[music]
>> If we develop our psychic ability,
we are going to be a power in the
universe
because we can see [music]
way into the future,
anywhere in space. That's why our
friends want us out there and our
enemies don't want us off this planet.
>> You have experienced so much both in the
world of remote viewing. You are the
inspiration for the men who stared at
goats. An incredible George Clooney
movie about a psychic spy stopping a
goat's heart. So, you must have had a
very high clearance.
>> Oh, yeah. I had one of the highest
clearances not only for the remote
viewing but for other stuff that will
never be talked about.
>> You remote viewed alien bases.
>> The four major alien bases on the Earth.
One in Mount Hayes, Alaska. Mount Zeal
in Australia.
>> Secret mountain near Bradshaw Ranch in
Sedona, Arizona. Mount Inyangani is
another alien base. Have you ever seen
humans and aliens [music] working side
by side in a non-remote viewing
capacity?
>> Yeah. One of the What do they call the
insectoids? Wow. They were sitting in a
row of humans that were at the positions
working [music] some equipment.
>> Wow. You've seen a UFO inside a hangar.
>> That's where I came across this control
panel and that's when I said, "Hey,
that's the side of a UFO."
>> So, how do you fly a UFO? [music]
>> An impression of a hand on it where you
put your finger over the hole controls
the ship.
The alien was there. He took me up
front. He was the pilot. So, I tried it
and I learned how to do it.
>> People like you with high psi powers,
elite-level skilled.
>> Yeah.
>> You can do a lot.
>> We can change the weather anywhere
[music] in the world.
>> This takes mutually assured destruction
to a whole new level.
>> The Russians look across the battlefield
and kill their enemies by stopping their
hearts.
Our government was afraid of us.
With the remote viewing, there's no more
secrets.
>> [music]
>> My biggest strength actually is
accessing people mentally.
>> Mhm.
>> Can you access me mentally right now?
>> The ignition sequence start.
>> [music]
>> How is this possible?
>> Nothing too unusual about that.
>> [music]
>> Their existence can no longer be denied.
>> Here with Lynn Buchanan, this is a total
honor and I don't know if you know this,
but this is a full circle moment for me
because right when I started my show,
I called Jeffrey Mishlove cuz I was a
huge fan of his show New Thinking
Allowed and I need to still have him on
as a guest,
but he recommended I interview you and I
almost did this road trip across New
Mexico and so you would have been the
first American Alchemy guest.
>> Well, hey, that's that's an honor for
me. Well, it's an honor for me to be
here today. Thank you.
>> It's an honor for me to have you. I
think
without spoiling too much for the
audience,
you have experienced so much
>> All right.
>> both in the world of remote viewing and
you know, you were stationed at Fort
Meade and you are the inspiration for
The Men Who Stare at Goats, this you
know, incredible George Clooney movie
about a psychic spy stopping a goat's
heart and we can talk about whether how
real that is,
um but you also have all these kind of
intersections with you know, you remote
viewed alien bases, you've seen a UFO
inside a hangar, not just in some sort
of liminal consciousness remote viewing
space.
>> Mhm.
>> And so,
uh I don't know. There's so many things
you have you've had uh you've remote
viewed political figures, religious
figures.
Um
there's a lot to to to get into here.
So, I'm very excited to have you.
>> I have lived in interesting times.
>> [laughter]
>> You have and and you are uh
subtly referring to the, you know,
Confucian proverb "It's better to live
in interesting times." Which is actually
kind of a Confucian curse, so it's
>> [laughter]
>> We live in interesting but bad times.
>> Yeah.
>> It's true.
>> [laughter]
>> Uh well, before I have you remote view
uh Hanta virus and, you know, whatever's
[laughter] going to whatever's going to
come down the pipe, um
I want to start with your kind of origin
story as far as how you got into the
remote viewing program.
>> Most people look at all of the people
who were remote viewers in the remote
viewing unit and never ask what they did
before.
We all had serious military histories
before that.
Um
I was in Augsburg, Germany. Ever since I
was about 12 years old, I had this PK
ability.
Uh
like a poltergeist kid. Do you know what
that is?
>> No.
>> A poltergeist kid is one of those kids
where when they get emotionally upset,
things fall off shelves and things like
that.
>> So, you were like Matilda.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> [laughter]
>> Yeah.
And that's actually more common than
people realize, but people grow out of
it.
And uh my mother encouraged it.
And so, I sort of grew into it.
>> You fried a computer?
>> Yeah. Um
in Augsburg,
they had 12 different countries
in that one facility,
and they all had their own computers,
their own computer systems and all that
that didn't talk to each other.
Well,
uh
I can program computers. So,
they put out this thing
where they wanted somebody to program to
write a program that would tie all 12
computers together
and [snorts] get them talking to each
other.
This one of the sergeant, uh wanted the
job. Um I wanted the job and I got it.
So, about 9 months later, I had the
program written
and uh came the time to demonstrate it.
And all the generals from 12 different
countries got together and all
and uh
I went to the bathroom to make sure my
hair was in place and no wrinkles in my
uniform and all that and I came back
did my little song and dance for the
generals and then hit the enter key
to start the program
and the computer went dead. And I mean,
I had tested this thing over and over
and over.
And they all started laughing at me.
Uh I turned around and the other
sergeant was at the back door of the
room
and
he said
"Gotcha." and turned around and walked
off.
He wanted that job. And he was just
waiting.
I got flaming angry.
When I did, the entire
field station went down.
Uh [snorts] there was an estimate
sometime later that um
it was about 50 million dollars worth of
computers that just
went bad. Fried. And uh
>> [gasps]
>> so for the next
period of time that's still classified,
we were Everybody at the field station
was
going to work, taking their crossword
puzzle books,
all this,
you know, making it look like to the
Russian spy in the sky like business as
usual.
Come to find out later, the Russians
were doing the same thing over in East
Germany
because it had fried their computers,
too.
And um
So, anyway, and this is documented, by
the way. So, anyway, um General
Stebbins, the head of the Intelligence
and Security Command,
>> [sighs and gasps]
>> had been looking for something like
that.
He got wind of it, and um
he came
uh to the field station to install a new
commander.
And uh
when
he came, they came to my desk, and they
said,
"The general wants to see you." And I
thought,
"Crap, what have I done now?" you know.
And uh he installed a new commander.
He and the new commander came back to
the office, and I was standing there
waiting, and he
looked at my name tag, and he said,
"You're Sergeant Buchanan." I said,
"Yes, sir." He said, "Follow me."
He grabbed me by the arm and shoved me
ahead of him.
Now, you walk behind the general. He
shoved me ahead of him. We went into the
new commander's office.
He turned to the new commander and said,
"I need to talk to Sergeant Buchanan.
Get out."
You can guess what list I went to the
head of.
And I was there for another 2 months at
the top of that list.
>> What list?
>> Uh the list.
>> [laughter]
>> And uh anyway, about 2 months later they
got transferred to Fort Meade.
And, um, General Stubblebine wanted to
put me
as the
beginning of a unit that would destroy
enemy computers.
And with the end goal of controlling the
enemy computers so that we could make
their missiles turn around and go back
or drop into the sea or something like
that. Or put false information into the
enemy computers.
Congress said, uh,
"No, that's mind control."
And wouldn't fund it.
So, he took me out to Fort Meade and,
um,
had that
remote viewing unit. He took me out
there and put me into that.
And when they read me on, which is where
they
they give you a sheet of paper that
tells you what the unit really does, not
what they tell the public it does.
And, uh, you read that and down at the
bottom you sign it.
Um, 10 years in jail and $10,000 fine if
you reveal any of this.
And so, I read it and I thought, "This
is a joke."
The Army doesn't do psychic stuff.
And, um,
come to find out they did.
And that's how I got into the unit.
Uh, they started teaching me the Ingo
Swann method.
And, um,
I took to it like a duck to water. I
mean, it's the greatest thing I'd ever
seen.
>> So, Stubblebine, who's head of
in Army INSCOM, is that right?
>> Intelligence and Security Command, yeah.
>> Intelligence and Security Command, and
he's looking for people like you with
high psi powers.
>> Yes, he has had been for for years,
yeah. Uh-huh.
>> So, he's like if we're in Stranger
Things, you're like 11 and he's like
Matthew Modine's character coming in.
>> I guess, yeah.
>> Saying this guy has some real real
powers.
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah, because uh
I found out years later um I was at the
Bureau of Indian Affairs
in the cafeteria and I was sitting there
and this
Aussie
officer
came up from Australia, yeah.
And asked if he could sit down and I
said, "Sure, you know." And
so he sat at the table with me and
started
uh talking to me and said my name.
And I said,
"How do you know my name?"
He said, "Oh, your picture is on the
wall of one of our computer people." He
said, "You know, you're the one that
knocked out our computers over in
Australia." Yeah.
Oh, I did.
So, uh
so
I was
flaming mad that day.
>> Clearly.
>> And very
>> [laughter]
>> That's wild. Yeah, it's interesting cuz
uh Stubborn Mind works with a guy named
John Alexander. Has a long history with
him. Yeah, John. And Alexander always
pops up where the paranormal is, too,
you know, when uh John Hutchison is
getting his effect, you know, like you
know, levitating objects in California.
>> Yeah.
>> Alexander's tasked with looking into it.
>> Quite a host of a Pandora's box of
different types of effects on the outer
edge of
of the scientific community.
>> In this remarkable series of video clips
shot by Hutchison, we see what happens
when he fine-tunes the electromagnetic
frequencies aimed at target objects in
his garage.
>> It's almost like there's this uh pal
paranormal investigations unit within
the military.
>> Oh, there has been for a long time.
Yeah, and it's been
all subterfuge and, you know,
hush-hush and all that. But, that's been
going on for a long time, you know.
>> How long has that been going on for?
>> I would say since World War II.
>> Mhm.
>> Um
when um
I was in Russian school
in California.
Um Monterey, California.
I did become a Russian linguist.
Um which was my method of service, MOS.
Uh I was officially a Russian
linguist
um intercept operator.
Uh and with a caveat of technology.
That was
my military MOS.
And um
one of the teachers
came in one day
and
said that she had been
>> [sighs and gasps]
>> in the
Russian
psychic
warfare program.
And she brought me uh some
um
reading material in Russian
from uh
Colonel
Igor Pinkovsky
who tried to defect from
from Russia.
And it said that um
Adolf Hitler had had a unit called Dr.
Greenbaum in Germany.
And um
that it um
did medical experiments on the Jews and
all this. But, one part of it was also
um psychic spying. When the
Germans lost the war, the French,
English, and the Americans didn't want
any of this psychic stuff,
you know, so the Russians took it.
And they had developed it or by the
1960s,
we were losing classified information
like crazy. And they couldn't find any
ground agents, they couldn't find
anybody.
And that's when Igor um Penkovsky tried
to defect and brought
the documentation that said
the Russians had been doing that.
Everybody had a laugh about that,
but the intelligence service doesn't
laugh.
>> [laughter]
>> They're laughing anything.
And uh so they said,
"Well, if the Russians can do that,
let's do it right back at them."
And so uh
they went out and hired um
Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ, who were
laser physicist,
who had published a paper
showing how the intentions
of the researcher
can even affect a laser light beam.
And you know, with the double double
slit double slit experiment and all
that. So, they gave them the um
uh
an initial contract. They contacted Ingo
Swann. Ingo Swann developed the
methodology called controlled remote
viewing.
They started a remote viewing unit.
And that unit had been in existence 10
years before I got there.
>> Wow.
>> Yeah.
>> And so you primarily worked at Fort
Meade, is that right?
>> Yeah. Mhm.
>> And you're going into work and you just
have your fellow psychic spies at work.
And it what is it like you sit at a
cubicle, you're given targets?
>> That's it.
>> And you got to go.
>> Yeah.
>> [laughter]
>> But the targets are sometimes world
leaders?
>> Oh, usually world leaders, um,
their plans and intentions for the day,
um, for the next day of battle.
Um,
Saddam Hussein, um,
never stood a chance.
>> [laughter]
>> We knew what he was going to do every
day. And in fact, you know, for the
longest time they were looking for
Saddam Hussein,
>> [snorts]
>> we knew exactly where he was. We turned
it in every day. They knew where he was.
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Did you ever personally remote view
Saddam Hussein?
>> Almost every day.
>> What was he like?
>> He was crazy.
>> How so?
>> He was totally crazy. Yeah.
Um
he 100% believed that God wanted him to
rule the world.
And that uh
anybody who
would stop him from ruling the world
was of the devil and had to be killed.
>> Really?
>> Simple as that. Yeah. I mean, he was
crazy.
>> Delusions of grandeur?
>> Oh, yeah.
>> That makes sense because when there was
all this kind of
chatter about Iraq having WMDs, weapons
of mass destruction after 9/11,
>> Yeah.
>> which was this bizarre conflation on
behalf of the American intelligence
agencies where like you had al-Qaeda,
>> Yeah.
>> hanging out in Afghanistan and then you
had Saddam who, you know, maybe there
was this like long-held grudge since
Desert Storm, desire to take him out.
But like he wasn't connected with 9/11.
If anything, he was an enemy of Osama
bin Laden.
>> Yeah.
>> But there was this implication that he
had weapons of mass destruction.
>> Yeah.
>> And he could have simply said, "I don't
have weapons of mass destruction." and
held some, you know, large press
conference to that effect. But maybe
this makes sense in the context of his
delusions of grandeur kind of psychology
where he just continued to grandstand
despite not even having weapons of mass
destruction.
>> He wanted the world to be afraid of him.
>> Yeah.
>> Mhm.
>> Was there anything else,
I don't know, any other like random
details about his life? Like
did he have, you know, did he enjoy some
weird hobby that like you wouldn't
expect, like froquet or something like
that?
>> I was never tasked with that.
>> Okay.
>> So, I never really went into it. One of
the things about the
military, the US military remote viewing
effort.
Um
we were
strictly told to never use this for
personal reasons,
which was total waste of
an order.
But, uh
also
and we did follow this.
We were told that it was a
federal offense and we would go to jail
if we used it against US citizens.
And then, the third rule was you will
use it only for what we tasked you to
use.
>> Mhm.
>> Because, I mean, our government was
afraid of us.
Cuz, you know, with the remote viewing,
there's no more secrets.
>> Can you remote view the Q codes?
>> I
could. I've never been tasked to do so.
>> That's scary. And
so, what
weirds me out about remote viewing is if
you can remote view the Q codes and then
you have these open-source protocols,
Ingo Swann's, you know, teachings on
remote viewing are public. Your
teachings on remote viewing are public.
>> What's stopping some rogue Al-Qaeda
operative from doing that with our
assets?
>> Well, to be totally honest, uh
the what we teach to the public
is probably about 1/10 of what we know
about remote viewing.
>> Okay.
>> Um
there's um and
Ingo uh
Ingo
personally developed up through stage
18.
He
offered to teach me up through stage 11,
but at the time he did, my wife was
extremely ill, my mother was dying, I
didn't get a chance to go up there,
and before all that
got over and settled, he had already
passed away. So, I never learned up
through stage 11.
But, um
>> So, there are a lot of levels and
there's rigorous training to get really,
really good.
>> And all we ever teach to the public is
stage one through six.
>> Mhm.
>> Yeah.
>> Interesting.
>> Yeah.
