There has been an 80-year cover up of
the existence of non-human intelligent
life covered up by elements of the US
government. But this past Friday, the
first trunch of evidence was released to
the public.
>> And the evidence is absolutely clear
that there is some form of life with
advanced technology. They're all over
the place.
>> But the people involved in gatekeeping
this information don't think the public
can handle the truth. People have had
their lives threatened. A lot of them
are afraid to come forward and tell the
White House what they know. And this has
been kept from even sitting presidents
and I've interviewed highle intelligence
officials and government officials and
there have been UAP crashes over the
years and in some cases the crashed
crafts had the bodies of nonhumans in
>> and now we have people on ships seeing
these things enter the water it's seen
enough times under enough different
conditions that we just have to accept
that it's real.
>> So what exactly is inside this report?
We have so many sightings, even access
to materials.
>> And there's a number of files, reports,
video, and still images that were
declassified. And the most notable piece
of evidence in there is this. So, I have
so many questions. You're probably
familiar with this NASA report. They
essentially say that they didn't believe
that these UAPs are aliens. Why would
NASA be lying? Is there a reason why
this stuff hasn't been captured on like
an iPhone? Are they currently living
amongst us? And then do you trust the
Trump administration to release all of
the available information?
>> I think eventually we'll get to that
moment that we've all only seen in
movies where sitting president steps to
a microphone and tells the world we're
not alone in the universe.
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Dr. Harold Dan, I wanted to have a
conversation with both of you today
because you are two of the most popular
voices online on this subject of UAPs,
which is unidentified anomalous
phenomena.
>> Right. Exactly.
>> It has been in all the news recently
because Trump a couple of days ago
released 400 classified files containing
videos and photos and different reports
on this subject of UAPs. Now, I
don't have an opinion. I I honestly
haven't gone that far down the rabbit
hole on this subject, but I wanted to
have the conversation with both of you
because you do have opinions. So,
starting with you, Dan, what is your
background and as it relates to this
subject of UAPs, what is it that you
believe that most people don't know or
understand?
>> My interest in this topic comes from my
childhood. And so, over the years, I
just I read every book on the topic,
watched every doc. I always wish someone
had made a super serious, credible,
sober documentary that only interviews
people who have direct knowledge of this
topic as a result of working for the US
government. And so got into producing.
As I was getting access to high level
intelligence officials and government
officials before I even filmed, I really
quickly learned how serious and real the
situation is and how uh serious it's
treated behind the scenes. And you know,
I made this movie, The Age of
Disclosure, in secrecy over three and a
half years. And I would say the
headlines that I learned that the
average person doesn't know is that
there has in fact been an 80-year cover
up of the existence of non-human
intelligent life. It has been covered up
by elements of the US government since
at least the late 40s. Other nations
have also covered this up. And the other
major headline is that the people who
within the US government that have been
gatekeeping this, they've also been
involved in a highstakes secret cold war
race with adversarial nations like China
and Russia to reverse engineer this
technology of non-human origin. And and
the stakes couldn't be higher. Those are
the two massive headlines. And and I'm
proud to say when the film came out, it
created a national conversation uh at at
an unprecedented level and it led to
President Trump issuing this directive
in the middle of February. Super
unprecedented historic directive
instructing federal agencies to start
declassifying evidence it has they have
of non-human intelligent life and UAP.
And then that process began this past
Friday. the first trunch of evidence was
released to the public.
>> And during the process of producing this
documentary,
who did you speak to?
>> I got access to the highest levels of
the government, military, and
intelligence community. My interview
subjects range from Secretary Rubio,
who's also our National Security Adviser
now, White House National Security
Council members, Navy Fighter pilots,
admirals, generals, former secretary of
defense, uh the leadership of all the
recent classified US government UAP
investigations. Every single person is
extremely credible. Howal how is one of
my interview subjects. 's uh one of the
most senior scientists uh to work on
this topic for the US government in
classified projects and him and all
these other people interviewed. They had
a lot of information they could legally
share over the years, but they were
always discouraged from doing so and
they never really had the opportunity to
comfortably do it. No one wanted to be
the one guy out on a limb saying
something extraordinary on CNN or Fox or
60 Minutes and then being subject to the
the push back and the ridicule. And so
when I realized that I I started
socializing a plan for how to step out
of the shadows arm and arm with safety
and numbers.
>> I'll pick up on that point there where
you talked about safety and numbers. How
he he mentioned you there. You're part
of the documentary. I saw you as well in
the trailer of the documentary. What is
your background and why what reference
points are you drawing on to speak on
the subject of UAPs and UFOs etc? I'm a
quantum physicist worked for the
National Security Agency for various uh
organizations in the intelligence
community like CIA and so on. And so as
part of my technical work uh I was also
a consultant uh chief science adviser to
Robert Bigalow of Bigalow Aerospace.
He's really quite quite a titan. I mean
he has two space stations orbiting the
Earth. So anyway, th those people who
are in in the space business and they're
moving out into space, they just can't
help but wondering, you know, what are
we going to run into when when we get
out there? As a science adviser to him,
uh it turned out that the Defense
Intelligence Agency came forward and
said, uh you know, we need to find out
uh really what's going on in the
so-called UAP area.
>> So you worked with someone called Robert
Bigalow. He's the guy who knows
everything about what is possible in
terms of aerospace technology and and
anything that would be in the air or
space. Simply put, one day, one of his
colleagues comes into his office, pulls
him into a skiff and shows him a video
that Air Force security guards took over
a nuclear weapons site. It was a
triangle UAP hovering over a nuclear
weapon site.
this colleague said, "Please tell me
this is one of ours, like one of our
black projects, you know, some advanced
cutting edge technology that's ours."
And he knew instinctively it it was not.
That set him down a rabbit hole. He's
like, "There's got to be some office
somewhere in the intelligence community
that handles UFOs." So, he went all over
trying to find it, him and his
colleague. They couldn't find one. So,
then they determined they were just
going to start a UAP program. That
program they started was called OAP.
They hired all the team, for example,
HAL. And that program started in 2008.
Um, and got a lot of push back behind
the scenes because it turned out when
they looked all over the intelligence
community to see if there was another
UFO program and didn't think there was,
turns out there was one. And there was a
deeply hidden program referred to as the
legacy program.
>> And it had been operating in the shadows
since the ' 40s, uh, outside of
congressional oversight, outside of the
oversight of the White House. um
completely, you know, off off
>> completely hidden away. Yeah.
>> As hidden as a program could be. And so
they started pushing back behind the
scenes against everyone involved in OAP
because they didn't want anyone else
looking into this, right? Started to
cause a lot of bureaucratic issues for
them, red tape issues, and ultimately
OAP lost its funding in 2010 despite the
fact that it was looking into very real
issues like UAP over our nuclear weapons
sites. It shut down in 2010. Why do you
think it shut down?
>> They were dealt uh these bureaucratic
hurdles behind the scenes by people
involved in the legacy program. People
who just caused problems and prevented
funding and it's a lot of you know it's
a big bureaucracy. People can people can
do things behind the scenes to prevent
funding from coming through uh for
programs. And so ultimately they lost
their their funding in 2010. and then
Jay Stratton and other people involved.
They were continuing to look into this
because they they didn't want this
serious national security concern to go,
you know, on uninvestigated, right?
>> So that's how somebody like me gets
pulled in. They say, "Okay, these pilots
are out there and they suddenly see
craft coming out of the ocean and making
right angle turns at 6G or whatever."
And they say, "Oh my god, this is way
beyond our physics." So I and other
physicists sort of dug into you know
what could be responsible for this and
we actually found that just like we use
so-called Maxwell's equations and
electromagnetic stuff for everything we
do in electromagnetics
we have Einstein's equations in general
relativity for you know black holes and
all that kind of stuff but turns out if
you could engineer those you would
actually get the same effects that
people were observing with these UAP
crafts so we think we've come up with
you know what it is about uh the science
of it. It's just that we don't have the
engineering to do it.
>> Do you believe in UAPs?
>> Absolutely believe in UAPs because I've
been exposed to data about them.
>> A more specific question would be, do
you believe in aliens?
>> Yeah. So, a number of the people I
interviewed went on the record stating
that they know from their own personal
experiences that there have been UAP
crashes over the years that have been
recovered by elements of the US
government. And in some cases, the the
crashed crafts had the bodies of
non-humans in them. And numerous people
I interviewed went on the record saying
that. And keep in mind, everyone I
interviewed only shared what they
lawfully could. there was a line they
couldn't cross. Everyone I interviewed
is aware of classified information. They
they they can't talk about, but they
went right up to the line and uh made it
clear that there had been recoveries of
non-human bodies. A couple people
actually testified under oath to
Congress saying the same thing.
