but I I go to the
synagogue behind the synagogue on
Kingston Pike. There's a bunch of
bamboo, and they used to let me cut it.
Now, when this airs, they probably
won't, but um [laughter] and then I I
get oak pallets and um and banana
fibers. They grow off the banana plant.
So, but anyway, I grow.
>> Did you laminate it all?
>> Yeah. Well, I used fiberglass with that
and I'm trying to get away from the
carcinogens, you know, the cancer
causing. So, um, I use a Titebond 3
glue. It's waterproof and water-based.
And then, um, and then I just sand them
all down and cuz, you know, you scuff
them up after you ride them around.
Anyway, so anyway, so I make them out of
that and I laminate the wood and, um, my
local the steel laborers, um, they
needed a project one year when I was
mayor of Knox County and I and somebody
said, "Hey, they want to these guys want
to make a a skateboard press." They
said, "Do you want one?" I said, "Yeah,
I'll buy the metal." And I'm thinking,
you know, they're going to build me this
little thing. No, I mean, it's like
three burly union metal workers have to
put this thing in the back of my dad gum
pickup truck. It is a monster. And it um
and I can press them, but um and I've
got clamps and I do all of it. But
anyway,
>> that's pretty cool.
>> Yeah. But but I can't but I can't sell
them. I got My wife's like,
>> "What are you doing out there?" And I
said, "Well, come out there and look at
my boards, honey. I'm making
skateboards." And I'm saying I And she
always
>> get you out there. That's one I That was
just one I laminated up, but um or it's
side laminated. But
>> my wife always says, "Honey, you go to
it." She says, "I'm sure they laughed at
the guy that created the pool noodle."
That's her line. Always [laughter]
>> probably Kelly said, "Oh, yeah. Yeah, it
was just a piece of insulation off some
old rental house and he threw it in the
his kids were swimming with it and he
thought, man, I'm going to take that 12
cent piece of foam, take it to Walmart
and sell it for $6 a piece." And now
he's probably sitting on some island
somewhere laughing at us right now. But
no, I make them and I've been trying to.
Anyway, it's very frustrating. I got a
meeting with the attorneys um and the
chairman of the ethics committee who is
a really good guy. He and I came to
Congress together and we're trying to
work it out. So,
>> it's not even that it's a lot of money
in handmade skateboards. Like, the fact
that you could have insider trading, you
can't sell handmade skateboards is
>> that's ridiculous.
>> A little ridiculous, isn't it?
>> It's also it's like what what because
you're famous? Because you're on
television like is gonna Yeah. They're
gonna sway my vote because they bought a
dad gum skateboard from me. Yeah. I I
took one to an auction and and um and I
think somebody paid $5,200 for one of
those decades.
>> Whoa.
>> And then some other guy comes up and
says, "Tim, I was at the bar and I
missed it. If I give them 5200, will you
make me one?" So, I got a couple and
then my friends in Clayurn County um the
uh the mountains up there, they um they
uh they chair the committee and they
asked me and some I thought I was making
one and then when I got out of there I
was making three. So, I don't know. And
then I people just like them and they
put them on their wall. I mean, you
know, you're not going to be in the
Olympics with Tony Hawk's not going to
go, "Hey, Tim Burchie, will you make me
a board?" You know, but it's it's just
for cruising down the sidewalk kind of
thing.
>> That's awesome. That's awesome. It sucks
that they won't let you sell it though.
That's
>> Yeah,
you sell your soul, but I can't sell a
skateboard.
>> Speaking of selling, um, you were
telling me earlier before we started,
and I said, "Save this because I want to
talk about this later."
>> Yeah.
>> That the Taliban gets how many millions
of dollars a week?
>> About $40 million a week. Um,
it all happened. I was on a um a
podcast and they were talking about it
and um Sean Ryan and he had he I love
that dude.
>> Yeah. Great American. I love him. He's
>> he's a good Christian man. He's been
through it. You know, he's an incredible
guy that they've asked to do horrible
things.
>> And people like that, I give them a wide
path. I let them slide on a lot of
things. But he's he's a good daddy and
and um you know he just and he he he
worries about our country. He reminds me
a lot of my dad because dad was you
couldn't wake my dad up um to the day he
died over the top of him always by his
big toe cuz he cuz he might wake up on
one of those islands and pin me against
the wall. His marine on Peloo and
Okinawa and
>> daddy's colonel was a guy named Chesty
Puller. Colonel Puller you can look him
up. He was a Marine Corps legend, but
and my daddy loved him. But um anyway,
the um I'm I'm on this podcast with
Shawn and he says, "Hey, I want you to
introduce Eli Crane. He's a He's a
excuse me, Navy Seal in Congress." He
said, "I want you to go on this podcast
with Shawn Ryan." I said, "I don't know
who Shawn Ryan is. I don't I'm not a
podcast guy. I don't My daughter always
give me your phone. I don't know how to
do it." And all of a sudden, I got a
cool picture of her on there. I don't
even know how she did it. But so I'm on
there and um and he calls me and says,
"I want you to meet with this guy." He
goes by the name Legend, and that's not
his real name, but um he um he he comes
up he comes into the office and he has
to he can't use his real name and uh and
says, "Look, they're getting $40 million
a week." I said, "Who is?" He said, "The
Taliban." And he's a he's a um Afghani
that fought for us. And so he's dual
citizenship introduc you know I talked
to the pre for last democratically
elected president of Afghanistan through
him on a on a call and um and he's a
dear friend and he comes by all the time
and we talk and and so John Stout in my
office who's like he's the best. I mean
this guy his mom and daddy were in a
very tragic car accident and they um
they prayed through it and and they both
lived. I mean, daddy had to get, you
know, his banged up and his mama's head
got banged up pretty bad. And John's
just he's he is the quintessential
staffer because he's so loyal and he
loves this country. And so he said,
"Boss, I think I got an idea." I said,
"All right." So he figured out this
monitoring thing where what they do is
they um they send they send pallets of
cash to them through whatever and they
uh there's three banks in um over there
that are owned by the Taliban and
everything goes through them. You know
the Lord takes 10% with tithe and but
the Taliban takes a hell of a lot more.
They take it right off the top and on
ingress and egress. If you give them
money or take money away, I mean, or if
you spend money or put money in or
whatever you take in or pay out, they
get their cut off of it every dadum
time. And so I'm thinking, this can't be
right. So I got a memo on my desk from
the State Department. It's stamped
classified, so I can't talk about it,
but then it's stamped unclassified under
it, so I can talk about it. And it
basically said under the Biden
administration, they think we gave them
$5 billion with a B5 $5 billion.