>> Well, I'm almost wondering like on the
Saddam thing,
I almost want to press on like is there
a detail you can share
that's counterintuitive, where that, you
know, most people wouldn't be able to
know in kind of open-source world?
And then I wonder if that sort of, uh,
you know, allows like, uh, you know,
some random researcher or somebody who
knew him
>> Yeah.
>> to come out from the woodwork and then
reach out and they say, "Oh, yeah, I can
verify that, you know, this is something
about it."
>> Uh, not that I can think of.
Um
we were, um
tasked to
uh, remote view his facility that he
had, his his own personal facility.
And, um
the [clears throat] facility,
of course, [snorts] had no weapons or
anything like that.
>> [gasps]
>> And, um
so,
for some reason,
while we were doing that, cuz we had to
draw maps as well,
you know, accurate maps of the facility
and of any target we did.
And, um
there was something about the
generators
that got me. He had a little facility,
he had his own generators to power the
facility and all that, so he was totally
off grid.
And there was something about that, and
so
I
mentally went in, you know, queued to
move inside the facility inside that
building
and describe.
And one of those generators just seemed
wrong.
And I couldn't figure out why, and so
I just focused in on that one generator,
found out that it was hollow
and it it would tilt back, and when it
tilted back, there were steps going down
into a weapons bunker that you wouldn't
believe.
>> Wow.
>> I mean, a weapons bunker that was
that was stocked fully.
>> So, like a trapdoor?
>> It was like a it was like a false door,
yeah.
>> What sort of weapons?
>> Uh they had everything. They had
rockets, they had uh lasers, they had
you know, bombs,
uh
>> So, they did have artillery. They did
have an arsenal.
>> Oh, they had an arsenal.
>> But no,
>> He had an arsenal on his
on his private place.
>> That makes sense.
>> Yeah, it was under there.
>> That's wild.
>> Yeah.
>> But no nukes.
Obviously.
>> I didn't uh
I was just seeing the physical things,
so I don't know.
>> So, he just had all these sort of crazy
armaments.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> For his own little compound, yeah.
Probably big compound.
>> Yeah.
>> [laughter]
>> Fascinating.
>> Yeah.
>> Interesting. So, um you are the
inspiration for Cassidy in The Men Who
Stared at Goats.
>> Yeah.
>> And in the movie, he stops a goat's
heart. He kills a goat.
>> In the movie, he did.
>> Did you ever kill a goat?
>> I didn't do that. That was another
sergeant, and it actually happened.
>> No way.
>> But I didn't do it.
>> You wouldn't have done that.
>> is, you in the movie
>> Mhm.
>> you see him leaving in the helicopter.
>> Mhm.
>> From what I've heard
uh
the guy who did did kill the goat
experienced dying with the goat.
>> Wow.
>> And it upset him so much
that in the end he stole a helicopter
and disappeared and they haven't looked
for him since.
>> No way.
>> And what he did with the helicopter I
don't know.
And but they said he's disappeared and
they haven't looked for him.
>> So the guy killed the goat, felt sort of
some sort of symbiotic doubling of
feeling with the goat, went through his
own death.
>> with him, you know.
>> And then got so psychologically
disturbed that he stole a helicopter and
was never seen again.
>> That's the story that I hear from the
Great Pyramid.
>> Who was this guy?
>> Oh, he was just one of the sergeants
that was in the First Earth Battalion.
>> Wow.
>> Uh they were doing all kinds of stuff
like that.
>> Do you remember anybody like did he have
a boss or
>> Jim Channon, yeah.
>> Jim Channon was this guy's boss.
>> Wow.
>> I know how to do it.
And uh
I won't teach it to anybody.
>> That's a scary prospect. So you think
teams of remote viewers can literally
kill other people and animals.
>> remote viewer can.
>> A single remote viewer can.
>> And the scary part is
it is so easy to do.
>> So that's freaky first of all.
>> Yeah.
>> Second of all, I'm sure there are a
whole host of skeptics out there who are
saying why are not world leaders
dropping like flies,
you know?
>> Well, because you
you know,
why are world leaders dropping like
flies, okay?
Because we know what they want, we know
what they're going to do and all that.
You drop one of them, you get an unknown
in.
>> Mhm.
>> And you have to start all over. The
intelligence services have to start all
over. No, you want to keep them.
>> So, you think if somebody gets out of
hand enough, like if you were to replay
World War II,
>> Yeah.
>> presumably if, you know, the allies had
this capability,
by 1941 or two, they would have remote
viewed tried to kill Hitler.
>> Oh, yeah. And Hitler was already working
on this.
Um Uh the Russians, after they got all
of this,
had a woman named Nina Kulagina,
who was stopping the hearts of rats and
rabbits and things like that.
And uh wound up dying of a heart attack,
by the way.
But uh she was already working on that.
The Russians were working on it
to uh
have their troops be able to look across
the battlefield and
kill their enemies by stopping their
hearts.
>> You realize this
takes mutually assured destruction to a
whole new level.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> Goes well beyond nuclear capabilities.
>> Yeah. Mhm.
>> It's so crazy. So, it's almost like
the world's pretty locked down on a
go-forward basis. If you can do this at
will, it's not just nukes. It's, you
know,
we might have pandemics, we might have
sort of asymmetric, you know, bizarre
attacks, which, you know, are are
horribly destructive.
But the idea of all-out war seems pretty
hard if you can just at will decapitate,
you know, your your enemies.
>> Well, yeah. And it it already is. You
know, the thing is, um
we don't need tanks and airplanes at all
anymore.
Uh we can change the weather anywhere in
the world. The Russians have earthquake
weapons.
They can cause an earthquake at
Yellowstone that'll wipe out the center
US.
Um if they
cause an earthquake on La Palma Island
that's strong enough,
the side of that volcano is already
split off 5 ft.
If it falls into the ocean, it's facing
the US.
If it falls into the ocean, 15 cubic
kilometers
of
of land will hit the ocean all at once.
And the US Geological Survey has
predicted
that that would cause a tsunami that in
some places would wipe out up to 26
miles inland on the
East US coast.
That's already known by the US
Geological Survey.
>> Are you worried about that?
>> I'm not. Things like that um
would be so disastrous that I don't
think any country wants it.
>> Mhm.
>> And uh
and like I say, mutual destruction. They
do that to us, we'll destroy them. And
no, I don't I don't think it's a thing,
but
the whole thing is that now war is just
a money-making thing.
>> Mhm.
>> It really is.
>> Mhm.
>> Um I mean
you we fight each other
because of the weapons we have. Why not
take out the weapons manufacturers?
>> Mhm.
>> We don't do that. There's too much money
involved.
>> Mhm. I want to get into the logical
conclusions of what you're saying
because
>> Mhm.
>> this means advancement in remote viewing
is sort of advancement in your ability
to sort of control the world, you know,
geopolitical landscape. Because I'll
look at somebody like, you know, Trump
or Kim Jong-un or some of these leaders,
they might be more predictable than
their detractors say. You know, their
detractors say, "Oh, they're completely
irrational. They're crazy. Whatever."
Maybe they're more rational than we
think.
But
>> Mhm.
>> Trump kind of shoots from the hip. You
know, I think some of these other
leaders at times Do you think? Right?
You know, they kind of go on these
little you know, escapades and
adventures and and and and act in
discretionary ways. They're not just
extensions of the bureaucracy.
And so, to the extent
that gets out of hand for any party that
knows how to do this remote viewing
technique, they can just sort of
act out against that. I mean, cuz that
that's a scary prospect.
Is there a defense against that?
>> talked to this
talked about this to anybody. I may as
well do it now. Okay?
Um I have been
in-depth remote viewing this.
>> [gasps]
>> Um
Do you know the term OWOG?
>> No.
>> O W O G, One World One Government.
We're going into space.
Okay?
And
many of the
beings that are already out there
don't want us out there the way we are.
And at some point
when we get into space, we're going to
have to have one world
one government to at least some extent.
And if one country destroys another
then
it blocks that.
And uh
from what I'm finding
the powers that
actually are behind the governments and
run the governments
uh want us to have one world one
government to prepare us for space.
>> Who are the powers that are behind the
government?
>> I wish I knew.
>> But you are convinced
>> I if I knew I wouldn't say.
They'd bump me off real quick.
>> I think that's probably the right the
right move. But you're convinced that
our civilian leaders are not that the
front-facing leaders that we see are not
the true power in government.
>> there though, you know,
the the man behind the curtain. That's
you know, like in The Wizard of Oz.
Yeah, that's
>> And it's not just it's it's an actual
Wizard of Oz or
a mechanical Turk to use another term.
>> Uh-uh.
>> It's not Okay, but it's not it's What
you're saying is it's not just a bunch
of guys in bureau you know, bureaucratic
positions who are lifelong
politicians.
>> no, no.
>> It's it's it's a a vital group that like
has deliberate intentions
>> They just organizing everything, you
know.
You know.
>> So like a a true deep state.
>> A true deep state, yeah. And it exists.
But um
uh
you know,
>> What makes you convinced of that?
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>> What makes you convinced of that?
>> The viewing that I've done.
Um
and
>> They must be cuz
they must be more advanced at the
psychic stuff. That has to be the way I
mean, if the psychic stuff is true. So,
like let's just assume that it is. I
think it is, but there are people out
there that don't. Let's just assume that
it is. I know you've lived it. You're so
far past that debate. But, let's assume
that that's true.
I think I I I love how so how many
people hear that it's true and then they
stop there.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> The logical conclusion of the psychic
stuff being true is a very different
stratification of society itself. It's a
different social hierarchy, and it's
basically the people who are most
advanced in this stuff have to have the
Archimedes lever of control.
>> Yeah. Let me divert this whole
conversation here to that.
Uh
when um they started
the research on remote viewing,
what they did was they would take your
complete session and see how accurate it
was.
What we found out was that everybody has
strengths and weaknesses.
And so one person
may get the color right all the time.
And couldn't tell you the shape of
something if, you know,
uh if if they had to.
Other person Other person will get the
shape
but not relationships or sounds or
something like that.
And so everybody has strengths and
weaknesses. So when I started
what
30 years ago
was a database that I've kept ever since
of viewers' work. And we actually go
through
perception by perception by perception
>> [gasps]
>> judging it against the feedback.
If you have the police come and they
say, "Well, describe the
describe the getaway car."
You need to know the shape, the age, and
all that of the getaway car.
I will look in the database
and say, "Who is always right at color?"
Uh
now then,
"Who is always right at
drawing a pattern?"
Uh
task him with a license plate.
"Who's always right at the shape of the
of an object?"
Uh draw me the car.
You know?
And and and so on. And by doing this
we can take the
uh we can take
10 remote viewers who have an overall
average of 70% accuracy and by tasking
them only with what they're best at
we can turn 95% accuracy into a
customer.
And uh doing it that way.
Uh but uh
that's
tons of work.
And that in itself
has turned into the
proof.
Cuz you know, used to they would say,
"Show me your proof."
Now they say, "Show me your data."
And we've got the data.
>> [laughter]
>> And And so that winds up being the proof
of the efficacy of
the controlled remote viewing.
>> What's your biggest strength?
>> My biggest strength actually is
accessing people mentally.
>> Mhm.
Could you access me mentally right now?
>> Uh wouldn't.
>> [laughter]
>> I'd be fine with it.
>> No. Uh
um
I am on retention.
>> Uh-huh.
>> I'm not
officially retired. I'm on retention.
>> Uh-huh.
>> And as far as I'm concerned, um
presidential order 12333 still applies
to me.
>> Mhm.
>> I do not
access
US citizens, period.
>> Yeah. Cool.
>> do it.
>> Nice. Well, well, I guess we were
getting into this stuff
cuz I I'm a believer in parapsychology
remote viewing.
>> Yeah.
>> But I think very few people get into
what that means for what society
actually looks like and how it's built.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> Because if somebody has some sort of
vital team that's extremely like
elite-level skilled at these sorts of
things, you can do a lot.
>> Yeah.
>> [laughter]
>> And so like it's funny to
>> understatement. Yeah.
>> Yeah, right. Yeah,
it is a British understatement. So I you
know, I hear you saying
because of your remote viewing work
you're convinced in a deep state. I
would assume the deep state would have
to be like even more skilled and better
at these sorts of things, right? Then
like
>> No.
>> No?
>> No.
>> So what what are they better at? Like
>> what's
They're in control. They decide what's
going to happen.
>> Yeah.
>> But if you have like ultimate leverage
over like psychic abilities, you're in
control no matter what, right? Like
>> And they don't need that.
>> Why don't they need that?
>> Because they're in control. What do they
need it for? They get somebody who can
do it.
>> Couldn't you stop them
because you're, you know, psychic and
you have like a team that's psychic?
>> attack.
You don't You don't attack a gorilla.
>> [laughter]
>> Oh. Yeah. Yeah.
No,
there's self-preservation involved here.
>> You mentioned Ingo Swann.
>> Yeah.
>> Ingo Swann uh is a legendary remote
viewer, long deceased, but he uh is just
has an incredible story and he wrote a
book called Penetration where he talks
about uh remote viewing the dark side of
the moon.
>> Yeah, and actual road and all that,
yeah.
>> Yeah, and being almost abducted by what
appears to be like a legacy UFO program,
taken underground.
>> Uh really incredible story.
Do you think all of that happened and do
you think he actually remote viewed
alien bases on the dark side of the
moon?
>> Yeah. Mhm.
>> Really?
>> Yeah.
>> And what gives you conviction?
>> that certain about the details of the
actual road story, but the uh
bases on the moon, yeah. They're there.
[clears throat]
>> Have you ever remote viewed
>> Oh, yeah.
>> alien bases?
>> Yeah.
>> And what did you see?
>> Um
basically what they were doing and uh
and
their location and things like that. You
know, they're there, but
they're not there
only there on the moon, they're on other
places, too, of course.
>> What were they doing?
>> Basically, what I got for most of them
was minerals.
They're just interested in minerals.
Uh nothing
no skulduggery or anything like that,
nothing,
you know.
>> Is the moon an artificial object uh
sent here to monitor Earth?
>> I don't believe so.
>> Okay.
>> [laughter]
>> So, they're just mining minerals on the
moon?
>> That's what I got.
>> Mhm.
>> Yeah.
>> Mhm. Interesting. What sorts of aliens
were up there?
>> I
didn't go into that. No, the
alien bases, the four major alien bases
on the Earth, I did those in in-depth,
but um
the
the ones on the moon, I was just tasked,
you know, what's going on, where are
they, what's it look like, and all that.
So. Yeah, this is what I was tasked to
do.
>> This is Project 8200, right, where Pat
Price had seen four
>> saw uh the four alien bases.
And um
they did Project 80 200
before I got there.
However, after I got there,
um Skip Atwater was
having us do those sort of to keep track
of what's going on at those as as time
goes on.
The uh one in Mount Hayes, Alaska,
um
Pat Price and Jim McMonagle had found um
aliens and
and humans working side by side
as sort of an intelligence gathering
place.
And uh
years later when I got there,
um I did Mount Hayes and found out that
the equipment was now automated
and still running.
But there is no need for personnel
there, so it was basically kind of empty
of people.
>> And what was the purpose of it?
>> Um
keeping intelligence on the US, I mean
on the on the earth. Um just collecting
data and
signals and and all that.
>> What would happen to me or an average
civilian if we just went to Mount Hayes
right now and tried to check this out?
