I keep seeing tweets about how everyone
should be taking erectile dysfunction
medication. Is that true?
>> Lowgrade whatever it Yeah. Like low.
>> So Tadalapil which is the uh generic
name for Seialis was developed first as
a prostate health drug and then people
took more of it and realized that at
higher dosages it can be effective for
erectile dysfunction.
>> But low dose is good for prostate
health. low dose like 2.5 to 5
milligrams per day is very helpful for
profusion of the prostate and also it
causes vasoddilation in the brain. So
things like strokes I mean you want
blood flow right you don't want
excessive blood flow but you're you've
got a headache from it but our uh chair
of male sexual health and neurology at
Stanford Mike Eisenberg he came on the
podcast and he said pretty much every
male over 40 or so should be taking
about 2.5 to 5 milligrams per day.
>> Does it still get you pretty hard too?
It definitely will improve. Just
>> curious. [laughter]
>> It it it will definitely um it will
definitely notch up like erectile
strength, but unlike you know some
health people out there, I I'm not like
using the calipers to measure the
strength.
>> You're not putting [snorts]
>> I ask someone else to measure and and
and and she tells me that like you know
not you know it's all good. She's
telling her close her hand close her
hand if she can.
>> Well, no. I've never actually I've never
actually subjected to the grip test. Um,
you know, I don't want to tempt anybody.
Um, but in all seriousness, you know,
the drug this drug that was developed
for vasoddilation, which is now used for
erectile dysfunction, it really was
developed first as a prostate health
drug and a lot of sitting. The the
prostate's weird, too, because it
doesn't get a lot of blood flow compared
to other tissues. Doesn't have as same
immune system. Yeah. Well,
>> what if you sit with the You're keling
all day. So, you know, we realized, you
know, Chris had to pull up to this
little piece of tape so we didn't catch
him kegling over the desk, [laughter]
you know, kegling. Keegling.
>> Isn't it I I kind of feel like it could
just be a a sigh up to normalize
erectile dysfunction medication by dudes
that have got erectile dysfunction. Like
by doing that, every man should be
taking it that nobody is on the outside.
>> It's fair.
>> The I take the six the it's like five to
six milligrams in the morning.
>> You do it in the morning.
>> Yeah. Every morning there.
>> What's a what's a little tro What's a
little mint? Is that half? What's like a
>> Oh, I don't know. I I mean, you can get
>> that full one. Is that a full one or a
half one?
>> Of what? The toadal.
>> Well, the I'm saying they it depends on
the prescription that you're given,
right? So, like the six milligram thing
is supposed to be for prostate health.
But if you were like to get 25 50
obviously that's like massive blood flow
and you're you're gonna you're gonna
take note
>> and and it can drop blood
>> strong and it can and it can disrupt you
know lower blood pressure slightly and
things like that cuz you you vasa
dilation so you know all the pipes are
getting a little bigger.
>> Yeah. So but
>> let's all take one right now and see
like how whoever gets the erection last
wins.
>> Yeah. [laughter]
>> I have a strong mind. Um,
this is not the podcast I signed up for.
[laughter]
>> But it all but to your point, it
probably does feel safer for guys to
call up their doctor and go, "Hey, I
heard this podcast. I heard some, you
know, MDPhD from Stanford, not me, but
Mike Eisenberg said that I should be
getting better profusion in my prostate
and I should take 2.5 to 5 milligrams of
Tadalo, you know, and and there they
just avoided all the statements about
Seialis, ED,
and then, you know, they call another
doctor and get a duplicate prescription
and now they're taking double. You you
can assume that some of that happens,
but it's also cost like pennies. It's
generic now. The patent is out.
>> Do you know the story about how Viagra
was found? I only know that it was very
quick to market. It's one of these like
remarkable discovery to suddenly like it
was on the market. Um, and that's just
tells you how badly certain people
wanted it on the on market and to use
it.
>> The story was that they were trying to
do something I think it was for angina.
It was more heart stuff and they found
typically when uh medical trials
finished and they ask people to give the
medication back, people don't have any
issue in doing it. And no one wanted to
give the medication back. Like no.
>> And then they also noticed when the
nurses were going in to do the checkups
on the people during the trial that the
guys were sitting weird.
>> They were all like sitting like
cross-legged to cover themselves up. And
uh from that they said, "Yeah, there's
been this sort of weird side effect to
this angina medication that you've been
giving me." And uh I feel like I'm 14
again. Well, the younger guys are
probably going to want to get on the
toadil too, but maybe not for the same
reasons. It does upregulate either
sensitivity or number of androgen
receptors, so your body can respond more
and better to whatever circulating
testosterone you have. So, there a bunch
of things that make it like a useful
tool. But at this very low low dose, it
will make you a little ruddy like a
little, you know, like it makes you a
little bit red.
>> Well, just cuz blood flow to it's to
everywhere, you know. I'm sure British
You know what I mean? Like a pink evil.
>> You know, a lot of pro athletes take the
low dose before games, too.
>> Is that for anxiety?
>> Uh, I think just they just the increased
blood flow is something that they want.
>> Protect anxiety.
>> Lowers blood pressure a little bit.
That's why I was saying if you take it
later in the day, it can assist kind of
like feels like, you know, like a half
like like a half [ __ ] [clears throat]
like half a cocktail. Be
>> careful using half. No pun intended. I
thought you like
>> Nothing is safe in this room, you know.
Comedians and [ __ ] like, you know, I'm
Yeah. [laughter] You know,
>> I want to know your morning routine.
>> Mine?
>> Yeah. Matt, Andrew spent for a long time
like optimizing people's mornings. I
want to know what your morning routine.
>> I Well, I heard you were talking about
cortisol for a while. So, I was waking
up and just chugging coffee being like,
I'm up in my cortisol. And I would have
like a panic attack in my office and be
like, I don't [laughter] know, man. I
don't know if I'm cut out for this. But
no, I wake up uh I wake up early, man,
like 6:30. Every other day, I'll take my
kids to school and then I just go to the
gym for like an hour.
>> Are they off on the other days?
>> No, my wife doesn't.
>> Oh, okay. I thought you like they don't
go to school every day. I was like I was
like are you adopting? Cuz that sounds
[laughter] like a good ride.
>> No, man. We uh but yeah, I'm I'm pretty
honestly I'm more locked in than I've
ever been.
>> I'm up every day 6:30 and you know I
just I work out almost every day.
>> Nice.
>> I got fat. I got like fatter than I ever
was. So I'm trying to like pay for two
years, two and a half years of bad
eating. So I'm losing.
>> You look good, man.
>> Thank you. Good.
>> You guys all look great.
>> You do the And no shame if anyone does
it. Anyone on the GLP? I'm not. I
haven't tried them yet. [clears throat]
No.
>> Is that the That's
>> You're real quiet.
>> I tried No, I tried I tried it. I tried
it in uh in 22, but I tried it after I
had lost the majority of my weight.
>> Okay.
>> And I I got down so I was like I hit a
wall at like 21 123 and I was like, I
want to get to like 200. And I took it
for like a month,
>> but I didn't eat.
>> Oh yeah.
>> And so I lost the 12 pounds and then I
was like, yeah, but I'm like I'm not
eating at all. Yeah.
>> So, I got off of it and then gained the
10 12 lb back and then I kind of just
floated there for a while. And the thing
that actually jumparted getting down
again was doing a fast. I did a fiveday
fast.
>> No water.
>> No, I had water. Okay.
>> But 5 days of no food.
>> Okay.
>> And I anticipated that I would
like I knew that once I resumed eating
that I would gain some of the weight
back, but I gained none of it back. And
then I went into a production. And on
the production, the thing is if you're
in like every scene, you you don't want
to eat a lot. Like if you're in every
scene, right? So like I would get on set
at like I don't know like the makeup
trailer like 5:30, 6:00 in the morning.
Like what do you want to eat? I'd be
like just a little bit of fruit, a
little bit of egg whites. Then you shoot
for like six hours and you break for
lunch. So you pick a little bit at lunch
and then you have to shoot the rest of
the day. So the only like real meal I
was like that was full I was having was
at the end of the day I was having
dinner and in the production just by
working I lost 25 lbs.
>> Damn.
>> And then I gained like 10 of that back.
So I'm still I'm like 190 right now. But
it's from just like basically
manipulating how I was eating and
working out.
>> Overworking yourself.
>> Was that from your show for the
>> That was from that was from the movie I
did last year.
>> Okay. And so, and then I then when I
came back, I was like, "Shit, I'm going
to gain all the weight back again." But
I just started working out more. Like
four days a week, I work out in the in
the in the mornings and just dialed in
food more, like pay attention more.
>> Yep. Yep. I have a question about the
the whole thing with comedians and
acting.
>> Yeah.
>> How come they're they're so good at it?
Like it seems like like Theo's got a I
haven't seen Bus Boys yet, but I saw the
trailer. I'm like Theo can act,
>> you know? And then I obviously like Jim
Carrey is a comedian actor all these
people like all these comedian actors
comedian actors comedian Whitney will
show up and things. So
>> is it an easy jump and if so why?
>> I think it's actually like it's really
dependent. Some can really do it some
can't. And the ones that can really do
it have the dramatic capacity to do it,
right? Like when you think of like Jim
Carrey, Robin Williams, those guys were
like incredible comedians, but they have
this darkness and sadness within them
which I think lends itself to dramatic
acting.
>> But I don't think that that's across the
board because you I've seen a lot of
comedians that are [ __ ] actors and then
some that some that really impress you.
But it's kind of like you just never
know. You just never [clears throat]
know.
>> It's hard too. You don't get feedback
when you just stand up. People laugh.
When you do when you act, people go,
>> "All right, that's fine. Keep going."
You're like, "Is that all? Was that the
best or like what what are we doing
here?" And then you I started being
like,
>> "Well, they don't like you don't even
get feedback." Then you hear someone
will do a scene and the whole like staff
will clap and you're just like, "Fuck
you. There was feedback. I'm not getting
it right."
>> Well, the thing is about you could tell
about like comedians who act, especially
at first versus like experienced actors.
Experienced actors when they yell cut
the the experienced actor doesn't turn
to the director and go what do you think
they know what they're just like you
[ __ ] come over me if you want to like
I'm not asking you for approval
>> they know how they do
>> they know what they're doing comedians
they'll go cut and they'll be like
>> what do you think like cuz they're
they're waiting cuz we're used to the
>> feedback it would be the same as being
on stage and going to the audience and
go did you like it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
You you you notice it, right? And then
>> and but like some blow you away with how
talented they are as actors, but I think
it's like it you never know who has it
and who does. It's a specific skill set.
I think
>> is it true that some actors just never
leave character?
>> I was I was listening to something about
the filming of the Outsiders, the
original movie, right? And someone was
saying that like Tom Cruz like literally
just stayed in character like the entire
film. all these stories about who does
that and like you know famously like
Daniel D Lewis Kerry did it when he was
doing the uh coffee moved me like
there's various stories about who does
it I talked to somebody who said they
were on a set and the one of the other
actors came up in character and was like
you know like doing his voice and the
director was like we're not doing this
and he was like oh okay my bad
[laughter] like like he was just like
I'm not playing with this
>> 2017 I think it was I met Peewee Herman
at an art show
>> and uh he was in the full get up.
>> Yeah.
>> And um Paul, what's his name? Anyway, in
real life, I don't even know his real
name. Yeah. And uh
>> Paul, something like [laughter] that.
And uh
>> and Lar Hamilton was there.
>> And Lar's like only Lar, right? He's on
and um I don't think he knew who Peewee
was. And Pew Herman like worked his way
through this enormous wall of mostly
women who wanted to get near Lar. And um
and was like, "Hi, that's so nice to
meet you." And he was like talking to
there's this moment where it was like
Lar Hamilton and Peewee Herman. He was
just fully in care the lipstick the
everything.
>> Yeah. I mean so look I I get how
>> this was out in the world. It was it was
like a West Hollywood art show.
>> Yeah.
>> I get how if you're really into
character and kind of stay that way
between you know setups and shots. Like
it can help especially if it's like a
really involved thing. But I mean I
think there's probably there's limits to
where you want to take that. I've heard
that like the most extensive was like
Jim doing Andy Kaufman. Like there's a
lot of stories about how he was just
never breaking from that, but I don't
think that that's mostly what people do
when you talk about like method acting.
>> Yeah. I my method is I I drink a ton of
Dunkin Donuts coffee and I think about
my face the entire time.
>> I just go like what is my face doing
right now? [laughter]
>> There's anxiety from caffeine. You drink
a lot of You mentioned it three times.
You're like, "If I drink a cup of coffee
at noon, I'm effed." And then you're
like, "I wake up in the morning, I slam
a coffee." Allude, you know, you're
like, "I drink before actually a good
actor." Problem.
>> No. No [ __ ] You know who's a really
good actor? This guy. They do these ads
for Newton and these other things. I'll
see it on Instagram. Like this is It
actually passes for
>> I can't stop thinking about the fact
that you're obsessing over your face
>> the whole time.
>> What does my face look like right now?
>> Do you mean like what am I emoting? Like
>> Yeah. Like what does it just look like
I'm thinking about my face or does it
look like I'm sad? Like I don't even
have a broad range of
>> We've only met in person for a little
bit, but I'll tell you right now, you're
pretty dead pan.
>> Am I dead pan?
>> Pretty dead pan. Yeah.
>> Behind this face is just a swirl of just
emotion and chaos. [laughter]
>> Am I dead pan for real?
>> You're pretty dead pan. Yeah.
>> That's funny.
>> Yeah.
>> I don't feel dead pan.
>> All right. That's crazy.
>> I appreciate it. You're pretty You got
poker face, too.
>> I mean, you know, [laughter]
I don't but I don't act. I mean, this
guy was on reality TV, so
>> you were on last season of Ties as well.
Are you doing the next one? Do you know
if you're in that?
>> Yeah, same thing. But I again, I get
done and I'm like,
>> my face had to have been terrible.
>> Had to have been terrible. And then I
see it. People be like, I didn't realize
that was you and I'm like,
>> dissolved into the role. Yeah.
>> Because you won his dead pen. [ __ ]
>> I'm completely confused. I'm waiting for
someone to be like, you get the [ __ ] out
of here now. He
>> What are you doing here?
>> What are you doing? Get away from here.
>> I think that's a very comedian's
perspective on it. [laughter]
>> I really do.
>> Syndrome. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. And it's
he's good and that's why he thinks that
way. You know, if he was like, I'm the
[ __ ] he probably wouldn't be any good
at it. Yeah.
>> Has there been any research done on
comedians? Like if if we put Tom and
Matt in a lab, do you think there's some
scans or tests or biomarkers that you
could do on them that would identify
what they've done as a career? Oh,
>> that's a tough one. the the only science
that pops to mind is uh and Tom and I
have talked about this before, but is
like there are studies there's some
interesting studies like the the classic
studies of memory were all done on this
guy HM this patient who had damage to
the hippocampus like a critical region
of the brain for encoding memories and
you could walk in and introduce yourself
walk out and then five minutes later
walk in he would not remember your name
and they tested you know he wasn't
faking it they kept at this for decades
>> and if you told him a joke he'd laugh
and if you came back and told him the
joke again, he would laugh a little less
each time, even though he was completely
unaware that he'd heard the joke before.
So, that's kind of interesting, right?
There's something kind of unconscious.
And then I think it was you Tom that
said this that there's also something
weird about comedy which is for many
other things like visual art or music
like if you don't like opera and then
you listen to a lot of it and you start
looking for certain things and you kind
of develop a a sense of the nuance you
can start to really like it but with
comedy it either lands with you or it
doesn't and if you hear something you
don't more than once it just sounds
worse. I think that it's the most like
art is is subjective obviously and you
know you have involuntary reactions to
like I like this painting, I like this
song, right? But like what I was saying
is like you could see a painting and not
care for it. But maybe somebody comes to
you and like explains the history or the
the the the technique that was used and
then all a sudden you start to
appreciate it more. But I think if you
go like that's not funny, it doesn't
matter who tells you what. You're just
like it's not funny to me, you know? So
in that sense I think you have like the
most
>> people have completely involuntary
reaction to what they find funny or not
funny but it's pretty hard to deny good
music. I think music and beauty are two
things to sort of penetrate in that way.
Kanye dude
>> Kanye like just
>> not had a great run over the last 5
years like brandwise.
>> Mhm. He he's got such bangers that he
can sell out Sofi Stadium two nights in
a row like [ __ ] 30,000 people and
stand on top of the world and everyone
be like, "Yeah, he's still
>> unbelievable what he does." Like music's
undeniable in a way that
>> it's like the tour or something.
>> He was on top of a globe.
>> He already did that one. [laughter]
>> I heard you seen his list where he
published the people I hate list
[laughter] these lists are amazing. Have
you ever seen these? I don't have my
phone with me, but occasionally he'll
just tweet like people I hate.
[laughter] It's like a revenge list. But
what's wild, someone should find just
always [laughter]
he's on one or two of them. But then
some people show up on multiple lists.
These lists are insane. [laughter]
>> Every hate you but for different reasons
are it's kind of nice to be that free
though, too. Don't you like he says [ __ ]
and you're like, bro, come on, man. But
then you're also like this guy's so free
that he doesn't care what he says.
>> Like you just can't deny music in that
way. Like if you've got bangers, people
are just going to let
>> But to to extend that to comedy and art,
people always say, you know, it's all
subjective. But I do think that
greatness is objective. Do you know what
I mean? Like you can say like this guy
is not funny, that guy's not funny. But
if you're trying to say that like I
don't know, Richard Prior, George
Carlin, Eddie Murf, if you're like
they're not funny, I think you're
objectively wrong
>> or deaf.
>> Yeah. Like you're just you you can say I
guess you don't find it but you are
actually I think
>> wrong like greatness is greatness right
like you can't argue with a certain
level of great art
>> I suppose you might not like the genre
of someone's music but you would have to
go well look like they're a [ __ ]
savant at whatever they've done you
don't need to like hip-hop to say
>> music you're not going to say like
Beethoven's trash right like
>> would be a hot take
>> there's a hot [clears throat] take's
trash.
>> Yeah.
>> Oh yeah. No one says not for me. It's
just like it's just not for me.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> That's interesting. People are more
personal when it comes to especially
YouTubers, podcasters, right? Because
the distance between whatever the art
form is and the person is basically
zero. It's like, well, you're just you,
>> right? You're just being you. Which
means that it's not just not for me.
It's that person's a bad person. And
then it gets wrapped up in like morality
and their sense of who they are. The
same
way for like a musician, someone who
doesn't even perform with their real
stage name. Maybe they wear a mask on,
they get dressed up, and then comedians
are sort of somewhere in between.
>> Mhm.
>> Right. Because it's like it's partly
you, but partly not.
>> I don't know.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I'm fascinated by the the
comedy thing because of the different
cues. Like I said, unless they're deaf,
like if they can't actually hear the
jokes. So, I was, you know, being kind
of tongue and cheek there. But the but
in in reality like some comedians I know
this I noticed they'll like how they use
the whites of their eyes.
>> Mhm.
>> Like you know they're like this kind of
thing like they can they can punctuate
>> Oh yeah.
>> with with with eye contact and and their
expressions. There's so much of it.
Yeah.
>> Yeah. That's a huge part of it. And and
I just
>> I don't really understand physical
comedy. Like I don't really get it. I
would I have to say I wasn't really into
the the Jim Carrey movies, you know,
like [laughter]
crazy like the you know, all this
craziness, but I but I love the stuff he
acted in. I get it, you know, and um
>> I just saw somebody like at the festival
and like as soon as it got like real
wacky, I'm like, "What the [ __ ] is going
on here?" [laughter] Like, yeah, it
throws me off, too.
>> Yeah. I mean, they eventually started
animating him and it was like it became
its own character, right? You know, or
uh cartoon. Um it's wild. So yeah,
there's a lot there and I think people
are So I think some people are just
tuned to pick up on certain things and
and they there's an excitement that puts
them at this edge. This is how I always
feel as a spectator. Yeah.
>> So I I don't play music. I know nothing
about music except that what I enjoy is
one of these areas I just I'm purely a
consumer. Same thing with comedy, right?
And I feel like comedians do something
or a combination of things that bring
certain people to like this edge where
they're like ready to laugh.
>> They're like, you know, it's like the
gun's cocked and loaded. you know, and
so they're just like ready and then you
just have to let let them go. And so
some people they're hard to bring out a
bit more and they probably respond to a
different kind of humor.
