the skiff. Look at this place, man.
So, there we go. I get a package. Now,
this is from the person who is head of
cyber security at Los Alamos National
Laboratory.
>> Local residents should be checked for
evidence that they are being
symbiotically manipulated by surviving
aliens.
I trust that that is
a memo
that was never supposed to be in public
domain.
>> So, this is not the only piece of paper
that was
>> No.
>> Okay. There's a whole other set of files
attached to that.
>> Allegedly.
>> Is it stressful?
>> Uh, what? My life.
There's a pattern of people
disappearing.
>> Something bad happened to him. Oh yeah.
If you mean by being murdered bad. Yes.
I would love that smoking gun evidence
which does exist. I have seen it. So
have other people that you know.
And I'm not talking about one piece of
footage. Talking about a lot of footage.
But it is not mine to share.
>> What does it feature? Does it feature a
disc, a tic tac, a tube?
>> I'm talking about a lot of different
footage. Tell me.
>> Well, yeah, sure. There are there's
triangles, there's tic tacs, there's
ovals, there's spheres
>> and that you've seen.
>> Yes. So, I think I have a little fear in
me right now. So, I'm like trying to
speak thoughtfully and that's hard for
me sometimes.
But there are consequences. And
sometimes the consequence is just the
pain you feel that the crushing weight
of what you know to be true and can't
say is going to destroy and snap your
legs and destroy your humanity. And I've
seen that pain in people's eyes. And
it's not a way to live, man.
>> All right. So in 2008 on the 4th of July
I was on a boat with my father who's in
the Federal Aviation Administration,
two retired commercial pilots and a
current commercial pilot and off to our
right is a baseball field and the field
lights are on. From these three lights,
we saw three cubes appear and they were
rotating and then they just vanished
after about 20 seconds. I would say it
was almost like they came out of the
lights and everybody in the boats that
we were both tied to and the boats all
around us, we all freaked out. Everybody
saw this. It was incredible.
And ever since then, I have been
obsessed with the phenomena.
Ramsay
>> Corbell
>> magician
>> investigator
>> artist
>> artist
>> smart guy
>> same
>> intuitive
>> yeah I mean I could say a lot of the
same things about you sir
>> strong
>> yeah good at jiu-jitsu
>> I was really bad but I mean I I you you
do something 10,000 times more than
someone else
>> and you got a shot
>> it's the definition of a magician
>> is what
>> uh doing something
an unreasonable
putting an unreasonable amount of time
into something.
>> Unreasonable to who?
>> To the common person.
>> Who's that?
>> Uh, whoever you're trying to fool
>> or just the people not doing it.
>> Yeah, exactly. Same. One and the same.
>> Do you try to fool people?
>> Yeah, of course. With magic. Yeah,
absolutely. I mean, no, I think I think
fooling them is a part of the is one of
the ingredients in creating wonder. Um,
but you don't always necessarily have to
fool people. In fact, the best magic
tricks is when people fool themselves.
And the same could be said for a scop,
you know.
>> Is your aim to create wonder
>> um with magic
>> cuz you said that m Okay. Yeah.
>> Right. Magic ma magic with a with a G
>> with with a C. With a G and a C.
>> With a G and a C. Yeah.
>> How do you turn this down? You're so
loud in my head, Ramsey. For a long
time, you've been loud in my head. And I
don't. But I can turn you down.
>> You're too Let me know if this is Hold
on. I'm going to do this. Yeah.
>> Control. I want to have control of
turning you up or down.
>> So this is me.
>> And this is me.
>> Yeah.
>> Go again. Talk.
>> One, two, one, two, one, two. One, two,
one, two.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. You're loud, [ __ ]
Right here.
>> Right there's good.
>> Ooh, that's like saucy.
I mean, it's all good.
>> Yeah. I like I like the headphones cuz
they they tend to lock you in. Um,
there's an immersion and I didn't really
get it before and I was like, it's more
freeing without headphones. But then the
headphones makes it so that you're kind
It's like kind of like blinders for your
ears where you're like, "This is where
I'm at. I'm not out there."
>> Blinders for your ears. This is where
I'm at. Yeah. Yeah. I I now am
experiencing that.
>> Yeah. Now you're aware of it.
>> Well, now I'm here.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Thanks for coming to the quote unquote
skiff. I know you've I know you've been
in a real skiff
and uh tell me the difference between a
skiff. I never as someone who's never
set foot in a skiff. What What is it? Is
it empty?
>> Let's first be honest with everybody.
>> Okay.
>> You took me into a snow globe.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. Just want to make sure we're
honest with everybody.
>> Yes.
>> And then you did bring me into this
skiff fact.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay, cool.
>> Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
>> So, your question was, "What's the
difference of a real skiff?" Right. Cuz
usually people don't have to be in
skiff.
>> And Yeah. And they don't bring their
phones in.
>> Yeah.
>> It's a big one, I think.
>> Oh, yeah. I wish I did.
>> Yeah. They probably check your pockets
though before coming in, huh?
>> Um, no. I mean, you go through in some
of them there's an honor system. In some
of them there are metal detectors and in
some of them there's more procedures
done. But typically, if you're being
brought into a skiff, they already know
that you're not going to be breaking the
rules.
>> They assume.
>> No, they make sure to know. I mean, I I
can only speak from my own experience.
My own experience is
>> I would I was never in a skiff
where all variables that were
controllable were not controlled, right,
>> on both ends, right? And there's a lot
of skiffs that I never went into. Was it
stressful?
>> Uh, what? My life?
>> No,
>> I think you answered I think you just
answered that question. But no, get
getting into a skiff like like that
moment where you're like crossing the
threshold. You know, you're in this
sensitive compartmentalized information
facility. It's, you know, you hear about
the things that go on in a skiff and the
things that are talked about are
obviously of the most sensitive nature.
Do you feel that sort of reverence as
you cross a threshold into one of these
places? Do you feel anxiety or or is
there like a sense of relief or release
that there's no nothing recording
anything you're saying? Is there
>> Well, that's not always true that
there's nothing recording what you're
saying inside of a skiff. That's not
always true, first of all. Um, now
you're asking me a personal question.
And my personal feelings, if I can be
completely honest now, which I can be,
is that my my personal feeling is I've
never walked into a skiff once invited
that I didn't feel 100%
comfortable. I wouldn't. In fact, I
didn't.
>> You've refused to enter a skiff?
>> Yes, sir. George Knap and I refused to
go into a skiff. This was mentioned in
Sleeping Dog.
>> Foxy, I don't have a memory for it
because I just quickly you're this way
before everybody processed anything.
>> Well, I'll refresh your memory. Um, you
you were invited into a skiff and then
you were advised by your lawyer not to
go because your lawyer's like, "If you
go in there and you say this stuff, they
might have a right to classify it."
>> I just made an assumption.
>> I did. Yeah.
>> What was my assumption? Nothing I could
have said could have been classified.
>> Okay,
>> I'll explain it to you.
>> But but the lawyer in the movie you said
that the lawyer that was one of the
things he warned you about was that they
can just basically uh classify whatever
is said in there and that
>> that way you're never allowed to report
on it.
>> Okay. I'm not trying to be micious. I
just, you know, have to be very specific
cuz now you're asking my brain to
unravel something which I haven't really
seen
>> in a way in a big way. So let's go
there. Let's go into this one little
tiny hair and let's split it. Okay. Um,
I was supposed to testify in front of
the American public.
My caveat to that or condition was that
the American public gets to see
some of what I've seen and some of what
George has seen. a tiny fraction
footage
>> footage that is absolutely nonharming to
American national security and five eyes
national security. The difference would
be
no satellite footage
because satellite capability is a like a
submarine is is is really classified its
whereabouts and and the capability of
satellite if you look at what's out
there in the natural world is is very
limited like extremely limited. So no
satellite footage if it had ever passed
in front of my eyes that's not something
that is safe. Additionally, let's say
there's two UFOs
>> that swarm from the left of camera
towards the right kind of make a half
loop around a Russian asset. But that
Russian asset not just being satellite
or whatever actually it was low visual.
So not not satellite but that asset they
didn't know that we were and could see
them. So that's a no-go because
>> I see. Yeah. Cuz now they're aware of
you know whatever drone or whatever
satellites looking at them. So it so
strategic surprise is one of the
greatest um threats that we participate
with dealing with on a daily basis as as
a nation and as five eyes. So when you
have the ability to see and people don't
think you can that would be considered
national security. Okay.
>> Yeah.
>> What I was intending to do and I guess
now I've said it a little bit in the
movie because a movie remember is a
compressed amount of time. So you get
like the sentence that means the
paragraph. So what I was talking about
is I was to and I went through a lengthy
month many months process of this game
of cat and mouse of like okay if I had
seen anything that the American public
should seem specifically 12 assets I
figure were you know
>> okay for people to see you know no one
piece of footage is going to prove
everything to everybody um or even
anything to anybody but you got to take
your shot right
>> so and there's no reason why UFOs should
be the existence of UFOs should not be
classified. It nothing about that should
be classified.
>> None that I can think of.
>> Now when you get into the implications
and the technology 100% like you know
nuclear science exists but can't
>> give you the codes on how to right.
>> So George Knap and I were doing this
dance of like well so I personally will
testify but what I have to say is not
important. So saying is not important
for me. It is giving and showing 12
assets. Now, the thing is, and here's
the the dance. How do you get into a
locked room? And you're a puzzle man, so
maybe you figure this out. I couldn't.
How do you get into a locked room with
no electronics
and show what you think as a journalist?
Because you don't got to ask permission
as a journalist.
You don't. But you can do a lot of harm,
not just to yourself, to other people,
to our nation, that kind of thing. So,
let's just pretend. How do you get into
that locked room? And how do you show in
front of other people's eyes if you if
it passes in front of your eyes, but you
don't have anything?
>> Oh, that's an interesting conundrum
>> because it because you can't have
something.
>> Yeah. I guess I never thought about
that. That's a really interesting thing.
So,
>> but they got to know that something is
there. Wait, so anybody who's been
briefed on the UFO stuff has never been
shown a video in a skiff?
>> No, I didn't say that.
>> When I'm working on UFO cases or alien
encounters, the issue isn't just missing
or blurry footage. It's that anything I
try to recreate ends up being
inconsistent
with different looks, different
lighting, nothing nothing matches. And
most AI tools actually end up making it
worse. Like every generation feels like
a reset. you're just prompting random
things over and over. And that's what I
like about Higsfield Cinema Studio is
that it doesn't work like that at all.
You start with one intentional frame and
that's where you sort of define the shot
almost like a director would. And then
you take that frame and you extend it
into motion by choosing the camera
movements, the lenses, and even the
actual camera type. And so instead of
generating clips over and over, you're
working from a fixed starting point. And
that's what keeps everything consistent.
same scene, the same lighting, same
characters, same locations, same
perspective, just different takes of the
same shot. And for what I'm doing, it's
actually super important to try and
remain as accurate to the story as I
possibly can. And if you guys want to
try it out, I highly encourage you to
check it out right now. I left the link
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you think about Higsfield. And thank you
to Higsfield for sponsoring this video.
What I said is how I'm asking a
question. If you're me,
>> Yeah.
>> and you're George.
>> Uhhuh.
>> And you've said publicly to the world
that that footage has passed in front of
your eyes.
>> Uhhuh.
>> But you don't have it like it's not at
your home. So if your home gets raided,
it's not on your phone. So if your phone
gets taken,
>> so you have you have access, right?
>> Because it's been in front of your eyes
and you predicted have access. So, how
do you then
because, you know, in order for me to
testify, my condition is that the
American public has to see what I want
to show them because my words don't mean
[ __ ]
I mean, they do, but like that's not the
point of why I got nothing really to
say.
>> Yeah, of course.
>> So, how do you get in there and bring
something? Because by the time you're
bringing something, you've got
something. So, you have something,
>> right?
>> Okay. Then, let's say you're there.
First of all, you're a journalist. The
obtaining is fine. obtain and release.
I've never leaked anything in my life.
Now, sure, people have leaked stuff to
me and George, and that's a crime.
That's a federal crime. It's got major
punishment, and that's on whoever leaks
stuff. No, it's not. My wife's kind of
reinforced that to me, you know, that
you can't People make choices for better
or worse, hopefully for better because
they trust you. And the one thing I am
worthy of is people's trust. So, here we
go. How do we get into that room? And
then how do you show it if you don't if
if you don't have it? If you don't want
to have it in there because then you
have it. All of that all of that all of
that all of that
can instantaneously be reverse
classified even though it's once it's in
the hands of journalists.
>> Yeah.
>> It's already in the hands of journalists
and they have a duty to to the public.
>> Yeah. Yeah. It's a tricky line. But me
and George doing no harm to national
security is important to us.
>> Now, one more layer just to you tell me
how you get out of this escape room.
Okay, so now I've got a conundrum.
I don't want I don't need to testify the
American public, but if I did, they
would see 12 things minimum. Okay. So,
I'm told by national security people
after months and months and months of
doing this dance, but also filling up
the [ __ ] people. They're going to
testify going through this massive
vetting process with each one. I brought
almost every single person you've seen
in the UAP hearing up there. Almost have
I directly facilitated their sitting
there almost.
So, with that said, I've got this
responsibility and I'm like, cool. Let's
let's see this through. Let's set this
up. So, we get notified that there is a
skiff and it's under my terms and
conditions, which is that these are the
people allowed and must be in the room
and you tell me who you want and I need
to know their names. Now, I need to know
who they work for. And and the the thing
about them is they they know that if
they tell me a lie,
>> I will find out. And that that's been
the bane of the existence of the DOJ and
everybody,
>> every agency, is that somehow through
magic with like a [ __ ] normal
spelling, okay, this spelling, okay,
that George and I can do that. So then
imagine this all set up. And by the way,
this is the one where they had another
journalist that wasn't George Knap at it
before. Right.
>> Right.
>> So it was for that. And then what
happens is I get a call. I'm in the
showers from a congressional person and
they say we have a leak straight out. We
have a leak. And I go, I know.
And then I'm going to say this person
said, do you know who it is? And I said,
I do. I believe I do.
And then this person said to me, "I'm
not even going to be in DC. They're
lying to you." And I said, "Didn't
know."
So I called my lawyer, my federal
lawyer, who is Chuck McCulla III. And in
that conversation,
I don't think this is a good idea for
you and George, Jeremy.
>> Yeah.
>> And and he explained why. Seems like a
almost like a trap.
>> Almost exactly
like a trap.
>> Mhm.
>> That sounds like standard operating
procedure as well. Like I mean for this
type of thing where it's like, "Hey,
yeah, come on in."
>> No,
>> you know.
>> No, it's not.
>> You don't think so?
>> No, I know. So, there there's supposed
to be mutual trust. For example, I'll
give you another example.
>> When I say I'm going to give you 10
witnesses to choose from to testify.
Now, this is highly sensitive because
you're not going to choose 10. So, I'm
revealing to you out of 52 cards, you
know, 10 cards, but you can only play
with six. So, I'm like,
there are four people that will be
exposed that don't need to be. So, I've
got one rule, and if you ever break it,
I'm never doing this again. The rule is
nobody, cuz they got a lot of staffers.
Nobody
>> tells Arrow and nobody gets to know but
the people in the room. And that's a
trust thing. And that's the way it
should and usually goes except
every single one of them got exposed to
Arrow and Arrow went after them in
different unique ways that I have
documented
>> and can prove in the court of law.
>> In in what in like what way have they
gone after them in in sort of like
>> public um mocking? Is it like stalking
or is it threatening?
>> Talking about the unknown people that
didn't testify.
>> Yeah, these are the unknown people. like
how did they how did they suffer
repercussions or reprisals from you know
>> they suffered repercussions or
reprisals? They said they went after
them. So that means a few different
things. Play the tape backwards cuz
sometimes I misspe. No, no. That's my
bad for assuming cuz I you know, you
hear it a lot with with these uh with
witnesses especially uh as of late uh
you know Matt Brown and I I assume Dylan
Borland as well um because of the you
know the movie as well. You know you
hear him saying
>> oh but nobody's seen it yet.
>> Yeah. After this got this will go up
people people will have seen
>> temporal dial. So, I'm going to skip and
and and Chris Ramsay has a clock right
there, but it's it's there's a dilation.
This is two months early.
>> I am positive there's a dilation attire.
>> Yeah. Well, there there temporarily is
we're sitting in a bubble that won't be
popped until May after May 18th.
>> I mean, it's like a month. No. So, two
months away.
>> No, May 12th.
>> Oh, May 12th is
>> May 12th the bubble bursts.
>> Okay. Well, that's we're sitting in that
current bubble. Um, but safe to say
Dylan Borland in in that documentary
>> Oh, [ __ ] is clearly shaken up um by
what seems to be people coming after
him. He has a fear of people coming
after his wife. He even asks you, you
know, on on one of your calls, no matter
what happens to me, take care of my
wife. He seems really really concerned.