Now,
and you've got NOS's. Now, how many
NOS's you think operate out of over
there?
>> Oh, how many?
>> Over a thousand. And then you throw in
the United Nations and the
>> out of Afghanistan.
>> Yeah. It's just
>> there's a thousand NOS.
>> It's the freakest it's the biggest scam.
NOS's. I wrote a letter to the president
months ago and I'm they've tapped the
brakes on the NOS's. I mean, some of
them don't have any money and some of
them got a lot. But Elon Musk told me
like I really know him. I mean, I've
hung out with him a couple times and we
talked. Called me Tim, which I thought
was pretty cool. Um, but he says uh um
[snorts] he says, "Tim, here's how these
NOS's work." He said, "You know, they
start out as a good organization. maybe
during Bush one or Bush two, you know, a
lot of those limousine liberals,
dogooders, you know, they start these
organizations and they um they set them
up and and to do, you know, feed the
starving children or whatever. Well,
they don't have any money in them and
some billionaire who we could we all
know, you can just name them. They'll
drop a million in one of those and then
this unelected bureaucrat in Washington
DC says, "Hey, they got a million
dollars. This place is legit." And so
they give them money. They put the money
in there for them and then they start
running federal money through that.
Yours and my tax dollars. And he told me
he thinks they stole over a trillion
dollars. I thought at the time I thought
that was crazy. But then I start looking
at um uh you know what happened in
Minneapolis Minnesota 19 billion.
>> Joe, when I went to state legislature,
our our state budget of Tennessee wasn't
$19 billion as years ago. So, it's a lot
more than that now, but that's the the
amount of fraud and waste and abuse that
go on. Well, so back backtrack to this
deal. So, I get involved with it and um
and and it it's just unbelievable. It
took me two I passed the bill twice. The
second time my buddy John Stout in the
office there, he comes up with even
stronger version. And so, we send it to
the Senate. And so we find out that
there's a Senate staffer that
somebody said he's like the unofficial
uh ambassador to Afghanistan. He's I've
literally read where he said it seem
appears to me complimentary things about
the Taliban. Now those people want to
kill us. They'll as I like to say
they'll hate us for free. We don't need
to give them any money. Well, it's like
pull it's like pulling teeth through my
committee. the Democrats raised ruckus
and uh because obviously they don't want
anybody looking at those NOS's and the
NGO money now get this it maybe a little
bit goes to feed some starving kid but a
lot of it gets washed and it goes back
to the good old United States of
America. Are you familiar with dark
money and campaigns?
>> Yes. You know, you're and I'll the folks
back home the day before the election,
the the people for American justice
approved this ad. Did you know Tim
Burchett, you know, pushed his second
grade girlfriend down in a mud puddle
and never apologized? That's what
happened, you know, and then paid for by
the people for America justice, you
know, you know, and then but what's
happened is is that money that you're
sending over there is coming back in the
form of dark money. And we've got and
and I I think both parties are involved
with it at some point. I think the
Democrats have had the had a run of it
and they've they've got a they've got it
pretty much closed. They've got a pretty
good market going on it in my opinion.
[snorts] And there are probably some
Republicans I think I know of that are
that have some dark money too. And uh
not necessarily from this but from other
things. And then you start talking about
the UN. The UN has got and and everybody
say that's UN Burch. We don't have the
heck we don't. We sponsor the freaking
UN. If it was up to me, I'd pull out of
the dad ggum UN. They are nothing. All
they do is get Americans killed. They
they they talk ugly about us and then
they take our dad gum money and we let
them do it because crooked politicians
are in bed. Washington is crooked as a
dog's leg, Joe. And this and this bill
makes them report it and and and follow
the money so we know where it's going.
And if it's going to the pal Taliban,
it's out. And so can you just explain to
me how they would justify sending money
to the Taliban and what what is like
what is the circumstance like how do
they
>> they justify it by saying it doesn't
happen. They justify it by saying it
doesn't happen. But I'm talking to a guy
that's got a legend who's got people on
the ground and and the people over there
the the freedom fight are saying please
quit sending them money. police and you
know they when we left over there you
know we left how many billions of
dollars worth of of armaments on the
ground they said oh uh you know I mean I
heard Democrats saying well those people
can't fly those high-end choppers well
you know who could the dadgum Chinese
who were on the ground before we got out
of there right
>> so it's it's just a crooked game it's a
small portion I know
>> but explain how's the money getting to
them
>> okay it is sent to them um through these
NOS's and other organizations and so
>> so we fund the NOS's
>> correct
>> the NOS send money to the Taliban why
why would they do that
>> because they get a cut off of it they
don't care
>> okay so the Taliban gets 40 million and
then they send that money back
>> some of it comes back and some of it
doesn't um
>> but as long as they get a piece of it
they don't care how much the Taliban
gets
>> right it this requires a report on any
cash assistant programs in Afghanistan
and how the US keeps the Taliban from
assessing that. And it requires a report
on the Afghan fund and the Afghanistan
central bank. And these reports, of
course, would shed light on the
Taliban's influence over the Afghanistan
central bank. And you can um you can
research it. A lot of it is is these
dogooder programs, you know, oh man,
we're taking care of the orphans. We're
taking care of this. And you know good
and well they ain't taking care of any
dad gum orphans. They're stealing the
money to do it.
>> And it just infuriates me. And then I
hear them say, "Well, it's not
happening." I say, "Well, if it's not
happening, then dad gum it pass the
bill. What's it hurt?
>> What's it hurt?" We pass
worthless legislation every dad gum day.
And you know, and I can't get a peep. I
said to Thone when he came in when King
Charles was in which was kind of funny,
too. I had funny conversation. King
Charles,
>> by the way, no kings.
>> I'm not a king. Yeah. Yeah. What about
that? I was
What the heck? I got a picture. There's
a picture of me. I did a video on my ex
account at Tim Burchett. See, I threw
that plug in. But um
>> Central Bank of Afghanistan said it
received another injection of $40
million in cash this week. And this is
literally $100 bills in stacks. Is that
real? Is that what is that? A stock
photo or is that them showing a
photograph of the money they received?
Cuz I can't imagine they're sending
bricks of cash.
>> Oh yeah, absolutely. It's pallets. It's
called a pallet of cash.
>> What?
>> I'm reading through this explanation of
it from these reports. It's uh he's
saying exactly what these are all
saying, but this is a lot of
>> and I'm not as I'm look
>> explanation in here.