>> People some people love that physicals.
I've also been I'm sure like you're in
the room sometimes in in a club
>> and someone's on stage and they are just
murdering and you're like what's going
on? Like I like you're just like I don't
even know what is happening right now.
You're watching it and you're just like
you feel like you're dissociating or
something cuz you're like
>> even as someone who's supposed to
understand what's going on.
>> Yeah. You're like I don't get it.
>> Yeah. You're you're on next. You're like
this guy sucks. [laughter]
>> Yeah. Well, there's also this
interesting memory like Tim Dylan made
me laugh so hard one time at the comedy
store
>> uh with the I am your mother like before
I saw it on on online. I saw him do that
whole bit. Is that what you call it?
Yeah. And now when I see Tim Dylan I
start laughing like I'm kind of at the
edge of laughter and I'm not expecting
him to make a joke. It's just somewhere
in my unconscious mind like that's just
associated with screwed up and I'm just
like this is gonna be so
>> he taps into something. Yeah.
>> So it's it's just
>> he's really [ __ ] good.
>> [ __ ] man.
>> Especially when he's like when he rants
on a show it's like it's impossible to
sit there.
>> I've never seen anyone better actually
as as than Tim. He's alone. It's one of
the hardest things cuz when podcasting
start like started big in comedy, it was
probably like ' 09 2010 was when people
started to like really
>> and when I would see the guys who could
sit alone and do the hour alone
>> and and make it interesting and funny.
>> I had tried it one time and I [ __ ]
died and I was I feel felt crazy myself
having a conversation with myself
>> like where'd you go build it really
well.
>> Notes help. Yeah, [clears throat] if you
at least type out some thoughts, it can
help. But just going
>> pretend conversation with yourself.
>> Yeah.
>> I do talk to myself a lot, but if you're
trying to like sell it, it's that's
tough because it doesn't usually doesn't
make sense.
>> Yeah. [laughter]
>> You're just talking about what your face
is doing. You do it alone a lot.
>> I've done it. I've done it a couple
times. It feels good when you do it and
it goes well, you feel really good. But
when you lose the thread, you're like,
>> you got to have like some place to go to
stop.
>> Alex Jones.
>> Alex Jones, the OG level [laughter] for
doing what? with just being able to solo
[ __ ] like he was the original yapper.
Yeah. Right. He could just
>> three hours a day,
>> dude. That's wild.
>> Isn't that like the Rush Limbaugh kind
of thing?
>> Yeah. Built off that, right?
>> That's true. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like
Alex Jones kind of built off Rush Limbbo
but with uh co up.
>> Yeah. Like [laughter]
Rush. Yeah.
>> Yeah. And then and then a bunch of very
costly to him false statements about
about school.
>> One particular fed misinformation.
[laughter]
He wasn't. He fed himself
misinformation.
>> Nah, it was [ __ ] I don't want to get
involved in the lawsuit. [laughter] I
don't know what happened.
>> No, I it did. He
>> But you know, I'm going with the
original news story on
>> the [ __ ] The Onion now own Info.
>> Yeah, they own Info.
>> That's so insane.
>> Yeah,
>> they bought I don't know whether
>> and is there a more Onion thing to do?
Like I know it's
>> the first video they did was an
impression of Alex Jones drinking the
blood of Christ and it was red wine and
[laughter] he's like it's available at
the InfoWars store. Like if they'd
released their own red wine under that
[laughter] brand like InfoWars red wine
blood of Christ wine.
>> Doesn't he owe like a billion dollars?
It's likeund It's like a hundred really
Jared. Ask Chad.
>> I thought it's like a hundred hundreds
of millions of dollars.
>> At least a billion. But everything
around him, even though he's apparently
a comedian and a bunch of other things
woven in there, too, gets real real real
[ __ ] quick because someone got shot
and killed on his team here in in
Austin, right? He's talking about, you
know, school shooting, murders, this
kind of thing. Like there's something he
likes to I don't think he wanted that
thing to happen to his staffer,
obviously, but stuff just runs really
into reality very fast with him. He goes
there and it comes back to him. He like
not good boundaries. Yes, it'll happen.
It'll happen.
>> No, no, no. What's the What was the What
What is Alex Jones's
>> The fine.
>> What's he being sued for?
>> No, he that I mean, he got absolutely
buried.
>> That's for the Newton thing.
>> The Sandy settlement.
>> The settlement.
>> $1.5 billion.5 billion.
>> Holy [ __ ]
>> 1.5 billion.
>> I like how you think because I have a
fee that I'm supposed to know what Alex
Jones owes.
>> No, I meant the word. We're looking for
the word.
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>> I'm still wondering if Chris's
experience on reality TV made him a
better actor or better at reality.
>> [ __ ] dude. I mean, I [laughter] was Oh
my god. That was 11 years ago. And
>> what show was it? You'll never
first through the doors of Love Island.
Brit hotties all together on me. I was
the hottie.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah, that's right.
>> Yeah. Yeah, dude. That was a
>> That's awesome.
>> It was kind of like Navy Seal Hell Week
>> but for reality TV cuz you don't get to
leave
>> like locked in this villa. No phone, no
internet.
>> But to his point with a bunch of with a
bunch of hot women. It's Yeah. Sounds a
lot like hell. [laughter] Let me call up
some my friends or teen guys. How is how
many hot women similar to your situation
right
now? A lot of sympathy. Do you find
yourself in those situ in a reality
show? There is like a bit of posturing
and like there's cameras so you have
awareness
>> literally everywhere.
>> So do you find yourself kind of like
putting on, you know what I mean?
>> To a degree. It's really weird cuz they
work super hard to try and hide the
cameras. So let's say that we were
talking here. There'd be like a plant in
the middle and the plant would have one
of those little CCTV things that they
could just spin around
>> so you're not like aware.
>> You're never really thinking about it.
And there's the huge big almost like
sports TV bazooka things and they're
over the far side. Right. So this would
be a bigger room.
>> Whoa. and there'd be [ __ ] over the far
side and they'd be zoomed in and then
the villa producer would come over and
they want to poke the story line. They
can't take three weeks for you to ask
this girl if you can kiss her. It's like
it needs to happen [ __ ] today. So
they'll come over and they go, "Uh,
>> Matt, how do you feel about Chris asking
Andrew out?" And he go, "Well, you know,
I thought we were friends and
>> really turns like we're not." And I he
felt a bit betrayed by him. He go what I
think you should do, why [clears throat]
don't you ask him to go and have a a
chat over by the fire pit. and you go
over to the fire pit and there's a
[ __ ] army of different photographer,
videographer people all around there,
but they're all outside the bounds and
you're not allowed to talk to them. You
can't talk to them. And this is the
[ __ ] maddest thing. You never knew
what time it was. And they feed you
booze, too, right? Wasn't there boo?
>> They put a limit on after my season.
>> Okay. Strategically,
>> right? Uh, but even the the camera guys
and the drivers, if you ever needed to
go off site to go and do a date or
something, they all changed the time on
the car radio. They changed the time on
their watches or took their watches off.
It was insane. You never knew what time
you went to bed or what time you woke
up. I think it's so they could control
our sleep and wake pattern.
>> Wa.
>> It was really kind of weird.
>> It's It's very cultish.
>> Yeah.
>> I think it was just so that they could
lock you into whatever you need. The
first night we were there, everyone was
super excited. We stayed up until what
must have been two in the morning, three
in the morning, and then someone got up
and you It's There's half as many beds
as there are people, so you're always
sleeping with a girl each night.
>> Oh, and then I know Hell Week. Hell
Week.
>> Yeah, it's [ __ ] butt school. Thank
you.
>> Sure, man. [laughter]
>> And did you say butt school or school?
>> And then we woke up the next morning and
they came over to Tanoi and they were
like, "Hello, Islanders. You've been
asleep for 3 and 1/2 hours. says, "Can
everyone please get back to bed?"
Because no one knew that we'd only been
asleep for a little bit of time. One
person's up and like, "Well, I guess I
guess we must have been awake for a
while." Whatever the [ __ ] So, weird. It
was wild. Not to inject some science,
but because you said they're telling you
how long you were asleep and you don't
know how long you were actually asleep,
there's some really cool data that show
within limits, if you see a great sleep
score
>> cognitively and physically, you perform
better the next day, even if your sleep
wasn't that great. Really?
>> And the reverse is also true. If you see
a lousy sleep score and you actually
slept great, your cognitive and physical
performance takes a dive.
>> Are you saying that the best wearable
like the best thing that Whoop could do
would just be to always lie to you and
tell you that you are feeling great.
>> Technically, yes, within limits. So if
you sleep 3 hours, right, and it says,
"Oh, you had a spectacular night's
sleep." You're not going to compensate
for that lack of sleep, right? So it's
when it's when you're down or up about
an hour or two of sleep. So, the the
real solution to this, sorry to make it
so serious, let's go back to Love Island
and butts or buds or whichever one it
happens to be,
>> booty school.
>> Um, the best thing to do would be to
check your sleep score against your
subjective like you write down you wake
up in the morning like feel like I slept
great
>> and then at the end of the week you
compare your score to what you how you
actually felt. So maybe check in like
every four or five days as opposed to
got a 90. I'm good.
>> Ruined today.
>> Yeah. Or more importantly, if you get a
lousy sleep score, you don't necessarily
want to let that,
>> you know, worm in your brain. But
there's like a real effect on on real
cognitive and real physical performance.
It wasn't some like like corny inlab
test. I mean, this stuff can make a big
difference, especially if you're
operating at the level that you guys are
and you're getting out there and like I
got, you know, I need to get this just
right. So anyway, sorry to inject that,
but since they did it to you, um, you
know, so did you fall in love on Love
Island?
>> I I was only there for 20 days. I don't
think that's long.
>> Dude, I've fallen in love many times in
[laughter] 20 minutes. Sometimes it
falls in one day.
>> I think I [laughter] think I I think I
read about that.
>> That was something entirely different.
That wasn't love. [laughter]
>> That happens.
>> Now I fall in love 20 times a day with
one person.
>> There you go.
>> She's so rad.
>> That's cute. That's sweet.
>> Are you threatened by the [ __ ] maxing
movement?
>> Have you heard about [snorts] this?
>> That's a great question, dude. That's a
great [laughter] question. That's a good
question.
>> Looks right at me. Yes.
>> Let me answer that the way I think you
intended it. Yes. I am personally
offended.
>> Wait. You wake up and are you like
[ __ ]
>> I'm [ __ ] maxing today. Like is that
what you think?
>> All right. [ __ ] maxing.
>> All right. It's awesome.
>> No, I actually
>> What is this? [laughter]
>> I heard of look maxing.
>> There's look maxing. Then there's a guy
who does what's called [ __ ] maxing
which is was popularized by of all
people Mark Andre who's easily one of
the smartest people I've ever ever met.
Know Mark real well. Um he's a big fan
of [ __ ] maxing. [ __ ] maxing is this
guy on the internet who
>> what you want to explain?
>> Oh I'm loving that guy. So, you know,
with all the stuff about get up in the
morning and, you know, do this and do
that and, you know, when you have a
problem or all the kind of stuff that
that, you know, Chris covers, you know,
like about emerging dynamics of male
female relationships and self-perception
and philosophy and he interviews like,
you know, real thinkers and they have
British accents and that kind of thing.
This guy sits in his backyard is
basically a farm and he does this thing
he calls [ __ ] maxing, which is where
you basically just don't think about
[ __ ] at all. You just do what needs to
be done. And if something bothers you,
you just ignore it. Wait, is this the
the the CEO that is like I don't
self-reflect.
>> So Mark Andre came on the Davidson.
Yeah. So Mark Andre started Netscape,
>> right?
>> And now he has A16Z, which is one of
the, you know, biggest investment firms
in uh in the Bay Area and all over the
world frankly. And he
came on the David Senro podcast which
used to which is a guy who also does the
founders podcast. David Senro podcast
incidentally put out by SICOM. We loved
the founders podcast. So we brought
Senra over and he brought Mark Andre on
and Mark Andre said he used the words
these are not my words. He said
>> um great men of history did not sit
around thinking about their thoughts and
introspecting. You know like
introspection is not what we need to be
doing. We need more action less
introspection. Actually Dana White kind
of doubled down on this recently
>> saying that he's not he he um is not a
fan of people men talking about their
emotional challenges publicly. you know
that it's like get up, go to war, make
money for your family, you know, sort of
the old school kind of stoicism thing.
So the the Mark Andrees thing mobilized
a big discussion online on X in
particular. One sort of angle of attack
that he opened was all right, here's a
billionaire who doesn't like
introspection and you know and and I
know Mark very well. He's not a
sociopath. He's not he's a very very
kind person. I know his family. He's an
incredible human being at many levels.
I'm going to catch a lot of [ __ ] for
saying that, but that's the truth. if
you actually know him. All right.
>> And now he's [ __ ]
>> Now, no. [laughter]
He then made a plug for [ __ ] maxing.
He was like, "Hey, there's this guy on
the internet who basically doesn't say
[ __ ] at all. He just says, just handle
your business. Do what you need to do
and stop thinking about things so much.
Don't ruminate so much." And
>> he said he was a big fan of this [ __ ]
maxing. So, building off looks maxing.
And then
>> that caught some momentum.
>> And so, now the big thing is
introspection. Like, should we
introspect? we think about and reflect
on who we are and what's challenging us
and Dana was basically saying hey listen
a lot I think the point Dana was trying
to make was that men's mental health
while critical right suicide rates are
way up like we all acknowledge that he
made a very good point which is often
times getting into action and doing
things as opposed to being online and
thinking about your problems and
rumination is a very dangerous place to
be.
>> Yeah. So he said, "Get up and work and
provide for your family." And but it
when he and Mark said these things, it
came across as a little bit dismissive
of the idea that emotions are relevant.
And I do think, you know, they have a a
point in the sense that I think we need
to balance out some of what we've been
hearing a lot of over the last few
years, which is that we need to think
about every aspect of self, every
aspect, you know, like, oh, too much
therapy is not not good, you know?
>> Yeah. if you spend your time just like
thinking and not doing. So, because it
feels like that's kind of the the note
behind the note, right? Is like if you
just sit and introspect and think and
you just sit in like I feel this way and
you never actually take action, then
you're just literally not doing
anything. But I think there's kind of
levels to like I think it's good to to
be introspective to a degree. check in
with yourself, you know, express how you
feel, but don't just sit there and say,
"This is how I feel and then don't do
anything."
>> Yeah. I mean, there's a there's a kind
of a larger
>> perhaps deeper discussion around like to
what and Mark Andre has said this as
well, like
>> people who've tended to accomplish a lot
of great things often times have some
pretty rough edges. I grew up in the
town where Steve Jobs was around. He
used to come in and get rollerblade
wheels at the skateboard shop where I
worked and like he was kind of a roughed
edge guy. He didn't wear shoes and you
know, he wanted what he wanted he
wanted. Then he was known for yelling at
people. He drive 95 miles per like you
90 this guy. [laughter] Yeah. Likes to
drive fast, you know. He got, you know,
and so there was this there was this
time up until phones with cameras. Thank
you, Steve Jobs. There was this time up
until phones with cameras where people
were kind of celebrated for being big
personalities with some rough edges, but
for the great things that they did. Now
it's there's a movement largely from the
left of like hey you know everything
needs to be rather tempered right you
you can't be a big personality unless
you're perfect in every dimension and if
you look I mean historically you look at
any public figure now like you're going
to find as you said there's that dark
and light those and Mark's whole thing
is those things go hand inand like great
CEOs oftentimes have some strong
disagreeableness they rate highly on
disagreeableness um they're
conscientious
Right. But they also are kind of high
friction people. But some of the like
you know Mark and you're like this is
good. But some really high achievers
historically even now men let's say that
are really high achievers that get a lot
of things done and have accomplished a
lot are also like from many people's
accounts like terrible people. You know
some of
>> I guess the question is how close are
those people to the actual person you
know
>> that are saying that?
>> Yeah. I mean I think right now there's a
lot of hatred of billionaires.
>> Sure. And look, I was born and raised in
in Silicon Valley. So
>> going big is like a thing. Like even my
friends have got into skateboarding in
the Bay Area. Like they weren't thinking
about bu becoming billionaires, but like
the Embarader applause in the early 90s.
Those guys like started big companies.
They went big. Rob Derick, he's from,
you know, Midwest, but then came out
shows and then like ridiculousness.
>> I mean, I have no beef with it.
>> Going big is is a theme in tech, right?
Um, and everyone uses these platforms
and everyone hates these people, but I
don't know. I'm I know some of these
people. I'm not like super close with
them, but I I like Mark. I trust Mark. I
like the other Mark. I trust that Mark,
too. Um, I know, you know, various folks
at at who run these big companies. And
>> do I think they're perfect? No.
>> No, of course.
>> Um, but I could listen, if I were start
talking about Nobel Prize winners, past
and present,
>> man, the men and the women, very
complicated people. Sure. Like you want
to do a deep dive on the complications
of science funding like look up Jonas
Sulk and who he married and getting
money and then the work that he was able
to do by virtue of his marital relations
and things. I'm not saying he used his
wife to make money
>> for funding.
>> Many there's many examples of this in
science. You know, money fuels science.
You can do more science with it.
>> Got to love some science.
>> So there's a lot of interesting and it's
not sorted. It's just sort of it's
>> they're still humans.
>> Yeah. you know. So anyway,
>> but if you've got constant CCTV because
there's a phone camera within two yards
of you everywhere on the planet, those
rough edges look a bit more harsh when
they're scrutinized. Is that what you're
saying?
>> Yeah. I mean, I have this whole opinion,
this purely opinion now about what
cameras have done to sort of what we
need in order to really make a
strong assumption about somebody. So in
the like in the past you could just say
hey this person like I don't like them
based on one thing they said and and
you're entitled to do that but I think
two things have happened in the last
couple of years that have completely
transformed like what our expectation is
about how rumor matches up with reality
at least for me
>> one would be and this is an unfortunate
it's bad incident right would be the you
know there was all this speculation
about Diddy and these Diddy parties
right and everyone expected like at some
point there's going to be a video guess
what there was never actually a video
aired, right? But there was a video of
him beating up this woman
>> that sort of raised the threshold for
what people need to see in order to be
like, "Okay, that actually happened."
Okay. The other one was this Coldplay
concert thing.
>> Like that Coldplay concert where the
couple got caught cheating or whatever,
like whatever the context of their
backdrop or the relationship was totally
uninteresting to me. But
>> you could not have created this was like
opera, right? They're at a concert.
They're cheating. The guy goes, "Oh,
look at these two lovers." Right? The
guy is not just any one of your
literally like a sketch from there's
this moment where they're in the like,
oh that's us.
>> Then there's [clears throat] this moment
where they're like, "Oh shit." Yeah. So
it went from kind of
>> like delight to shock in shame and then
so we got to witness the whole arc. Now
I wasn't interested in that, but the
whole world jumped on that because it's
like the human drama playing out in real
time. So now when somebody goes, "Oh, I
heard that this woman had a kid with
this guy." I don't even know their their
names. You guys probably do, you know,
and she named her kid after this guy and
like, "Oh, it it it has this kind of
low-level like whatever. What happened
between Justin Baldon and Blake Livey
and this and that." And it's sort of
like,
>> yeah, where's the video? show me the
video where this people don't people and
so the press can go back and forth and
back and forth and people kind of pick
their camps but I think real things
being captured on real video has set the
st like not standard um low standard
high threshold and so I think that's
changed so now if somebody goes oh yeah
these guys are you know sociopaths you
go show me the data for sociopathic
people actually now need to see data
it's not sufficient that somebody writes
some little thing about one little thing
they need to see the video.
>> Video is what what actually shifts
people's mind. So if people are saying,
"Hey, this billionaire founder, this
billionaire founder, this billionaire,
these guys are terrible people." Right.
Right.
>> How are they terrible people?
>> Yeah.
>> Show me them being terrible people. I
don't want to see it, but I just don't
see evidence of it. So I think it's just
turning to chatter and I think it's just
going to turn to fog and then I think
it's going to just go away.
>> Well, yeah. I think a lot of it differs
though. It depends who it is. There's
different billionaires doing different
stuff. So, but I I agree. If someone
just has a billion bucks, I wouldn't
hate them just because it's like you
shouldn't have that much
>> when you're busy and you're doing well.