>> Why wouldn't they be able to talk about
it publicly?
>> Well, when you're involved in certain
programs, uh you sign certain agreements
that prevent you from sharing right
specific
>> information, highly classified programs.
And of course the big concern is okay
whatever we might learn about these kind
of craft and and so on. Our adversaries
are out there and probably been there
have been crashes in Russia, crashes in
China. And so if we reveal what we're
learning about the subject area and you
know said it publicly then it might help
some potential adversary
step get a step ahead. So
>> that's why it's all just kept really
close in.
>> So a saying that I heard often from my
interview subjects, you can't tell your
friends without telling your enemies.
Meaning you can't tell the public what
we know and don't know without also
telling China and Russia what we know
and don't know. And giving them that
information might give them a
competitive advantage. And the the
obvious question anyone would ask when
hearing that is then well, okay, so
what's shifted? Why is why is that no
longer the leading thought? Secrecy is
best. And the answer is because the US
is in a really high stakes race, a
technology race against these
adversaries to reverse engineer
technology of non-human origin. And the
secrecy around it in the US since the '
40s has created a scenario where the
scientific community and academia don't
even know it's real. They don't even
know it's a valid area of inquiry.
>> Don't even believe it's real.
>> Yeah. I mean the smartest kids
graduating at MIT this year, they are
not thinking that this is something they
can put their brain power towards.
>> So come back to the question, do you
believe in aliens?
>> I 100% believe that non-human
intelligent life is here and has been
here for a long time.
>> When you say here, do you mean currently
living amongst us?
>> I don't know about the living amongst us
part about that.
>> I don't know about that, but
>> rule it out. There is there is UAP
activity being reported on a daily basis
by commercial airlines pilot commercial
aine pilots to the FAA by Navy fighter
pilots off the east coast being reported
you know up the military chain of
command and on top of that uh regular
activity over on nuclear weapons sites
inside the United States. It's happening
on a regular basis uh on the on on the
nuclear sites and on a daily basis in
commercial air travel space.
>> UAP have come over nuclear uh missile
sites and actually turned off the
missiles.
And so, you know, once something like
that happens, you just got to take it
seriously.
>> And there the technology that they're
displaying is technology that no humans
have.
And again, there has been some crashes.
And in those crashes, there have been
the bodies of nonhumans.
>> How do we know that? How do we know that
in those crashes they've recovered
bodies of nonhumans?
>> The whistleblowers basically coming
forward from the
>> So the basis of the that evidence is
that some people have said it
>> at this point until until
previously classified information
regarding crashes is and recoveries is
declassified. Mhm.
>> Until that happens, the best we could
hope for is credible people putting
their reputation on the line to tell you
this is what's been happening.
>> Did someone during your process of
making the documentary who had seen
non-alien non-human life, non-human
intelligence tell you that?
>> Yeah.
>> Who was that?
>> A number of people, but notably, you
know, uh Jay Stratton, who we just
talked about.
>> Yes. Right. who co-created, co-founded
OAP and then became the director of the
UAP task force, the largest whole of
government investigation of UAP ever.
>> What did he say?
>> He went on the record in the film saying
that he's seen non-human beings and
non-human craft with his own eyes. That
was the farthest he could go at that
point.
>> Why did he say he couldn't go further?
>> Uh he he he he had a situation that he
was involved in that um for a few
reasons. He wasn't he just wasn't
comfortable talking about it yet. And
some of it I think he just wanted to
make sure he legally could. Now going
back to credibility like take a guy like
Jay saying that when Jay retired a few
years back he was part of the senior
executive services of the federal
government. That's a level less than 1%
of all federal employees ever reach. You
know it's the equivalent of a twoar
admiral or general. Um very very senior
very trusted you know cleared at a very
high level. Um he had worked with naval
intelligence in a senior capacity. uh he
had worked with the CIA, he had worked
with the Defense Intelligence Agency as
the head of air and space warfare. He's
a super serious, credible guy.
>> Yeah.
>> And he's he's he's putting his
reputation on the line to share this
information
um to the extent that he legally could
and comfortably could.
>> And when you asked him why
the world doesn't know this stuff in his
view, what did he what would he say?
>> There's a lot of reasons. I mean
certainly the you know the idea that we
can't tell our friends without telling
our enemies has been a driver to just to
recap the reasons for secrecy I I I
actually believe it it's better kind of
start from the beginning when this first
when when in 1947 there was a crash at
Roswell of non-human origin and uh yeah
RA RAF captures flying saucer on ranch
in Roswell region. Yeah that's right
>> and then this is the image of their
coverup story trying to show a weather
ballooner. Yeah. So, multiple people
might film go on the record saying the
Roswell crash really happened. Uh,
technology of non-human origin and
non-human bodies were recovered. Um, if
you put yourself in the shoes of the
military and government at that point,
like put yourself in Truman and, you
know, Eisenhower shoes, you're just
coming out of World War II. The world
was just chaos for a very long time.
It's finally starting to settle down.
You can't exactly step to the microphone
and tell America that there's a new
threat that we know nothing about and we
can't protect you from. They're far
advanced. You know what? But what's the
advantage of that? So secrecy became the
plan at that point and they had more
questions than answers. So everyone I've
talked to who gave me context uh
explained that the the the the plan for
secrecy went in motion there. Uh let's
investigate. Let's find out more about
what we don't know before we tell the
American people. That was quickly
followed by the Cold War era and we
learned that Russia also had retrieved
technology of non-human origin. And so
we knew we were in a technology race. So
then the idea of can't tell your friend
without telling your enemy ruled the
day. So now the cold war mentality, you
know, led to more secrecy. And as a
security rapper for this this program
that it that it started, uh they created
the stigma in the late 40s, early 50s,
this cultural stigma, this idea that
you're crazy if you look into this
topic. You're wacky. You'll have your
reputation ruined. You'll have your
career ruined. It was actually a CIA
meeting where people got together and
said, "Okay, in order to not have people
be pursuing this area, let's go out of
our way to spread what we would call now
disinformation about
>> basically the most effective
disinformation campaign in the history
of the US government because it got into
our culture. Some movies were funded
that made aliens seem silly and the idea
of life from elsewhere seem ridiculous
and that got compounded over the years
and then we got to the point where where
we were like you know just just like few
years ago where the average person just
thinks it's not real. You know the
average scientists academia
>> you know they think it's conspiracy
stuff. It's nonsense. It's silly. Um
there was no advantage for elected
leaders to get in front of this or for
military members to you know speak up
about what they learned or saw. it would
be a career ruiner. Um, and uh, that
started to shift uh, several years back
when Jay Stratton and Jim Lowsky when
they put together OAP in 2010 and they
started to go out there and collect data
um, and get evidence and they started to
actually share it with the Senate
Intelligence Committee and the Senate
Armed Service Committee and looking at
classified data in a classified setting.
People like Marco Rubio, who was the
vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence
Committee at the time, started to
realize, you know,
>> there's something here.
>> Not only is there something here, but
we've got a problem, right? There's a
lot of lot of UAP activity over these
highly classified sites like our nuclear
weapons sites. There's a lot at stake.
We are in this, you know, race with
other nations. And the stigma has
created a disadvantage for us. It's very
hard to win a technology race when the
majority of your scientists don't know
it's a valid area of inquiry, right? And
do people think that there's one type of
non-human intelligence that's visiting
the earth or is there many many types?
>> People who have been involved in
recoveries have said
>> there at least four types. Four separate
types. Now I have not had direct access
to that but I I believe the people who I
talked to
>> four different types of life.
>> Four different types of life at least.
And the people I've talked through to,
you know, through the process of making
the documentary, both on camera and off
the record sources and the people how's
talked to over the decades have said
that there are there have been dozens of
recoveries of crashed craft in the US
alone. Dozens of craft of non-human
origin that either crashed organically
or caused a crash and then recovered.
And have you spoken to people who you
talked about Jay. Have you spoken to
other people that have worked on these
crashed crafts?
>> I've tal I've talked off the record with
some people who are involved in
recoveries.
>> They would not go on camera to do
interviews. Special forces people that
would not go on camera to do interviews.
One I actually thought I've I've
mentioned this in another interview, but
um one I thought was going to do an
interview and then a couple days before
sent me a message saying after further
consideration and long talks with my
wife, I decided I'd be forfeiting my
life if I participated in your
interview.
>> And I thought that was like veryill very
unsettling message to get obviously but
also very specific word choice, you
know, forfeiting my life.
>> What did he know? He was a special very
senior special forces guy who had told
me he had been involved in multiple
recoveries. That's what he told me.
>> Okay.