>> He was
>> um
>> for good reason. And and so what I'm
asking is like these four people and
maybe Dylan included, what sort of
because we hear it a lot, you know, that
that they're being going at they're
being gone after by some, you know,
organization, some agency, but what
exactly does that mean? Is it
>> straight up like brass knuckles and
like, "Hey, we're going to beat you out
in the parking lot if you don't shut
up." Or is it more subtle?
Is it like a little wink here and there
or is it very overt like hey if you
don't stop this we'll bury you in the
desert like what's what does that look
like? Help me understand.
>> Right. So it's insidious and that's the
best word that I can use for it and it
comes in a variety of ways and some are
overt and some are covert and then some
are just almost seemingly inert. And and
it it it's really so I would like to
break that down for you, but I want to
back you up one second, church, is that
Dylan raised his hand and got all the
way there and he testified. So clearly
I'm not talking about him.
>> Yeah. Although he did, you know, get
messed with. And to be factual actually,
Arrow was part of a significant
operation to um entrap him with a false
fictitious
I don't know the right words just
completely fabricated
crime.
Yeah. Yeah. And I I don't know
>> that's pretty serious.
>> That's real.
>> And um we're So now talking to you
though d time dilation we're not
completely through that yet.
>> Mhm. So that just started being opened.
>> By the time this airs, it might have
been
>> I hope I hope I hope well I don't know,
man. This is going to take a little
while. I apologize for this. So
I don't know. And and the reason I don't
know is because my personal duty is to
not harm where I live. And by telling
the world what people in our country did
to whistleblowers and who's involved
from the king all the way down to the
soldiers that could harm our nation's in
my opinion
uh security you know because it becomes
a vulnerability
for any adversarial nation to exploit if
they know that we have dirty laundry
>> right
>> so I I I don't No,
>> that's interesting.
>> And so this section of the podcast might
be sped up to nonsense cuz I don't know.
Let's find out. So now let me answer
your question.
>> What? Let's just get real terrestrial
here. Okay. What does it mean when
whistleblowers or people are threatened
by a multitude of private contractors as
well as intelligence agency individuals?
I'm going to say because there are bad
apples in a barrel
>> and and the barrel is good.
>> Yeah. Not to blame the whole agency.
>> Right. Sure. Right. So, so what does
that look like? Well, I think the way
you define for me in the world of magic,
there are certain key elements of like a
show. You broke some [ __ ] down for me
this morning, right? Um, like what your
language is. Do people spell the word
magic the same way? Kind of like that.
Depending on the agency, each agency has
a persona. So you can you can say a a
CIA
persona feels like an orange mug that
says the flying saucer. Okay. ODNI is
like a glass of water. That's their
personality.
DOJ FBI. ODNI which oversees all
intelligence agencies out of like let's
pretend the 16 in the United States,
right? ODNI would be the top of that
pyramid. Allegedly. Allegedly, OD and II
would have oversight in a pyramid all
the way down to every intelligence
agency within the United States. Okay.
Even ones that can only operate outside
>> Sure.
>> of the United States.
So, what does it look like? Well, it
depends on who you're asking about. So,
Arrow
is beholden or sorry, beholden. Yeah,
I'd say beholden to the Pentagon, but I
would I would typically say Arrow is
beholden to ODNI. And I could be wrong,
by the way. So, I'm just a bearded guy
with tattoos who has a great mentor. I
get things wrong all the time. So, I'm
telling you now, I believe this to be
the case. When I think about it later, I
might change my answer.
>> So, if OD and I if if OD and I is
running
and it's got arrow underneath and arrow
is doing the the pressurization of of
somebody. Yep. Okay. that's going to
have a distinct odor, feel, and smell.
So the way Arrow goes about it is they
will have um for example a colonel
and they will call for example
um a navy an active navy guy and the
active navy guy says I decline
to interview with you because I have
said so I'm going somebody that did
testify right now to be kind of safe
about my words but like Chief Wiggins
okay he testified to the world raised
his hand active Navy. So then Arrow
after the fact under ODNI
they is my impression. They would call
him and he would respectfully decline an
interview because he said I told them
everything I know. What are you
interested in? And then Arrow would say,
"Well, I'm not interested in in in
people.
I'm just interested in events." Right?
So, Senior Chief Wiggins would then be
asked like, "So, who was with you in
that room when that video was taken?"
Now, I know they're lying to him already
because I provided them every name.
>> Mhm.
>> It was in that room because I provide a
lot of people every name cuz it's public
record cuz it's not a classified
situation, right? So, now you've got
this weird kind of pressurization that
is beginning. And then if he declines
again, and by the way, when they catch
you on the phone and they pretend to be
like driving in a car, or they are
driving in a car, but they're pretending
like, "Oh, Mr. Magcoo, everything's
cool." They're weaponizing his answers
to try to entrap him in something that
isn't real, right? They're they're
wishing cuz they don't know. And that's
what's so cool. They don't know. So,
they're trying to create a situation to
pressurize him. Why? Because ultimately,
they want to have they want to be able
to shape the emerging UAP narrative. So
they want to have control of any naval
person that would ever even dare to
stand up and raise their hand about UAP
again. Not that they're not going to let
him. Yeah. They're just going to shape
it.
>> They they have to Yeah. Um Yeah. They
got to put out the fires.
>> They No, they need to do a have control
of the burn.
>> Mhm.
>> So So that is one way that you apply
pressure and that is the um inert way.
You nobody can get in trouble. Nobody is
getting in trouble. This is a high level
thing, but what they're trying to do is
spread a word on the wash
that there are obstacles to you telling
the truth in the Navy because the things
spread like when I brought when I kept
commander
>> that's so subtle like it feels
>> I'm telling you the subtle one.
>> Yeah, it feels like that could almost be
mistaken for
I guess um ignorant.
>> Oh, I didn't finish.
>> Okay. Because then once you've declined
and then your superior gets a call and
that call is simply like menacing
and then the superior says well what
happens because the Navy's so they got
the backs of their sailors they got the
backs of them that's true that's fact
about the Navy
>> so then the we'll say senior person I
don't want to identify rank or whatever
>> um they'll say so what happens if he
declines signs again and the flex will
be well we'll go to Pete Hexath.
>> Okay.
>> Okay. So they will go to
>> like just flexing that they have a
direct line
>> and you know his position.
>> Yeah. The Secretary of War.
>> Okay. So that was their flex which made
me [ __ ] laugh. I got my sense of
humor back when I heard that,
>> man. Cuz that is the worst possible flex
they could possibly do cuz it's such
[ __ ]
>> Yeah.
>> So, now we're in the thick of that,
right?
>> That's like I'll tell the teacher.
>> No. Well, so I hate keep saying no, but
um Yes. And Yes. And um we are going to
get the teacher to sit you in the corner
and you will [ __ ] answer and you will
interview with us even though you've
already said everything to the American
public that you [ __ ] know. And that's
the end of a message that then flows
through the Navy. Now, that is the
inert, right? I listed three types.
Covert, um, overt, I think I said, and
inert. Is that what I said? Sure. Play
the tape back. Okay.
>> So, that is like the most simple version
of inert. Right now, you've got we're
talking about threatening witnesses. Is
that what we're talking about?
>> Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> Well, I just want to know what they mean
by that because we've heard it a lot.
We've heard about reprisals. we heard
this and that and it's kind of been like
never even you know when Grush talked
about it Grush has said that you know
people have sustained uh injury and you
know casualties have been taken but like
it's always kind of been vague and I
just want to know what exactly goes on
with these interactions. So, so it is
always going to be big because now we're
going to move over from co or we're
going to move out from inert. We're
going to move to um I think we'll move
to covert.
>> Okay.
>> So, so covert. Um or should what was the
other one I said? Um
>> overt. We we can go to overt. Let's go
overt and then covert. Okay. So
overt.
You get a call and on the other end of
that call is we are going to [ __ ]
kill you.
Full stop.
Hang up. That's just a start. Okay, that
that's overt, right? Would you agree
that's overt?
>> That's pretty overt.
>> Yeah, we're going to [ __ ] kill you.
>> Hang up. Now, that'll get in your head
like a worm. Okay. So, you get like a
bunch of those.
>> You don't know where that's coming from.
>> Let's keep going.
Overt. You tell me if this is overt.
You're at a a bar and you're you're
there with friends that can read. I say
they can read. They can read the room.
Okay. A funny story about auntie, but
anyway, they can read. And there is a
violently murderous, quiet [ __ ]
just sitting by you. And you can feel
like pain, right? Like it hurts.
And you're like, "Oh, it's [ __ ] in my
head." You know, [ __ ] chill out, man.
Get a sense of humor. Breathe. You know,
it's fine.
So, you are so used to this that you go
to the bar cuz you know all the locals
and you just ask, "You ever seen this
guy before?" Nobody's ever seen this
guy. Nobody. Servers there 10 years.
Never seen this guy.
So, you buy a beer and you put the beer
down right next to the guy
and you go, "Hey, man. Never seen you
around here. My name is Jeremy. Here's a
cool sticker. It's a joke." Um, but it's
not. It's good. That's [ __ ] flying
saucer. You know, like that. And you go,
"You live by here."
And the the the mask, the charade just
like vanishes. Totally unmasked, right?
Totally unmasked. and you happen to have
a reporter
>> watching
>> who can read
and the individual says something
exactly like, "Yeah,
just down the road, but like that."
And you're like, "Cool.
So, bullshit."
And then that guy would say something
like very, very threatening, would stand
up, walk away. Now, when I said
[ __ ] let me clarify. I didn't say
like [ __ ] I was like, "Come on,
man." That was my version of [ __ ]
So, that is very overt intimidation,
especially when you can find out later
who that person was.
>> You found out who that person was.
>> I'm saying especially when you can.
>> Did you?
>> I'm going to decline to answer that.
>> Okay. Well, I mean,
>> I'm sorry. I mean, I need to hold
something for myself. Yeah. For my own
sake.
>> So, you may or may not have found out
who that was.
>> For my own sanity, right?
>> Sure. Okay.
>> So, I'm not trying to be evasive. Give
me the
>> soda. Could you take this guy in a
fight? If it No weapons.
>> No.
>> He was big.
>> Yeah.
>> He's a huge guy.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No way. I'm dead.
>> So, especially when a when when your
friend follows that guy because he can
read and was hanging out by a car
watching everything cuz I got good
friends. I don't hang out with
douchebags.
>> Yeah.
>> And they follow and he notices that the
guys because he's not like a trained
guy. And when he notices, he walks up
into the woods.
>> Not Yeah, he walked up into the woods.
>> Oh, that's creepy.
>> Yeah. So, that's overt. Would you
consider that overt?
>> When you when you called him out for
[ __ ] what did he say?
>> Um, [ __ ] Uh, the exact words were um
like watch your back or something or was
it
>> No, I think what I said was I didn't say
the exact words you said. I don't recall
what I
>> Yeah, you said like uh no way or
whatever.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I I'm sorry. my brain this
morning. Whatever I said before, if I
said it, then it was in my mind as the
exact. I don't want to put myself right
there again cuz I'm just moving you
through over.
>> Yeah. You were like, "Get out of here."
>> So, so no, no, I didn't say get out of
here.
>> No, like when he said, you know, I live
down the road. You called him out on it,
right?
>> Did he say anything back to you before
he left?
>> Yes. And I already said it and I my
brain is already
>> No, you didn't say what he said. You
said what you said. Yeah.
>> So, let's just let's just leave it at
that and I want to move forward.
>> All right.
>> Um I I I will do a disclaimer about my
my brain. uh at the later my memory. No,
that's fine. This works. Okay, fine. I
understand.
>> So, I have to I have to put myself there
visually.
>> Yeah.
>> But I've already moved on. So, so now
>> Jeremy, first of all, as someone who
spent time with you, like I understand
you don't have to keep explaining um you
know,
your your the way that you interpret how
your brain works or anything. I get it.
>> No, no, I know. But your audience
doesn't know me.
>> That's okay.
>> Okay.
>> I get it. And if they've watched the
movie, um, which by now they would have,
um, they'll get a glimpse into who you
are,
>> okay?
>> And how your brain works,
>> okay?
>> And I think they can appreciate it. And
I think, uh, you know, just just so that
you don't have to feel the need to stop
and and address it all the time,
>> okay? But I, you know, I usually have a
pen and paper cuz I I I don't want to
get off track when I answer your
questions. I hate it when people don't
answer questions, but I I need to take
you somewhere so that you really
understand it.
>> You're pretty good at putting a pen in
things. Okay. So now here we are. Would
you consider I've given you two now.
Would you consider that overt?
>> I would consider that somewhere between
covert and overt.
>> Right. So so now now we're there. It was
covert before it was overt. Okay. It
became very overt. Yeah. Okay. But so
now I gave you one which is like the
calls. Then I gave you one where the guy
kind of starts off covert and then is
overt. Yeah.
>> Now I've got another one for you to show
you where the lines start blurring. So,
let's say you're standing somewhere and
somebody mark bumps into you and marks
you. Let's just marks you. We'll say I
just want to be
>> physically bumps into you.
>> Physically bumps into you and like, you
know, let's say puts something on you
that marks you. Let's pretend it's a
pin. Okay. Sure.
>> You know, bump into you. Next thing you
know, you're wearing a pin. Okay.
>> So, then later you come to understand
the meaning of that pin, right? And so
that is overt even though
>> nothing is quite said now.
>> So there's another version. We're
getting into the real covert. Yeah. We
got to look around our bed.
>> Just I'm making sure the cameras roll.
>> I know. I was giving you cover.
>> Okay. I'm I'm trying to be
>> He's making sure the cameras are still
rolling. These are brand new cameras and
Chris Ramsey is nervous that the
screen's going to go out. Okay.
>> Boom. All screens going.
>> Okay. So So now we're kind of blending
the covert over. You know, you said
brass knuckles. Um sure people get beat
up. They get [ __ ] killed all the time
for what they know. That does happen.
And that's not just UFO related. That's
like we have in the mob
>> there are thugs all over,
>> right? In the mob, you get killed simply
because you know something, you will be
murdered viciously to send a message.
But sometimes when people just vanish,
that is also a message to the people
that need to hear the message.
Poof, you're gone. You're Masslin. Poof,
you're gone. You're so and so. Poof,
you're a guy at Los Alamos. You're gone.
Poof. You were working on a science
thing and all of a sudden, poof, you're
gone. You're gone. You're gone. Question
is, where'd you go? Now, we find bodies
sometimes. Question is, is Masslin a
threebody problem?
Is he because there were two others that
people are linking to him in some weird
kind of way? And did it have anything to
do with UFOs? I have no idea. I'm not
read into that. But I'm just saying
sometimes people vanishing is more of a
message to those that need to know than
if somebody gets killed.
>> So the worst thing you could do
>> is um like stab Dylan Borland in the
neck 20 times uh you know in public cuz
then that would make a lot of questions.
So if you really were trying to hurt
somebody
>> Yeah.
>> then the best way to do it
>> is covert.
>> Just make them go away.
>> No. That's cuz remember that's a big
message too.
>> Oh that's a big message too.
>> Right. So, it would be covert. And the
best way to get a result is to have
people do it for you without them even
knowing it.
>> How do you mean?
>> Okay. So, you've got somebody that is
mentally unstable and already dislikes
Chris Ramsey. We're going to put it on
you so you can feel it. Okay. Okay.
>> So, this guy is a UFO fanatic and this
guy is unstable and this guy [ __ ]
hates you, Chris.
Okay. Easy. This guy also has a history.
That history allows him to be close to
intelligence,
but he [ __ ] hates you.
>> And he ain't wrapped so tight.
>> But that's why they chose him in the
first place for other jobs. You have to
be a little bit of um sociopathic
tendencies to be chosen. Not loose
cannon. They can't have that. Um ask
that guy that was in prison from the
CIA. um that dude who's famously a
whistleblower about um murders or sorry
about um torture.
>> What's his name? Come on man, my brain.
>> Um Karyaku, John Keryaku or something.
So this guy was famously CIA and FBI
tried to entrap him because he told the
truth to the world that we were
waterboarding and torturing people. So
he served out of choice four years in
prison as a CIA guy for you know
disclosure going on the news of this
fact because it was the right thing to
do. and he'd do it again. Right? So,
kind of reeling me back in to the story
about you. So, you've got somebody now
that has close ties to intelligence, who
is not a loose cannon, just has
sociopathic
um tendencies, but is not sociopathic
because you can't control those guys.
Okay?
All that needs to be done
is to instigate quietly, poke, prod,
inflame, and then that person gets the
bright idea to really hurt you.
>> Right?