>> get
lost and frozen.
>> [laughter]
>> I mean just it's all right. It's
constantly under snow, you know, and I
doubt you'd find your way in.
>> Mhm. So, there's something on the inside
of the mountain.
>> Oh, it's inside the mountain, yeah.
>> Mhm.
So, similar to like the Cheyenne
Mountain Complex
>> Yeah.
>> when it comes to the American
government.
>> Yeah.
>> And do UFOs fly in and out?
>> I didn't get that. No. And neither did
Joe or or Pat Price. Now, where they fly
in and out is in um
Mount uh Zeal
in northern um Australia.
And uh
see, I did all these blind.
>> Mhm.
>> Just you know, like everybody else. And
um
um
the sketches that I drew,
I mean matched Pat Price's
down to the measurements and everything
else. So, um that kind of confirmed it
for me.
But um Mount Zeal is sort of a port of
entry to the earth.
The
friendly ones go there.
And then from there spread out around
the world.
And
uh Skip one time
uh Skip at water.
Um
wanted some feedback and so he called a
friend of his working in there in in in
Australia
and asked him if anything was going on.
And he said, "No.
Nothing happens here. It's the most
boring job I've ever had if it weren't
for all these UFOs going in and out of
Mount Zeal. We don't have anything to do
here."
>> [laughter]
>> Wow.
>> Yeah.
>> What what's the purpose of the UFOs
going in and out? Are they refueling?
Are they
>> Uh no, it's sort of like a an airport.
Just a port of entry.
>> Mhm.
>> No, uh and
>> What makes it a good Is there like a
reason why it's a good port of entry? Is
there something, you know,
geomagnetically anomalous about it or
anything?
>> I don't know. It's It's isolated. That's
That's all I know.
Um when I did that
when Pat Price did that one, they let
him know that they knew who was there
and that scared him. He never went back.
>> Mhm.
>> When I viewed it
the first thing that happened was they
let me know
that they knew I was there
and that it was okay.
And so um
so I just went through the whole
facility sketching and and uh
>> What was that facility like?
>> It was um basically two levels.
One level was where the ships come in,
settle into kind of a dock.
>> [sighs and gasps]
>> And uh
passengers get on and off.
And also the crew down below
goes down, you know, goes down to the
lower floor and that's the maintenance
and and everything else.
And um
that is just sort of a an airport.
I guess you could say.
Uh now, one thing that happened with my
view was
something that they said they never
heard before.
In the
area where the
travelers, you know, go in and out,
I saw a gray
female with a baby gray.
And I've never heard
They said they've never heard of any
anything like that on the earth before.
You know, any
observation of that. But, um
yeah, they let me know it was okay to be
there and hey, have a look around.
>> Why do you think they let you
just look around?
>> I don't think they care.
>> Mhm.
>> You know,
I mean, uh
>> It's like, uh
>> What have they got to fear from me? I
>> It's like a zoologist or something going
into
the the jungle in Africa and looking at
the gorillas or whatever. It's
>> Yeah, they just say, "Oh,
here's a gorilla that's bald, you know,
welcome him in, you know."
>> Right.
>> Yeah.
>> It's interesting. It's almost like, um
when you learn
deeply advanced remote viewing, maybe
your epistemology, your way of knowing,
kind of converges on theirs. It's like
you
>> It It does. Uh
there are, um
without going too deeply into it, um
there are
>> [sighs]
>> even ways that you can physically change
while you're remote viewing.
Uh
>> Really?
>> Yeah.
>> You can physically change.
>> You can physically change.
>> ever physically changed?
>> Well, I was doing one of the Saddam
Hussein things one time and the um
the woman who was monitoring me at the
time
let out a scream and ran out of the
building, you know?
And uh
I found out the next day she finally
told me, she said, "Your eyes turned
brown and your
voice deepened."
And uh
and she said, "But your eyes turned
actually brown."
And uh so I just
accessed him to that point.
>> Wow.
>> But I mean, I was accessing him every
single day.
>> Cuz your eyes I'm looking at them right
now, you have you have beautiful eyes.
>> I'm blue-eyed, yeah.
>> Milky blue eyes.
>> Yeah, uh-huh.
>> So you your eyes turned to the same
color as Saddam Hussein.
>> said. That's what she told me, yeah,
uh-huh.
>> So it was like you were
merging with him.
>> Merging, sort of, yeah.
>> Wow.
>> So
>> Like inhabiting him or something.
>> Sort of sinking with him or something, I
don't know.
Uh
I didn't know anything about it
until she said,
you know.
>> You also remote viewed Gorbachev.
>> Oh, yeah, uh-huh, yeah.
>> What was he like?
>> Oh, he was a nice guy. He really was.
>> Seems like a nice guy from his public
appearances.
>> Oh, yeah, and um
>> [clears throat]
>> somebody critiques my my book, The
Seventh Sense, by the way, I brought you
a copy.
>> Thank you.
>> And I know people bring you books all
the time that you can't read, you don't
have time. So no obligation to read it,
okay?
>> It won't be a test.
>> Oh, well, that means a lot. I've already
read part of it, so
>> [laughter]
>> I won't come back and say, "What did you
think about chapter seven?"
>> Well, you can, it's okay. [laughter]
Um You remote viewed Gorbachev and you
said that he was a nice guy.
>> somebody said in the book that I had um
that I had
um said that
I
convinced
Russia to
end communism.
And that's not true.
You know, at all.
But, um
I was over at the golf club one day
there on Fort Meade eating lunch and uh
two agents came in and sat at the far
table and I mean
they blend in so perfectly that they
stand out.
You know, you can get the vibe right
there. Oh, these guys are, you know,
uh not here to eat. And uh
so I got up and left and when I did they
followed me out to the parking lot.
And they had me get in their car. They
drove me around Fort Meade.
And basically they said, uh you know, we
want you to do things to affect
Gorbachev and all this. And I said, "No.
I'm not going to do that."
Uh for one thing, we were
this was another edict we had on us that
there would be no active mental work.
We were there to collect intelligence,
not to do influencing or anything like
that.
And so I said, "No, that's
I can go to jail for that, you know."
And
>> [sighs]
>> so uh anyway, when I got out of the car,
I don't know what made me say it, but
just sort of to
be nasty to those two guys,
I leaned back down
to the open door and I said,
"But maybe I can make him end
communism."
You know.
And anyway, when I got home that
evening, I thought,
"I wonder if I could do something like
that." I said, "No, it's stupid, you
know."
So I started doing sessions and um
what surprised me was
the speech where they ended uh
communism, the words in that speech were
the words that I'd been pumping into
him.
>> No way.
>> Yeah.
>> Like what?
>> Um well, it's all in Russian. But uh the
>> But do you remember what words you were
popping into him?
>> Oh, yeah.
>> Like what?
>> Uh
well, that's not the point I'm trying to
make here.
The point is that
for a good year, year and a half before
that,
he was already planned to end planning
to end communism.
So, did I have any effect on that? No.
I may have helped him with his speech.
That was it.
>> Do you remember how specifically you
helped him at all or
>> Uh one of the things I kept putting in
was uh
about
the generations to follow and all this.
>> That's amazing.
>> Yeah.
>> Wow.
>> But um yeah, the the terms and the words
I was I was pumping in
uh
he used in his speech.
>> Mhm.
>> So.
>> About the generations to follow and you
know, what the future of Russia might
look like.
>> Yeah.
>> And Mount Inyangani is another alien
base.
>> In Ten- uh
in Zim- Zimbabwe, yeah.
Uh what I found out about that one was
that it seems to be a repair facility,
maintenance and repair facility.
>> For what?
>> For ET- for UFOs.
>> For UFOs?
>> Yeah.
>> [gasps]
>> No, I never did the one that was in the
Pyrenees.
>> Mhm.
>> So, I'm not sure about it.
>> Mhm. That's Mount Perdido.
>> one, yeah.
>> Mount Inyangani's interesting because
people often go missing while they're
hiking around Mount Inyangani.
>> Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah.
>> Do you think there's a connection
between that and this supposed alien
base?
>> You see too much, you disappear. Yeah.
>> What happens to you?
>> Uh
you
you don't exist anymore.
>> [laughter]
>> You die. Yeah.
>> Oh, no.
>> Yeah. They they guard things.
>> They guard things tightly.
>> Yeah. From what I've seen at
uh Mount Zion
and
uh there in Zimbabwe, I think you also
have the chance of
becoming a worker.
But you don't come back.
>> Mhm.
>> You know.
>> Mhm.
>> You don't go back home again.
>> Really?
>> Yeah.
>> So they abduct you and make you work for
them.
>> I think it's voluntary. You have your
choice between dying or
or working.
>> [laughter]
>> What makes you think that they make
certain people workers?
>> Because there are humans working with
them.
>> Mhm.
How do you know that? From your remote
viewing?
>> From the remote viewing, yeah. Um
and also from other reports.
You know, uh
other viewing reports and actual
reports.
>> What are the human Are the humans like
active managers or are they just
underlings or
>> I think they're just underling
underlings, yeah.
>> So they're like
>> Yeah.
>> sort of effectively slaves for these
ETs?
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>> While we're on the topic, about 5 years
ago
I was in El Paso
and stopped at a restaurant.
And I
I
came back out to the car, and when I
did, two guys
>> [sighs]
>> two humans, okay?
Uh came up and said
"You're Len Bequette."
You already knew that. Yeah. And I said,
"Yes."
And um
they said, "Um
we're interested in finding out
something if you could find out for us,
and that is
who in the government is looking at the
wedge of the DNA chart that says other."
And I says "I have no idea."
They said, "Well, could you find out?"
Well
Linda Moulton Howe is a good friend of
mine, and so I said
"Maybe Linda could answer the question."
She knew it.
I mean
you talk about an investigative
reporter. She's an investigative
reporter. She knows. And she
clicked off the names immediately.
And um
So, I asked them why.
And he said
"Back
centuries and centuries ago
when the ETs left the Earth, they took
humans with them as slaves."
And he said
"We've been slaves for hundreds of
generations
on another planet.
Our DNA has changed to match that.
And he said,
"Now that we're coming back here and
serving
to do the work at these bases,
some of us are escaping."
And he said,
"We don't want to do anything in the
government. We don't want any power. We
don't want anything. We just want to be
free.
That's all we want."
And he said, "We're afraid of that DNA
test."
>> Are those beings physiologically exactly
the same as all of these humans?
>> two guys were.
>> Do they have any other sort of adaptive
powers, behaviors, or traits based on
their
>> They were two guys in a parking lot. I
don't know if it's true or not, but
that's that's what happened.
And uh
and so
I guess it's a possibility of being
true. I don't know.
>> So, those aliens that came
here, you know, thousands of years ago,
stories of like
>> Yeah, Anunnaki and watchers and that
sort of thing. Yeah, something like
that, you know.
>> So,
they had, you know, humans working for
them when they came originally, you
know, call it 10,000-ish years ago.
>> Yeah, and when they left, they took
workers with them.
>> They took workers with them. And then
now they come back, occasionally visit
some of these bases, and they bring the
workers with them to work
>> to do the work, to do the slave work,
yeah.
>> occasionally some of those workers
escape.
>> That's what these two guys told me.
>> Mhm.
>> Whether it's true or not, I don't know.
That's just what they told me. But
they told me in a way that I tended to
believe it. I have no proof.
>> Pat Price, who was originally
responsible for viewing these four,
you know, alien bases,
>> Yeah.
>> was one of the most skilled remote
viewers of all time.
>> He was a psychic.
>> How would you make that distinction?
>> A psychic is a person who
has the natural ability
and great strength and knows how to
access it.
>> A remote viewer is trained.
>> A remote viewer
>> A psychic is born.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> I um
the remote viewing that was made for the
military
wasn't made for psychics.
The military didn't want psychics.
>> Mhm.
>> They wanted to teach
the ordinary soldier how to know what's
over the hill and where to point the
guns.
That's what they wanted.
>> Are you a remote viewer or a psychic?
>> I'm a remote viewer. Well,
but I grew up with the PK ability and
some psychic sense. Everybody has
intuition to some extent. Okay?
Uh
some more than others and all that.
But uh the controlled remote viewing
is actually
a martial art.
Uh
what happens is
your subconscious knows something.
It can't talk to the conscious mind
without a psychiatrist couch.
You know?
And so
it gives you a physical response.
When you can learn consciously to read
these physical responses and you can
train those
to to where it's a communication line
then
you can
physically
pass a question to your subconscious
mind. It will cause a physical response.
You read that physical response and
you've got the answer.
That's what controlled remote viewing
is. It's actually a martial art.
>> Mhm.
Fascinating.
>> Yeah. It's not
Oh, the answer is, you know,
>> [gasps]
>> Oh, the answer is, put the question to
your forehead, and the answer is it's
not there at all.
>> Do you have a sense of how it
mechanically works, or are we sort of in
the stone age as far as you know, with
like a a radio signal?
>> Yeah.
>> It's pretty clear how it works with
remote viewing. Do we understand the
actual transmission mechanism?
>> Um
Some of the people who do the controlled
remote viewing
will
write down the coordinates, because you
never tell them what the target is. You
just give them a
encrypted number,
and let their pen do scribble, scribble,
scribble.
And then they go back and touch it.
Well, scribble, scribble, scribble is
automatic writing,
which some people are good at.
Psychometry is where you go back and
touch something and get information off
of it. Okay?
And so, that's one way to begin a CRV
session.
>> Mhm.
>> Another way,
and the way that I teach my students,
is the martial art way.
Wax on, wipe off, okay? And so, you say,
uh
Draw me the most basic graphic you can
of land. And some people will make a
mountain, some people make a straight
line.
And uh
then
show me water, and they'll make a wavy
line. And you have this other
vocabulary.
And you practice, and practice, and
practice that. This is how they taught
me the English one method
was taught to me.
And um
when it gets to the point where
the monitor who's calling out these
words
starts to say the word
and the viewer automatically makes the
word that's going to be said.
That's when you know their subconscious
mind
is accessing the monitor.
That's when you know you've got it.
So, then
you go to what's that's called stage
one.
So, then you go to stage two where you
say, "Oh,
describe the water."
And but describing the water
you say, "How does it taste?
How does it feel? What's the
temperature?" You use only physical
descriptors.
And
you get the physical descriptors of it
and then you say, "Oh, it feels cold."
Well, how cold is it? That's where you
start getting the measurements. And as
you go through the six stages
you finally get down
to where
you can reproduce the circuitry on a
circuit board.
I mean, it gets that detailed.
And this is the genius of what Ingo
Swann did.
He started out with
"I don't know what's at the target, but
man, there's land and water and
something man-made."
You know?
And at that point in the training where
you're in stage one
training, you open the envelope and
there's a ship sitting at dock.
Just like that, you know? And when you
get good at that, 80% accurate at it
through practice
then you move into stage two.
>> Joseph McMoneagle was tasked with remote
viewing Mars a million years ago.
Claimed to see
people who were much taller than human
beings and pyramid structures and sort
of a civilization.
Have you seen anything like that? Have
you ever remotely Mars?
>> Um
in stage six
there's phenomenon called um
uh bilocation
and there's one step beyond that which
we call perfect sight integration.
When you reach that stage
you're not at the target, okay?
But your attention is so focused on the
target that you you forget about the
room around you or anything else.