>> I got I got a mutual fund. I don't
understand all the money, but when I see
here $40 million going overseas,
>> but in cash too is crazy.
>> There's no record of it.
>> Take it and divvy it up and
>> yeah, this is it every day. The UN is
responsible for purchasing,
transporting, and transferring at least
$2.9 billion in US currency to
Afghanistan. This was from 2024, I
think, when this was printed. [laughter]
>> So that they have to find the cash on,
you know,
>> call your senator and say, "I want this
damn bill on the floor."
>> Crazy.
>> It's passed the committee. And it was
like pulling teeth. It was cuz
apparently I offended somebody, which
I'm sure I did now. But
>> but I don't understand why anybody
wouldn't recognize that giving money to
a an organization that hates us, a
fundamentalist religious organization
that hates,
>> they're not a religion. They're not a
religion. They're a they're a a cult or
um
>> yeah, whatever you want to call it.
Since it first cash shipment, UN has
made at least 80 purchases of cash for
transport to Afghanistan. 80 80
purchases of $40 million. The UN
reported reported that it began
purchasing and shipping cash because of
Afghan's bank's inability to participate
in international wire transfers and
Afghanistan's lack of domestic currency
circulating throughout its economy. Oh,
so we got to help them out. and give $40
million a week.
>> Yeah. And the starving kids are still
starving and the little orphans aren't
being taken care of and they're still
throwing gays off of buildings and
poking little girls eyes out.
>> Any gays left? I mean,
>> well, they got to be in the closet.
>> They are in the closet. There's a lot of
that. A lot of pedophilia. I have some
buddies that served over some horrible
stories.
>> Guys wanted to Yeah. Guy was going to
frag a Afghan general or something one
time. He told me and he he used to work
for me and he had he had mental issues
over it. Oh, it's horrible. Yeah, I've
heard horrible horrible stories. It's
just
>> my dad my dad wouldn't go back to
Okinawa because of if I can digress
quickly. Uh they daddy went back for the
50th anniversary of the invasion of
Peloo and he said I said you going to go
back to 50th because you know those
Marines that's not a lot of those guys
are left you know and they're all gone
now. But he said I ain't going to go
back to Okanawa. And he said he told me
this story. He said they came over this
hill and a corsair caught a bunch of
Japanese out in this field. He's called
dad called it a lucky strike. Dad love a
corser. That thing dive at over 400
miles an hour and just lit them up.
Caught them out, obliterated them and
they run up on them and um they had been
raping some of the islanders or Korean
girls that they they collected and um
and I think that messed with my dad all
the stuff he saw blowing caves and
shooting people up close and that's what
he said. I won't go into it because I
got a daughter that's gonna be watching
this thing, but um it was and and that's
that's what scarred my daddy.
>> You would have loved him. He was
my buddy uh my buddy Chris Hagerty, he
got a he got a Acura for Christmas when
it was a bright red Acura and you know
Acura's not made in America at the time.
And dad goes, "Hag," he says, and my
daddy was a dean at UT, dean of student
country. He goes, "Where's that thing
made?" And he goes, "I reckon it's made
in Japan, CB." And dad goes, "I reckon
you're going to be parking that thing
out in the street." Daddy just went back
in the kitchen. Hag went out and moved
his actor out on the street. Nobody
messed with my dad. He was I remember
the neighbor one time she comes over
there and said, "Somebody's in my
house." And I was like, "What?" And I'm
downstairs and I run upstairs and dad
runs by me with a Browning High Power. I
mean, he's probably 70 years old and he
was clearing that house. He ran in that
house and I remember mom was on the
phone. who says, "Don't shoot my
husband. He's in a blue powder leisure
suit." [laughter]
Oh man, he was something else. He was uh
Yeah, mama was something else, too. They
were They were They were real
Christians. So, they weren't bumper
sticker kind of Christians. People would
I would uh And I to this day, I don't
like I love the Waffle House, you know,
it's America's premier steakhouse. And
um and I go in there and um and I don't
I don't like eating breakfast food any
other time than at breakfast because I
can always remember as a little boy,
daddy would always pick up somebody on
the interstate, somebody broke down,
black folks, white folks, you know,
anybody and um or some UT student that
was having a little rough go and bring
them to the house and there wouldn't be
enough hamburgers for me, my brother,
sister, and I, you know, the five of us.
And but mama could make enough
breakfast. And I always knew that daddy
had brought somebody home and we were
going to be eating breakfast. We were
gonna be eating breakfast for supper.
And that always ticked me off as a kid.
You know, I didn't understand at the
time, but now I realize I had pretty
cool parents. So
>> that's awesome.
>> Can I show you a cool picture of my
mama?
>> Sure.
>> She flew an airplane during the Second
World War. She was um I was hanging out
with Kid Rock one time, and I'm going to
use a little language here, Bobby. And
um and I said, "I know your your thing
is you're the American badass." I said,
"But I was raised by the American
badasses." And I got pictures dad on
Peloo and Okinawa and with his Thompson
submachine gun stuff. Here's my mama.
Somebody colorizes. She's just a little
country girl.
>> Wow.
>> And flying an airplane during the
second. Her brother Roy who was 33 years
old got killed in the hedge.
>> Wow.
>> She's a beautiful woman. They colorized
that.
>> Crazy.
>> And I'm an unrepentant mama's boy.
>> That's a crazy picture.
>> Yeah, that's crazy. She got her foot up
and I've got a picture of my daughter.
We were at the air show and the guy had
a biplane over there and he wasn't going
to There it is. There it is. That's the
Oh, thank you, Jamie. You're the man.
But that's in Nashville. And somebody it
was National Women's Aviators Day and
everybody's showing all these pictures
of these women and I I said, "Well, I'm
going to have to one up y'all." And I I
put that up there and somebody sent it
to me. I didn't know, just a supporter,
not even in my district. And they
colorized it for me. Wow. And so I was
uh you know and that company that I
can't read the name off of all the
parachute but I think they're still in
business and but anyway that was in
Nashville. You can see they're on dirt
and um and the the crazy thing was when
she qualified I don't know how long how
many how long you got to fly with an
instructor before you solo. Well, they
messed up and they did it in half they
they did the math wrong on it, which was
crazy because mama was a math teacher,
but she was a country girl and she she
was she's in it for the fight and she's
a lot like my wife. My wife is a
fighter, too. She um you don't get
between her, anybody in her family, but
but um mama um they uh she soloed in
half the time that she was supposed to.