>> So now that person is as an emissary
doing what's wanted by these
intelligence agencies because he already
doesn't like you, already has
significant training, and just needs a
little poke and proddding. That's
covert. is that cuz you know those those
type of psychological tactics
you know is very reminiscent of like MK
Ultra uh type you know behavior as well.
>> So I've heard
>> um is is there anything that leads you
to believe
that that is the case or is it a hunch?
No, I know. I I I know with 100%
factual.
>> You were told outside of that person
that this is happening by like some
credible.
>> So, the answer is yes. But hold on. Let
me process the time dilation and if I
can ever be clear on this.
>> Just let's pause the podcast right now.
I mean, let's keep rolling, but just let
me pause.
>> Sure.
I'm going to speak freely but we need to
check if this can be said.
>> Sure.
>> Okay.
>> You will check that with me?
>> Yeah. 100%.
>> Okay.
So, I'll speak freely.
Ask my mom.
I was told
by an agency. Yeah. they brought a
sincere credible and urgent threat to my
life to me
and so there's there's some I don't want
to reveal certain words because then all
of a sudden that's the agency you can
imagine but so imagine
>> I mean there's not too many agencies
here
>> imagine you have to sit down with your
mom and your wife and because you've had
to move twice because of threats to to
your life
>> Mhm.
Most of them overt, some covert, like
moving into my new house and having it
show up in a tabloid
>> called dirt.com.
>> Okay. So, um, and only two people know
cuz you bought it in a blind LLC and
those two people over 3 years, you found
out for [ __ ] sure they didn't do it.
Then you found out who paid the $300 to
get that ad in there. And that [ __ ]
sucks.
>> Cuz cuz then you realize America is not
what you thought it was. So, let's reel
it back in.
>> So, the person who paid for the ad is a
member of an agency. So, I can't prove
that,
>> right? But that's your hunch.
>> I would say I would say I know,
>> but I still can't prove that.
>> Okay.
>> Okay. So, but yeah, whatever. It doesn't
matter. Um, but but here's the deal.
>> But that's pretty significant.
>> Yeah, it's very significant to me in my
understanding of the world.
>> But let's get back to the Chris Ramsay
threat and my mom and my wife. So,
you're sitting there and the FBI is
informing you um and you're informing
them, too. But then they sidebar your
mom and they they they take that
opportunity to tell her some truths,
right? They don't want to say it
necessarily right there with me, but
they kind of tell my mom what's up,
right? And the thing is is that they
really can't protect you because if
there is an agency who is covertly
pushing a psychopath to hurt you, Chris,
and you were told that by someone you
trust, meaning an agency that's supposed
to protect you. That's what we're
talking about as far as like covert
using people. That is real. I know that
is real because I have personally
experienced it. But let's talk about the
other witnesses and what's happened to
them. I mean, I don't know where you
want to go with this.
>> I mean, am I making sense to you?
>> You're making sense, definitely. And,
you know, I I guess for me it's um
you know, I'm sure many people feel this
way as well. You know, they want they
want specifics,
>> right,
>> when it comes to this stuff. But I also
understand that it gets sensitive around
specifics because you know there are
apparently lives at stake here and and
and more than um you know more lives
than than are publicly even disclosed.
And so that's a that's
>> freedom of thought
>> is at stake. Freedom of speech is at
stake.
>> Sure. Matthew Brown um his physical life
before he went public oh [ __ ] yeah was
um I would say it was very clear that
that people didn't want him to come
forward.
>> So when you say that
>> what do you mean by that? Because when I
hear that I hear that a lot. It was very
clear
>> and in the interview that you released
with Matt in both interviews with George
as well
>> um you it seems to be agreed upon
between the three of you.
>> Yeah. that yes, serious things have been
implied and there has been sort of
activity surrounding uh a threatening
nature,
but we're we're always just told that.
We're never told the specifics. Is it
because it's dirt? Is it like what is it
that that they that they have that?
>> No, there's no dirt on that.
>> No, but what what I'm asking because I
can only assume, right? And and it's
always it always seems like oh they're
definitely threatening but then we never
get to hear like
you know you said they called you and
said we're going to kill you. That I
understand.
>> Yeah but that's overt.
>> That's as direct as it gets.
>> Um but a a kid could do that.
>> Yes. But what I'm asking is at what
point does it go from it's actually
happening to
you know from an outsers's perspective
perceived paranoia?
>> Oh no. No. You Yeah. F first of all a
perceived threat is as important as a
real threat because it feels the same.
>> Sure.
>> Okay. So, so to the person, oh,
absolutely. You need to be
or you're going to get paranoid and you
need to document everything fidiously
and check it with people who are not in
your emotional state like your federal
lawyer. Like for me, it'd be a bunch of
people, right? You also need to have
evidence and proof. And so you and you
have to live that way. And living that
way means that every moment of your
life, unless you choose it to be, is
documented, recorded, audio, video,
pushed up to the cloud, spread out on
servers, encrypted, and then spread out
so anybody could see it if you ever say
so or want them to.
>> So you you're saying that you have
threats that are recorded,
>> bro.
>> Or that people, you know, have threats.
>> Recorded.
>> Well, first of all, both. Okay.
>> Is the answer. I want to answer your
question. Yeah. Okay. And then let's
move to my movie.
So you the movie opens with, if I
recall, with uh a CIA veteran.
>> Yes.
>> So let me let me show you the the shape
of the orange cup now, which I said was
CIA. Okay.
>> Yeah. Told you you were good at putting
pins in things.
>> Well, I have tools. These are all tools
for me to remember.
>> You're good at that.
>> So my memory is this. Here's CIA. Um, so
CIA,
if you if if you if you meet with them
and you know, first they try to enroll
you as a patriotic uh American. Okay.
But you're already enrolled. You're
already like, I am, you know, I'm never
going to hurt our country, you know. Um,
I'm going to do my best and if I [ __ ]
up, that's on me, not on you.
>> Sure.
>> Okay. They don't like that so much. So
then they're like, well, to enroll you,
they want to give you incentive. Okay.
So what does that look like? It's
transactional, bro. It's simple. You
know, maybe $10,000 a time. Now, you
have to understand, too, I'm a I'm a
journalist, so I have different rules
that I have to play by, and they have
different rules in order to contact me.
So, some some are like there's a
six-month process for one agency.
They're supposed to be rules. Okay.
Also, CIA ain't supposed to be operating
on American soil.
>> No, that's true,
>> right? It is not true, but it is true.
>> Yeah, but I mean, that is supposed to be
the NSA.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah. you know more than I do. So, here
we go. I mean, I you know, I don't know.
I just know that's a fact. So, you know,
the thing is people will get paid just
to go talk to somebody just by like
memorizing the streets of a small town,
right? Like, you know, they'll they'll
tell you we, you know, look, for me, I
don't give a [ __ ] because I get paid x
amount of dollars just to memorize
streets when I'm here, you know? But
when it comes down to money, so CIA is
the most covert. they're the most um I
respect their uh methodologies because
they never fully say what they're saying
until they do. So, at first it's like
enroll you. They they can't enroll you
cuz you're already enrolled. You want to
protect America. You're a patriot. You
live here. Then they'll be like, well,
you know, people get paid. You know,
it's a transactional thing. But you're
like, oh, but I'm I'm a journalist. And
so,
yeah. 100%.
>> 100%. And then like, you know, you don't
even let people buy you a beer.
>> No. Yeah.
>> Okay.
Then
when it gets heavier
and they can't enroll you and they can't
incentivize you, the next thing they can
do
is make you uncomfortable.
>> Mhm. So, an example of that would be
um you know, you buy a house in a blind
LLC and then a magazine prints it. Okay?
And there's only two people on planet
Earth that know that you're associated
with this property and you're moving
because of a direct threat that has been
proven to you and you were informed
about that. Then if that doesn't work
then the next thing is hey man we really
want to look out for you and we are
worried that just the bad guys you know
like other foreign nations um
intelligence people you know they might
try to honey trap you man you know they
might try to do this to you that to you
but we you know we can like look out for
you so you know let us know let us know
if something ever occurs like that and
then that [ __ ] they do that does treer
her, you know, people, but you know,
you're on guard. You got friends with
you. You have to live that way. So, you
got they all eyes open. You make a joke.
You say it out loud. You [ __ ] my
side. You know, the whole thing. You
didn't read my profile. You have to talk
to me about my dogs first. You making
jokes. Making jokes. So then that's
like, "Oh, [ __ ] You better report that
to your lawyer." Like, you know, just
the fact that someone was was this close
to you. You got to report that to your
lawyer. You'd give that to DOJ, FBI.
You'd go like that cuz you want
everybody to know that [ __ ] happened.
Now the question is and and they affirm
that that [ __ ] happened. Meaning you
have your friend taking a photo of the
Instagram of the girl when she's talking
to you. So you then look at the
Instagram profile, have her assume name,
pass it on to DOJ. Okay. So all of a
sudden you've got that kind of weird
honey trap thing where it's just
somebody's trying to get to you real
close to you. That seems exhausting
>> for me. Oh, dude, bro, I'm done living
like that.
>> So, so that's part of why I told you I'm
gonna be free because I put my cards on
the table, all 52. Chris, I might hold
one,
>> but that card ain't even supposed to be
in the deck.
>> That card's right here, Chris.
>> H.
>> Ah, okay. That one's not supposed to be
in the deck.
>> So, now
the next thing that occurs because you
ain't buying that [ __ ] because here's
why. Tell me if you already thought this
because if I can't operate on American
soil,
but MSAD can and does,
then I might ask my friend to send their
girl.
You tracking?
>> Mhm.
>> Okay, that happens every day. And I'll
finish it with this
>> little honeypotss.
>> Not just that, we're talking all types
of actions. So, let me put it to you
like this.
There is
an upside down and it is everywhere
around you at all times.
And the people that have trained
officially and are part of it know that
it exists. And it is the intelligence
web that is constantly operating at high
speed with time dilation. I mean faster
than you can think.
>> Like actually
>> 100%.
>> Like when you're saying this, you're not
just speaking in hyperbole.
>> No, I'm speaking in hyperbole. There's
no internet under the ground.
>> No, but I mean time dilation that.
>> No, no, no. I'm not going into weirdo
land. I'm sorry. Whoa. I got to be
careful. I forgot. We're talking UFO
[ __ ]
>> Oh, yeah. I'm 100%
massively invested in weirdo land. So I
>> So if you say if you say they're using
time dilation, I'm I'm pretty convinced
of that fact myself. No, I I have I have
no idea.
>> All right, you're not just entertaining
my psychosis here. This is Okay,
perfect.
>> I I am outside of the scope of my
knowledge base if I said that. I have I
have a theory base like we were talking
theory right now.
>> No, I thought you were gassing up my um
you know, my insane mind right now for a
sec cuz I'm like this is what I want to
talk. Let's talk about time.
>> I hope I'm g I hope I'm throwing I hope
you've got a fire burning in your brain
and I'm going to try to put it out with
gasoline right now. But so let's just
finish this because this is way heavier
than I wanted to start with. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
>> So I want to like reverse it, you know,
moonwalk from Z to A, but I'll just
finish this. This is what you said the
word hyperbole. Yeah. This is I'm just
explaining that
>> that thank God there is an intelligence
network that is operating at all times.
It's the upside down. You don't see it
and it's [ __ ] happening all the time
around you. And the only time it
percolates to the surface or there's a
puncture and you and you see behind that
veil is unfortunately
when you have to go into skiffs when
you've been involved when you've had
what I call badged contact cuz it's
literally badged contact and they read
your profile and they say got to talk
about my dogs. You have to show them a
video. You can't just do that. It has to
be a video and then you could talk to
him because he's a journalist and you
know he probably has a perfect audio
memory that can be transmitted at any
time verbatim. So just know that about
him as well because he always takes
phone calls on speaker phone for the
last uh more than 11 years now and and
and he's always talking on speaker
phone. So just know that about him.
>> So that's how you approach, right? So
you have to understand and now you do is
that there is an upside down and thank
god there is and it's so important but
the only time that we as normies see a
penetration or a poke like the the
ancient Greeks used to say stars were
hummingbirds that would poke holes in
the firmament and that's what stars were
right the only time you get to see that
I get to see that is when it's too late
when when you've already crossed the
Rubicon.
Otherwise, you have disbelief. You have
the word you said, which is a weapon,
which is paranoia,
>> which I have never been one day in my
life.
>> Like the word conspiracy theorist is a
is a dagger. It's a weapon. It's used to
discredit you.
>> But we can use those funny terms and we
can make UFOs funny again because they
should be.
>> I agree.
>> Yeah. So that that's just now that we've
done the heavy thing. Yeah. And you
understand
>> at least that I believe what I'm saying
to be true. Now we can lighten up. We'll
talk about time dilation.
>> I mean, yeah, it's Thank you for sharing
all that. And I know I know it's well,
it doesn't seem easy to talk about and
especially, you know, after watching the
movie. Um,
first of all, congratulations
is a weird thing to say.
>> Uh, but
>> I didn't make the movie. No, I know. But
the uh
>> Michael Lazoski made the movie.
>> Well, the movie is uh really good watch.
I I the Yeah, the artistic choices that
he made um were really
in were really appreciated. I
appreciated that.
>> You always want facts. You want
specifics like
>> Sure. I feel like in this movie the
focus was more on the in between moments
and the in between moments were put
forward as the main moments and the main
moments were kind of brushed aside
>> and I think that that's a director or
filmmakers approach to trying to find
the authenticity. It is hard going in
front of a camera and being authentic to
say to someone, hey, just be real, be
authentic, be yourself.
>> It's never been hard for me.
>> No, but I mean in
>> Why is it hard?
>> But in general, it it is hard for people
because people now you're conscious of
the camera and so you become
self-conscious and all of this. So one
of the Yeah. So, a a great way to go
beyond that is, you know, this is
something I had a I had a TV show we did
one season of and I was the executive
producer and the creator of the show and
I remember we were doing some sort of
hidden camera stuff because we wanted
people to not hidden camera but we
wanted people to act naturally with
cameras around.
>> Act naturally. Actually, the hilarious
>> you know that. Exactly. It is. It is.
>> You can't be acting. You just have to be
natural.
>> No, it is contradictory, but just sort
of, you know, that term, just act
natural. Um, which is hard for people to
do if they're cognizant, if the camera's
around. So, what we would do is, uh, the
camera would be filming. And we noticed
as soon as people yelled, uh, cut,
>> everyone would relax and then they'd be
themselves.
>> And so, we had a code word for cut.
>> Instead of being someone else, you had a
code word for cut.
>> So, we had we had a code word for cut.
So, when we said cut, it wasn't cut. It
was cameraman relax and look away while
he's still filming. And then we get the
real moments because a lot of the
moments we were like, "What did you can
you describe what happened in that magic
trick?" And if the camera's there, they
go,
>> "Uh, it was great.
>> Uh, so wow, it was amazing." You know,
and then we're like, "We can't use that.
We need authenticity." And so we go,
"All right, we got it cut." And then we
go like, "Wasn't that crazy?" They go,
"OH MY GOD, THAT WAS so insane." and
they'd open up while we're filming sort
of slouched. And so what I'm trying to
say with this is during this there were
a lot of moments where you know there's
a moment where you got very emotional
where you're like
>> you said that's okay years ago to me.
>> I did and you were like cut this out
[ __ ] You left and you left the
room.
>> No in the to me and in this movie. Um
>> and he left that in the movie. Of course
he [ __ ] did
>> me with TMZ too [ __ ] But I also
think that like aside from that, there
was also those in between moments with
John
>> Lear. Hold on. I said [ __ ] in a good
way. Like I love you, Ryan at TM. You
left it in even though I was like, are
you sure you want? So what happened with
John Le?
>> Yeah, with John Leer, it was much of the
same. First of all, I didn't realize how
much John Leer enjoys eating until
>> we cut out 90% of that.
>> Every scene was he was stuffing his face
with something. It was unbelievable. He
was either smoking a cigar or or eating.
And he was always when he's eating, he's
so consumed by what he's eating. He's
just like and he's and and he's
listening half listening. He's like and
just back to back to food.
>> Did it capture the movie? Did you see a
glimpse of his laughter?
>> Yeah. Yeah,
>> you did. Okay.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Especially Especially when
um when he was asked
>> um
>> do you think you're nuts?
>> Do you think you're crazy? You know, and
Yeah. Do you think you're nuts?
>> Warm nuts.
>> Exactly. And he kind of brushed it off
and he's like, "No." He's like, "I know
these things to be real." He's like,
"Other people might think I'm nuts."
>> He didn't brush it off. He said with
absolute like pity on me.
>> Yeah.
>> No.
>> Yeah.
>> No.
>> Yeah. To him.
>> No. But there's there's another laugh.
