Have you seen female looks maxing?
>> Oh my gosh, we're just jumping right
into it, aren't we? I have been under
the impression that looks maxing was
largely a male endeavor over the past
several months, but I've seen male Looks
maxers saying women should or should not
get into this. So maybe a little bit. I
didn't realize that there is a there are
some deep deep depths that you can go to
when it comes to lux m because kind of
we understand in one form or another
that women have always been luxing,
right? But this takes it to a bit of a
different level.
>> All right, let's see it.
>> What is female looks maxing? If you
thought this trend was just a part of
the manosphere, think again. On Reddit,
Discord, and other forum platforms,
there are threads where women trade
advice on how to hard max your way to
becoming a Stacy, which is the highest
tier of attractiveness. It all starts
with the upload of a selfie, and an
invite forum strangers to firstly rate
your appearance and then comment on how
you could optimize your looks. Tips that
follow range from corset maxing,
shrinking your rib cage through binding,
to injecting unlicensed weight loss
drugs, to peanut maxing, literally
chewing peanuts to sculpt a sharper,
wider jaw. It also covers breast size.
There's a $2,499
Eve bra, for example, worn overnight for
weeks to gain half a cup size. The
target audience, teenagers. A
17-year-old told her skull has serious
flaws. Or a 14-year-old encouraged to
get a rhinoplasty. Girls as young as 13
upload pictures only to be torn apart.
Allora Zea is one of the most prominent
public female looks maxes. This year,
Zea launched a $79 a month program,
promising drastic change in 90 days,
from exercise to hard maxing measures,
including cosmetic procedures. To you or
I, this all might feel like unrealistic
goals to get an enhanced Instagram face.
But to some youngsters, it's seen as
something achievable with the right
surgeries, starvation, and effort.
>> What do you think about that?
>> I find it really sad to be honest with
you. It's the same way I feel about
Looks Maxing for men. Look, I think
there's an important discussion we
should be having as a society when it
comes to beauty standards that we've
really lost over the past decade or so.
And you've seen complete eraser of any
concept between the difference of ugly
versus beautiful. Not just in people's
physical appearance, but you've seen
this with architecture. You've seen this
with fashion. You've seen this with art,
where ugly is now celebrated as normal
or even highlighted as beautiful. But
obviously, this can go to a really
sinister place very very quickly. There
was a a news article that went super
viral the last couple days of Demi Moore
on the red carpet at the Con Film
Festival and she's throwing her arms up
and she truly looks skeletal. I mean
very very unhealthy on death's doorstep
level skinny and the New York Post
shared these photos with the headline on
X Demi Moore shows off her toned arms on
the red carpet uh at the con film
festival that is just as damaging as
this normalization of morbid obesity
that I think we've seen targeting young
women for so long and I think this is
just part of that same that same agenda.
Does it feel different seeing female Lux
maxing versus male Lux maxing? Because
again, we know for a long time that
women beautify, self beautifification,
more, cosmetic surgery more, makeup
more, etc.
>> This does feel I it gives me different
vibes. It doesn't feel like
>> that when I see it,
>> maybe it's just the kind of classic male
desire to protect, especially teenage
girls. And obviously teenage boys need
protection, too, but there's an
additional level of like gut punching
here. you going, "Ah, you shouldn't be
you shouldn't be being abused by other
older girls online into you changing
your appearance." And I think every guy
every guy knows at 15 he wanted bigger
arms.
>> Yeah.
>> But a girl who's complaining about the
size of her boobs
>> something you virtually have no control
over in a realistic sense, right?
>> It feels but I mean guys are talking
about height would be the equivalent for
that. I don't know. It's just there a
>> which still feels more like a more
fringe conversation I think for guys
like clavvicular has gained a lot of
international attention lately on social
media and on the internet but guys I
think generally look at the concept of
male looks maxing as this weird fringe
corner of the internet or something
entertaining to watch not as a blueprint
for their own life.
>> We both had our versions of it right we
the guys had going to the gym and trying
to get a good haircut and grow a beard
and whatever. Uh it's just that girls to
stuck it further already. And I think
now that you're seeing these I mean if
they start bone smashing Jesus Christ.
>> Yeah. You know this feels to me just to
be a larger part of the exact same
cultural issue we're seeing across
everything targeting young girls today.
And it goes handin-hand with the attack
that we've seen for masculinity in the
West all across the last several decades
really throughout my lifetime where
anything remotely labeled masculine was
considered toxic and needed to get rid
of from society. We had to attack it
with everything we had from our culture
because that was an outdated antiquated
part of how people used to interact and
that worked for a long time. But men
have this natural instinct to fight back
and to protect. So it wasn't able to
truly be eradicated masculinity from
society. And that gave birth to voices
like Jordan Peterson and you and Charlie
Kirk and so many others letting young
men know it's okay to be a young man.
And actually masculinity is deeply
important for the survival of our
society. After you saw that really take
place successfully, this attack on
masculinity, then you saw the attack on
womanhood and femininity and like this
concept of looks maxing for men versus
women. It is far more sinister than it
ever was for masculinity. And I don't
think people realize how deep it is
willing to go, not just in attacking
womanhood, but in desperately trying to
erase it from society entirely. I think
my prediction for
10 years time, maybe sooner, but
realistically 10 years time is that the
crisis of femininity will make the
crisis of masculinity look like a
vaccine.
>> I 100% agree with you and I don't think
people even understand how bad it's
gotten today in 2026. Like this is not
some deep rabbit hole dark web
conspiracy theory. This is a society
that we are living in today that is
encouraging women my age in our late 20s
and going into our early 30s to
outsource everything that is unique and
beautiful about womanhood to something
else because it's somehow beneath you,
right? Outsource intimacy away from the
idea of a spouse and something you can
build over time towards casual hookups
with as many people as possible.
Outsource your emotional fulfillment uh
to a job and to pleasing a CEO and
constantly trying to climb a corporate
ladder instead of building a life with
someone through a marriage. Heck,
outsource pregnancy to a surrogate
because it's beneath you and it's
somehow undignified for you to bring
life into the world or don't do it at
all. And they're actually now even
building pregnancy robots in China where
theoretically an AI humanade robot yeah
for the price of $14,000 will grow and
birth your baby for you so that you
don't have to do it. That's horrifying
obviously, but that attack gets really
scary when you start looking at teenage
girls. similar to this particular
conversation. Now, for teenage girls,
everything that is supposedly pro-women
is actually just telling the next
generation of girls, you don't have to
be a girl at all. We're going to help
you escape being a girl in any way
humanly possible by gender transition as
early as we possibly can. And Planned
Parenthood, shockingly, is now the
number two provider of cross- sex
hormones and puberty blockers for
adolescence in America with no history
of gender dysphoria. the stats around
ROGD and like trans transitions for
youth that seem to be pulled back quite
a lot. I'd seen a lot of data that
seemed like we sort of peaked whatever
2021 and now it's significantly back
down. Is that right? Have you seen this?
>> The trends are looking that way. I think
it's all very recent in the last couple
of years. So certainly we're going to
have to see a few more years of data to
see if that sticks. But a lot of that I
think just has to do with changing
culture for our generation. And we're so
tired of the constant negativity, the
blackpilling, the removal of meaning and
objective truth from society. And we
started to ask really hard questions as
young people in this country. Who am I?
What am I doing here? What's the meaning
of all of this? And it's leading to
quite the cultural revolution.
>> I'd be super pissed if I was a trans
person. I would be super pissed at all
of these like very negative news stories
about me and the people that I hang
around with that have then been co-opted
by like people that decided to wear it
as basically a fashion. And what that
means is no one likes this. The people
who are part of that community don't
like it. The people who aren't a part of
the community are worried about it. The
only people that like it are this very
sort of small microcosm in the middle
and then the white knights that want to
come down from above and help and save
and so on and so forth. Yeah. I don't
know. I just it makes me feel that that
period of history makes me feel really
icky. I would love to have done a split
test cuz everybody says the reason that
this thing didn't happen is because all
of the stories and there was so much
push back and people called it out and
etc etc. I remember uh during COVID a
lot of people were talking about global
health passports. Uh and there was this
famous photo of a British army guy
walking down a London street and it got
shared hundreds of thousands of times on
Facebook as the army is sending people
into London to hold you in your house at
gunpoint. And this image got shared
around, you know, when you've seen on
WhatsApp and it says forwarded many
times. You ever seen that? Like super
duper viral. And I remember so many
people were adamant that this was going
to happen and then it didn't happen.
>> And I was like, is anyone that decided
to post about this going to [ __ ] post
a retraction? Like any of you going to
say, and the same thing went for the
global health passports. But it does
become unfalsifiable sometimes with that
because you go, "Well, the reason that
they didn't do it, the reason that they
didn't bring it in is because we but
they knew that we know and then we push
back and so and so and okay, I would
love to rerun
>> 2018 2017 to 2025 again and not have the
cultural voices pushing back against it
to see what happened, to see how much of
an impact, whether it was just a wave
that was going to come and then calm
or whether or not it actually was was uh
impacted by
>> we're so seeing that right now it's
especially in political circles of
people insisting to their dying breath
no one wanted to transition children
that was never happening no one was
giving trans surgeries or trans
treatment or hormones to people under 18
years old what are you possibly talking
about meanwhile entire countries with
national health systems like the UK
being among the first ones to do it have
now come forward and said oops yeah we
went too far sorry we didn't mean to do
that we're going to go back in the other
direction openly admitting yeah we were
doing that the whole time actually. So
there is this odd conversation I think
related to the conspiracy aspect of
wondering is stuff like this really
happening and asking all the right
questions uh and then a few years later
seeing how it all ends up shaking out
that I think we're we're watching really
repeated in different areas of society
right now
>> doesn't really matter about the amount
of transitions that are going on when
you compare that to how many people are
on SSRIs.