And
your attention is so focused on it, you
cannot tell that you're not at the
target.
You feel the breeze on your face, you
feel the temperature, that everything.
You see it.
And uh first time that happened to me
was with the Sedona region at Mars.
And um
I was working along. I'd gotten some
coordinates, just some numbers.
And uh I was working along and all of a
sudden
I felt sand under my feet.
Now
here's an idiosyncrasy.
I never remote view with my shoes on.
I don't know why.
>> [laughter]
>> I just I'm a Texas boy. I take my shoes
off, you know. And uh
so I felt the sand under my feet and I
looked down and [clears throat]
there was I was in a hallway that was
filled with sand.
And uh I looked up and there was an
opening
at the far end of the hallway.
So I walked down to the opening and I
it was open so I leaned out
and the building that I was in was
sloping backwards and it was just all
rough and just eroded and everything
else.
And I looked out.
the sun was dim, the sky was the wrong
color,
it's extremely cold, the place smelled
bad,
and um
um I looked at the other things that
were around,
and
>> [sighs and gasps]
>> came back and described them and, you
know, drew a picture of it and all that.
So, um
I guess about 6 months later we were out
at um
um
place in California visiting Hal
Puthoff,
and um
there was a picture on the wall
of the Sedona region of Mars.
And um
this was not the picture everybody sees.
You know how the picture they show is
all fuzzy and all hm?
Come on.
They can read your license plate from
250 mi through air.
You're going to tell me they can't see a
mountain sharply
from here on Mars?
And uh this was a very sharp picture.
And there on the side of
one of those pyramids, there's a little
opening. Been there, done that, didn't
get the t-shirt.
>> [laughter]
>> But uh
but I was looking at this picture
and realizing that everything I had
drawn from that angle
from above was in the right place,
everything.
The um
the
sky that I saw was the color of the sky
on Mars,
the sun was dimmer, you know, and
further away and all that, and the
bitter cold and everything else.
>> Was it red?
>> Uh what, the sun?
>> The landscape.
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah, uh-huh. Yeah, it was it
was it was
orangish red. Yeah, and all that. I
mean, it was desert.
It was sand. After that session, they
said, "Oh, you were on Mars."
And I said, "Okay."
But when I saw that picture,
that's when I realized,
"Hey,
I was on Mars."
>> [laughter]
>> And you know, I cannot physically I
cannot say I've ever been physically on
Mars.
>> Mhm.
>> But I have had the experience,
the real experience of walking through
the sands of Mars.
And how are you going to explain that to
anybody?
I've had the experience of it.
>> Did you see any alien life?
>> Actually, I did. Yeah, um
uh
because the monitor took me elsewhere
after that. But yeah, mhm.
>> And And so, where did you go after that
where you saw alien life?
>> Um
down into the pyramid and it was um
it was beings that
are much larger than humans,
>> [sighs and gasps]
>> but
with atrophied limbs,
probably incapable of ever coming out,
you know.
>> What did they look like? Did they look
like humans but atrophied or did
>> No, well, right at first, they looked to
me like worms. I mean, their
their legs and their arms were just, you
know, were there but just
like I say, atrophied, not even used.
>> Was their skin color the same color as,
you know,
>> Oh,
>> [sighs]
>> roughly, I think. Yeah, as I remember
it.
I was there a very short time and they
pulled me out.
>> Fascinating.
>> Yeah. Did you get the sense of as
whether they had a relationship with
mankind at all or they were from
>> I didn't. They pulled me out.
>> Mhm.
>> They pulled me out from that, yeah.
>> Mhm.
>> And this was present Mars. This isn't a
million years ago.
>> Present, yeah.
>> Mhm.
>> Yeah.
>> What's the most exotic place you've
bilocated to?
>> The most exotic, I haven't heard that
one before. Um
the strangest place was Titan.
Um
I was tasked for some reason with Titan
to find any life there.
>> Titan is a moon of Jupiter.
>> Moon, yeah. Uh-huh.
And um
Um I found these two beings in a cave.
Now, what I think they were looking for
was
see under the surface or something like
that. I
They weren't satisfied with what I got.
But these two beings were conversing
with each other.
>> [gasps]
>> And
like I say, my forte is mental access.
I have never
in any other time
found anything as totally alien as that.
There was no understanding their
thoughts. There was no understanding
anything about them. I could tell they
were thinking. I could hear their
thoughts and
there was no translation. There was no
There was no nothing. Most alien thing
I've ever
experienced, period. And you know, I've
been tasked with a lot of aliens.
This was
uh just indescribably alien.
>> Just completely foreign.
>> Completely. Totally un-understandable.
>> Incomprehensible.
>> Incomprehensible, yeah.
>> When you relay these things to your
superiors as part of the remote viewing
program, what do they say? Are they
shocked or are they like, "Oh, just
another day on the job." and they're
very blasé about it or
>> Generally just another day on the job
after after, you know, like I say,
they've been there for 10 years before I
ever got there. So,
yeah, for them it's just another day on
the job, yeah.
>> How many alien species do you think
you've personally come into contact
with?
>> I think five.
>> Have you seen any in a non-remote
viewing
capacity?
>> As far as you were going to answer that
ask that,
yes, and I can't talk about it.
>> Why not?
>> Because it was on a mission that I can't
talk about.
>> Okay.
Wow.
>> Yeah.
>> That's interesting.
>> Yeah, I'm sorry.
>> No, it's okay. Is there anything you can
share about it or
>> No.
>> Okay. Was it shocking?
>> By that time I had learned
um
anytime I went on one of these missions,
I would always tell them I don't want to
know anything that I don't want to be
responsible for. The alien was there.
And so, I immediately just looked away
and kept
kept going because I didn't
I didn't want to be responsible for that
for knowing that.
So.
>> When you say mission, this isn't a
remote viewing mission. This is like you
were deployed somewhere?
>> Somewhere else, yeah.
>> Wow. Fascinating.
>> reason, yeah.
>> So, what else have you done outside of
remote viewing? Have you been deployed
in different places around the world?
>> Well, yeah.
Um
I uh was a computer expert,
>> Mhm.
>> a computer programmer, a Russian
linguist,
a German linguist.
I was the only Mongolian linguist in all
five services at the time.
Six services now
with the space space force.
But um I was the only Mongolian linguist
in all military services.
Um
the first time I was in the service
I was uh into guided missiles.
And guided missile computer systems,
control systems, and all that.
>> Fascinating. You've had a very
winding career. You're You're uh You're
You're polymatic.
>> I've lived in interesting times, you
know.
>> Yeah. You know, to for me, this, you
know, direct alien experience, obviously
I'm insatiably curious and want to know
more, but I respect your decision to not
share more.
For the audience
>> Well, I also had
I had an abduction experience, too. So,
I had a Yeah. Go ahead and do
>> Well, I'm I'm I'm I'm just wanting to I
want to get into that, too. But I'm for
the audience, they might be wondering
why can Lynn share about some of the
stuff he's remote viewed that also seems
somewhat sensitive, but he can't talk
about this one mission he was on where
he saw an alien.
>> Well, I can talk about things like
happened, but things like
who was involved
>> Mhm.
>> what units were involved, what people
and places were involved, and where it
happened, and all that.
Yeah, those are things that
you know.
>> So, could you
could theoretically talk about what the
alien looked like with no context
around?
>> Well, the one I saw at time uh
was one of the what do they call the
insectoids?
>> Okay. Woah.
>> Yeah.
>> Like a praying mantis or something?
>> I guess. It was sitting at a uh
position in a row of
humans that were at the positions their
positions and
working
some equipment, So
>> Whoa.
>> And the thing is many of these times
where you have soldiers that are at
these jobs all day long, if they know
that somebody is coming in who's an
outsider,
uh they'll do something,
you know, just to
They could have It could have been a
soldier that just put on an alien hat or
something like that. Uh
I don't know because the minute I saw it
I looked away and kept walking.
>> Okay.
>> So
>> could have been them trying to mess with
you.
>> Could have been.
>> But it looked like an alien casually
working hand-in-hand with human
colleagues.
>> Yeah. Mhm.
>> Wow.
>> Yeah.
>> Well, can you say what they were working
on?
>> You're back into what I can't talk
about.
>> Okay, no worries. All right, we'll stop
there. But that That's interesting.
>> Yeah.
>> Do you Do you think that um in some of
these places
humans and aliens are working side by
side? You already said that in the
context
>> of
uh Mount Zeil in Australia.
>> I've heard that from people who
absolutely know for sure. Yeah.
>> Really?
>> Over and over again. Yeah.
>> Wow. And so what like
>> Those two guys that
approached me in the parking lot
>> Mhm.
>> could explain why there are humans
working with them. They may not be
people who were born on Earth. I don't
know.
>> Mhm.
>> It's It's a question that I have that
uh that I don't know the answer to.
>> I've talked to Hal Puthoff about things
like this. Like uh
sort of
almost like portals on on Earth where
humans and aliens are sort of
co-located, working together.
>> Mhm.
>> And we were talking as well before we
started rolling about Indian
reservations and certain off-limits
places in the United States.
>> Uh
what I seem to have found is that the
alien bases
>> Mhm.
>> Uh I think most people think that the
aliens come in and secretly cause
form these bases that nobody human knows
about and all that.
Uh I've come to the conclusion
personally
uh have no proof, no documentation
that uh
these are the places where
our government or the governments of
other countries have said
you can have this spot to have your
base.
You stay away from us and we'll stay
away from you.
So, they're more like a reservations
that we give to the Indians
than they are
bases where they have secretly come in
and formed something that we don't know
about.
>> Mhm.
>> And I think we know everything about it.
>> So, this is how being done with our
explicit permission.
>> That's what I get.
Yeah.
>> There's a place called Secret Mountain
near Bradshaw Ranch in Sedona, Arizona.
>> Okay.
>> And this is one of these places that's
rumored that
a friend and fellow reporter, Ross
Coulthart, has uh
you know, systematically investigated
this place and it seems like UFOs are
flying in and out of this mountain.
And
the I think the
um
land is sort of, you know, uh
it's like Bureau of Land Management and
I think it was then reserved for like,
you know, University of Northern Arizona
and there was some environmental studies
going on, but basically it's a way of
saying off-limits for anyone else.
But nothing goes on there, like no
research goes on there. instead people
just see men who are wearing these sort
of nondescript, you know, outfits and
>> New Mexico and yeah
>> Yeah, and some of these other places.
So, you think that's happening maybe all
over the US?
>> All over the world.
>> All over the world.
>> Yeah.
>> How is this stuff so locked down for the
ordinary person? Cuz
like I you know, I systematically sort
of investigate this stuff. You've lived
it for decades.
And so it's sort of obvious to you. For
me, I'm
you know, more on the fence than you,
but probably more, you know, inclined
towards your side obviously than I am
towards, you know,
an average person who hasn't studied
this stuff. But how is there so much
circumstantial evidence and yet
the consensus still can maintain that
there's like nothing here.
Is it them concealing themselves, the
the non-humans or like
>> I
Well, first of all
uh
if you had something like that, would
you want everybody to know?
You know, I mean, if you were to
land on Mars, would you want all the
Martians to know where you were? Uh
probably not, you know. I think most
people
don't want to know. They don't want to
believe that that happens. And so, why
shatter their
paradigm? You know? Does one country
want to know the other's harboring
UFO
aliens?
>> Mhm.
>> You know? I don't know a definite answer
to that question, but I think most of
all
>> [sighs and gasps]
>> people don't want to know.
>> Is there a connection between remote
viewing and UFO crash retrievals?
>> [sighs and gasps]
>> Crash retrieval?
>> Yes.
>> Evidently not from what I found ahead in
that hangar.
>> [laughter]
>> Okay.
>> Yeah.
Um
the the minute I
saw that
control panel out of UFO and said,
that's out of UFO.
I mean, they ran me out of that place.
>> Because there's a group called, I
believe, the Borderlands Research
Society.
>> I've never heard of that one.
>> They're from the '40s, back in the day,
and they were dabbling in kind of the
occult.
But, they were doing some early remote
viewing techniques, and there seems to
be some documentation gathered by
researcher friend of mine named Richard
Geldrich. She's amazing.
And he says that they knew about some of
the early crashes in the '40s and '50s
before the Army and the Air Force.
And so, I think if, you know, if you're
what you were saying earlier, that like
when we move into the psychic or remote
viewing paradigm, we're kind of bumping
into the epistemological framework of
the non-humans.
>> Right.
>> Then
if you were to try to have a really
vital UFO crash retrieval team, you
probably would use remote viewing in
order to spot where the UFOs actually
crashed.
>> Oh, and there are other methods, too.
>> Okay.
>> I mean, one of the things you always
hear about a UFO crash,
within minutes the government was there.
>> You right. So, that implies some
[clears throat] sort of like almost
foreknowledge or really low latency, you
know, almost like
quantum entanglement style understanding
that would come from remote viewing more
than it would from traditional
communications.
>> No, I think traditional methods. Um
You've seen one of them.
>> What's that?
>> On TV.
Oh, there's a
a clip that they show on TV every now
and then of this
UFO that's coming in, and a beam go
like that, and the thing turns around
and leaves.
And they say, oh, that was just water on
the window.
>> Mhm.
>> In space, there's no water on the
window. Come on.
>> [laughter]
>> And [gasps] uh
and um we have
UFO weapons. We have identification
friend and foe.
We already have those things.
>> So, do you believe that we have a vital
UFO crash retrieval and reverse
engineering program?
>> Yeah.
>> And do you think that's tied in with
remote viewing programs?
>> I don't think so.
>> You don't think so?
>> I don't think so. Uh we were never
tasked with it.
>> Okay.
>> There was only one time that I've heard
of
uh I wasn't there at the time that we
officially got tasked with a UFO target.
>> Mhm.
>> All of the rest of the times that we did
a lot of UFO stuff
>> [sighs and gasps]
>> uh came under the heading of practice
sessions
or
some
two or three star general might come up
to your desk and say
"Hey, would you do me a favor?"
And what are you going to say? No, sir?
As a two star and you've got a sergeant
saying, "No, sir." That's not going to
happen.
>> Well, didn't you remote view um the 1980
Rendlesham Forest incident?
>> Oh, yeah.
>> Where this is um you know, uh Royal Air
Force Woodbridge
uh where you have sort of um
uh Royal Air Force uh United States Air
Force combined group uh
in England near Rendlesham Forest.
>> Yeah.
>> And
>> One of my fortes is drawing floor plans.
>> Okay.
>> Uh of the insides of buildings. And I
was the one that drew the uh
that went inside that triangular craft
and actually drew the floor plans and
the insides and all that.
>> Really?
>> Yeah. Now,
to be honest
>> Can I back up though and just the
audience a little bit of context?
>> Oh, okay.
>> So, 1980 uh three different uh US Air
Force sergeants uh Jim Penniston, John
Burroughs
>> Mhm.
>> I'm blanking on the third guy's name.
All come across this They first they see
this triangle flying in the woods.
>> Yeah.
>> Then they see it land.
>> Yeah.
>> And I believe uh Penniston and Burroughs
even went right up to it.
>> Yeah.
>> And and and and so and it's this black
triangle and then they found
indentations in the thing and you had um
Lord uh Hill-Norton who was uh you know,
head of the Admiral of the Fleet
>> Mhm.