There's another laugh that he gets. And
I I don't know if Michael put it in his
movie. But let's let's myopic this for a
second. Let's split a hair. Um let's
talk about Michael for one second
because I've never been able to talk
about this movie because it hasn't come
out yet. This is the first time that I'm
talking about this movie and I don't
know if I'm ever going to talk about
this movie again.
>> So, I want to talk about this movie and
about Michael. Okay.
>> Um, one other thing you said that I put
a mental pin in I want to come back to.
But,
>> so, Michael Lzovski,
about being natural. Um, so I wanted to
ask you a question about being natural.
I learned something about a camera and I
think that's what allowed me to never
fear them
>> or never know just decline to admit them
their existence
>> because I do and and you know me and I
have a purpose and I use the camera like
a weapon. So if I go on a new show I use
that time like a weapon and then I know
the camera's going or whatever but it's
never about the camera and there's a
reason why. There's a reason how I got
there and I want to tell you that. But
first quick question. Why do you think
that a camera inhibits
acting normally or whatever the word you
said was acting?
>> Yeah.
>> Why
>> authentically rather than just being
with it? Why does that lens do that to
people?
>> Because you become self-aware.
>> Why is that a problem?
>> Well, it's it's it's only it's only a
problem for people who are afraid of how
they're being perceived.
>> Exactly.
>> Yeah. So if you're
>> why do we why do we have fear about the
way we're perceived?
>> It's fear of not being loved.
>> Okay, hold on. Give me a my brain a
second. Fear of not being loved.
Okay. Is it also fear? So yes. And is it
also fear of being hated and ridiculed?
>> Same. The one and the same. I consider
the same thing. Yeah.
>> Okay. So we're saying the same thing.
>> Yeah.
>> So agreed. Now we can move on.
>> Yeah. Okay.
>> Um, so I mean that was a really nice
thing to watch unfold is these in
between moments. There's a moment where
John Le's stuck in the kitchen with his
wheelchair.
>> I got to get this out of my head and
then you go on with the wheelchair.
>> So the reason why I don't fear the
camera.
>> Sure.
>> Is because I learned from the first time
I pointed it at somebody that in fact
the opposite is true. that sometimes
when you put a camera on someone, if
it's that kind of person, it's like a
pressure valve. The first time I opened
a camera on someone, they told me [ __ ]
that they had never even told their wife
or their family. So, my experience with
a camera started for me on this end of
it. And I realized that that's the kind
of person that I want to interview cuz
I'm learning the stuff that is not
supposed to be said or they felt it
wasn't. And it was like healing.
>> It was cathartic.
>> And I I put that in a little box and I
buried it under the ground and and that
person knows because I
>> hyperbole.
>> No.
>> Really?
>> You really buried it?
>> I I buried [ __ ] my whole life.
>> Okay.
>> I'm just making sure
>> it's in the [ __ ] movie. Did you
finish the movie?
>> Yes. But that's what I'm wondering if
you're are you referring to that as like
a hyperbolic sort of anecdote or are you
actually saying this is another thing I
buried?
>> You're in Alice in Wonderland now and
there's no hope. Okay. Remember Le said
that. So here's the deal with that is
that healing thing and my being on this
side. I realized this camera is a
passport. But I also realized that you
have to act. The trick to being trusted
is to actually be trustworthy. The only
problem with trust is it doesn't end
once somebody trusts you. You have to
continuously reinforce, prove it, show
the receipts, and maintain it. If you
want a high level of trust, that's why I
always tell people if something I say
sounds too fantastic, well, ask me right
now. No preparation and I will give you
I'll show you the receipt. But I brought
I brought a different phone so I can't.
But anyway, that is me and my friends,
we have this joke. We're all receipt.
And it's not cuz we don't believe each
other. It's because we need to know it's
true. Um it needs to be reinforced. Like
if if if miracles happen, Chris, and
there was over 200 miracles and you know
cuz you've had your own miracle in
magic, but you know that there's impact
in the receipts, you would collect those
and you would create a book and you
would tell the world. So what what I'm
trying to say is that that relationship
that I had to a camera and then where I
said and I showed trust over and over
and I buried it and I buried it and I
buried it uh both hyperbole and not
hyperbole at that time. Um, what happens
is that gets around. So when I kept
Commander Fraver's secret, when I could
have been the person to break that story
in the big scale and everybody,
including Fraver, started telling
everybody that kid kept my [ __ ]
secret, that spreads like a virus where
all of a sudden everybody's got a
contagion and that spreads. and it's
that this guy can keep his mouth shut
because the biggest part of telling
secrets is knowing how functionally and
when to keep them. So now with the
camera situation sorted that we've just
sorted here on Area 52, you know, I
think that you should feel authentic in
front of a camera and if you don't don't
get in front of one
>> because you can never take that back.
>> Sure.
>> That is something you can never take
back.
>> So anyway, with that said, now go back
to your saying a funny moment there.
Well, I mean that's an interesting you
provide an interesting perspective I
think into your personality as well
because all you know you're clearly
someone who
has an ability to you have the gift of
gab whether you think so or not. You
have the ability to tell a story in a
very entertaining manner in a cadence
that demands people's attention. It's a,
you know, when you speak, you have this
rare ability where people lean in. They
do.
>> Okay.
>> And
some people, and this is for the people
out there listening, some people might
think that's only for the camera because
it's the only time you get to see Jeremy
Corbel.
>> Gotcha.
>> Uh, but I've seen Jeremy Corbel without
the camera. And I think everybody who
has met Jeremy outside of camera
understands that you're the exact same
person.
>> Yeah. This is you off camera, too. Um,
but it might be mistaken for a lot of
people to think, "Oh, this guy's being
insincere. He's playing a part." No,
that's Jeremy. Jeremy's being who he is
on and off camera.
>> I can't be I have not been able to be
someone other than myself.
>> I can confirm that since I've known you,
like that's that's been who you are. And
it's it's a quirk that I've come to
appreciate.
>> It's a quirk.
>> It is a quirk.
>> Oh my lord. This is too much
self-reflection.
I have to watch your podcast.
>> Defin you definitely have quirks. But
you know it's an endearing quality I
think in my in my eyes. Um but
regardless there is enough of me glazing
you here. There's uh there is there is a
there is a a very endearing quality to
this documentary regardless of like you
know we spoke about this before I
watched it. You're like, you said
something to the effect of the first
hour is just so you know who I am kind
of deal and then the last half hour is
like that's that's the stuff.
>> That's what I think. I didn't make the
movie, but when I had to watch it and
endure it.
>> Yeah.
>> You know,
I felt like and you should ask Michael.
[ __ ] Michael is the one that made it.
But like it felt to me like he was just
trying to make sure people understood
that I mean what I say and I say what I
mean and that I'm worthy of your trust.
I'm trustworthy.
And then I realized that towards the end
he shows you some [ __ ] and I think it's
important and I think that's why he set
up the movie like that. You're going to
have to ask him
>> because for me I don't have the same
experience.
>> Yeah. There's there's there's a few like
really interesting uh artistic choices
as well. The lighting, the music like
>> Okay. So, let's pick one. So, like I
noticed the hands, right? So, at one
point,
>> um I throw my hands up as a young kid
>> and he cuts immediately to the same
position and I was like I was like,
"What did I just see?" And I'm like,
"Shit, that kid's like putting some
stuff in there.
>> A lot of footage to sift through to find
that,
>> too. He's a master filmmaker." And
that's what I realized. He's a I've been
through a process with him. I I said,
"Michael, there's no way." He's like,
"Can I just have the drives?" I'm like,
"I ain't going to [ __ ] trust you. you
come into my life, massage, I'm not
going to trust you. My wife's saw, you
got to trust somebody. And and she was
right. Trust is a choice the first time.
After that, it's it's repeated. So, I
gave him 20 years of footage. 99.9% I
never put out. That kid has seen it all.
>> Except for what I didn't give him.
>> Sure. What was buried?
>> Well, I didn't give him stuff, but I
gave him 99% of it. So, he watched it
all. So when I told him a story and he's
like, "No way." He'd come back to me and
he goes, "Dude, it was cooler than you
remembered. Check this out." And I was
like, "What the fuck?" So I gave him 20
years of my footage, then he stuff
started happening. And then he's like,
"Dude, we got to turn on the camera
fresh." I'm like, I said, "We're not
doing that." And then he's like, "We got
to turn on the camera fresh." I'm like,
"I got to trust you." It was a it was a
trust exercise. So that kid, I just want
to not get off him yet. Michael
Lazowski, right out of AFI, I think is
the term. like, you know, probably top
of his class cuz he's an overachiever.
Um, sincere sweetheart, but a very
powerful man, family,
good human, worthy of your trust. I only
put one, and I'll let him say it. I put
one restriction on him for the movie.
And I like leaving things undone so you
stay curious. And you should ask him
what the one condition I had was for him
to make and use my 20 years of footage
when you talk to him.
>> Sure.
>> Okay. Yeah. Um I there was a few there's
a few choices there as well that
you know I found really interesting as
as as someone who knows you. Um one was
you know he didn't cut around the fact
you're cracking beers during this movie.
>> And you know someone in your position
might be like hey man can you cut a few
of those out? I feel like I'm drinking a
lot of beers on camera.
>> Really?
>> Yeah maybe. But I think it shows once
again just who you're building, you're
taking care of houses, you're cracking a
beer, you're fixing stuff,
>> you know, you're you're walking your
dog.
>> Fact.
>> It shows you it shows your mom. Fact.
>> Your relationship with your mom. Fact.
>> Um, you know, how close you guys are.
Clearly that comes across as well and
how much she cares about you, how much
you care about her. That's very, very
apparent.
>> I love her. I love my whole family.
>> Yeah. And it's it's very very apparent.
And so it was it was these small
glimpses and and and they weren't I
think what I I think what a relief to me
watching it was they weren't all
flattering.
>> Okay.
>> And I think I think that that's good.
>> Okay.
>> No, I know that to be good because the
last thing you want is a puff piece,
>> right?
>> You know, of you like that's not real.
>> No, that's not real. Correct. Exactly.
And this really showed it really showed
all the parts. So, I was really I was
kind of really appreciative watching it
from that lens of being like, "Oh, yeah,
that's Jeremy."
>> Now, I got to kill the guy or what? What
do you want to show? Okay, you got to
thank him. No,
>> I'm going to thank him with action.
>> Um, okay. Let's get into First of all, I
do want to sidebar go back to that pin
that I put. Uh, John Leer,
>> we got a whole map. Which pin?
>> John Leer playing Bumper Cars in the
kitchen
>> was one of the one of the highlights for
me when, you know, it is sad because you
see his decline. Uh you were there with
John Leer through you know his
unfortunate you know decline.
>> Well we all decline.
>> Yeah we do. But it is it takes lucky.
>> It takes strength to to be there you
know and you see you're fluffing up the
pillows for him when he's shirtless on
the couch and you know all these type of
moments.
>> Yeah.
>> How you know that must have been that
must have been kind of difficult to to
witness and and and sit through. Well, I
loved John Leair. I love John Lair. He
was a true friend to me in the capacity
that he could be. He was limited in some
ways. Um, what really hurt was but but
what really hurt was that I was his
least favorite human on planet Earth. At
least he tried to pretend I was. I
probably was, but I'm might be a little
delusional about that. um towards the
end and it made me really sad because
even when we were friends, he'd get
really mad at me and like yell [ __ ] you
know, and I I couldn't find the voice
messages for Michael's and one thing I
couldn't find. Um but he would cuz you
know, everything in the movie you see is
actual. That was the first time I drove
to his [ __ ] house was we put the
first time in because we said we're
showing the first time. So that was kind
of I'm going to give you a hint. was
kind of the only condition
is that [ __ ] I guess I'm just going to
say it and see if Michael agrees, but
I'm going to tell you. You may not do
any
movie magic. You may not put anything in
there that isn't 100% accurate and true.
That is down to the voice message of him
telling me to get Philly Titans because
now now you're starting to understand me
for a second here.
Before I started filming with John, for
some reason, I was recording almost
every word that came to me at all times.
Not a good way to live, bro. But that's
how I have that message from John. So
now you're getting a little insight into
what I had said earlier back here in
time today is that
everything in that movie is exactly as I
as I say it and as you see it. And that
was the only thing about Michael because
the thing about me with movies, I've
always wanted to make one that [ __ ]
repeat. I want to make one that seems
real and is real but has a weird
undertone of the perforation and the
[ __ ] hummingbirds touching the
[ __ ] firmament to look like stars.
But I've never done that cuz I started
with a movie called Patient 17
and I was shocked.
Very shocked. Then then I started then I
went in on the you know skinwalker movie
which is perplexing and then Lazar. So
I've never been able to make that movie
I want and I'm I think I'm done making
movies right but Michael's movie because
it was partially my movie because it was
my footage. It has to be [ __ ] honest
brutally everything accurate authentic
and honest. Did he achieve his goal? Did
he get it? Did Michael get it? Was he
honest?
>> Are you asking me?
>> Yeah, I'm asking you.
>> Well, I don't know,
>> right?
>> That's for you to know.
>> Well, I know.
>> It seemed honest,
>> but maybe you'll find out.
>> Yeah. No, absolutely. There there is a I
remember one part that I really liked,
too, was this character that John Lear
had been chatting with, the the the guy
who told him about the afterlife. I
forget. Uh the Mr. Mr. Sleeper. That's
right.
>> Was it Mr. Sleeper or just Sleeper or
whatever it was?
>> I like that. You
>> Yeah. I don't know. He's a sweetheart,
by the way. He is an absolute
sweetheart.
>> Sure.
>> I feel kind of bad. That's the one part
of the movie I feel kind of bad about
>> because what what Michael didn't say in
the movie, he told what I felt.
>> He told that I thought
>> that it was a lie. A knowing I think a
knowing lie.
>> Yeah.
>> But sometimes like husbands and wives,
they say these little pretty lies to
make the other and the other one knows
that they're lying. So Lear is dying.
>> Yeah. and Lear knows he's going to die
>> and he's telling him you're going to go
to heaven.
>> Gave him a ticket, bro. He gave him a
ticket. So, I felt like that was a
knowing lie. I hope that's how the movie
portrays it because what happens is in
reality too, Sleeper is a really the
limited exposure I have to very amazing,
authentic, sweet human. And he's not a
liar. He's not a liar. So when that
thing came up in that movie, it made me
kind of squirm, but I'm I'm kind of
going like, well, that's true, too. So,
I just wanted to caveat that. Well, your
audience is going to see it. So, I got
to caveat that, which is that
>> when I that really ungrounded me
and in comes the anchor
>> like the news anchor who's an anchor
>> and a totem pole. Yeah.
>> George [ __ ] that name. Um, I
was just going to say there's a moment
where that guy where you set up the
camera and you have him walk into the
hotel and sit down and then he
immediately he goes, "How was that? Was
that good?" You're like, "Yeah, that was
great. It seemed really natural." And
that stayed in. And it's those moments
that I really liked about this
documentary.
>> What I do that too is like um I make
sure like I give somebody what they're
looking for. So I don't think that says
a lot about him being uncomfortable. I
think it sounds more that you want to
make sure I got
>> Yeah, of course. I just like that the
the artistic choice
>> of leaving that in versus starting on
the talking head.
>> Understood. Sorry.
>> Cuz you start on the talking head.
That's what everybody does. And he had
him walk in, sit down, and be like, "Did
you get it?" "Yeah, we got it." And then
nothing.
>> That's what we're talking about.
>> And and then we cut out his entire
interview. All we took was the authentic
walk-in, the sit down, the trying to act
normal, and that's it. And I I thought
that was really uh endearing. And so, it
was those little moments that I really
enjoyed.
>> Michael,
>> yeah,
>> he's he's great.
>> Yeah, it's a great choice. It was a It
was a refreshing take on on, you know,
you you watch UFO documentaries, you
think you know what you're going to get,
and it's not at all what I thought. And
I liked I liked the surprise. Um
there, you know, there's all this going
on. There's the Edgar Mitchell stuff
which I thought was really interesting.
Um, you know, you kind of see that back
and forth banter slightly between Edgar
Mitchell and John Leer and you know the
mutual respect which he talks about but
also this sort of like disagreement on
the moon landing for obvious reasons.
Um, which which interesting uh you have
um you know um what's his face? Colonel
John Alexander
>> and with Lear eating and Lear's eating
wearing a tinfoil hat at the atomic
testing museum and in the back
>> Oh, yes. It's it's it's Lear and and
Alexander, not Lear and Mitchell. That's
right. Yes.
>> And and we get Yeah. It's it's Lear and
Colonel John B. Alexander and Lear's
there as a agent provocator with a top
hat that's a fedora.
>> It's a top hat that is a tin foil hat at
the atomic test museum. And somebody
says something like, "Is there food
here?" He's eating because that that's
the truth. That's what was going on. And
then if you look really closely, tell me
if I'm wrong world, but I think I
believe there's just one glimpse and
also because I just haven't watched the
movie bunch, but I believe Nick Pope is
sitting far away at a table sitting
there. And I believe I believe that
maybe his first or one of his first that
was my first encounter of ever seeing or
meeting him if it was that time.