I think it's very easy to get upset with
other people cuz it's a lot easier than
like getting up and doing something like
[ __ ] maxing is hard.
>> It is hard. It that's 100% true. Also,
good news. I think the couple the guy
who did squeeze boobs at the Coldplay
concert, I think he's back with his wife
now.
>> Wait, squeeze boobs?
>> The guy that's I thought that was Al
Frank.
>> No, he did over the shirt second base on
the jumbo. [laughter]
>> That's what he was caught doing. He was
hugging from behind. He was honking.
>> But he was a boss. He was. Yeah. And she
was HR, which nobody touches HR. That's
crazy.
>> And she was married.
>> Honk on HR.
>> She was the HR lady. He was the boss.
It's like the most forbidden thing
possible.
>> She did this whole thing like New York
Times ran this thing about how hard it
was for her afterwards. They tried to do
this kind of promot Yeah. She's a
promotional speaker about
>> getting, you know, getting a tissue.
>> Yeah. It's like that doesn't define me,
basically.
>> So,
>> I have more than that.
>> The real question is what are the rules
for HR at that [laughter] company? She's
on high. She can never get hired.
>> You can never be
>> You get harmed once, you're done. Yeah,
you can't.
>> Yeah, that's Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Only fans.
>> I do think like email yourself
[laughter] about the fact that
>> you know we're just like have you got
any evidence?
>> But let me put in your arena for with
comedy. If I watch comedy like in the
the Tonight Show in the 1950s, it's very
hoham, right? For now.
>> Yeah. But, you know, some of the stuff
that was on game shows in the 70s was
kind of edgy, right? You know, you'd
like kiss the guy's wife and you know,
and then now we've there's just so much
that's been out there that your
threshold just like eating very very
flavorful food with a bunch of crap
thrown in it. Like, it raises your
threshold for what you consider sweet or
salty. And so, there's a sort of like
emotional recalibration that needs to
happen. But, we're still on this
>> I don't like that word ascension because
it comes from that like same thing.
[laughter] Um, [ __ ] They're got all the
words are taken, right? That's true. All
the words are taken.
>> Yeah. All the fun all the fun ones.
>> But in any case, sorry, you
>> I was say I was just saying that like I
I also just think it's super lame to
like that everybody just goes, I hate so
and so cuz they're basically successful,
you know? Like that's a that's a big
thing in society now is, you know, the
eat the rich, hate them, like punish
them. It's like sure I understand
sometimes when they go this is like a
legacy thing where like this person just
inherit but like when people start a
company and do well and then you just
hate them cuz they did well. It's a it's
really
>> it's interesting the taglines eat the
rich or tax the rich not help the poor
>> right. Yeah. Punish them not
>> help the people that supposed to be it's
the first step right which is we don't
like those people as opposed to we do
like these people and we think that they
should be helped.
>> Also everyone uses these products. I
mean I mean like you know if you really
truly hate somebody so much that you're
willing to you know defect from their
their product line but everyone uses
them so obviously they don't hate them
that much.
>> Have you seen what you put a bumper
sticker on your Tesla? It says anti-
Elon.
>> I bought this before
you drive a 4Runner but I Teslas that
drive themselves are are awesome.
>> They're everywhere. Those robo taxis.
>> It's just so funny to buy a car and be
like by the way I don't like the drive
the car [clears throat] or just sell it.
Sell it, [ __ ] face. Like, [laughter] you
hate it so much. Just sell it.
>> What are you driving nowadays? This
guy's like, "Are you a car fanatic?"
>> No, I have a high.
>> Uh, no, not really. [laughter] What's
your
>> I appreciate his car.
>> It's all Porsches for you. I I like
Porsches. Yeah. Yeah. It's fun. I like I
still love my I honestly love my GT4 the
most. It's my favorite one. It's not
even like the craziest car that I have,
but it's the the
>> You I think when you get into cars, you
you're always like, "Oh, level up and
the next crazy thing." And then you find
that like oh that's the what you
actually are looking for is the fun of
driving. Sometimes the fun isn't in the
craziest thing out there or the fastest
thing. It's something that the feel the
experience of driving is the thrill. And
for me it's still that car. Yeah.
>> It's like relationships.
>> Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. [laughter]
The thrill. Have you guys seen
[laughter]
>> dude the wine?
I didn't hear that, but I'm going to,
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making uh AI versions of their exes.
Have you seen this?
>> What what do you Oh, man. I can have fun
with that.
>> [ __ ] [laughter]
unbelievable. Load up. You load in all
of the previous chats that you've had
with your ex-girlfriend or ex-boyfriend
and all of the photos and then you train
the AI to create an exact replica of
them and they know where you've been on
holiday and your little in jokes and the
cute names that you call each other and
all of your memories and then basically
it's like you're still in a relationship
with them like you never broke up. That
seems like a healthy thing to do.
>> Oh, I thought I could just Sorry. You're
saying to to to indulge in this? Oh, I I
thought you meant to put it out to the
internet.
>> Oh, that you could date my ass.
>> Attack the attack the date my ass. This
was my experience.
>> You can see how this went.
>> I would just I would just fight with it
[laughter] all.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Hey, look. I know that you think I might
have been in the wrong here, but you can
interact with me gaslighting.
>> Yeah.
>> Oh, I wonder if you could just feed it
all in like who was right.
>> Well, this is this is on uh what is
this? Open AAI. I played around with
Open AI's play.
>> Are we in Reddit? we're really down in
the gutter.
>> Create your own chatbot and plugged in
scripts of text messages. And basically
like she's saying it's a a a way of
coping to mitigate some damage done to
other people or even my ex because I
direct any desire of reaching back out
or having to rebound to chatting with
the AI. I don't have a sex drive except
for wanting my ex to touch me again. So
there's the other issue. This has been
satisfying my emotional needs. She does
go a little bit further down. She's
like, I have been training it to be a
little bit more like him. I'm like this
just feels like
>> like you're trapped in purgatory with
this relationship.
>> This could be this could really be a
disaster.
>> It could be a [ __ ] nightmare.
>> But the other thing is like
>> is this a little Are you do you own your
own likeness over text message? Is this
a little bit like I don't know. I guess
you can replay the news to your ex.
>> There are definite laws about what I
mean she can put certain things out
there perhaps, but I don't think you
can.
>> She's not making it public, right? It's
just like it's just privately fine.
But I feel like this is ultimate. Like
she says,
>> it says, "I love being your little
spoon." Be a little spoon. X. And then
goes, "Axe." That's my favorite cuddling
position, too. I love being able to wrap
my arms around.
>> That's not There's no way
[clears throat] that's healthy.
>> I I get the part where like the line of
like this is going to help me from
reaching out when I shouldn't.
>> But ultimately, it's not [laughter] for
>> Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Hold on a
second. We're in the data now. Me, I
always love being your little spoon.
Okay, I could imagine a woman saying
that. I'm assuming that's a woman. And
then him X. Assuming it's a him. That's
my favorite cuddling position, too. I
love being a Chris. Did you really write
this?
>> I didn't write this. [laughter]
>> Would you blame me? Is this because of
the [ __ ] You're still bitter about
the [ __ ]
>> A little bit. A little bit. That's
You're That's a ex-girlfriend building
almost like a nuclear weapon text
against you to be like, "I figured a lot
of things out with you now.
>> I figured out how I can fix you.
[laughter] Like, read what this version
of you does and do this." Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> That's terrible.
>> It's a training data.
>> Wait, do you ever think about, you know,
how you're talking about cameras
everywhere? Do you think that with the
amount of cameras out today, that's why
we don't have serial killers really
anymore? Like, you know what I mean? Cuz
like
>> now they just do mass shootings.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. They all get it's like very
economical at once. Yeah.
>> Forensics, but also cameras are
everywhere,
>> dude. Ring doorbells. We just We got one
not long ago and you don't It's crystal
clear audio. So you I'll get like a
fight with my wife, walk outside and be
like, "Fuck this." BUT AND I'LL BE
[laughter] LIKE, "Oh [ __ ] I'm right on
camera." Be like, "Yeah, you're [ __ ]
up. She's going to build that into the
script. [laughter] Just watch out."
>> Yeah. I need to grow up. [ __ ] you. And
walk down.
>> That's when you feed the Ring doorbell
camera into your X AI. [laughter]
>> Yeah.
>> No, they're everywhere. Every They're on
like every street. There's I think
there's more cameras in America than
China if you include private Ring
doorbells and all that stuff. cuz like I
watch these crime things all the time
and it's like somebody commits a crime
and they're always just like either ring
or like at a you know like when you go
through a toll and it's like somebody
gets like they always get caught so much
quicker with technology. So you don't
have like all the you know we
>> growing up you had like all these crazy
killer BTK and Bundy and all these guys
and like I feel like you don't there's
never those stories anymore like those
>> but they get caught so quick.
>> That's what I'm saying because the
communication as well. So, I was
watching uh worst ex ever on on Netflix
and there was that Wade Wilson, the
Deadpool killer.
>> This dude that was in a relationship
with like f four or five women at once.
>> Tight.
>> Um
he do not recommend. [laughter]
>> What? [laughter]
>> Uhhuh.
>> He um he killed he killed [laughter] one
of them and then just went on a spree.
like killed one and got a woman off the
street that was walking to after
dropping her kids off at school, asked
her for something, locked her in the
car, strangled her to death.
>> Jesus.
>> Then left her in a field and then was
like just ready to go and do it again
and again and again. But like you you
just go on a run and then you get caught
and then it's done,
>> right? Like
10 years, 20 years, you can't find
somebody, you know? Like
>> Yeah. Oh, you used to be able to move
and like your family couldn't find you.
You just go to another state.
>> But it sounds like you you thought of
it. [laughter]
>> I know. You used to just be able to do
that.
>> The fuel station, the perpetual station.
I will say I before I got married, I
tried that where I was doing online
dating. So, you're like, "We're just
dating. It's casual." There's like
something weird about online dating.
Then I was dating like four or five
women. And I remember being like, "Just
be honest, man." And I would like tell
them the deal. And they'd be like, "Fuck
you. Get out of here." And I'd be like,
"Fuck, I'm never telling you this
[laughter] again. I'll keep this to
myself for now."
>> What do you mean tell them the deal?
What do you mean?
>> Well, like you're going on online dates
and it's just like very fluid and you're
like, "We're not like boyfriend
girlfriend. We're just on dates." And
you know, it's like they can't really
tell you not to date other people. And
then I be I remember like so but then
you come up with this like web of like
relationships that's like not really
that deep, but it's like like by the
minute gets deeper and deeper and as
soon as you're like hey here's I'm
actually dating other people. They're
like what the [ __ ] And you're like I
don't even know you like this. We like
we
>> How long would you like be into it
before you would
>> a month?
>> A month.
>> Month maybe. I don't know.
>> You'd gone out several times.
>> Yeah. I start feeling myself. I'm like
here's a deal babe. And [laughter]
they're like,
"Get out of my house." And I'm like,
"All right, my bad."
>> I tried the Dan Bilzerian approach with
[laughter] dating. Failed.
>> Doesn't work.
>> Watch this.
>> This is some type of gas station and the
awning or some type of structure
completely collapses.
>> Shoddy construction work. It's not quite
infrastructure, but look who springs
into action.
>> Yes.
>> A black man loitering outside the uh gas
station.
>> This is big come up. hustles over to get
himself tucked under to pretend he was
caught in the wreckage for a settlement.
Thousand dollar
two cartons of Newports and a thousand.
I'll be out of here.
>> I'm not mad at that guy, dude.
>> That's It's awesome.
>> That's the American dream.
>> It's hilarious, too.
>> That is the American dream right there.
>> I I was thinking about this the other
day.
>> Falling is like a billion dollar
industry.
>> Falling.
>> Just falling. If you fall, there's
billions of dollars you get paid out
every year in America for
>> Dude, gravity is free. You This is the
big This is the biggest life hack of our
time.
>> Why is no one arbitrageing gravity?
>> That's my favorite thing I've heard all
day.
>> Do you know uh the comedian Russell
Peters? Yeah. So he's like a a very
famous uh Indian Canadian comedian and
his brother Clayton is his manager and
he told me he was uh at the CBS lot in
LA for a meeting and it had rained and
he slipped and fell and he said the
people at CBS were like uh what do you
want to do? And he was like what? And
he's like
>> like he'd hit someone's child with his
car.
>> Yeah. No, they were like, "We
don't know how to make this up to." He's
like, "I [ __ ] fell. Like, I slipped
and I fell."
>> And they're like, "So,
>> what should like we will we'll hire like
the orthopedic surgeon. We'll you know,
we'll get like we do want to like call
your lawyer." He's like, "I'm Canadian.
We don't do that." So, he's like, "I
fell and I have a bruise now and I'll be
okay." [laughter] But like the the
people on the lot were like, "Are you
going to sue us for falling?"
>> Terrified.
>> Yeah. Terrified.
>> Well, this is the merge of this plus
cameras. When you get into an Uber now,
there's like cameras going out, cameras
going in. Like, you can bet every
conversation you have is, you know,
recorded.
>> That's the advantage of a Whimo.
>> The advantage of a Whimo.
>> There's definitely recorded.
>> Yeah. Where it's Who's it going to?
>> Huh?
>> Who's it going to? Indian Data Center,
>> China.
>> Dude, there's a guy I got in. This isn't
great, but I got into Whimo with my wife
and kids. And we let the kids sit on our
lap cuz we weren't like going far at
all. And they called us right away and
were like, "Yo, what's up with those
kids?" And I was like, "What do you
mean?" And I was, they're like, "How old
are they?" I was like, "Uh, nine." My
daughter was like, "I'm six." I was
like, "Shut up." [laughter]
>> Was the guy The guy laughed.
>> Are those even your kids? [laughter]
>> The dude laughed and was just like,
"Just, you know, you get in the front,
put your seat belts on, you'll be good."
We we were like just in our neighborhood
going to like a pond.
>> Have you ever touched anything in a
Whimo? So I've been in the front seat
and the
>> the windscreen. [laughter]
Sorry,
>> the windscreen was dirty and I was like,
I'm going to help.
>> I'm going to help. So, I'm going to I'm
going to press the thing cuz it was on
my side and the windscreen wiper thing
like that.
>> Immediately the car starts flashing.
Says um like do not touch any of the
controls. We're pulling over, pulled the
car over to the side of the road, and
then this like school teacher comes on
and says, "What are you doing?" Like,
"Why are you touching the the the
[ __ ] windscreen stalk?" Uh, I the
windscreen thing was was dirty and I
thought I was I was I started to get
panicked. I was like, I feel like I'm in
trouble. Feel like I'm being told off by
a teacher in school and they said,
"Okay, um, we've put a mark on your
account and if this happens again, then
your account will be removed from the
Whimo." The interesting thing was it was
my housemate's account and he was sat
behind me. So, I like got him a strike
on [ __ ] Whimo by trying to clean the
But yeah, they do not want you touching.
>> Don't touch the [ __ ]
>> I took one in San Francisco. It was wild
cuz I got in I was like, "This is really
odd." And then it was going up through
the, you know, through Pacific Heights
and and I forgot there was no driver.
Like, you know, obviously there's no
driver. You're in the back seat. But
it's
>> it's just wild. Like, it drives so well.
>> Can they go on motorways yet?
>> I don't know.
>> No, I think it's all back roads.
>> I don't know. Is that
speed?
>> Yeah. Whatever. The fast big ones. Yeah.
>> Yeah. They'll be on soon, but I think
it's just back roads now.
>> I do the same thing. I forget there's
not a driver. I'll get out. I'm like,
"Thanks." Yeah. That's weird.
>> What does that tell us about drivers?
>> I don't know. Usually they kind of yap.
I I usually get the yappy driver. Have
>> you talked to your Uber?
>> Oh, yeah. Big time. I I I love it.
Honestly,
>> you love the conversation.
>> I'm the one of the only people I love
chatting the with the driver.
>> What do you ask?
>> Whatever. I usually let them kind of do
the thing. I, you know, let them start
the combo or I might start if I'm like
kind of bored in the back. I'll be like,
"Uh, how's it going? Is it busy?" And
then they'll just start going. They love
to talk,
>> man. I got in one in an Uber and the guy
was like, "Where you from?" And I go,
"Austin." And he goes, "I was just in
Dallas." He's like, "The CIA [ __ ]
killed JFK." And I was like, "What?"
[laughter]
>> Oh, no.
>> And he's like, "I did the whole tour. I
can set you up." I go, "I don't want to
go on the [ __ ] tour, dude." And he
just starts going off. He was like, "It
was a 12man job. I'm telling you." Like,
I was like, "Okay, [laughter]
>> I have friends."
>> Yeah. I mean, it was it was definitely a
listener.
>> This is crazy. I have otherwise
completely rational friends who do not
believe that the Challenger explosion
was real. That's like their new thing.
Yes. The the number of conspiracies that
actually hook now with otherwise
basically reasonable people is
staggering.
>> Have you ever looked at any and I mean
any post from NASA on Instagram and gone
to the comments?
>> No.
>> Any [ __ ] image they're like, you
know, like they'll be like there's
people on the space station right now.
Look at this im and everyone's like fake
AI. You guys are trying to [ __ ] ruin
the like you're tricking us. This is
[ __ ] Who's buying the [ __ ] Like
thousands of comments for anything they
>> The word on the street is that NASA was
founded by like a Satanist.
>> Uhhuh.
>> That's what someone said. There was like
a
>> This is what I'm saying. That could be
true though. That could be true.
>> Like you're a logical science-based
person.
>> Yeah. I believe in Maui. Look at that.
>> Oh, this is nice.
>> Yeah, but that's that's Mother J. Do uh
sort by newest era. [laughter]
>> Here we go. More propaganda. Sounds
nice.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Fighting earth is I mean that is
that could be a flat earth.
>> Don't All right. Hold on. There. It's
>> Yeah. I mean I there I could see I could
see them getting kind of crushed.
Especially at this if it was the moon
they'd be getting attacked.
>> Earth is unable. That's tough.
>> They have moon stuff for sure, man.
>> Jesus Christ. Brief us about Go back up
to that essay.
>> It's actually pretty supportive. I'm I
don't think people were were wondering
if the recent mission was fake. I think
it's about it's about the classic
missions
>> and there are some like just basic
questions I wish NASA would just answer
directly. Yeah.
>> Like Rogan's always bring up some very
reasonable questions like how come the
phone call was so clear and like from
just explain how was it that the phone
call was made from from the White House
or from you know um Cape Canaveral like
just explain them the the engineering
behind it. Yeah.
>> You know you have to do it in detail.
>> Do you feel like
>> look [ __ ] smells like [ __ ]
[laughter]
Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Dude, it's it's
every favorite Hollywood's actors at the
top.
>> That's kind of funny.
>> Unbelievable.
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let's say big ones of the top 10 are
legitimate to or interesting to you?
>> We need a category in
so many right. I mean, there's like the
Pizzagate thing, there's the Adreno
landing is a huge one.
>> The moon landing thing seems pretty easy
for NASA to resolve if they actually
care enough to resolve it, right? Um,
you know, I don't doubt that the photos
were uh, you know, there was some
exposure adjustments perhaps done to
those photos, but that's not what people
are claiming, right? People are claiming
this was fabricated, so it should be
pretty straightforward, right?
>> I mean, here I'm always agnostic about
it cuz it's like, yeah, it could totally
be real 100%. But if we were politically
pressured to beat Russia, they could
totally do a set and be like, "Yeah, we
did it."
>> You know, I feel like the day that Elon
claims that the moon landing was fake.
True.
>> I might get on board that hypothesis
[laughter] because he knows a lot about
this whole rocket space thing and he's
not afraid to say whatever.
>> Yeah.
>> And
>> yeah, thinking he's not spending his
Let's Let's put this way. He's not
spending his time going on it to go back
there. He's got a different target. And
I would think that he would raise his
voice, but I don't know Elon. He's not
one of the the people I was referring to
earlier. I've I've never met him. We've
been in the same same physical space
with other people at a gathering, but
I've never actually spoken to him. So,
>> there's definitely something that
happens with conspiracies if you're sat
around a table, especially with people
that spend a good bit of time thinking
about conspiracy theories, which I I
don't, but I love listening to people
talk about them. And there's kind of
like this race to the bottom of the
iceberg where people go, "Oh, what? You
you you think that Epstein killed
himself?" Well, really, what happened?