>> And I met him through uh some high level
intelligence people. Early on in my
process, I got connected with the Senate
Intelligence Committee and the Senate
Armed Services Committee and they had on
their own learned the reality of the
situation through the work of OAP and
then ATIP and then the UAP task force
and through their own their own
intelligence channels. Leaders on those
committees wanted to educate the public
about what they could lawfully about
this, but they didn't really have a way
to do it. It's such a complicated
situation. It takes a while to explain
it. You can't do it in like a six-inute
news head on Fox or CNN or even like a
15inute 60-minute segment. You just
can't do it. And no one wanted to be the
one guy trying to do it. So, when I
started putting together the film and
socializing this safe way for people to
step forward, uh it also quickly became
those people's plan for disclosure.
That's why Secretary Rubio participated.
That's why White House National Security
Council members participated. It became
amongst the group of people would learn
the truth. It became the plan for
disclosure. The way to bring this
information out in a thoughtful way.
>> Do the presidents of the United States
know about this stuff? Are they aware?
>> Historically, no.
>> Historically,
>> yeah. And even Rubio says on camera
that, you know, historically this has
been kept from even sitting presidents.
>> Who would know then? So, a number of the
people in my film break down um who's
involved in the legacy program. You
know, simp to put it simply, it's
elements of the CIA, elements of the Air
Force, elements of the Department of
Energy, and a few major defense
contractors. And they have the ability
to access information from a number of
federal agencies and branches of the
military. But the the primary leaders of
this program are the CIA, the Air Force,
the Department of Energy, and major
defense contractors. and Rubio breaks
down in the film the way our bureaucracy
works. Um, you could have career
bureaucrats in positions of power at
those organizations for decades and they
can just wait out sitting presidents.
They can wait out
>> senators sitting presidents as just
temporary help that are going to come
and go.
>> And that's what's been happening up
until this point now. So the fact that
Rubio had learned so much about the
reality of the situation and the extent
of the cover up and then ended up
arguably the second most powerful guy in
the world as our secretary of state and
our national security adviser at the
same time,
>> which has only happened once in US
history, Henry Kissinger for two years,
>> no one else has ever had both those jobs
at the same time. the fact that he ended
up in that position of power and
influence after learning the reality of
the situation and right as the age of
disclosure is coming out and driving
this national conversation it really led
to the current President Trump being
informed about this in a way that no
president has in a very long time. So,
are you saying that the United States
don't think the public are ready to even
know that this exists? Because, you
know, they could tell us that they have
recovered UAPs or aliens, whatever it
might be, without telling us about the
technology.
>> They could, and I think we're going to
get to that point.
>> Yeah. I think they they were trapped in
in this system that had that had grown
up. And uh people behind the scenes
working in the classified programs said,
"Well, you know, we don't know how the
public is going to respond." So, let's
be safe and let's let's just keep it in
house.
>> Do you think Trump believes that there
are aliens? Because I I was looking at
some of his quotes and he said, "Well, I
don't know if they're real or not. I
don't have an opinion on it. I never
talk about it. A lot of people do. A lot
of people believe it."
>> Barack Obama said that aliens are real.
>> Well, he gave classified information.
He's not supposed to be doing that, you
know.
>> So, aliens are real.
>> No, I don't I don't have an opinion on
it. I never talk about it. A lot of
people do. A lot of people believe it.
>> Do you believe it, Peter?
>> Uh, well, if the president can
declassify anything that he wants to, so
I may get him out of trouble by
declassifying.
>> One of the things that came out in the
age of disclosure is that
during Trump's first administration,
his cabinet was briefed by the UAP task
force, by J Stratton. And when he
briefed them, uh, he was told that they
had asked for this briefing because they
needed to be able to evaluate what the
repercussions would be if Trump decided
to step to the microphone and tell the
world we're not alone in the universe.
Obviously, he didn't end up deciding to
do that then. However, in this new
administration,
he's got Rubio in the position of
Secretary of State and National Security
Adviser and fully aware of the situation
and that has given him the comfort to
put this this process in motion. There's
certainly a disclosure process unfolding
right now.
>> Obama said in an interview that he did
with Brian Tyler Cohen, when asked about
aliens, Obama said, "They're real, but I
haven't seen them. They're not being
kept at Area 51. There's no underground
facility unless there's this enormous
conspiracy and they hid it from the
president of the United States." Now,
that sounded to me like kind of sarcasm
when he said, "They're real, but" and
then explained all that they're not
real.
>> They're real, but I haven't seen them.
and and and uh they're not being kept in
uh Area 51. Uh there there's no
underground uh facility unless there's
this enormous conspiracy and they they
hid it from the president of the United
States.
>> So it would appear to me that Obama also
doesn't know of any aliens.
>> I think Obama is largely kept in the
dark. I think he does know that the base
fact that we're not alone in the
universe. And I actually think when he
said they're real, I think he was being
that was just candid honest
>> that was his honest candid genuine
statement. I think when he then said
they're not kept at Area 51, I think
he's also being honest cuz none of my
sources say that UAP and aliens are
being kept at Area 51, they're being
kept somewhere else. Um, so I think he
was being honest there. And I think when
he made the comment of uh unless there's
a giant conspiracy, if you watch the
tape, he like sips his cup and raises
his eyebrow as he said. I think he knows
there's a giant conspiracy. That's the
truth. The following day, uh, Trump was
asked about that on Air Force One and he
responded saying Obama revealed
classified information and he shouldn't
have said that. And, um, I think that's
the truth.
>> Yeah.
>> I think presidents don't don't know and
they're and they're told not to talk
about it.
>> Trump has started to release a lot of
classified information around UAP and
aliens. The first batch of that was
released a couple of days ago. What
exactly is inside this report?
>> There was a number of files, reports, uh
video and uh still images that were
declassified. This is information that
previously had been classified or just
never really made public. Um this was
just the first trunch of uh what has
been what will be released. Uh the most
notable piece of evidence in there is an
image, a still image from the 1972
Apollo mission. It's an image of a
triangle, a seemingly triangle-shaped
craft hovering above the moon and above
the astronauts. And the image was taken
from uh the from the lunar module. And
um you know, the UAP task force looked
into this image years ago uh and
determined it was real. That seems to be
the most glaring piece of evidence in
this this tunch. But I will say this,
how and I both have the same a lot of
the same sources of information. And
everyone we've talked to at various
federal agencies has told us that when
the president gave this directive in
middle of February for federal agencies
to declassify evidence of non-human
intelligent life and UAP, only a few
engaged with it. They only gave a small
percent of what they have
>> and they only had a couple weeks to do
it. Mhm.
>> One of the things I I think I've always
struggled with with the idea of these
kind of conspiracies um is that I don't
know why that information would
necessarily fall into the hands of like
government officials because you know
alien life forms or UAPs would be
visible and would land in anyone's back
garden. So you would you could imagine a
world especially in a world where we
have I don't know like 8 billion iPhones
roaming around. Can imagine a world
where if there was some kind of UAP
crash in my garden, it would be on Tik
Tok within 5 minutes.
>> Yeah.
>> Or if there really was
>> someone got there with an iPhone. You're
right.
>> You know, there was that incident
earlier in the year with those were they
drones in in America flying
>> Jersey
and that was on social media within
minutes and everyone was talking about
it and looking at what they were. I I
don't know. I think in the modern world
because we have so many ways to capture
high quality video, if there was
something out there, we would have seen
a very clear image of this thing by now.
>> That's why there there's a lot that came
out in these files because over the
years, our sensor systems that the
pilots have in their planes have gotten
so much better. They've captured really
astounding.
>> Does this life want to be seen? Do these
aliens want us to know they're there?
I'd have to assume that given the level
of quality of of their technology, if
they didn't want to be seen, we we
wouldn't be seeing them. So, it seems
like I would say there's evidence that
for whatever reason, they're they're
they're wanting to be seen.
>> But also, like I my personal opinion is
that if someone answers that question,
they're answering it through the lens of
like how humans think, right? For all we
know, you know, we're we're ants to
them. You know, you don't hide from the
ants. You walk around them, you don't
even but you also don't pay attention to
them. You know,
>> based on their behavior from the
interviews you've done,
>> how do you think they view us?
>> I I honestly feel like the dynamic is,
you know, we are very very far below
them on the food chain. You know, Hal
makes an analogy in the film. He says,
"The ants in your treeine in your
backyard, they could be there for
generations. You never think about them.
You walk around them. You don't you're
not hiding from them, but like they're
there and you don't really care, right?