>> And man, he was in this bathroom before
and he was so nervous and it and I had
never met him. So, I'd seen him before
obviously, so he had must have been out
there, but he was so nervous. And I look
at him and I go, "Bro, are you nervous?"
I [ __ ] Words just come out my mouth.
What a cool moment. And you said, "John,
you said um Edgar Mitchell, time
dilation." I don't know what you saw in
that movie. But what you didn't see was
Oh, I don't know. Um the hour and a half
phone call where he made me sit in a
room with his psychic on the telephone.
>> Edgar Mitchell's psychic. Yeah, Edgar
Mitchell had a psychic and he talked to
her weekly and there's an hour and a
half what he knew was being recorded as
an hour and a half of me sitting there
and the psychic who felt like a
charlatan to me was trying to convince
him I was the reincarnation of his son
who had passed away.
>> Oh my god,
>> bro. It's on tape. Play the tape back.
Moonwalk Z to A. I'm just saying there's
a compression and I'm sorry I keep
cutting you off. I'm just really pumped
up on this coffee you gave. Is this
atomic?
Yeah. Yeah. It's uh
what's the uh what's the old paint they
used to use?
>> Iridium.
>> Yeah.
Um yeah, that's interesting. I mean,
there's a lot of those little moments
that are kind of cool because you see
glimpses. People don't really realize
how involved you were with documenting
UFO personalities. Um you you know you
get to see a lot of colorful
personalities come in and out of uh John
Lear's home uh you know which is really
you know kind of sheds some light on you
know the the figures in this community
but also
you see a small glimpse of your
interview with Oscar Wolf.
>> Oh yeah. You see a little handshake
there.
>> A little handshake. Most people don't
know that you filmed that,
>> right?
>> Because I think if I'm not mistaken,
that was uh Richard Dolan's uh Richard
Dolan was on camera with
>> Osar to do it because he was and is a
thoughtful authority figure. And nobody
knew my face. And so we we were like,
damn, what do we do? We need somebody
who knows [ __ ] who can ask smart
questions cuz I'm I didn't know what to
ask the guy. What a great opportunity.
Yeah.
>> And it was Ruben Langden who set that
all up. And Ruben Langden did the
citizen hearing on disclosure in 2013.
He is the the force behind it. He is the
producer. The citizen hearing a lot of
people, you know, point credit to a
bunch of people for it. No, it was Ruben
[ __ ] Langden. Ruben Langden literally
went bankrupt because of
misappropriation of funds and everything
that was going on. Came to me like a
life raft. Said, "Dude, I need help. I
need a brother. Like we are in a bad
situation. I am losing everything." And
I said, "As long as your past
interactions don't harm me in any way, I
will [ __ ] I got you, bro. But you we
need to literally sign a document that
says none of this [ __ ] will spill
over to me." And you know, I have my
businesses, my life, my livelihoods, all
this stuff. I'm not UFO land can wait.
Ruben Langden is the unsung hero of the
citizen hearing and Oscar Wolf.
So, he is a guy with a story and people
will see that interview online, right?
And it is Richard Dolan because he's a
badass gangster, knows what he's talking
about and is also heartfelt that does
the interview.
>> Yeah. And for those who don't know about
this interview, you should definitely go
check it out. But this is the one that
Danny Sheihin refers to as well about
this gentleman being on his deathbed.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> And, you know, saying that he was at S4.
He spoke he saw an alien. He saw what he
perceived to be some type of
extraterrestrial on the other side of a
glass.
>> Yeah.
>> And um and you know had had Q cards with
questions on him and whatnot like this
whole he went underground at S4. There
was floating UFOs.
>> Not at S4 or I don't I don't recall my
memory. Okay. I don't recall. But let me
tell you something people don't know.
It's the more important part. This has
never been said that I know of. Um, I
maybe I've said it before, but um, what
people don't know, if they don't know, I
I filmed that. What they also don't know
is that he was like on dialysis
or something like that for his kidneys.
That's what was killing him, that he
didn't have very long to live. We're
talking weeks or something. It was told
to us like, "This is the last chance."
And it was like a family member of his
who kind of made it work. His wife
violently did not want him to do this
interview because of her religion.
And what happened was this guy gets up
out of his diialysis, I think it was
diialysis, out of this thing where he
needs a machine. We get him in the room.
He does this interview and goes right
back to the hospital type situation he
was in. So think about this. this guy is
going to gain nothing,
you know, unless he's a plant trying to
confuse it and they're like, "We're
going to hurt your family after you die
if you don't do it." That's always an
option, okay? But I believe from knowing
the guy for this much time and being in
that room that he told it like he
experienced it and knew it and that even
being an older guy with health problems,
he was sharp as a dagger. And I can
attest to that. I tested him. He's sharp
as a dagger. And he went against the
wishes of his most beloved for the
fundamental reason of religion. She was
against it, her religious views. And he
is there and he does the interview.
That's his mic drop.
Then he dies. That is one deathbed
confession that saw the light of day.
Now, I've been in many of those exact
experiences. And some people are not
dead and other people are dead. And yet
it is not appropriate.
Nor did they ask me to put stuff out.
That shit's buried. And and here's why.
Let me just defend myself cuz people
going to be mad right now. If that's if
what I'm saying is true, which it is,
people be mad.
What people might not yet understand
until the words are spoken, and
hopefully they do, is that when somebody
tells you a secret and tells you to keep
it secret, unless you can't anymore,
then you do just that. You you keep it
secret, tell you c a n t can't. Okay?
Because it's not just the person
talking. And to be sorry, I'm going to
bring it out of Dr. Seuss world right
now. I'm be very direct with you.
If people have access to the closest
guarded secret in human history that has
been held back from the American and
global public
since they could hold it back. UFOs,
what they represent, what they're a part
of. If somebody has close proximity to
that, A, you'll never know their name
publicly.
Good try. Never.
B, they will be quiet. They will not be
the ones you expect. And there's a
reason they're put in that position
because they are worthy of your trust.
They are trustworthy.
And usually, if it's military,
they were born into that position
because their fathers were trusted with
this secret. And sometimes their
father's fathers were trusted with a
secret. Now here's the rub.
That person dies.
You know they procreate and you know
that their kin are also in a position of
trust. So you release this
and I get chills,
>> right?
>> Do you understand?
>> Mhm.
>> Does your audience understand?
>> I'm sure they do. So sometimes to tell
secrets you need to keep certain ones,
>> right?
>> Yeah, that's interesting. The the the
nepo situation in the legacy program.
>> What does that word mean? Nepo
>> ne Yeah, nepotism.
>> What does nepotism mean?
>> Nepotism is getting something um
basically based on a relationship.
So you're getting ahead in life.
>> Yeah. But sometimes people are highly
qualified to receive that.
>> Of course. Of course. But but for the
most part, you know,
>> sometimes better than their dads at
acting.
>> Yeah, sometimes. But sometimes, you
know, it's it's it's
>> it doesn't hurt.
>> It's a bit of a derogatory term that
people use.
>> That's what I feel. And I don't think
that's fair.
>> It not always,
>> but sometimes it is.
>> I think so.
>> Okay. You have to live in someone's
shadow is what I say. We say
terrestrially. Sometimes they're big
shoes to fill. We say terrestrially,
right? Yeah, sure.
>> But sometimes people that are doing
that, they're just all they're seeing is
their own big ass shadow thinking it was
their daddy's. And that's the thing I've
noticed. I got a musician friend and his
dad's got a gigantic [ __ ] shadow,
bro. And so this musician guy, you know,
was kind of thought he was living in his
his father's shadow, but indeed he's now
realized, thank God, that it was his own
big ass shadow. And so now you're going
to hear his voice again.
>> Yeah. Nice. Um
Okay.
>> Like, let's go back to UFOs.
>> Well, I want to go back to UFOs.
Certainly want to go back to UFOs. Um
>> am I derailing you?
>> No.
>> Okay.
>> No, I like this. I like the train.
>> Yeah. I like dynamic conversations and
some people
>> But we're not being sporadic, right?
>> I don't know. Who cares?
>> Okay. But I just I hope that, you know,
we can have a logical straightforward
conversation.
>> We can have any type of conversation we
want. Don't worry about it. Whatever
conversation I to to to be quite frank,
>> in the words of um Rick Rubin, the
audience comes last, right?
>> Did he say that?
>> Yeah.
>> What a genius.
>> Because you know, you got to think about
the task at hand. You got to think about
what you're doing, what you're
passionate about, all that stuff. After
you do that,
>> right,
>> if you do that, the audience will love
it hopefully.
>> Uh, but even if they don't, it it has to
mean something to you for you to do it.
>> Rubik's cube, bro.
>> Yeah, he's he's uh he's got some good
thoughts. Um,
>> so, okay. And love the audience, by the
way. It's
>> Yeah, don't be a dick. Be a dick.
>> Not trying to be a dick to the audience.
>> I think they paid for this set, bro.
Unless it was some billionaire. You're
not telling us, Ramsay.
>> No, definitely not.
>> I know.
>> Um,
>> you mean you self-made or
>> you mean Daddy Teal? No.
>> Daddy Teal? No. Hold on. Let me ask you
something.
>> So, your brain that I'm seeing outside
of the closed skiff here,
>> your brain that I have been
>> uh beholding for more
>> than 20 or almost 24 hours. Okay.
>> Like you created this
you you weren't like you through Neo.
You're not a neo baby.
>> Neo a nepo baby.
>> You're a nepo baby. No,
>> might be a neo baby, but not a neo baby.
So all of this is your brain and and
you're going to say and the the team of
people I work with and
>> yeah, most of mine. I'll say most of
mine.
>> It's impressive to see what you've
created. Don't [ __ ] stop.
>> Thank you. And I won't as long as uh my
creative passion keeps getting
fulfilled.
>> Okay.
>> And my my love for being creative is is
renewed, then I will continue being uh
creative and passionate. But as soon as
uh soon as that ends, you got to you got
to change gears.
>> Change gears.
>> Yeah. Like I did, you know, going from
magic to puzzles to this.
>> But you never left that gear behind. So
I've left some gears behind.
>> It might seem that way
>> for you
>> to people.
>> No. No. I I know I know you've never
>> No. To me, it's it's the same
trajectory.
>> Exactly. So these are all manifestations
of a singular thing that all those
things were born from. But here you are
in this skiff now. I love it, dude.
>> But enough about me. This is this is the
pro interviewer who who turning it on me
here.
>> I thought you said we're just talking.
>> We are just talking. Um but I do have a
lot of questions about this movie. Um
I'll
>> let you get to him.
>> One point I mean which you know there's
a lot of footage of Bob Lazar in this
movie as well that I've never seen which
was really interesting.
>> And
you know there's that moment where
you're in the woods with Bob.
>> Mhm. And Bob go and you ask him flat
out, you know, did you have a piece of
115?
>> Yeah.
>> And Bob says, I did.
>> Tell me about that day.
>> Oh [ __ ] Okay. Well, first of all, Bob
said that a bunch already. That that's
nothing new. And I think that's, you
know, funny if people think so. Um Bob's
told you it's it's all over everywhere.
At one point, if you believe Bob Lazar,
he had a piece. And how we know that is
George Knap is a witness to that in that
the the container that the 115 was held
in um was on the mantle of one of the
interviews that George Knap did as like
an Easter egg. It was next to some
aerogel. And there's no secret that Bob
had a piece of 115 at one point, right?
Um he even at one point um I think
George has told this story but at one
point uh they did analysis a cloud
chamber test just to see if Bob Bob was
curious. He's like can I get a reaction
in a cloud chamber test to see if it it
actually does bend a laser. It does bend
light. I mean this is straight out of
that movie with like Val Kilmore um
Genius. Real Genius. Do you remember
that '8s movie?
>> No, I don't.
>> You're welcome.
>> So You're Welcome. Real Genius the
movie. So this is straight out of that.
So Lazar does a test, right? Um it is no
secret that at one time Bazar had
obtained
a piece of 115.
So yeah, in in the movie where I fast
forwarded, there's a lot that the world
will never hear, I don't think, unless
Bob says it. But like there's no secret
in that. So you asked me about that day
though, and that's a can. So let's just
open it. Okay.
So, I'd been filming with Bob a bunch,
but that wasn't easy. We're not going to
get into that.
One day, he says, "Are you coming out or
not?" essentially. And I was like,
"Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll come out to
Michigan. Let's do that." But I didn't
want to ask and then get denied. So, I
really carefully just took my one camera
and I put it underneath all of my
clothes and I [ __ ] went out there and
it's like this really awkward thing and
I'm there. It's late at night and
there's Joy and the pups and we're there
and I'm in the living room. I remember
this and then finally I just said, "Bob,
like why why am I here?"
And he goes, "What do you mean?" And I'm
like, "Are you going to let me now turn
on the camera so that the world can hear
from you and not the [ __ ] about you
from other people?" He goes, of course
that's why we're here. And it was this
weird thing where I had become friends
with him, but I I didn't want to
disrespect that moment. I I wasn't sure
why. It's obvious, I guess, now. So, I
had my camera, my one or two cameras,
and we filmed on that particular trip
you're asking about was like a
breakthrough. It was like he was ready
to throw down for himself. And you have
to rewind the tape, bro. I mean, he had
never talked like he did in that room
with me and John Lear. He had never
asserted himself in that way on camera.
I know there are vehicles not made on
Earth. I know they are made from a
material we cannot duplicate. We cannot
replicate and we never have been able
to. Now, he goes, I was inside one. Now,
I was inside one blah blah blah blah
blah. That had never existed on camera.
I'm not sure it existed in him yet.
>> That the assertiveness, that [ __ ]
pissed-offness. Anybody that knows Bob
knows that he is a [ __ ] fighter. He
is a really strong human, stronger than
people know. But because he's Bob, which
only means someone to someone that knows
him cuz he's Bob,
he doesn't feel the need. He doesn't
feel the need to prove [ __ ] to you.
>> No, he really doesn't care.
>> No, he doesn't care. But you only know
that cuz you know him.
>> So now there I am
and we're we're [ __ ] doing it. Which,
you know, which means like Fourth of
July, we take my [ __ ] cool ass drone
that I brought and we try to explode it,
you know, with like [ __ ] fireworks.
But then
we walk into the woods and you know
woods meaning like on his property there
and this was the day before I left which
is important. We'll get back we'll get
back to that. First whole day I filmed
with him by the way. Um my car just uh
took a [ __ ] that night and it's never to
be retrieved again. I tried for 6
months. So you know that's kind of funny
right? first entire day course at his
labs. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Took a [ __ ] never get it back.
And when I say took a [ __ ] I'll tell
the truth. I think I [ __ ] hit delete.
I was so nervous that night and just
Yeah. Yeah. I deleted it. So there you
go. Truth's out.
>> Nobody asked. So I never had
>> Was that really you or was that
something acting through you?
>> You know, bro, it worked out perfect.
>> It did work out.
>> Yeah. So, we're in the woods
and just real talk, you know, um got a
camera, you know, put the phones way way
way far away. We talked about a lot of
stuff and that's for Bob to talk about,
not for me to talk about, but it was
like an insurance policy, you know, I I
believe you you have to ask him if he
wants to even talk about it. So, there's
nothing that you see in my movie Bazar
Area 51 saucers. you see this sped up if
I recall like I don't think I've watched
the movie since I put it out
>> but that clip and others I've I've put
out that were kind of hit the cutting
room floor as they used to say right but
Bob acknowledging he had 115 he's done
acknowledge that a thousand [ __ ]
times other people have been other
people were there they've all talked
about it that's not news bro
>> but what people should understand is
what happened next because it's real and
it happened and if you don't understand
that you're not seeing reality. What
happened next is I filmed for another
day and we're at his um store call like
it is a laboratory and a store. It was
in Michigan
and I pack up the camera, say goodbye,
get on the plane, get home, I arrive at
Burbank Airport. It's late, really late.
So, I go stay at my mom's place in Enino
and all of a sudden my phone starts
going bang bang bang bang bang bang bang
bang like that just like crazy text. I
[ __ ] told you, Jeremy. It was Gene
Huff. I told you this would happen. I
told you this would happen. And like
George Knapp being like [ __ ] I
told you this would happen,
[ __ ] Cuz they're protective of
Bob. And then there's this guy saying
like, talk loudly.
Talk loudly.
>> Mhm.
>> Bam. get some photos. Photos are of an
FBI raid.
I'm in the bathroom. Like all that stuff
that's real. I didn't make that up for
my movie. And everybody said that.
Everybody said I staged an FBI raid for
my movie. Then they found out it was a
real FBI raid. It was a multi- agency
raid.