>> um you know, saying, you know, I think
this happened. You had uh Colonel Halt
uh who was who was there, who was in
charge at the time
>> Yeah.
>> you know, doing a formal investigation
saying this happened. And so, you were
Were you formally tasked with looking
inside of this triangle UFO?
>> As a practice target.
>> As a practice target?
>> As a prac- We were never officially
changed charged in the chain of command
with doing UFO targets.
>> Who assigned you that as a practice
target?
>> Um
I forget who it came from. It wasn't Ed
Ed Dames. He was always giving us UFO
targets.
>> Ed Dames was?
>> Yeah.
>> So, do you think these guys
>> This was different. I forget who it came
from.
>> So, it's almost like there's a different
line of command that's in- interested in
the UFO now?
>> No, there's In any organization, you
have the formal organization and the
informal.
>> So, what's this informal organization
that's interested in UFO stuff?
>> Well, it's totally unorganized. Like I
say, you
>> You think it's just emergent and like
personal personal interest based?
>> A two-star comes by your desk and says,
"Will you do me a favor?"
You're not going to say no.
>> Is the two-star though like are they
getting interested because they're like
"I heard this crazy thing. I want to
know." Or is it more of like a some sort
of secret other branch?
>> are all interested.
>> But it's pure personal interest. You
don't think somebody's telling the
two-star, "Hey, get one of your best
guys to look at this."
>> [laughter]
>> Okay.
>> But do I suspect that they're Yeah.
>> So, you think there might be another
line of command, another chain of
command?
>> Well, you know, it's like they say about
the UFOs, they think what is our danger
to air air superiority. That's become an
official thing.
And so, are they going to task a remote
viewer with it?
Not officially.
>> Mhm.
>> They're going to come by your desk and
say,
"Hey, would you do me a favor?"
>> [clears throat]
>> So, you do this guy a favor, this
two-star general, and
>> And and they walk out with the answer
and you never hear about it again.
>> What was inside of this triangle craft?
>> Uh it was um intelligently
automated.
There were no beings inside of it.
There was a uh place where
samples
were being
preserved. And this thing was going by
and finding sample
samples of
>> [gasps]
>> I don't know if it was soil or plant
stuff or whatever, but there was a place
in there where the samples were being
kept.
And uh
and then somehow the
craft would seem to communicate back
that it had found something.
But it was totally self-automated. There
were no There were no beings in it at
all.
>> And what any other features of the
craft, the color, the the
>> Yeah, it was
red sort of reddish light inside. Uh
there was a control panel, so
it could be controlled by beings.
And uh
there was this, um,
small hallway that went back to a
chamber where
samples were being held. Notice that.
>> Samples of
>> of whatever it was it was picking up and
finding.
>> Mhm.
>> Cuz it was out searching.
>> It's like this automated drone sort of
thing.
>> Automated drone, yeah.
>> Mhm.
And I believe Colonel John Alexander
knew about Rendlesham before just about
anybody else in the United States.
>> yeah.
>> Was he involved in your I guess you
can't probably say or
>> No, uh, John was, um,
rarely
I don't think he was ever involved in
our unit.
>> Okay.
>> Uh, Bert, uh,
Albert Stubblebine, General Stubblebine,
uh, became a really good friend. I
always call him Bert. And, uh,
uh, Bert, uh,
intentionally kept him out of it.
>> Albert Stubblebine is a very interesting
figure who seems very conspiratorial
himself.
>> He became like a second father to me. I
just treasure that man.
>> What What is his
Tell Tell us about him cuz he's this
very intriguing figure in kind of UFO
lore. Like when Steven Greer, for
example, or initially gets into all this
stuff he sort of he was this emergency
medical doctor and then he develops
CE-5, this protocol to sort of call in
UFOs.
>> Yeah. Uh-huh.
>> And Stubblebine is first on the scene
to, you know,
>> Yeah.
>> uh, ostensibly try to almost recruit him
into some sort of government program.
>> Yeah.
>> So what is what is Stubblebine like?
What's his deal?
>> in it. Bert had the, um,
project going where he had people out
looking for,
uh,
PK events and things like this. That's
how
>> [sighs and gasps]
>> that's how I got reported to Bert who
was head of the Intelligence and
Security Command. That's why he came out
to the
unit and wanted to talk to me.
And um
add that We've seen the movie The Men
Who Stare at Goats.
>> Yeah.
>> He shoved me into the office
and um
told the commander, "I need to talk to
Sergeant Buchanan and get out, you
know."
He turned to me and got up in my face
and said,
"Did you kill my computer with your
mind?"
And I thought, "I have got to lie about
this."
I knew I had. And I could see my
grandchildren paying for computers. You
know, basically I heard myself say,
"Yes, sir, I did."
And
the
grin that comes across General Hapgood's
face in that movie
>> Mhm.
>> is exactly the grin that came across
uh Bert's face.
And you can
you can bleep this out if you want.
Just immediately, right there in my
face, he said,
"Far out if I ever got a job for
you."
>> Uh that's [laughter] awesome.
>> Yeah.
>> Wow.
>> Yeah.
>> Who do you think tasked him initially
with assembling this X-Men team of
psychic
>> his own. He got all kinds of flak from
that.
>> Really? He really did.
>> So he kind of went rogue a little bit.
>> Yeah.
>> Mhm.
Such a fascinating world, you know, all
this stuff. And I always I find it
interesting, too, cuz you have Hal
Puthoff
is one of these guys who's kind of
you know, one of the godfathers of
remote viewing.
>> He's great.
>> Amazing guy.
>> Yeah.
>> And but then he also is at the forefront
of the UFO stuff. And I that has to be
significant, like to me at least. I
think there has to be this like
essential overlap between these two
things.
Okay.
Um
You've heard a lot of stories that when
a person gets abducted, they suddenly
start having psychic ability.
>> So, yes.
>> Okay.
I was tasked to do a paper that as soon
as I turned it in, it
disappeared. I don't know if it's in
that
place where here that big warehouse
where
uh
uh
at the end of the Indiana Jones movie.
The task was
compare and contrast
our psychic ability with the ET psychic
ability.
And um
I got access to a bunch of stuff that
most people will never see. But um the
end result of that study that I did, I
had already found out
that you can divide psychically
the ETs into four different groups.
Uh there's not
us and them, there's us and them and
them and them and them and them and them
and them.
And uh you can cut them into four
different groups, friends and enemies.
And those who have more psychic ability
than we have, and those who are equal or
less psychic than we are.
>> [gasps]
>> The
enemies who are equal or less than we
are
try to stay away from here.
They don't like us. Okay.
>> [sighs]
>> The friends who are less or equal to us
psychically
come here for trade.
Come here for trade.
And um
the
ones who are more psychic than we are
and friends want us to become psychic.
>> Mhm.
>> The ones who are enemies and more
psychic than we are don't want us off
this planet. They'd be very happy to
just wipe the planet off, you know.
Kill all human spirit.
And uh I couldn't figure out why.
And this one um
this one event that
I got the record of.
There were three guys camping at a lake.
And they It was night time. They saw a
UFO come. And they were standing there
on the lake looking at it.
It came up right over them. And all of a
sudden they couldn't move. They were
frozen. And they got abducted.
And there was something about that
that uh
sort of just
made everything that I'd studied before
that fall together.
And that is that
those ETs had much more psychic ability
than the humans, but no range.
>> Mhm.
>> They had to be right over them in order
to do anything.
>> Mhm.
>> With the remote viewing we can see
across space and time
like looking across the room at stove or
something, you know?
>> Mhm.
>> No different.
If we develop our psychic ability
when we get out in the space
we are going to be a power in the
universe because we can see
way into the future
anywhere in space and all that.
And evidently they can't.
>> Mhm.
>> And so we have that ability. That's why
our friends want us out there.
And our enemies don't want us off
through planet.
>> Do you have a sense of like
a taxonomies of non-human intelligence,
like the species and stuff cuz
I'm not going to lie. When I
speak to people about when people
volunteer information about this, I'm
often skeptical. And then in the event
in which we are, you know, being visited
by non-human intelligence, which I
believe we are,
>> Oh, yeah.
>> then
it's somehow obviously very important to
categorize them as you as you just have.
But can you categorize them further by
they're from XYZ planet, you know,
>> Oh, you mean in those four groups?
>> Yeah, I mean like the classic thing
would be like Nordic, grays, reptilians,
like
>> found it was that like the Nordics, the
grays, and all that
>> Mhm.
>> fit into all four groups.
>> Mhm.
>> So, there are grays that hate us, grays
that like us, grays that are more
psychic than we are, grays that
>> Mhm.
>> couldn't view their way out of a paper
bag if the top was open, you know, and
uh
like many of us.
And um
and that
there was no
seemed to be no separating them
according to type into any of those four
groups that
at some point
there are
people in any of those four groups that
I mean in any race
that fit into all those four groups.
>> Have you ever seen a UFO in a hangar?
>> Not in a hangar.
Well,
uh in the viewing of um Mount Hayes, uh
Mount um
Mount Zion.
>> Have you ever seen a UFO
in the possession of the American
military? Not just a UFO that's flying
around, you know, in the woods somewhere
or something like that.
>> one I've seen was in that hangar
where the collision had taken place and
there was just a a massive dump of
of
>> [sighs]
>> debris and that
uh
that control panel was there in that
debris.
>> And so where was this? Where did you see
this?
>> You're about to where I can't answer.
>> Can't answer. Um
But so you must have had a very high
clearance at the time.
>> Oh yeah, I had one of the highest
clearances uh
>> [gasps]
>> not only for the remote viewing but for
other stuff that I've done
that will never be talked about. And
I've heard that only 17 people have ever
had that.
>> Really?
>> I don't know if that's true or not.
>> So it's basically the highest clearance
you can get?
>> Oh.
When I was given that clearance
I asked that he said that's the highest
clearance I've ever given anybody.
And I said, "Well, what is the highest
clearance?"
He said, "Oh, there is one but nobody
ever gets it." And I said, "What's
that?" He said, "Truth."
>> [laughter]
>> Truth, I like that.
>> Truth, nobody learns the truth.
>> Yeah, that's funny.
But you had the highest human clearance
in the federal government.
>> I just I had the highest clearance of
anybody I've ever met. And one time uh
Burt and I were out at
out lunch and he said, "What is your
clearance?" And I said,
uh
uh TS/SI/SAP.
And
his
utensils went down he said,
"What?" He said, "I can't even get
that."
>> [laughter]
>> Oh.
>> And so anyway, but it was because of
other work that
outside of the remote viewing unit and
outside of all the other that uh uh
I was doing.
>> Mhm.
Well, I think that clearance needs a
little bit of a rebrand for our
audience. That is not SIOP,
psychological operation.
>> No, it's not.
>> [laughter]
>> Strategic and
integrated operational, SIOP.
>> SIOP.
>> Yeah.
>> Uh so, don't get any ideas. But, um um
this UFO
that you saw the debris of in a hangar,
did you see that in person?
>> Yeah.
>> So, that wasn't a remote viewing
session?
>> No, that wasn't a remote viewing. I was
standing there in front of it and
>> You were standing in front of a crashed
UFO in a hangar.
>> This hangar was dealing with mid-air
collisions.
And so, the guy
my friend was showing me around and
showing me how they put the planes back
together and all that. And they had
these piles of rubble all over and they
were, you know,
to figure out what happened with the
mid-air collision. And we passed by this
one
and here was the control panel of a UFO,
which I had seen and operated before.
And uh
and I said,
"That's out of UFO."
And it echoed in this
metal Quonset
building.
And immediately
the
uh
colonel who was in charge came running
out of his office and I mean, just ran
me out of the place.
>> [laughter]
>> A lot of questions. So, you said
something interesting there. You said,
"Which I had operated before." So, you
knew that this was a UFO
control panel because you had some prior
experience with it.
>> I had I was I had a
I was abducted.
>> Mhm.
>> Okay?
Uh I was a Methodist minister
uh in East Texas.
And the um
Methodist used
they move their
young preachers around from church to
church to give them experience.
Every year you move to a different
church.
And uh, it was time to move. My family
had already moved to the new parsonage.
>> And when you say parsonage
>> Parsonage is where the preacher lives.
It's the house where the preacher lives.
>> Okay.
>> I was cleaning out the old parsonage.
Got it all cleaned out. Everything was
in the U-Haul.
And um
it was late at night.
And I was tired. So, I made a pallet
down on the living room floor.
And laid down.
Um, and [clears throat]
I was wide awake.
And I heard something land in the
backyard.
Now, this was a country church.
We were
over a quarter mile off the nearest
road.
In the woods and all that. And um
and I heard something land in the
backyard.
>> [gasps]
>> And I knew it wasn't a helicopter.
It didn't sound like a helicopter. It
sounded like um
uh, the the best
example I can give is where some kid
sticks a playing card spoke of his
bicycle and
and you put it
It was like that.
And uh, so
I was going to get up and
go to the back room and see what was in
the backyard.
I couldn't move. And I was wide awake.
It wasn't sleep paralysis at all. I was
wide awake.
I couldn't move. And I heard somebody
walking around the house to the front
window looking in.
>> [sighs and gasps]
>> And immediately I woke up
and I was sitting
in a white room.
There were two rows of seats.
And I was sitting here.
There was an elderly elder woman sitting
here.
I tried talking to her and she was just
frozen.
And there were empty seats over here in
the window.
Now, when I fly
I have to have a window seat.
I
can't deal with being inside. You know,
I I have to have a window seat.
Especially on a UFO.
Well, no, in a plane, you know.
>> [laughter]
>> And so I was sitting there and this
tall
muscled up must been must have been 7 ft
tall
and muscled up like Arnold
Schwarzenegger
and just pale as could be
uh came into the room there.
And I said, "Excuse me, can I sit by the
window?" He got this look of fear on his
face and turned around and ran out.
And uh
so a few minutes later
a little gray with three of these big
guys huddled behind the gray for
protection. You know,
uh came in and the gray started talking
to me and I would nod almost going to
sleep and then wake up.
>> [gasps]
>> Finally the gray said
"You know, we've got work to do. Come
with me."
He took me up front. He was the pilot.
And
uh he had me kneel down
in front of the control panel.
>> [gasps]
>> With me kneeling down
and him standing we were eye to eye.
So that tells you his size, you know.
But um
I was watching him. He was talking. We
were talking to each other and all that.
We We would land
the
tall white guys would go out and come
back in and I guess they were picking up
more people.
We'd take off again and finally he said,
uh, "We're going on a long jump now."
And, uh, so we went on this thing where
we didn't land for quite a while.
And, uh, I said,
"I've been watching. Can I Can I try
it?"
And he said, "No, human hands are too
small."
>> [sighs and gasps]
>> Well, I have some very large hands.
And so,
uh,
he said, "Put your hand up." And I put
my hand up. He put his up and his were
almost the same We were almost the same
size hands.
And, uh,
so he said, "I'll let you try."
And I tried it and didn't wreck the
place. I I didn't wreck the thing, but
he was standing right over me just in
case, you know. And, um, so I tried it
and I learned how to do it. Anyway, we
landed at some place that was not Earth.
And, uh, the sky was black. The sun was
out, but very dim.
And, um,
and
looked out the window, the front window,
and there were two other ships.
There was a string of people
going.
And I asked him, "What do you do here?"
And he said, "We're medical team." He
said, um,
"We catch a lot of diseases going
spaces around space." And he said,
"We have no immunity.
