Sean, thanks for doing this. It dawned
on him the other day, years after it
dawned on you, that there are no secular
leaders of anything and that people pose
as, you know, science-based and
non-religious, but everyone who has
power in the world is religious. I have
noticed they just have different
religions. And uh you've been on this
for a very long time. So let's just
start as big as we can. What's the
purpose of communing with the
supernatural for leaders? Why do leaders
do it?
>> I think there was some I maybe this is a
quote or someone said this to me. Um
there are not power there are
non-powerful people who are Freemasons
but there are no powerful people who are
not Freemasons.
>> Freemasons.
>> Freemasons.
If you think about the nature of an
initiatory group that's been around in
its current form for a few hundred years
since the 1700s right in the UK but and
likewise in France um but it's or you
know they say its origin or they believe
its origin precedes it to the Knights
Templar right who were a very powerful
order as we know from my understanding
of the Templars it's not this the idea
of like nine knights showing up in the
Middle East during the Crusades right to
guard the roads right It was really more
about uh excavating under the the temple
of Solomon. Yes,
>> that was you know what they were
interested where the ancient
>> the well of souls
>> the well of souls the the ancient texts
the things that were you know written
into like grimoirs and hidden you know
incantations things that you could
basically call upon the spiritual realm
because that's the lore of King Solomon.
King Solomon, as we remember from the
Bible, you know, he had wisdom and he
was a powerful ruler over uh what was
then Israel, but uh
>> richest man in the world.
>> Yeah. Well, he had the gold, but why did
he have the power was because he could
call upon what they call jin genies and
he could command them with his ring, the
ring of Solomon, the ring of power. And
that's what he so the real lore of like
masonry right was that he had this
builder hireab who could you know who
architected the the temple the temple of
Solomon but they had jin that they
called upon to actually
>> do the work and to build it now that's
all metaphor
>> and what are jin
>> genies what we would call genies in
Aladdin's lamp they are the beings in so
I went to Iran the first time was
>> curiosity but I went to go meet with
some of these guys that communicate to
them to the other side and uh I would
talk to them about, you know, what's
going on in the world and they would
say, "Yeah, I mean
the jin and Islamic lore is very similar
to like angels and demons or the
watchers in the book of Enoch, right?
Who are not they're both dark and light.
Some some serve God, some serve the dark
side." And um and so the idea of like
the power of Solomon was to be able to
have a relationship and mastery. And
some people say that he actually got
overwhelmed by the power and that's why
he fell, right? He ended up with the the
love affair that sort of sank his his
his rulership. Um because he it's a very
d it's a very dangerous gambit once you
start communing with that side. But all
I believe all the initiatory paths
Freemasonry is just one of them. The
most famous one
lead you to that realm to that
understanding that there's spiritual
forces invisible to us that are working
through people in this world. And just
because someone is a so-called Christian
doesn't mean they're serving God. And
someone just because someone is a Muslim
doesn't mean they're serving the devil.
that it's the same across the entire
planet that there are forces of dark and
light working through every religion,
every people, even through our own our
own lifetime, our own souls. You know,
at any point when you grow up in
Hollywood or whatnot, you realize like
it does seem that people can sell their
souls and maybe not even be aware of it
because to me it's not Satanism is like
can be incantations. It can be blood
sacrifices and rituals. It can also just
be worship of the material realm.
>> Yes.
>> Right. So when you get into that realm
of like, oh, I want power. I want
worldly power. I think that's the
satanic path. They not they don't they
don't think of it as such. But
materialism at his heart is worship of
the earth. And that's why people talk
about the earth is like, you know, it's
kind of Lucifer's domain, right? Because
if you worship, if you become start
worshiping money and you know and
yourself, your own ego, well, you've
lost sight of the transcendent power of
God.
>> There's no question about that. There's
no question. Um, and I think all of us
experienced that in our own lives. Uh,
but just to back to what you initially
said about the Masons.
>> So, we we're about 100 ft from Masonic
Lodge. Um, they're all over rural
America. They're kind of a vestage of
the past. This is how I think of them.
>> Bunch of elderly guys
>> with ceremonial swords.
>> Yeah.
>> Tell stories. I have one.
>> You have one.
>> Um I have one right over there from that
lodge. Uh
>> you don't think of them as a threat or
even a meaningful player in current
events. Um but then I should say I don't
know much about it.
>> Yeah.
>> Uh I don't so at really at all. you
joined the Masons. Why did you do that
and what what was it like?
So it was it was a it was a journey of
initiation I think that I was going
through in that time um right out of
college cuz you know in my college years
started getting deep into um studying
history and and you know even in the
procopious was writing the history of
Justinian right the Roman emperor
Byzantine emperor and he described him
as a a shape-shifting demon basically in
that book in the secret history and that
was buried for a long time. Um, and you
know, again, there's all types of
histories that King James was, was it uh
James' Bible, but he also wrote
demonology book, right? I mean, this was
the way that it was the world was
perceived and understood for centuries
as we know. Um,
>> as a battleground between dark and
light.
>> Yeah. I mean, as as forces that were
unseen. I mean, Socrates talked about
his his Don like his, you know, but be
called genius. But, you know, they say
like in the old world there's a theory
that when Homer is writing about, you
know, the Iliad and and you know, all
these different um uh gods having a play
in human life. A lot of people believe
that we were in communication more
readily with beings, right? Unseen
beings and it may have been a real real
factor in our in our consciousness back
then. And then we you know obviously we
get to this place of the enlightenment
when um all that becomes relegated and
we say oh that's all you know hocus
pocus and not real we can only focus on
the physical realm but you can't
understand how life begins through the
physical realm alone you can't
understand how the universe is formed no
>> right I mean what okay how does a big
bane start you know it just happens okay
>> spontaneous
>> you know time travel I mean how does it
happen how does it actually begin
exactly from what And how does our how
does life begin? So I think a lot of the
materialists actually you could say like
you know people say Darwin and whatnot
are essentially serving the dark side
because they're saying there's nothing
outside the material realm. It's this is
all that exists and everything. Well
actually all we're interfacing with is
our own minds. Yes.
>> Our own perceptions. And so when they
want us to believe, you know, a very
simplified version of reality,
spontaneous evolution, random evolution,
random changes, right? Take away
anything spiritual.
Um, I think that serves the dark side in
a sense because it now it elevates our
own egos. It makes us, you know, we're
the progenitors of this and, you know,
we are the greatest thing in the
universe and we can get into that later,
but that then serves a transhuman agenda
that, you know, it's all about
perfecting ourselves through the
physical plane of genetics, right?
Genetic tampering and whatnot. And you
try to basically take the spiritual
origin impulse of God creating this
universe out of the story, right? That's
what the enlightenment did in many ways.
But you can't take it out because we
instin instinctively as souls that we
are in human form, we have this
curiosity and this desire to know, okay,
where did I come from? Like it can't,
you know, my soul didn't just
spontaneously appear. How do I have
consciousness? How do where does
consciousness originate from? Just from
our brains. Well, I think we're
understanding that our brains are more
receivers almost like, you know,
computers that can receive the internet
that's around us, right? That's the way
that we function more in that way. And
that's why people have near-death
experiences or they have out-of- body
experiences and they this is, you know,
the CIA does this kind of stuff, astral
projection, and they can see things
outside of their physical body that you
can't say, well, your brain knew it. You
have all kinds of cases and stories of
this. you know people you know who are
literally on a hospital bed and they can
perceive things in the next room. So
consciousness transcends our brain right
and that indicates again a spiritual
reality that a lot of mainstream science
does wants us to ignore. But I was like
looking at history and saying no we've
always had this impulse to see a
spiritual reality or what Plato calls
like the ideational realm the world of
ideals before before we get to the
material realm. So, let's not try to
ignore that.
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you know, study these things and I ended
up going into uh well, I met this guy
who was uh uh himself Mason and um he
was a Jersey kid who was like my age and
we started he he would he had been
exploring these haunted places. New New
Jersey is notorious for being haunted.
They have a whole magazine called
Haunted NJ, right? And not just Jersey,
but the, you know, the, let's say, the
East Coast,
>> but especially New Jersey.
>> Especially New Jersey. They got some
history there. I don't know what it is.
Um, and so he was exploring these places
like Greystone, which was a massive
mental hospital. Um, Woody Guthrie was
there, for example, and you saw it in
the recent uh Bob Dylan movie. He goes
and visits Guthrie at the Greystone
Mental Hospital. This place was about
for 100 years. It was one of the biggest
mental hospitals in the country. It was
the biggest foundation when they built
it until they built the Pentagon after.
So, it was a massive like we went to
this place at night and even though it
was shut down, it was still the lights
were still on and it's about five or six
stories tall and underground there's
tunnels and passages that go on for
miles around. So we would go explore
this place at night
and um and let's just say that high
stranges ensued
because he started
>> it's an abandoned mental hospital in New
Jersey.
>> Yeah. Yeah. It's an abandoned mental
hospital in Jersey. And so from the
first time that we went there and then
went back and each time it would just
different things would reveal themselves
to me in a way that I made a film about
it um Greystone Park to kind of
symbolize the the way that fear operates
to me. I believe that our frequency
attracts forces. And so when you go into
a place like that where
thousands of people are have died, they
had like a mass grave basically of you
know thousands of people that had died
there over the course of a hundred years
and there had been a lot of abuse and I
think also people go into this place
where they would go into that place who
are themselves you know we call mentally
ill but a lot of them I think were
demonp possessed.
>> Yes. And so imagine it's now becoming a
place of very dark energy and uh
>> hard to imagine anything darker than
that.
>> Right. Yeah. And so what we saw was like
indications, paraphernalia, books,
things like this left behind of um like
satanic rituals like people would go
there and perform rituals to draw upon
the energy.
And
why would someone do that?
Well,
so this gets into the nature of our of
this realm, right? If we again like we
understand like material realm is what
we see and what we interact with, what
we think we're interacting with. But as
we know
at heart, it's just it's all energy.
Like this table is moving particles,
right? Our being is we're moving
particles, moving atoms. We're we're
we're energetic bodies that, you know,
appear to be fixed, but actually, as we
know, we're changing every second,
every, you know, every day. Our, you
know, we're we're cells are dying and
being reborn, our, you know, our energy
body is is moving. And so, the spiritual
traditions have always understood that
because, you know, they didn't call it
necessarily energy, but be prana and
life force, breath, r, right? Like
that's the origin of of creation is
something in spirit is moving through us
into this container, this vessel that
you know that appears fixed. But again,
as we know, it's changing. That's why we
don't uh we don't look the same every
day, even if it's just slight
differences. And as you know, like you
can see in people's you can just you can
kind of see it sometimes, right? Like
you can see when someone's energetically
drained. You can see when someone's
energy is high and they're vibrant
>> instantly.