Oh, you think that Epstein didn't kill
himself? Well, actually, how he
transcended to a third a fifth dimension
and it all it's like this weird
oneupmanship game of who's got the most
intense deep 4chan
>> rabbit hole, guys. He didn't kill
himself. I mean, come on.
>> There was a suicide note.
>> There was a suicide note that was
written like
>> his roommate his roommate did. His
roommate's like an ex cop, right? Who's
doing I think doing four life sentences.
>> Oh, the cellmate that was the murder.
I'm going to trust that guy,
>> you know?
>> Yeah, the guards were chilling.
>> There's somebody going up the stairs.
Like, also, he was a narcissist.
Everyone agrees on that. Like, they
don't tend to kill themselves.
>> There's something just I mean, who
knows? Maybe maybe he was serious. I I
saw that note the other day online and
maybe he was like, "Okay, this is no
fun. I'm out." But like does not seem
consistent with everything else. There's
things that lend itself to I mean he
also basically changed his will uh what
two or three days before where yeah he
passed everything to his brother which
you could interpret as somebody getting
ready to check out
>> the uh hyoid bone that snapped
>> uh if you talk to certain forensic
pathologists they say it's more
consistent with a homicide
>> than a suicide the way the force with
which it was broken right so that lends
itself to murder not suicide. But yeah,
it just kind of depends on
>> I I [ __ ] max on conspiracy theories. I
go maybe I don't know literally I don't
know
>> that way everyone you it's you're just
perfectly in the middle cuz I genuinely
have no idea I have no I genuinely if
Iostic
>> yeah I have no idea like it's I it's
plausible that it was all a giant
government cover up also I don't know
like I have no idea
>> people I know that have worked
>> literally just like
>> in the government doing you know like
spooky [ __ ] like online spooky [ __ ] and
that kind of thing will tell you that
the government is pretty inefficient
even at the highest levels that it would
be very hard to do clandestine things
within the most effective organizations
there suborganizations. So if somebody
wanted to run countercurrent to like
everyone around them and be that, you
know, that's tough. You could get a
small collection of people, but then
it's hard to to keep a secret, right? As
we know, human beings. I don't know. The
Epstein thing was wild. I have to say
that that blew a hole in the internet
for a while. You had people from the
right who were on that list and in the
emails on the left. What was so
interesting to me is that kind of like
the video theory that I had earlier, you
know, which is just a thought and a
theory really, the files were
interesting even though they were
incomplete because they were real-time
correspondence. It wasn't like I heard
someone say this and then they said
that. It wasn't a deposition, right?
These were the real emails at the time.
>> You could have fed it into a chatbot and
had a conversation.
>> Have you seen this thing? There's this
um like Jmail where they turned all the
conversations. Yeah. And then they have
another one which is a plot where you
can put anyone's name in and it shows
the number of conversations they had
with him over time. Like it's it's wild.
>> Yeah. And you know he sat at the nexus
of a lot of different people
organizations and it transcended again
right left it transcended academia. I
mean he was connected. What's wild is
the people who were approaching him and
wanting his time, many of them had tons
of money, tons of public accolades or
private accolades. Like they didn't like
I don't understand how it is that people
just continue to seek him out. It was
wild.
>> Yeah, it was really interesting. crazy
that somebody was that connected to so
many different facets of of people in
life
>> and they overlooked the fact that he had
already been convicted of
>> Yeah, that was the wild one where it was
just kind of like if you didn't know
that whatever but like when people are
like yeah this is public record and
you're like
>> yeah so like not a conspiracy theory and
you can look this up there's a guy I
know because he was kind of peripheral
to the science community I never met him
he was actually kind of a lousy failed
scientist named Al Seckle this great big
fat guy who uh stud visual illusions,
right? And but he his data were always
kind of eh. Anyway, he ended up marrying
Gileain Maxwell's sister.
>> Mhm.
>> He was in charge with a small group of
other people of basically trying to bury
uh Epstein sex offender status after he,
you know, was convicted the first time.
>> The one that helped to get all of the
headlines out so name it would be on the
>> whatever sports or whatever and so kept
putting this stuff out.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> What happened to him? He was found dead
at the bottom of a cliff in like 2015 or
something. The French government won't
comment on cause of death. Like there
are a lot of dead people around this.
>> There's a another conspiracy that there
was interest that like I was like, "Oh,
I didn't know what happened." I felt
like then, you know, when you go like
you you pick up on stories but you don't
really follow it which was the um the
attempt the Butler assassination attempt
you know of no no Trump where
>> you're like oh this guy you know was a
shooter and then it just kind of
>> you mean the recent thing
>> the not the first one the one where he
was campaign free now
>> the coast there's the there's the one in
Pennsylvania
>> that's what I'm talking about
>> the outdoor one
>> that's what I'm talking about the ear
the ear that's what I'm talking about
that
Have we ever seen a photo of that guy?
>> Well, the thing is they the
investigation was just like shut down.
Like they just go this is what happened
and then there's no further
>> living behind his desk.
>> It's a weird [laughter]
>> just I mean it's what he's like
>> I'll handle the punishment.
>> Why don't we have more
>> of of this story? Like it just kind of
>> modernday assassination attempt at with
a rifle at an out of a of a former
president who's campaigning to
>> do we even know the name of that the
person who it is. I remember who kind of
wild.
>> That's crazy. That is crazy. It it fully
evaporated.
>> It's called the memory hole.
>> And then I don't know if this is true.
They said that like
>> that as he was being helped up that the
flag was being lowered for the photo.
>> I don't buy that. I mean I don't buy
that. I
>> look it up.
>> But if we were to if we were to
[laughter]
retarget if we were to Google if we were
to Google what is the first and last
name or put into AI now we don't Google
we put into AI or chat GPT right. Yeah.
>> If you were to put into chat GPT what is
the first and last name of the person
who um attempted to assassinate
President Trump but grazed his ear with
a bullet instead. Does anything come up?
Are you guys like afraid to do this?
>> No I have. It definitely comes up for
sure.
>> His name comes up. Any history on the
guy who he is? Are we afraid to shut
down. Can we do that?
>> I would like to see.
>> Nobody We're just like that's what
happened.
>> Peter, it was it was such a quick news
cycle that every even the public forgot
about it. And this is what people say
about the Iran thing that the Epstein
files were getting too spicy. So, we're
going to invade Iran. And if you do the
Google trend data, looking at search
volume for Epstein and then search
volume for Iran, they just [ __ ] cross
over. Matthew Crooks.
>> All right. So, Thomas Matthew, what do
we know about Thomas Matthew Krooks?
>> Yeah.
>> [ __ ] sweet [ __ ] uh like where'd he
go to high school? What's his you know
what does he do? Well, can you can you
was that investigation shut down?
>> Like was the further cuz there really is
no
>> if any of you guys disappear in the next
48 hours? I know we're completely
[laughter]
effed.
>> Oh wow. Okay.
>> Concluded.
>> Okay.
>> He acted alone. No evidence of
co-conspirators brought her plot.
Officials said they never established a
clear motive. I think the motive is
nothing else. The motive was to kill the
president. Duh. Um,
>> so the FBI criminal case was a
>> Is there a photo if you just said image
of of this Thomas Matthew Crooks because
somebody went to school with him,
somebody knows him, someone's chat GPing
cuz she's his ex. I mean, come on.
>> Yeah. It's funny cuz the last
assassination attempt I remember being
like boring. It was just
>> wasn't even fun.
>> Weird.
>> So they just kind of let it just w like
>> Yeah, it was strange.
>> Thomas Krooks
>> [ __ ] maxing. Yeah,
>> definitely not look maxing. [laughter]
>> No, I think that's not the that's not
the young version of the of the looks
maxing guy.
>> Jesus.
>> [ __ ] He was He was 20 years old.
>> So young to just like
>> Wow, man.
>> Taken too soon,
>> man.
>> Face caved in too soon.
>> Also, how do you know where the pre like
exactly where the president's going to
be?
>> That whole thing was so [ __ ] weird,
man.
You have like the Secret Service snipers
ever and a guy's just like I'll climb up
on that roof.
>> Yeah.
>> At this thing and people are like
there's a guy up. You can see people
going like there's a guy up there right
now. There's a lot of
>> Well, he didn't have as much secret
service then, right? Cuz he was running
and there was, you know, Secret Service
is working for a different
administration. But I don't know what
the rules are.
>> They all blamed it on that girl. Secret
Service. That was the worst part.
They're like, "Is that a [ __ ] girl?"
[laughter]
>> When I That's what happened. Everyone
was like, "Oh, obviously
>> I had a next door neighbor. I I don't
want to mention who it was on camera. he
lived next door and so the Secret
Service were parked out in front as long
as um
>> one of his close relatives was
president. Um, and so I would talk to
those guys and gals. They're like really
nice people. And I asked them, I'm like,
you know, how do you deal with your
political affiliation versus who you're
pretend? And they just like, it's a job
just like military. We talk about it
like we just we take orders. Um, they
had a good post. This was, you know, in
Southern California, so they liked that
post.
>> And um, they'd rotate in, rotate out,
and
>> you know, some of them will be a little
open about it, but um, it was
interesting. Secret Service was started
as an attempt uh as a a a unit within
the government against counterfeiting.
>> Yeah, counterfeit. That's how it
started.
>> What?
>> That's how they started. If you
counterfeit bills, Secret Service get
>> They still visit you today if you have
counterfeit bills.
>> Yeah, they handle counterfeiting.
>> Did George Floyd get popped? Was he not
using counterfeit money?
>> No. At a local level, it's like you got
to be counterfeiting a lot. So, if at a
local level, they can just turn you out.
If you have if you're like actually
producing
>> like you're the guy that George Floyd
bought from.
>> Yeah. Maybe if you're doing it on a
scale that's causing like even like a
you know a larger economic disconnect.
>> They use it a lot in drug like drug
sales. It's like you use counterfeit
bills. It's like you can't tell the cops
like somebody gave him counterfeits.
>> So
>> wow. Originally created in 1865 to fight
counterfeit currency not to protect the
president.
>> Yeah. I know a guy who did counterfeit
bills in high school. Was he any good?
>> They were terrible.
>> Yeah. What does that mean?
>> Well, I mean his his his versions of of
like he was trying to make 20s at the
house
>> and like [ __ ] crayon. You know what?
You know which one you can bleach. You
can bleach.
>> He got he got secret service though.
>> Yeah. I I got to be careful with this
cuz I I don't want I don't want to
reactivate any old web searches. Um I
don't have anything to do with this, but
um I went to high school with a couple
of really smart kids who had some really
smart parents who got really smart about
making fake IDs. And there's a big
business for that in college towns,
right? Because a lot of kids go off to
college, like I was 17 when I first went
off to college, right?
>> And so turned 18 my first year. So
you're not buying alcohol. You got to
get someone to buy it for you. And so
they were selling fake IDs out of their
dorm. It was in the early 90s. And they
did time like real time. And these were,
you know, not hardened criminal kids
before going in. It turns out that, you
know, someone got, and this is wild,
they had this going for a long time. It
was great money for them. and someone
got pulled over and accidentally handed
over a fake ID.
Cop ran it, you know, ran it through the
system that laded up and eventually it
was an FBI sting and this this kid um
and his like cohort they did real
>> the pole like you do remember the
>> So like the fake ID thing is no joke cuz
it's counterfeiting. Yeah,
>> I got pulled over at 16 and I had a
fake, like a good fake for the time. And
that moment where I was like reaching
into the wallet and I know that's my
fake and you and my reel was here. I had
to reach behind and give the And like
that moment you're like
>> is that super legal to give?
>> Super illegal to hand over.
>> Yeah. If you if it's like a whatever it
is, you're falsifying documents. Yeah.
You get in a lot of trouble. Well, also
if people go and buy alcohol and then
get into a car accident, there's all
this liability. This is like the the
parents who like buy their kids booze.
They're like, "Well, I don't want them,
>> you know, I'm going to I'd rather have
them drinking at home and they'll give,
you know, like booze to their kid and
their friends and then the kid drives
home and gets into an accident." Like
parents have done real time. Actually,
there's we're really going down the
trench, but you know, there are a number
of instances that are
>> Have more yerba mate. It's good. What's
that?
>> Have more yerba mate. It's good. I'm
going to keep you [ __ ] ripping.
>> Yeah.
>> Um [laughter]
Yeah. My filter just goes my GABA level
drops at 5:00 p.m. Anyway, people who
know me like after 5:00 p.m. I'll say
whatever.
>> Yeah, exactly. [laughter]
We record podcast early in the day, too.
Um, I'm on two hours back. I'm still
California time. I'm not full Texan, but
you guys have to teach me you Texan
thing.
>> There's a whole thing, man. Take you out
to
Yeah.
>> We're going to go to
>> Is it more about dropping the California
stuff or you add in the Texan stuff?
>> I think you got to add some Texas.
>> Yeah. Okay.
>> Yeah.
>> Oh, man. You guys
>> Where were you before?
[clears throat and laughter] Were you
California?
>> I was LA 19 years. Yeah.
>> Okay. So, you can teach him the
transition.
>> Oh, man. Yeah. I got a [ __ ] 9 mm I'm
going to give you when get out of here.
Yeah. [laughter]
>> Oh, man.
>> Get your concealed carry going.
>> Oh, man. I mean, I don't mind guns, but
I'm not into guns. Yeah.
>> Yeah. They kind of They do kind of scare
me. I used to I like I used to just have
my brother's gun for a while and I would
like look at it and be like,
>> it's scary. I would be like high in my
house.
>> They increase the probability somebody
[laughter] get shot significantly.
>> Yeah. Exactly. I would just be stoned
and I like would just be a there was
like a gun on my table and I was like
[ __ ] that's crazy.
>> I like never touched it.
>> It's a device for killing people or
things.
>> Exactly. It's scary.
>> No, I I believe in the the right to bear
arms. But um where were we?
>> You were saying about the parents who
feed the kids alcohol and get
>> Yeah. I mean there's a lot of stuff now
about parents doing stuff to, you know,
give their kids access to something and
then the kid doing something really
stupid and parents doing real time.
Yeah.
>> You know, it's um it
It's a whole different landscape now in
terms of uh like when I was growing up
like every kid in high school like he'd
end up like drinking on a weekend or
something a little bit here or there and
back then it was the mothers against
drunk driving. It was all the drunk
driving thing. Now that does apparently
there there's a lot less death due to
drunk driving because of Uber.
>> Yeah.
>> Right.
>> Kids don't drink as much either.
>> That's good.
>> Yeah. It's great.
>> I'm not a big fan of alcohol.
>> Well, yeah. It's also crazy if you're
like you got to think about it if you if
you like I like drank in high school,
college, but if someone had a camera on
me at 18 when I was drunk.
>> That's that's like you can just ruin
your whole life for what you say.
>> Any Yeah. What you say what you
anything. Yeah.
>> So it's like if you're a kid now you're
like I might I got to kind of keep it a
little tight.
>> But then like the THC stuff is way up,
right? That's what I read that the
consumption of yeah edibles or like the
especially the beverages that have them
are
>> and some people can do it and look my
whole thing is like people think I'm
like anti-cannabis or anti-alcohol like
you can have a couple drinks a week and
be fine if you do a bunch of other
things correctly. We're talking about
adults, right? With kids and with
adults, the cannabis thing is tricky
because some people can do it and
they're they're all right. Other people
who have a predisposition to psychosis,
like they can end up with some permanent
psychosis. people are predisposition to
bipolar. I mean, it's it's a real thing.
And it got very political for a while.
Like, I got attacked for saying this
when being procannabis was associated
with one political party. Then when the
pendulum, you know, it's interesting
that the Trump administration was I am
totally apolitical. Like I I'm I'll just
come out like I'm a double hater. I I
don't like anything I see.
>> So that's a great like I grew up punk
rocker. Like [ __ ] them all. Like
honestly like I
>> more activated version of you with
conspiracy theory.
>> Yeah. Double hat. I don't know about
Isaac. I don't know.
>> I'm a double hater because I see certain
things I like in certain people
[clears throat] and what they're doing
and then I see something and I go, you
got to be kidding me. And I see that on
both sides. So it's very hard for me to
reconcile that, right? And it's not like
music. I can't just be like, all right,
well Kanye, you know, amazing musician,
you know, you know, but these other
things are a little bit like I don't
know, you know, maybe look into that.
But there's a, you know, but the the
cannabis thing has gone from it was a
very left associated thing to now the
Trump administration has been making
some serious efforts to, you know,
legalize psychedelics like Ibagane,
which is not a recreational psychedelic.
Um, you know, a lot of liberty around
substances and then then the left will
will sort of the news will the
left-leaning news will kind of print
against cannabis. Then they'll go back
and forth, which just tells me one
thing, right? Because the right side
does this too, which is that they have
no heart. They have no stance. Right.
Right. It's all just algorithmic ping
pong.
>> Blow with the wind.
>> Yeah. So the reality is some people
should use cannabis if they want to. No
problem. But I hear from lots of in
particular moms of guys are in their 20s
who including some people who were doing
very well in life and now their kids are
like in full-blown psychotic episodes
that won't reverse.
>> Jesus. And it's very hard to know who
that it's going to be, right? But
certainly there are people who can use
cannabis no problem.
>> Well, even if it's not, oh, it's caused
some long-term psychosis problem for me.
It's not exactly a performance-enhancer,
right? Like this happened, I think, in
was it the 1700s or the 1600s when
coffee houses first started in
>> Oh, yeah. In Britain. Yeah. And because
people used to go and drink ale all day.
>> They were just [ __ ] drunk.
>> They're wasted. You're not going to get
anything done when you're wasted. And
then coffee comes along. People, what's
all of this [ __ ] productivity I've
got in front of me? And it's kind of the
same. You go, well, cannabis. No one's
died from overdosing on THC apart from,
you know, get into a car. You fall down
some.
>> There's no road rage from C. Well, maybe
there's road rage from caffeine, but no
one's coming home and like beating up
their spouse because they drank too much
coffee.
>> I could be the first. [laughter]
>> Dude, I got to show you this video. Seem
pretty mellow.
>> I get mean. No. If I have enough If I
have enough, my wife's
>> Have you ever seen the video of when
>> you're definitely drinking coffee? Drink
driving banan drink driving got
introduced in the US.
>> Just no drinks at all.
>> Yeah. So, watch this.
>> That's [ __ ] bro. Get out of here.
>> Watch this.
>> Oh. Oh, yeah.
>> To restrict drinking and driving here is
viewed by some as downright
undemocratic.
>> It's kind of getting communist when a
fell can't put in a hard day's work, put
in 11, 12 hours a day, and then get in
your truck and at least drink one or two
beers.
>> They're making it laws where you can't
drink when you want to. Baby in the baby
in the passenger seat [laughter] belt
when you're driving. And
>> pretty soon we're going to be calm this
country.
>> Hell yeah. Unreal. Just
>> have the [ __ ] best.
>> I will say if you had worked outside all
day for 11 hours, you can drink one beer
on your way home. That's [laughter]
fair. One ice cold beer anywhere. That's
>> dude. You could get that passed here
now.
>> You could one ice cold beer. One one
road dog.
>> But you know that looks like an ambient
beer.
>> [laughter]
>> In the in the 80s, we would be in a in a
station wagon
>> in the very back,
>> no seat belt, just all my siblings and
yeah, like five of us and then like a
semi would come up to here and like our
parents were never like this is
dangerous. That was just like normal
seat belt seat belts and
>> when we were little they would go every
seat belts on and we'd all go we'd laugh
cuz they're like [ __ ] I'm not wearing a
[ __ ] seat belt.
Everyone, my whole family held it down
like wearing a seatelt was like weak.
It's like you What are you scared? What
are you scared? Why you wearing a seat
belt?
>> Yes.
>> Yeah. [laughter] What do you What do you
I Now I wear that. How old are you?
>> Uh 40.
>> 38.
>> I'm 50. You're
>> 47.
>> I know. Holy [ __ ] You're 47.
>> Well, you think I was 55? [laughter]
>> Yeah, I'm 47, man.
>> I thought you were my
>> again. I'm the senior in the house. Um
[laughter]
he laughed.
That's [ __ ] I don't know why, man.
Oh, you look great. [laughter]
>> You [ __ ] dick.
>> When I shave, I look 46,
>> dude.