Then they said, well, they weren't
looking for 115. Totally unrelated.
Nothing to see here. Move on. Okay.
Except I know that factually to be
true
that that was what they were looking
for.
>> How?
>> You're going to have to ask Bob and then
if he wants to tell you, he'll tell you.
>> Okay.
>> But um essentially
covert
>> cuz that was the second time they raided
Bob's house
>> at least.
>> At least right in New Mexico. They rated
they rated him and the the the the
reason that they gave was like um
shipping
>> of of hazardous materials. However, has
Bob ever told you or Joy ever told you
that the reason they were able to do
that was because they were being doers
and said, "Well, we got this company and
we're shipping all of these things and
we might as well file the paperwork
because I think there's a new law
coming." They were ahead of the curve.
Yeah.
>> And that exposed them to the opportunity
to raid them under that you say, is it
the word?
>> Okay. So then now, so I'll put it this I
am convinced that it was for element
115. It's not a retraction, it's a
refinement. I am convinced and there's
reason for me to be convinced. Now just
talk to Bob about it. See what he wants
to say. But I'll tell you this, they
gritted off every 3 ft of his space.
They were really going through stuff,
put it that way.
They even mirrored his computer
which was very interesting to me and
Bob.
I'll leave it there. So now they mirror
his computer.
Still people are saying I don't want to
believe. I don't want to believe is what
they're really saying. They're saying he
got raided because some chick died
because of some material and this guy
was a client. He might have the client
list. If you talk to anybody in the FBI,
which I called a bunch of friends in the
FBI, and I asked them, "Is this usual?"
Nope. Is this normal? Nope. Is this
protocol? Nope. You just what you do is
you walk in and you say, "Hey, Mr.
Lazar, there was somebody that died from
a super heavy element or not you sorry
died from a a rare element that is toxic
and we see that you know you on your
site you sell this but by the way it's
this tiny little sliver that couldn't
hurt a fly like in these little
collector's packs right that you can buy
anywhere so you call them and you say
can I have the list of your clients and
what exactly what they ordered that are
associated with this federal case and
then Lazar goes of course of course you
can right that's not what happened. They
[ __ ] locked his [ __ ] down with in a
tiny ass town way smaller than your snow
globe. Way smaller. And they locked that
[ __ ] down and they [ __ ] tore it
apart. They went through everything,
mirrored his computer. It's like beyond
overreaction. It was a It was a message.
>> Mhm.
>> It was a message to him because they
knew for [ __ ] sure that like if he ever
did have possession, he would never have
it in Michigan. And you know what I
mean? So So there you are. else. People
still didn't believe,
but there was what they call an
assisting um report of local where
they're assisting federal. And if you
look at that report, what you're going
to find out was the day before and the
day of both his home and his business
had the opportunity
to be surveiled.
Hm. Something happened that day in those
words that didn't make sense until you
play the tape back, you know, like in
your mind. So, so my point is that day
you asked, I just described to you that
day. That's what it was. It was a a
realization moment for all of us, for
me, for George Knap, for Bob. Because
the hilarious thing that you don't see
is um later in the woods in that
footage, I don't think you ever see
this. Um he go I go, "Bob, are you like
worried at all for your like personal
safety?" And and maybe I'll find this
clip now and I could put this out if Bob
says, "Okay." But basically, you know,
he says, "No, I just my life has been
great. It's been smooth sailing. I love
my life. I don't want any disruption. I
just want peace." Um, I think they've
forgotten about me, which is good
because I'm not doing [ __ ] I don't want
to be involved. That was like that
sentiment was recorded. Yeah.
>> At the very end of that in the forest.
I've never put that out. Holy [ __ ] was
he wrong?
>> Was he [ __ ] wrong?
>> And we all who when we love somebody, we
care about them as a friend, we all want
them to have what they want if it's good
for them. And for Lazar, it's peace,
right? So, the worst thing he could do
is let somebody make another movie about
him. It's the worst thing he could do.
Or is it the best thing that he could do
and I'm going with that?
>> Yeah. I think I think you know
this is his final attempt to just be
like, "Here's everything that I'll ever
give you at all. Like, let's get it all
out of the way. Let's go into the base.
I'll reconstruct the base for you, the
ship, everything. Well, I'll tell you
what these people look like. I'll do
this. I'll do that. I'll just give you
everything. That way, you can just leave
me alone.
>> And you know that he's [ __ ] wrong.
>> Yeah.
>> Because it's just going to make people
more hungry.
>> Oh. Uh,
>> come on, bro. You know that's true.
>> Well,
>> I I So, I see it both ways. I do see how
>> Of course you do. He would
once you give it all up, you think to
yourself, well, I can't give you
anymore. Of course, that's going to make
people hungry. Of course, that's going
to stoke the flame of people's
curiosity.
But I also think it's a valiant effort
on his behalf and a very brave step to
take uh to a relive everything uh b dig
it up and let people go through it again
and and c try to go on with his merry
existence
um you know post releasing um a massive
you know sort of project about about his
life. Um,
>> will this be good for him?
>> I wish nothing but that for Bob.
>> Will it be good for him?
>> M
I think Bob knows
that. And this is before the movie comes
out.
>> Yeah, we're going to know by the time
this airs if it was good for him as a
human.
>> Bob's a smart guy. I think he knows
there's a storm coming.
>> There is a storm coming.
>> And um
yeah, I think he knows that. And I think
he's uh you know like we we'll
definitely see what happens. But you
know there is no better antiseptic than
Daylight in a lot of these cases. And
and that's Bob's number one reason for
coming out in the first place in 1989
was
>> the George [ __ ]
>> exactly just put it out there. And I
think that's his way of doing that again
in a way that like also appeases people
who just nag him for more information.
perhaps appeases a lot of the skeptics
out there who had questions about
certain aspects of the story.
>> He doesn't care about that.
>> No, but also, you know, good riddance if
if that's the case and if they're
they'll never be satisfied. But if some
of them, you know, end up if I could say
this, you know, the movie's been out,
people have seen it, but anyone on the
fence anyone on the fence at this point
watches that movie and goes, "Oh, no.
>> I haven't seen it."
>> Yeah. And I don't know. And you will see
it.
>> I know. But anyone on the fence is now,
you know, you've no reason to be on the
fence anymore.
>> Okay, that's cool if the movie does
that. Yeah. But that's my greatest fear
for Bob. Yeah.
>> My fear is that more people will believe
him.
>> Yeah.
>> Because it's true.
>> And my joke is,
>> oh, Bob, look, what if everybody did
believe you? How horrible. That would be
horrible for you because the questions
will never end. I I do hope that he
maintains a sense of um bobness, you
know, in the sense of like he has what
he needs, which is peace. Like I don't
think he gives a flying [ __ ] what you
believe. I know that to be true. And so
I anyway, just
>> look um
>> but all this is in the past because the
movie is already out.
>> Time dilation
>> and uh and it's already out there and
and and Bob's doing well.
>> Yeah,
>> you know, we we can say that because
we're in the future now and Bob's doing
well. Um,
>> I can relate to it in the sense that the
only reason I'm letting this movie come
out
>> is because I believe
>> in this movie you're talking about your
movie.
>> Yeah. No, I'm talking about the movie
about me.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> Right. That Michael made.
>> Sure.
>> So, I'm just um I think the reason to do
it is so that um it's all out there.
It's honest. It will leave people with
big questions and they should be asking
those questions.
>> Well, it's not all out there,
>> right?
>> You did hold some cards close to your
chest and
>> one card.
>> Well, there's a few.
>> Okay.
>> I want Yeah. Well, I want to get to that
as well. Um,
obviously the culmination
and the pinnacle sort of moment, the the
the critical mass of this movie, the
where where it ends up peaking is you
dig up this lab, this this USB key,
>> you plug it into your laptop. Now,
you're sitting
in some abandoned park. You crack open
the laptop.
>> I remember. And now we get to see, and
here's the interesting part, too. This
is a little subtlety to, you know, how
guarded you are about this information.
We're only seeing an over-the-shoulder
view from the C. We're not seeing the
actual footage. Um, you didn't, I'm
assume, give access to that footage to
anyone, which is why you're there
showing it on camera on your laptop
versus
>> But you're wrong. You you do see some
footage in the movie. You just forgot.
>> Oh, you see the whole footage? I thought
it was just cropped in sort of
>> No, no, you see some some You see some
glimpses.
>> You see the footage, but
>> And it's not about the footage.
>> Yeah, but you don't do you see the
actual file.
>> Yeah. Yeah. You see you see clips of
like for Let me give you an example.
Okay. Because um
>> Oh, yes, you do. Okay. I'm remembering
now. My bad. because a lot of it was
like sort of over the shoulder, but then
there are some things he puts.
>> I think he goes back in and it gives you
what you think you want,
>> right? So, okay, let me start this
again. You're at the park bench.
>> You crack open the laptop. You put the
USB key in. Now, we're seeing this
massive trove
of files that you've been collecting.
Uh, all sorts of very interesting file
names. I must have paused it 12 times to
just look at the names of the files. Did
you notice how I am am dyslexic and
misspelled the word three times?
>> I did not.
>> Well, anyway, I did. I'm like, you know,
and but the funny thing was is no, don't
change anything. It has to be true. And
and and so, yes, continue. I'm with you.
I'm remembering it.
>> Um, a lot of very intriguing footage.
Now, my question to you is,
does this footage also come out when
this movie does?
>> Oh, weird question. Hold on. Let me wrap
my brain around that for a second.
No.
>> Okay.
>> Because
some of it So, first of all, we're
talking about footage, so we've missed
the mark. So, let's
>> No, I want I want to talk about the
footage first.
>> Okay. So, the footage.
>> Yeah. You should have recognized some of
it already.
>> I have. Yeah.
>> Okay. So, that tells you that some of it
was worthy of public discourse.
>> You would see nothing that would harm
national security even in especially in
a movie.
>> Y
>> Okay. Will more full versions of some of
what you've seen come out? Yeah. Unless
I'm [ __ ] stopped.
>> Mhm. Okay. That is my intent as a
journalist with George is to put out
everything we can
>> because there's some interesting stuff
there obviously.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Oh yeah. Oh but part of this is a shield
like I'm trying to practice journalism
in America. I have been very clear with
every agency of concern that as
journalists we believe we are living
under the the first amendment right and
we also believe that we have been pretty
trusted because we haven't [ __ ] up and
we don't intend to and that we have a
methodical multi-year process not just
to protect sources which is the a number
one things protect the source especially
when they do not but it is also like
protect America but it's also like the
truth [ __ ] matters and that's our
duty as journal journalists. So, George
and I did make a decision and you
actually got to see the moment that
decision was made. That was real. That
happened just like you saw it and we
made that decision. So, yes, Chris
Ramsey, of course, after the movie comes
out,
whatever you had glimpses of, if we can
make sure that it's um worthy of public
debate,
>> Yeah.
>> then as much there is of that will come
out. But you're seeing the tip of an
iceberg,
>> of course.
>> But I want you to know that. I want
everybody to know that because I need to
make sure everybody believes that I live
in America under the First Amendment
being a journalism uh being in
journalism because um it's not just
videos that are important.
>> Nope. There's also a text file that I
thought was really important as well.
>> Oh [ __ ] You paused the screen, didn't
you? Oh yeah.
>> Oh [ __ ] I knew people were going to do
that.
>> Yeah. And and there's a there's a note
on the bottom of that uh shot as well,
>> which is say
>> um I forget what it says, but it's
something like to be discussed or or
>> Okay. I don't know what you're talking
about. You're talking about at the
beginning where um I got a whole [ __ ]
treasure trove from
>> No, no, that I saw cuz uh from the Los
Alamo stuff. I saw John B. Alexander's
name on there,
>> right? Cuz he highlighted to make sure I
saw it.
>> Yeah.
>> But if you look at those documents, um
understand the premise.
>> Sure. I get stuff all the time. Yeah.
And I am not qualified as my lawyer
would say to understand its value or not
value um sensitivity. So I have to take
time to make sure that I do no harm.
Right? That happens all the time to me.
I I have become a guy that people do
that. Now when a package comes torn, it
makes me wonder. So I I have to verify
that everything is exactly as is because
then that just means it got torn in the
way there or it's been read and by who?
By our government who is our you know
who it's our government or by an
adversarial government. Right. So there
we go. I get a package. Now this is from
the person who is head of cyber security
at Los Alamos National Laboratory. when
they died,
um, his son mailed something to me and
that's what you see at a beginning early
scene in the movie and that that's real.
>> Yeah. The aerial anomalies and
>> Mhm.
>> atmospheric anomalies was one tiny
little file thing tucked away which is
what the old schoolers used to do is
they took their UFO files and used to
call them atmospheric anomalies which is
pretty cool.
>> Yeah. What uh Howard Menzel would call.
>> Yeah. Sure. But anyway, so then you're
talking about something else that I am
not tracking that was in the movie
because I think you missed something.
>> Well, I'm talking about at the end
there's another file,
>> right? Was it kind of like gold or was
it kind of like gold paper? Yep.
>> Yeah. Did you read the words? Oh, yeah.
Okay. Talk.
>> And um it's it's it's
alluding to a cleanup.
>> Yes, sir.
>> Of an of alien bodies.
>> Uh alien bio. I'm not sure what it said.
Didn't say it. I didn't say bodies.
>> No. No. Biosynthetic organisms.
>> Were the exact words. There's a word in
there that was really tripping me out.
>> Yeah. Symbiotic.
>> Symbiotic. That's right. Yeah. They were
afraid that the aliens that the bio
symbiotic alien whatever had infiltrated
the local population,
>> which
is inc is such a sci-fi thing to read.
>> What does a symbiotic relationship mean?
>> Yeah. You get something and you give in
return and you're both kind of um you're
both getting something out of the
relationship.
>> It's that thing that goes into the
grasshopper I think and takes over its
brain and makes it go drown.
>> That's not symbiotic. No, that's
parasitic.
>> Oh, thank God.
>> Yeah. I would say symbiotic would be
more like the hippopotamus and those
little birds that live on its back where
they're both benefiting.
>> Mutually beneficial for survival.
>> That's right.
>> Is that right? If we looked at
dictionary.
>> Yes. Yeah, that would be accurate.
>> Thank god.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Um, so that what I also
found interesting is that there's phone
numbers on the bottom of that. Did you
mean to not redact that?
>> Well, we redacted other things.
>> You redacted the names.
>> Yeah. Well, those phone numbers must be
okay then.
>> Okay.
>> People might want to call them if they
still exist.
>> I'll call them.
>> But you always hold something back as a
magician.
>> Sure.
>> And you do that for two reasons.
>> To sniff out [ __ ]
>> and as your right or usually your right
punch. or sometimes your left hook
because the or an uppercut, something
you don't see coming, right? So the jab
puts people at distance and everybody
knows this bomb is coming. But then the
other one's the hook or the uppercut.
You hide those a little bit because they
they have so many knockouts from those,
right? So, as a journalist, you always
keep stuff to one find out who's going
to come to you with [ __ ] after like
names associated with those phone
numbers.
>> Or that's your uppercut or left hook,
the knockouts.
>> Can I can I grab that screen grab real
quick?
>> Yeah. I mean, it's out.
>> I want to uh
>> by the time this talk is it's out.
>> That's true.
>> Yeah, you can read away.
>> I want to I'll take a second here.
Because of time dilation, I'm going to
put this phone this way so no one ever
knows now if the clocks are accurate.
>> Uh, let me go
>> cuz that clock's supposed to keep you
real. But I don't trust that clock.
>> Oh, well, you can trust it.
>> Really?
>> Yep. That's why it's there. Gives people
a reference to when these conversations
happened. Just like the Bob Lazar
conversation I had recently. People will
see on that if they, you know, watch
that. Wow.
>> If they look at the clock and pay
attention, they know when that
conversation happened. It was It was uh
over a year ago. Um all right, let's get
to there. I'm I'm fast forwarding.
>> Take your time
>> through your movie now.
The skiff. Look at this place, man.
>> I think there's sodium penithol in this.
Um
>> not enough.
>> And 115.
>> Not enough, apparently.
No, I'm being straightforward, right?
I'm gonna answer your question. Yeah,
you are. If if I don't, just stop me as
a friend and be like, "Dude, answer my
question."
>> Yeah, I will. Um, and I trust you will.
No, you're doing a good job. Sorry, this
is taking a second here.
>> I hate interviews where you ask somebody
something they don't answer.
>> What's uh
who is your most evasive interview?
While I pull this up,
>> I mean, it was the first two years of
filming John Lear was the most evasive
interview. Okay. But who's the most
evasive interview of somebody of
somebody credible who you believe to be
credible?
>> Well, I believe John Leer was credible
at being John Leer.
>> Yeah. Okay. That doesn't that doesn't go
very far.