>> Yeah.
>> What's happening with the state of SSRIs
at the moment? I just did a really big
deep dive into that the last couple of
days and it has been shocking what I
knew didn't even know remotely wasn't
even familiar with but so many young
people are dealing with today. Most
people estimate that about 12% of
American adults of all ages are on some
form of some form of anti-depressant in
American culture today in the last year.
And that goes up significantly when you
start looking at the range of 18 to 24
years old. It's almost 17% of that age
range in America currently prescribed
anti-depressants. I was just at an event
the other day at Health and Human
Services about something unrelated about
moms, but was approached by a young
woman in the audience who came running
up to me after the event saying, "Oh my
gosh, I would love to tell you my story.
My name's Danielle." And Danielle had
been prescribed SSRIs like many people
in my generation at 7 years old for some
form of depressive symptoms and her
doctors insisted, "You need this
medication or you're going to die."
Ultimately telling her parents, you need
this medication or she's going to die.
Which is the exact same language that we
have often seen with child gender
transition. That's that question. Would
you rather have a dead daughter or a
living son? So, they put her on SSRIs
when she was seven and then she took
them for about 15 years before finally
deciding to quit. But her doctors never
warned her what the process of
withdrawal was going to look like when
she did eventually decide to stop taking
them. And now she has permanent brain
damage like most young women who have
impacted been impacted by SSRIs. She's
dealing with sexual dysfunction and
chemical asexuality. Many people are
calling these drugs chemical castrating
drugs the same way that we've looked at
uh puberty blockers and cross- sex
hormones. So, you're watching a lot of
the same downstream effects as the trans
movement with overprescription of SSRI,
but everyone's attacking our Health and
Human Services Secretary Bobby Kennedy
for saying there's something really
sinister and wrong here. I saw this
video of a a young woman talking about
PSSD, post SSRI
sexual dysfunction disorder. And uh it
was like it's it's really uncomfortable.
Can we pull that up, Jared? Can we play
that? It's uh Yeah, here it is.
>> Yeah. So, I'm living with a condition
called postsri sexual dysfunction.
Sexual dysfunction is one of the most
common and reliable side effects of
SSRIs. In fact, 50 to 70% of all
patients taking these will have sexual
side effects. What patients are not
warned about is that these side effects
can be permanent long after you stop the
last drug dose. Um, and PSSD is not just
low libido. It is a full nervous system
injury in which you lose total sexual
function neurologically through
essentially nervous system damage. So,
the hallmark symptom of PSSD is genital
numbness. Yes. Like complete loss of
sensation in your genitals. For me, I
clearly hate to talk about this, but my
clitoris is completely numb, as if it's
the back of my elbow. I have no
sensation internally. I'm 23 years old.
Um, sufferers also lose the ability to
orgasm permanently, like for the rest of
their lives, and their libido entirely,
which for me and what a lot of other
people experience is like a sudden onset
like chemical asexuality that just never
goes away.
>> I actually met Lauren a few weeks ago,
funny enough. That beautiful young
woman. Yeah, she's extraordinary and one
of the nicest people I've ever met. And
I would have had no idea that she was
dealing with this on a daily basis until
I saw her testimony a few weeks later.
And it just makes me wonder how many
young women I interact with and young
men too on a day-to-day basis that this
has become their everyday normal. And
for whatever reason, you don't see any
coverage about that in the mainstream
media at all really.
>> Why do you think that is?
>> I don't know. I I I think it's easy to
wish away all of the crazy motives of
the mainstream media for every topic
right now that's pretty controversial.
But when I was studying SSRIs the last
few weeks looking to understand why
everyone was so angry at Bobby Kennedy,
I only saw attack headlines and articles
against him for somehow being
anti-science or not following the expert
advice of all of the people who work for
him at our Department of Health and
Human Services that the science is
settled. These things are so
unbelievably safe. We've heard that
terminology before on so many other
subjects in our country. And having
studied science for many years myself,
the biggest red flag in the world is
when someone tells you that science is
settled because science is never
settled. It is a constant process of
discovery. But I saw C-SPAN cover that
obviously for their testimony. That was
it. People on X posted about it. Social
media uh content creators posted about
it. The mainstream media refuses to
touch it with a 10-ft pole.
>> Is that empathy? Is that trying to not
other people that are on it. Is it money
from companies that make SSRI
medication?
>> I'm sure that's a huge aspect of it and
that certainly is a concern in politics.
Um, I got my master's degree in
basically science policy. It's a very
long name so I won't bore you with it.
But one of the biggest shocking things I
learned in my foray into living in
Washington DC, this was 2019 going into
2020, was learning from people who ran
the FDA and the CDC and the WHO's legal
office about all things public health.
And one of the major concerns that most
people have right now in this era of
Maha is that unlike the
militaryindustrial complex that prevents
generals from the military going to work
for Loheed Martin 5 minutes later, you
don't have those same protections for
big food and big pharma. So there's
basically just a constant revolving door
in Washington DC with executives at
companies like Fizer then going to work
for the FDA and vice versa 100% of the
time. So that certainly is a concern.
>> Got slapped with that, right? It was
like, "Will you say that you'll never go
and work somewhere else before?" Was
that not part of the interrogation?
>> I think that question was in uh Pete
Hegset's hearings if I remember
correctly. So, a little bit of a
different conversation, but it's an
interesting one for sure. And there
certainly is massive influence from
pharmaceutical companies in the media,
in medical education. Pharmaceutical
companies pay for a lot of med schools,
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>> Yeah.
>> What do you think? You know, I think
it's so frustrating for us to have this
conversation between young men and women
young women right now and you're
watching a lot of interex animosity
start to build because it feels like the
other side isn't acknowledging what
you're going through appropriately.
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young men have been dealing with a
substantial mental health crisis unlike
anything the world has ever seen
throughout my lifetime. And that has
peaked uh in the last few years
especially. But I think we're also
starting to see kind of the other side
of that now. When you're watching a
generation of young men really redefine
what our cultural values are, what
strength means, retaking masculinity and
ownership over your life. At the same
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statistics start to suggest that for the
first time in modern history, it is
young women struggling with things like
suicide and substance abuse, anxiety,
and depression at a higher rate than
young men are. I have no doubt that that
probably is fueled by massive
pharmaceutical intervention in our
society right now. But it's also just
cultural. I mean, like I said, that
attack on femininity seems so much
darker and so much more sinister than it
ever was to point at a young boy and
say, "Men are evil." Like, that's bad
objectively. It was horrible. We fought
against it appropriately for so many
years, especially in the last decade.
But what they're telling young women is
the idea of existing as a woman is
unacceptable for society. So now we are
going to overprescribe and overmedicate
you to turn you into a boy because there
is no value for you whatsoever as a
young woman. And we need young men to
help us fight back against that. I think
there's a huge role for masculine
protective instincts here with our
generation to make sure that these lies
don't continue to become truth every
day.
>> Well, is it not?
>> The
tip of the spear of culture is euphoria.
>> Yeah.
>> And this Sydney Sweeney clip
>> which is going super viral at the
moment. It plays precisely into there
are two sides typically that don't talk
to each other very well and one of them
seems to think that you should degrade
>> Mhm.
>> traditional roles and another one of
them thinks that that's ridiculous and
silly. Uh we got to play this Jared.
It's so funny.
>> Like if a man today were to say that he
wants a girlfriend that can cook or
clean, he might as well be screaming the
n-word.
>> Okay.
>> Well, you sound like a Democrat.
I'm not [ __ ]
>> Like if we man tonight where
>> Yeah,
>> I don't watch Euphoria. I've had no
interest in the show, but I have seen
that clip many times over the past
couple of days and it does make me
chuckle a little bit that they now have
her cosplaying as this like
>> only fans creator turned podcaster. I
don't I don't know where they're going
with this as not a watcher of the show.
But you're right. I think it is
interesting. We've locked the ability to
have a nuanced conversation about pretty
much anything because you just
immediately other everyone and that has
become so concerning in the past year or
so especially.
>> Sydney Sweeney, the savior you didn't
know you needed. Apparently in her in
the final episode she sucked her own
toes, completely removed her top and did
ASMR with her breasts and genitals.
>> Lovely.
>> Yeah, it is funny. It is kind of it's
interesting with Euphoria because they
did a time jump because everyone was
super young and then there was tons of
push back because it was so young that
it was way too edgy with sex and drugs.
So like we're jumping forward 5 years
into the future and that's going to kind
of stop us from having the these people
are too young to be doing what they're
doing.
>> I didn't even know that happened. That's
fascinating.