And you know, the war's going on and and
they I've still got her little log book
and um and they tried to redo the math
on it and it was wrong. But you know,
mama just daddy said, "Yeah, I bet she
cleared out a fence row when she
landed." And then uh no, she was pretty
cool.
>> It's got to be an a terrible slap in the
face of these people that served in
Afghanistan to find out that the
Taliban's getting
>> my buddy Eli Crane. I just look over at
him and he's one beautiful human being.
I love Eli Crane. He is my buddy and um
um lone survivor. Um
>> Marcus Latrell.
>> Yeah. His brother is
>> Morgan.
>> Morgan. Yeah. He's the catcher on our on
our baseball team. And um I was out
there one day and um we were we we we
don't actually practice in the best part
of town. And but we've got security
everywhere because when they shot Scaliz
and all those guys years back um we've
got I feel very secure and heard just
pop pop and and this young officer DC
officer said capital policeman said it's
okay guys I think it's fireworks and
Morgan took his hat off and goes bett
that was gunfire and I thought I'm going
with what Morgan says not going what
this guy up here says ain't never fired
a shot in anger and um and I love those
guys they're wonderful people and I do
too. I I I hurt for him. I used to hurt
for my daddy because he would um he'd
talk about China. They went to China
after the war and he fought the
communist over there for a short while
and then um before he left the Marine
Corps, but how we just turn them over
and that he would talk about that and he
would he would be visibly upset and walk
away because of that. You know, these we
just we want to get these wars over and
we don't we don't deal with the
repercussions. We don't deal the
repercussions of we got warriors we need
to heal and we got to you know and and
it's just very frustrating to me.
>> Yeah. Well, you know, kudos to Trump for
passing this psychedelics bill.
>> Oh, good gosh. I saw you on that. I love
that. I I talked because I I didn't know
anything about it and I and I asked um I
asked some of those guys about it before
and they said, "Oh yeah, Burchett, it
it's I one of one member confided in me
that he you because he'd been in some of
the mess and he and I and I told him I
said, you know, my daddy was had anger
issues and stuff. He never beat mama or
me or anybody, but
>> how could you not?"
>> I know.
>> How could you expect That's the crazy
thing. You expect this of people to do
horrible things and to see horrible
things and to come back and just go to
the grocery store, just be normal. Yeah.
>> Just sit in traffic, be normal.
>> I remember one time we were at a UT
football game and I was a little boy. I
must have been four or five. And uh
>> and that we on the 50 yard line. It was
in the 60s and they they let you bring
these cowbells and it was the last game
they let you bring cowbells, too. I
don't know. probably do it now, but back
then they they And so this guy was
sitting behind us and he was drunk and
he and he took the Lord's name in vain.
And my daddy said, "Hey." He said, "We
got ladies down here, you know, my
sister who was probably seven or eight
and or and my mama was there." And the
guy said, "Okay." And then the guy
spilled his drink on my dad and my mama
grabbed us all as kids and just rushed
us out. And and I remembered I was like,
"No, what's daddy doing?" You know, and
the UT cops, they love my daddy because
he was dean of student conduct. He
always backed them up and um they come
running down the aisle and literally my
dad wh beat these guys' ass all three of
them right there on the 50 yard line at
Neland Stadium and I was just a little
boy and I was like he didn't give high
fives back then but if I had I would
have given him cuz he was he was pretty
incredible guy.
>> Well guys been to war like that man had
and you come back and
>> and it wasn't any different than
thousands of other of his buddies. you
know, they would get together and talk
about stuff and and I, you know, we
didn't drink in the house. My mom and
daddy didn't let me have a beer can
collection and daddy's buddy Red Welch
came over and Red drank beer at the ha
at the dinner table and it was in the
80s. I was in I was gosh I was getting
ready to go to college and that was
still no beer in the house and Red was
drinking beer and I said, "Daddy," I
said, "What's the deal with Red drinking
beer?" And he said, "Buddy," he said,
"you get pinned down on one of them
islands and you got, you know, you're
going to get you're going to leave this
earth pretty soon. There's one guy that
comes running for you. He can do pretty
much whatever he wants to in your house,
and that was Red. I found an old picture
of him and daddy in China the other
day." But yeah, daddy had um he had a
great life, though. He had a [snorts]
great life. Him and mom are both buried
at Veteran Cemetery there in Knoxville.
And you know, to this day, I'm 61 years
old, and if I go up there, I I I think
about them and their sacrifice, and I
cry like a baby because I I go to that
Capitol, Joe, and I see people just that
are just going to throw it all away.
Throw it all away. And to me, that's
just that's that is unforgivable.
Unforgivable.
Well, I'm very happy that some of these
people that have experienced these
horrible things have at least a pathway
to relief now.
>> Yeah. And that is and and thank you for
getting involved, brother. That is that
was huge because I couldn't see that
ever do what?
>> Thank Rick Perry. Rick Perry and Brian
Hubard because if it wasn't for them
explaining to me what they've been
through and how it's helped people and
all the other people that I know like
Marcus Latrell was a friend who's
>> dude, it wouldn't happen. I talked to
everybody and they said it wouldn't have
happened if it wasn't been for you. You
use that microphone for for good and I
appreciate it cuz a lot of people
aren't.
>> Well, I never asked them for anything
>> up until that moment. And I was like, if
there's a thing that I could do that
might make the world a little bit of a
better place.
>> And the fact that those things were made
illegal in the first place is just
ridiculous. It should have never
happened. They should have been studied
and we could understand how they could
help people. Especially when you
consider how many people are on
anti-depressants in this country.
>> Wow. It's epidemic.
>> Tim Wals's daughter, the guy who was
running for vice president, his daughter
just made a post on social media where
she was talking about how she's been on
them for 15 years and she's realizing
that they're a real problem and she
every time she's tried to get off, it's
been devastating. And I know people that
have also been on them that they try to
get off them like my friend Theo Vaughn
and the roof falls off and like every
time he starts talking about something
that drives them crazy, I just got to
kind of rein them in and just like calm
down. Like you know if you've had
friends take their lives and I've had a
few.
>> I've had quite a few.
>> It's a it's a horrible feeling when you
think about it and you go, "What could I
have done? What could I have said? How
could I have?"
>> And and so much so we don't know. Um,
my oldest friend in the world, a guy
named Scott Davis. He and I were at
Little Red Schoolhouse together. His his
brother took his life and he was dep he
suffered from depression. And this was
in the 80s and we didn't understand it.