>> Mhm. Mhm. So this is all this is this is
the energetic nature of reality.
So if we are talking about a world that
also is energetic and alive and then you
have uh geometry let's say certain
structures trap energy more than others
right I mean if you're outdoors and I
mean we can just experience it right
you're out in nature you're in you're in
a a forest the trees are going to have
certain energy it's going to it's going
to move you know maybe like they'll in
the course they are living beings right
so they'll they'll live their life and
die. Um, and that's why some forests are
called haunted forests or darker, you
know, they're darker places. And
sometimes you'll have historically,
yeah, you'll have places where there'll
be gatherings of people to practice, you
know, since the pagan times, let's say,
right, to practice different rituals and
sometimes you'll feel the energy of that
like, oh, this is a place where, you
know, there's a gathering that takes
place and a certain energy gets created
there. Um, same way as like a building.
I mean, that's what a haunted house is,
right? Like, if you're in a house and
it's, you know, you someone gets
murdered, it's going to have a heavier
energy, right? Because it hasn't, unless
you come and bless it and really, I
don't know, do the right energy
through to let it pass, right? To let
the souls go. Um, and I, you know, had
that experience with one of the haunted
places I went to. It was like a a place
that was uh notorious.
It was next to the It was next to a
mental hospital where kids uh were
housed and this was upstate New York.
This was different from Greystone. Um
and in that house next to the mental
hospital for kids, the legend has it
that um a priest that was molesting
these kids at that property and actually
killing some of the kids and doing black
magic. And in that house, I saw people
get possessed and you know, I we heard
the sounds of hell like coming from I
mean, it's hard to imagine that this is
what we experienced. You know, we'd be
upstairs and all of a sudden we'd hear
howling of dogs and laughter of like
demonic laughter and things like this
echoing through the house. And so we
went back multiple times and we blessed
the house and the final time
really felt a purging of energy and the
house burned down on its own within
about a month or two.
So that's the kind of thing we talk
about like the energy that gets trapped
in places until you come with higher
frequency of blessing a place and you
know clearing the energy. So again we're
talking of a battle of dark and light
those forces that draw upon dark energy.
Um because they can then invoke
spirit let's say darker spirits that
hooks into that. If everything is, let's
say like frequency, fear,
you know, things that are horrific,
horror films play into the psychology,
right? It's like Freddy Krueger, right?
He plays he he prays upon he's a dream
demon, right? He he infects people with
fear and we think about how like demons
are what? They're scary, right? They're
monstrous. They're shadows. They're
things that
um that create fear in us. And then it
seems to be like the frequency match
almost. Um
>> do you think that's one of the reasons
that Jesus so often tells his disciples
not to be afraid?
>> Yes, that's exactly right. So remember
when demon cast when Jesus casts out the
demons, he sends them into the swine,
right? He's like, "Yeah, get them out.
Get out of
>> the vessel and they go and kill
themselves because a lot of the demonic
I mean again there's different frequency
of demonic energy. There's madness.
A lot of psychosis we have experiencing
in this country, I think, connects to
it. Um, a lot of it ties into alcohol
and drugs. That's, you know, lowering
people's frequency. You know, it's one
thing to have, you know, a glass or two,
but as we know, a lot of alcohol, what
does it do? It takes us out of our right
mind. In my experience of seeing people
get possessed, it's pretty much like
seeing someone's, you know, when
someone's out of blackout drunk and
Yeah, you've we've all seen it.
someone's cod up or out of their mind on
with alcohol and they behave
erratically, irrationally, they get
aggressive, they get mean or they start
laughing hysterically and the next day
they may not remember anything. It's
exactly what possession is cuz when you
see someone get possessed,
>> they just like a like it's like a a flip
a flip of a switch and they go from
someone you can see look in the eyes and
see what they are to just checked out.
I've seen
people screaming. I've seen people
laughing maniacally. I've seen just, you
know, just check out like just staring
blankly.
But you know it, you just you know that
this person's not in their right mind.
>> Yes.
>> And the key is to try to bring the light
back, breathe, bring, you know, good
energy back, raise the raise the
frequency so they can come back to
their their self theirelves. So what I
would say this battle is between
the darkness that again feeds on that
fear that lower vibrational you know
psyche of like not being in our right
mind not being in our in our higher
selves right not being connected to our
spirit our higher you know to to God
basically right spirit that ex is always
available but the dark side wants to
lower that frequency to a place that
would be closer to hell right what we
what has always been described as hell
place of torture of suffering pain place
of the dead.
>> Yeah. Well, even worse than death,
right? Death is one thing. Go below
that, you know, and it's like that's the
level of um self-destruction like you
said with the pigs, you know,
self-destructiveness.
So, this is the battle and and again, if
the dark side
has, you know, waged war on mankind,
let's say, right? If we believe and this
is you know this is not just Christian
tradition I mean this is like a lot of
story there is
>> yeah a lot of stories around the world
have talked about this you know that
there's something that's waging war on
mankind
um they want they want possession of the
soul they want us to check out to give
to surrender right to check out say hand
over control of the vehicle
and that seems to be the real battle
right are we autonomous beings we have
control of our vehicles I mean we all
experienced this during co imagine like
you know all this seems so far out but
like during co we actively saw people
checked out from fear and like dead body
like dead things you know putting on
masks so they can't even really breathe.
They can't in a court of law you can't
you're like you know you can't speak if
you've got a mask on right so like you
don't have any say so when you put a
mask on you're basically taking away
your power to speak and to breathe. So
you're like a dead you're like a dead
thing now. And then beyond that we saw
the hysteria that came with it, you
know, from fear. All that fear around
you're infected, you might be infected.
This person could be infected. You
didn't get your shot. You better stay
away. You you can't come to the family
gathering. You can't come into that to
my establishment. And if you're in
California, I mean, I I left the state
because it was like I can get a fake
vaccine card, but I don't want to engage
with people that are mandating this.
Right? What kind of hysteria? What kind
of madness is this? Right? So, we've all
experienced that kind of possession. Not
not like some people personally
experienced it and then said, "Wait a
minute. I was in fear and I've woken up
and others just saw it and saying it's
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practice a religion. How would you
describe what masonry is?
>> Well,
I mean masonry is based in the Old
Testament. You know, most a lot of the
Masons I know are Christian, but again,
it's I look at is as as an initiatory
path. So I don't look at it as Masons
are are evil. What I experienced was
that there's Okay. So, I'll put like
this. The first night that I went there,
um,
>> where was this?
>> Uh, the Cornerstone Lodge in New York,
which is a very famous lodge. Uh, people
like Jay-Z, you know, go there and
whatnot. It's, uh, you know, it's
>> Jay-Z's amazing.
>> Yeah. From my understanding, he, uh, he
was, you know, he was with that lodge,
um, as well, but higher higher than I
was. Um but the point is that it's it's
um
it's an initiation that kind of what I
felt was being observed and watched and
I know it was watched because after
doing the first degree initiation where
you get the blindfold and the the noose
and all this stuff is online. I'm not
revealing some secrets. all the the the
phrases and things, you know, the the
geometry of it where you have to walk,
you know, certain directions and points
and say certain things, all that's
online now. It's public. But when you
perform it ritualistically, like a play,
there are other forces that are not
human that are engaging in the the
experience.
And I know that because when I was
leaving the lodge that night with my
friend, um, we got a phone call and it
was an unknown number and this sort of
husky voice was on the phone and he was
like, "How was the meeting?" And I was
like, "It's interesting game you guys
have going here." And it's like, Mhm.
And we were just talking a bit, saying a
lot of things that were like biblical,
you know, 40 days in the cave, 40 some
stuff that I didn't understand,
but
I knew that they were watching me cuz I
was walking back to my apartment in New
York. And um and I'm like, "Oh, so
you're watching me." He's like, "Yeah."
I'm like, "Okay, what am I doing?" He's
like, "You're walking." So I stopped
walking. And I'm like, "Oh, yeah." He's
like, "Yeah, you stopped walking." And I
was like, "Okay, it could be a guess,
but let's just go, you know, continue
the conversation. go upstairs
and um I had like a gray shirt on and
black pants and uh after you know I
started recording the conversation
the audio did not record subsequently
only the video recorded but as I was
recording this basically was it was this
man's voice and then it would be a woman
that would take over so it was like two
voices it was one as a man one as a
woman and then she basically said stop
recording and I was
you know, I didn't stop. I would maybe
like stop for a minute, then I turn it
back on. And I had a at that time I had
a a cross on uh sorry, it was a not a
cross, it was it was a Islamic sword um
that I had as a necklace. And so I was
taking my shirt off and she's like, "Put
your shirt back on."
And I was like, "Oh, you don't like this
this symbol or what's wrong?" You know,
and it was like, "Put your shirt back
on." And I'm like, you know, we just
continued to talk, but I there were a
few things that I remember distinctly,
including her saying, I'll leave you
with this. You're wearing a gray shirt
with black pants.
So, something was had been observing me
that night. And they continued to talk
with me and
um
it it it was essentially they texted me
thereafter and it was like it went on
for an hour or so like off and on. My
friend who took me there got really sick
to his stomach. He was like vomiting
actually after that during that same
time that I was on the phone and uh he
really was like physically out of it.
And so I was conversing with these
things for like an hour. And again, a
lot of it was about the fallen angels
because
uh this goes back to again the jin, the
unseen world. the idea that remember the
book of Enoch talks about this that the
fall basically
is not just Lucifer's it's like Lucifer
and the what was it the three was it 300
or 30 the 300 I think that fell um but a
lot of it had to do with the origin of
like
how the angels fell in love with human
women right that's the story of Enoch
was that they fell in love with human
women they had children
>> the Nephilim
>> nephilim the fallen ones or also I guess
they're also fallen ones and uh this
whole bloodline war basically of like
you know fallen angels having children
with human women and becoming like the
great leaders of old you know the the
the men of reown the men of renown.
Exactly. The leaders of the military and
the and the emperors or kings of the
time royal bloodlines. So all this came
up that night.
>> What's interesting is if you bring up
that story from Enoch and it's alluded
to in Genesis 6 as well, people look at
you like that's the craziest thing I've
ever heard. Where does that come from?
Is that like a David Ike concept or
something? But then if you just assess
it non-emotionally,
>> that's pretty much every religion tells
that story, including Christianity,
right? Jesus is the product of spirit
and a human woman, God and Mary. So the
Greek myths are the same.
>> Alexander was his mother said that Zeus
came to her.
>> Exactly.