But what happens if they evolve one day
and out of nowhere they figured out how
to get into your house and they've
beelined under your under your door and
they're in your living room, right? We
might have evolved technologically over
the last 80 years since we cracked the
atom so quickly that we're now, you
know, the equivalent of the ants showing
up in their living room. Like all of a
sudden,
>> all of a sudden this waring species,
this violent species, humans, you know,
>> um
>> we have we we progressed so quickly. We
went from
>> no real technological prog progress for
a very long time to cracking the atom
and then figuring out nuclear technology
and then continuing to increase, you
know, our our nuclear technology
development. And you know, we have this
program that has been retrieving their
crash craft and trying to reverse
engineer them. So we might be at that
point where we're about to do what they
do and all of a sudden we are a problem.
Um that might be the explanation of why
they pay so much attention to our
nuclear process. You know there's a lot
of UAP activity not only at the nuclear
weapons sites all over the world but um
sites involved in the process the
nuclear process like uranium mines or
refineries. Is it, you know,
>> it might just be we've gotten to the
point where all of a sudden they have
they have to
>> in uh in the Soviet Union, the UAP came
over and actually started a launch of
the Russian missiles. I mean, it
actually forced the system to start into
a countdown process.
>> How do we know that?
>> By the intelligence community's uh
access to information about it. Every
person we spoke to in Beloraviche said
they saw a flying saucer on that day.
For hours, it hovered over the nearby
ballistic missile base. No one had
touched any buttons. No one had entered
any codes. And yet, as the UFO hovered
over the base, the control panel showed
the missiles were preparing to launch.
For 15 agonizing seconds, the base lost
control of its nuclear weapons.
Logically, I would think that unusual
activity would happen around
consequential sites.
>> Yes.
>> You know, I'd be more surprised if there
was really frequent unusual activity
happening in my back garden, for
example. But around highly consequential
sites, one would expect there to be
people flying things around there,
spying. You know what people are like
with cameras these days? They want to
take photos of anything interesting.
They they hang around police stations
and army barracks,
>> right? Right.
>> So logically I would assume that there
would be an increased probability of
strange activity in the sky above a
nuclear site.
>> Well, in fact, there was a group of
people in the intelligence community who
who recognize exactly what you're
saying. And so they decided to, you
know, make an attractive magnet by
getting a whole lot of nuclear uh assets
in one location to see if that would
draw them in. And my understanding it
was successful. So, you know, our nation
and other nations have figured out
circumstances that can, for lack of a
better term, bait UAP.
>> Um, a certain level of nuclear footprint
in a in a small radius tends to attract
them
>> and um, our nation figured that out a
long time ago and and so did other
nations.
>> One of the things that I've thought
about is I I know very little about
physics, but I know one thing I know is
how big the universe is. Now, I'm quite
a big fan of SpaceX. I'm actually an
investor in the company and um
>> from my fascination with space I've
learned just how big the universe is and
how long it would take us to travel from
I don't know earth to the nearest uh
galaxy. The closest star system to us
which is called Alpha Centuria.
>> Alpha Centuria right
>> is over four light years away which is
about 40 24 trillion miles.
>> Mhm. If we traveled at the impossible
10% of the speed of light, which is
impossible, currently impossible, it
would take a ship 40 years to get there.
>> Now, fortunately, what we learned in
looking at what might be the underlying
physics and using Einstein's theory of
general relativity, it turns out that
there are ways of modifying the
effective speed of light to make it much
higher or much lower. So, you you you
can do that. So, so when you get into
potentially modifying
what we call the space-time metric, you
could get to a point where you can make
wormholes and warp drives. And those are
things that are not off the charts. I
mean, there are actually textbooks by
general relativity experts on on the
fact that you could re-engineer the
spacetime. So you could do it. You could
get from here to there.
>> But you're not saying you would travel
in like a like a a a line like you do in
a plane, right?
>> Well, you could you you could it if if
you arrange for the effective speed of
light in that line to be much higher
than without breaking the speed of
light, you can zoom over there very
quickly. So you even even in in a
straight line. uh
>> but no no one at the moment knows how to
do that on earth.
>> We can write the equations and see how
it doesn't violate our physics equations
but we don't have the uh engineering.
So we figured out basically we figured
out
>> how these how these craft are operating
the theory of it but we don't have the
material sciences right what you say
right to replicate it
>> what I'm pointing out is if you travel
at that speed across the universe if you
even hit I don't know an object the size
of a pebble it would be like a nuclear
explosion
>> the thing is if you're modifying uh
space it's sort of like making like like
a surfer wave on on on you know at the
the seashore you you arrange to have
space moving ahead like that. So you
come up to a rock, it's just going to
push it aside.
>> So you can engineer that.
>> This is how I've wrapped my head around
it. Um, essentially they're they're
warping spaceime in a localized area.
They're creating an immense amount of
energy around the craft and it creates
essentially a bubble around the craft
and that bubble separates the craft from
the environment around it.
>> So the environment has no no impact on
the craft. That's why we see transmium
travel like a craft going, you know,
smooth from space to air to the water
without even a splash. The environment
around the bubble has no bearing on the
craft inside it. And the craft inside it
is in its own spaceime. And once you
wrap your head around that, then things
like interstellar travel become totally
possible.
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One of the paradoxes with this is they
appear to be such so advanced in their
physics
>> and their technology if I should call it
that. But at the same time they seem to
be crashing a lot which is
>> well actually some of them have not
crashed but have been simply left in the
desert sort of like a gift or a
donation.
>> We're we're still trying to figure that
out. So I mean some of them do do crash
and and uh it can have maybe some of our
electromagnetic pulsing and laser
pulsing can interfere with their
technology and and and you might get a
crash. Why why don't you why do you
think another country hasn't come
forward with similar disclosures and
similar evidence? I
>> actually think there's a really simple
answer for that. Um I think our allies
follow the US's lead,
>> right?
>> And I think our adversaries,
primarily China and Russia,
>> have no reason to go public. They don't
have the same sort of societies and
dynamics like she can do what he wants
anyway. What's what's the advantage to
him? Same thing with Putin. you know,
there is no advantage. And when you look
at it that way, you really quickly get
to the, you know, this is the way it is
for that reason.
>> They did a study in 2026 and found that
45 planets are likely capable of
supporting life. They called this the
habitable zone. Out of more than 6,000
planets discovered so far by NASA.
>> Mhm.
>> Um, there are approximately a trillion
galaxies in the universe and within
these galaxies, 100,000 planets could
potentially host life, according to
Oxford University. Now, I believe that
if you think about the entire universe,
I believe that we're not the only life
in the universe.
>> Yes. Right.
>> I think that's I mean,
>> I think that's a very scientific
conclusion.
>> Probabilistically, it would be pretty
incredible if we were. I mean, it' be
just it's almost inconceivable that we
are. The question of whether that life
has been here is a question that for me
is still a big question mark because I
just you know I also I think Elon you
know whatever you think about Elon he is
someone that seems to just say what he
thinks and this is part of what's caused
his companies a lot of problem is he
seems to be pretty unfiltered. He has
been asked multiple times as well if he
believes that they are there are aliens
in the in in our galaxy and he has said
on multiple occasions that he doesn't
believe that to be the case and you know
he's launching rockets all the time. He
said, I heard him say, "If anyone should
know, it should be me."
Do you think he knows?
>> I think that you can't operate in space
at at at the level he does or operate as
a contractor at the level he does um
without having clearances that require
secrecy. You know, there's there's
there's all kinds of uh levels of
secrecy. You know, there's everyone
knows the word classified, right?
There's classified projects, but there's
also black projects that are
unagnowledged special access programs
where you literally by law required to
not acknowledge the existence of the
program or anything it does. That's
literally the
>> anything it knows.
>> Yeah, that's literally the whole that
they're literally referred to as
unagnowledged special access programs.
All of his team as well with
>> So if you're involved with an on special
access program and someone asks you
about it,
>> you you have to say you have no idea
what they're talking about
>> and all of his team
>> if if they are a part of the program.
Yeah. But just because someone's um read
it on an unagnowledged special access
program doesn't mean all their employees
are. Elon said um that we have 9,000
satellites up there. He's referring to
his company Starink. And not once have
we had to maneuver around an alien
spaceship. He argues that if aliens were
constantly visiting Earth, the aerospace
experts who watch the skies every day
would be the first to know.
>> Well, look, NASA also has said for
decades that they had no evidence of
extraterrestrial life or UAPs, and last
Friday, the federal government released
a photo of a triangle craft hovering
over the 1972 Apollo space mission. So,
somebody's somebody's not being honest,
>> right?
>> You know, which also implies a lot of
other people know things that they
haven't revealed. I I think I've heard
you say before, how that you think this
intelligent life actually exists amongst
us. Yeah. The quote was, "They are not
occasional visitors. They live secretly
alongside humans, but with advanced
technology.