>> Well, I'm trying to really think here.
Um
>> like would you say would it be a
politician?
>> They're not public. So, so the Yeah. The
interviews that are the most evasive are
like my everyday. I eat them for
breakfast, lunch, and dinner. I call
people who are in the intelligence
community and they have a job to do and
sometimes they're trying to get dirt on
me so that they can manipulate that
later. And also sometimes people just
have a duty, you know, but the most
evasive are like when an intelligence
agent calls me up with badge contact and
they tell me they're going to do
something really great for UFOs. They're
going to find the truth and then you
know 9 months into these conversations
my lawyer is like, "Do not talk with
that agency." And then 9 months into
that when I told my lawyer, "Oh, [ __ ]
no. I'm going to talk to him because I
want to [ __ ] find out what's going on
if I, you know, don't get to the last."
It's when they try to entrap me with
false information to see where I put it.
That's the most evasive conversation cuz
they're being evasive.
>> Feels like uh feels like you got to be a
magician just to navigate this
territory.
>> [ __ ] dude. I hope I'm doing okay. All
right. Got it here. So, EPA form
2070-12, right? Attached. EPA. What does
that stand for?
>> Environmental Protection Act maybe.
>> Whoa.
>> I'm not sure. People are better acronyms
than me.
>> Cost estimate attached.
>> Yes.
um proposed activities.
A site investigation SI should be
undertaken to determine alien inorganic
alien inorganic compounds or other
biochemicals
have been disposed of at this site. and
to determine the presence and or extent
of any soil
and groundwater contamination that may
be the result of materials disposed of
at this site. Local residents should be
checked for evidence that they are being
symbiotically manipulated by surviving
aliens.
That sounds like something out of a bad
science fiction novel. Like it's crazy.
>> Exactly.
>> The word aliens is used so flippantly
here. It's not
>> biologicals.
It's not, you know, extra tempestrial.
It's nothing. It's aliens in lower caps.
In lower case,
>> what year would that have been? Cur
curiously, if people probably figure
that one out like the online sleuths,
what year? Right. I'm not asking you.
I'm I'm I'm saying
>> Yeah. I'm trying to figure it out.
>> I'm saying what you're doing by allowing
that piece of paper to be shown
>> is you're saying help. You're saying so
did you look at the file structures?
There were some that were like high
confidence or verified UAP. There was a
bunch of names in there. So this one
I have and George has for many many
years. We got to a point where obviously
we believe at least that is worthy of
public discourse. I can confidently say
at this time that that did not get
transmitted
through unsecure fashions. Okay. So
>> a document like that would come in
>> that's an official document
>> like it would be received in a skiff
>> on a certain type of line to get it in
from a confidential. I'm going to say
the word with a big C is confidential
because I'm not qualified to say the
other C word confidential into another
confidential area. You reading between
the lines? Yeah. Okay. So there we are.
And then I know that there was a
reaction
uh in that room
>> and I obviously somebody thought that
fake or not fake that it was worthy of
possibly
um removing that from that confidential
place
where it comes to a journalist. So
that's a big risk to take for [ __ ]
>> Yeah, that's um that's a crime
>> here. Now the other side of the Yes, it
is a crime. The other side of the coin,
but not by me.
>> Sure. No. No.
>> But that's a big risk.
>> But that's a big risk.
>> That's a crime. Absolutely. It doesn't
matter what that is.
>> No, you you smuggled something out of a
skiff.
>> So that's real. Now the other side of
the coin is I also know from personal
experience not in this case because uh
the duration of which I sit on material
and bullet test it and go as far as I
can and then I can't go any further
without compromising things. So I get to
a point where I have to stop. Okay.
The other side of that coin is that
I also know not a prank. I also know
that there is intentional disinformation
given to real actual unknowing people in
that confidential setting
>> passage material.
>> Okay, there we go. So for your audience
and that that is also real.
This is not that right. This is not
passage material. So now I am spinning.
I'm spinning, right? And I'm like,
"Okay, this is not passage material, but
that's two on the nose. What's going on?
I don't understand." You imagine that's
one page out of many, right? You'd
imagine that there's traceable things
like bank account numbers to black
programs. You'd imagine. So, if I
imagined that,
>> so this is not the only piece of paper
that was
>> No.
>> Okay. There's a whole other set of files
attached to that
>> allegedly. And is that is that what
we're seeing at the end of this frame
here? Is that like all these other
biologics
that are in this folder? Right. So
there's quite a few. Yeah.
>> Cash number four.
>> Wow.
>> Cash number four.
>> Mhm.
>> So as time progresses,
you never revisit
a cash unless you have to. Okay.
Um,
so as you add to caches,
um, your files grow bigger, right? I So
I think I have a little fear in me right
now. So I'm just I'm I'm not stuttering.
I'm trying not to stutter. So I'm like
trying to speak
>> thoughtfully. And that's hard for me
sometimes. What you see is what you get,
dude. From the heart to the mouth. No
filter. But I'm I'm trying to put a
little filter here. So
your core question is maybe why is that
in the movie? For what purpose? And the
other core question is probably do you
trust it? Am I accurate? Are those two
important questions to you?
>> Yeah, I those are both things I'm
curious about.
>> Okay. So,
I trust that that is
a memo
that was never supposed to be in public
domain. I trust that
for whatever that means that I know
I allowed it
to be in the movie because I think it is
worthy of public discourse
and investigation.
And I have reached my limit
for now.
And I am hoping that with the tiny bit
that is there,
we're going to learn what's true and not
true about that page.
>> Is this the biggest
release in your opinion
that you've been a part of this
particular document here? Do you think?
>> I have not been a part of the release of
that document. You all you see is a page
on a movie.
>> Yes. But if this document were to be
released,
>> if this document were to find itself
>> No,
>> no,
>> no, no. There's a lot about to happen.
>> Really?
>> Yeah. Um, and not not just I'm not
talking about just me and George Knap,
you know, that there's when when I say
there is an army of whistleblowers
ready to come forward. I went on the
news and I said there are three
firsthand people willing to raise their
hands. Now, we can debate all day what
first 10 means, but when I say there's
an army of whistleblowers,
>> that's to me an army is is more than 12.
It's more than 24. It's, you know, it's
more than 36.
>> Um,
>> I'm not that's not that's not an that is
a true statement. That is a factual
statement. So, is this the bigot? No.
This is just a piece of paper that
requires participation
with magic with a K.
Does that answer your question?
>> Yeah, it does. Yeah, thanks for sharing
that. I mean, that's obviously going to
be,
you know, that just to like get off that
last document before we move on.
>> [ __ ]
>> It's one of those to me it's one of
those things that like, you know, those
old MJ12 documents,
>> those that just read like Yeah. They're,
you know, the Psalm one.
>> Oh, let me back up. Yeah. It's [ __ ]
absurd.
>> Absolutely.
>> Yes. It's silly.
>> Mhm. Yeah, it's silly. It's whimsical.
The whole,
>> you know, symbiosis thing. So weird. I
don't even know what to make of that.
>> Where I live in California, there are
people who've spent 30 years plus
running companies for disposal,
aerospace disposal.
And if you were to infiltrate their
ranks,
you would find out that it is a known
thing
that there are what or they'll call them
organic and inorganic compounds that
have to be driven. What's an inorganic
compound
that can
act as like some symbiotic
>> Mhm. have a symbiotic relationship with
humans.
>> What do you know about carbon based life
verse other forms of life?
>> Right. But I mean, but but even even
other forms of life is still organic.
>> Um cybernetic,
>> you know, inorganic. So you're think
you're think you're thinking synthetic
like some type of like
>> this is above my pay grade, but I'll
I'll say this
>> just just we're speculating.
>> Okay. Oh, speculating
>> like what are we talking about? AI robot
aliens.
>> Okay, so um there how the theory goes is
that
just as we print liver, heart cells,
organs in space, which we do.
>> Mhm.
>> Um
you can print
biologics.
So cybernetic, if people have a
dictionary because I don't know for
sure, but cybernetic would be this idea
of an um like an organic compound
that at its core is like a robot, right?
So an artificial intelligence within a
biological bag, right?
>> So the idea with like the grays or
whatever, you know, people often say, so
they're like basically manufactured
beings, right? And they're cybernetic.
So they're they're they're organic
>> to me. Cybernetic means like wires and
stuff because
>> Oh, maybe it does
>> because they're saying inorganic.
>> Well, that's different. We're getting to
that. But you asked
>> because inorganic means
>> Well, I don't know.
>> Not an organism.
>> Look, you do the math. What I'm telling
you is that there are people that
transport from California in and I've
seen them these buildings that um are
nondescript and they have like high
security and you would never know what
goes on in those buildings um unless you
get people that go inside and those
people that go inside in full hazmat
suits, right? Sometimes they will do a
cleanup and they will package it up and
now depending on its classification they
will then create lists and the lists if
it's unclassified material it's a very
specific type of thing 3.3%
this 3.4% 4% that I mean everything's
listed. Totally different protocol of
classification for other stuff. If
something is you know top secret or
above as we commonly know it um totally
different protocol but either way that
shit's going inside of trucks it is
going to often times most often than not
um Dougway where they have a special
burner and that burner is a non um what
is it called? Uh like it it doesn't
combustion. No. Um high like super hot,
right?
>> Um what it does is it's a non like where
it permeates out, whatever the word is.
Um
>> um there there's a word a really good
word and it basically means that it
doesn't leave that containment. Okay.
>> So even to the point where you crush up
the carbon filters and just swallow
everything
>> like Yeah. So it swallows everything. So
it's nonpermeating. It doesn't go out.
Right. And you know, you talk to people
who have done this for their lives and
they're part of this little club and
they'll walk in with like a full-on
hazmat and where's the bathroom? I mean,
it's like right out of a comedy, right?
Like where's the bathroom? And then like
people inside, they don't see the
sunlight a lot in a lot of ways. You
know, they're they're really But if
you're in there, you must be on the
level cuz if you're on the level, you
wouldn't be if you weren't on the level,
you wouldn't be in there. And then
they're showing you a [ __ ] sphere
that's [ __ ] just hovering and you're
like, "How does that happen?" You know
what I mean? How does that Whoa, that's
pretty cool. Where's the bathroom again?
But they just can't stop. They They get
it off their chest. They can't stop
because they don't have a lot of people
to talk to that are new faces, right?
>> So then you you collect this stuff and
then you take it out, let's say, to Doug
Way, um the town. there's this burner
out there and you got a list that
doesn't say [ __ ] because it's, you know,
cuz of classification and you just, you
know, you wouldn't really know tons of,
you know, all the chemicals you deal
with, you know, organic and inorganic
compounds, which we'll figure out later.
And you take it and I'd be like, well,
so what's the deal? What's the deal if
it's a known secret that you are moving
what you're saying are alien organic and
inorganic compounds? We're not talking
like rocket fuel that needs to be like,
you know, perfectly fixed and, you know,
run off from this or that. We're talking
aliens here. Okay. So, if that was true,
right, then I'd be like, like, how do
you know? Like, how do you know that
that is true? And somebody would say
something like and and I'm like, why?
Like, why is it so harmful other than I
get secrecy, but that's not what you're
doing. You're doing destruction. So,
like, why? And they would say something
exactly like
because of its ability
to alter human DNA.
And I would be like in a barber shop
getting a haircut being like what?
>> Um c can you say that one more time so I
can verbatim understand that? Because of
its ability to alter human DNA.
>> Kind of like an RNA thing.
>> I don't know, dude. I'm not a [ __ ]
smart pants guy. not smart pants guy.
So, um, all that to say is that even
within these circles of trust, there is
this known thing that humans can't keep
their [ __ ] mouths shut. And human
beings are the greatest leak to security
than any document, photo, image, video.
It's always human beings. And there
there are consequences.
There are consequences to um speaking
outside of school and sometimes they're
covert, sometimes they're overt,
sometimes they're inert or they appear
to be, but there are consequences and
sometimes the consequence is just the
pain you feel that the crushing weight
of what you know to be true and can't
say is going to destroy and snap your
legs and destroy your humanity. And I've
seen that pain in people's eyes. And
it's not a way to live, man. You cannot
live. You're not free. You don't have
freedom of thought. You don't have
freedom of thought because you don't
have freedom of of speech. Without
freedom of speech, you can't have
freedom of thought. And that's what's at
stake with the UFO game.
>> All right, Jeremy. Thank you. We're
going to answer some questions from the
audience.
>> Easy question.
>> All right. This is uh it's part of the
membership here. If you join and become
a member, one of the many perks that you
get is you're uh able to potentially
have one of your questions answered by
our guests, which we post in the
Discord, and then you can go see that.
So, the first one here,
um, yeah, I mean, I don't know how
you're going to answer this one, but
this is a
>> Neither do I because I don't know the
question.
>> It's a good question.
>> The [ __ ] Oh,
>> by Slay says, "What would be the most
smoking gun evidence you would like to
release but can't?"
>> It's a great [ __ ] Did you time that
question like Zar?
>> I did.
>> Did you time that?
>> No.
>> Okay, then I finally get to do my joke
on Chris Ramsay, which he'll only be the
only one really that understands. All
cards on the table, [ __ ]
I'm gonna I'm gonna risk a Bob Lazar
migraine by taking my glasses off. I
just it's going to [ __ ] me, but the
lights are bright in this skiff.
Okay, no armor. What would be the most
smoking gun evidence you would like to
release but can't? Um, that would be
clear as day UAP filmed by satellite
that were doing reconnaissance on
adversarial and foreign nations assets.
And I don't I do not have that. In fact,
I have nothing. And I've made sure of
that. I have nothing. Nothing at home,
nothing on my phone, nothing on my
computers. I have nothing. However, I
would love I would love that smoking gun
evidence, which does exist. I have seen
it. So have other people that you know.
And I'm not talking about one piece of
footage. I'm talking about a lot of
footage. But it is not mine to share.
>> What does it feature? Does it feature a
disc, a tic tac, a tune?
>> Talk about a lot of different footage.
Chris,
>> tell me. I We're not I don't want to
know about where it is. I don't want to
know about any. I want to know what is
on these videos. Is it a triangle?
>> There are hundreds.
>> Tell me one.
>> Well, I just did.
>> You said hundreds. Give me one.
>> No, there I But I did before that. So, I
told you satellite footage or maybe I'm
going back in time of of of two discs
going by an adversarial nation's ship.
Submarines are way more sensitive by the
way position.
>> These are discs, silver discs.
>> They appear they appear to be lenticular
in nature.
>> Okay.
>> Not just orbs, not circular, but I mean,
look, no one piece I learned this a long
time ago. George Knap and I released
absolute scientific evidence of
instantaneous motion. It was the first
time in your life and mine and the
worlds that publicly there's a piece of
footage that has precedent, has origin,
it has uh pedigree, and it is military
filmed, and it shows you instantaneous
motion. Now, I could look, I could be
wrong one day, and I'm trying I'm I'm
asking the public to bullet test that
theory because our own government
believed that that is a display of
instantaneous motion. That's the piece
that definitely
they, you know, whoever the controllers
didn't want out. The others were like
balloon tests. Here's this. Here's that.
Here's this. Here's that. That one is
important. I think it will be seen that
way in history. Or I'm wrong. And guess
what? If I'm wrong, so was our entire
intelligence community within the United
States. And so I feel like I've put
pretty good steps forward for people,
man. you know, um, no one piece of
footage has ever convinced me. It's the
crushing weight of the accumulative
footage, and I hope the public gets to
see more and better.
>> I'm going to pin you down on this. Okay.
>> I want I want to know more about these
uh this footage that you that you allude
to. I've heard people like Lu Alazand
talk about footage. I've heard people in
Congress mention it recently that
they've seen footage. What's on Give me
five examples.
>> Well, I've given you 13. Well, I want I
want like clear physically given the
public with George Knap 13 assets that
you were never supposed to see.
>> But you said clear as day. Those aren't
clear as day.
>> Clear as day. Okay. So, let's split
another hair. So, clear as day.
>> Clear as day to me is Independence Day.
Like coming out of the clouds. That's
clear as day.
>> I'll promise you this. If I ever saw,
obtained, and was able to release clear
as day, Independence Day, hilarious um
piece of footage.
>> And even if it's not clear as day, I
would release it. George Nap would
release it. We'd release it.
>> I know that, but I just want to know
details like, okay, cuz like what have I
seen?
>> Because the I for me, it's more about
like what the craft looks like because,
you know, I get that there's sensitive
areas and then you can't give that up.
Fine. I'm resigned to being very okay
with, you know, not,
you know, endangering people's lives by
putting out information. Fine.
You said you've seen footage. That is
very clear.
>> Fact.
>> I want to know, do you see markings on
these craft? Is it that clear?
>> No. No markings that I ever seen.
>> Okay. Are are you referring to craft
that are of the triangular nature?