>> Um
>> so I'm not Yeah. You know, I mean that's
not proof, but it's certainly uh an
indication. This is not like a crazy new
theory that David Ike thought up.
>> Not at all. And that's why I always say
>> the basis of every religion.
>> Yeah. That's why people have got so they
they want you to think about Ike as like
he's the crazy guy. But that's why I
studied history because I wanted to say
no, Ike is just picking up on old
traditions and he's just listening to
people that are telling him stories
which
>> I think you can hear that story in any
church in the United States every
Sunday.
>> Exactly. Right. So it's not conceptually
it's not a departure from what people
have thought for thousands of years that
there is the physical reality of
actors from the spiritual realm
impregnating human women.
>> Right. Right. And going again, I mean,
even the Anunnaki texts of the Samrians
before, you know, which predates the Old
Testament talking about exactly this
thing about the Anunnaki sky gods um
creating the first humans as their
workers. And you know, and again, like
the flood sto mythology comes from that,
you know,
>> God was so displeased by the behavior of
the Nephilim
>> that he destroyed the world. Right.
>> And their behavior that he that he
specifically called out was violence.
>> Right. Right. And eating of actually
eating of humans. The Nephilim did
remember.
>> Really?
>> Oh, yeah. The giants ate the humans. Do
you remember?
>> That's in the book of Enoch.
>> It's in one of them. It's either I mean,
I thought it was in the Bible, but it's
definitely Enoch then because that was
the issue that they were that the giants
were eating people.
And uh so this you know then takes us to
the very you know present day of you
know when
demon you know the lore around demons
drinking human blood or like you know
demonp possessed humans drinking human
blood Dracula mythology right I mean
>> this is all it's it's it's drawn upon
the old world but it you know when I
when when Hunter S. Thompson talks about
adrenochrome and people say, "Oh, he
made that up." And I go, "Yeah, except I
talk to a military intelligence guy who
goes, "Adrenchrome is real because it
comes across our our tra our messaging
boards all the time." You know,
adrenochrome is being trafficked into
the country.
>> So adrenochrome is a compound from the
human adrenal gland. Is that correct?
>> Yeah. I mean, my understanding is it's
like an adrenaline. Basically it's
adrenaline that gets secreted and um
from like obviously adrenaline from
anxiety from stress fear and it's you
know it's something specifically that um
is being used for you know as a as a
drug or is it you know is it demonic
food? I don't know. I mean it again it's
it's not something that I've personally
experienced but you know it's like we're
connecting the ancient world to the
modern world and it seems to be you know
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It's very interesting to me that um some
of the main themes throughout human
history, blood being the life force, the
spirit,
>> the magic and the blood, right?
>> The magic and the blood. Um genetics
>> bloodline.
>> Mhm.
>> These were full-blown preoccupations for
every civilization before 1945, and
they've just been eliminated from public
conversation
>> by media. But media is the greatest
magician of all, right? I mean, that's
it's so interesting that you mentioned
45. Obviously, that's the end of the
Second World War,
>> right?
>> British, you know, British broadcasting
was originally part of uh British
intelligence. Like, it was always, you
know, they understood that propaganda
was key. I mean, that was first world
war effort um bringing us into the first
world war, getting us, you know, getting
us involved. And then obviously the
second world war the same. there was a
huge amount of um propaganda that was
that was put out for it. Um but then we
adopted those same techniques post 45 I
would say with the various radio
projects um you know whether it was like
you know and from radio to television
right the same concept a lot of the guys
as you know that were like intelligence
oss officers or you know part of the OSS
then became like executives and whatnot
for the original um you know TV channels
which as you know at the time was like
what like four you know it was like ABC
CBS PBS yeah Right. Um and so it was
very it was very important to send out
messaging and then um likewise with
radio it was the same thing. It was like
okay first radio was used you know for
for information before television but
then radio became the music and so it
became like top 40 what was it the top
40 project essentially it was like let's
let's figure out how to basically
condition people using music and it's no
longer going to be
>> symphonic right like long symphonic
pieces of music it's going to be short 3
minutes or less of you know something
that can like hook people in
>> cultural propaganda
>> culturally propagandize over and over.
Hypnotize people essentially. I mean,
that's what music does. Think about the
when we engage with so interesting
engaging with young people now and
seeing how much like, you know, when I
was a kid, hip-hop was it was kind of
coming, you know, was coming on in the
'90s. Um, but nowadays it's like all
those lyrics, a lot of the a lot of the
the more debasing, you know, lyrics,
let's say, how do you end up with an
Only Fans culture? Wolf starts with the
lyrics that are put out through hip-hop
music that's propagated to every you
know young kid across the country and
then that becomes part of the cultural
conditioning languaging all these
things. So I think music is one of the
most important magical tools that no
doubt you know that's that's used to
obviously um influence culture and then
obviously not just music film and
nowadays with streaming it's it's hypno
putting people into hypnotic states for
hours on end right when you stream
things into the consciousness.
>> Yeah. Social media are hypnotic noticed
and very addictive. So
>> Tik Tok especially, I mean, people
literally just fall asleep to it. You
know, it's scrolling and streaming.
>> So part of the point of the propaganda
effort is not just to highlight lies,
but to prevent people from considering
things in full context or seeing the
whole picture, eliminating certain
important themes from the public
conversation. And certainly
>> anything supernatural
would fall into that. blood and genetics
would also be part of that.
>> Um, but the people who run the world
never stopped paying attention to the
supernatural, to blood and genetics, did
they?
>> No, I don't think so. I mean from my
experience and again I mean I'm I have a
limited experience of it but
you talk to some of these families and
uh I mean first of all in the in the UK
you feel it especially in the in England
the aristocratic culture
>> the mindset
um to this day they still have a king
you know it's
>> yes
>> okay you know they still have the
aristocracy and the bloodlines families
and whatnot um and their traditions and
And then you know you think about like
you know some of these families talk
about they can trace their ancestry back
to the Roman Empire
or even before sometimes. Uh but again
it's just whether or not you're aware
again like whether or not you're aware
of it I think some families more so than
others. Um,
the families that are more aware of it,
I think, have a certain conditioning
process that some people talk about when
it comes to the pedophilia. I think
that's more normalized. Uh,
it's kind of part of the boarding school
culture.
>> Yeah. often times like that was my sense
of it when I was at I was at Oxford for
two terms and um you know hanging out
with you know some people some families
that are more known than others and uh
they would you know some of them would
tell me like you know the boarding
school culture was very you know uh you
could say you know homosexual and that
kind of dates back to in terms of the
ideology to Rome and Greece remember
like the idea of you know passing on
wisdom from the male from the older male
to the younger male and so it becomes
acceptable.
>> And then um
>> yeah and then you you know you you do
hear these things about a lot of these
these families that are like practicing
pedophilia with their own kids and they
look at it almost like a um a training
like a a training process because it
dissociates. So tra traumatic abuse of a
young person dissociates them makes them
able to then you could argue like you
know like the monarch butterfly that's a
symbol the monarch is often described as
a symbol of um the childhood
programming. So basically like when you
are traumatized so young you dissociate
you now have greater ability to act
without
moral compunction without even like
knowing your own limits right your your
own self
>> you basically have broken all those
barriers.
>> Well you do have to ask questions about
a system um that sends you know its sons
to boarding school at seven or eight
years old.
>> Mhm.
>> Mhm. Or even younger sometimes.
>> Or even younger. Yeah. and my
grandfather went uh you know at that
kind of age and I wasn't good for him. I
I don't know why you would do that but
it has something to do with breaking
down
>> normal qualities in a young man. I'm not
saying it's a pedesty thing, but it does
have to do with
>> Yeah. Abuse has many forms. You know,
there's the physical, there's the
verbal,
>> the sexual is just usually like the one
that no one wants to talk about.
>> No, that's right. But obviously occurs.
>> So, um, okay. So, you How long were you
a Mason?
>> I mean, it's not like you you you ever
like established like I'm going to
meetings. No, I wanted to initiate to
three degrees. I I I entered
>> and in between, by the way, okay, so
this is why I know this gets far out,
but like in between,
>> but we're already pretty far out. the
initiation, the first degree and the
third degree from in that time period. I
would get phone calls from 666 numbers
all the time. 6666,
we want your soul. Like just demonic
voices. We I want your soul. That's kind
of nonsense.
>> So Satan called your cell.
>> I mean, I don't know if you know if it
was Satan or the CIA, but someone with a
666 number that sounded satanic called
my cell and would be like, "We want your
soul." And I would just laugh and be
like, "Okay." I mean, it's not mine to
give. you know, my soul belongs to God.
So, I don't know what you're talking I
can't I can't I can't help you.
Basically, I don't know what
>> I think I'm jumpier than you because if
I was, you know, in between uh degrees
in the Masons and Satan started calling
me, I would drop out. Well, it's not
about dropping out or not. It's about
initiating in your in in um as I said,
it's an initiating and understanding of
the world. And that's why I believe the
checkerboard is very real. Like the way
that it's designed is the checkerboard
on the floor. It's black and white. Not
all Satanists are evil. I do believe
that there's the path of light and
there's a path of dark. They want to
assess who you are. And as I say they, I
mean like a higher higher realm wants to
know what you are. So I believe the
people that join who choose a darker
side, I you know I think I've seen it.
Um they basically are willing to do
anything. They are willing to drink the
blood. They're willing to make the oath
essentially to the dark because they
just want power. And if they know that
you're not your soul isn't wired that
way, you don't end up on the satanic
path.
So again, like a lot of these were just
just kind of tests. I felt like they
were just kind of tests. Just kind of
like I got a call from a Zazel one time.
You know, Zazel is the angel of death,
right? As Aazil calls and then like a
day or two later, my grandmother passed
away when my grandmother
>> Wait, the angel of death called
yourself?
>> Yeah. Well, it's like it it now I mean
it basically identified itself as a
Zazil.
And
>> what did you say?
>> No, I just I knew what a Zazil was. So,
I knew a spirit of death was around. And
then, like I said, my grandmother passed
like I think within within one or two
days of that call. So, I was like,
"Wow." Okay.
>> What What did the angel of death say on
the phone?
>> It wasn't I don't remember like again it
was it wasn't like I remember
specifically an announcement of
something. It was just more of like in
that time period. It was getting so many
calls from these
things like wanting my soul and
sometimes it was witches cackling like
you know come play with us like come you
know come join us sometimes it was one
time and it's funny I played this on
Alex Jones show actually u back in 2012
it was a call from again 666 and they
were doing ball worship they're like
calling on ball and they were like it
sound like they were doing a ritual
these demonic voices are like ball la
you know they're doing a ritual on this
yeah on on the phone call. So it was
almost like they were draw they were
trying to like engage my energy for what
they were doing. You see that's goes
back to the question around
the dark side wants more energy because
again it's disconnected from God.