>> I mean again I'm not watching. I'm only
hearing this secondhand. This could be
fake news, but uh it is it does feel
like what would we do if we needed to
get people to watch this? Well, we'd get
them to do the thing that would be the
most ridiculous thing that's available.
>> Yeah.
>> And then apparently Only Fans models are
angry that they're being misrepresented
>> by Sydney Sweeney. There's a variety
article basically saying this sort of uh
sets an unrealistic expectation for us.
were already marginalized enough as it
is as Only Fans models and now this is
making us
>> are they in our culture today? Are Only
Fans models actually marginalized?
Because I think it's become a pretty
normal part of our culture today to my
much chagrin. I don't appreciate that in
our modern culture at all. I mean,
you're watching political conversations
around this with the idea of something
like a sin tax or whatever coming out of
Florida and that is considered the most
atrocious thing you could possibly say
because we live in such a pornified
culture. I don't think Only Fans is
ostracized. No, you know what is
ostracized actually is a young woman
like Nala Ray who was one of the top
performing Only Fans content creators on
the platform. She was making millions
upon millions of dollars a year. A
couple of years ago, decided she didn't
want to do that with her life anymore
and was baptized as a Christian in the
church, got married to her now husband.
They are still married and now has
created this incredible conversation
about what it's like to leave the porn
porn uh porn industry in order to pursue
something else. And she's not the only
one. There's a lot of more traditional
like actual adult film actors that have
escaped the porn industry that come to
mind talking about this as well. over
the term of escape to the point.
It's crazy and there is a lot of
trafficking and non-consensual things
happening in the industry. So that's an
interesting thing to talk about. But to
watch how society reacts to that
mentality switch. That is what is
ostracized in culture today is
abandoning a successful career as an
Only Fans creator to pursue a
relationship with God, not making
millions of dollars every single month
doing whatever Sydney Sweeney was doing
on Euphoria. friend of mine was talking
to an editor of a newspaper about a
story that was a a woman who had family
and decided to pivot and start doing
adult content through On Fans and that
that was seen as in some ways liberating
and allowing her to earn money and give
her freedom etc. And he asked, "Well,
would you ever do the opposite? Would
you ever write a story about that?" He
said, "Oh, no. We couldn't we couldn't
ever publish anything like that."
>> About leaving Only Fans to be a mom.
>> Exactly. Yeah.
>> Strange. I look I
I like the idea of not needing to
equivocate everything. Well, you said X,
therefore we're allowed to say X as
well, but in the opposite direction. But
it does feel like it does feel like the
mainstream media or the legacy media are
just so [ __ ] far behind. We were
talking before we got started. You were
saying that in Washington DC there's a
big [ __ ] screen in everyone's office
>> and it's just playing cable news.
>> Constant loop of every cable station 24
hours a day so they know everything
that's going on. Even though they're all
talking about the same thing, you
couldn't possibly know everything that's
going on if you're just watching CNN,
MSNBC, and Fox.
>> Seems like you've rejected most modern
advice on marriage and careers,
>> I would say. So maybe not quite as
radically as most people attempt to
paint me as online, which is funny. I
often get criticized that I'm actually
not tad enough, mostly from people on
sufficiently.
>> Insufficiently trad
because I work because I have a career
and I own my own business and I travel a
lot and give speeches. I see.
>> Yeah, there's a lot of us in that camp
today. But I think there's been a really
fascinating cultural conversation in the
last 6 months around motherhood in a
powerful and unique way that I've never
seen in my lifetime. Allowing young
women to kind of peel back the curtain
and see that bias from the mainstream
media as what it is to start asking the
right questions of do I really want to
live alone and lonely and isolated and
miserable or just hooking up with casual
hookups for the rest of my life and
making my entire identity the cubicle
that I sit in. I don't know. I don't
know if I want that to be the case. And
uh I think it's really poetic that there
are so many young uh female Christian
creators on social media documenting our
journey of motherhood together. I have a
beautiful group chat every day that I
text in uh with Riley Gaines and Brett
Cooper and we share baby pictures every
single day and we give people advice at
3 in the morning when somebody's up with
a screaming baby. Uh and I hope that
that continues to to carry out for the
rest of our generation too.
>> Have you seen uh ROF, rapid onset baby
fever? No, but I love this. The friend
who doesn't want kids holding a baby for
the first time. I think I think I have
seen that.
>> An Australian girl who uh said that she
never wanted to have kids and then
someone just basically jumped. Oh, here
it is.
>> Yes, I have seen this. This is so good.
>> A friend who doesn't want kids holds a
baby for the first time.
>> I don't know why I'm crying. I'm going
to get my tears on the baby.
You look beautiful.
>> My color is gone.
>> Look at her. What's your neck?
>> Why is it?
>> Oh my god. I need to have a kid.
>> I need to have a
>> rapid onset baby fever.
>> Rapid onset baby fever. You need to make
merch for that. I will rock it
everywhere. There's something to be said
about that, though. My husband and I do
a really intentional effort of bringing
our baby everywhere we possibly can in
Washington DC cuz there's just not a lot
of babies in DC, especially in the
political world. And it's funny to see
people's reactions. Of course, there's a
lot of eye rolls of the like, gh, this
lady was the one who brought her baby.
Really? More often than not, though,
upwards of like 90% of the time, police
officers, members of the National Guard,
people working on the metro, restaurant
servers, everyone comes running over to
say, "Oh my gosh, a baby. A beautiful
baby. Can I look at your baby? Your
baby's so sweet." And I really do think
we have an intentional lack of baby
fever in our culture today by telling
young moms, "Do not bring your baby in
public. Babies do not belong in public."
So, you're watching so many young women
never have that moment because they
never get to hold a baby or be asked to
babysit for their friends or even just
see one on the train on the way home
from work.
>> Well, we know that behavior is
mimemetic. That was why when it came to
girls that were transitioning cuz it was
way more F tom than M tof. So, that
tells you a lot.
>> Significantly more
>> uh 4:1 5:1. And it wasn't evenly
distributed across the US. It was three
girls who all sit together in the same
maths class
>> clusters. Uh okay. Well, why? Well,
because people model their behavior off
the people that are around them. And if
you've got no one with a baby around
you, then I mean, if your if your friend
gets divorced, the likelihood that you
get divorced goes up
>> significantly
>> by a good amount.
>> Mhm.
>> Uh so the same thing has to be true. I
there has to be data that says if your
friend gets pregnant, the likelihood of
you deciding to have a family goes up.
or if your friend has a baby, the
likelihood of you, but if there's fewer
babies around because fewer people are
having babies and also because there is
this sort of implicit ah we're all
adults in the room. We need to we're
serious people. Dinner supposed
>> to be more mature than bringing your
baby.
>> Bringing a baby like get a get a nanny,
get a babysitter. Like that's what
you're supposed to do. You don't want to
ruin the fun time for everybody else.
And uh I do wonder how much of it is
this sort of mimetic spiral going down
where fewer people see it, therefore
fewer people have it, therefore fewer
people get exposed to it.
>> It's such an interesting concept. I've
never thought to research that from the
positive angle of if you're seeing young
women have babies. Are you going to want
to have a baby?
>> Babies have to happen in clusters.
>> Oh, totally. I like But I like the
cluster idea. Abigail Shrier writes
about clusters really powerfully related
to gender transition in her book
Irreversible damage. And she studies the
data of this from the last 10 years or
so uh comparing it to mimicking eating
disorder clusters and suicide clusters
for teenage girls in like the late 1990s
into the early 2000s that you were much
more likely to suffer from anorexia or
bulimia if all of your friends were
suffering from it in high school. And
the same thing when suicide became very
normalized among teenagers in the early
2000s. If you one person in your friend
group committed suicide, you were very
very likely to do the same in the next
few months. So maybe there's a way to
flip that on the positive. And if your
friends are all getting married and your
friends are all having babies, that
makes you start to question whether you
want that in your life, too. I think
that's powerful.
>> I suppose the problem is that online
everybody's algorithms are so
individualized. We might be friends in
real life and you might influence my
behavior in real life, but given that
I'm going to spend 4 hours a day, 6
hours a day, 8 hours a day as a teenage
girl on the internet,
>> that feed might be similar. Depends on
how many DMs we're sharing back and
forth. But still, it's going to be
different for me. What I see is going to
be different to what you see. Which
means that there is this separation. the
which in some ways could be good apart
from the fact that I don't think most
content on the internet is positive for
people's mental or physical health.
>> I would agree with that more often than
>> like it's it's almost what you need is
an even stronger friend group to try and
counteract
>> whatever you're seeing online.
>> Well, what do they say? You are the
conglomeration of the five people you
spend the most time with, right? You
think
>> you are the conglomeration of the five
podcasts you listen to most
>> and Chris Williamson Modern Wisdom.
That's why British obviously
>> British accents are spreading on a daily
basis. I love that. No one's talking
about the British accent. A roid onset
British accent. Roba. That's it.
>> British accent fever.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Robath. Uh why do you
think it is that like elite culture is
sort of increasingly treating family
life as intellectually unserious?