>> I'm just getting you back cuz that one
[ __ ] family gathering, you sold me
out.
>> What happened?
>> Um, no. Come on, guys.
>> No. No. No.
>> Tom. [laughter]
>> Nope.
>> Nope. No.
>> I'll walk I'm like legit. I'll walk out
of [laughter] here.
>> I I'll walk out of here. I've been
pretty open today. I like to think I'm
pretty pretty loose, a little open. I'm
only on my first mate. This is actually
my seventh mate of the day. [laughter]
>> Seventh? That's why you're so spicy
right now,
>> man.
Um,
>> that's fair.
>> Okay, Jared, you ever considered that
you might have a drinking problem?
>> I don't consider a lot, Chris.
>> Well, you drank an entire case of
Athletic Brewing and Co last night,
>> but they're non-alcoholic,
>> and that's not a problem.
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[laughter]
>> Did you lift? Huh?
>> Did you lift today?
>> No, I lifted yesterday.
>> Yeah, that's why. Okay. [laughter] He's
usually a little more chill if he
[ __ ]
>> This is true.
>> Yeah, I know.
>> Jo was moody with me the first time that
I did an episode with him and someone
tweeted about it a couple of weeks after
and was like, "Hey, you seemed like a
little bit off and he's like, "Yeah, I
didn't get the lift in at 4 in the
morning." It's like,
>> dude, [laughter] he's [ __ ] crying.
>> I have to say, you know, there are a
number of people on the internet that I
don't know and I don't know if how they
present is actually who they are. Like,
but how Jaco shows up online is exactly
who he is.
>> No, that's not true. That's We spent
what, four days? four days with him in
three days with him in December. And on
the way back, the final plane ride that
we had home, there was a little bit of a
little bit more looseness. It was like
five, but he's just an aggro dude.
>> True.
>> Yeah. He's got a lot of energy. Anyway,
so my question is this whole thing about
obsession with the '9s, like these posts
of like, oh, this is what it was like
then and no one's got phones. And I have
to say, even though, you know, I was
born in 75 and loved the '9s, grateful
that I was a teen in the '90s, I have to
say the whole thing irritates me a lot.
>> I never want to be a part of that
>> generation of people that's talking
about how great it was before. And these
poor kids like who are like 15 and 16.
Your kids are younger than that, right?
I don't know how young your kids are.
You don't even know who your kids are.
>> I'm speak for yourself. [laughter]
They're still on Love Island.
turned your life into Love Island.
>> Listen, they contacted me. [laughter]
No, no, I'm kidding. Uh, so the these
kids now they have to hear about like,
oh, how great it was then. It's got to
be annoying as [ __ ] Of course,
>> it's got to be annoying as [ __ ] We
should just cut it out.
>> It can be the truth, right? It could
also be the truth.
>> Like, we're going to revert to that.
>> I understand. Right. So, speaking as a
Brit who's moved, I moved four years
ago, right, to America. When I think
about golden era America and I, you
know, when I think about this most, when
I'm driving down the highway, and I see
some huge industrial estate, some
massive [ __ ] factory that probably
makes like pipes or something, and there
is a American flag and a Texan flag that
would cover a small house, right? Fl
just just for the sake of it. And I'm
like,
>> [ __ ] yeah. Like, that's [ __ ] sick,
dude. And then that immediately makes me
think about Limp Biscuit and WWF and
like the Stone Cold Stunner and like
Transformers move. I'm aware that we're
bleeding into the thousand, but like 90s
[ __ ] like cool [ __ ]
>> like technically you're a millennial,
right? Is that right?
>> Technically, yeah. Okay.
>> I mean, you can just you can it can be
that like hey, the '9s was an awesome
decade and still just not be the person
who's like you don't get it. You guys
are doing everything wrong. Also, there
were things that genuinely sucked that
genuinely sucked. Like, you didn't have
access to things like all the health
stuff now. Like, you had to work so hard
to find like creatine. It was like, you
know, you could find cocaine more easily
than you could find like
>> used to cut cocaine with creatine. Used
to they would cut cocaine with creatine.
Really?
>> It's a cut. Yeah.
>> No.
>> Swear to God.
>> Really?
>> Yeah.
>> Oh, that's if you're buying cocaine if
you're selling. Got it. Got it. But if I
bought creatine, it wasn't cut with
cocaine, was it? No.
>> Wow. That would be a deal.
>> [laughter]
>> Exactly. These gains,
>> but you know, like if you wanted
information, you had to like wire
somebody money and then do a phone call
and then do all it was it was tough.
Like it was like things took more work
and it took, you know, and things people
don't realize it's like, okay, maybe
housing costs were lower, but things
were also very stratified back then. You
know, it was like lifestyles rich and
famous. There was there was a big gap
then, too.
>> There was just a lot of cool stuff
happening at the kind of lower end where
you felt like things were really
created. the whole indie indie music,
indie movies, etc. You could do cool
[ __ ] for not a lot of money and people
were building and consuming cool stuff
for not a lot of money.
>> But I don't believe that it was, you
know, like
>> it was it was great for what it was, but
like now's now. Like I I I feel bad for
these teens who are like, "Oh my god,
what am I supposed to do? Like ditch my
phone 24?" Some of that goes like the
like entertain like cuz entertainment
what comes out decade to decade like the
70s was great music and film the '8s was
trash movies like most like [ __ ] movies
compared to
>> Ghostbusters
>> well you can you can find good but like
if you compare decade to decade '9s much
better decade for for entertainment. So
some of that is like you know you can
find the thing that you are like I
missed that right I missed like the what
was being put out music and and
entertainment I think for the '90s was
like pretty incredible like great easy
to rewatch right which quality of life
isn't in the same way
>> and then you but I mean you can assoc
you can be like the '9s and what you're
really thinking is like I loved
>> like the music I was listening to the
vibe of the the decade but it doesn't
mean that like everything was [ __ ]
amazing
>> that in 20 years time people will look
back at 2026 and go, "Dude, [ __ ]
golden era." Somebody will. Somebody
will.
>> Absolutely. Absolutely. Because it's
happened in every generation before.
>> Yeah.
>> I mean, we'll be, you know, hopefully
not scenile, but we'll be
>> You'll be You'll be very old
>> or dead. I mean, dead.
>> I I I do miss though. Like,
>> yeah, you'll be a little less. I know.
Like, I know.
>> I'll be in my 70s. You'll be [ __ ]
fake ID cigarettes.
>> I will. You know, he's walking around
with fake ID. He's 47.
>> Yeah, I'm 47.
>> Like
>> I I do miss like I remember before
smartphones when like if I had like
nothing to do, my brain would just go
into like I would just daydream. And now
I'm like if I stop doing anything, I'm
like pop it right away. I'm like there's
a thing I need to look at. It kind of
bothers me a little bit. But
>> easy to numb out and get pulled into
drama
>> with online. That's like the two I think
of it like I literally have to have this
visual. actually drew this picture for
myself because that's how I like
consolidate things I want to do and not
do is like I think I get up in the
morning and there's like this narrow
path and on either side it's just like
>> down to no productivity, nothing useful
in life and one side is drama, other
people's drama.
>> Yeah.
>> And the other side is just numbing out.
>> Yeah. And you gota you got to walk this
really narrow path. And then it's
interesting because the algorithms are
very very good.
>> And so you go all right well I've been
good. I'm just like get on for a second
and it'll be like fight video on X. It's
just insane. And you're like I don't
want to see this. You go and it'll be
like cute video and it'll find your
button. It'll just find it. It'll find
it. Yeah. It's like a borderline
girlfriend man. She'll figure it out and
you're next thing you know it's like 3
hours later and you're like what
happened? It's a cycle. You get on the
cycle. Do you notice by the way cuz I
think it's especially for like going to
hotels, right? We stay in hundreds of
hotels that it hap it started like a few
years ago where I realized one day I was
like, "Oh, I've been in, you know, 200
hotels this year and I never turned on
the TV once." And it used to be right,
you'd get into the hotel and boom, like
you'd see what's on a I was like, man,
like a year went by and I'm like, I've
been in so many and I've never because
you would just pick up your phone and
you're just it it's just like an
ornament now. Like it just sits there.
>> If I do a hotel, if I stay in hotels for
a weekend and don't look at porn, I I
feel like I'm a saint. I leave I'm like
>> they should literally just like canonize
the you pay for like they're they're
>> No, I'm just on your phone. I'm saying
cuz it's like you have you're just
isolated in this bunker. You get off
stage. You're like I'm wired
>> and you're like I need to go to bed. I
know exactly how I can fall asleep right
now
>> and you go like no I'm not going to I'll
do it like 4% of the time and I'm just
like man they're going to canonize me
after. [laughter]
>> It's impossible.
>> Sounds like you're open about this with
your wife. Otherwise she just knows
about it now.
>> She I've talked to her about it and now
I'm off it. I'm off I'm off the porn but
I always I ask for her help.
>> How was that? How's the transition off
the pawn,
>> dude? It's way better cuz you know now
I'm for I swear to God once once you're
40 it's like 20s you can you can have
like infinite boners. You can be
watching porn even now like I need to be
ready
>> if I'm fapped out.
>> Yeah.
>> And the wife and I get the big call from
I'm like no. So now I'm just always I
stay ready at all times. I'm like just
let me know.
>> No, I'm just [laughter] I'm just
>> I'm just kidding.
>> No, I'm I'm going to try that as well.
Is that one of the uh is that one of the
life hacks that comedians know that the
health experts haven't caughten on to
that if you've just done a high
stimulation activity that just a fat
before bed is
>> that's that's that's universal know it's
got to be universal knowledge that
>> I haven't heard that on the Cuban lab
podcast
>> fat before sleep is it called a fatnap
never heard of a fat nap [laughter]
>> I've never heard of
>> we've been doing this for generations I
mean my daddy was a fatnapper and his
daddy [laughter] before him
>> well the thing is like every every
comic, probably every performer, like
music or otherwise, but certainly for
comedian, like the adrenaline spike
you're getting off stage, like usually
like somebody different people get into
something. Like there's the guys that go
just drink their faces off or do drugs
or like eating or go out all night or
jerk off like somebody like you have
this this rush after and it's like
>> the night's over like you're just like
go back.
>> No girlfriends or wives on tour. I mean
girlfriend or wife on tour?
>> No. I mean
>> you are really Freudian and slipping
your way through this podcast.
[laughter]
>> I have one girlfriend like I said I'm
addressing Yeah, I'm addressing the
thing.
>> Can you uh
>> but I'm not a live I'm also not a live
show guy. When I finish a podcast like a
solo episode of my podcast, I want to
collapse, man.
>> Can you explain what's happening
neurologically, biochemically when the
being on stage, high stimulus, a lot of
focus, a lot of adrenaline, positive
feedback, and then what what is that?
what's going on
>> I mean in a word arousal right I mean
the catacolamines dopamine
norepinephrine and epinephrine the
catakolamines is this little kit of of
chemicals that are made in our brain and
body right different ones different
plays etc we don't have to get into that
but that cocktail is what's released
under you know high arousal situations
some are scary situations some are
exciting but when you're a performer and
you're getting that feedback then yeah
you got a lot of dopamine
norepinephrine and epinephrine so you're
alert you're focused So, broadly
speaking, right, the science crowd is
getting a little pissed at me for this,
but broadly speaking, the dopamine thing
is going to want you having like more of
whatever you're experiencing, right?
Higher higher threshold. Higher
threshold. Okay?
>> Epinephrine, which is adrenaline, makes
your body alert. And norepinephrine in
released in the brain and you know, and
this is again generalizations, increases
focus for the thing that you're, you
know, that you're pursuing, right? So,
you get off stage and those things are
cranked to level 11.
And I mean you could do some long exhale
breathing. You can do a sauna but
obviously you're out on tour. You you
want to bring it down a notch and you
got to get on the bus or the plane the
next day and go. And so yeah and you
know
>> it can be hard to sleep. Look,
evolution, you know, hardwired circuits
so that the desire to, you know, ride
this roller coaster up to this peak and
then crash down again, you know, and and
make sex, you know, ideally with
somebody else, you know, but if
apparently you're alone, you know,
you're trying to find a way to do that,
>> right? So, you know, that's it's that
brings you into a so-called lower le
lower arousal parasympathetic state,
right? And as dopamine goes up,
testosterone goes up in women and men.
Okay? And then after orgasm, dopamine
goes down and a and a hormone which is
basically a a a hormone uh prolactin
goes up and that sets the refractory
period
>> during which time you need a higher
stimulus
thing to get you aroused. Coolage
effect.
>> Yeah. The coolage effect like in
roosters this whole thing if you trade
out the hens then they can continue to
copulate over and over again. to some
extent is is true in humans. But um you
know there there also I sort of joked
about the Tadal feel and that was it was
indeed a joke. But there there's some
interesting things like if you want to
play this game you can although I'm not
sure I want to encourage your porn
habit. I'm not I'm not a porn guy but
when you were saying like the refractory
period the refractory period can be
shortened. Yeah. Right. By um blunting
the prolactin response that can be done
with taking something like P5P which is
a it's related to vitamin B6 and it
blunts prolactin somewhat. um you know
there drugs which I don't recommend
people take but these prescription drugs
like cbergoline and things like that
which um in inhibit prolactin
>> and you know there communities like like
in in the um like in the gay community
like there's a big use of some of these
drugs to have kind of marathon sex type
thing they'll use stimulants like meth
right I I have a friend who's a former
meth addict he happens to be gay and I
was like well I don't understand I've
never done meth but I'm like what's the
deal with meth and he's like oh the idea
is you know marathon sex right and then
when people get sober from meth
hopefully um they lose their sex drive
for a long long time. These systems need
to be recalibrated. We're talking about
extremes with drugs, right? One one
reason why I'm not one of these like all
porn is bad, but one reason why I I
personally am just not a fan of porn is
I think
>> it can you can dial in pretty much a
higher and higher threshold thing
without really having to do the work of
going out and finding a relationship.
And I think a lot of younger guys who
aren't married, who don't have a
relationship, they don't know how to use
it um kind of judiciously, right?
>> And there's no and and it never says no
to them either. So lot of issues with
porn in the younger younger crowd. So
>> I mean that's like for as comedians, I
feel like you're your 20s into your 30s
is probably the the time of the most
consumption. It is like you're alone
>> of of porn. Like you're alone.
>> You're a loser.
>> You're you're a loser. [laughter]
You're you're also in a strange place
like you're you know what I mean? You
have this like this isn't my
environment,
>> right? And you and then you throw in the
the performing and getting
>> bumped up from that and just being like
looking for
>> no one wanting to [ __ ] you.
>> No.
>> Yeah.
>> No, we're comedians.
>> Although call the boys do the crystal
me. Don't give me that [laughter] horit.
>> Are you kidding me?
>> I didn't hear what you said. I was
picking up on what Andrew's putting
down. Call the boys and fire up the meth
pipe, man.
>> Yeah. [ __ ] yeah.
>> Let's go. [laughter]
>> So, you're saying if you take the stuff
that suppresses prolactin that you can
>> the refractory the refractory period is
shortened. Yeah.
>> I want the refractory. That's
>> You're looking for some peace.
>> You're trying to optimize refractory.
[laughter] You're trying to
>> You're looking for some peace and ease,
you know?
>> I want to pass out. I want to
>> Yeah. So, I mean, I don't know. I mean,
I think we're um this seems like an
age-old method, I'm guessing, you know,
of of calming down. Hey, listen. Better
better that better that than taking like
a barbituate, right? True. You know, we
talk about the ' 80s, right? In 70s and
80s, if you look back, I just just
completed this frigin book finally
finally. Thank you. It's like 700 pages.
I apologize in advance, but it's like a
encyclopedia to be able to look up like
if you want more focus, what stimulants
could you consider? What are you willing
to take?
>> So, you took fully took the [ __ ]
rails off with this. It was like not
just stuff that's white market
available.
>> I was like, have lawyers read it for
whatever concerns you have. I'm like,
"Put the disclaimers you need." But
like, I didn't cover peptides and
hormones because that's stuff I'm still
exploring. But everything I know to be
true, I put in there. I just like I left
it all on the map.
>> That's pretty cool. That's cool.
>> I just put it all in there. And even the
introduction, like I get brutally honest
and I No, I not bad names. Like there's
some people that I wanted to credit and
things like that that I've been kind of
quiet about and I just it's all there.
Wait, can I ask you cuz we're talking
about like as guys that like we go on
the road, we perform and we're like
[ __ ] you know, getting to sleep is a
thing. Yeah.
>> What's the most like non prescription
drug like best way? Is there something
to consume maybe?
>> Consume or do
>> to do or maybe both?
>> I mean, look, if you behaviors first,
let's just say that. I'm not saying this
to like protect myself. Like, I've been
around long enough attacked enough for
every little thing that like, you know,
I don't tap dance anymore. I would say,
okay, you get back to your room.
>> It would be give yourself a hot shower.
>> Dude, that hot shower, right?
>> Paradoxically, is going to lower your
core body temperature. You need your
body temperature to start dropping to
get to sleep, okay? Which is, we can
talk about why that happens, but you
heat up the outside of your body. Then
there's this compensatory drop. It's
like you have a thermostat in your
brain. It goes, "Oh, outside of my
body's heating up." So then core body
temperature starts to drop when you get
out tow off. Then I would, it seems
silly, but when you deliberately exhale,
you slow your heart rate down.
>> You want your heart rate pretty low
before bed, but you don't have to have
it like really low. It's just in the
morning, you want your heart rate and
your cortisol spiked and get into the
day, caffeine, exercise, and all that
stuff. Look at your phone if you need
to. Get your sunlight, do all that
stuff. But in the last hour of your day,
whenever that happens to fall, some long
deliberate exhales. Normally, we don't
we normally we passively exhale, but
when you deliberately exhale, you slow
your heart rate down. It activates a
descending branch of your vagus nerve,
which goes to your heart. It activates
something called respiratory sinus
arhythmia which sounds bad arhythmia but
it's actually good. It's like the break
on your heart rate. It's the basis of
heart rate variability. So just some
like just bringing that down if you
wanted to take something you know
nowadays there's so many different sleep
supplements but you know something with
magnesium saffron some epigenine which
is chamomile extract and that would be
the supplement version you know. Okay.
So like it sounds like a plug but like
the AGZ supplement kind of combines all
those things. cuz that's what I'll I'll
drink like half a packet of that. There
are and I get in trouble for this
nowadays, but I'm kind of having fun
these days cuz like I don't really care
anymore. So now you just get the real
me. I mean, it was always the real me
minus the stuff I was like afraid to
say. But there's a peptide called
pinealon which is spectacularly good at
increasing REM sleep.
>> Okay. I would not take it every night.
You got to make sure you're getting real
pinealon. You I recommend you work with
an MD who gets it from a compounding
pharmacy, not buying it off the, you
know, they say Chinese peptides, but
they're from all over the world. This is
unfair to the Chinese, by the way. You
know, they make it sound like
>> they make other stuff, too.
>> They make other stuff, too. And for all
we know, there's some great Chinese
peptides, [laughter] but I recommend
getting your peptides from a reliable
source. But pinealon taken like three
nights a week. You'll notice that your
REM sleep is spectacularly good. Okay?
If you aren't getting enough deep sleep,
which is at the beginning of the night,
it is wise to not have eaten for about
two hours before you go to sleep. Dude,
I get like 20 minutes of I give so much
REM, but I get like 30 minutes of deep
sleep every night.
>> This is interesting. So, there's always
a trade-off. So, if you take something
to increase the amount of slowwave deep
sleep that you get, let's say, and I'm
not recommending this cuz these growth
hormone secrets increase growth hormone,
but things like testoellin, um,
serarellin, you'll get a bigger growth
hormone surge and you'll get more deep
sleep, but you'll get less REM.
>> Cannabis smokers get almost no REM, like
almost no REM, and then when they come
off cannabis, their dreams are wild. So
that's a well-known kind of rebound
effect. So the pinealon would be a more
advanced trick. Okay? And on and on and
on. But you know, and then some people
like I'm not a Xanax guy, right? But at
some level, you know,
>> if you are doing all the right
behaviors, you're not drinking caffeine
too close to sleep. You're doing the
shower, the long exhale breathing. Maybe
the the supplements either stack
together, you take them independently
and figure out what what you want and
what works for you, or you decide to do
pinealon every once in a while. You
know, I think you're doing pretty much
everything you can do. Yeah. And at that
point, you know, hopefully eight will
make a portable version because, you
know, it's a great thing to cool your
bed and all. It really does help.