You know, I was with a guy yesterday,
one of his best friends, Ben Testerman.
He was telling me, you know, I I talked
to him, you know, we I came home, he was
he's a professional uh tennis player,
and he came home and was talking to
Jeff, and he said, he said, I just feel
like I'm in a hole, and nobody gets
that. And and and people will say to
them, I hear people all the time say
>> say, "Hey, uh just get over it, man."
You know, go for a jog, man. There's
some freaking chemical imbalance that we
don't Something has happened that's
jarred them that we don't understand.
And that is if if there's one avenue
that gets it, you know, and but big
pharma again, big egg, big farmer, it's
like hemp. Yeah. Why the hell are we not
growing hemp, right?
>> It just drives me crazy.
>> It drives me crazy as well. It doesn't
make any sense, especially when you find
out all the stuff that is legal. It's
like have some consistency. It doesn't
make any sense.
>> How many people do we lose every year?
And a lot of my friends are in the
alcohol business, but it's a personal
responsibility issue with me. You know,
if you do it, it's your business, but if
you break the law, Yes.
>> you know, you're going to the hooch gal.
>> Yeah. And listen, I'm not a big drinker,
but I think you should be allowed to
drink. I think I don't think there's
anything wrong with being allowed to
smoke cigarettes. If that's what you
want to do, you should be able to do it.
I believe in freedom. But I don't I
think we should be consistent. and the
fact that there's these things that
could help people that are suffering
from depression, that are suffering from
opioid addiction, that are suffering
from all sorts of PTSD and CTE and that
we have this thing that we've known
about for decades, and the only person
the courage to try to push an executive
order is Trump. And if I
>> again help that
>> again, he is he is enemy number one with
a lot of those people. Well, I mean,
thank God he's got the kind of courage
that he has to push stuff like that
through because it's going to change a
lot of humans lives, a lot of veterans
lives, a lot of first responders, a lot
of police officers, a lot of people that
have experienced violent crime and just
it's going to change a lot of people.
>> Women that have been abused and all the
above and they're not like going to be
walking around like some kind of crazy
zombies thing. It's a it's a very
controlled thing. And
>> especially Ibagane. Ibeane is not
recreational in any shape or form. No
one's taken it recreationally. I've
never done it, but I've heard it's a
terrible experience, but you come out on
the other end of it. And
>> Rick Perry was also talking about how
he's experienced natural brain atrophy
being a man in his 70s. Yeah.
>> He went and got an examination after he
did it and his brain atrophy had dropped
by 25%. He went back in 6 months later.
It was all gone. Just that alone. Wow.
Think about all the elderly people out
there that are suffering for memory loss
and all these different issues that
people have that that could fix them and
that it's literally just one experience
that you have that takes 12 hours and
when it's over you're better. That's
crazy. And that we've keep kept this
from people. There's no chance of people
being addicted.
>> The money somebody wants to control.
>> But at some point in time we've got to
be human. All these money people have to
realize you're you only have a certain
amount of time on on this planet. need
to shut them out
>> and you have an opportunity to make the
world a better place. And we got to say
no to people that just want personal
>> money. They just want personal funds
that going to go to their money that's
going to go to their bank accounts,
going to go to their company, their
corporation, personal benefit, and at
the expense of who knows how many
people, including literal heroes.
>> When's enough for those guys?
>> Yeah. When is enough enough? I mean,
this is the same feeling that I have
about this disclosure stuff. Like I
don't care what it's going to affect. I
don't care like if there's real things
out there that we don't know about. You
as a human being have no right to keep
that from the rest of humanity. There's
I don't care what your title is. I don't
care what three-letter organization you
work for. You're a human being and you
have an obligation to the other human
beings to alert us. The fact that
there's people that have if this is real
and there's people that have gone to
their grave with this information that
would literally change the course of
human history. That's a crime. It's a
real crime.
>> Could you imagine the poor countries,
the people that suffer, you know, the
deserts and things like that if you
could you could cool their huts or
whatever and we get out of these
worthless wars which are over oil all
the time, right? And it just it would
end it all in just a stroke of the pen
almost.
>> What do you think it is like when when
you
>> I've I go back and forth. I I know it's
a little crazy and this will probably
cost me action because they've tried to
use it against me in the past.
>> It will only help you at this point.
>> Well, I think um I think we need to look
at these deep water areas. I have a hard
time believing that something can travel
light years in some suspended state.
They have to be in some kind of
suspended state. So, I have a trouble
with that. Um, those five gentlemen that
came to my house, four or five, they
came to my house that time, they were
talking about a moon that was around
Saturn or Jupiter that they done some
testing with that they that they think
would be capable of something. And the
moon was larger than our Earth, of
course. But, um,
>> there's a moon that's larger than our
Earth.
>> Yeah. Around Jupiter or Saturn, I
>> That doesn't make any sense. I don't
think that's correct.
>> Yeah, maybe I'm wrong. Check it out.
>> Yeah. No, no, no. There's no moons that
are larger than a planet.
>> No, it's not.
>> I don't think so. Our planet.
>> Well,
>> I don't believe that's true.
>> Circles around it. I don't know. Anyway,
I'm wrong.
>> Is that Is that accurate?
>> Do I not know about this?
>> Says Earth's moon, though.
>> Yeah, but there's not I don't believe
there's a moon out there that's larger
than our planet.
>> These guys seem to think that something
could travel from there. And it was the
quantum physics. I you know after
talking to that admiral you know it
makes me wonder if there is something in
these deep ocean areas that the old
cliche we know more about the surface of
the moon than we do the surface the
ocean floor in some areas I think is
true because we're not down there
>> logically this is that's the one place
where we don't go and it covers 75% of
the earth at least right
>> and if you wanted to hide that would be
I mean if you were monitoring humans
let's say that humans are on this path
of technological evolution and then they
recognize that humans have split the
atom. We've developed atomic weapons and
we've used them and they want to make
sure that we don't blow up the entire
planet before we achieve some sort of
enlightenment, before we bypass whatever
territorial primate
monkey brain stuff that we have that's
causing us to have all these wars and do
all these things that we shouldn't be
doing.
>> And that we're on our way. We're getting
better. We're clearly better than we
were a thousand years ago and better
than we were 3,000 years ago. We're on
our way to being a more advanced
civilization, but it's possible that we
could screw it all up at any point in
time and blow ourselves to smitherines.
I would imagine they would want to
monitor us.
>> One maniac in Iran. Yeah.
>> If they hadn't had stopped that their
nuclear I'm convinced that they're I
mean they were out for Armageddon.