Well I mean is it disconnected? Let's
just say they're more disconnected. I
don't think anything is disconnected
from God. My perception is it's all
God's universe. So I don't think the
dark I think the dark still ultimately
serves the creator's intention. I don't
think you can you can't divorce yourself
from the universe. But let's just say
their frequency is lower. So they're
drawing upon higher vibrational energy
to try to right to try to draw us down.
That's the battle, right? It's like how
many of those of the light can we bring
to the dark? How many can we sink to our
level or if we can't
they stopped after 2012? After my last
degree of initiation and after 2012, I
never got calls again. So I just felt
like it was this kind of testing phase
and it's like okay
you don't belong to us
who knows maybe they've taken new forms
and you know not saying everything like
life is obviously the full of
challenges. So I think the dark can
manifest in different ways but for me it
was like it was a very overt
confrontation with something that people
would think is you know a fairy tale
until you've lived it. Do you think
other people at the lodge, the
Cornerstone Lodge in New York were
having similar experiences?
>> Well, I mean, I know the person I went
with did, but like some of the other
guys that I knew, I don't think they
anything changed in their life because
Yeah. I mean, we all have different
paths, right? We all like, you know, my
my path was frankly initiatory. I wanted
to explore these things. You know, I
went all the way to Iran just to talk
to, you know, guys that were talking to
and trying to understand how the world,
you know, is working, right?
>> What drove you?
>> Yeah. Just
>> Well, you grew up in a materialistic
society in Southern California where the
possibility of this stuff was not
discussed. I would
>> Well, no. I mean, I went I wasn't, you
know, my dad took me to India and Tibet
when I was, you know, nine, no, 10. And,
you know, we went to the Himalayas and
went to like visit, you know, Tibetan
monasteries. the we went to um what's
that uh the patala palace and uh you
know they depict demons and stuff very
overtly in the in the iconography right
if you look at the artwork right of
Tibet Nepal the Buddhist cultures and
even Hindus right like you know they
understand that there's demons and
angels and well they wouldn't call it
they wouldn't call it angels I guess but
like demigods right I mean they would
describe like demigods right more you
know angelic more divine powerful beings
and then you see like the dark faces of
the demonic realm. They look at all
everything I think as like different
temptation. So it's like you have to get
comfortable. You have to face the demon.
You know, you can't if you if you hide
it, that's it gets scarier. Just like in
a horror film, right? It's always
scarier when you don't know where the
monster is. Once you can once you can
face the monster, you take away its
power.
Whereas, you know, as going back to the
dream demon, the Freddy Krueger, it's
like I you know, I take my power back.
I'm not afraid of you anymore. That's
the only way to defeat the monster.
>> I believe that.
>> Yeah.
>> Fear and hate also feed the demons.
>> Yeah. Well, my dad made a whole film,
Naturalborn Killer, is kind of about
these this thing, you know. It's it's
pretty interesting. I mean that's
killers if you watch it as two demonp
possessed people which is really what
they are the main characters Mickey the
main you know he's as uh he's been
abused by his father who who kills
himself his uh he's been physically
abused by his father the Juliet Lewis
character has been sexually abused by
her father and it's like all this kind
of chaotic American media you know
glorification of these two serial
killers but they're going through their
journey of hell, basically like a
hellscape until they find that love love
kills the demon, right? That's their
salvation is through love. But if you
watch the movie, it's just like two
demonp possessed people. It's pretty
interesting.
Okay. So, if we think that hate and fear
feed dark forces, spiritual forces,
unconscious hate, you know, I think
there's healthy there's healthy. We hate
certain things that we find intolerable,
>> right? But if we hate the person, if we
demonize the person, right, that's
that's feeding the
>> wanting to hurt other people, you know,
having malice toward others.
>> Yeah. Exactly.
>> Um and then fear, being terrorized.
>> If those are both spiritual foods for
demons,
how should we understand our
government's concerted effort over many
years to make us terrified and hateful?
M not just the government media media
with it, right? Like media and
government working hand in hand,
>> right? I mean, those kind of are the
messages really. There's someone
>> you need to be afraid of and there's
someone you should hate. You're required
to hate.
>> Well, think about the nature of the
Masonic lodges. There's the red lodge
and the blue lodge.
>> I don't know anything.
>> Yeah. So, that's the the famous like
there's like there's there's the blue
lodge which is more like the French
ancestry. The Scottish right is the red
lodge. And so think about like the
bloods the the bloods and crips the the
Democrats and the Republicans as red and
blue
>> also the bloods and the crips red
>> the blood and the crips. So like this
whole idea of but you know but people
articulate as two wings of the same bird
ultimately it's like both are there to
govern your mentality government govern
your mind right so it's like do we want
you know do we want more less a fair
well republicans are supposed to be more
libertarian more constitutional more
like less you know but they don't but
they tend to just you know end up
spending as much
>> oh yeah
>> as as as the as the blue team you know
both obviously are
dependent on the same Federal Reserve
system, right? So, you could say like
we've been captured by the Fed, you
know, by this debt slavery, this debt
slave Federal Reserve system since 1913,
which is again right around the time
that well, as we know, the income tax
came in, which yeah,
>> totally unconstitutional. And uh and
then also the uh the first world war
begins and the British bring us into
their their empire because you know more
formally because before that we were you
know we were not supposed to be part of
the European game. We focused on you
know the Monro Monroe doctrine was about
you know focusing on our hemisphere
right bringing the republic you know our
republic as a model you know for this
region and protecting this region from
the imperialists of Europe be it you
know French British
um I mean remember during the during the
civil war Mexico had an had a had a coup
by the uh um the French and the the
British uh empire actually couped the
Mexican government right around the same
time they were trying to install their
puppet there.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Didn't work out. But Mexico then,
you know, again, there's all kinds of
puppeteering that goes on as we know
through the different forces
financially. Um, so that's really, I
think, the key is like America wanting
to be a republic independent
of the European empires. With the first
world war, we made Wilson made a huge
decision which I think was a huge
blunder committing us to that war. We
should have been an arbiter. We should
have said, you know, we're not in favor
of either empire. We're going to just
arbitrate, you know, a peace a peace
deal and should have stayed neutral. But
we didn't. We committed ourselves to the
British Empire and the and uh we set up
obviously as a result of that with the
Versailles treaty. You know, the
>> hurt so many people.
>> The second world war followed and we,
you know, obviously again you can get
into the whole history of the finance
years behind, you know, Hitler and his
rise to power. And so it was like we're
going to play you know Germany against
you know the the Soviets who also got
financial support from uh from us. So
it's it's the you know it became a
finance game and that's why I say like
the power behind the scenes really to me
is is the financial empire and um you
know the Rothschilds are obviously a
part of that. I don't think they're the
beall end all of it but they're a very
important force financially. City of
London is a very important force and the
Federal Reserve system which is spawned
from that central banking system of
England. Um so that's when we talk about
like what you know who's who's the f the
American federal government serving it's
been serving its you know the the the
expansion of a debt slavery monetary
system right because we're borrowing
money every time we they they you know
they're printing money but they're not
they're not they don't own it. It's like
it's not constitutional money in the
constitution. Gold and silver is
constitutional money.
>> Everything else is these paper money
notes are promisary notes.
>> That's why it's a Federal Reserve note.
When you see a dollar bill says Federal
Reserve note, it's a promisary note
promised to pay.
>> Yeah.
>> Right. So it's all like it's all debt
and we're just racking up, you know, as
we know what we're at 38 40 trillion, I
don't know, some unpayable amount.
>> Doesn't matter. I mean, exactly. It's
it's not going to be, you know, we have
to re reconfigure this.
>> But it raised the question. So if
individuals can make a deal with
supernatural forces to serve them in
exchange for for temporal power, for
success in this life, money, and
authority,
and that's clearly true. Can nations do
the same? I think so. I think it's it's
a it's a kind of um well
yeah I mean again it's like uh
the power of belief right as a nation
and either
so we we can go back to John D for
example um the magic
>> who was John D. So John D was he was
basically like the head of intelligence
for Queen Elizabeth right at the
beginning of the U British Empire.
>> Elizabeth the first.
>> Elizabeth the first. Yeah. Sorry. Go
back in time to uh
>> the 1580s. Yeah. Exactly. The 1580s and
and D is the original 007. That's how he
signed his his signature. So Bond is
actually inspired from John D. And uh he
was into magic. He basically was working
these uh what they call the Nokian magic
because again derived probably from the
book of Enoch but he was communing with
these beings, watchers, what he
considered angels but um and he had this
you know these incantations
and uh
>> he was summoning spirits.
>> He was working with spirits and the
theory is and the basically the
Shakespearean Tempest play is inspired
from John D as the the the wizard in the
story is basically John D. um that he
essentially made the deal for the
British Empire to become the most
powerful empire in the world. And it
begins with the sinking of the Spanish
Armada, which again, as everyone knows,
it was like there was a freak, it was a
massive storm
>> begun in a tempest.
>> An Tempest that basically, you know,
helped to sink that their their plans
and their fleet. And uh yeah, the theory
is that he basically made the deal to,
you know, for the British Empire, but
the deal requires um certain level of
blood sacrifice.
And you know, some people say that we've
inherited the British Empire and those
demons essentially those same deals.
I can't especially since 45 since the
end of the Second World War.
>> It is interesting if you think about it.
So here you have this island nation with
a pretty small population
take over the entire world.
>> A quarter of the planet was under there.
>> That's right. So yeah, largest empire
some ways the most amazing empire. Um
but certainly a vast empire. How' they
do that?
Um
yeah, I mean it's more than uh guns,
germs, and steel, right? I mean it's a
uh
economically the financials component is
fascinating you know how they how they
were able to obviously uh you know doing
you know with the shipping and whatnot
insurance some shipping and
>> you know they controlled you know when
they controlled the seas of the western
world all the way to India um even to
China right they they even they were
able to uh control the seas and then
they could they basically would trade
you know they had uh certain traffic
where they would, you know, they would
take the cotton, they would buy the
cotton cheap from, you know, slave labor
in America, uh, sell it over, you know,
sell it over and, you know, across their
empire in India, buy the tea there, uh,
buy the the tea and the opium from there
from Afghanistan, which was under India
at the time, and then dump the opium on
the Chinese and get the silver for that.
It's a pretty good trade, right? It's a
pretty good deal.