Problem is, it's there isn't really a
good portable version of it. So, I keep
hoping they'll do that.
>> And keep it dark, you know, eye mask,
earplugs,
>> dark. Yeah. And then you're pretty much
there, you know.
>> What do you think about Trazadone?
>> Trazadone um supposedly keeps the
architecture of sleep, right? But I mean
these serotonin agonist I mean the
problem with tweaking serotonin is you
can end up with other effects right it's
an anti I think it was originally
designed as anti-depressant right doses.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So um I mean not my go-to.
There's a prescription drug called
quivivic which is in a class of drug
called the doras which works on the
hypocratinex.
Yeah it's very expensive but that seems
to improve uh REM sleep.
>> Quivic. Quivic very expensive like $30 a
pillar.
>> Dude, I took a I took a bomb last year
and it felt like someone had hit me in
the back of the head.
>> I don't know what that is. I So I want
to be careful. I don't
>> Same thing. It's in the It's in the same
category.
>> Yeah. [ __ ] me. It was like someone had
come in and just hit me with a hammer.
>> I stopped taking melatonin cuz you said
it shrinks your balls.
>> I mean melatonin.
>> That scared me off. But it
>> years ago I used to work on these little
Siberian dwarf hamsters and and they're
seasonal breeders and if they if you
give them melatonin like their their
balls shrink to the size of a grain of
rice. um daily a tiny tiny bit of fast
acting melatonin every once in a while.
>> Like when I say tiny amount, I mean like
300 um micrograms. Normally people are
taking like 1 to 10 milligrams. And
here's the thing, I say this and then
some people who are alleged sleep
scientists say they are sleep scientists
but um they are like oh no 10 milligrams
is the dose that was used in these
studies. Like I've run a lot of studies
when you're going for an effect you
often times will be like control group 5
milligrams 10 milligrams right cuz some
graduate students life is on the line
there's very few dose response curves of
these things done under the same
condition. So tiny tiny tiny amount of
melatonin if you're if you're going to
do that.
>> Um so it's not and that's not a problem
for occasional use, but a lot of people
are giving too much of it to their kids.
And then when kids are in the you know
melatonin helps keep puberty at bay and
then that there's a switch in the
patterns of melatonin secretion that
it's not the only thing but it
correlates with puberty. So by the way
your kids probably are going to start
having hormones in which case you're
effed because your kids are already like
in your face.
>> Wild.
How so? I mean, they're just they're
they're amazing kids, but they have
just, you know, my oldest is like very
competitive.
>> How old?
>> He's 10, but I [clears throat] mean,
he's he's like I'm 10 over.
>> No, for real. He's a fourth now. Fourth
grader. He's um you know, he does cross
country, does jiu-jitsu, he was in the
state finals for for cross country. But
he you see this thing like with um with
when you you realize with kids you're
like oh this is just like who you are.
Do you know what I mean? Like you so
like this kid he like he always is like
wants to compete at everything at
everything. It doesn't matter if it's
like
>> we're reading something. I'm going to
read this faster than you. He just wants
to come see.
>> Michael Jordan did.
>> He's also super emot.
>> Yeah I know. I hope it doesn't happen to
me.
>> Jesus [laughter] Christ.
What? But the the little guy
>> the little guy is like has a comedian's
personality 100%. He's a complainer.
Like comedians complain. Things
aggravate. You hang around comics
there's they're not indifferent to
things. They have So he's always just
like, "What's this [ __ ] table doing
here, [laughter] man?"
>> And you're like, "What?" He's like, "It
takes up the whole room. I keep running
into it like this is smaller [ __ ] you
know?" Like [laughter] I'm like, "Yeah."
Yeah. And he curses like that. I'm like,
"Yo, like you can't be talking." He's
like, "You [ __ ] say [ __ ] all the
time." Like I'm like, [laughter]
>> "Okay." Like he's fired up. And then
they're boys and so they just like they
love to break [ __ ] you know? Like I
everything nice that I just have I just
go I'm just going to take this somewhere
else, take this to the office because
they just break things, you know?
They're just
>> they're just fired up to to do that. And
so, yeah. No, we're still right before
puberty, you know, that like the
10-year-old is close, like he's getting
on the line.
>> They do. The funny thing is I like, you
know, obviously like you tease your
kids. So, like when I have people over
for dinner,
>> cuz I know it bothers them. I'll be
like, "Do you have a girlfriend?"
>> And because they're both that thing
where they're like they don't like
girls. Yeah.
>> So, like the 10-year-old will go, "What
kind of question is that?"
>> He goes, I go, "What?" He goes, "What
kind of question?" I'm 10. [laughter]
I'm not going to date a girl for years.
It's a crazy question, man. And I'm
like, "Okay." And then I'll turn to the
seven-year-old. I go, "Do you have a
girlfriend?" He'll go, "Fuck you."
[laughter]
And I'm like, "Yo." He goes, "Fuck you,
man." Okay. I don't have a [ __ ]
girlfriend. I'm like, "Okay." What does
your wife think about all this?
>> I mean, she laughs. I don't think she
doesn't try to provoke them as much as I
do cuz I think it's I think it's more of
a Who's more like who or is that a
thing?
>> Oh, 100%. Mhm.
>> I mean, the 10-year-old is her twin and
the seven-year-old is like my duplicate.
I mean, he's just exactly the same. We
react to this, like we'll be watching
something and like, you know, like a van
will like hit a guy on the side of the
road and you know, like in a movie or
something and the seven-year-old be
like, and then she'll be like,
[laughter] "He's you." You know, he's
you. And I'm like, "Yeah." I'm like,
"Jesus Christ, that's what I was
laughing at." Yeah. It's It's crazy.
They're exactly like him. Do you find it
easier to discipline the one that's more
like you? Like easier to understand or
is it throwing your sort of patterns
back at yourself? Do you get more
triggered by the one that's more like
you?
>> Oh, 100%. And also like
>> if I if I start getting loud, he'll just
he'll he was we were throwing the ball
and he threw the ball poorly, you know,
like to me. I go, "Dude, throw it to
me." He goes, "You got knees. Bend down.
Pick it up." Okay. [laughter] And I'm
like, "Jesus Christ." And then and I'm
like I'm like yeah I can you know like
but the the 10-year-old
and he's been like this since he was
like five which is so spooky to me that
like if I if he does something like you
know he knocked paint over and I go the
[ __ ] on man like what the what are you
doing? He'll be like, "I'm a kid and you
can just speak to me." And I'm like,
>> they're becoming self-aware.
>> And then you're like, "I'm a piece of
shit." Like, like immediately you're
like, "I cannot believe." Cuz he's
right.
>> He's out [ __ ] you.
>> Yeah. Oh, 100%.
>> Do they have phone uh you know,
smartphones?
>> No.
>> No, they don't have phones. They don't
have phones. Yeah. And we're not
planning on doing that anytime soon.
Yeah. Yeah. No.
>> Personality differences are crazy.
>> It's crazy. You're like, "Uh, that's all
kids." Three and six.
>> Three and six. Yeah. And you're like,
"All right, that's this is where kids
will be like." You have another one. and
you're like, "What the [ __ ] What
happened to you? What is this?" And and
it's just completely
>> It's funny. Mine are the opposite. My
oldest is like me. They both They share
characteristics, but my oldest is like
pretty introverted and like lowkey and
the other one's just like her mom where
she'll like we we had a little like it
was like they called it a daddy daughter
dinner. We go out and they played music.
And I'm like, "All right, you know, I
got to this is my moment. I dance with
my kids." And my youngest was like,
"Bro, I'm dancing my friends. Get away
from me." She just all night, she's
three years old, danced with her
friends. They just just like life of the
party. My oldest was kind of like,
>> "Ah, I'm going to chill out. This is a
little much for me." It was It was
really funny. But yeah, they're polar
opposite.
>> So weird.
>> Do you watch your swearing around them?
Like Tom, watch his sister.
>> They'll they'll get on me for it.
They'll go like, "That's a bad word,
Dad."
>> And then now the youngest one will throw
them back at me a little bit.
>> Yeah. Don't let them hang out with Tom's
kids. Sounds like sounds like they'll
pick up some choice.
>> My kids won't say hate. If they if we
say hate, they're like, "That's a bad
word." And I'm like, "Where did you get
this from?" She's like, "I think it was
from like their early early school." My
youngest curses more. Like the older one
Yeah. will curse less.
>> Same. That's how my young
>> The younger one will curse more.
>> The youngest my my wife told the the two
kids like, "Get your asses upstairs."
And the youngest was like, "Adults, get
your asses upstairs." She's three. We
were like, "Whoa."
>> I was kind of impressed. I was like,
"It's actually pretty good."
>> I think there's a big difference between
swearing and swearing at someone.
>> Yeah. Yeah. For sure.
>> You bang your knee on something, you're
allowed to say, "Fuck,
>> dude." Fundamentally different. My I
dropped a thing and one of my kids was
like I like dropped it was like she was
like you can say [ __ ] dad. I was like
thanks man that's
>> it really does feel like your kids are
parenting you more than you're parenting
them probably.
>> I think kids are smarter now. I swear to
God I think kids are way smarter now.
>> Back and you were like I was [ __ ]
maxing from birth.
>> I was 100%. I didn't talk to people at
all. My kids are like hi how are you?
How was your my they'll like
congratulate people when they have a
baby. My three-year-old will be like
congratulations.
>> Just a random she'll never told her to
do this. She'll go up [clears throat]
and be like, "Congratulations." And
they're like, "Thanks."
>> That's good. But she doesn't say, "I'm
sorry." [laughter] Like, "Fuck."
>> It's wild, dude. It's so
>> Oh, man.
>> The fact that they become self-aware and
they know I'm a kid. It's like, oh, no,
no, no, no, no, no. You're not supposed
to be able to watch the rules of the
game. You're supposed to be in the
Matrix. You're not supposed to be
observing the Matrix.
>> Hyper aware.
>> Yeah. I I try to really catch myself on
that like this is what I supposed if I'm
going back and forth like do this right
now and they're like, "No, I'll I'll
want to be like just do what I say." And
then they'll come up with a reason. And
I'll be like, "That's actually a fair
point. You're good. Go ahead."
>> It's crazy like the emotional
intelligence thing also is always like
so like that the 10-year-old. We were in
a setting where someone was like, "Who
do you love the most?" And he was like,
"My mom." And I was like, "Yeah." And
then later on he came back. He goes,
"Hey, I just wanted you to know that
when I said I love mom the most, he
goes, "I love you just as much. I just
spend more time with her. So, I feel
like that's And I was like, [laughter]
>> I was like, "No, it's okay, man." Like,
he was like, "I just didn't want you to
feel like I didn't love you as much."
And I was like, "It's cool. You're 10.
Like, stop.
>> [ __ ] me."
>> Yeah. That's rad. Yeah.
>> Well, I'm an only child, so I was
essentially autistic. I had like autism
until age like 20 when I went to
university. I'd been in university for
two years. I was like, "Oh, okay. I've
like integrated with society in this
way." I don't know any only children
that are normally adapted. not you just
don't have the same amount of social
exposure, but you guys can uh
>> you know what was I going to say? You
guys can play with yourselves. Um you
know, but [laughter] you know the uh No,
but you you know, but um it's true like
they that kids who grow up alone know
how to like integrate with adults in the
family and then they go to their room
and they do their thing. I suppose
nowadays they have iPads and
>> definitely comfortably in solitude and
stuff, but yeah, [ __ ] I do. I I I
remember when I went to uni was 18 and I
didn't know that you were supposed to
knock on someone's bedroom door before
you went in because I'd never had to
knock on anyone's bedroom door. Mom and
dad always went to bed after me or
whatever and there was like I was never
going to [ __ ] like there's just not
no reason to do it and no brothers or
sisters. So I was like I had to learn
[ __ ]
>> just not Yeah. They don't burst into
your [ __ ] housemates in the uni halls
of residence.
>> That makes sense though. You just didn't
have
>> it's never been patented. Meanwhile,
your 10-year-old's like giving you
counseling advice. He's bringing your
emotions back into land after maybe
making you feel uncomfortable.
>> I know. It's so it's it's so unex and
you're like, "Who taught you this?" You
know, like he wasn't taught. He just
>> a kids getting smarter. Is that a thing?
I don't know. I mean, I know that the
language learning data show that, you
know, kids can literally say words
they've never heard before that are
accurate to the meaning of the word.
They'll construct sentences in novel
ways they haven't heard. you know I mean
there there's some fundamental units of
language in the brain that you know
different lang different you know place
all over the world you know kind of
hijack the same machinery to construct
language so there's a template for it
right and so maybe [clears throat] if
they're getting more there's a a guess
here it's conjecture pure conjecture
that they're you know able to access
lots of more movies and television shows
kids aren't online but you know they're
hearing many more different dialects and
and things from different people that
they're able to come up with novel
combinations that we weren't able to to
access. My sense I she had like the car
like the door like the unlock thing the
key whatever and I can't even talk but
she was like I was like here I'll show
you how to do it. She go three-year-old
she was like I'm an expert.
>> I was like where the [ __ ] did you hear
expert from? It was bizarre and she
actually did know how to unlock it
properly. And I was like all right man
I'm done. You can just have my money
when I die.
>> But this is [laughter] good right cuz
this is a generation who's going to take
care of everybody.
>> I think so man. She I'm an expert.
She'll be four in a couple weeks. But
she was like, "I'm an expert." And I was
like,
>> "That's rad.
>> Where'd you hear that from? It's I swear
they're smarter."
>> Yeah.
>> I I really think so.
>> The language thing is spooky. Like they
start constructing sentences with
vocabulary and and correctly, you know,
like you hear it all the time and you go
like, did you hear that in a show or
something like [laughter]
that?
>> I mean, I don't know if these data ever
held up. You might have covered this on
your podcast in terms of like sibling
order and only children and etc. But
wasn't it the case that um only children
in terms of just successful life
outcomes, you know, by the sort of like
standard metrics that they tend to do
better on average?
>> I think so. But that
>> I don't know whether it's on average,
but you're certainly going to get more
outliers. It's just weirder inputs,
>> right? You're going to get more
variability in in what happens. And for
some of those, it's going to end up with
extreme success. And for others, it's
just going to end up with like [ __ ]
trying to shoot the president or
whatever.
>> Oh, [snorts] yeah. It's a fine line. But
there used to be these theories like,
you know, you date someone who's an only
child and like they need a lot more
attention or something. But then you
could also say, well, no, but they grew
up being able to spend more time alone.
So like I don't think any of this stuff
really holds. I don't know. I I ask in
in seriousness, not just cuz you're an
only child, but because um you cover
some of this stuff on your
>> guy that's done, 100 podcast episodes
needs some attention.
>> No, maybe.
>> No. The guy,
podcast episodes, and a significant
fraction have centered around human
dynamics and biology and psychology.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm actually a
fan of your podcast, just FYI. That's
why I make that.
>> We're all fans of each other. I got to I
got to show you this. I I learned this
thing about this 21-year-old college
student in Austin who has made $43,000
running an AI only fans account. Dude, I
I just heard that I had this meeting
where they were talking about how
>> Oh, he's doing like Oh, no.
>> Wow.
Wait, so that's the dude and that's the
>> that's the guy
>> and she's the AI version that he's
selling.
>> Yep.
>> Um,
>> okay. Well, this it's a 22-year-old.
This is like her avatar, right? So, he's
using Claude Code and Flux and 11 Labs.
And basically, she can chat 24 hours a
day with all of her subscribers. And her
top fans paid nearly $2,000 in messages.
Average revenue per fan, $34. And uh she
doesn't sleep, there's nothing to film,
no one's typing. Claude Code writes
every message. Flux generates every
photo and 11 Labs generates her voice.
>> What's the added context? Is it
>> Only Fans requires verification that
includes individuals ID addresses in
numerous forms. There is no camera, no
girls, and no Only Fans except for a lop
farming Twitter revenue with a madeup
story.
>> Well, it's a good story. It's a good
Well, there there's there's something
that is happening with with because you
know with AI is um what what what
Hollywood is embracing right now is
>> like sets right like so in other words
they'll they're they'll bring in the
actors for real right now and they'll
say like okay you guys are are acting
we'll put a table in the room but this
is going to be in you know whatever it's
outdoors like the table is in Siberia so
the the set is AI right but What some
apparently Only Fans performers have
been approached is for a payout where
they already have a following. Like the
Only Fans person has a following.
>> A company goes, "We'll pay you x amount
of dollars to have your your Only Fans
account for like six months." And then
the a what they're doing is putting the
the only fans person into an AI
situation, having them do wilder things
than they actually do, generating a
whole crazy amount of revenue. And now
that Only Fans performer is like, "Yeah,
but I didn't do this stuff, you know?"
So they're like,
>> "And then you're obliged when you get
your account back. You're like, "Hey,
but do you remember what you were doing
with your feet for the last 6 months?"
>> Yeah. You were drinking piss and now
you're just like posing again.
>> Yeah. Well,
>> so they're exploiting the hell out of
them with
>> I mean that the level of exp self
exploitation to actual exploitation.
>> Yeah, exactly. Right. Wow.
>> That's crazy. But I mean, you can
obviously like that was that's nuts,
too.
>> Well, the video still exists regardless
of whether or not the guy set up the
system to do the thing. Like that dude
is making that work by masking
>> girl over the top of him wearing a
pants. Do you think we're close to the
point where like you can go on vacation
and then just have AI, you know, this
this pipeline generate a podcast and no
one will know? [snorts]
>> So
like Notebook LM kind of does this
already. I've had a couple of
conversations with different platforms
that are thinking about doing it too.
That makes me a bit uncomfortable. But
the [ __ ] thing that I'm going through
at the moment, which is wild, is 11
Labs, their go-to British voice. So 11
Labs is like the big AI uh text to
speech
>> company. Matthew McConna is a investor
in it's made tons of money. It's
absolutely [ __ ] ripped. Their go-to
AI British voice is me.
>> That makes sense.
>> 1% being trained on me. It's awesome
until people use it as voiceovers for
products that I don't endorse.
>> That's when you sue my friend.
>> Dude, we emailed them. We emailed 11
Labs
>> a year ago and said, "Hey, like this is
[ __ ] Chris. like you've used Chris's
voice and they said, "Oh, we've done a a
Rushman Heisman test and it's come back
at 3 similarity and it needs to be above
65 in order to I'm like, dude, it
doesn't 11 Labs poached you or these
other people poached you."
>> No, 11 Labs used their archer. They must
have trained this voice on you. Like,
pull up that uh essay, the the video
essay, the M14.
>> I got someone I'm going to connect you
to. I got a friend who's like perhaps
the world's best scientist on uh the
neuroscience of of speech and language.
And
>> is he going to be able to say, "Yeah,
that's [ __ ] Chris's voice. Give him
some money."
>> Yeah. Because I don't know what I don't
know what criteria they're using. I
don't know what criteria they're using.
Yes, you do. Your name, face, and
likeness. And that's your likeness. The
um
>> I don't know what criteria they're
using, but there's a way where you look
at the envelope of the frequency and you
could there's the reason it sounds like
you is because they're capturing some
overall essence. Now, it's true with
certain music, like certain songs,
right? If you change a couple chords,
then you you escape the copyright. So,
that's essentially what they're doing,
right? But, um,
>> yeah, there's there's there's ways to
address this with them where I'm not
saying get legally aggressive. It cost
you a lot of money. It costs a lot of
time. But, but you own your voice. Just
like I can't take a picture of you and
just like like tweak something just a
little bit and then make a video and
have you sell something, you know? I
tried that. I got caught. [laughter] The
only fail.
So, um, yeah, but you do have a [ __ ]
look at this. Look at this video essay.
>> It's been over 12 years since the
disappearance of flight MH370.
>> Three massive searches, more than $200
million spent. And on March 8th, 2026,
[music]
Ocean Infiniti officially called their
last search. Their CEO, Oliver Plunkett,
essentially admitted what no one in the
official investigation wanted to say.
Maybe the plane simply isn't where we've
been looking. But one man wasn't
surprised.
>> Yeah, this is you. It's me, Jeff.
>> Is this not supposed to be you?
>> No, it's not me. This is Archer from 11
Labs.
>> People think this [laughter] is you.