But, you people are like
antibody factories. We use your
antibodies
for health." They said, "There are only
three of three of our ships." And all
that.
And so, anyway,
um,
came our time to get off and I filed
back with the other people and I was
getting off and they were going up this
>> [gasps]
>> uh path to a pavilion that was up on the
hill.
He grabbed me by the arm and he said,
"You don't want to go up there."
And uh he pulled me over to the side and
we sat down on the grass on the hillside
and the grass was totally black, which I
found out
from somebody later. They said, "Well,
of course it was black. With no
bright sun, it had to absorb different
rays and so it had to be black to absorb
I don't know." They gave me a scientific
reason for it.
>> [gasps]
>> But um
as we sat there, we were talking
and you could hear up on the hill
somebody would scream in horror and
everybody would else would laugh.
And then it'd go quiet. And then
somebody else would scream in horror and
everybody would laugh and all that and
they they took turns.
>> [sighs and gasps]
>> And so I was glad I wasn't up there.
But anyway, as we talked, he was
answering questions and we were talking
and um I said, "Well,
what are you implanting in us?"
And he was confused. He
said, "We don't implant anything into
you."
I said, "Well, we find these
these glass-like things and things like
that implanted in us."
He said, "Oh, you people won't be still.
The tips of our instruments wear off."
>> [sighs and gasps]
>> And I said, "Well,
why do you stick those?" He said,
"Because we take
one or two cells of our diseased tissue,
put it on that tip and implant it into
you and you will start making
antibodies.
And then we come back and harvest the
antibodies.
And he said, "You people won't be still,
the tips break off."
>> Mhm.
>> And so that's what that was.
>> Uh
so, when you say that you heard laughing
and then, you know, somebody would shout
out
>> gang would laugh while somebody was
screaming and and just pain and horror.
>> So, do you think that was like an
operation going on?
>> They were doing something to them. I'm
not sure what.
>> This antibody infusion?
>> I guess.
>> Yeah. Or this tissue infusion that would
create the antibodies?
>> I don't know. I wasn't up there. So, but
that's what I'm guessing.
>> is once you've landed on Do you know
where this other planet is?
>> No, I don't. Uh-oh. I just know it
wasn't Earth. I knew that.
>> Is the other guy, you know, the 7-ft guy
who looked like Arnold Schwarzenegger?
>> They were still on the ship, I guess. I
was sitting there with the little gray
on the on the hillside.
>> So, it's like the grays and the, you
know, these like Nordic-like things are
working together?
>> These weren't Nordics.
>> What were they?
>> They were just
They struck me as being dumb as a rock.
>> Mhm.
>> Uh
Uh they were just
workers
for the gray.
I don't know what they were doing. They
were going out and getting people and
coming back.
>> [gasps]
>> How do you fly a UFO?
>> [sighs]
>> Um
Well,
let me go on with the story, okay?
>> Yeah, sure.
>> Um
Uh
when everybody came back down,
uh well, while we're there on the
mountain side,
on the hillside, um
the pilot said to me, "I want some I
want you to meet somebody." He went off
and got another one that came back,
sat down on the hill behind me and said,
"Put up your hand."
So, I put up my hand. He put his hand on
the back of mine.
>> [sighs and gasps]
>> And from that point on, I remembered
nothing until the people were coming
back down the hill
and I was in line with them getting back
onto the ship.
>> [gasps]
>> And uh
I turned to the pilot and I said, "I'd
like to remember all this." And he said,
"Well, you won't."
So,
the next morning, I was standing at the
back window of the parsonage there
looking out.
Could not remember why I was there. I
thought, "Well, have I been sleepwalking
or what?"
And was just so confused
for about 5 or 6 minutes and then I
realized, "Oh, yeah.
I'm moving to the new parsonage."
So, I gathered up the pallet I had made,
threw it into the U-Haul, and drove off
thinking
I'd forgotten something.
Over the next 25 years,
that grew and grew and grew until
I couldn't leave the house without going
back five times. What have I forgotten?
What have I forgotten?
And uh no matter where we lived.
And so, one day we were headed for
church
and uh my wife
was sick and tired of all this, you you
know.
>> [gasps]
>> And uh so, she said,
"Did you check the basement?" Yes, I
checked the basement. "Did you check the
kitchen? Did you check the stove? Did
you check you know?" And I said, "Yes."
And she said, "Did you check the
backyard?"
And when she said that,
25 years later after the event, it all
came flooding back.
>> [sighs]
>> And I remembered.
And
I thought, "This is stupid. I've never
been abducted. Come on, give me a
break." And but it hit me so hard, I sat
down on the front steps and I just
couldn't move.
And so the next day
I was in the remote viewing unit by that
time.
The next day I got some encrypted
coordinates, just some numbers, and I
gave it to all the people as a practice
target.
And they came back with what I had
remembered. Really?
And so
I thought
telepathic overlay, they're just reading
my mind.
It never happened.
So um
evidently it was Ed Dames
that reported me.
And the following week I was up at the
Defense Intelligence Agency
going to see the director.
And the two men in black stepped out of
an off out of
little conference room, pointed in,
and I knew the routine of the men in
black. And so I went in
and sat down.
The men in black are not aliens, okay?
They're a hired professional
interrogator.
And the other person
who sits off to the side and never says
anything
is the person from a unit that has
questions
that they give to the interrogator, and
he sits over there and listens for
answers. That's why he sits over there
and never says anything.
And so
the interrogator has a list of
questions. He jumbles them back and
forth, and you know, mixes them up and
says them in different ways to see if
you're going to trip yourself up.
And so he was he kept asking about the
control panel.
And um
and
I thought when they stepped out in the
hallway, I thought
they want to see somebody with my
clearance is going crazy.
So, I thought that's what it was in
there for, but he kept asking about the
control panel.
And so, about the fourth or fifth time
he asked, I said, "No, this is how you
work it."
And explained it.
And the guy over to the side slapped his
leg and said, "So, that's it."
I looked over and I realized he's got
one and didn't know how to fly it.
I looked back at the interrogator
and grinned.
The interrogator is trained to never
make an expression of any kind.
But, his ears started turning red. I
could tell he was angry.
And within 20 seconds, I was in the room
by myself. They were gone.
And uh
so, I thought
maybe I was abducted. I don't know.
Then, about a year later
I was at this facility on this other
mission.
Met this guy that I had known way back
years before in the military.
Found out what he did. He showed me
through this hangar.
And um
that's where I came across this panel
and I said, "That's out of a UFO."
I got kicked out of there.
But, the minute I saw the minute I saw
that, I thought
"Shit, I was abducted."
>> [sighs and gasps]
>> What did the control panel look like?
>> Um it has a
an impression of a hand on it. This one
The one in the hangar did.
The one on the ship didn't. Um had the
impression of a hand. There are holes
over it.
Okay?
And uh
where you put your finger over the hole
is what
works the
uh
works the controls the ship.
>> Any sort of surface materials, metallic?
>> Metal, yeah.
>> Metal?
>> But um
it's the holes. The holes.
>> Where you put your Where you stop one of
the holes up, that's how they control
the ship.
>> Was it gray or any particular color?
>> It was just metal that
as far as I remember, yeah.
>> And so when you said, "I think that's a
control panel from a UFO." you clearly
hit a nerve.
>> I said, "That's out of a UFO."
I was definite statement, "That's out of
a UFO." and it just echoed in that
hangar. And uh
>> And they got angry immediately.
>> Oh, yeah. Oh, they kicked me out, man.
Uh with warnings, they kicked me out.
Yeah.
>> What What were the warnings?
>> Well, you don't tell this about anybody.
We You know,
uh
you don't ever mention this about to
anybody.
>> Why do you feel okay talking about it
now?
>> Uh because I can talk about it. I can't
tell you where it is.
>> No context is okay?
>> Yeah. Uh-huh.
>> Yeah.
And uh when were you abducted? What
year?
>> [sighs and gasps]
>> Uh it was 25 years before that. So, it'd
be uh
60
63, 65, somewhere around there.
>> Sure. And was it
from your place and were you in New
Mexico at the time or
>> No, I was in Texas. You're in Texas. Um
Um in East Texas. East Texas church,
yeah.
>> Mhm.
>> And did that have any transform it You
mentioned some abductees,
you know, have greater psychic powers.
Did that, you know, change you in any
sort of way?
>> I don't think so.
Um
like I say, growing up
when I was
12 and 15, I was
all this PK stuff.
And uh
I had had some psychic experiences when
I was young and all through life.
>> [sighs]
>> But nothing
astounding of any way.
And then when Bert put me into the
remote viewing unit, that's where I
learned
>> [sighs and gasps]
>> the controlled remote viewing
to use your psychic ability to collect
intelligence.
>> Mhm.
So fascinating. Mhm.
And how long do you do you feel like you
were on this UFO for when you were
abducted?
>> Well, it was
it felt like hours and oh, it felt like
a long time.
>> Did you have missing time at all like in
in the real world?
>> Well,
I was there
on the pallet in the living room.
And
the next morning I was standing at the
back window looking out at the backyard.
So,
had to be just overnight.
You know.
>> Did anyone in your family ask what had
happened to you?
>> No, because when I left and went to the
new parsonage
I felt like I'd forgotten something at
the other parsonage, but I didn't
remember any of it for 25 years.
>> Until So, was it it was the control
panel that you saw in the hangar that
freaked you out and made you remember
the abduction?
>> No, it was when my wife said, "Did you
check the backyard?" Okay. And she was
making fun of me, but when she said
that,
it all came back.
>> Really?
>> And so, the next
Monday,
>> Uh-huh.
>> I went to work there at the remote
viewing unit, gave them the task, and
they confirmed it. I didn't believe it.
>> [sighs and gasps]
>> The men in black confirmed it. I didn't
believe it.
A year later,
I saw that pile of stuff
in that hangar,
saw the control panel, and that's when I
said,
"Shit, I was abducted."
>> [laughter]
>> Got it. So, so what you had the
flashback when your
wife said, "Go check the backyard."
>> Yeah, but that was
That was 20
>> you the flashback?
>> Evidently, because
when that happened,
I was trying to get up and go to the
backyard and see what
what happened, what landed.
And so, I didn't remember the whole I
didn't remember any of it.
When I drove away from the Parson's that
day to go to the new to the new house,
uh
all I could
think of was how to get to the new
house, and also the
feeling that, "Hey, I forgot something."
>> Did you have an implant at any point in
your body afterwards?
>> No. No.
He He grabbed me by the arm, and he
said, "You don't want to go up there."
So.
>> So, how do you fly a UFO? Cuz it did
presumably this gray sort of taught you.
>> He showed me the fingering and all that,
and that's what I explained to the
interrogator,
and that's when the guy said, slapped
his leg, and said, "So, that's it."
>> Is there some sort of mental connection?
>> No. Mhm.
>> Just putting the fingers
>> Just how you work the control panel.
>> Because if I was the guy in the hangar,
you said they had other crashed, you
know, prosaic
>> airplanes.
>> crashed airplanes. Yeah. So, if I had
other crashed airplanes and I was an
aerospace person and I saw a control
panel and it had a like, you know, five
different little holes for for your
fingers.
>> had a bunch of holes, yeah.
>> So, I my my
maybe like initial assumption would be
that's how you'd
you know, fly it. But, you he didn't
figure that out on his own.
>> I imagine a regular aeronautics person
would
think what a piece of junk.
>> Yeah, or that. Or they just would have
no idea. So, he didn't even know it was
a control panel. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Interesting.
>> But, evidently somebody knew it was a
control panel and knew it.
>> Because they got mad and kicked you out.
>> Yeah, huh.
>> [laughter]
>> But, it was just sitting there like kind
of unattended to?
>> It was in a pile over to one side.
>> Interesting.
So bizarre. Do you Was this
Do you think they had any intention of
reverse engineering it?
>> I have no idea. We just were walking
past
pile of wreckage, pile of wreckage, pile
of wreckage and there was this one pile
of wreckage and there was that
control panels.
>> Did you
>> It was sitting up there.
>> Did you experience any sort of psychic
phenomena like around the metal that
sometimes occurs? Okay.
>> No.
>> It was just there.
>> I just saw it and
hey, that's out of a UFO.
>> Wow.
It's pretty wild.
>> Yeah.
>> Has anyone else showed you a photo or a
drawing of their abduction experience
that looks at all like this control
panel that you saw?
>> No. Not a one.
But, then they never show you the inside
of the ship, I don't think.
Uh I've never seen anything like that.
They mean they tell stories about their
abduction and all that, but uh
>> Did you ever come across a guy named
General uh William Neil McCasland.
>> No.
>> Who's at Wright-Patterson?
>> No, I didn't know.
>> Uh did you ever come across Hans Adams
by any chance? The Liechtenstein royal
prince? No?
>> No, huh.
>> Okay.
>> In fact, the
you know,
>> [sighs]
>> the UFOs that
uh
I've seen a lot of UFOs. I mean, I live
in Alamogordo. We see UFOs all the time.
And I mean, provable UFOs.
And uh
um
it's gotten to where
Yeah, it's a UFO. So?
Yeah. So what?
>> [laughter]
>> And they're here. I know it.
So?
>> [sighs and gasps]
>> So what? There's nothing I can do about
it.
>> Do you think there's also a lineage of
exotic propulsion that's man-made?
>> [sighs]
>> What my friend who did the
technology transfer with one of the
groups of aliens
um
told me at one time
he said
um
way back when we found that if you
explode something, it moves things.
It blows things away.
So, you can cause motion by exploding
things.
And that has led to the internal
combustion engine and the jet plane and
all that. You explode
and it makes things move.
Uh he said that
the group he dealt with
way back when they found that you can
move things with magnets.
>> Mhm.
>> And that just as we have taken
the
fire and turned it into rockets that can
go to other planets, you know, that can
go to the moon.
They have taken magnetism and over the
centuries they have developed it to
where
and he said
one of the things that he had seen
was that we think they're so more
advanced than we are.
They think
we're so far advanced than they are.
When actually we've just advanced in two
different directions.
But he said that's why they're eager to
trade with us.
>> Interesting. Because we've like
almost split off from them as far as our
trajectories.
>> Yeah. Uh-huh.
>> Mhm. Is there anything having to do with
timelines? Like are they us on a
different timeline sort of thing?
>> Not from anything I've heard [snorts]
him say.
>> Did you ever encounter any religious
figures in your experience with remote
viewing?
>> Oh, yeah.
>> Like who?
>> Yeah, but not
not tied with ETs or anything.
>> Were you ever tasked with looking into
the Buddha or Jesus or Muhammad?
>> yeah.
>> Which one of those?
>> Um
two that
were
most meaningful to me.
Uh one time
um
well, I think we already mentioned that
one of my fortes was
mental access.
And um
so I was tasked a lot of times with
doing personality profiles
or
even deeper than that
getting the plans and intentions of
foreign leaders.
And personality profile is just where
you give a personality profile of. So I
went over one day and um
they said we have a personality profile
for you.
And they gave me the coordinates
and um
just almost immediately
I said uh uh
this isn't one of the bad guys.
And my monitor said, "What
your task with it, go and do the
session."
>> [sighs and gasps]
>> By the end of that session um
I was just feeling like I was glowing
and uh
um
my entire summary on that session was
whatever evil you think this guy did, he
didn't do it.