>> Well, there's an interesting angle to
take with this and I think there are
infinite different reasons feeding into
the same conclusion and that conclusion
is devastating. We currently have the
lowest marriage rate ever recorded in
American history since we began
recording those rates in the 1860s. And
we recently just hit a a new low
fertility rate at 1.6 children per
women. Um, obvious math would tell you
that the replacement rate for any
population is 2.1 children per woman. So
really what you're watching is not an
overpopulation crisis as is often
presented in the mainstream media, but a
dire underpopulation crisis that
threatens the existence of humanity
because this isn't just America. This is
2third of the world's population that is
currently existing below replacement
rate because of a lot of this propaganda
that is so anti-family. I think a lot of
this came decades and decades and
decades ago into the zeitgeist of
American culture before anyone really
took it seriously. And that's why we
need to start paying attention now as we
fight on offense for the family for the
next several generations. I had no idea
that this happened, but recently
discovered that the American Communist
Party, yes, an actual political party in
the 1960s, went to the United States of
uh the United States House of
Representatives, and on the floor of
Congress, read into the official
congressional record their then goals to
destroy America. And I actually want to
get these perfect for you because I want
to read them verbatim. I think they're
fascinating.
>> Sounds like the [ __ ] start of a
movie.
>> It is. And no one knows that this
happened in our own country. Most of
them are related to normalizing the USSR
and acceptance of Soviet style.
>> That was that was a very early and quick
failure.
>> Well, of course, and they do that
through a variety of ways through taking
over the media and taking over college
campuses, fmenting student riots, all of
those things to normalize socialism. But
these are the communist goals, the 45
goals from the Communist Party in 1963
read into the congressional record of
the United States. When you start
reading these, it actually feels like
you are reading a screenplay for the
current culture that we're living in.
And that's scary to people because I
think it's a wakeup call for those older
than us that they failed in acting
appropriately against this and
safeguarding our culture. But listen to
this. These are good. I mentioned that
they took over college campuses and the
press. Listen to these. Continue
discrediting American culture by
degrading all forms of artistic
expression. One American communist cell
was told to eliminate all good sculpture
from parks and buildings and to
substitute shapeless, awkward, and
meaningless forms. Eliminate all laws
governing obscenity by calling them
censorship and a violation of free
speech and free press. Break down
cultural standards of morality by
promoting pornography and obscenity in
books, magazines, motion pictures,
radio, TV. Present homosexuality,
degeneracy, and promiscuity as normal,
natural, healthy. Infiltrate the church
to replace revealed religion with social
religion. and discredit the Bible,
emphasizing the need for intellectual
maturity that doesn't need a religious
crutch. I mean, it is scary stuff. The
culture we're living in today is a
result of these goals. But specifically,
their attack on the family is at the
end. And I don't think that's a
coincidence because they're looking at
the family as the last line that they
have to fight against in order for
complete societal control. If you look
through any successful society in human
history, empires rise and fall with the
strength of the family. It is the
foundation for a moral thriving society.
But here was what the Communist Party
wanted to do 60 years ago and it begs
the question whether they succeeded.
Discredit the family as an institution.
Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
Emphasize the need to raise children
away from the negative influences of
their parents. Attribute prejudices,
mental blocks, and the retarding of
children to the suppressive influence of
parents.
That is where we arrived here because
there were sinister people at play. Not
just a a particular political party, the
American Communist Party, but those they
were impacting the school system,
Hollywood, American politics at large,
the larger conversation surrounding
media all over Western civilization that
shaped the political landscape for the
last 60 years to arrive here where it is
beneath you as a young woman to give
birth because that's so degrading and
disgusting and why would you want to put
your body through that? it is beneath
you as a young man or young woman
presented from both sides to get married
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and a trap and it's going to take all of
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hard things, marriage, children, family,
why do you think modern culture frames
those as limitations rather than
adventures?
>> Oh, I love the premise of that question.
The human nature default, I think, is to
avoid the difficult and to avoid the
challenging. And it always has been.
That's why the greatest epics and the
greatest stories have always been about
overcoming something extraordinary.
Whether that was stories from ancient
Greece or throughout the Roman Empire
to, you know, the Middle Ages and the
Renaissance all the way through our
favorite movies that we love to watch
today, everything is about overcoming
your personal limitations to do
something for the greater good or to do
something that serves other people. And
if I've learned anything in this first
two years of marriage and now first year
of raising my beautiful daughter who
just turned one, I have found the
greatest moments of my life have always
been when I have laid my life down for
my husband or for my daughter. And of
course, that doesn't mean literally
dying for them. Although it might in
some circumstances, but in getting out
of bed at three in the morning after I
haven't slept for nine months straight
and can't possibly make it another
sleepless night to make sure that my
daughter's comforted and she knows that
I'm there, or sacrificing one of my
personal obligations of going to hang
out with my friends to instead
prioritize time with my spouse. I feel a
greater sense of purpose and fulfillment
and meaning in my life than I ever felt
when I was just doing the easy thing,
kicking my feet up and binge watching
Netflix on a Friday night instead.
>> What do you think people who don't agree
with that worldview think when they hear
you say it? Because you're somebody
who's got how many degrees?
>> I'm working on my third currently.
>> Working on your third degree. Uh
highpowered career both before, during,
and after. um like prototypical lean-in
girl boss like that that is the dream
right for modern independent women
socioeconomically successful able to do
the thing uh competent hard charging
respected
>> what do you think do you think that they
think that you're lying
>> no I don't think they think that you got
some odd makeup that your your nature is
in some way strange and that if we were
to port that across or that It's a
luxury position that you're in that
other women can't access that.
>> I think that's often the narrative that
I see on social media, which obviously
could not be further from the truth. I
have worked my butt off throughout the
last decade or so since leaving high
school to build the career that I have,
which is so different than anything I
ever dreamed that I would do. I wanted
to be a physician. Actually, that was my
end all beall goal in life. I wanted to
be a surgeon and got my first two
degrees in sciences because of that. Uh
but God obviously pulled my life in a
very different direction and I'm glad
that I listened. Um, I think the problem
that most young women have with seeing
this as an end result on the road map or
even the journey that they want to go on
on the road map is that they have been
systematically told by every single
pillar of American cultural
institutions, the education system,
Hollywood, the mainstream media,
politics, even the church in many ways
that they are somehow not equipped. They
are not strong enough. They are not
smart enough. They are not capable
enough to quote unquote have it all.
>> And I think that that's really sad. It
is the bigotry of low expectations for
women and actually frankly is
misogynistic against women when women
are told that because they tell you if
you find yourself pregnant in college,
you won't be able to graduate. Kill your
baby actually because that's the only
way that you'll ever be able to be
successful. They'll tell you if you're
thinking about getting married to
someone, you'll never have a fulfilling
career because his career will always
come before yours and there is no such
thing as real sacrifice and compromise
in a marriage. It's a patriarchal
institution. So, you better never
embrace that type of emotional
fulfillment for your life. If you're
pregnant and working a high-powered job,
they'll tell you, "Eh, okay, but you're
gonna have to take some time off or be a
lot more flexible." And frankly, we
would rather as a Fortune 500 company
just pay for you to go out of state and
stay in a luxury hotel for the weekend
and pay for your abortion rather than
offer better maternity leave. And I
think that we have built this culture
that calls itself feminist and calls
itself pro-women when actually we are
constantly telling women, "You're too
weak, you're too stupid, you are too
illquipped to have a family." and this
other vocation that you are pursuing.
And that is obviously not true. It is
difficult. It's challenging. It's hard.
It requires immense sacrifice in so many
different ways. And you probably aren't
going to be able to binge watch Netflix
every night or go out with your
girlfriends every single weekend. But it
is beautiful and empowering and
fulfilling unlike anything else the
world has to offer you.
>> It is interesting how some of the most
misogynistic ideas have come from people
that say that they're pro women. It's
wild. It's it blows my mind to make it
clear. I don't think that anybody, man
or woman, should have children that they
don't want to have or get married if
they don't want to. Like, if you don't
want that, I think it's I actively think
it's a great idea for you to not have
kids if you don't want kids. Actively
do. I think the position that everybody
that I respect is in at the moment is
the current culture is convincing people
who
haven't realized that they do want that
that they don't
>> or that even if they do want it somehow
they're not able to achieve it for
whatever reason. I took a lot of heat in
the last couple of weeks for having this
very conversation because I was speaking
on a panel at CPAC, which is one of the
largest conservative political
conferences that happens in the country
every year. And honestly, it was like a
30-minute conversation with a bunch of
other people. I wasn't there to deliver
my own personal message to our
generation or anything, but the last
question that I was asked was, "Do you
have a message for everyone sitting in
the audience about how we can go on
offense to fight for our country and for
our culture?" And mostly it was people
my parents and my grandparents age. And
uh I looked out at the audience and I
said, "Tell your children, meaning your
adult children, that they should have
the courage to fall in love and get
married and have children, more children
than they think that they're ready for
and more than they think that they can
afford."
>> And I never thought anything of it. I
got off stage. That was just one of many
events that I had going on that week.