>> We have so many sightings and so many uh
even access to materials and so on. I
mean, they're all over the place.
>> 65% of Americans believe intelligent
life exists on other planets. Uh 40% of
people say military reported UFOs are
probably evidence of extraterrestrial
life
>> according to Pew Research. And 30% of
Americans believe UFOs or unidentified
flying objects are probably alien ships
of life form. And 47% of Americans
believe aliens have definitely or
probably visited Earth at some point.
According to Yuggov, half of Americans
believe that UFOs/
aliens have definitely or probably
visited life at some point.
>> Quite a lot of people. Well, you see you
see the the age of disclosure film and
the people that came forward. I mean,
you had Clapper, ex uh head of the
office of director of national
intelligence and senator Rubio at the
time now in his elevated position and so
on. You now have people of real quality
and you know they're not lying and
they're coming forth and saying this is
real and we got to deal with it and
there's a lot we don't know about it.
>> Could you be wrong?
>> Um I don't think it's about whether I'm
wrong or Al's wrong. You'd have to
believe that senior leadership across
the government, the military, the
intelligence community that has access
to class information and is saying based
on the classified information they have
seen, this is a real situation. You'd
have to believe all of those people are
lying for some bizarre unexplained
reason.
So, I find that hard to believe.
>> Could it be the case that all of those
people were misinterpreting what they
were seeing? they they saw something,
you know, fighter pilots saw something
moving in their visors when they're up
in
>> not really because
>> I mean in some cases that could be the
case but then when you have actual
materials crash craft bodies that aren't
human
>> also a lot of these sightings um they're
now in the process of the White House
cabinet members are in the process of
identifying where the evidence exists
within federal federal agencies and the
military so they can get access to it
themselves and then determine from there
what can safely be shared with the
public. I think once they get their
hands on more evidence then a plan will
be put in place for telling the world
this conclusion and I think we're we're
it's like
>> more close
>> fa complete basically like it's going to
get to that point relatively soon. If we
get to that point and you get personally
invited in to wherever they're keeping
these materials and you get to see every
single file that exists and as you go
through those files you realize that
a lot of what you've been told is not
true because there's other explanations.
How would it like fundamentally change
the way that you see the world?
Some of some of the UAP we've seen like
take the famous everybody knows the tic
tac UFO, right? Uh that Commander Dave
Fraver, the Navy fighter pilot
interacted with in 2004, right? I'll put
that on the screen for anyone that
hasn't seen it.
>> Great. And so take that, take that UAP
for example. Multiple data collection
systems and Commander Dave Fraver, a
legend in the NA in in the Navy, top gun
guy, commander of an entire naval strike
group, right? Like total badass legend
legend of a guy. Uh he sees this with
his own eyes and a bunch of data
collection systems captured data
confirming it's real. This UAP went from
hovering above the ocean to instantly
being at 80,000 ft, which is the
entrance to space, right? And it did
that maneuver all afternoon. The amount
of energy required to do that is so
bonkers. It's we do not humans do, no
human beings have the ability to create
that much that much energy, right, in a
localized area for for
>> an aircraft. And and so to answer your
question, if we find out, you know, the
unthinkable that this is not non-human
intelligent life, that some humans have
figured out how to crack that technology
and did it as recent as 2004 when the
Tic Tac incident happened. That would
be even more mind-blowing than accepting
that life from elsewhere is here and has
been here a long time. Because that
would mean that some some group of
humans leaprogged the rest of all of
humanity technologically by thousands of
years
>> and then seemingly did nothing with that
>> or it could be something else.
>> That's the nature of unusual things.
They become great stories. So I I think
in the case of the tic tac incident
again I'm what I'm trying to do is
interrogate this from all angles is
could it have been something else? Look,
any any isolated event like that, you
could do the whole could it be this,
could it be that thing, but it's the
it's the you got to take a step back and
look at this the collective. It's one
report like that after another from
credible people since World War II.
>> You know, during World War II, pilots
were seeing what they called Foo
Fighters, like these orbs that would
move alongside uh our our fighter jets,
right? Like they would like they would
move in in line with them. Um,
>> and now we have we have people on ships
seeing these things enter the water and
then moving at, you know,
>> impossible 50 knots or something which
no no human being.
>> As far as I know, our fastest submarines
go like 50 miles an hour.
>> These things are going hundreds of miles
an hour under the ocean. So these craft
are transmedium. They're seen in space,
they're seen in the air, they're seen
underwater.
>> There's just too much activity to to
ignore it.
>> Yeah. And and that would be a hard one
to say, well, you know, is there some
sonar thing that makes you think
something is doing that? But it's seen
enough times under enough different
conditions that we just have to accept
that it's real.
>> Is there a reason why this hasn't been
captured on like an iPhone when in 4K?
There's been a lot of stuff captured on
phones and video cameras in in that
scene in the edge of disclosure I
mentioned where Hal and some of the
other people break down how these things
are working and they describe that
they're creating a warp bubble around
the craft. That warp bubble also makes
it very hard to get a clear video of
something cuz you're you're taking a
photo or a video through essentially a
space-time barrier. You know,
>> barrier.
>> It's like the equivalent of taking
pictures of uh trying to take video of
like koiish in a pond from above the
water. it's going to look all distorted
because you're going through the water.
If you're if you're trying to video or
take a photo through a this bubble, it
makes it pretty hard and you end up with
the kind of videos we we see.
>> Um, you're probably familiar with this
NASA report that they produced on UAPs,
independent study team report, where
they
>> they essentially say that they don't
believe that this these UAPs are are
aliens.
>> Why would NASA be lying? like all these
big bureaucracies, there's people who
are aware of the truth and then there's
people who have the truth kept from
them. You know, one of the people I
interviewed was Mike Gold who was on the
UAP uh the NASA UAP task force and he
talked about um how that effort was was
flawed from the start. They didn't want
to have a result that said NASA has all
this information that they've kept from
the public. They wanted the result that
that they landed on, which is there's
nothing to see here. And they were
really discouraged from um for example
the uh that that image of a triangle,
what clearly appears to be a triangle
craft over the moon. Um they were told
not to not to include that in their
report.
>> Like they were they they they were not
set up to tell the world the truth.
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>> In your view, is it possible that aliens
aren't uh aren't real? Is it possible?
Possible.
>> So, you think it's impossible?
>> Yeah. using the term alien, you know,
has a certain connotation about it. So,
we certainly say, I mean, the evidence
is absolutely clear that there is some
form of life with advanced technology.
You know, if you want to say, well, what
can I prove about about it? Well, that
those are still unknowns that we're
trying to sus out.
>> I got access at a very high to a very
high level of the government, the
military intelligence community. And
there were a lot of people who talked to
me off the record that wouldn't go on
camera. There were a lot of people who
uh couldn't tell me about classified
information and want to know classified
information but they all made it very
clear um not just on camera but off the
record that there that there is evidence
at a classified level that is clear as
day like some video taken when like the
bubble is turned off and you can see a
cra a a craft of non-human origin clear
as day and there is evidence of the
technology that's been recovered and of
these bodies and when you when if you
put yourself in my shoes, when you have
so many senior people across the
military, government intelligence
committee telling you this, it's it's
really just impossible to ignore it.
Especially when most of them aren't even
friends, they're not like ideologically
aligned or politically aligned. They're
all just different groups of people.
>> I'm less compelled by eyewitnesses. This
is the problem because, you know, I'm
such a big true crime fan. You hear
about all the bloody cases where
eyewitness said this and then they find
out the serial killer wasn't that person
or that thing didn't happen. So, and I
also just have my own experiences of
like thinking I saw things when I was
younger.
>> Here's an interesting thing you just
made me think of. So, in the film, uh,
Rubio and General Jim Clapper,
>> two people who are completely
ideologically and politically opposed to
each other,
>> made the same really intelligent point,
and they both have knowledge at a a
classified level of this situation. They
both said a problem we as humans have is
that there's something in the human
psyche that says I cannot wrap my head
around or prepare for things I haven't
seen or experienced. Right? And time and
time again throughout history that has
proven to be like a human flaw. Right?
Uh Rubio goes on to say that the
greatest intelligence failures in US
history come from a lack of imagination.
And he cites a few examples. He says,
"We never would have imagined the
Japanese could figure out how to get
torpedoes through the straits and hit us
at Pearl Harbor until they did." Um, he
says, "We never would have imagined
terrorists would fly to the homeland,
learn to fly commercial planes and then
use them in a terrorist attack until
they did." Right? Um he says some other
examples too, but time and time again
not wrapping our head around a set of
circumstances that and using our
imagination to think about what might
happen or what might be happening has
it's bit us in the ass. And he he ends
his line of thought by saying lack of
imagination leads to strategic surprise
like Pearl Harbor, like 9/11. And
sometimes strategic surprise changes the
course of history. Mhm.