He's a good guy.
And um in that session
I found myself
again with the perfect side integration.
I was standing there
and this
little
Jewish-looking guy
was standing in front of me
in a modern business suit.
And
we didn't talk so much as
just
you know, related to each other and all
that.
And um
I felt just dirty in front of this guy.
>> [gasps]
>> And basically what he let me know was
whatever evil you've done, I've seen a
whole lot worse.
Whatever you good you've done
I've seen a whole lot better.
I don't care, I like you anyway.
And when I came out of the session
that's what I knew, but what I wrote was
whatever evil you think this guy did, he
didn't do it. You know, he's a good guy.
And that's when the monitor opened the
um
envelope and our director had written
the word Jesus on it.
So
>> [sighs]
>> I cannot say I physically met Jesus,
but I have had the experience
of it and it changed my life. It really
did.
>> What did you feel when you were in his
presence?
>> Oh, I felt dirty.
>> [laughter]
>> I felt so dirty. I felt so guilty of
myself and everything else. I felt, you
know.
>> But you felt loved?
>> Huh?
>> Did you also feel love?
>> Oh, yeah, absolutely.
When he said, "I don't care."
He said, "I love you anyway." You know.
>> Mhm.
>> And uh
>> Why was he, you don't think of Jesus in
the, you know, business seat? Why do you
think he was?
>> I think that was a way of saying
he's not
uh
thing out of the past and, you know,
wearing robes and all that. He's here
today.
>> Mhm.
>> I That's the only
interpretation I can get of that.
>> Did he look like Jesus is traditionally
depicted, long hair?
>> near. No, no. Huh.
I mean, this looked like a short little
Jewish guy.
>> Mhm.
Where was he? And what was he just kind
of
>> He was just standing there in front of
me, you know.
>> In in like hyperspace or in a room or
>> In a room, yeah. And it was all dark in
the room, but we were there, you know.
>> Wow.
>> And uh
>> Did you ever remote view any other
religious figures or mystics?
>> One other time. Uh they had done this
with um
uh Bill Ryan.
And uh they did it with me.
Uh they probably did it with all the
others.
Um
uh
I was to do a
you know, just a target. They didn't
even say personality profile or anything
like that.
And uh
I found myself
surrounded by total darkness, but I was
standing in some light. I couldn't
figure out where the light was coming
from.
And uh I heard this voice
that said, you know, um
um
you know, welcome to me and all that.
And,
I said, well,
what am I doing here?
It said, you're here to learn.
And, I said, okay.
What am I supposed to learn?
>> [sighs]
>> And, there was no answer.
And, I said,
well, look,
give me something.
And, the voice said,
I've given you everything you need.
What I give you now, I give through you,
not to you.
>> Mhm.
>> And, when I came out of the session and
they opened the envelope, it said, God.
>> Really?
>> Yeah.
>> Did you see God?
>> I didn't. But, I heard the voice
clearly, from now on,
everything I give you, I give through
you,
not to you.
>> What did you feel in God's presence?
>> Oh,
total confusion.
I was I was thinking, hey, I've got a
target. I've got I've got to write a
report on this, you know.
But, uh
>> Did you feel awestruck?
>> No, I um
I was in an empty room hearing the
voice.
>> Did you feel love?
>> Not really.
Um
the the voice was
I mean, just
more friendly than you'd ever know, you
know.
And, kind and all that.
>> Do you think you actually spoke to God?
>> Um
I think God spoke to me. Yeah.
And I think what I was there to learn
was
from now on I give through you,
>> Mhm.
>> not to you.
>> Do you think
on the remote viewing program anybody
ever engaged in sort of deception or
trickery, or do you think it was always
pretty straightforward? They gave you a
target.
>> Well, we had
constructive trickery.
>> Mhm.
>> Um
I know one time um
we had one of the viewers go over, and
one of the things you have to learn in
remote viewing
is how to overcome pollution.
And so we were never supposed to pollute
each other.
But you don't learn how to overcome
pollution by not facing it.
And so uh one time one of the viewers
was going over,
and he'd been having trouble with
fighting pollution.
And so
we had the coffee pot,
and he always got coffee to take over
with him to the other building when he
did a session.
And it was a practice session.
And so
I went up and got my coffee at the same
time.
And right as he finished fixing his
coffee and turned to go away, I said,
"Oh, by the way,
your target today is probably not the
Eiffel Tower."
And I turned and walked away back to my
desk and left him standing there having
to fight the Eiffel Tower.
And we would do things like that to each
other, you know.
>> Why do you think they asked you to
remote view God and Jesus?
>> Uh it was I think something they did for
all of us.
Uh
>> Why?
>> Uh they uh Bill Ray, I know they had him
uh remote view Buddha and that was a
uh
change life-changing experience for him.
And uh
I think they did that to all of us just
um
just to give us the experience. Um
many of the targets we got
were to gain experience in how to view
things.
>> Did you view anything historical that
they want like did they ever say, "Look
at the French Revolution or look at the
you know um
>> We did those because there was feedback.
They wouldn't give us targets for which
there was no feedback because you can't
judge.
>> What's an example of a famous historical
event that you remote viewed?
>> Oh,
things like um
Joan of Arc. Um
>> What did What did Joan of Arc
>> Napoleon.
>> What What did What did those two look
like?
>> Um
Joan of Arc
uh
different parts of her life. Um
we also um
um
just events in history, uh historical
places.
>> What was Napoleon like?
>> Um Napoleon was um
just
egotistical like you wouldn't believe.
>> [laughter]
>> I mean
he was
God's favorite in all this, you know,
and and
he was
he was his own hero.
>> Is there anything you can say about
Napoleon that isn't conventionally known
but that you learned through your remote
viewing of him?
>> I'm not sure what's conventionally
known. Uh
>> Well, I think people think of him as
like this
yeah, chip on his shoulder cuz his dad
was
>> Oh, did he?
>> Yeah, yeah, cuz his dad was a Corsican
governor. So that was off the coast of
France and you know, he didn't
>> Well, the one thing that I really know
about him is the time that uh he had the
war of the rabbits. Have you heard of
that one?
>> No.
>> Um
it was a celebration of some big event
that he did.
And um
so he was going to have all of his
generals come out to do a rabbit hunt, a
wild rabbit hunt.
And they couldn't find enough rabbits,
so they got all these tame rabbits
from rabbit raisers and all that. And
right before the thing event, they let
them loose in the woods.
Well,
the rabbits saw the humans and thought,
"Oh, feeding time."
And so all the rabbits ran toward the
generals
and just swarmed the generals, and the
generals started running, and Napoleon
himself had to jump into his car There
were hundreds of them. Had to jump into
his cart uh you know, into his carriage.
And as the carriage went away, he was
throwing rabbits out the window. He lost
the war to the rabbits.
>> Wow. Is [laughter] this documented?
>> Yeah, it's documented.
>> And you saw it.
>> Oh, yeah. Uh-huh. And uh I give it now
as a um as a target to my students here.
>> What's the most disturbing thing you've
ever seen historically?
>> Ooh.
Historically?
>> Or not historically. Could have been
contemporary or historical.
>> Um
there are a lot of uh
inhumanities that humans do.
And um
I know
a lot of police work.
Um
finding missing children.
I have a lot of students who come and
they say, "Well, I want to help find
missing children."
>> [gasps]
>> And I warn them ahead of time,
>> [sighs]
>> "In order to do that, you're going to
have to experience where the children
are,
what they're going through, and all
that.
And you're going to actually experience
children being molested,
killed,
chopped into pieces, and buried across
acres of land. Do you really want to do
that, you know?"
And I always tell beginning students,
"Do not get involved in this until
you're highly, highly trained, cuz it
can mess you up emotionally like you
wouldn't believe."
>> I mean, highly trained and highly,
highly desensitized. I don't know how
anybody wouldn't be, you know, broken
into many pieces emotionally.
>> Oh, yeah. Oh, it can it can be
>> Jesus.
>> Really bad, yeah.
>> Um
All right. Well,
we got to take it to a more positive
place after that. What about all these
missing scientists? Have you looked into
any of them? So, I mentioned you
>> tasked with it, so I haven't done it,
yeah.
>> Could I task you with it?
>> Oh, you can. You won't have any feedback
for who knows how long.
>> Okay. All right. Well, let's talk after
this.
>> All right.
>> [laughter]
>> Um
do you have any Did has anybody tasked
you with anything on this hantavirus?
This like people are worried about this
COVID 2.0 virus that's
um seems like it's caused some issues on
this cruise ship, and you know, people
think it might cause another pandemic.
>> Not directly on that. Uh back in 1998, I
was tasked with um
viewing the future of the US.
It wound up I viewed the future of the
world.
Uh up through the year 2050.
And um
I
turned in this whole long list of
changes that were going to happen
and I have watched them come true one
after another after another.
And um
um
would it
just a glossing over everything
>> [sighs]
>> we're going down.
>> [laughter]
>> I mean it's going to be some hard hard
hard times. That's going to result in um
um
quite a bit of
warfare, quite a bit of um
uh
one of the things it pointed out
was um killing off of 75% of the world
population.
>> What?
>> 75%
>> with what?
>> um man-made disasters like earthquakes
and so on. Also
um
you know
it gave a list of other things, but uh
what I found was that by the year about
2040
there will be almost no centralized
government. Uh we will
um
be an agrarian society.
Uh any goods that we can't make for
ourselves or grow for ourselves will be
delivered and there will be almost no
social interaction
with the few people that are left except
through technology.
And
uh
um one of the things was you can make
your own tools.
And I thought, how in the world can you
make your own tools? In 1998 they didn't
have 3D printers.
And yet I saw people just
go into this machine and making their
own tools.
>> Well,
>> This sounds terrible.
>> [laughter]
>> Okay. Uh but earlier you mentioned that
we are bound to be a spacefaring species
and the only way to do that is to have
one world government.
>> Mhm.
>> But in this sort of prophecy it feels
like there's no central government. So,
>> Yeah.
>> how do you those two
>> I think it's going to wind up after
that. So, I don't think we're going to
get into space until around 2080 or even
afterwards.
>> Okay.
And when you say into space cuz we're
technically in space now, you mean
>> Well, we're technically in space, but
what I mean into space as a community
>> Uh-huh.
>> of the space, you know, of space.
>> Yeah.
>> I mean right now we can go to the moon.
Maybe we can go to Mars. So, that's it.
>> If humans can bilocate with their
consciousness, do you think there's a
secret space program which has a
ridiculous connotation, but do you think
there is a secret space program
involving human consciousness where
humans bilocate systematically to other
planets?
>> [sighs]
>> Yes.
>> You're smiling.
>> I think so. Yes.
>> Do you think so or do you know so?
>> I'm not involved.
>> [laughter]
>> Sounds like you might know so, but
>> But but have we done that?
Yeah, I've done that. Yeah.
>> You've done that.
>> But
>> Outside of just
>> If there is an effort, I'm not involved.
>> Okay.
Mhm. Fascinating.
>> But is it possible?
>> Yeah. Been there, done that. But uh
>> Well, I was just thinking you said, you
know,
>> Didn't get Didn't get the t-shirt.
>> [laughter]
>> Fair enough. Well, you had no gift shop.
Well, you you you mentioned your Mars
story and then I you know, I'm thinking
in my head if you can systematically do
that. And there are stories that go back
to
17th century Swedish mystic Emanuel
Swedenborg, you know, saying he went to
other planets and coming back. If there
There a science behind that.
>> There is and um
uh
I didn't mention that uh
there's also
>> [sighs and gasps]
>> what they're calling remote influencing,
which is actually a form of remote
persuasion, but um you can mentally
>> [sighs]
>> interact telepathically with others,
pass messages back and forth and all
that. We've learned how to do that.
>> Wow.
>> hard. Whether that's people on Earth or
beings on another planet, it's
actually very easy to do. At the extreme
highest levels of CRV, yeah.
>> Have you ever worked with a guy who
supposedly ran the CIA weird desk, Kit
Green?
>> Uh I know of Kit Green.
>> Okay.
>> Um
>> Have you ever been experimented
with vis-a-vis radiation to see if that
would affect your psychic abilities?
>> Oh, for that.
>> Yeah.
>> No, for that, but we can detect it uh
radiation quite easily.
>> Hm.
>> Uh not only
you know, like particle beam particle
weapons and all that. Uh
or radiation like you know, uranium and
radiant
uh
radium and all that, but also um
just um
uh transmitters,
you know, radio transmitters. Uh it's
very possible.
Like um if the
enemy [clears throat]
in the field is transmitting,
we know generally
what their frequency band is because we
know what frequency bands the other
countries uses.
Okay?
>> [sighs]
>> But
you can say to remote viewer,
um
uh remote view this thing, and you'll
come up and see something sticking up a
pole or something like that,
and it's glowing, let's say um
you take the visible spectrum and spread
it out over their radio frequency
spectrum they have, and you look for the
blue-green, now you know what
what frequency they're transmitting on,
you turn your radio to that frequency,
and you intercept their
traffic.
>> Mhm.
It's interesting
that areas of high entropy and nuclear
are easier to remote view uh because I I
think of the UFO nuclear connection, and
it seems like UFOs show up around nukes
and areas of high entropy, and it almost
feels like they do cleanup jobs around
Chernobyl
>> I've written a
I've written a paper about that that
if it's true,
shows that it has nothing to do with
that at all as to why they show up.
>> So, why do you they show up?
>> Um
I don't even know if there's a
short method elevator method of saying
this.
The space-time continuum, okay?
Time is a part of space-time continuum.
Space is three-dimensional.
Time has got to be three-dimensional,
too.
>> People think of it as the fourth
dimension.
>> It's not.
It is a part of three-dimensional space,
time,
okay?
Therefore,
let's say that um
um
you know how in ancient times
the sun went around the earth and the
heavens went around the earth and we
were the center of everything, right?
>> Yes.
>> We look at time the same way.
We're here and time comes toward us and
it goes past us and all that.
>> [sighs and gasps]
>> Bullcrap.
Time is a part of the space-time
continuum.
It's linear because we're going through
it.
Okay?
So, if there's a disturbance in space
space-time continuum out here,
as we go toward it,
>> [sighs and gasps]
>> we can get,
you know, some of the waves of what it's
of it coming.
Therefore, we can see what we call our
future.
We're just picking up on where we are in
the space-time continuum as we go
through it.
Uh we can look into the past
and see what was there.
But space-time time itself
stands still.
And we're passing through it.
Therefore,
if there's some big disturbance in the
space-time continuum,
we will be attracted to it.
Some other people going through the
space-time continuum in another way will
also be attracted to it and it's like
two trains coming into train station at
the same time
and there Bigfoot pops in
and then Bigfoot disappears because
we go on.
>> So, the disturbance creates some sort of
inward pull between,
>> Yeah.
>> timelines.
>> Yeah.
>> And you get a collision of worlds.
>> at the same time,
we see a portal open. We see a
UFO suddenly pop into existence and
suddenly pop out and things like that.
>> You remote viewed Chernobyl.
>> Oh yeah, ahead of time. Yeah. Three day
three days before it happened.
>> You predicted it.
>> Yeah.
>> Whoa.
>> Yeah.
>> And what did people say?
>> Oh, um the task on that was um describe
what's going to be on the headlines in
the Sunday paper. And that was on
Friday.