>> You went on the View had you days later,
I got a text from a reporter at Fox News
asking me if I had a comment on what the
women of the View had to say about
Isabelle Brown. And I'm thinking, The
View, I haven't seen a clip from The
View in like six years, but sure, let's
pull it up. And lo and behold, they had
dedicated an entire 8-minute segment of
the show to me, which I was like,
"Sorry, what? I don't even know what I
did in the last week." Uh, and they
honed in on that one answer to that one
question as such a dangerous message for
young women today. They called it
reckless, I think, is the word that they
used over and over again. basically
saying if you are telling women actually
not even basically Whoopy Goldberg ended
the segment saying this verbatim
Isabelle if you are telling women to
have as many children as they want to I
am going to send you back to the past in
other words it's all about choices until
the choice is that you do want to have
children and you want this beautiful
journey for yourself that is no longer
welcome in society for feminists in 2026
and isn't that profoundly sad I mean
every woman but one of them sitting
around that table at the view has
children of
>> I was going to say how many kids has
Whoopy gone
>> I think multiple to my knowledge she has
at least one I know she has a daughter
adult daughter now and grandchildren but
it's good enough for these people who
sit around in a gazillion dollar TV
studio in New York City telling you what
you should think about everything but
the minute you present something
remotely a little bit different than
what every single cultural institution
is telling you kids bad husband evil
womanhood hear me roar rah
then you are the enemy basically and
it's not about you it was that segment
It was not about me, despite the fact
that they used my name a million times
and said all kinds of horrible things
about my family. It was about this idea
that our generation is looking around at
the misery and emptiness and cultural
meaninglessness that we are living
through right now in this time of moral
relativism and saying, "I don't want
that. I want something timeless and
sturdy and a foundation I can actually
build upon."
>> Feels chaotic,
>> which is my family and and faith.
>> It feels chaotic and it feels very
whiplashy. No one has any idea where
they're supposed to stand. And uh I had
uh this guy called Steven J. Shaw. He's
one of the best demographers in the
world and we did a big birth rate debate
roundt episode and he said that on
current trends 40% of teenage girls 40%
of 15year-old girls will never become
mothers.
>> Yep.
>> 40% of teenage girls will never become
mothers that are 15 years old. And like
again,
no woman or man who doesn't want to have
kids should have kids. If you do not
want to have kids, I think it's a great
idea for you to not have them.
But
in and this is where the crisis of
femininity thing comes in. In 10 or 15
years time, a lot of women who have been
grappling with culture and desire and
practical challenge of finding a partner
and then getting pregnant and then being
able to afford it and where are we going
to live and all of these things that are
really really difficult to navigate
>> are going to realize that it's no longer
something that they're working toward
but something that they missed.
>> Yes. And that's going to happen on mass
at greater and greater numbers. And
again, maybe the stats will change.
Maybe the stats looking likely to be
honest.
>> Maybe they will. Right. And that's the
only case in which people who are
pushing back against this and saying
that this is irresponsible from you etc.
The only case in which that their
argument is a responsible one to make is
if the 90% of people 90% of women uh
either do or want to have children. 90%
of women do or want to have children
>> which is normal by the way. I think we
treat that as this like crazy archaic
unfeminist thing that you should want to
have a child. Your natural god-given
femininity means you are inclined for
nurturing. Period. Full stop. It's why
you're replacing the idea of motherhood
with being like a plant mom or a cat mom
or a dog mom. Plant mom. Whole corner of
the internet. Plant moms don't even go
down the rabbit hole. It's not worth it.
>> Merch and everything. It's a whole
thing. Don't get me wrong. I love my
dog. I can't really keep a plant alive.
So, I don't think I'll ever be a
successful a successful plant parent. I
love my dog. My dog's my sidekick. She
has her own Instagram. I I love my dog.
She is truly my best friend. My dog will
never be on par of importance in my life
as my baby. And I never would have
thought that it was that dramatic of a
difference until I gave
>> crazy that you have to make that as a
statement.
>> It It is crazy and I'm like radically
insane for most people online for saying
that. But it is not abnormal and nothing
is wrong with you if you want to have a
baby. That is an instinctual desire for
women because we were designed to
nurture in a different way than men were
designed to provide and to protect. I
think we've just gas lit ourselves as a
generation into thinking everything that
we naturally are inclined toward is
somehow evil or regressive or outdated.
And it's not. But because of that lie,
by 2030, in just a few years, 45% of
women aed 15 to 45 are going to be
single and childless.
>> Basically half.
>> I don't know what we do with that as a
society. I I just really really hope I
really hope that the people who want to
have kids realize and I hope that they
realize not too late because otherwise
we're going this is where that line is
going to come because at the moment
there are lots of people who are holding
this view but they haven't yet they
haven't decided to sort of make their
bet but they haven't yet left the
stadium.
>> Well that's the really sinister part of
the attack on women right and why it's
different from the attack on men. The
attack on masculinity can happen at
really any time, right? Men are
masculine, period. From the minute they
come out of the womb all the way until
the minute that they die. And everything
associated with masculinity was bad. But
what they really primarily are targeting
with this attack on womanhood is a very
short window of time of your biological
capacity.
>> It's a very impressionable time.
>> A very impressionable time where you
already feel uncomfortable in your
adolescence. Every woman does. You're
ugly and weird and chubby and you got
acne and everybody else looks beautiful
and you feel really gross, right? Like
that's very normal. They prey upon that
in that moment now to either convince
you to basically render yourself
sterile. That's what they're doing
through these SSRI prescriptions or for
uh gender transition. Or if they're
unable to do that, they wait a couple
more years and then they convince you,
well, we know you want those things
later in life. And that's okay. That's
okay. You can want them later in life,
but right now you should just really
have fun. You should embrace your 20s.
You should be radically selfish. You
should do this thing. And they
essentially push you out of the
biological window for your capacity to
even answer. Do I want this for myself?
And that's what's really scary.
>> Who's they?
>> The proverbial they, I suppose. But I I
really think this is coming from
multiple directions in society.
>> This is coordinated.
>> It can be in many ways. Um, and I think
it was as we normalized a lot of these
ideas, but now it just is normal culture
and it doesn't need to be quite as
coordinated. It's the snowball down the
hill. It's just already going.
>> Yeah, that's an interesting one. I mean
look
political affiliation is heritable. It's
quite heritable actually. It's about 50%
heritable I think. Now we had a a
strange pivot in the last generation
which is there was so much rebellion
against our parents' generation of what
it was that they believed that I think
that heritability might have dropped
somewhat
>> with millennials you're saying.
>> Yeah I think so and Gen Z too. I think
that there's a lot of rebellion from
what my parents believed I'm going to
believe the opposite. And that can go in
both directions. But I think that's
maybe more so especially for women gone
to the left. But if you are someone who
cares about your current party's
political continuation,
you need you this is this is just advice
to anyone. No matter what you care
about, even if you're a [ __ ] heaven's
gator and your hope is that your kids
will kill themselves when they're
[ __ ] 30 years old when the comic goes
over the top. like it doesn't matter
because the likelihood of your beliefs
and worldview and ideology and the
things that you care about continuing.
The best way that you can ensure that is
to recreate a human using your genes.
>> Well, it's not even about politics,
right? I mean, economically, our country
is going to collapse. If you care about
economic stability and financial
opportunity for the next generation,
good luck with any sort of financial
stability if we don't have anyone to run
our society. Good luck with everything.
I mean, you could apply this to every
political issue and cultural and
socioeconomic issue of our time, but I
actually think it's just much more
important than that, right? Because
ultimately, what we're really talking
about is what it means to uniquely be
human. And I think they have so attacked
this idea of love and purpose and soul
to the point that I hear often on
college campuses and on social media
alike that really we're just animals,
right? I mean, sex itself has been
degraded not from this beautiful union
with the purpose of making a new person
and and I would argue actually an act of
worship for God. I don't think we talk
about that enough, but I do think that's
what sex can have the capacity. Does
>> it feel a little bit weird for God to be
the third person in the sex?
>> God's the third person in your marriage
ultimately in high school.
>> Does he leave? Does he stay outside when
I go in the bedroom?
>> In high school, I had a morality
teacher. We had to take a mandatory
morality class at Catholic High School
and I had him explain sex in a way that
I've never forgotten. And I wish we
talked about this with more young people
and more teenagers. He said, "Sex
ultimately is what it is supposed to be
the closest feeling to heaven on earth
when it is done with your spouse inside
the loving union of your marriage."
That's awesome. I mean, that's the most
amazing thing you could possibly sell to
the next generation. Unfortunately,
we're learning sexed from Planned
Parenthood in America more often than
not. Uh they write the vast majority of
sexed in our country today. But we've
even reduced that to the point of
complete anim animalistic behavior in
the name of empowerment somehow or
enlightenment. I mean, for goodness
sakes, there was a clip that went super
viral a few days ago of Alex Cooper on
her podcast, probably the most
influential female on the internet today
for young women saying that the best way
to just be an empowered girly is on the
second night that you know a man to let
him have anal sex with you.
>> As if that's somehow
>> it's a bold strategy.
>> Bold strategy. Not particularly a safe
one physically, emotionally,
spiritually, anything.
>> Can we find Can we find that clip?
>> If you search it on X, I'm sure it's the
first one that comes up. It is
>> shocking. I mean, my jaw was on the
floor. But that is what we're selling as
adi sex advice to kids today. Wild.
>> I don't know. I mean, look, every time
that I sit down with Brett, we seem to
talk about your Is this it? This one?
>> This is it.
>> All right. I've had so many dates where
like I had great first date kisses and I
was like, "Oh my god, I'm never calling
you." But oh, who doesn't love a make
out? Like make outs are so fun. Okay.