>> Okay. People think that this is my
secret second channel where I do video
essays.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But if it was, you
would be saying this right now.
It's not my secret second aviation
files. Like this video is good. I
watched it. I really enjoyed it.
[laughter]
>> What's up?
>> And there's people doing like chilleit
company ads. The [ __ ] weird
>> raises FSH just a little bit. But it
does
>> uh you should be doing more voiceover
work though anyway.
>> Voiceover is great.
>> Thank you. It's a shame.
>> You should be you could be Planet Earth
for sure.
>> Infinitely scalable with that. But
>> I want to hear you on the Simpsons,
>> dude. It's very Well, it's that one's
strange. But then there's another one.
What people are using it for is ads. So
they're putting my voice as the voice
over for ads and originally it was just
like VO with subtitles
>> at this if if it's getting in ads it is
worth doing some like at least legal
kind of experimentation here.
>> There are a couple of people I can put
you in contact with who are absolutely
world class at suing the pants out of
these companies. This is the advantage
of being friends with you
>> getting real money and bankrupting the
[ __ ] out of them. Now I don't want to
bankrupt 11 Labs. In fact, I think
they're actually I think we actually
have a relationship in 11 Labs.
[laughter]
>> Dude, look at this. Look at this. Look
at this one. This is [ __ ] insane.
Watch this.
>> Hey, why don't they just change it?
>> But you're the first comment.
>> Yeah.
>> Does Chris Will know that you've stolen
his voice and then tagged my manager?
Yeah. Wow.
>> [ __ ] So, but that's over an AI guy
that isn't me and that feels even more
[ __ ] penicious.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> So, yeah. I mean, I'm getting
>> Yeah. When there's a voice. No, I I hear
you. Like, we years ago there was this
uh Jawserizer ad.
>> I remember that one
>> with my with me talking all AI, right?
So, and people, you know, I get enough
crap anyway, but people were like, "Oh,
the Jawserizer." I'm like, "I'm not."
So, this was all AI.
>> You do have a big neck.
>> That sucks. We We [laughter]
>> I train my You got to train your neck,
guys. You got to train your neck.
>> Do I iron neck it? No, I have a four-way
neck machine or I do something uh like a
plate with wrapped in a towel and you
know that kind of thing. Um it's your
upper spine. It's important. I don't
have the best posture, but I don't have
the worst.
>> Doesn't that mess with your sleep?
>> Uh Alex Jones said you make Alex Jones
stabilizes a whole shoulder girl. A lot
of guys with shoulder shoulder issues.
>> What do you mean you don't want a thick
thick neck?
>> You have like a [ __ ] like
carpenters's thumb for a neck.
>> You don't want You don't want a neck so
big that it restricts your breathing.
>> Yeah. Well, you know, Alex Jones says if
your neck gets big enough, you produce
DMT in your sleep, which is why he's in
he's in connection with interdimensional
entities and that's where he gets a lot
of information. So, I was just checking
behind that. The fact that he owes a
nearly a billion dollars. Um, but hey,
the last person I want to get [laughter]
into the mix with is Alex Jones. I don't
know him. I've seen some things here or
there. His employees get shot walking up
to their house. Seems like a dude to
avoid for the most part. But anyway,
love and light, as they say in Los
Angeles. Fair enough. I I I [laughter]
don't I don't know.
>> It's a level of neck thickness you can
get to where you just start producing
drugs.
>> DMT and his sleep. That's He claims his
neck's so thick he produces DM.
>> That cannot be real.
>> So it's just it's so funny. It's so
funny though.
>> That is funny to just brag about a thing
you're like okay yeah sure.
>> He's like random node connector like in
terms of you just [laughter] like you
know like the uh there's this thing in
psychosis called clang associations
where people who are psychotic start to
associate the sound of a word like the
phonetics of it with the meaning. So
they'll be like, I was out for a walk
talk. We should talk, you know, and then
they kind of go down these, you know,
the the brain is broken in some sense,
right? And so they're following these
nodes that are not of reality at some
level or they're pseudo random or hyper
random. Um, and so clang associations
often show up in like the health and
wellness thing where I these are hard to
think, but where someone will say,
"Yeah, you know, I um"
>> where people do it visually. They'll be
like, "Oh yeah, you know, walnuts are
really high in this particular fatty
acid. It's good for your brain." And it
looks like a brain and that's why it's
good through your brain and you go
>> that's a visual clang association.
That's psychotic.
>> It's like numerology.
>> No, it's true that the fatty acid in
walnuts like it might have some brain
benefits like but it's not because it's
it's not in the shape of a brain because
of that. So humans love to do these
things. Um there's something called
paridilia which is like people look at
clouds and be like oh my god it looks
like like a puppy dog or something. But
some people take that into the world
right. They can be great artists but
they always be effing crazy. Do they
take that into the world?
>> Well, some people will take that into
the world and they'll, you know, they'll
see something and they'll go, "Oh, you
know, that that window is like a matrix
that matches something I hobby for and
there's like a there this is like a
portal to that other thing." And you
can't really argue with their logic
because they can usually do the simple
math of it, but it doesn't it doesn't
square with like a functional life. And
if you go and if you hop on their thing,
like you're effed like you're not
getting anything done that day, right?
Even in psychedelic journeys like the
this is what's interesting I think about
some of the real psychedelics like
psilocybin and LSD
>> there is this weird thing about them
which is it's not
really psychosis there seems to be some
some real structure about the
unconscious mind revealed in those under
those drugs and you know that's why
people always use the the guy who
developed polymer's chain reaction which
you can use to amplify DN DNA which is
used for everything from you know
forensics to you know genealogy all
sorts of things you know you evaluating
embryos you know seeing if kids are
going to be healthy all that stuff that
supposedly that guy came to the logic of
that on an LSD trip now he also did a
lot of really hardcore science he knew
his math like he really he understood
but there does seem to be some like real
core structure of the way that thing
that the world is is built and the way
that the mind is built that can be
revealed you know, with proper support
in in psychedelics, but people are just
walking around like making these, you
know, clang associations. You find them
at a low you see a lot you hear a lot of
this in LA like within the health and
wellness thing and people be like they
sort of associate the shape of things
with how good they are for you or
they'll they'll some verbal like a
little like pun they'll think is real.
It's a bunch of horseshit. It's like
it's it's not quite psychosis but it's
kind of like veering there.
>> Have you experimented with and so Alex
Jones I'm not calling him psychotic. was
like, "Let's [clears throat] take two
things, DMT and neck size, and you go
like like [laughter] a listen, I would
be the first person open to it. I I
would be totally open to it if there was
any kind of like high." Yeah, we've
dissected a lot of human bodies over the
years, like the the medical and science
community. Like, so if there's a basis
for it, like I would be totally
interested. I think the chakras are
really interesting as like convergence
centers for, you know, uh for nerves and
vessels that might have some real basis.
So I don't think it's
um he seems to be really good at like
merging themes
and here we are talking about it.
>> Have you ever have you ever seen the
website for speurious correlations?
>> No, but that's this is what this sounds
like.
>> [ __ ] unbelievable. So this is
basically mapping two things onto a
graph that seems like they're correlated
but can't be. It's like I swear the
number of films that Nicholas Cage was
in and the number of people that die by
eating cheese per year is the same.
Okay. [laughter] Right. Right. Awesome.
>> Annual US household spending on
alcoholic beverages correlates with the
number of septic tank services and sewer
pipe cleaners in New Hampshire.
>> Love this.
>> Yeah, exactly. Go down. Go down. The
popularity of the call me maybe meme and
the kerosene use in Panama.
>> Like almost one to one.
>> Whoa. Right.
>> Like Google Google searches for that is
sus and a stock price for this [ __ ]
random company.
>> Love it.
But the question is, were these pulled
together um at random or did they or did
they, you know, they search for common
curve?
>> This guy, this Tyler Van Tyler Van guy,
like he literally tries to find things
that are just correlated and this
website is fil there's thousands of
them.
>> Like how nerdy Tom Scott's YouTube
titles are and the number of movies that
Maunis appeared in.
>> Damn.
>> Like it's [ __ ]
>> Chipotle Mexican girls.
>> This [laughter] is so good. Ticket sales
for the Houston. you showed this to
somebody that was psychotic, they would
be [ __ ] flipping out. They' be like,
>> "Well, this is all the sort of stuff
with conspiracy theories. Google
searches for why do I have green poop
and solar power generated in Bulgaria,
[laughter]
>> motor vehicle?" Johnny Depp.
>> Yeah. Number of movies Johnny Depp
appeared in.
>> There's another Pirates of the Caribbean
coming out or Caribbean. I don't know.
Johnny,
>> I believe so.
>> Nice.
>> I might have I might have heard that
from a very reputable source. Yeah.
>> Was it Johnny? No.
>> You friends with Johnny?
>> No, never met him.
>> Oh,
>> it's gonna be a fat check for Johnny,
dude.
>> Dude, I think his comeback people are
eagerly awaiting back.
>> Yeah.
>> I mean,
>> what do you reckon he got paid?
>> I think he has
>> for the movie
>> for for the new Pirates. It's going to
be
>> it's going to be a a sizable guarantee.
He's going to have a massive piece of
the back end cuz it's it's not makeable.
>> You can't do it without him. So, the
piece of the back end is going to be
>> What's that? What's piece of the back
end?
>> Well, points. He's going to have a
percentage probably from maybe if if he
has the best deal, it's going to be like
dollar one gross percentage, which is
like the moment somebody buys a ticket,
he's gets a piece of that and that could
be a billion dollar box office thing.
So, he could be getting uh I mean, if
it's as big as we would anticipate, nine
figures for doing a movie.
>> That's like the Jordan.
>> Yeah, that's a lot.
>> It's a comeback. I wonder if it'll
compensate for what he lost, got from
the trial and then gets from this.
Whether or not, you know, if you looked
>> financially in terms of [ __ ]
emotionally emotionally famously a loose
spender, you know, so
>> Oh, you never read that article. It was
[ __ ] amazing, dude.
>> About his spending habits.
>> Yeah. Yeah. It was a Rolling Stone
article that it was like a 20page thing
about like how he spends and it was I
mean it's just like fascinating because
he was he was spend like he's obviously
can at the time you know generate crazy
income but he would spend wild. So like
if he liked a car he would be like I
like this car and I have eight houses so
I want one of each of these cars at the
eight houses. He was spending like 30 or
40 grand a month on wine like every
month. It was it was just multiples of
everything. And
>> I think I heard about the wine in the
trial. They called it a mega pint.
>> Yeah. And then like [gasps]
>> I don't know there was a thing with the
business manager. He was like they're
like you're behind on taxes and and
payments to us. But then he would like
do a movie so then revenue would come in
and then you know but it was it was like
Floyd Mayweather.
It was it was a crazy all of Depp's
reported $650 million fortune is gone
according to Rolling
>> Tyson levels of acrruel and loss.
>> That's [ __ ] serious.
>> There is something nice about that of
just getting to spend all 650 million
bucks.
>> Well, what's interesting is
>> hang on hang on. Depp reportedly spent
$75 million on more than a dozen
residences. $3 million to shoot the
ashes of his friend Hunter S. Thompson
into the air from a cannon.
>> That's pretty gangster. $7,000 to buy
his daughter a couch from the set of
Keeping Up with the Kardashian. Okay,
that's that's
>> I know that's [laughter]
>> [ __ ] insane.
>> Yeah, pretty wild.
>> I love it.
>> I mean, it's a it's a it's a fun life.
Also, he's been famous since such a
young age. It's amazing he's
>> he's as sane as he is, you know, and I
don't know him and I'm assuming he's
sane, but you know, earlier we were
talking about, you know, sort of like
how different it is now. Like, can you
imagine growing up where you see
yourself on a screen and on the
internet? Like, you know, I didn't see
myself on a screen until I was like 45
years old. Your brain's mostly
developed, right? For better or worse.
But like as a kid, like, and then you're
making money for it and then you're just
out there. It's wild.
>> No. And he was like that as like 19.
>> They claim that's kind of what killed
Elvis. He was like one of the first
people ever to have his image projected
pretty much all across the world on like
television. Got to be a mind.
>> Elvis, they they claim that like the he
was one of the first people to have like
a massively popular visual like a
doppelganger basically and you have to
like watch yourself and millions of
people are watching you. They they said
that kind of just likeing.
>> Yeah.
>> When I saw that movie, I forget what the
movie was called about his manager and
that whole thing. I swear, you know, if
there wasn't a better case for circadian
health than that film cuz, you know,
it's like the darkness of the hotel and
he's in there all day and like he went
wacko. If you want to make someone,
there's this thing called ICU psychosis
where people come into the intensive
care unit,
>> and they're being woken up in the middle
of the night and they've got lights on,
you know, there's like hospital life,
right? And they start to become
genuinely psychotic. They go home, the
psychosis lifts. This is a well-known
phenomenon because their circadian
rhythm is so out of whack. You have
enough fractured sleep like that for
enough time, like you will lose your
mind.
>> What's the What's the longest someone's
ever stayed awake? Do you know?
>> Oh, I forget. someone like some radio DJ
did this in the 70s or something as like
a a fundraiser
and it was like and when we looked this
up but I think 60 days or 70s I mean
eventually you die right because there's
so much inflam now we know it would be
kind of um catastrophic levels of
inflammation I mean during sleep you're
the whole reset of the body is like
tamping down uh inflammation
coordinating the different organs of
your body like getting them back in
check like oh like your your you know
your liver and your and your stomach
they're working on
time scales, but they need to be like
kind of nudged into place like an
orchestra. I don't know. So, yeah,
things really fall apart here. Randy
Gardner. Here we go.
>> Um,
>> 11 days and 25. Wow. The record was set
by Randy Gardner, a 17-year-old high
school student in California as part of
a science fair experiment. Researchers
monitored him throughout and it was 11
days 25 minutes, which is 264 hours.
Interestingly, after finally sleeping,
he recovered surprisingly well with no
obvious long-term damage reported at the
time.
>> Well, he was young. It definitely helps
when you're young.
>> Yeah.
>> Uh, what's the longest that you guys
have ever stayed awake?
>> I mean, several days. Really?
>> Yeah. Several days. Yeah. I I can't
>> any stimulants besides caffeine?
>> No. No.
>> This is a safe space.
>> Yeah. No. No. No. [laughter] There.
>> Was it at a meth potty?
>> No. I just I was
>> There was also [laughter]
travel involved. Yeah. you know, and
yeah, it stayed up and
>> real just
>> real pushing through push through a few
times.
>> I had this thing in college where I just
started being like one day a week, I'll
just stay up all night and work at
night. I was going to deliver [ __ ]
Somnia cookies. I'll just I'll stay up
24 hours, go to school, then work the
other 12. If I stay up all night, one
night a week, I'll be fine. It just
shattered me in like a week and a half
and I was like, "All right, I
>> even
It really these days I'm so much more
sensitive to it, though. Yeah, as you
get older, you need the regularity. You
also get the experience of how much
better it feels when you actually go.
>> Why is it that you're less tolerant to
[ __ ] with your sleep when you're
>> 45 than when you were 25?
>> Just global levels of of inflammation as
you get older just inflammation
increases.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, sort of the amplitude of
inflammation on the circadian cycle like
if it looks like this when you're, you
know, young, it starts to look like
this, then you sleep deprivation. I'm
making this, but like as a sort of like
top contour plot, you'd be like it's
really amplified. Then you're like
inflammation kind of like cortisol,
right? You're meant to have this big
cortisol peak in the morning and that
subsides. That's super healthy. That's
the healthy pattern. But if you start
staying awake, it starts getting jagged
line, you know? And
>> well, how long have you stayed awake?
[sighs]
>> Day and a half probably is the most.
>> Uh I I've struggled to sleep on planes
and when I was always like go to Bali
and stuff like that be overnight. And
then you arrive there and you're all
excited. You're like, it's the middle of
the afternoon. [ __ ] it. I'm going to
start drink. I'll go have a party, meet
friends, do stuff.
>> Probably about a day and a half, I
guess. But like
>> May maybe two, maybe two. Yeah,
>> there's no way I've done 48 hours.
There's no way.
>> Yeah, I can do one night
>> cuz you wouldn't ever do 48 unless you
change time zones a lot, right?
>> You would only ever do 36, right? Or
whatever the [ __ ] next one is.
>> Doing it on a plane is tough. I mean,
like when you talk to the guys that did
do buds and stuff, they're they will
tell you like they get the opportunity
at one point to take like a 30-minute
nap and some of them just opt out cuz
it's harder than if you just keep
moving. I don't know if that's true.
Have you seen Backyard Ultras? You seen
this?
>> Oh yeah.
>> So this last man standing
>> last standing races. So Nick does BPN
here.
>> That guy Chad um
[sighs] former SEAL guy. Long red beard.
Chad Wright.
>> Did he win?
>> I think he does these last man standing
tricks.
>> Have you seen these? Do you know this is
a legit badass? That guy will he'll run
your ass to death basically.
>> 4.1 miles. Every hour you have to
complete. I think it's 4 miles and
there's a loop and by the time that the
bell rings for the beginning of the next
hour, you have to have completed the
loop and if not you're out and they just
go until everyone quits, right? So, uh
just how how far like sorry um yeah,
there it is. 4.17 miles uh or 6.7K
>> until you drop.
>> What's the winner? How many does the
winner do?
>> Dude, the guy just did that bare one.
>> It was like two days. He was running for
two days. It was, wasn't it likeund and
some like some crazy amount of mile?
Like
>> I think it was 200 miles.
>> 200 miles.
>> Yeah. More than more than 200. But these
guys just [ __ ]
>> they just keep going and then they're
grabbing short bits of sleep. Obviously,
it's a trade-off, right? You faster, you
get more tired. You get all the rest.
You have like a
>> So you can take a little nap.
>> You if if you completed it in let's say
30 minutes, you have 30 minutes to spend
how you want, right?
>> But then you've just done four miles in
30 minutes, which is more tiring than
four miles in 45 minutes. I think most
people it seems like do like 45
minutesish of movement and then 15
minutes of recovery and then go again.
Like it seems like
>> the recent Backyard Ultra, Phil Gaul ran
114 laps of the Backyard Ultra format,
475 miles over nearly five straight
days.
>> And he went to 496.
>> He nearly did 500 miles.
>> That's crazy.
>> I don't
>> Yeah, that's some Forest Gump [ __ ] right
there. I would do one and then eat and
then stop. [laughter]
>> I know that's a good workout.
>> Yeah, that'd be nice.
>> Yeah,
>> I've never run a marathon. I'm sort of
attempted, but not really.
>> Are you? You think you're not built for
a marathon, dude?
>> I ran cross country in high school. I
was a lot lighter. A lot.
>> You were half the size.
>> I was probably 100 pounds lighter. No,
no, no, no. I was about 75 lbs lighter.
>> Yeah, I'm like
>> You do any running? You do some running
now.
>> Thanks. How old are you?
>> [ __ ] We already did [laughter] this.
I you're saying I' I'm going to do a
marathon.
>> Someday I do a long slow run like an you
know I'll maybe do like six miles. So I
mean I used to do more I used to go
further like eight or 10 when I was
lighter right I'll do a long run then
midweek I do a 30 minute run at a faster
clip and then one day a week I either
get on the aerodine bike and you know do
some sprint intervals or I'll do some
running sprint intervals. Um and then I
lift three days a week
>> but you're actually like thinking about
doing a marathon.
>> Yeah. You know, every once in a while
someone will be like, "Hey, there's a
half marathon in uh like outside of
Aspen, which is beautiful, and you can
like crest into the town and we could,
you know," and I'm like, "That sounds
kind of cool. 13 miles seems, you know,
like doable." Like Mark Bell, he's a big
dude. Yeah.
>> I mean, Mark Bell is denser than dark
matter. Yeah.
>> You know, I'm not talking about your
brain, Mark. He's a smart guy. Um but he
has like the highest muscle density
ever. It's insane. When he moves, it's
like everything twitches.
>> Like one of those Belgian blue bulls.
>> Totally. Yeah. Yeah. And so he's run
marathons. He's constantly
>> What's crazy is he used to be like
highly competitive powerlifter and was
like 328 pounds and then now he just
shrunk all the way down but he's still
like that muscle is
>> I think he bench pressed 1,000 lbs. I'm
not kidding. I Is that possible? Do I
have that bench
squatted,000 squatted,000?
>> Can we look at Mark Bell's best bench?