Uh what I got was the Chernobyl
meltdown.
Well,
Iceland detected
the radiation
cloud coming over
on Tuesday. And Tuesday was when the
news came out about Chernobyl.
And therefore, the Sunday paper did not
have the Chernobyl event in it even
though it had already happened.
And so, I got a zero cuz it was wrong.
>> [sighs]
>> Wow.
>> [laughter]
>> Well, I think you got it you got it
right, but
>> I got it right. Described everything
even the purpose, how it happened, and
everything else, but uh
>> When you say the purpose or like what
what caused it?
>> What caused it?
>> Yeah.
>> And also the purpose. There was a
purpose.
>> What was the purpose?
>> Six tons of fissionable material
that was at the plant
not in the reactors, but it was at the
plant
was missing. Has been missing and is
unaccounted for.
>> Whoa.
Where do you think it's at?
>> I know where it's at.
>> [laughter]
>> You can't say.
>> Um I won't say, but uh yeah, I know
where it's at. Uh but it was um
it was
>> [sighs and gasps]
>> So, you think that was a little you
know, uh intentional job being done?
>> I think so.
>> Not just a little meltdown.
>> No, uh no.
>> Well.
>> Yeah.
Uh but you know, it's
>> And your your conviction level on that
is
>> pretty really high.
>> Over 90?
>> Yeah, yeah.
>> Close to 100?
>> Yeah. Yeah, close to 100, yeah.
>> Does anybody else in open-source world
believe this?
>> I think so.
>> Okay. So other people talk about it.
>> Nobody can account for the missing
stockpile that was there and isn't now.
And it's no longer there.
>> Wow.
>> Yeah.
>> I got to look into that. Um you also
were tasked with looking into a Russian
death ray?
>> Yeah.
Um
they um
the Russians were developing a
um
particle beam weapon at Semipalatinsk.
And um
so
somebody in one of our science groups or
something wanted to know what happens
inside the beam.
Well, on a particle beam weapon, you
can't stick an instrument inside to find
out what's happening because
it vaporizes it immediately.
So somebody had the genius idea of
sticking a remote viewer into the beam.
And so they came out and they told us
ahead of time, you know.
And uh
I thought
that'd be neat.
>> [laughter]
>> So I volunteered for it. And um
the
um we worked it to the point where I had
the perfect side integration. I was
standing there in front of this beam
>> [gasps]
>> and I stepped into it.
And when I did,
um
even time itself is messed up inside
that beam.
And uh the uh
the whole list of experiences just
were phenomenal. One of the things was
it was the most beautiful thing I've
ever seen in my life. Just uh
the colors and everything else.
But uh
what I got was
that the uh
the particles in the beam are not
shooting straight
like light does.
They swirl as they go.
And that was what the scientist wanted
to know, and so that was the part that
>> [sighs and gasps]
>> that they accepted back. All the other
experiences were just mine that I had,
and I don't think anybody cared.
>> So some of your remote viewing
was in the service of fundamental
science espionage.
>> Well, you do what you're tasked to do.
>> Mhm.
>> Yeah. Uh
>> So interesting.
>> Yeah.
>> Um
your fellow remote viewer who was highly
skilled, who we mentioned earlier in
this interview, Pat Price, died in a
very mysterious way.
>> met him. Yeah.
>> You never met him. Do you have any
theories as to
why he died? Or some people think that
maybe he was killed. I think Hal Puthoff
has publicly speculated about that.
>> Um
yeah.
Uh I've heard
other stories
from people who were there
who uh tell a different story from the
story that's published. And uh also
uh I've heard that
a couple of years later
he was seen in a department store in
downtown Washington, D.C.
>> Mhm.
>> And uh
the
um
head of the department of security
years later said
Pat Price died and we haven't heard from
him since.
>> Whoa.
Yeah, that's a little coded message
there.
>> Oh yeah, uh-huh.
>> Interesting.
>> So I don't think he might
still be alive or lived for a while
after that. He was cremated and all that
but uh
I've heard that the ambulance that
picked him up
was an unmarked ambulance drove away and
uh
his body was never seen since.
>> Why do you think
>> his family or anybody.
>> That's it's crazy. Why do you think that
the US hasn't gone back to the moon? We
we just had the Artemis mission where we
sort of flew around the moon.
But since 1972
since Apollo 17 I believe we have not
gone back to the moon.
>> And I have no idea. Um
I think we should go back.
>> What do you think happens with the
future of UFO disclosure? Do you think
in
you know, 20 30 years it sounds like you
are predicting some
calamities and some catastrophe
some population reduction.
>> not dealing with UFO not dealing with
UFOs and the ETs.
>> No no I know.
>> We're going to do that to ourselves you
know.
>> Yeah, which that sucks.
But but alongside that it does feel like
right now there's a lot of momentum
behind UFO disclosure.
>> I think the disclosure is going to come
out you know.
>> You do?
>> Yeah.
>> And so and what do you think the world
looks like on that dimension in 20
years? Do you think it's like academia
is teaching UFO classes and you know,
these are the alien races that are
visiting us that sort of thing?
>> Yeah, I think the
we will get exposure to the ETs you
know, physical exposure to the ETs
uh
within several years.
But, um you did for us to be in space
and join the
community out there,
uh that's going to take a long time.
>> Do you think they're going to reveal
their presence in a more kind of
widespread obvious way?
>> I think so.
>> Near term?
>> Yeah.
>> Next few years?
>> I think they're already doing that,
yeah.
>> Okay.
>> And um
um you know,
if you were out there,
>> Mhm.
>> would you want the Earth people coming
out and dealing with them?
I wouldn't.
>> [laughter]
>> I don't know. It sort of depends on a
million different factors, but yeah, if
you were some super, you know, pure
>> Yeah.
>> ancient and advanced race of beings,
yeah, maybe maybe you wouldn't want to
deal with the little chimps or
>> they've advanced in a different
direction. I wouldn't I wouldn't say
they're more advanced.
>> Sure.
>> Not all of them, yeah.
>> Yeah.
How do you reconcile your
uh kind of religious uh inclinations
with all of this UFO and alien
knowledge?
>> I see no problem with it.
>> Mhm.
>> Um
um
I think you would be an absolute
idiot
to believe that on
400
quintillion planets that exist, this is
the only one that has life.
Come on.
>> [laughter]
>> And you would limit God to that? Come
on.
>> Yeah, fair enough.
Yeah, no, I I agree. All of God's
creations, you know.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. I don't think it's so disruptive,
you know. People are talking about
>> I don't either. [clears throat]
>> pastors getting sort of, you know,
spoken to by these intel people who are
worried that it's going to cause a lot
of disruption. It's like, who cares?
Just be a normal rational person about
it and you know, if you're religious,
great. If you're not, that's fine, you
know.
>> Well,
being spoken to about it, I think is an
interpretation.
>> Mhm.
>> Like people say the men in black, they
threaten you at the end.
Uh, they don't.
>> Mhm.
>> Uh, they tell you, you know,
you shouldn't talk about this to
anybody.
And after you've sat there,
uh, one of the things when you're being
interviewed by the men in black,
is you're going to start trying to make
jokes.
>> Mhm.
>> They're not going to respond.
No humor, period.
And so all of a sudden you're getting
defensive. You're getting all,
you know, and and all that. And so when
they say you shouldn't talk this,
you take it as a threat.
They're just telling you you shouldn't
talk about this to anybody.
That's all they're saying. You know.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
Would you say you're generally
clairvoyant and and sort of you have
like a psychic uh, propensity uh, beyond
just the remote viewing training? I
mean, it sounds like it given your
childhood, yeah.
>> I always have had, yeah.
>> Do you pick up anything about me?
>> Not really. I, uh,
one of the things that you learn to do
in
in the controlled remote viewing is turn
it off.
>> Mhm.
>> We have a thing called the ambience
exercise.
>> [sighs and gasps]
>> The ambience exercise makes you
sensitive to the world around you.
Um,
the
um,
ninjas have a thing called Sak No Jitsu
where you're aware of everything in 360°
around you.
We developed that with the ambience
exercise.
And it gets to where you can't go to a
restaurant, you can't go to a church,
you can't be around people.
You just I mean it's it's just bombard
you.
>> Hyper sensitive.
>> Yeah, and so you learn
with step 16, you learn to turn it off.
>> Mhm.
>> And there are 20 steps in all
in the in the training of it.
And um
you learn to turn it off.
And somebody will
um
will be in conversation with somebody
and they'll forget a word or something
like that, you know, and
I
could dip and supply the word to them or
something like that.
And uh or they'll forget a fact and I
can
dip in real quick and get and remind
them of
and they said, "Oh, yeah, I remember
that." Yeah.
But uh you can help people that way and
>> [sighs]
>> uh
somebody
needs cheering up, you can get to their
subconscious and cheer them up.
But other than that, uh
I
I find it very distasteful to get into
other people's mind.
>> Yeah.
>> I just
>> Uh.
>> I don't do it.
>> Do you have any advice for me or for
audience members who want to get deeper
on the UFO stuff? They want to
understand
>> Mhm. [clears throat]
>> more kind of discrete truths. What's
actually going on? Cuz you hear
all these differing things that are
often mutually exclusive
>> Oh, yeah.
>> from all the whole cast of, you know,
Motley crew of characters. Is there a
source that you really trust when it
comes to UFO stuff?
>> Oh, a few.
>> [sighs]
>> Um
but they're individuals.
>> Who are they?
>> I'm not going to say that.
>> Oh, they're they're not public.
>> Mhm.
>> They're not public. They're private.
>> Oh, absolutely not. Like uh
my friend uh that was in charge of the
technology transfer. Uh
>> Mhm. you know, I'll never give his name.
>> That's amazing.
>> Yeah.
>> Who's in charge of technology transfer
from the ETs?
>> From one of the ETs.
>> Wow.
>> From one of the groups of ETs.
>> Would you ever know it with him? Was he
just like kind of a humble like under
the radar?
>> I'd go visit him and he'd say, "Len, you
got to come see my new toys." Yeah.
>> Why do you think he was so open with you
about all this stuff? Presumably he kept
it secret.
>> Oh, he basically knew who I was and my
background and all that. So.
>> He knew your high-level clearances and
your history.
>> Yeah. Mhm.
>> Fascinating. Well,
I want to know more.
>> [laughter]
>> I really
>> Ev- Everybody does.
>> Yeah.
>> Uh
>> Do you think that the public has a right
to know more? Do you think it's it's at
all destabilizing or there's like a
reason to slow it down? Like
>> They say they say when in doubt classify
and so uh
too much gets classified.
>> I agree.
>> And uh
>> Like why can't we know about the ET tech
transfer program? That sounds awesome.
>> Yeah. And um you know, all you hear is
wild rumors about it. Like who invented
Velcro, you know? And uh
uh the thing is
that um
for a lot of things you don't want the
public involved.
They just mess everything up.
Uh other things is
uh
you don't want
sometimes religion involved
or politics involved or whatever.
And for another thing, many times
it wouldn't do any good for
whether people know it or not.
Um
and you know, some of the secret stuff
that's kept secret
is wonderful. Everybody should know
about it.
There are other stuffs that I hope that
I hope nobody ever finds out about.
>> Absolutely.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah, that anybody who thinks that
nothing should be classified, I mean,
that's that's ridiculous. Like atomic
trade secrets should obviously be
classified. I mean, you know, honestly,
if you know, to the extent that
like at the higher levels of remote
viewing ability, you can do damage to
other people, I would hope that never
comes out. I mean, that's a really scary
prospect.
>> And, you know, like they said in World
War II,
loose lips sink ships.
>> There you go.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
Well, Lynn, I really appreciate this,
man. This was a lot of fun. It was very
kind of comprehensive.
>> we kind of went all over the place here,
but
>> We did.
>> I enjoyed talking to you.
>> Yeah, and I have ADD, so
and I love talking to you, too. So, no,
this was an absolute blast. You're full
of knowledge.
>> I enjoyed this. Well, I'd like to plug
my book, which is
the seventh sense,
uh
by me.
>> Get it on the Amazon.
>> Uh on Amazon, and um
the um sixth sense
is your ambiance.
>> Mhm.
>> What you feel in the room around you.
That's a real sense.
>> How you feeling sixth sense versus
seventh sense?
>> is when I can feel what's going on in
the Kremlin.
>> Wow.
>> And that's your seventh sense.
Um
but also
um
on TikTok, YouTube, and Instagram,
uh I have a growing series of short
little three-minute things that explain
all the all the aspects of controlled
remote viewing remote viewing, and all
that.
>> That's awesome. Is it Is it just
@LynnBuchanan, or what do you know what
the handle is?
>> It's um
inside remote viewing, all one word.
>> Check out
>> inside remote viewing.
>> Check out inside remote viewing.
>> Yeah.
>> TikTok, Instagram
>> Right.
>> X, maybe Twitter.
>> Oh, no, just those three.
>> Okay, check out TikTok, Instagram,
YouTube at inside
>> inside remote viewing.
>> Inside remote viewing, check it out.
>> Also, I have a course that I teach
online.
Uh
and it's the full course of the remote
viewing, controlled remote viewing
created by Ingo Swann and used by the
military for all these years for
intelligence collection, now being used
for businesses
um for police work
for institutions, for research and
development.
>> What's that website?
>> Uh it's
um c r v
i e w e r c r viewer .com.
>> crviewer.com,
check it out. And you told me off air
that some of your students are getting
amazing results akin to or better than
some of your past
>> Some of them are going better than we
ever did in the military.
>> That's amazing.
>> And um
the um
uh course is on a
uh course platform, educational platform
called Kajabi.
>> Mhm.
>> Uh you get permanent access to it when
you sign up.
I don't believe in any of this stuff of,
you know, every 6 months you pay for a
re- I don't believe in that.
Um you get permanent access and we have
webinars where we go over
people's work.
We talk about things that aren't in the
course and things like that.
>> If levels six through, I forgot what it
was, 11 are, you know, kind of
classified, but you were given access to
that. How are people in the civilian
world able to
>> No, I give um I give access to stages 1
through 7.
>> Mhm.
So, how do they get better results with
that than the higher
>> Uh they're they're getting more accurate
than we were.
>> Mhm.
>> It's amazing. Uh
>> But, you were saying that, you know,
some of the more
you know, kind of uh
spooky stuff goes on at level 7 through
>> Uh higher level 8 through 18.
>> Yeah.
>> Uh
and that's not taught to the public.
>> Okay.
But, pure on pure accuracy, all you need
is 1 through
7, and you can get more accurate than
people who know 1 through 18.
>> But, not the same kind of information.
>> Got it. Interesting.
>> Okay.
>> Cool.
>> Yeah.
>> Just wanted to clarify there.
>> Yeah.
>> Leave no stone unturned.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. [laughter]
Thanks, Lynn. Well, I appreciate this.
Um this was awesome. I really appreciate
all you may have an amazing history, and
>> honor being invited. Thank you very
much.
>> Well, it's an honor to have you. I'm
just uh you know, a measly interviewer.
>> I'm [laughter]
glad to finally meet you, too.
>> Well, likewise, man. No, this is a full
circle moment. I You were really
going to be, and I'm glad because I I
didn't know much at the time, but you
were going to be the first American
Alchemist. And now you're I know so much
more, and so we can have a better
conversation. But, this is a full circle
moment. It's very cool.
>> Thank you very much.
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