>> And so, you know, him and and other
people I interviewed think it's really
important to get ahead of this as
opposed to waiting for something to
happen, as opposed to waiting for, you
know, to find out the hard way that
China, you know, cracked this technology
before us and used it as in an act of
war or uh non-human intelligent life uh
does something unpredictable and then
all of a sudden the US government's on
its heels and so are other governments
on their heels explaining to the public
what they've known for a long time. I
I've often heard that the reason why
they don't tell the general public that
these things exist is because general
public aren't ready for this
information.
Is that an argument? I've not really
heard you guys say that.
>> Yeah. No, people there are people
involved in gatekeeping this information
that don't think the public can handle
the truth. Uh you know, Hal recently
told me that people in the legacy
program are pointing to the age of
disclosy and saying, "Look, this film
reveals a lot and people aren't losing
their [ __ ] You know, people aren't
jumping out of windows. is not causing
chaos in society. Like the public can
handle the base facts.
>> Of all the things you've heard, Dan,
what is the what was the most compelling
story or anecdote that you heard that
convinced you?
>> It was really just the sheer number of
very high level military government
intelligence officials who were telling
me in in private settings to my face,
you know, that at a classified level,
they know with absolute certainty this
is real. But if you had to pick one
story.
>> Oh, I mean it's really it's really it
wasn't one it really wasn't one thing
for me. It was like it was the overall
it's like for example I I interviewed
Rubio and Jill Senator Jill Brown on the
same day. They both uh participated in
the film and did lengthy interviews with
me and both looked me in the face and
told me they thought this was the most
important documentary that's ever been
made and that this was really important
to bring this information out in a
thoughtful way to the public and make
them aware of what's happening. you you
can't like on hear stuff like that, you
know. Um and it makes it makes an impact
on you.
>> What about you, Hal? What was the most
persuasive thing that you that tipped
you over the edge from a you know, maybe
being agnostic to believing that there
are nonhuman intelligent life amongst
us? Well, it's looking at the technology
which is so advanced
that I'm essentially certain that no uh
us or our adversaries could have made
it. So, somebody actually made it and it
has to be somebody who knows a lot more
about physics than we do. I mean there's
this there's nowhere to go but to say
okay there's somebody who is way beyond
humans to develop that kind of
technology and display it
>> of all the evidence that's been released
and all of the rumors and videos and you
know going back to the crop fields that
we used to hear about many years ago
presumably there's lots of this stuff
that you don't believe
>> that you think is nonsense. Oh, there's
definitely there's definitely tons of
>> there's tons of reports that are that
when you look into them seem like
[ __ ] for sure
>> because you know one of the things
people often say is that alien encounter
descriptions perfectly matched the pop
culture of that era. So people saw
flying saucers in the in the 1950s after
sci-fi movies popularized them and gray
aliens in the 1980s after books um like
Communion
>> popularized them. And this kind of
suggests that sightings are born from
human imagination versus
>> well I I think I and I think that's a
reasonable uh place to come to. I think
I think a lot of the reports that we get
you know we can generally set aside as
being you know just manufactured by
humans who get caught up in this sort of
give and take on social media and so on.
But nonetheless, when you really zero in
on actual evidence of technologies and
evidence of bodies there, you can't just
say it's uh you know, it's just social
contagion.
>> The when I think about the technologies,
when I watch like the tic tac video,
>> it's kind of blurry and I don't really
know what I'm looking at.
>> Like there's this thing moving around on
the screen that's like black and white,
but I don't really know what I'm looking
at. And I think this has always been the
struggle with it is we're so used to
consuming content in high definition
that we can clearly and it appears to be
the case that so many of these UAP
videos are like in the distance and kind
of blurry and vague. So it makes them
harder to believe and it just I think
we're all longing for like a solid
video. You talked about them going in
and out of the water. How come someone's
not got a you got if someone like falls
over and we we we capture it all on
camera these days. CCTV cameras on every
high street. Why is there not like a
solid video of something going in the
water and out the water?
>> Look, m multiple people said on on
camera that they have seen with their
own eyes, classified videos that are
indisputable. Um, and some of them told
me specifics like that story I told you
that the first video J Stratton was
shown when he went down this rabbit hole
was a triangle craft hovering over a
nuclear weapons site. Uh, Air Force
security guards had filmed it on a
little VHS camera that they had. It was
it was hovering long enough for them to
do that. you know, that kind of evidence
exists, but it's just still classified.
>> Will it be coming out, do you think?
>> I I I hope so. I I I know this process
is playing out right now where people
like like J Stratton are helping the
administration find where the evidence
exists so they can get their hands on it
and then determine whether it can safely
be declassified. Like that process is
definitely playing out right now.
>> Do you think do you trust the Trump
administration to release all of the
available information? I
>> I don't think it's a question of do we
trust the current administration will
release it. It's do we think all these
federal agencies and branches of
military are going to turn over the
evidence they have to the
administration? That's the question. And
the juryy's still out on that. They're
they're not right now. They're pushing
back. And they're pushing back hard. And
that's why the administration is working
with people like Stratton, like Jay
Stratton, who who who had who over 16
years has learned where a lot of this
evidence is. Um they're working with
people like him to find out where the
evidence sits, who who's gatekeeping it
at each of these different organizations
and how to get to it. Um so they're
doing they're doing a factf finding
mission right now.
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If it is released, if all the
information that you've heard from your
witnesses is released, if they release,
you know, craft, alien craft, and they
release alien bodies and all of these
things, how do you imagine the world
would be different?
>> I think it will lead to a giant
technology boom. I think once we're
told, hey, there's this technology that
exists that could revolutionize the way
we live, you know, it could lead to
anti-gravity technology. It could lead
to new energy sources, new energy
sources. Solve the energy crisis
overnight, right? Could lead to
interstellar travel and going farther
out, you know,
>> and I think it would have a great
psychological effect because, you know,
if suddenly uh you go from the point of
saying, well, maybe we're the only
intelligent species in the universe and
then you suddenly get the idea that this
is a universe full of life.
>> What does that mean for religion?
I think all dogmas will just apply to
it, you know, and I think that the
Vatican's already gotten ahead of it and
said, you know, they put out a message a
couple years ago that basically the the
the gist of it was, you know, God's
God's universe and God's work is vast
and, you know,
>> vast and basically you couldn't you
couldn't uh, you know, say that he he
wouldn't have the ability to do that. I
mean, yeah.
>> So, I from a religious standpoint and
certainly in thea case of the Catholic
Church, they've had uh very positive
views about population being throughout
the universe.
>> And there's nothing really, at least
from the Catholic Church's perspective,
there's nothing that counters the, you
know, that doesn't allow you to wrap
your head around the fact that there's
other life out there, you know.
>> Are you guys religious? not like overly
religious, but like you know I my my my
mom's Irish and and grew up going to
Catholic school and I you know I went to
a CCD and you know Sunday school it's
called a C CCD where I grew up. Um but
>> you believe in God?
>> I do. I do.
>> Do you believe in God?
>> I do too. Yeah. And I'm a practicing
Catholic. So
>> So would that mean that you believe God
has made all of these aliens as well?
>> That's my that's what my worldview is.
>> Yeah. I would think that I couldn't say
that's not the case. But, you know, as a
scientist, I can't prove that that it is
the case. But, you know, just just on
the statistics of it, it's pretty
likely.
>> You know, an interesting thing happening
right now, Stephen, too, is these people
who have been gatekeeping the truth. Um,
a lot of them are afraid to come forward
and tell the White House what they know
because they they think they're going to
be villainized. They think the optics
around this are such that like if
someone's been covering this up, they're
they're they're they're the villain of
the story, right? And so, um, the White
House and the Director of National
Intelligence and the Department of War
realized this and so in the last couple
weeks, they've been messaging out to the
military and the intelligence community
that this is not a witch hunt. It's not
an endeavor to punish anyone. They want
to encourage people to come forward.
assure them there will be no no
punishment u for being involved in
gatekeeping this. They just want to
learn the truth and find out where the
real evidence sits. So that's another
thing that's playing out right now that
I think if it gets out there enough uh
it will lead to more people coming
forward with that that evidence we all
want to see.
>> Yeah.
>> Earlier on we you talked about how some
people feel like their lives are at risk
because of what they know. Has there
been any instance of anyone being
punished for saying anything in this
regard?
Well, certainly having having their
clearances pulled or losing their op
opportunities for advancement. Uh we
we've heard stories like that from from
several people in the intelligence.