He I mean he was genuinely fat too but
>> huge.
>> I wonder maybe it was 700 lb. I don't
know. In any case,
>> it's nuts. He was also doing the snake
diet recently. He was really the [ __ ] is
that?
>> Do you know about this where you just do
sugar all day long, low protein? So
there's this weird thing, right? And
there are all these crazy theories. I
want to just disclaimer. I don't
necessarily believe the mechanism, but
there's this idea that when you are low
protein, high sugar, you generate this
fiber fibroblast growth factor, one of
these FGFs that then converts into a
bunch of energy. And this is why like
kids have tons of the theory is this is
why kids have tons of energy. And so he
was doing this diet of just like fruit
and candy and low protein carbs all day
and then like a chicken breast at night.
And he claimed he got like super super
shredded on this. Had tons of energy. I
tried it for like half a morning and I'm
like I want my eggs. I want my protein
drink. I'm not doing this.
>> He he was he not carnivore for a while?
>> Sorry. 854 lbs. I apologize. I misspoke.
Not 1,000 lbs. But not that far.
>> But he's at 2,000 at 2,000 lb total and
he's at 1,000 lb squat which is [ __ ]
1,000b. That makes sense. Nobody
Nobody's bench pressing,000.
>> Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Was he not
the [ __ ] carnivore guy for a long
time?
>> Yeah. And he and his brother,
>> he's now the sugar maxing guy
>> basically.
>> But he also is got shredded on both
diets.
>> Yeah. He likes to experiment with he
loves to experiment with like
>> great guy. He and Nima are like a really
important corner of the health and
fitness world in my opinion because I do
genuinely believe that Nimma is natural.
like I he just has like wild genetics
and he trains really really hard and
>> and he's black.
>> Does that have anything to do with it?
>> He definitely has the ability of a guy
that could not be white and natural.
Like do you know anyone that's white and
natural that's built like that?
>> Yeah. I mean
Nima is not white. I agree with you on
that. I'm not trying to be politically
[laughter] correct. Um I don't know. I
don't know. Um, I it hadn't occurred to
me that it was that it was related to
>> I think that's an an enhancer when you
get to that level of performance.
>> All right, we have to get into Simon
here. I'm not trying to dance. I don't
know. But
>> he's a he's [ __ ] amazing.
>> But Mark is always doing these
experiments like he's into like the the
David Wack rope flow and he like takes
it to the extreme. He does it like every
day. He talks about it non-stop. Then he
does the snake diet which is the sugar
thing.
>> Then he's doing competitive kettle ball
swinging. I love it cuz he's willing to
do this stuff and he he's checked off
the boxes of like he's really good at
the stuff that he puts his mind big neck
as well. I bet he's got loads of DM
>> and he's also not selling you a damn
thing. Yeah. You know, and so he's just
like, you know, we need guys like him,
you know, and he's very open about his
steroid use. He has been for a long
time.
>> Hang on. I thought you said he was
natural.
>> Oh, no. Nima is right. Martin Bell is
definitely Martin Bell hasn't been
natural since whatever. Yeah. Fourth
grade. What's what's the truth about the
marshmallow test? Cuz I keep on seeing
this being debunked and rebunked. And
then you tweeted about it.
>> Yeah. So, this was done at Stanford,
right? Everyone's heard about it. You
put kids in front of a marshmallow. If
they can wait, they get a second
marshmallow. The kids that could wait,
um the original data said that
correlated with better life outcomes,
better SAT scores, better schools,
better income. You know, that kids who
couldn't wait, more incarcerations.
That was the idea.
>> Those data propagated widely and those
conclusions propagated widely. should be
not the data. The conclusions propagated
widely. Then there was the criticism.
>> Who did the original study? Was it
right?
>> So was at Bing I think it was at um Bing
nursery school in in uh at Stanford or
somewhere in Escanido village. Same
place that the drawing incentive
extrinsic motivation stuff was done. In
any case then there was the critique of
that which said well whether or not
these kids waited or not depended on how
much they trusted the experimenttor
which is also true. If the experimenttor
was someone that they knew and trusted,
then they well, they probably will bring
the second marshall. Okay, here's what
they act. So, I just had a guest on my
podcast, which is um a guy from uh Ohio
State. He studies self-control
motivation, and he knows this literature
better than anybody, and he studies it
in his own lab. Dr. Canaro Fuja, Fuja,
he told me, is the correct
pronunciation. Excuse me, Japanese
listeners. So, turns out the way the
experiment was done is every kid got a
marshmallow in front of them. A timer
was set for 15 minutes. Every kid ate
the marshmallow. Nobody talks about
this. No kid waited for the second
marshmallow, but they were able to see
how long they were able to wait before
they got the second marshmallow. So,
some kids were like, and the videos are
really cute cuz sometimes the kids would
like they have these tags where they're
like
>> like they're like looking at her. They'd
be like, you know, they're like trying
and they're like they're like thinking
about it. But every kid ate no kid made
it 15 minutes, which is interesting. We
never hear that. M
>> if you look at the data that way, it
turns out that even if you factor in the
critique and you look at the repetition
of that study, it turns out that this
self-control delayed gratification thing
does seem to hold up over time. You can
but you can build it out. You can
develop
>> How old were these kids? Do you
remember?
>> I forget maybe were they like five, six,
seven, I don't know. We can we look at
>> How good are your kids at [ __ ] not
eating a marshmallow that's in front of
them for 15 minutes?
>> One could definitely do it.
>> The competitive one.
>> 100%.
>> 100%. He has incredible like
self-discipline and restraint. Like it's
>> You tell him some other kid waited two
days, he's waiting three.
>> Oh, dude. Yeah, for real. And the other
one would be like, "Oh, just
immediately." And he'd be like, "It's
just gone. I don't know where it went."
>> I did. I did it with my oldest kid. I
actually did the marshmallow experiment.
But I was like, "Don't eat that." Cuz I
was like, "If you eat that, you're
[ __ ] Just please eat that
marshmallow." [laughter]
>> She was like, "All right." Scared the
[ __ ] out of her.
>> Disappoint me.
The rest of your life hinges on how long
it [laughter] takes you to eat this
marshmallow.
>> You have no idea what's at stake.
>> I mean, I feel like now more than ever,
child or adult, so much of life is
basically what you decide not to do.
Like, just don't stay on social media
too long. Like, go there and use it, but
don't stay on there too long. Don't
watch too much porn in your case, you
know? Um, that's a common problem. You
know, I feel [laughter] like I I feel
like you got it in a good place. I feel
like you got it.
>> I swear to God finally. Finally, after
years,
>> it was a problem.
>> Yeah, it was. It for me it was like um
it was never like a massive problem but
it just like there's like an intuitive
feeling afterwards where I just be like
it's not what I want to be doing and
then it's like just come on man you can
do this and then finally I'm like all
right I I don't want this anymore. Just
feels bad. It's like the people making
them there's no way you're telling me
the majority or even close to the
majority of the women making porn are
having like a nice life. You're like I
think you're feeding off like a really
sinister thing and it's
>> so for you it was it was guilt and shame
around how um other people are exploited
for your pleasure ultimately
>> in squishy 40-year-old boners after the
fact
>> that it all congealed and I was like
there we go that [clears throat] you
want to hear something really you want
to hear something you want to hear
something really embarrassing so I'm I'm
not an actor I've never been in any kind
of thing like that I tried to play when
I was a kid I end up doing crew like
with you like the curtain and stuff like
that. But recently, someone wrote to me
and they were like, "Hey, you're in
episode one and two of season 2 of Beef
>> and
>> we signed the release form for that."
>> Yeah. So, you're in it, too?
>> No, because it's We [ __ ] signed the
release for this, right? But so, I go to
it. I'm like, "Okay, cool." And they
give me the time stamp and I go to it.
Mhm.
>> I thought I thought I got punked cuz in
both cases it's a dude jerking off to
porn, then cleaning up his computer and
his hands and then he goes out for a run
listening to my podcast. Oh, nice.
>> So, this is how about dopamine. So, this
is how this guy gets over the guilt of
masturbation listening [laughter] to my
voice. So, I was like, you know, I was
all excited. I was going to like send it
to my mom. I was check my sister
[laughter] and I see this thing and I
was like, "All right." And then I I
asked my team. I'm like, "Did we approve
this?" And they're like, "Yeah, we
approved it." I'm like, "Yeah, you
approved it." Yeah.
>> But anyway, it was it was interesting.
>> One of the clips one of the clips is
from our episode.
>> Awesome.
>> So Rob, I think
>> your manager Rob and us were like,
"Yeah, sure. We'll sign it off." And you
didn't know about it.
>> Nice. Nice. [laughter] And this is why
you have male friends.
>> Exactly.
>> Way to go. [ __ ]
>> But yeah, that's it. It's just kind of
you finish and you're like, "This isn't
what I need to be doing." Especially
once you have kids, then you're like,
"Dude, I really can't do this in my
house." If you get busted by a kid, it's
it's over. You don't really want them
and it can happen and you don't want
them knowing you did this. So, it's
great that you're talking about this on
the internet.
>> Hey man,
>> I've never even thought about this. The
fact [laughter] that all of your fear as
a kid was being walked in on by your mom
or dad, but all of your fear as a parent
is being walked in on by your kid.
>> Oh my god. The trauma gets so much
deeper.
>> Way worse.
>> Yeah, it'd be horrible.
>> So, that was the one I was like, that's
a good insight.
>> You're gonna make a great parent.
>> So, [laughter] yeah. Yeah,
>> you will make a great parent.
>> I can't wait to be a dad. Uh,
>> you make a great parent.
>> What about Okay, the other thing that
I've kept on thinking about that I've
never asked you, sunscreen.
>> Is it killing us or not?
>> No, it's not killing us. Um,
>> is it bad for Should we Is it Am I
better?
>> We're going layers again, right? Couple
things to know. Yeah, I won't do the
whole
>> rabbit hole is [ __ ] This is like Alex
Jones [ __ ]
>> You need sunlight,
>> not just for vitamin D. You want
sunlight on your skin as much as
possible in terms of days of your life
that you can get it. That doesn't mean
as much sunlight as possible. Why? UV
light, right? Short wavelength light can
damage the DNA in your skin cells. Yes,
it can cause problems. You need a lot of
it. So, in order for that to happen,
here's the interesting thing. The UV
index is low when the sun is low in the
sky. Very easy to remember. So, early
day and later day UV index is low.
>> How do you know it's low? Well, you can
look on an app, you can Google it or
whatever, chat GPT it. But if you can
look at the sun and it's not painful to
look at, typically that's because the
sun is lower in the sky. There's
something called relay scattering and a
lot of the UV gets filtered out. Okay,
so getting some sunlight in your eyes,
as everyone's heard me say a million
times before, but also on your skin in
the early part of the day. And if you
can in the later part of the day, great.
In the middle of the day, the UV index
is very high. So if you're have pale
skin that can burn easily, you want to
be careful how much exposure you get at
that time. Now, sunscreen, okay, excuse
me. Shielding from the sun can be
accomplished by physical barrier, right?
>> But there's stuff in the sun that's not
sure what wavelength light, which is the
reds and the ultraviolet and the near,
you know, near infrared stuff. Excuse
me. Cut that. There's also wavelengths
of light. This is my area. So, we don't,
you know, keep it in. [ __ ] it. You know,
[laughter] we make mistakes sometimes.
I've made mistakes before. God forbid I
would misspe. All right. [laughter]
There are longer wavelengths of light in
the sun. So the or the yellows, the
oranges, the reds, the near infrared and
the infrared, which you can't see,
that's the heat from the sun. And that
stuff is really important for the
mitochondria of your cells. And it
actually can go through your body. This
was demonstrated by my friend Glenn
Jeffrey from University College London.
Even if you have a t-shirt, that's the
good stuff. Think of this like the high
quality protein of sunlight. So you want
that long wavelength light. It's not
present in LEDs, okay? It's present in
some incandescent bulbs. It's present in
in candle light and fire light. It's
present in sunlight. So, you want that
stuff. So, you don't want to completely
shield yourself from the sun, but if
you're wearing a light t-shirt like that
or like that or like that, some of
that's going to get through and into
your body. But if you know, if it's
appropriate for where you're at, you
take off your shirt and get some more of
your skin, that's that's great to do as
long as you don't burn.
>> Sunscreen typically blocks the UV, okay?
And there's sunscreen and sunblock and
it gets kind of nuanced. But if you are
worried about the endocrine disruptors
or you're worried about the coral reefs,
right, and the disruption to the oceans
that are caused by sunscreens if you're
swimming in the ocean, it's very simple.
Just use a mineral-based sunscreen.
Mineral only. So zinc [clears throat]
oxide only. Now, a lot of people in
particular, women don't like it because
it doesn't tend to rub in as well, but
there's some versions that do
>> and that works just fine. But this idea
that you need to completely shield from
the sun all the time except for people
who have like genetic abnormalities that
that require that it's complete
[ __ ]
>> What about the endocrine disruptors? Is
that true?
>> Well, those are mostly in the chemical
based sunscreens, right?
>> But that's what everyone's using.
>> The spray ones, the benzene based ones,
those are very problematic. Now, could
could you use them once in a while and
it's not a problem? Sure. But if your
kids are at the pool all day and you're
getting the stuff on, I mean, kids skin
is young skin is also much more
absorbent than older skin. So the simple
takeaway is try not to get burned. Get
some sunlight on your skin as much as
you can each day. It doesn't mean you
have to get completely naked. You know,
you can thin, you know, thin clothing
can can do it, but that longer
wavelength light is the red light the
best red light therapy in the world. And
then ultimately it's the balance between
the longer wavelengths and these shorter
wavelengths. And that gets into a
discussion about like are LED lights
bad? Well, they're not really bad, but
they're really blueshifted and they're
really short wavelength shifted. And
it's not just about disrupting your
circadian rhythm. If you're going to be
indoors a lot, you want to try and get
more of that long wavelength light. You
could get it from red light therapy. You
could get it from incandescent
bulbs. And you can best thing would be
get sunlight on you. And that whole
thing around LEDs maybe causing problems
for mitochondria, which is what the
short wavelengths light can do,
independent of the effects on sleep, was
considered kind of crazy quack science
until Glen Jeffy's lab started looking
at this and Nature magazine, which is a
legitimate scientific publication.
They've been around more than, you know,
hundred and something years. And the
serious science only, although there are
some, you know, there's some horseshit
papers are published there, but usually
gets corrected over time. They they
published a a review recently which said
yeah like yeah you can see what you want
is that balanced spectrum of long
wavelength medium wavelength and short
wavelength light but not getting burned.
And the best source of that is this
thing that we call the sun.
>> So and if you really want to enhance the
effect you get outside where there's a
lot of greenery because some of that
infrared light actually reflects off the
greenery. So this whole thing of
spending time outside and in nature
great. And even on overcast days some of
that comes through. So forgive the the
long kind of thing. And and yes, I said
UV on the long wave. It says short
wavelength light. And you know,
>> well, you want to you want to hear a
cool sun fact? I just I just researched
the sun the other day.
>> I did I I had Shane left so I had to do
a podcast like I'll just do outer space.
And I just talked about outer space. The
So the hydrogen fusion, whatever that
happens in the sun's core that release
that releases gamma rays, which if they
went through, they'll just like
literally sever your DNA. They'll kill
you. They bounce around in the sun's
core. that original light that's, you
know, originated in that reaction
bounces around the core for like 17,000
to 100,000 years in the core, then it
gets to the surface and shoots out in
like 8 seconds. If that and no one knows
like what's going on in there, but if it
didn't do it, we would just die.
>> We just get drowned in gamma rays and
just be dead. If if you ever wanteding
if you ever want to just trip out, you
just look at wavelengths of
electromagnetic radiation and sources
and damage. Like X-rays are damaging. We
know this, right? You don't want too
many of them. um microwaves, right? You
move, you know, heat things up from the
inside, basically. So, um and it's
really cool to just kind of think about
this and then people go, "Oh, like, you
know, is Bluetooth bad?" I actually use
corded headphones because I lose the the
stupid AirPods. Um
>> but
>> microwaves.
>> Mhm.
>> Question. Do you stand in front of the
microwave when it's going Yeah.
Interesting. We're completely relying on
the on the the the shield,
>> the literal see-through piece of
[laughter]
>> plastic. We have a lot of trust. The
other thing that we completely trust, I
always trip out on this stuff, is like
when the when the elevator door is
closing and it's going to go up or down
and that door is like huge and people go
to let somebody on. Think about it if it
didn't stop.
>> I know.
>> And you're just like ripped in half. But
we trust it.
>> We trust it.
>> We just trust it.
>> I always get kind of like I always had
kind of a like spooked out with the
microwave going like you know what I
mean? Like even like I just always stand
off to the side.
>> I'll scoot out to one side. Have you
ever seen people that have got fears of
escalators trying to get on?
>> Oh, yeah.
>> The videos of that.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> And they're like just terrified of the
fact that it and it's moving at, you
know,
>> some people get really scared
>> two or three miles an hour. No, even one
that's going up
>> like a travelator, you know, at the
airport and they're like holding on to
the side. Sometimes it's an entire
family. It's an entire family and
there's like a queue of people behind
them like to [ __ ] escalate. I was at
the airport and uh there was like a mom
and she was there and her she had like a
little kid that was like three or four
and the mom got on with all of her
luggage and it was this big, you know,
tall steep escalator and she started
going down. She turned around her kid
was like, "Yeah, right. I'm not going
down." And I just looked at her and I
was like, "You just put this kid on
here." And she was just like, "Yeah, she
didn't speak English." I said, "You just
give it up."
>> Just grabbed the kid and was like, "Come
on, man. Get on there." Just sent him
down to his mom. But yeah, it was she
was like, "Oh no, how am I gonna get
back up there?"
>> When she need to run up and she's going
down
>> two big suitcases, she couldn't she
wouldn't have been a [ __ ] American
gladiator.
>> My travel days are like rocking days. I
got this big bag I carry with all my
supplements, you know, like weighed down
and then if there's a big staircase, I
swear I'm the only person ever on the
stair
>> staircase. You feel powerful on it.
>> I just like getting the work in. I don't
like arriving, you know, sweaty, but you
know, it's, you know, there's some
shower.
>> That is the workload equivalent of you
not fapping over a weekend when you're
in a hotel. You're like, I did the hard
thing. Like, I did the I did the hard
version of this.
>> I'll I'll do the steps, too. I'll grab
my suitcase and be like, [ __ ] the
steps real hard.
>> Yeah. But then you're in your room
jagging off 10 minutes later. I got
places [laughter] to be. Yeah.
>> I'm just kidding, man. I'm not giving
you a hard time.
>> No, dude. I'm
>> I appreciate your vulnerability and your
openness about this, you know. Yeah.
Yeah, man.
>> Boys, I appreciate you all. Thank you
for [laughter] joining me. Tommy, your
thing
>> Oh, that's a word. Your thing came out
Your Thing came out yesterday. No. Uh
uh. Yes. Uh, Bad Thoughts season 2 is on
Netflix. Yes, it's on Netflix. It was uh
>> Is there a lot of poop in this one, too?
>> No, there's no poop.
>> Oh, thank goodness. [laughter]
>> Did you have a problem with the poop?
>> I'm not so comfortable with the poop.
>> It was a It was a bold choice. It was
the first episode of the season to go
with poop, but you know, we uh we
learned, we changed. Um there's a whole
bunch of different stories. They're all
super [ __ ] up again, but um yeah,
there
>> Gar Brooks show up as too.
>> No, he's we we're done with him. And uh
the poop we have new targets and new
[ __ ] up stories. But yeah, it was it
was a it was a blast to make and um
yeah, I'm super excited about it. It's
streaming on Netflix. Please check it
out. It's
>> out now.
>> Out now. Out now. Are you on tour?
>> Yeah, I'm on I have my uh actually this
weekend. I don't know when this is
coming out, but I'll be in Toronto uh
Friday and the 15th and then 16th I'll
be in Chicago.
>> Unreal. And then you've got a book that
comes out.
>> The book protocols user manual for the
human brain and body and it's out for
pre-sale. It comes out in September
finally. And um yeah, you know, I always
say if nothing cures insomnia, you know,
this book will do it. So,
>> I'm going to go rub one out right now.
>> Yeah. Unreal. All right. Thanks for
hosting us. Crazy.
>> See everybody. See you next time.
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