And so kiss them the first date. [ __ ]
sleep with them the first night. Like I
don't care. You have to go based on what
feels good to your body and what feels
right to you. And so if you have some
[ __ ] friends that are prudes that are
like, "You should never kiss on the
first date. You're going to give them
the wrong impression and they're just
going to think you're a whore." Okay,
maybe for you, Cassandra, but I'm about
to let him in my back door on night,
too.
You don't have to do anal on night, too,
but you could. Whatever feels right. You
have to be at your core centered with
what feels right to you and your body
and what you want to do. And if you want
to [ __ ] or you want to make out, or how
about this? If you don't want to kiss on
the first date and that is your mo,
great. But don't just
>> what's weird when you watch clips like
that and it's this strange crossing over
of two different worlds. One is
sex positive
only fans adjacent euphoria world and
the other is therapy language.
>> You have to do what feels right in your
body. Yeah. For you at this moment.
Yeah. It's this it is it's very
self-affirming.
>> Yep.
>> I'm like hang on a second. This doesn't
feel those two worlds don't feel like
the same thing. I don't think that you
should be talking in therapy language
when it comes to making a decision about
what you're doing on your first date
with your body. Because we all know that
instinct is sometimes impulse. And we've
all made really [ __ ] bad decisions
with regards to impulsive. Like making
an impulsive decision in almost no one's
book is a good idea.
>> And look, here's a paradox.
It is true somehow that sex is both
something so sacred and precious that if
it goes wrong, it can be the most
traumatic thing of your entire life.
>> Y
>> and also something which can be freely
traded on the open market or given away
after dinner at Carbone
>> in our current culture. I don't think it
should be that.
>> I don't understand how those two things
come together, right? And I think it's
maybe something to do with choice,
right? To to steal man the other side.
It's well, I'm choosing to do this
thing. That thing, even if it's not
sacred or special, there is something
about the violation of that line which
is highly
>> illusion of liberty of I'm just having
radical freedom over my choices and
that's somehow empowering.
>> I think it's just that I'm trying to
steelman what the case would be for how
those two worldviews come together.
obvious
if you were to ask women what their
number one fear is. It must be by I
who's no woman's saying spiders more
than assault rape right but
>> it is also true that this other world
exists and I the only steel man that I
can think of is
if I choose to do this thing it is then
it is liberated if I don't choose to do
this thing then I was violated.
I can see why people might arrive at
that conclusion, but I mean it
immediately falls apart the minute you
start nitpicking the argument. Right?
It's the same lack of critical thinking
and complete double standard that I see
related to abortion when I talk about
this with young women on college
campuses. I frankly I did a debate gosh
two years ago now on Ellen Fischer's
podcast that was so interesting. It was
a beautiful conversation with me and
Ellen was moderating and then a young
woman who is a family physician. She
delivers babies every single day for her
job as a licensed physician in America.
And she actually told me on this couch
that a baby is a baby when you want it
from the moment of conception. But a
baby is not a baby in the womb if you
don't want it. So it's the same concept,
right? If I'm choosing this and I'm
happy and joyful about this experience,
then it's an empowering and liberating
thing. But if I'm not quite sure how I
feel about feel about it or I'm not
quite sure if it's gonna impact my life
in a positive or negative way, then I
don't look at it so positively when
that's such a dangerous slippery slope
to go down because it
>> is angel anal sex
>> I guess. Yeah. I mean it allows us to
manipulate reality to the point that we
can't even answer the question what is a
woman anymore in our culture, right?
Because it depends. Everything depends.
And it all comes back to this malignant
narcissism of the god of self and what
happened when we completely removed God
from society as the objective moral tone
setter to allow for our own internal
compass that's often unreliable as you
just said to be the arbiter of all truth
24 hours a day.
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the most conservative generation ever?
>> I did. I didn't. I did not get a lot of
love for that in the conservative world,
I'll tell you that. But lo and behold,
we're on an interesting trajectory in
that direction.
>> Talk me through the trajectory.
>> Yeah. You know, I was so privileged as
my career shifted away from what I
thought it was going to be, which was
going to be medicine to befriending a
young man when I was in college named
Charlie Kirk. and Charlie came and spoke
on my college campus after I went to one
of the very first ever Turning Point USA
conferences for young women called the
Young Women's Leadership Summit here in
Texas in 2017. And this was before like
the era of tableabling events on college
campuses and big speakers on campus. A
handful of people were doing it at the
time like Milo Yiannopoulos and Ben
Shapiro. Um but Charlie really wanted to
try doing it and we'd become friends
over the past few months after I
attended that first conference. So he
came and spoke on my campus in 2018 when
I was still a student and shortly
thereafter when I graduated offered me a
job at Turning Point USA to be one of
their first ever contributors which is
basically like a content creator or one
of their media faces and uh basically
told me, "Yeah, you're not going to
medical school. You shouldn't work under
fluorescent lights. You're meant to do
something different with your life and
you should come try it out for a couple
of years and see what happens." And
because of that, I spent hundreds of
hours on college campuses all over
America over the next few years. And in
the digital space, especially during
COVID, seeing what young people were
talking about. And I'd been taught early
on in this world of politics, that
politics is always downstream from
culture. If you want to understand
what's going to happen politically in
the next 5 to 10 years, don't look at
what bills they're talking about on
Capitol Hill or the guy that's running
for president. That's important. But
really, where you can predict where
things are going to go in the country is
what people are talking about outside of
politics. Who they're dating. Are they
going to church on Sunday morning? What
food are they eating? What TV shows are
they watching? the normalization of
culture there eventually trickles down
into the bills on Capitol Hill and the
guy who's sitting in the Oval Office.
So, spending so much time on campus, I
started to see young people, as you kind
of alluded to earlier, embrace this
radical rejection of everything that
came before us. But it just so happens
that to be punk rock and radically
countercultural in our generation is not
to cover your body in a million tattoos
and spike your hair and sing in a punk
rock band. It's to be super conservative
and very very traditional in your
cultural values. Politics aside, to
yearn for something like marriage and
want to have children, which are the
number one and number two political
priorities for young men under 45 today,
as they cite um in a recent Pew Research
poll that just came out a few weeks ago,
to eat real food, to move out of the big
cities, and to do the homesteading
thing, which is like now the biggest
craze on social media. I see it every
day to reject mainstream media because
largely it is propaganda and instead to
question things and go through
self-academic discovery and read as many
books as you can and listen to great
podcasts with people like Jordan
Peterson. And so I saw all of this
happening from 2019 on on college
campuses. And something just told me
this is going to eventually breed an
independent politically thinking
generation that's not going to buy the
idea that you have to be a leftist when
you're under 50 years old because that's
just what young people do. There's been
this old saying in Washington for a long
time that if you're not a liberal when
you're 20, then you have no heart. But
if you're not a conservative by the time
you're 50, then you have no brains and
everyone goes, "Haha, so funny. Once you
pay more in taxes, eventually you'll
become a conservative." But I think
people like Charlie Kirk really saw a
larger writing on the wall. And working
at Turning Point, I saw that as well,
that this ultimately has to be about so
much more than just tax policy and how
much you're sending to the government,
which is abysmal, by the way. It's
horrifying reading what your taxes are
paying for. This has to be about the
family and pursuit of moral goodness in
society and how we care for our neighbor
and what do we believe in? Are we still
one nation under God? Can we still build
our own American dream? What does that
even mean? What is our identity as a
country? And as our generation started
asking that in real time, it started to
look pretty culturally conservative. So,
long story short, I wrote a book about
it that came out in the spring of 2024
called The End of the Alphabet: How Gen
Z Can Save America. And I was on Fox
News and all the SiriusXM radio stations
and all that promoting my book and quite
literally everyone basically laughed me
off set and they said, "Yeah, it's a
nice pipe dream, but Gen Z has like 37
genders and rainbow hair and there's
just no way. Cute story, kid. That's
nice." Lo and behold, come November of
2024, it was largely young men under 35
that decisively delivered President
Trump back to the White House and have
completely confused the political ruling
class in Washington DC. No one knows
what to do with Gen Z. Uh, but not it's
not just men, young women as well. From
2020 to 2024 shifted 11 points away from
the Democrat party toward Donald Trump,
the person they're supposed to fear the
most in the world, even in an election
where they were told you have to vote
with someone who shares your biology.
They didn't overwhelmingly do that.
>> What's that? I saw a chart where the
points difference of women skewing way
to the left.
>> Yeah, it's I've seen it a lot the last
couple days, but
Is that
>> what to make of it?
>> Yeah. Is that is that incorrect? Is it
just not factoring for the young Here it
is.
>> No, it's correct for sure.
>> Young women young women have become much
more liberal. Young men not so much.
Political ideology of US 18 to 29 year
olds by gender. The ideology gap has
more than doubled from 12 points in 1999
to 23 points in 2023.
>> Uh it is starting to come back down. You
can see it peaked at what's that nearly
30.
>> Yeah. So women peaked at nearly plus 30
from zero. Men have stayed remarkably
still and actually moved a little bit
left I suppose but have stayed pretty
much bang on and yet it's now 23 points
a 23 point difference between the two.