>> But the core power, you believe, came
from a deal. Well, what I I see the
world is like it's a both it's a
spiritual and a material reflection of
each other. So it's so what I believe is
like when people understand how these
workings happen, it's like if you have
an intention and you let's say undertake
a magical working
>> that has enough belief behind it, let's
say enough energy behind it, it can
manifest in physical form. And this is
the nature of magic. So to me, there's
always two paths with magic. See, Christ
says, "Thy will be done." Which is the
creator's will. The the magic of what I
would say like the dark side is my will
be done. And that's what like Alistister
Crowley and other people like this.
>> Yes.
>> You know, Crowley said he was an
incarnation, a reincarnation of the guy
working with John D in the magical
ceremony.
So their mentality is love is under
will. So basically like love is not the
primordial power of creation for them.
The individual ego will is more
important than love.
>> Yeah. That's a dead end.
>> It's interesting because it points to
something that I think all of us feel
>> which is that there's something dark
about success.
>> It can be.
>> You know there's that famous line, show
me the fortune and I'll show you the
crime.
>> Yeah. Bzac.
>> Yeah. Balzac is really
reason enough to learn to read French.
It's just an amazingly hilarious,
insightful.
Peragorio is one of the great novel.
Anyway, yeah, Bzac, show me the fortune.
I'll show you the crime. So, um,
that resonates because, and this not to
attack all rich people. I mean, we're
both, I guess, by some standards, rich
people. But,
>> well, there's a whole other level.
>> There's a whole Right. I mean when
you're but again you're talking donastic
people that have like you know made
fortunes on again dump selling selling
opium to the Chinese and you know or
selling slaves or selling weapons or you
know financing wars like the
Rothschilds. I mean that's that's a
level of crime you know and or pimping
people like you know like Epstein you
know types you know pimping girls and
boys. I mean that's a whole
>> picture of of grand success in this
world isn't it? I mean, that's maybe the
reason that Jesus says it's harder for a
rich man to get to heaven than a camel
through the eye of a needle. There's
something about it and maybe that
something is
the deal that is inevitably made with
satanic forces in order to get whatever
that success is.
>> You know, how many times
>> is that a crazy hypothesis?
>> You know, people tell me like the
Mexican cartels are doing straight black
magic.
>> Well, they are. That's a fact,
>> right? And I mean, imagine like these
are people that are trafficking humans.
They're trafficking, you know, drugs.
They're they're killing. They're they're
cutting off heads. They're killing with
impunity. I mean,
>> and not just killing, but torturing. So,
that to me is always a sign that there's
something um religious going on.
>> So, you torture others uh for one of two
reasons. Either to elicit information.
You know, I'm going to waterboard you
till you tell me where the terrorists
are,
>> which unfortunately, as we know, is not
necessarily accurate information.
>> No, no, it's not. It's not. But like
Okay. But as a motive.
>> Yeah. or you're doing it for its own
sake because there's something about
human suffering that brings you power
>> and that's when we touch and pleasure
>> which is
>> and maybe adrenochrome
>> and certain cases
>> are bumping up against the supernatural
realm right because why would you if
you're going to kill somebody why would
you torture him first
>> but they always do
>> but see I would posit it more that when
are we not in the supernatural see I
think that's that's the shift
in consciousness that is required. The
great awakening is that we're you know
people have talked about especially
since co is like
>> oh no we're having one there's no
>> we are always under the eyes like we are
always living a supernatural experience
we just
>> we haven't thought that way we've been
trained to think of it as a material
existence and the shift now is to say no
it's
>> we're everything we do has has
supernatural ramification because it's
always choice between serving you know
again serving higher self let's call it
and serving ego
That's to me like that's the the eternal
battle. Every choice we make, every and
you know it's small decisions, big
decisions, all this, it all counts. And
obviously small decisions probably won't
have the greater impact that a bigger
decision will. But if we can shift our
consciousness to start realizing how I
behave at every moment is it aligned
with my higher version of self or not.
This is what we have to do to achieve a
better world. If we want to shift into a
better reality, you know, then that's
falls upon us to say, am I following my
heart? Am I listening to my heart? Am I
listening to intuition? Am I being, you
know, am I being moral and good in this
moment? You know, and I don't, you know,
I don't think that's the whole point.
None of us are perfect, but the whole
point of the Christ model is it's a
model for us. You know, this is the way
of perfection. listen to listen to the
words try to imitate the Christ and I
think we would have a much healthier
reality.
>> Yeah. And I mean Jesus is really clear
that every word you utter every word
will be used to judge you.
>> Like every word matters.
>> Exactly.
>> It's all it's all it's all life force.
It's it begins with thought. That's why
like even the Buddhists, you know, the
ancient religions, they always write
thought, work on your thoughts to then
correct your speech to then, you know,
change your actions. So, it all builds.
>> It's in that exact same passage where he
says, you know, the the evil heart
produces evil actions.
>> Yeah. No, it's it's so right. Um,
so that brings us to the United States,
which is the heir to the British Empire.
So if the British Empire was the product
of this this deal that John D made to
bring the Tempest to
destroy the Spanish Armada,
launch Britain into control of the West
and then that control ends in 1945 with
the dropping of the atom bombs on
>> Yeah.
>> roughly speaking. So where does that
put the United States government?
I mean, we've been subsumed by the New
World Order ideology and for a long time
now. The New World Order ideology came
out of the British Empire. It wasn't a
conspiracy theory. It was their own
language. Cuz I went back when I was in
my history thesis at college and I was
like reading some of the minutes of
these conferences. They kept saying new
world order. It was their own language.
They wanted to basically continue the
empire in in a more informal way because
they realized the empire was, you know,
it was getting a lot of flack, right?
They couldn't sustain it militarily.
They didn't have the manpower. They
wanted to bring America and clearly as I
me uh Cecil Roads, who was, you know,
the great imperialist of South Africa,
Rhdesia, getting the diamond mines set
up and the gold mines and whatnot. Um
and his his benefactor was Lord
Rothschild and and uh he b you know M
roads was in his will saying we want to
reclaim the holy lands and we want to
bring America back um basically within
the empire. So that was the agenda from
the end of the 19th century.
The uh bringing America to be like the
military might of the the western
financial system, right? That takes
place clearly between World War I and
World War II. As you said, we then take
over for the British Empire all of its
former colonies and the French colonies,
including Vietnam in, you know, why do
we end up in Vietnam War? It's a French
colony.
>> Indochina. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Indochina. um why do we you know
take on uh Turkey and Greece you know to
defend against the Soviets that's all
the British imperial realm the Middle
East again the French and British carved
up the Middle East all these countries
are essentially you know creations of
the British and the French
>> um so we inherit the empire and
basically
>> ally with this idea of
>> of uh you know the war the world m the
world game Russia had been the enemy of
the British they became our enemy
And that's a whole complicated issue,
but essentially, you know, partly it's
it's dynastic families, you know,
wanting the wealth of the others. And
that's perhaps why they they couped um
uh Thesar, you know, to get their their
fortune and get them out of power and
put the Soviets in partly as an
experiment, partly as a way to keep the
Russia out of I don't know, I guess you
could say like um separated from the
Western world to create like an enemy
going forward cuz as we know, we backed
Hitler at the beginning to go against
Russia. That was the whole deal was like
you're going to fight the Russians kind
of like uh we backed Iraq to fight the
Iranians in the 80s. You know, it's the
old divide and conquer technique. Um so
yeah, so Russia had been the British
enemy. We we inherited that. And then um
we basically bought into the new world
order ideology. That's why we kept going
into this globalist mentality for
decades, you know, of committing
ourselves.
>> But there's a supernatural element too.
It seems obvious. It was only in the
last year after a lifetime of living
next to it that I realized the Pentagon
is in the shape of a pentagram.
>> Yes. Yes.
>> Wh why of all potential architectural
designs would you put your headquarter
your military in a pentagram? M again
the stars that soldiers wear it's like
as you know like if you've seen movies
or whatnot like the pentagram is or
pentagon pentagram is a very common
image for um can be for protection.
There's there's an invoke there's an
invocation of protection through it and
then there's also the inverted uh
pentagram which is often times used for
uh sacrifice like you'll you'll see
again like you'll see it in films right
where they'll put the pentagon on
pentagram on the floor and within a
circle and then they'll they do a ritual
sacrifice within it.
>> Well, it's the central image of
Satanism.
>> Yeah, exactly. The inverted the inverted
horns, right? It's like the horns. It's
the inversion of the pentagram. So again
it's it's it can be used
>> way symbolism I notice in our our
culture for some reason
>> people are waking up
>> but it's we went through this period
where you know for all of history
symbols really matter they really
matter.
>> Yeah.
>> In a lot of world they still matter and
then in the west for the last 80 years
symbols are just null and void like your
average person is not allowed to notice
the symbolism in anything.
>> Yeah. Yeah. No we have to
>> poetry dies metaphor dies.
>> Exactly. the the spiritual life withers
and we just don't notice that our our
military is headquartered in a building
called the Pentagon. And by the way, I
learned this from you at breakfast this
morning. I I have no idea what it means,
but I was amazed to learn that the
cornerstone of the Pentagon was laid on
September 11th, 1941,
60 years to the day
that the flight was Flight 77 I think
was flown into it. 77 is 77 is a magical
number, too.
So, you know, again, I think of these
events as mass rituals.
>> I mean, I'm Look, I I just learned this
this morning eating my omelette. So, I
um I haven't thought about it at all,
but I I that's kind of the point I'm
making.
>> Yeah.
>> I heard that plane. I was close enough
to hear the plane or whatever. I heard
that impact of something.
>> Well, we never saw the video, right? It
>> never I'm aware. The whole thing is
bizarre, but
>> I'm only making the point that I was
very aware that it happened. I had a
friend on that plane,
>> etc., etc.
>> Why am I now 25 years later, for the
first time, learning that the Pentagon
cornerstone was laid
on September 11th, 1941?
>> No.
>> Like you'd think in the coverage of it,
they'd be like, "Hey, this is kind this
is kind of
>> Yeah. The 60th anniversary." You'd think
so, right?
>> I never heard that. Did you know that?
Yeah, I'd read I'd read about it, but I
at the time was that like on World News
Tonight
>> at the at the time I mean I I was I was
as clueless at the time when it
happened. I just thought I I look here's
all I knew about 911 was that nothing
made sense because I was in Somali land
in the summer in July and we got notices
from the State Department facts saying
you know be careful to all foreign all
nationals all American nationals abroad.
Um like there's basically like rumor
around like a terrorist plot. So be like
be on high alert.
>> I was in Maine that summer and they
didn't send us any notice at all.