>> Well, yeah, sure. There are there's
triangles, there's tic tacs, there's
ovals, there's spheres,
>> and that you've seen.
>> Yes.
>> You've seen clear
>> 100%.
>> How clear are we talking? Are we are we
talking?
>> Are we talking iPhone footage?
>> Okay.
>> Are we like that clear? Or is it all IR
stuff?
>> Let's split another hair. Okay.
>> So, first of all, you keep saying craft.
>> Yeah.
>> I don't [ __ ] know that's true.
>> Sure. Fine. Fair.
>> No. No. very fair because um
>> you will see um I hope you will see uh
all five observables.
>> Okay,
>> I showed you one. George and I've shown
you one.
>> Clear as [ __ ] day. Let's let people
dissect that first and make sure it is.
>> Okay. Um
military footage is always going to be
through military assets. Those assets
are going to be at best full motion
video. Full motion video is the overlay
of a bunch of types of sensors where
then it creates for you night or day
>> a clear full highresolution
image. Example, the Mosul orb.
>> Yes, that's a great high definition
image,
>> right? Well, okay. So, that's your
barometer. So, now I'm understanding
your phone.
>> It has color. It has texture. It has
depth.
>> Yeah. So, you've got thermal, which is
heat. It's sensing the heat. You have I
Well, it's IR, but like you think of
like green. So, you think about through
Yeah.
>> So, that's like amplification of light,
a little bit of heat.
>> And then you've got full motion video
>> and then you have sometimes satellites
which take something like full motion
video. So, you would say that's clear as
day because the capability satellite to
come in and like read a Coke can they
used to say in the '8s? Sure. Okay. So
that exists and
so what you're looking for is full
motion video.
>> There's this there's this video. Sorry
to interrupt you, but there's this video
of and this gets brought up a lot in
these discussions and these debates
>> coming in from space.
>> No, there's this video of a jet sort of
uh fending off a Russian attack or
something, right? And it's like blasting
something, but it's so clear. It's like
the clearest 4K footage you can see. And
we're seeing this from an airplane. Wow.
And yet the footage that we get is like
uh
>> why do why do you think that is? Can you
say the words I immaculate constellation
with me?
>> Sure. Yeah.
>> Okay. So why do you think that is?
>> Because of immaculate constellation.
>> I
>> I'm [ __ ] with you right now.
>> I I don't know. I don't know why. And
that's part of the question is like why
are we getting this grainy infrared, you
know, FMV when there exists footage like
this? There should be.
>> Let me walk you through it. It's real
[ __ ] simple. Okay. So
once thing So I I get calls I I got a
call for I need to walk you through it
if you want to know the answer.
>> I absolutely do.
>> Here we go. Um so I get calls from kids
and they're their one sole job is to
look at live feeds of Reaper drones and
they work at I don't know Wright
Patterson let's say it's a good place
generic. They do a lot of that there.
And these kids will say to me, "Holy
[ __ ] um, you're so reachable." And I'm
like, "Yeah, that's the point." And
they're like, "Well, check it out. Um,
first time in my career, I know I'm
young, but like, you know, for 10 years
I've been, you know, had this job and
this is the first time in 10 years when
we saw clear as day
discs, UFOs
and they were doing this crazy [ __ ]
[ __ ] and there was a whole bunch of them
and we we don't know how to classify
them. What do you write?
So, we debated inside of this skiff for
3 4 hours. We finally come up with the
designation and we're writing it down
and we just want to replay it one more
time. And for the first time in 10
years, you normally can go back in
10-minute chunks. 10-minute chunks.
10-minute chunks. Poof. It's not there.
This is real call
>> in real time.
>> Almost real time. I go back to thinking
what Matthew Brown said. if he's telling
us the way it is and if he's right which
are two different things. The way it is
is he understand if he's right and he
said that we now have sophisticated ways
this is the smallest thing he said to
extract that data
>> right
>> so that it does right now I'm going to
answer your question but go with me here
I'm going to give you one more example
real world so during the height of the
um drone incursions on the east coast
there is a sensitive
critical infrastructure
facility that has to do with energy.
And I got word that there was lifting
out of the water in a bay with cameras
near this facility that were so high
definition that it's like perfect
footage cuz you need security at this
facility
and a pyramid comes up pyramid by
triangular by angle of observation.
Pyramid in shape.
>> Okay. like a like a tetrahedron.
>> It lifts
>> three sided pyramid
>> lifts up out of the water,
rotates, I think that's 90°,
goes over this base and hovers for maybe
10 hours.
>> Whoa.
>> Goes back goes into the water and
there's what's called the honey well
system. Okay. at this that is used by
department of energy and then the honey
well system sits this file and it's like
burning a hole in the brain of a num a
number of people remember during the
height of all this. So George and I we
contact FBI because they we see in the
papers they they're being stonewalled
and we say look we have an individual
who knows that you're being stonewalled
and thinks you need something.
this person's in agreement that they
trust me and George, so we better not
[ __ ] this up. If there's no
repercussions, he wants to do the right
thing for America. Then you guys in the
FBI, can we do this dance? And finally,
it's like, yes, we can do this dance.
And the second that they said, yes, we
can do this dance. And I go for this
dance to be done. And this is like
>> high high trust
>> that I have.
>> Yeah. with somebody I I care about and
love.
>> Understood.
>> Okay.
When the agreement is made
that footage is doesn't go missing. It's
taken from that system
and I just found out
by the do.
So think about that. I'm setting you up
for your answer now. Okay? Think about
it.
So, where does all why are we not seeing
the good footage is your basic question.
Everybody wants to know that. Why are we
not seeing the full motion video?
Satellite full motion. That's part of
it. Full motion video. What you're
looking for is FMV, full motion video
from a satellite. Highfidelity you call
it.
Color, day or night, doesn't matter.
Color clear.
A craft. Let's say a craft.
Why don't you see it? Well, George and I
have given you 13 assets. What's
different about those 13 assets?
The number of people that have access to
those 13 assets or whatever
is very small for most of it, but it
gets bigger and bigger
>> when things get when products get
delivered in search of answers outside
of the intelligence community.
>> Sure. But that highfidelity [ __ ] how
many people do you think not only a have
visual access to it, B would ever break
their oath about [ __ ] anything.
Now we're getting a small population.
>> Mhm.
>> C have cause to break it. Smaller.
D thinks about breaking it.
And finally, what comes after D?
a [ __ ]
e
takes the risk
personally
to give that to a journalist who never
[ __ ] asked for it. Now we're talking
about
almost nobody.
>> Yeah. One person.
>> So why aren't you seeing it, Chris?
>> Because the pool is tiny. Unless there's
some mandate to be honest. Now, why
would there ever be a mandate to be
honest about UFOs? Because after that,
>> all we need is one, man. It feels like
>> No, no, but you're wrong.
>> 5 hour video of a pyramid floating over
the Department of Energy.
>> That's just ours.
>> I mean, that's ours.
>> No, that's what I'm like, dude. There
are so many ways to puncture the truth.
>> Oh, I see it.
>> It doesn't matter what you do. I I'm
saying to everybody I've never solicited
in my life. I'm telling everybody, don't
do it.
>> There's other ways the truth can come
out. We don't need our government and
our military to figure out the truth.
They don't [ __ ] know the truth.
>> Yeah.
>> And that's the that's the bottom line.
Bottom line is what do you tell people
if you don't know? And what if
>> That's true. Yeah.
>> What if you kick a sleeping dog? What
happens then? What does the dog do to
you?
>> Yeah. Bites you.
>> Did that answer your question?
>> Pretty much.
>> Okay.
>> In a way. Not I'm not satisfied, but it
answered my question. Well, you don't
you don't Chris, you don't Okay, here we
go. You don't see it because there's so
many limited people that actually have
access to that that have motivation.
Then will
>> No, I know. And you would you eloquently
answered that question. I find myself
frustrated regardless of the answer.
>> Well, join the [ __ ] club.
>> I know. Um I'm not even that that
frustrated. I'm vocalizing the
frustration of people, you know, who
have come before me. Um I'm actually I'm
just happy to talk about it to be
honest. Like a story like that,
especially with a floating pyramid. I
mean, sure, seeing the actual thing
would like rock my world, but a story
like that for me kind of has the same
effect. I go, "Oh my god." Like that is
>> Chris, when people see UFOs for
themselves, undeniably, does it rock
their world?
>> I would think so.
>> Sometimes it really doesn't, Chris.
>> Yeah. Well, sometimes it does.
>> Okay, fair enough. Touche, as they say
in sword fighting.
>> Um,
okay. Okay. Okay. Oh, this is a really
good question by Kane. Kazane. Cool
name, Kazane.
>> Thank your mama and papa.
God, man, you make me whenever I see
[ __ ] you got, it makes me want one.
>> I'll give you the link.
>> What the heck?
>> Do you feel there's any information that
you or George have kept from each other?
Or is it all full transparency?
>> We keep stuff from each other to protect
one another um seldomly but assuredly.
Cool. Interesting. I I would love to I
would love to ask George that question
one day, too. See if he has the same
answer. He goes, "No, of course not."
Because of an open book. No. No. I I I
would assume he does, too.
>> You might say that.
>> Um, this is one we kind of answered
during the podcast, but I thought it was
>> with a kick with a quick sand for some
someone once said to me.
>> This is by TH Perry.
They literally say to you sometimes like
some of the intel guys when they're
working against you. They warn you
before and they say hollow mirrors man.
Nothing is as it appears.
>> How you doing?
>> I mean I'm just like [ __ ]
>> What do you do with that man? Okay go
ahead.
>> Um what do you think really happened to
General Mccasand th Perry? Okay, now
we're getting into speculative territory
because
>> I I know that you can't answer that
because you have no idea.
>> Um, but
>> what's your gut say?
>> Well, that he's missing.
>> Yeah.
>> Um,
something bad happened to him.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> If you mean by being murdered bad? Yes.
I I believe he was murdered. I I do. Um,
and I have cause to believe that.
>> What cause?
people that know far more about it than
I do who I trust and shouldn't have um
mentioned [ __ ] to me.
That's all I got for you, man.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I'm So, let me back up.
Um
>> man, that's a real human, man.
>> Yeah. with with real family and there's
a pattern of people disappearing and
their bodies being found later. Um
because exposure often times masks
causality of death. Um and it's [ __ ]
up and there are cases the public
doesn't know about and George and I are
on a couple of them
and some of them are older,
right? But um it's a pattern and it's
it's really gnarly. And I will say that
um there are people who if they weren't
dead were willing to testify
um and they would have testified
um
and I don't know like you would probably
>> Well, you mentioned that in the movie.
>> I did
>> that someone
>> I did. Yeah.
>> Yeah. There's a few people, but um a
couple things burn in the back of my
brain and I don't know if they're
related, but it's horrible [ __ ]
timing.
>> Do you feel a sense of like personal
guilt for that?
>> No. No, I'm not close to um those cases.
Okay. um personally and my wife told me
um you make your own decisions and you
have to um
you have to contend with that. You have
to wrestle with that, but other people
make their own decisions
and they're full on adults and they have
to contend with that.
>> That's right.
>> So, I can't hold that and I'm not
personally close to any of those cases.
I've been asked to be close to them and
I I don't feel it's right for a number
of reasons.
>> Sure. Well, that's good advice that your
wife gave you.
>> Yeah.
>> Tell you that
>> she's a mystic.
>> Um, this one I think is on everybody's
mind. So, we'll go with this one here.
Everybody's butt mine or something.
>> Planet Earth, the greatest show in the
solar system.
cause. Can you tell us more about the
claim that the government will falsely
say that a craft is slowly making its
way to Earth?
>> Oh [ __ ]
>> This is
>> Can I say more than I already said? Is
that what you're asking?
Yeah, you kind of said, you know, that
you were told in some capacity that a
craft would well that uh uh certain
people would alarm us about some
impending, you know,
>> I sure did [ __ ] say that in January.
Yeah. Back
>> right right before um
>> six months before
>> uh the uh ThreeI Atlas
>> became popularly understood.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
Can I say more? So, you know, it really
bothers me. I I've I've said more and
and I guess I haven't said it loud
enough or clear enough. Um so, yeah,
I'll say more again. Um
you know,
I've already said how I came to that
conclusion. I've said it a billion
times. I'm not hiding anything about how
I came to the conclusion. I am not
psychic. I I make the joke I don't know
when my coffee pot's going to go off
even when I set the time, you know,
because I I'm I have no predictive
ability. Um, the reason I said that is
because I was pressured
for a long time for my mouth to be used
for what I considered a false narrative.
The false narrative being that there was
a craft slowly coming making its way to
Earth. I think they said like 2027 or
2036, you know, leave a big window so
everybody has to [ __ ] guess. And and
if it doesn't happen in 2027, then you
know, we have them until 2036. I think
that is absolute [ __ ] And my cause
to believe that is the way that I was
pressured to be used as a megaphone for
that idea by the intelligence community
which I have mapped out everybody
connected to that one specific lie to
the American public and I just said it
out loud when I was in front of [ __ ]
cameras because I can't be you know
what's the words you used um earlier um
acting sincere. I'm just [ __ ] going
to say it like but I said I told the guy
I don't think you want it in this
[ __ ] show of yours but yet he puts it
in. Thank you Ryan. You know um so
>> was the person who told this to you?
>> There's not a person, brother.
>> There's multiple people.
>> Why do you think I would rely on my
intuition?
>> Were any of those people ever on this
podcast?
>> I have no idea who's on your podcast.
Bring out the book. I'd have to No. You
know what? Let's not play that game
because here's the deal. I already know
your question and um not overtly no to
answer your question. Um but I've heard
from other people
>> that that was said overtly.
>> Same information.
>> Same information. But you have to
understand there's a there's a mosaic of
people who tried to have influence over
me to say that with
>> the same message
>> the ex bro down to the down to the point
where I have a catalog of seven books
that I will not read because I've mapped
out the network of people who have who
said it and it's almost as if I could go
through my memory and type in a word.
>> Do you think a lobe was
>> implicated in this as well? It's almost
as if I could go into my memory and type
in a word and cross reference 11 plus
years of what's been said to me. So, I
know exactly the mosaic of that
information. I do not trust it
>> to be actual and real. In fact, I know
the origin of at least the mythology
which comes from a 70s classified
document. Now, let's back up for one
second, which is this.
I could be [ __ ] wrong.
>> Right.
>> That's mine and George's joke. Like, you
know, I am adamant.
>> You you you have a gut instinct
>> beyond a gut.
>> Yeah. Well, a a journalistic um
>> bang
>> uh uh u not instinct, but I would say
maybe uh
intuition.
>> This ain't my first rodeo. And I've seen
this movie before. Now, now hold on one
second, which is that, you know, [ __ ]
I'm really trying to tell people I don't
have information that you don't have.
But yeah, I just um look, and again, if
I'm wrong, who [ __ ] cares? It'd be
the greatest day of my life. I would
love to be wrong about that
>> cuz it sounds a lot like what you know
you you can't help but overlap
the sort of blue beam
you know narrative that that uh Steven
Greer has been talking about as well
where the government's going to you know
fake an impending alien invasion in
order to you know take away more rights
for the American people
>> do that
>> um well I mean isn't at kind of what
they're doing when when you have people
from these agencies who are the
government telling you that there's an
invasion coming. Isn't that one step
away from faking an alien invasion?
>> Well, no, but that could also be
personal belief based on personal
>> Are you saying they believe it? I I I'm
leaving open the possibility
>> that the reason this messaging has
percolated to yours and my ears and the
public's is because that's a
personalized assessment based on the
information that they have.
>> Um it could be that, right? I don't know
cuz no one would talk to me straight
about it. You know, I have straight up
asked people and it's all like that
weird intelligent [ __ ] where they're not
saying nothing and trying to say
something but saying nothing
>> and it feels like just passage material.
>> I don't know. But I would I would tell
you this. You're never going to be told
the truth straight by any government
agency. And not just cuz they don't know
it because their job is to shape the
emerging UAP narrative to be able to
utilize truth and untruth to their
behest. That is the goal.
>> And what's your goal?
>> My goal in what?
>> When their goal is to shape the
narrative, what's your goal? Oh, my goal
is to try to dig as deep as I can and
find out what the truth is. That's my
goal.
>> Jeremy Corbel, thank you, brother,
>> friend.
>> Thank you, friend. Yeah,
>> appreciate you and I appreciate you
coming here and opening up and and uh
yeah, wishing you lots of luck and
safety and health with uh the rest of
your journey.
>> Hope. Okay. My hope is that this is the
last time that I ever have to do an
interview
where
I feel stress and pressure
in trying to limit my words, man.
Because my goal is to um live a
different life now. Um I don't want to
play this game anymore.
Yeah,
>> fair enough.
>> All right.
>> No, wishing you all the best.
>> Thanks, brother.