Are you saying that if you extend that
out by another two and a half years you
see that come back down again? if people
still have the courage to direct their
attention to young women. Where I get
concerned is that there's a lot of
people, especially in the political
establishment ruling class of the right,
that look at this chart and they say,
"Okay, we've we can give up on young
women. There's no opportunity for hope.
It's written in the sand. We're just
done at this point." And that's
obviously not true. I mean, young women
are sitting at the same amount of
liberal roughly today as they were a
decade ago. That is a massive change in
a very short period of time from 2020 on
largely because I think we're starting
to see the exposure of how insane the
modern feminist movement has gotten by
having to create something progressive
even if you don't actually need to. But
I think as more young women are waking
up to this and again zooming out from
politics back toward the cultural front
starting to ask, do I want to get
married? Do I want to have children?
Pretty culturally conservative
questions. Why am I taking this
pharmaceutical pill called the birth
control pill for the last 10 years
because all of my doctors told me I had
to when it makes me fat and depressed
and absolutely have no libido or sexual
interest in the person that I'm dating.
Maybe this isn't as good for me as I
thought. And you're watching young women
everywhere quit the pill, which I think
is incredible. They're making these
culturally conservative decisions that I
do think will trickle down politically,
but only if we are willing as a society
culturally to engage with young women on
young women's subjects today.
>> I wonder whether from a uh evolutionary
psychology perspective looking at the
changes that you see way more wobbles
and I would like to roll it back a
little bit further as well. So many more
wobbles in what women believe in terms
of how much they change. Now, yes, they
were left-leaning. That makes kind of
sense. If you think about the nurturing
side of women, empathy being
prioritized, that makes sense. However,
the fact that there's much more
variability, I think might be due to
this mimemetic thing that we were
talking about before. That's basically a
nationwide
chart showing the lunch table. Y,
>> but it's just the female side of the
lunch table. But the male lunch tables
were inherently less mimetic in any
case. So, there's less movement. Does
that make sense? So basically, men are
staying flatter, not necessarily because
they're any more rational, but because
they're less likely to be at the mercy
of mimemetic spirals.
>> I think men are inherently a lot more
intrinsically skeptical of things and
they hear something and they think,
"Yeah, that might be true. I don't know.
Let me go do a bunch of research about
it." Whereas, you're right, women are
built for empathy. We are emotion-driven
first creatures, which is not a bad
thing. I think it's often really
tempting for people from the right to
attack empathy as this really horrible
vehicle that's destroying society. And
we should all do the facts don't care
about your feelings thing, which all
respect to my friend Ben has worked
really well with millennials and with
men is not working with young women.
>> Feelings don't care about your facts
>> because feelings and facts don't have to
be divorced from each other is the point
that I ultimately make. If you truly
care about the common good, if you truly
care about your neighbor, if you truly
care about wanting to make society a
better place, let's unpack that and then
find the right factual solution to
actually arrive there. The problem with
young women uh being messaged to right
now is that they're often having their
empathy hijacked and turned into this
concept of toxic empathy which Ali
Bethst Ducky talks really beautifully
about in a book that she wrote on the
subject where in order to not upset
anyone's feelings or to step really
lightly and you don't want to be the
mean person in the room, you end up
affirming things that are ultimately
destructive to the human person and to
society at large like abortion, like
physician assisted suicide, like gender
transition, like socialism frankly. and
you're watching that then become
attached to emotions. So the
overcorrection would be to say emotions
are always terrible, right? Ignore them
at all fault, only be logical always.
But I think emotions actually are a
powerful vehicle that we can start to
use to make lasting cultural change on a
lot of these issues because if we want
the best for people, of course we want
them to feel comfortable in their own
skin and not feel like they have to
castrate themselves in order to
experience self-love. Of course, we want
a young woman to say, "You know what?
This might not be the most ideal
situation, but I am strong and I am
capable and I want to bring my baby into
the world and give another person a
chance at life. I can do this with the
support of my community." Of course, we
want society at large to not fall back
into the pitfalls of socio-economic
hardship under communism that took the
lives of 100 million people throughout
modern history. We want people to have a
chance to build wealth and create
something for themselves, which is
generally why I support capitalism more
than socialism, right? So, I I think
there's an interesting angle that young
women can bring to the table here. That
emotions are not your enemy. They are a
powerful vehicle that the left has
figured out how to harness, but the
right just doesn't want to touch with a
10-ft pole.
>> What do you most agree with liberals on?
>> Ooh, that's a good question. Define
liberal.
>> Somebody that would have voted Democrat
and largely endorse most of their
policies.
>> See, I would argue today that's actually
not liberal. And if you start looking at
most political philosophy throughout
modern history, really the platform of
the Democrat party today is unabashedly
leftist. It's not classically liberal at
all. Look at the most perfect example of
all this free speech. Free speech is an
inherently liberal with a lowercase L
idea that built Western civilization.
Meanwhile, every single leading figure
of the Democrat party is in favor of
mass censorship. Uh the last
administration personally called Mark
Zuckerberg on the phone and insisted
that he censor things like the Hunter
Biden laptop story and uh conversations
around COVID treatment and so much more
that Facebook has now quietly retracted
and said, "Oh, well, you know, we
probably shouldn't have done that." Um,
and and you're watching a lot of them,
Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Kla
Harris, now on the speaker circuit,
saying if they do come back into power
in office, they want to imprison people
like you and me, podcasters, for
spreading stuff like dangerous
misinformation on the internet and hate
speech like we're seeing in the United
Kingdom right now, unabashedly leftist.
So, I think it's actually a much
friendlier home for liberals today,
classical liberals on the right side of
the aisle, which is why you've seen
Tulsi Gabbard and RFK join forces with
the Trump administration and do
something very unique in modern history
by forming this unity party. That said,
I think there is an interesting shift
happening right now in American politics
where you're watching the right kind of
grapple between the libertarian mindset
and the more truly onoffense
conservative mindset. And I watched this
happen, learning from Charlie Kirk over
the years that he used to call himself
the world's loudest conserv, right? He
generally was pretty conservative. This
blend of conservatism and
libertarianism, he was conservative, but
you know, live and let live. You do what
you want to do in your house. I'm going
to do what I'm going to do in my house.
And after he got married and had
children, he saw the world in a
completely different way where our
society desperately depends on strong
young men and beautiful young women
going on offense to preserve our
culture. And one of the most important
things that we need to be fighting for
is the family. Um, TurningPoint USA
recently became uh very very in the
front of the news cycle on the
conservative business front before
Charlie was killed by offering their
employees 6 months paid maternity leave,
which is unmatched anywhere in the
conservative media or activism world.
And I think something like that has
generally been championed by liberals,
maybe not the Democrat party quite as
much. I think there's a lot of nuance
there, but promoting the family above a
paycheck is hugely important. And I
think the right needs to embrace that a
lot more. So what do you agree with the
other side on?
>> Yeah. Promoting the idea that not
everything is ultimately about profit.
And I think it can it can often be
lowhanging fruit to say that that is the
way that it is, right? Free markets are
the most important thing in the world.
Capitalism is the most important thing
in the world. Unfortunately, we have
seen capitalism not really become a free
market anymore. It's this very entwined
gross deep state web with a lot of
people in politics as well. We don't
really live in a truly capitalist
society anymore. But JD Vance said this
really powerfully as our vice president
at the March for Life in January. And
this is not historically like a
conservative thing to say, but it
stopped me in my tracks. In his speech,
he said, "A cubicle and a computer
screen will never love you back the way
that your children do." And we need to
be building systems and policies in our
country today that make it easier for
young people to choose the latter. Maybe
not abandon the former. Is
>> that a standard conservative talking
point?
>> I not historically by any means. I I
don't econom engine would be most but
surely family would have been
prioritized ahead of economic engine.
>> Sure, at the personal level, at the
household level, probably not in the
policy level. And so I'm I'm excited to
see a lot more interesting policy
discussions happening across the aisle
in DC right now about promoting the
family above anything else. JD Vance
when he was a senator before he became
the vice president introduced a bill to
make child birth free in America that
insurance companies,
>> you have to pay to give birth.
>> Oh yeah, a lot of money.
>> How expensive?
>> A lot.
>> How expensive is giving birth? It would
would be 25K uh if we didn't have
insurance.
>> And how much is it with insurance?
>> Couple thousand dollars usually.
>> Depends.
>> 4 to8 usually.
>> Are you [ __ ] kidding me?
>> I wish.
>> Nope.
>> It's 25 grand. It's 25 grand to have a
baby.
>> Yes.
>> Jesus Christ.
>> I brought my I brought my own from home.
I'm not supposed to pay for something
I'm giving to you.
>> That's Chris's birth control.
>> Yeah, I know. Yeah. Yeah, it is.
>> Tell them the number.
>> 25 grand.
>> It's a powerful number. Do you take
pounds?
>> Exactly. But that's what's been used to
dissuade people from embracing the
family. Right. Because it's too
expensive. It's it's not available to
me. It's not something I should pursue
because companies generally have been
the driving machine behind the
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socialized healthcare?
>> No.
>> Do you think that we should have freely
available healthcare to anyone who can't
afford it?
>> We already do.
>> I don't know how it is.