>> No,
I guess I should have been in Somali
land. So So I mean we already were like
kind of was like oh it's interesting
that we got the notice that obviously
some Intel Intel something's coming
across Intel you know channels to say
that. And I'm not sure if anyone ever
reported on that in the um you know in
the investigation of like the
intelligence labs, but again I just I
never believed the official story and
the more I looked at it, the more it
just didn't add up. You know, the take
down of the towers by
I mean just structurally speaking, you
know, you have you know that the plane
hit the uh uh the Empire State Building
back in 46. Remember that?
>> Yeah, of course. You know, it was a
military plane at the time and
>> they hit bomber
>> bomber in a collapse.
>> Well, Donald Trump is on tape on the
morning of 911 saying, "I can't I don't
know. How could that have happened? I
know those buildings well. I was there
when they were built in the early '7s
and the steel in those things is
stronger than any building in New York."
And there's no way.
>> But now you think about the nature of
ritual and what was created was a
holocaust, which is literally a mass
burning. And uh this is
I don't know if you remember the movie
called Wicker Man.
>> The Wicker Man. It was a it was kind of
a film about these pagan Satanists,
right? Who they do a a ritual around one
of the equinoxes. I think it was like a
summer equinox.
And they do like a they have this guy in
this town realizing that these guys are
witches. And all of a sudden he finds
himself inside of this massive wicker
man being burned alive.
And it's played out every summer, by the
way. in a festival called Burning Man.
>> Yeah.
>> Here in uh Nevada, I guess, right? In
the desert, the Burning Man ritual.
The burning of the man annually. So, I
mean, this again, these are ritual
things that people partake in without
understanding what they're giving their
energy to.
>> That's right. That's exactly right.
So I mean up until the second world war
it would have been obvious to every
western man that life revolves around
ritual and that ritual
>> describes to us concepts that our brains
are not capable of fully grasping.
>> You know the communion in Christianity
it's like yeah
>> there's a great debate over exactly what
that is but it's the center to the
practice of the religion
and it doesn't make any sense from a
scientific point of view. you're
ingesting the flesh and blood of Jesus.
Like what?
>> But to Christians, um, again, it's it's
the Holy Eucharist.
>> Mhm.
>> And that makes sense to people because
there's no other way to describe the
things that are
>> of this life. They're that profound. So,
um,
>> but our understanding of
>> how central ritual is to life has just
been stripped from us completely. So, we
we totally miss it. We don't even know
that the Pentagon gets hit on the 60th
anniversary of its
of the beginning of its construction.
That's so
>> it's well you think about the nature of
well first of all like television has a
lot of it has like disrupted like ritual
cycles and whatnot like the cycles of
our you know of our energy of
>> going down with the sunset like you know
coming in sitting around the earth
telling stories yes listening to the
spirit to the again being more connected
to the spiritual world now the spiritual
world does come in through television
>> it's just not the way we imagine it
because we think this is like something
different but it's all going into our
psyche And so the as you know the brain
it's processing it the same you know how
do you say it's processing and and
taking this information just as it would
reality. So it's a it's it's definitely
affecting the way we interface with
reality.
>> Yes.
>> And um and again this goes back to what
we talking about the power of the magic
of media. And um I think you know people
that are storytelling
they you know they can be some are some
are practicing darkness. I think others
are practicing light and I think there's
those that are just unaware
unconsciously
perpetuating things.
But there does seem to be something very
dark in Hollywood and it's it's like a
subversion. you grew up there. So, did
you sense that?
>> What I sense with Hollywood is
um
there's definitely more like there's
definitely like let's be clear uh
there's definitely a Babylonian quality
to it, right? There's definitely uh
>> people
there's debauchery. I mean, you know,
it's like everyone knew Harvey Weinstein
>> was a monster.
>> Yeah.
>> Not just with women. He was a monster
with business,
>> of course.
>> And
>> I I knew him. I knew that,
>> right? I mean, everyone knew that he
was. But he was just accepted.
>> And it's just like kind of like the
casting couch. It's just like, oh, it's
just accepted. This is the way things
are. You know, the Epstein, I'm sure
people, you know, I'm sure a lot of
people knew what Epstein was. I I never
heard about him be, you know, before 20
whatever 16, 17, 18, what in that time
frame. But like I'm sure a lot of people
that were around him just knew like, oh
yeah, you know, he's into this or he's
into that because it's people talk,
right? But it's amazing how unless
you're part of those circles, you don't
really know what's going on. And that's
why to this day people will say, "Well,
JFK, the assassination, uh, it must, you
know, they couldn't have kept the
secret." I'm like, people in the no have
talked, but you're just not in the no
because it hasn't been perpetuated
through media. So unless it gets
perpetuated through media, we don't hear
about it and we don't think it exists.
Yeah. I mean that you what you just said
the truest thing that I didn't
understand until later in life, even
though I spent my whole life in the
media. Um the idea that like if it's
more than two people, no one can keep a
secret. Well, none of these secrets have
been kept. They're all out there. I've
heard a lot of this stuff a million
times. I just discounted it and it was
not part of the prevailing story we were
told. So I just didn't think it was
real.
>> Like like didn't um wasn't it not Cardi
B? What's her name? One of these rappers
just came out talking about like all
this stuff in the Epstein they're
eating. She said in the music industry
they're they're eating babies and
drinking blood. Y'all you know which
which rapper was it? Was it Cardi or
>> I don't know. Every week there's a new
rapper revealing the truth but no one
takes them seriously because they're
rappers.
>> Yeah. Exactly. But she said something to
this effect and you know like Mariah
Care's sister said that you know when
she was a kid she grew up she she talked
about it before she died. Mariah Care's
sister um and uh it's in the best kept
secret docue series um that I put out
but basically she said like she grew up
with things that were like done that
were you know indescribably horrible you
know like you can't fathom. Um and she
she died like few years after that. She
but she came out saying it. People will
sometimes come out and say things and
it'll be like a blip. And I think this
is my way of thinking is more like
if in the middle of the night I see
something fly across the sky, which I've
done like driving in Beverly Hills
driving home at like 2:00 in the
morning. I saw like a craft, you know,
fly overhead. Not so fast. It was more
like a It was almost I I don't I don't
want to say like it almost would be like
an advanced version of a stealth bomber.
It wasn't a stealth bomber, but it was
like a craft that was moving very fast,
low to the ground, right over Beverly
Hills. So, I look at that and go, "Okay,
I've just glimpsed reality." Someone
else might go, "That's just crazy. I'm
just going to ignore that."
>> Right?
>> You know, so to me, I'm like, "Okay,
this is this is this is what's really
going on. I want to look over here now."
And that's just the way that I see
things. And other people will just be
like, I once saw a UFO, but you know
what? That's just so crazy. I'm just
going to go back to the mundane world.
>> That's exactly right. That's exactly
right. But big picture of people trying
to are trying to understand not simply
are they eating babies, but why would
someone do something like that?
>> Yeah. Well,
>> you get to the nature of the deal that
every person faces. I think
the potential which is the same as the
temptation of Jesus. bow down before me
and all this will be yours.
>> Yeah.
>> But in exchange for whatever you're
getting, bloodshed
>> Yeah.
>> is the cost.
>> Yeah.
>> Because the pravity. It's like you know
once you've once you've it's like the
dog that's like tasted blood, right?
It's the uh you know, you can't go back.
You've you've crossed a threshold.
You've crossed a a barrier that we're
not supposed to to cross, right? Thou
shalt not kill. Okay. Well, if you do,
you're probably going to have remorse.
If you do it just, you know, especially
just for defense purposes, you're still
probably going to have some level of
remorse.
I know sociopaths don't.
>> No, that's right.
>> So, there's like a whole other caliber
of psychology and maybe demon possession
there, but as humans, we would have
remorse, but once you've gone back, you
can't take that back, can you? Like,
you've stained your soul.
That's something that you can't, you
know, you can steal something and make
amends. You can, you know, you can, all
crime is theft, but there's different
degrees of theft, right? You can steal
people's time, you can steal their
energy, you can steal belongings, but if
you steal life, there's no how do you
return that?
>> There's no restitution.
I'm extrapolating out to the, you know,
to the scale of empire here and trying
to understand why empires tend to commit
themselves to war even when they don't
get anything out of it.
>> And I and
>> someone's getting out of it. I mean,
>> I just wonder though if like the cost of
staying on top isn't killing people just
by its nature.
>> Yeah. Well,
and again, I mean, different arguments.
I mean, you go back to like what was the
point of Vietnam? You know, if Vietnam
fell to the communists, like what the
heck does that have to do with anything?
>> What's the point of the Russia Ukraine
war? Why would you want to keep that
going?
>> The only thing that you're getting out
of that is, you know, you know, weapons
testing and money transfers and all that
stuff, but ultimately what you're
getting is millions of dead people.
>> Yes. Blood.
>> Maybe that's the point. Maybe it is
blood sacrifice.
>> Right. Right. To a degree. I think
that's from a higher perspective there
does seem to be truth to that and I
think look this is realm of mind right
we've since the fall of Adam and Eve we
fell into mind so before this there was
order there was perfect it was perfectly
guided let's say and then we fell the
story is not just Adam and Eve it's
Atlantis it's all these things right
they fell into the mind
>> what does that mean the mind
>> everything we experience is the mind we
don't know anything outside of our own
minds,
right?
>> So before the fall, we existed.
>> Well, we didn't have Well, I mean,
presumably we we if if we trusted like
the Lord basically just had perfected
and ordered everything. We didn't have
choice. We didn't have free will. We
didn't have mind. We didn't have
anything to mirror. We saw ourselves for
the first time. The mind is like a
mirror. Self-awareness. I am separate
from you. If everything before that it
was just oneness, right? It was just,
you know, you just you knew you you were
you you could be. I mean, it's kind of
like an angelic order, let's say.
>> I mean, again, we're we're making
assumptions here, but essenti what we
know is that with self-awareness
comes this idea of separation.
And so, we are in a realm of mind where
everything gets mirrored in some way.
Every thought has to has to with
manifest comes separation. And that is
yeah the illusion of separation. I mean
ultimately I believe that we're all from
the same oneness and I believe it's
God's universe. So there's really
nothing to be afraid of right because
we're all you know if we choose we we
can go we can you know ascend higher. We
can go back to the light. Um but there's
no they say the illusion of separation
is that it's just an illusion. Um if our
ego feels separate our ego feels like
you know I'm me this is my body. This is
my name. This is what I've done. So
that's why I say it's a battle between
ego and higher self. Higher self is like
no we're just instruments of the
creator. I can let go of ego now. I
don't have to feel like anything belongs
to me. Anything I do is you know not
mine. You know glory to the creator.