They'd have launched something. They had
the capabilities to go all the way to
England. I think if they put one close
to Israel, it'd be over. And you know,
people like North Korea who have
terrible technology on missiles, the
biggest threat there was if they put one
up in the air that the nuclear cloud
could blow over China. And so there's
that could have had some incredible bad
repercussions.
>> Well, the fact that there's so many
different countries that have nuclear
weapons and we're just relying on these
people to keep their together is
nuts.
>> It's nuts. Completely nuts.
>> And and they're and they're maniacs.
>> Yeah. Well, it's it makes sense that if
you were a super advanced life form from
wherever, that if you wanted to have
base, some sort of a base where you'd
monitor us, it would be in the ocean.
You'd be right there. You could get out
of it real quick and go to wherever you
wanted to go.
>> Orbs was the thing I was thinking of
earlier. Orbs. That's that's the new
word that you hear a lot of. And it's
getting away from saucers and
>> Well, there's a lot of weird stuff with
orbs where people say that they could
summon them.
>> Yeah, I'm I'm not on that. There's
someone a friend of mine wants me to go
and do it with her. She's she's uh my
friend's wife is like experienced it and
she's like, "You got to try it." I'm
like, "Oh,
>> now that to me is
>> I'll I'll say who it is when she comes
on the podcast next. I don't know. I
don't know. I don't have permission to
talk about it. I don't know if she wants
me to talk about it, but
>> uh I'm like, "Okay, what do we got to
do?"
>> Be careful about the sex cult.
>> Well, she's not. That's not I'm worried
about that.
>> I know. You're a good-look guy, Joe.
>> No, no, no. She's
>> She might be digging you.
>> No, no, no, no, no, no. This ain't that.
This is not that. She's been my friend
for 20 years. It's not She's married to
my friend. She has kids. Now,
>> I'm saying the angle that they use.
>> Well, this lady's not that. She's a
comedian. This is not that.
>> Uh is But there are a lot of kooky
people that do uh have sex cults. That
the sex cult every cult turns into a sex
cult, right?
>> Power.
>> You know, I almost bought a building in
Austin that was owned by a cult.
>> No, really?
>> Yeah. Yeah. Um, the original comedy
Mothership was uh the original location
was a place called the One World
Theater. The One World Theater was owned
by this cult. And uh I kind of knew
about it because Ron White told me about
it cuz they had this theater that they
built to uh so that their leader can
perform in front of them. And then the
cult got disbanded. The cult there's a
documentary about the cult called Holy
Hell. And uh yeah, it's crazy. It's cra
but it's a sex cult. There was a guy who
is a, get this, he started out in
California and he was a gay porn star
and a hypnotist, which is a wonderful
combination if you want to start a club
>> like you do.
>> Yeah. And also a yoga teacher. So, he
starts out teaching these people yoga.
And I don't know if I've ever taken yoga
before.
>> I've taken a bunch of yoga classes with
bunch of different instructors and most
of them have been amazing, but a few of
them were very culty. Very culty. And
there's this one guy that I took classes
from way back in the day, like more than
20 years ago. And he was in California
and he was sleeping with a bunch of the
ladies that were there. And he was kind
of
>> he was kind of like a cult guy. Like he
was like following him into it,
>> singing singing stupid songs, but it was
like very full of himself. It was gross.
He was gross. And you know, everything
wound up falling apart for that guy. But
>> then he ran for Congress. And
>> yeah, but there's a lot of these people
that for whatever reason, that's where
it all boils down to. They want to have
sex with everybody's wife and they want
to run and everything and they want, you
know, run-of-the-mill and have, you
know, it's very strange. But
>> that's where the demonic stuff comes in
with Christians. When you call these
things down, they
>> Well, why do you think that that has to
do with sex cults? Why would the aliens
have to do with what?
>> I don't think it's the aliens. I think
it's um I just think some people are
abusing the people's they think that
they're they're using their belief in
UFOs to draw them in and to some sort of
thing. And
>> have you knowledge of this kind of
stuff?
>> Yeah.
>> No, I get all of it. I hear about all of
it. I
>> can you name names? Can you talk about
like
>> not on the air? Okay.
>> I don't want to get sued.
>> Okay. Um, so the underwater bases uh or
the underwater
this what an admiral told me. Okay.
>> So, did he say locations that these
things are coming from or is there an
actual physical base that they've
observed?
He said that the
they don't have the capabilities to get
down that deep actually. Um but they did
say that that the sightings were
happening in about in in I think four of
the five deep water areas around our
world. And so,
>> and he didn't have any other, you know,
and then I was on talking about it and
somebody said Tim Burchett says that
they're underwater bases, you know, and
then um, you know, and they they had uh
Gates was on the other day and he so he
was he was briefed. I just told what I
was briefed on and he was briefed by a
guy that said it was in in uniform that
said that they were breeding um they
were capturing people and breeding them
with with these aliens. And you know, he
just talked. So yeah, he was on you can
pull it up. I mean Matt Gates, he talked
about it. He didn't say he believed it,
but you know, we talk about we get
briefed on. That's what I'm talking
about. The scop they here's part of the
problem, too. They bring you information
and you go forward with this and this
is, oh, this is the truth. You know,
these underwater bases, whatever, and
then they prove it doesn't exist, and
then they just discredit you and they
discredit the whole movement. So that's
why I'm very cautious anytime anybody
brings me any information or pictures or
>> testimony or you know third cousins
recollection.
>> Yeah, that is the disinformation thing
is a problem. They'll tell you some
truth and mix it in with some really
kooky stuff and then you say the kooky
stuff along with it and the kooky stuff
just discredits everything that's true.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. And Lazar talked about that too.
He said they would tell people certain
things that weren't true and they would
tell different people different things
that weren't true. So if the story got
leaked out, they would know who leaked
it. It was like a hook. So that anchor
would be like, "Oh, that was Mike. Mike
told the story." That's when I've uh I
always warn our other members when we go
into the skiff and talk about stuff that
that you know this that's first time
I've ever heard that one or or that's
that's sort of what we heard the last
time [snorts] and then I said everybody
just be real careful with it because if
it if it gets out then they'll come
after you or if it they want it to get
out so they can discredit you and make
you look like a fool. So they talk to
you about deep water areas where
sightings occur and so it's just a
presumption that somewhere in that deep
water they're emanating from that
they're
>> well he also he described um
>> it is Gat Gates claims whistleblower
told him of alien human hybrid program.