>> Is there is there anyone you can name
that has said that they were threatened
or punished or in some form because of
what they
>> Well, certainly the the number one
whistleblower for for many people has
been David Crush. And so he has uh
outlined the various steps taken against
him to basically ruin his career
significantly enough that he went to the
inspector general of the intelligence
community and said I'm being punished,
shoved aside, losing clearances and so
on because I came out with this data and
they said well what you provided us is,
you know, serious worthy of
consideration. And I think a lot of
people have had their lives threatened.
>> Um I'm not certain if if anyone has been
killed. Um but I know people have had
their lives threatened.
>> Yeah.
>> And who's threatening them?
>> People that are involved um in this this
program referred to as the legacy
program
>> who think that the evidence should not
ever come out.
>> This legacy program. So this is a
program ran within the US government to
>> US government
>> elements of it
>> elements of it uh and also defense
contractors
>> and you think the legacy program knows
the truth on this regard?
>> Yes, because they have the firsthand
evidence of the crash materials and the
bodies.
There's 80 years of data that this this
group has
>> and they haven't released or leaked that
data for the last 80 years.
>> There'd be no advantage.
>> No one's hacked it.
>> This this program is the epitome of a
special access program. I think this
program is as off the grid as it it
could possibly be.
>> It almost seems like there's nothing
that eventually hasn't come to come to
light that the government have done.
Like I've sat here and interviewed a lot
of CIA spies who've told me the history
of the CIA and this program that lasted
for 12 years and then it comes out and
this program and I mean even some of the
stuff that I've heard you talk about how
around um what's it called?
>> Remote viewing.
>> Remote remote viewing. That was that CIA
project.
>> What is remote viewing?
>> Remote viewing. Well, the the the CIA
suddenly got concerned because they saw
that the Soviets were spending millions
of dollars at some of their best
institutes to investigate the possible
use of quote ESP.
>> What's ESP?
>> Psychic ability.
>> Yeah. Psychic abilities, extra sensory
perception. And so, as it turns out, I
was at Stanford Research Institute and
uh they saw my background. They came to
me and said, you know, we'd like for you
to to look into this. Is there anything
to this? I mean, no scientist in America
even believes there is such a thing as
ESP.
>> Who came to you?
>> CIA.
>> This is This is in the 70s.
>> The CIA.
>> Back in the 70s.
>> The CIA approached you in the 70s and
asked you to investigate remote viewing.
>> That's right. And so they asked me to
set up a small program and 50 or 60K or
whatever. They said, you know, we hope
you'll find this is all nonsense. We can
forget about it. We don't have to worry
about it. And it grew into, you know,
more than a two decade program. Millions
of dollars. Stargate is the label for it
that most people know about because by
now most of the information in the
program came out and basically it we
just we just found that uh people
essentially just like you have artistic
ability or athletic ability or whatever
music ability. Well, we found out that
remote viewing, this ability to sit in a
location and pick up information from
someplace far away, uh, is a talent that
many people could uh, demonstrate. And
so we ended up, uh, actually training
Army Intelligence officers at the Army
Intelligence and Security Command at
Fort me how to do this. And so,
>> so wait, let me just simplify this for
the audience that might not fully
understand what we're talking about. So
remote viewing is the idea that I could
sit here in London where we are now and
I could be trained to see what was going
on in another part of the world
>> to make your mind's eye go to a remote
location.
>> I'll give you a specific example. A
Soviet plane that CIA wanted to get hold
of went down somewhere in Africa and
they didn't they didn't know where
because the pilot had bailed out and it
just went on till it ran out of gas. So,
we got two of our quote best remote
viewers, one that worked for the Air
Force and one that worked for my
organization to say, "Okay, here's a map
of Africa. Where's that damn plane? We
got to go in and get it." And they put
an X on the map that was in three miles
of where the plane went down out of the
hundreds of thousands of square miles.
And so, the CIA went in and got the
plane. So, I mean, it was, you know, how
do they do that? Well,
>> by the way, there's an audio recording
of President Jimmy Carter telling that
story.
>> Yeah.
Hm.
>> Post post presidency.
>> Maybe we should play that.
>> One time we had a a small plane go down
somewhere in Africa. We were not able to
find it by surveillance from our
satellites. So the director of the CIA,
he was also director of all the
intelligence agencies,
heard about a a woman in California that
uh was a medium and he uh contacted her
and she gave him the latitude and
longitude of the plane's whereabouts.
And the next time one of our space
satellites went over that area, we
located the plane where she said it was.
>> Again, this sounds like it's impossible.
>> Sounds like
>> it sounds completely bananas. It sounds
like something out of an X-Men comic
book. It sounds crazy, but
>> well, I was okay. You want to be really
practical about it. Uh, you know, they
they often are skeptics would say,
"Well, if they're so psychic, why aren't
they rich? Why aren't they in the stock
market or whatever?"
So we set up a little program on a
challenge to predict silver futures
>> to to predict what?
>> Silver futures.
>> Just the value of silver.
>> Yeah. The value of silver silver on a
daily basis. Was it going to go up or go
down?
>> So we had somebody said, "Okay, I I will
if you'll set up a little program like
that for 30 days, I'll bet on what your
quote remote viewers say and I'll put
the money in and I'll give you 10% of
what I make." Said, "Okay, fine." Now,
long story short, uh made um $260,000 in
the 30 days. We got our 10% which is
$26,000.
So people could actually in this case
even look into the future a day and
generate a description of what they were
going to see and handle the following
day.
>> Presumably not everybody. How many
people did you have do that experiment?
>> We had uh seven in that experiment. And
how many of them were successful in
generating?
>> Six of the seven uh generated really
good data.
>> So are those six of people now rich?
>> Well, I don't know. Some of them may may
have followed up. They don't
>> Why were those six people picked?
>> Since we had learned that sort of
anybody can do this. Uh we were actually
raising money for a school that was
being put together. So, I just went to
the board of directors and said, "Okay,
I'm going to give you a crash course
over the weekend in quote remote viewing
of the type we train intelligence
officers to do." And um so you're going
to be it.
>> So, you just It was the board of the
school.
>> Yeah. Board of the school. Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> They all knew what I did for a living.
And so
>> this program Stargate got so much um
actionable intelligence from the remote
viewers that house started briefing at
the time the director of the CIA on a
regular basis.
>> Yeah. I'm going I briefed all the way up
to Bill Casey, director of the CIA.
>> So does it still exist this program in
any capacity?
>> Remote viewing.
>> If it does, you wouldn't hear about it.
>> Why?
>> Because
it would be a black highly classified
program.
>> Why? because we don't want our
adversaries to know how we might be
getting access to their data.
>> You just told us,
>> but people can not believe that and
that's fine.
>> But aren't you under some sort of
contract?
>> Well, as it turns out, the CIA and and
DIA, it also went to the DIA. That
program finally got declassified at the
level it was operating at and that you
can go to the CIA reading room and you
can get all of the documents on it. So
your work was originally classified.
>> Oh, it was originally a top secret
special access program. Yeah.
>> There's a part of me that goes, listen,
if people could do remote viewing and
see, you know, into other parts of the
world or predict the things that you're
saying, I mean, if if if it was
trainable,
everything so like life as we know it
would be completely flipped on its head.
I think it's unreasonable to think that
when Stargate became public, the US
government stopped
remote viewing.
>> I mean, I wouldn't stop. If I was the US
government, if it worked, I wouldn't
stop.
>> I think it just went underground. Moved
to a different agency.
>> Went underground.
>> So, you were training people to do it
though.
>> Yeah, we Well, we had Yeah, we had we
had people that we trained.
>> So, train me.
>> Okay. Well, yeah. How do you train now?
A number of the military intelligence
officers that we trained have now left
the military and they do have training
courses.
>> Do you do you believe that?
>> I do. At first I thought it just sounded
too much like something in a comic book,
right? But the more I first read about
Stargate and the declassified documents,
started to realize how serious the
government took it and the more I
learned about it through how and then
eventually um I really don't want to get
into the details of this but eventually
um I got connected with someone who has
done remote viewing for the government
and they did a demonstration for me that
blew my mind
>> cuz you would think if anyone was
capable of doing remote viewing they
could go on the internet and make one
prediction or do one video that would
be, you know, proven to be true and they
would literally be considered to be a
superhum. Like they would literally be I
mean people would probably think they
were a deity or or a spiritual leader or
something if one person could do what we
found was that it seems to be an act
action that is just part of the human
makeup.
>> And so it isn't like they're a super
deity or a godlike or really off the
charts. It's something that people can
learn to do like they can learn to play
the piano or whatever this for whatever
reason.