We're just instruments here. We're just
playing our roles. And yes,
>> you know, hopefully this is well, I
believe, you know, this is all for our
evolution in understanding and
recognizing, hopefully developing more
empathy, more, you know, more
compassion, more love. That's should be,
you know, I think our goal on this
planet. Um, but yeah, in the realm of
mind, mind has to go somewhere. So if I
have hateful thoughts, it has to go
somewhere. Does it project? How does it
how does it as we know like if I have
hateful thoughts or angry thoughts it
has to it's going to be the way I treat
my children my loved ones my family my
friends it's going to go somewhere it's
going to go into war it's going to
manifest somewhere
>> right and that's where we are still in a
place of strong polarity right
everything is being you know as light as
it is as dark it is as it is in this
realm so it has like that energy has to
go into into war until we clean up our
thoughts thoughts and stop hating each
other.
Until then, we're going to have war.
But there's also a sense in which
bloodshed, war, violence, killing
is
the food
that keeps the dark energy.
>> Yeah. But it starts with it starts with
us. Like every like that's the whole
that's the that's why I just say like
the good news is they don't have any
power unless we give it to them.
If we give them power, if we give them
attention, if we give them energy, if we
feed them our fear, that's what Christ
was saying. Let you know, let go of the
fear. Just have faith. Let faith replace
the fear. And that was what I had to go
through in my, you know, 2 three year
journey of like having these dark
experiences and like being haunted by
things that were like energetically t
like tangible in my reality. Was like,
okay, I surrender. Like I surrender to
the higher power. I have I have faith so
you can't have my soul because it
doesn't belong to you.
And I think that's the point is if every
one of us just in our own lives takes
inventory okay let we have fears it's
you know it's natural some fears are
like deep right and paranoid others are
you know just existential like there's a
there's a predator there's a threat okay
but if we can like face our fears own
our fears and find deeper faith
we will create a better reality because
the dark will have less food it's it's
our choice does it feel Like some social
media are designed to inspire fear and
hate, of course, because again, it's
just it's being perpetuated through
through people that are unconscious. I
would say like they I don't think
there's that many like dark sorcerers in
the world. I think there are a few I
think there are definitely some people
that that commune and know what they're
doing, you know, like ritualistically.
But I think most people are just
unconscious and they're just seeking
worldly delight, worldly temptation,
worldly power.
>> Yes.
>> Right. And they're just unconsciously
not sure why, but they're just like,
well, that seems safe.
You know, I don't want to lose my I
don't want to lose what I have. I don't
want to, you know, I want to maintain
and preserve, but you can't. This world
is ephemeral. It's passing, right? We
know this. Um, it's the way it's
designed. We're supposed to be able to
let go and again commune with a higher
power. And that's the greater energy.
And that actually was what really
preserves you. That's when you get to
that place of you know what the saints
and things people like that can glow and
that can actually like emit you know
emit light right you know the you know
all these examples of what like what
Christ is
this is where we're supposed to we're
supposed to uh imitate is to try to
bring more light into the world. And so,
um, if we're not, how do you say,
if people are not there, but they're
putting out these things, they're just
reflecting themselves. So, a lot of
these, going back to Hollywood, like a
lot of these creators are just, that's
the level that they're at. Their
consciousness is at that level. Their
consciousness is full of, you know,
their mind is full of, you name it,
perversion, negativity, angst, fear. So,
they're perpetuating that. They're not
coming from a higher modality. They're
not coming from a higher place. But it's
just that's they can only reflect what
they are.
>> Do you think it's more obvious in
Hollywood than in other places?
>> Um power centers. I mean there's a lot
of power centers. London is London is a
power center. Hollywood's a power
center. New York is a power center. I
mean every city is like a hub because
how much energy gets you know how do you
say like there's so many more people
there. There's so much more attention.
But obviously Hollywood is this
magnifier of you know of consciousness.
And so I think that wherever the
consciousness
goes even collectively you could say
Hollywood shifts accordingly. I don't
think Hollywood itself is like they're
sitting there going like this is the way
it is. It's like their barometer of
where consciousness is. And so it's it's
how do you explain it? It's almost like
reflecting each other.
They put out darkness. People want that.
They feed into it. That's where the
collective is. The collective wants
wants to experience this. They want to
go into darkness. They want to go into
experience the darkness. Okay.
>> When you get to a certain point, you
wake up. You say, "I'm tired of the
nightmare."
And I think that's where we are. That's
what the awakening means. I'm start, you
know, it's like people saying, "Okay,
you know what? Enough of the nightmare.
Let's let's let's change the story." and
people rejecting Hollywood accordingly
and saying, "Yeah, unless you guys shift
the narratives, we're not going to watch
your content anymore. The more we shift,
the more Hollywood will shift." So, it's
it's it's a dance. It's Hollywood can't
cannot survive without the audience. You
cannot, you know, drug dealers can't
can't survive without the drug addicts.
We collectively have to shift our
consciousness and everything will
change.
>> I believe that.
I notice it with AI.
Um, most people, including I think the
people who are creating AI, aren't
really exactly sure what it's going to
be.
>> Yeah.
>> Um, what the effects are going to be,
but the only publicity about AI that's
coming out of the developers of AI is
negative and terrifying.
>> Mhm.
>> There's been I've noticed since this for
the last three or four years, there's
been no real effort to explain to you or
me or anyone how this is going to be
great for us. Mhm.
>> And a lot of effort put into telling us
this is going to end everything that we
love, including human autonomy,
>> our jobs, our economy. It'll basically
be a slave state run by machines. That's
what they're telling us. The people who
are making it are telling us that.
>> And so my instinct is they're trying to
terrify us for some reason. And it may
just be because that feeds the dark
spiritual powers that are creating
creating it. Yeah. I think I think AI is
just like everything. It's just both
dark and light, you know? It's like the
internet, right? You can find the
darkest things out there. You can find
you can find great information, right?
You can find the books of the world if
you want to read them.
>> And it's just going to be a question of
where human consciousness will take it.
Um, you know, again, I I I believe that,
you know, again, because this is God's
universe, I do have like a more positive
view of like where all this is going.
When we were post 911, it was a dark I
could feel the darkness, man. I could
feel it before 911. I could feel war
coming from about 2000, the year 2000,
2001. I was like feel like I could feel
the energy of war and the darkness of
the 2000s. I felt like war on terror was
literally terror. It was it was about
terror. It was about terrorizing
everybody,
>> you know. It was literally like
terrorizing the public. Exactly.
>> It was terror for everybody, the
American public, the broad. So the um
that era was like you know this shift in
in in consciousness was um you know
again it was a pretty dark phase. I
think now we are almost like operating
in different realities simultaneously
which is kind of cool you know and I
think it's almost I feel more like
choose your adventure. What do you want
to do with you know with technology?
What do you want to do with the world
you know that that you're in? and um and
just trust that it's this this is all
like
this is all like for our evolution as
souls
um to return you know to basically be
reminded of the light to return to the
light ultimately to reassend I hope you
know in time I think that's you know
that would be the the goal right is to
return to a state of of um you know more
closeness to God that's but you have to
be separated to want to go back Right.
>> A lot of people are looking forward to
going back right now all of a sudden.
Um, so we're told that there's going to
be some kind of disclosure about UAPs,
UFOs
>> by the federal government. What are
UFOs?
>> So I think we have reverse engineer
technology that's been talked about for
a long time. Um,
certainly like Roswell is a famous
incident. From what my understanding of
it, something did crash and there was a
huge military response and then you know
the idea of a weather balloon and then
they changed the story twice. It was
originally like yeah weather balloon and
then it was like some other thing.
>> They basically the guy like they had the
guy that was there initially uh
I can't remember the name. He was a
military intel guy. He took it back to
like his family like a piece of the
metal and it was it was like very strong
but at the same time it was like you
could actually like slightly bend it but
it would come back and it was unlike any
metal they'd ever seen. So this was this
this was described by him and then his
son but he was uh basically forced to
take the photo the famous photo. I think
his name is Marcel like he was had the
famous photo of like holding the the
weather balloon
>> and to say like it was it was just a
weather balloon and like he basically
was forced to take that picture.
>> Um
I think since that time we've been
reverse engineering. I've talked to way
too many people who are part of black
programs or, you know, have seen, you
know, we have a secret space program.
The US space force is older than than
Trump. Like they basically brought it
from like the hidden to the more public
side now. Um, but uh, for example, I
talked to Dr. Fred Bell. Do you remember
do you know him at all? Fred Bell was a
very famous guy in the uh alien the UFO
community because he had worked with the
government and he was also writing books
about like alien technology and
consciousness and things like this
quantum physics. Brilliant guy. So we
interviewed him for conspiracy theory,
the show I used to do with Jesse
Ventura, and he was talking about mind
war, like using frequency for like, you
know, affecting people's thoughts and
being able to affect people at a
distance, right, through various tech
technologies. But off the record, he was
like, "I shouldn't tell you guys this
because my CIA my CIA handler would not
be happy with me, but I've been to the
one of like some of these underground
military facilities." And he's like,
"I've even met what you would call like
a gray alien." Like he's like, "I shook
hands with one, you know, and he's like,
"They're, you know, they're down there
like in these facilities. We have these
these joint partnerships."
Within 24 hours of that conversation,
off the record, he was dead. He died in
his hotel room before he could before he
could leave uh Minnesota where he was uh
>> after your interview.
>> Doing the interview. Yeah. Yeah. He died
of a heart attack.
>> A lot of people involved in the space
program in a kind of spooky science
connected to the federal government have
died or disappeared recently.
>> Yeah.
>> Like a lot. It's like 11 that they've
confirmed missing or dead.
>> Yeah, it seems like a lot.
>> Nuclear. Yeah. From everything from like
fusion programs to NASA scientists. Um
certainly in the age of U of disclosure
which we've been living through the last
few years. It's cur it's more curious.
Uh at first I thought people were saying
like the ch they were suspecting the
Chinese. But do you remember look I mean
we still never got an answer to those
drones.
>> No New Jersey. last year they were all
over not just Jersey they were all over
like from eastern seabboard right
Virginia I mean multiple states I mean
you get this kind of stuff all the time
you know these anomalies
>> I actually asked about that um because
Trump was going to disclose what it was
remember during the campaign he said I'm
going to get to the bottom of this and
>> and then he said ah it's not a big deal
and I asked I got a it's not a big deal
>> Epstein Epstein's not a big deal
>> not a big deal it's
>> but what were
Listen, I I look at this world. I mean,
you ever see those paintings, some of
those old paintings, and you see like
these little drone looking
>> things in them.
>> I just look at this world like we are
being observed. You know, the watchers,
>> they're again dark and light. They're
observing this this experiment of the
fall, right? We've fallen, but God is
always watching. God's permitting. And
you know, there's beings that are
interested in our genetics, that's for
sure. Um, the eugenics thing is ancient.