[laughter]
[gasps] The alleged program involved
captured extraterrestrials mating with
abducted humans from war zones and
migrant caravans to create hybrids for
intergalactic communication. He claimed
the whistleblower identified between six
and 12 such facilities in the US and
sought coordinated congressional visits
to prevent relocation of the activities
though Gates did not verify any of the
information. How could you [laughter]
ver you going to talk to the hybrids?
Yeah. Also,
>> I just want to go I just want to go to
the t-shirt shop.
>> Yeah, the pastor's thing that I sent
you, Jamie.
>> Yeah, that's bonkers. Think about
>> I don't buy that. I don't
>> So, this is a guy. It says his name is
uh Allan Daido.
>> Yeah.
>> And uh it's weird. Capital D, lowercase
I, capital D, lowercase I
>> did.
>> Dido.
Um after sitting in a private meeting
with pastors and those connected to
these investigations, the message was
clear. UFO and UAP disclosure is coming.
Pastors must prepare their people now.
Silence is not an option. Well, what
does that mean? Like what are they
preparing the people for? Like what why
would they bring
>> a group of pastors I've never heard of?
You know how
>> I do I think it is. I think if he'd have
brought anybody in, he brought Franklin
Graham in.
>> Is this gentleman a pastor himself?
Click on his uh
>> Yeah, he run Well, I mean, he also has a
show which is uh
>> Of course he does.
>> Of course he does. was the
>> Oh, so his show is about disclosure,
>> the Revival Nation Church or something.
No, no, I don't know that. This is just
what these clips were coming around.
>> Can you click on his bio, please? Like
what it clicks what it says. Equipping
end time believers for the next great
awakening. Oh boy. [laughter] I also I
would warn people that think we're in
the end times. The Bible is pretty clear
about that. It says that they don't even
the angels in heaven don't even know
>> when the end times are,
>> when the end's coming. So,
>> yeah. Well, that's I'm always very
suspicious of people that say the end
times are coming. I remember when we
were I was living in LA, there was a a
billboard. Do you remember those
billboards, Jamie? Where there was the
guy was like saying a very specific date
where the the end was coming. The
rapture was going to and then it didn't
happen. He's like, I got some bad
information. It's coming soon.
>> Yeah, I did my math wrong. I remember I
I see those all the time. I just shake
my head. It ain't happening.
>> Yeah, that's the guy. May 21st, 2011,
cry mightily unto God. Judgement day. Oh
boy. And it's look at look at the gold
stamp. The Bible guarantees it.
>> By the way, I read the Bible. I never
read anything where there's a guarantee
of this day.
>> Yeah.
>> May [snorts] 21st,
2011.
>> Yeah. Um, so when they tell you things,
is there anything that they tell you
that you could tell us?
Like how much of what they told you is
like completely top secret that you're
not allowed to say until they disclose
it?
>> A lot of it.
>> A lot of it. Yeah.
>> Is there anything that really disturbs
you?
Yeah, we had one meeting and it got into
some u stuff that they were talking
about and the treatment of people and um
the capabilities and this was
>> the treatment of people by these
supposed extraterrest
but but that were we're were trying to
come forward with this stuff but also
yeah they told me some pretty creepy
stuff. So, I would um again,
you know, I bring this out and then
they're busting my ass for it. But the
>> What do you think is going on? Like, so
>> I think it's a cover up. I think there's
something else out there. I do not think
we're the best that God can do. And I
really just don't know, Joe. There's so
many options. It could be. um one of
these groups that met with me, they they
described several different um types of
beings and they go through all of them.
How you know
>> how many different types of beings?
>> I don't know, three, four, five. I don't
know. I It just changes. I don't I don't
get caught up in that, you know. And I
tell our guys, I say, "Look, here's the
argument. Just say I just want to know
what we're spending tens of millions of
dollars on. That's all. I don't care if
I I don't it's not about little green
man. It's not about flying saucers. It's
what are we spending this money on if
they say they don't exist? That should
be the answer the question and then and
the answer will come from that.
>> Okay. So, if they do exist,
when you say you think it's a cover up,
what do you think?
>> I think I think I think Well, I think
they really do exist. And I don't think
that there's such a such a finite group
of people that actually know it. And um
and you got a lot of charlatans out
there that say they know it and they're
out there, they're selling memberships,
>> of course,
>> but um I I think there's there's
something to it.
>> I'm always very suspicious of anybody
who speaks definitively about something
like that where you can't possibly know
and then they don't offer up any proof
of this.
>> They say, "Well, I've seen the
pictures." Well, bring me the dad gum
pictures. Yeah,
>> but I have seen some pictures and I have
seen video and I have
>> What's the most convincing thing that
you've seen?
I don't know. Those guys came out the
house. That was pretty convincing. Yeah,
that was before the um before the
hearings that we had.
>> How clear was the video?
>> Clear as a screen. I mean, it was pretty
clear. Um you know, and that was preAI.
AI was such a new thing. And then it
[clears throat] fit in with what the tic
tac videos were. And the um the heat
signature is what always what I always
thought was unusual cuz it had to have a
heat signature but it didn't.
>> It's a zero point energy whatever that
is.
>> Right.
>> And then
the just the quantum physics angle of it
is mindblowing to me.
>> And you have no knowledge of what's
supposed to be released because it where
today's Wednesday.
>> I'm going to know tomorrow at 3.
>> Tomorrow at 3 p.m. Is that when the
world knows? No, I think they're going
to ask me. Just give me a little bit of
it. But I got a feeling they're not
going to tell me much. I got a feeling
they're not going to tell America much.
>> When is it supposed to be disclosed?
This week,
>> whatever they're going to disclose.
>> I don't know. I don't know. But if
they're going to disclose it to us, then
it'll be out right as soon as they hang
up the phone with some guys.
>> Do you feel an obligation if they don't
release it to try to tell people what
you know?
>> I do. I do. I do. I think it's um cuz I
don't like it if they're lying to us.
And I I again I don't think Trump knows.
I mean these people have kept this stuff
secret. I here's another thing. I was in
one meeting and a guy said I said what
about the president on this? And he said
the president's on a need to know basis.
Now that's a federal employee saying
that he or she has
information that the president is not
allowed to see. And I I I just was a
gasp, man. I said, you know, you that's
the kind of crap you see on some the
sci-fi network or something. But that
>> that'd be the title of my book. I mean,
that that that that ought to tell you
right there that that this thing is a is
a cover up. And I don't and I and it's
kind of like MK Ultra. I don't think
we're going to get the they're not going
to tell us everything.