>> Maybe now we have new uh you know
psychiatrists and neurohysiologists
beginning to study you know how does
consciousness do its thing in the brain
and so on.
Are there elements of it uh once you get
into quantum theory and quantum
entanglement that would say you could
have evidence uh you know beyond just
our physical structure
>> like it could be rationalized with like
a quantum connection basically the the
the moving your mind's eye to another
location which also goes to like you
know how's life very interestingly you
know first was the Stargate stuff and
then he got into UAP and the overlap
that I find fascinating is some of these
craft that have been found or crashes
that have happened. Um the reports from
people involved say that a lot of them
don't have any control panels in them.
>> Like they're basically empty other than
seats, which suggests that maybe there's
some sort of mind connection controlling
these craft.
>> I did wonder about the crafts. I
thought, you know, if I was an advanced
civilization, why would I and I was that
smart, why would I send life to these
planets when I could just send the
crafts, you know, why am I sending
biological life when I could just send
the
>> Maybe they're manufactured biological
life. Maybe it's maybe they're
equivalent. Maybe they're not sentient
sentient. Yeah,
>> it's true.
>> But the remote viewing stuff opens up a
lot of possibilities if
>> Yeah. I mean we as part of this CIA
program we found that uh people could
affect quantum devices that were totally
shielded by superconducting shielding.
>> Tell them tell them that particular
story. That's yeah, we we uh there's a
quote psychic so-called and uh so I
brought him to Stanford and I I was
skeptical at the time and uh I said,
"Okay, well, we've got this super
experiment where there's tiny quantum
chip down inside of this electrical
shielding, magnetic shielding,
superconducting shielding. We want to
see if you can affect it."
And he did. I mean, this is supposed to
be totally nonaffectable
from by anything on the outside. In
fact, it was developed by the Navy to
just look for corks and stuff like that.
And so, it was supposed to not be
influenced from the outside by anything.
And he influenced it. And when I say he
influenced it, I'm not just saying
there's a little blip that, you know,
you could kind of read into it. No, it
it was a system where it ordinarily just
had an oscillating signal like that and
then when he affected it just stopped
the oscillation
and then he also make the oscillation go
twice as fast. Of course, poor graduate
student whose life dependent on this not
being affected from the outside, you
know, really. But then they uh that that
that raised a big issue for them. That
means uh gee does that mean if we put if
we hide our documents inside of
superconducting safes the Russians might
be able to so actually when we had dant
the American remote viewers got together
with the Soviet remote viewers and
traded war stories did experiments
together for
>> you know I'm I think I'm naturally
skeptical because I'm skeptical with all
things but I'm often proven wrong. So,
you know, my fiance, she um she believes
lots of things I don't believe. And so,
so frequently she's been proven right in
those things that I remain open-minded
to things in life because I've leared
to. So, I think that's where I remain. I
remain open-minded. And I think on the
balance of probability, if you ask me,
do I think there's other life in the
universe? I think it would be crazy to
say there wasn't.
>> Right. Right.
>> But, but has there been life that has
arrived here that we've recovered? I
just I would need more evidence. Is that
>> I I think I think that's the right
attitude and we're hoping that uh with
the
release of documents that's starting to
happen now that you'll get that
evidence. But in the absence of actually
getting access to the evidence, it's
very reasonable that to be skeptical.
>> Yeah, absolutely. I do think though that
the current administration in the US is
so focused on following through with
this directive the president gave to to
get all the evidence within the
possession of the federal government,
all the different agencies, the military
branches, and then figure out what can
be declassified. I think they're taking
it so serious that we're going to we're
going to get to more tranches of more
meaningful evidence. And I think
eventually we'll get to that thing that
we that that moment that we've all only
seen in movies where a sitting president
steps to a microphone and tells the
world we're not alone in the universe. I
think I think we're going to get there.
>> I think so too.
>> Just a matter of time.
>> Does it change the meaning of life if
that becomes the case? Does it does it
mean anything for us as humans?
>> What do you think the meaning of life
is? How? And do you think we should
change our behavior in any way even if
this
>> moment does occur? I think if we found
out that there were life throughout the
universe that it's uh it can be
developed in all kinds of forms then
then that makes us uh take a new look at
well what does it mean to be human you
know we ought to think about if we can
interacting with these other uh species
and seeing what we can learn from them
and what might they learn from us and so
it just opens up a whole new sort of
view of what the universe is like. I
mean, I've got I've got 15 grandkids.
They should grow up in a universe where
it's teameming with life and they know
that. And that's a very uh kind of an
exciting kind of thing.
>> I think it also could be the one thing
that could unify all of humanity. You
know, Reagan gave a great speech during
his presidency at the United Nations
where he said he often thinks that it
might be a threat from outside this
universe that makes all of humanity come
together and think more about what it
has in common than than its differences
um and you know moves them past the the
the the conflicts of the moment. And
that might be you know wishful thinking
and might be naive but it also might
actually be the one thing that could
that could line people up. Has it
changed how you think about the the
meaning of life?
>> Between what I've learned about the the
reality of the UAP situation and the
existence of non-human dollar life, what
I've learned about, for example, remote
viewing, it's made me realize that our
sort of western present day view of
reality is not complete. You know, we
think we know everything there is, you
know, to life and and how things work
and we just don't. And when you're
honest with yourself and you look back
at history, all the times people thought
that they were they were proven wrong
pretty quickly.
>> And so it's made me open to a lot more
possibilities um than than I would have
been just just 10 years ago.
>> I think it'd be a renaissance in in our
attitudes toward life and and
everything. Yeah.
>> Are you both open to being wrong?
>> Yeah. Look, I should have said this
early on. When I first started making my
documentary, I was totally prepared to
have people tell me, "Look, this is all
[ __ ] It was all cover for our
classified projects."
>> Did they?
>> No, no one did. That was the crazy
thing. Not Not a single person did. I
would I was trying to pull it out of
people. I'd be like, you know, come on.
This is really This is like a black
project, an unagnowledged special access
program, right? Like just just say
nothing if that's the case. And they're
like, "No, dude. Not not even close."
like it was o over and over and these
weren't random people. These were like
senior people on the Senate Intelligence
Committee, on the Senate Armed Services
Committee, um leaders in in the
intelligence community, leaders in in in
the military, and so yeah, it's hard to
ignore.
>> Yeah.
>> Well, Trump has released the first round
of the UAP reports. Um so I guess in
many respects, this conversation is to
be continued.
>> Yeah. Yeah. And we we we have been told
by our friends in government that the
next trunch of evidence is likely to
come out in the next 30 days or so and
it's going to be a rolling
declassification process. So there'll be
a lot more to talk about in the near
future.
>> Thank you so much for your time. Really
appreciate it. I feel very
>> Thank you for your curious
>> very very curious and I I highly
recommend people go check out your
documentary. I'm going to link it below.
Um, and I think one of the great things
about the documentary is the diversity
of people you've spoken to, including
Marco Rubio, who is now working
alongside President Trump and many
others, including yourself, Hal, um, and
other guests that I've people like Jay
who, um, I hope to speak to sometime
soon.
>> Cool.
>> Thank you for having us and thank you
for bringing attention to interesting
topics like this. I really do think, you
know,
>> you know, people like you are are
helping open people's minds. You know,
in the past, you only had, you know, it
wasn't that long ago there's only four
TV networks, right? and a small group of
legacy media people controlled what
people thought about really. So people
here are opening up everyone's minds to
other possibilities and other
information. And so thank you.
>> It's it's it's interesting because
again sometimes I think I have to remind
the audience of like why I do what I do
and why I pick the subjects that I pick.
But it's honestly just what I'm curious
about.
>> And if if something rises in public
curiosity and it's in my my curiosity,
then I'll speak about it. It's not an
endorsement of me believing everything.
It is just me wanting to learn more.
>> Yeah.
>> And I, you know, I I wish we lived in a
society that was more open-minded
generally to the people on the other
side of the aisle or to subjects that
are currently considered to be, I don't
know, controversial or or or not.
Because, you know, it's not lost on me
that my own very existence as a black
businessman is in of itself um something
that was once a very controversial idea.
And so I'm all for, you know, uh,
controversial ideas being having some
kind of space to be.
>> Well, every major breakthrough in the
history of humanity came from someone
being curious, right? And wanting to
learn about something they weren't aware
of. So I I think great things will come
out of it. and and and you just touched
on something that we didn't mention,
which is I found shockingly that this is
the the UAP issue, non-human life, is
the most bipartisan issue in Washington
DC at a time when Democrats and
Republicans in the United States can't
agree on anything. They're completely
lined up on this being the biggest issue
of our time. Extremely significant. And
like that says a lot, too, you know?
>> Yeah.
>> To be continued.
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