>> Why are eugenics is an ancient?
>> Well, we talked about it like the idea
of um creating humans, some of which
were of royal bloodline or from like
deities and others are just more like
>> workers. Um, I think it's ancient. I
mean, isn't it curious like the
different races, you know, where do we
do we all just come from one race and we
become like darker skinned, lighter or
are we actually like the different blood
lines, right? They're different blood
types. So, is it just evolutionary or is
there something else, you know, going on
in terms of I think you know genetics
connects to consciousness because as we
know like the eugenics interest it's
extreme. I mean, by the way, we gave
birth to Hitler because the eugenics
conferences were here first. They were
British American eugenics conferences
and a lot of them yeah were racist.
Absolutely. But the interest in the idea
that like um
consciousness as we talked about if the
brain and the like is a receiver then of
course different genetics are going to
receive information differently. You
know the body you how we experience
reality is is through this body.
So isn't it if you know if we believe in
souls and you know the uh the journey
that we go through in our life our body
is very connected to that experience.
So, of course, there's a fascination
with, you know, how much
um is it contingent on on our genetic
makeup and our propensities. For
example,
I for about 50 years in the United
States, it was basically
not allowed for people to mention any of
this in public because it was Hitler
stuff or whatever they said about it.
>> They changed the name. They called it um
they changed it from eugenics to uh
what's the Cold Spring Harbor? They're
doing at Cold Spring Harbor basically
the same research. It's just genetic uh
what's the the term for it anyway? They
it's just it's they call it genetic
research now and like you know bio you
know they they they research biotech I
think we call it
>> yeah biotech and things like this but
it's the same principles not not not
maybe not based in the same racism but
some of it's I'm sure some of these
people are still racist like Epstein who
was called everybody [ __ ] that wasn't
Jewish right I mean some of these guys
are still racist um but yeah I mean they
they just they just changed the the name
um it's just interesting that even as
the public has been absolutely
banned from talking about this stuff.
The people in charge are very fixated on
genetics.
>> Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. That doesn't surprise
you. Why should it I mean, what again if
if this vehicle it's it's it's pretty
interesting technology. I mean, the
body's incredible technology. That's
what freaked me out so much during CO
was like the whole mRNA
uh delivery system, right, that they
were trying to inject us with. And as a
lot of people were warning that mRNA
technology can start to affect your
genome and might be passed on to your
children.
>> I think it's been confirmed now,
>> right? So it's pretty pretty scary stuff
that they were just mass injecting
>> into hundreds of millions of people. But
then and now we know that it can affect
your DNA.
>> I think that's beyond dispute. But I
haven't read any followup and like okay
what you're changing human beings
generationally. What are the likely
effects of this? And that's that's the
transhuman agenda. So transhumanism,
transhumanism you could say is the
evolution
of eugenics
to the place where a lot of these elites
want to um biologically re-engineer the
human and arguably they want to get us
to a place where they can merge us with
the AI, the machine consciousness to
make us well you could say like an an HG
Wells type of scenario, right? You have
the elite who and some of whom love, you
know, the idea of like Elon Musk, you
know, connect me to the machine, connect
me to the computer so that I can be
smarter, right? And uh and then, you
know, arguably those that are, you know,
more mundane will either not have the
ability or they'll be connected in a way
that they can be more controlled. Is
this what we're going towards? You know,
a cyborg type of future.
>> Seems clear, right? It's certainly
feasible. I don't think in the next 5
years but probably 20 30 years and
beyond you could see a whole new
humanity. What do you think the point of
the co exercise was?
>> H
um
multi-layered
they they wanted I mean it seems that
they wanted to shut down the world and
and print money on mass. They know they
didn't have a war like to do it right
without a great war. they needed some
kind of, you know, conflict. This
exercise was a way of, I think, testing
consciousness to see how pliable
compliant people are. And obviously, it
was, like I said, frightening just to to
to see your friends and neighbors just
becoming like
>> the Borg, you know, in Star Trek, just
obey, wear your mask, do not question.
If you question, you're crazy, you're
dangerous, you know, you should be. At
some point they were talking about
moving people to concentration camps for
quarantine camps. They were talking
about um digital tracking. I don't think
they achieved fully what they could have
or what if the dark side had won let's
say prevailed. We could have you kidding
me? We could have been what Chomsky said
those of us that were unvaxed we could
have been pushed out of society. You
know they could have created a total
digital you know verification of how
many shots you've had and you know if
you obeyed or not. I mean the the social
credit system of like you know a
communist society they could have gone
all the way. I don't think they they
they I don't think they won that battle
but I think it was a big test to see
where our human consciousness was.
>> I notic you didn't mention public health
as one of the reasons for that campaign
>> shifting our which in which aspect
>> well the inherent threat of the virus
that didn't play any role in this. The
virus was a perfect virus in so far as
it was very contagious and I think we
all got exposed to it and I think the
virus does have long-term effects that
we should work to clean out. But things
like ivormectin and other can help us
with cleaning that out of our system.
But it wasn't like a particularly deadly
virus. No, I mean just look at the
numbers. It was deadly with if you had
two plus coorbidities and you were over
70 years old. Yeah, that was that was
dangerous. But anyone who was paying
attention, you know, I was we knew about
ivormectin, we knew about um
hydroxychloricquin,
um vitamin C, zinc. I mean, just, you
know, health protocols, being in the
sun, fresh air, all the things you would
normally think would be healthy,
>> you know, keeping your weight normal.
>> Yeah.
>> So, last question, where So many things
are happening at once right now. One
thing I've noticed during this
conversation is you seem completely
unsurprised, unpleased by all these
crazy things going on because you've
just seen the world through this vantage
for so long that like doesn't surprise
you. Is that fair?
>> Yeah. I think that uh when you when
you've been growing up seeing conspiracy
reality,
>> which I saw since I was like six, seven
years old and my dad made JFK.
um you don't I don't try to assume
anything because I'm not in a position
of one of the elites that's you know
apparently you know making these types
of decisions right
>> um so
>> but you see a UFO and you say I'm
looking not at an anomaly but at reality
>> yes
>> yeah so that's a different way of
looking at the world so um and probably
a better one but given that worldview
you see now the unresolved war in
Ukraine this new war in Iran, which
seems like it is already a global war.
Who knows?
>> The promise of UAP disclosure,
the rise of these terrifying dystopian
technologies, mass surveillance, AI,
>> yeah,
>> all happening in like a 5year span.
>> What is all of this? They're clearly
connected phenomena.
>> They're definitely connected phenomena.
Um,
any one of these things would have been
enough to like fry my 30-year-old brain
if these had happened in 1999.
I guess it was well, look, the the the
NATO war against Serbia was pretty was
it was relatively isolated, but that
region of the Balkans, but you know,
that region was just devastated by, you
know, that era. I keep emphasizing to
people, look, the world ended many many
times already. I think if we lived
through World War II,
we it can you imagine like the
devastation of that time period? I mean,
maybe 100 million dead. Um the entire
world, you know, engaged at some level
of the conflict. Um just I think that we
can't really we have to get back to like
kind of primary principles of okay is it
really as bad as we might the mind might
want it might want it to believe you
know and the fear wants us to believe.
>> Yes.
>> So I don't like to give get into those
like those give into those fear
narratives. I um I I truly believe that
the light is prevailing. people are
waking up every time something, you
know, is occurring. We're in a time now
where it's like thanks to the social
media component, as much as we can say
like, yeah, there's benal things,
there's like degrading things, there's
things that maybe like take us out of
ourselves or into our lower self,
there's also so much revelation coming
at the same time, right? So, we can have
these conversations now that listen, I
couldn't talk about the the the
pedophilia cannibalism stuff back in the
2000s when I first found out about it
because, you know, I was reading like
the Franklin about the Franklin scandal
and the Franklin cover up and things
like this, right? This was back in the
um in the ' 80s and '90s that they were,
you know, the trafficking ring. remember
>> right in Franklin and it had to do with
Larry King who was very high up in the
Republican National Committee and um you
know stories like this that I knew about
>> a different Larry King.
>> Yeah, a different Larry King. Exactly.
The black Larry King, not uh not not the
CNN Larry King. Um and you know I
couldn't talk about these things
publicly but gradually I've seen
consciousness awakening. It's my journey
has been so interesting in that regard.
Like I was doing conspiracy theory with
Jesse Murer back when it was shut down
because we were asking, you know, we
were asking all the right questions
apparently, but the network uh True TV
shut us down because he had challenged
uh a I think he I think it was I think
it was because of the the um the episode
that he did about um FEMA FEMA camps
maybe. Was that like he triggered
something?
>> Yeah. Yeah, but there were some things
he was we touched upon that were like,
"Okay, the show is cancelled." So
nowadays, you know, if he'd wanted to,
you know, we could have shifted it to
like, you know, a Tik Tok channel or
something. We could have we could have
continued it. Um
>> all these conversations that we were
having about the the Skinwalker Ranch.
Now there's shows on Netflix about
Skinwalker Ranch.
>> Um the UAP stuff, you know, coming out,
the hybrid programs, the reverse
engineering being discussed in Congress.
So I feel like the awakening is more
important than the events themselves.
The events themselves because look this
is a reality where unfortunately yes
like it's painful it's full of
suffering. There's sorrow. Our loved
ones are going to die one way or
another. Everything's going to pass in
this world. Right? So what what matters
is where are we awakening to the
reality? Are we seeing the spiritual
forces that are that are at work? And if
we can again choose light instead of
darkness, I do believe we can create a
better reality. Uh but it starts with
with awakening and realization. Not
being we're going to put this in the
corner. We're not going to discuss the
pedophilia. No, that's being discussed
openly now. We're not going to discuss,
you know, the rape and murder and
cannibalization of kids. No, we're going
to discuss that because by becoming
aware of it now, we can get to a place
of okay, all this all of this somehow
exists in our reality.
Let's choose a let's choose a better
version. Let's choose better version of
reality, right? Where this doesn't
happen as prevalently if at all.
>> So the awakening is worth the suffering
that leads to it.
>> It's the only way. It's the only way to
awaken is to suffer. It's what Buddha
even Buddha sees suffering in the world.
He says, I want to understand what's
causing this. Get to the heart. You
know, he wants to awaken, right? He
wants to create a more compassionate
reality even though he knows that
suffering will still exist. So it
doesn't have to be as evil as
cannibalizing, you know, people and
murdering women and children and all
these horrible things, but there will
still be suffering in our reality at
this point point of human experience,
right? We're still going to suffer
illness and old age and and death
>> um until
you know God decides that we enter a
more golden age.
>> Sean Stone, thank you very much.
It's a pleasure.