I really don't. I don't think they're
going to give us
half of what we should get.
>> But you think we're gonna get something?
>> I think we're gonna get something.
>> Do you know how put off? Do you know how
put off?
>> Do what?
>> Do you know how put off? You know who he
is?
>> I thought you saying I thought you know
how put off you are right now. I was
like [laughter] how put off are you?
>> How put off was in the documentary as
well. He was in the age of disclosure
and he was a guest on the podcast and
one of the things that he told me is
that during the Bush administration they
brought in him and a bunch of other
scientists and thought leaders and what
was explained to him was that they are
considering disclosure and that there
have been visits of these super
intelligent beings from somewhere else
that we have retrieved crashed vehicles
and that we have biological remains.
That's correct. We are talking about
disclosing. We would like you to make a
list of all the ways that it'll
negatively affect society and all the
ways that it'll positively affect
society and attach a numerical value to
these things. And they all did it. And
every one of them said the negatives far
outweigh the positives in terms of the
impact on government, the impact on the
economy, religion, all the all these
different factors and how the how it
would disrupt society. And in the end,
they decided not to disclose.
>> Yeah, I've heard that many times. I I
just don't buy it.
>> You don't buy it?
>> I don't buy it. I mean, I I don't doubt
what he's saying. I know all those guys
now that you mentioned I was in movie,
of course, and I've met them all
afterwards, but I don't I just don't buy
that. I think we should know. Let us
know. Let us decide.
>> No, I believe that, too. But I I wonder
what that meeting was like and whether
or not they were being truthful to these
people or whether it was a thought
experiment.
>> Allegedly, when they told Jimmy Carter,
he cried.
>> That's what I heard, too.
>> I was It was
>> I won't go into all of it, but I was in
a meeting.
>> What would make him cry?
>> I don't know. I know he's a very
sensitive guy, but
>> I understand, but I mean like I cried
when I saw Old Yeller.
>> Yeah, I did too. [laughter] Still cry.
But they um uh he he had seen a UFO, you
know, he was on a Navy sub, nuclear sub,
and um I don't know if he saw that when
he was on the sub or not. I can't
remember, but you know, here he said,
"That guy, he's president of the United
States." And he
>> they told him something and supposedly
he cried. And I was in the meeting and I
uh that was brought up and the guy that
they were trying to trip up gave the
date of that meeting and he said you can
go to the Carter Library and pull up
that date and you'll know there's one
person they omitted their name which who
knows who that was but they list the the
meeting and where he was when he got
that that briefing.
>> Wow.
So, I don't know. I don't know.
>> I don't know either.
>> I don't know if that's true or not. You
know, they also say Nixon pulled up one
night to Jackie Gleason's and took
>> I know that story.
>> Yeah.
>> Well, you know, Jackie Gleason built
that crazy house in upstate New York. Do
you know about that?
>> Do not?
>> Oh, you don't? It was for sale a while
back. Um Jackie Gleason essentially
built a UFO house. He built a house that
looked like a flying saucer. No kidding.
Yeah. It was for sale fairly recently
within the last few years. That's the
house.
>> Oh crap.
>> That's a house Jackie Gleason built
after supposedly Richard Nixon took him.
So supposedly the story was they were
golfing, out drinking, and Richard
Nixon's like, "Hey, you want to see some
shit?" And then [laughter] he took him
to see this UFO somewhere on some base.
You know, the story is very vague. It's
hard to tell what what actually
happened, but apparently people that
knew Jackie Gleason said it profoundly
affected him. And Jackie Gleason became
obsessed with UFOs afterwards. And then
he had this house built
>> the shape of a UFO, which is I mean, not
evidence, but weird.
>> That's very weird.
>> Weird.
>> Yeah. And Nixon um Nixon was a very
serious guy. That would have been a that
would have been an interesting uh
>> Yeah. scenario
>> indeed.
>> But I
I just wish they'd
show us everything.
>> Yeah, me too. Well, we'll see. We'll see
what what comes out this week. But, uh,
thank you very much for being here. I
really appreciate it. It was great to
talk to you.
>> I wish I could get you to move to East
Tennessee.
>> Why?
>> Well, we saved Texas ass, man. You know,
Davy Crockett. Yeah, Davy Crockett back
in the day.
>> Yeah. He said, um, he [snorts] was in
Congress and got beat. He was a state
legislator and he got he got beat in the
Congress. He said, "As for," let's see,
see, his quote was, "As for me, he says,
"For you all, you can all go to hell. As
for me, I'm going to Texas." He got He
goes to Alamo gets killed. But
[laughter] he parlayed that into a
Disney special, so he kind of evened
out. Yeah.
>> Sort of.
>> Sort of.
>> Sort of. I'm very partial to Texas.
>> Well, all right. We're low tax state. I
know. Texas low.
>> I just love it here. I love a lot of
things about Tech. I love the people.
It's a fun place to be.
>> Yeah. My buddy Chip Roy, he's leaving.
He's from down here. A bunch of these
guys in Congress are down here that are
leaving
>> and they're going to Tennessee.
>> No, they're coming down here. He's a
down here. But no, they're just they're
all coming home. They're tired of
Washington.
>> Yeah.
>> Well, Latrell told me I said, "Why are
you leaving Congress, dude?" And he
says,
>> "Want to spend time with my family, my
kids. They're growing up." And I was
like, "Can't argue with that, brother."
>> Yeah. And the pressure of Congress, the
pressure of Washington, DC is just so
odd. I've only been there a couple
times, but every time I'm there when I
leave, I'm like, "Yuck."
>> It's like when I used to, you know, I
used to minister [snorts] to a guy in
prison and when you'd leave Brushy
Mountain State Prison, you I I called it
that institutional smell. Whatever they
used to clean that place, you just smell
like it for you could smell it in your
nose for days later. And that's
Washington DC. It's a It's more of a
filthy smell.
>> Yeah, it's a weird place. I guess it's
necessary supposedly, but it's it's odd
to visit. But I appreciate people like
you.
>> Thank you, brother. I appreciate you.
And I appreciate you doing the right
thing, especially for our veterans and
on disclosure and all the other hot
button issues.
>> And you got Hecklefish right there.
>> I do. Hecklefish.
>> He said my name on his show one time.
Yeah, I love that show. He said my name
one time. He said it wrong, but he's a
Yankee, so I guess it's okay. It's like
Bersett or something. I don't know.
>> Thank you very much. It was awesome. All
right. [music] Thank you. Bye everybody.
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