>> It is illegal in America to walk into an
emergency room, no matter who you are or
your ability to pay, whether you are a
citizen or not, whether you have
insurance or not, and be turned away.
Everyone has to be treated regardless of
their ability to pay in an emergency
room.
>> It's the number one reason for
bankruptcy in America, not medical
bills.
>> Sure. I'm not trying to say that
healthcare isn't expensive. It is wildly
expensive in our culture today. But
largely the driver
>> being able to get healthare
but then be bankrupted by it doesn't
mean that you're not given it. Like yeah
you were given it upfront but the bill
is going to come due on the back end.
And if you can't pay the bill for
something that you got hit I remember
when I first ever came to America I went
and did this ghost tour around New
Orleans. And the guy that came and gave
me this tour was this very nice very New
Orleansy spooky my mom was a Wiccan type
guy. And it was great. and I tipped him
at the end and I was with a friend and
we thought it was really wonderful.
>> It's New Orleans so I'm anxious to see
where this story goes.
>> He was explaining to me about how it
works with the medical industry over
here and and and health insurance and
obviously I come from the UK where
nobody even thinks twice about it. The
NHS slow and fat and lumbering as it is
>> you will get looked after and you will
not pay for it. Obviously you pay your
taxes etc. But he said, "I've got two
cracked teeth at the moment, so thank
you for tipping." So, I've got two
cracked teeth and they're really, really
painful and they're keeping me up at
night. And I said, "Well, why don't you
get them fixed?" And he said, "Well,
it's going to be really expensive." And
my girlfriend has got some some other
thing that's going on that's really
serious and she can't afford it either.
And he told me this line. He said,
"Dude, if you get hit by a bus, you
better walk it off."
And that really struck me because I
thought, "Oh, that's [ __ ] barbaric."
like for someone coming from the UK and
I this has to contribute as well to the
homeless problem that so many of the
people that get swept up by psychiatric
care in the UK that happens before they
get to the shuffling talking to yourself
shouting at lamposts stage that so many
homeless people in America get to and
it's it really is distressing to see to
look at a country that I really really
love and I'm very glad that I came to
like just
so many people have fallen through the
cracks in that way that simply hasn't
happened in the UK. We have access to
just as good drugs.
>> Yes.
>> Like the drugs are just as fun and I
tried a lot of them
>> but people in the UK are paying for this
in a different way. I mean there's a lot
to unpack here. So I want to get to all
of that and I do want to come back to
the UK. First and foremost that's
exactly this problem of affordability
and accessibility. Why programs like
Medicaid exist, right? It's for
low-income individuals who otherwise
wouldn't have access to healthcare. That
was what was supposed to be addressed by
Obamacare. But obviously, that problem
has not really been fixed. And I don't
know where we go from here as a country
on that. We'll see throughout my
lifetime if it ever gets addressed.
Unfortunately, we have so much rampant
fraud in programs like Medicaid that
those dollars aren't actually going to
help people that desperately need our
help. Those people experiencing
homelessness, our veterans that are
often living on the street, people like
the guy you met in New Orleans. Instead,
as we're watching with our friends Nick
Shirley and company exposing all of this
on social media, a lot of that taxpayer
money that is going for the right thing
is instead lining the pockets of people
who are buying gazillion dollar sports
cars and sending that money overseas to
other countries. That is a huge problem
and it needs to be addressed. On the
concept of affordability, I am not in
any way attempting to say that
healthcare is cheap or readily
financially accessible to everyone in
America by any means. A large portion of
the problem here is that we don't
actually have a free market of health
care available to people. When you show
up at the doctor, whether it's for a
major surgery that you've had plans for
months or the emergency room and you
just need to be seen in the next 5
minutes or even just your primary care
physician, you have no idea what it's
going to cost. You have no clue. They
don't tell you. They don't have a list
or a menu outside in the waiting room so
that you can say, "Okay, I need that. I
probably don't really need that or maybe
I can negotiate on my behalf for
something like that." Instead, insurance
companies and hospital executives who
are not even the doctors are behind the
scenes handling all of these things for
months and months and months and then
they just present you a bill. One of the
most outrageous examples of this is
child birth. Like the most crazy things
you can possibly think of and then you
ask the hospital for an itemized bill.
Okay, you gave a wild number of $25,000.
What actually went into that? Usually
after you ask for an itemized bill, it
gets cut by like 2/3 by the time they
send it back to you, by the way.
Fascinating stuff. And then
>> because they've put stuff on the bill
that they don't
>> artificially inflated the number and
there doesn't actually need to be
>> who is doing that?
>> Hospital executives and insurance
companies.
>> Hospital executives
>> like people on the healthcare management
side not the physicians. The doctor
doesn't have time to sit there and say
and add a single Advil in the emergency
room
takes his gloves off and just adds a
couple of thousands.
>> But there are people who that is their
job to do to keep the hospital going as
a business, right? It works a little bit
differently um than it does in the UK
obviously. So you see these hospital
execs and insurance company brokers talk
to each other behind the scenes. They
come to you. You ask for an itemized
receipt. It ends up being much cheaper.
But even then, one Tylenol pill should
not be costing you $350 in the emergency
room who arbitrarily decided that
insurance companies did and hospital
executives that you never get a chance
to meet. You don't speak to them face to
face. You speak to your doctor who tells
you this is what you need in order to be
healthy and in order to live a normal
life and we're going to help you get to
that point. And so I think there's been
this false presentation to the American
people for a long time that it's doctors
who are the enemy and doctors are trying
desperately to keep you sick so that
they can sell you all of these
treatments. And you see a lot of that in
the maha discourse right now. Doctors
don't get to participate in those
financial conversations more often than
not either. The problem is we have no
actual option of free choice. Which is
why I think the Trump administration has
done a great job on the idea of
something like price transparency for
hospitals. That hospitals actually have
to publish what their services cost
publicly so that before you ever show up
to the emergency room, you can see is my
IV today going to cost $3,000 or is it
going to cost $35? Because if so, I'm
going to go pick that hospital down the
street.
>> Oh, the menu's out front.
>> The menu is out front or published
online or whatever, right? And it gives
you the the ability to have freedom of
choice so that you actually can create a
competitive market. Again, the problem
that you see in socialized healthare
systems is not always on the forefront
of cost. It really can't be because it
is taxpayer funded, right? So there's
not a gazillion extra dollars being
pumped into these systems. But people in
Canada and people in the UK are paying
in a much different way. Not with a
massive bill financially, but usually
with their time that does indeed cost
their life. In Canada right now, you
have to wait upwards of 18 months for a
hip replacement surgery or multiple
years to get an MRI or a PET scan to
confirm that you do indeed have cancer
and we need to start imminent
chemotherapy or get you scheduled for a
surgery tomorrow. That is not an option
for people. There was a huge horrifying
story out of the UK several years ago of
a young baby named Charlie. Was Charlie
his name? I'm 99% sure. And uh he had
very severe debilitating um uh
disabilities when he was born and was
being kept alive on a ventilator in the
hospital. And ultimately the NHS just
decided they didn't want to pay for it
anymore. They didn't want to keep him
alive. Even though there were treatments
out there, it was too expensive. There
were treatments out there that could
have kept this baby alive. And his
parents were desperately begging the UK
government, please let our baby survive.
Please let our baby survive. The
government of Italy eventually ended up
trying to get involved. and Georgia
Maloney pleaded with the UK government,
we will take him. We will put him at the
Children's Hospital here in Rome
attached to the Vatican and they were
never able to do that because the NHS,
the government ultimately decided this
is a financial liability for us. So,
we're pulling the plug. I mean, don't
get me wrong, there is a a website and a
Twitter account that is uh days of NHS
spending
>> and it equates what you would have got
for the number of days of NHS spending
that this thing would be and uh the NHS
nobody in the UK is a fan of the NHS,
right? Nobody Nobody No, it's not even
really a good system.
>> Nobody thinks it is. I I ruptured my
Achilles. I fully detached my Achilles
playing cricket like a proper British
gentleman. And that took 13 days to be
reattached. 13 days.
>> What' they do in the meantime?
>> Well, we waited to find me a surgeon.
Uh, now I was being
>> That's absurd.
>> I was being a little bit selective with
my surgeon cuz I wanted one of the best
of course you do. that were available on
the NHS. But that meant I had to wait
for him to come back onto rotation and
then he's got and he basically I ended
up calling in a favor from a friend who
worked for a pro rugby team that knew
the guy and he's like look there's two
that are the best in the UK, one's in
London and one cycles through to
Newcastle, but he's just done it recent.
He does it every two weeks and he just
did it recently yesterday.
>> Correct me if I'm wrong. You can choose
to pay for private healthcare in the UK
as well, but it's exorbitantly expensive
so most people don't.
>> I'm not sure about that. I know that you
could just pay one off to go to the
Nfield or go to BER or something like
that that are these private clinics or
you could also pay for to have private
healthcare. I don't know what it is when
it comes to cost. What I do know is I
knew no one growing I grew up in a very
very working-class area of the UK. So
that probably doesn't maybe no one was
using in any case. I don't know anybody
that had private healthcare.
>> Interesting.
>> Imagine imagine a world where you got
free internet. Everybody got free
internet access but it was 500 kilobytes
a second.
>> Yeah.
>> Right. So you get something that
everybody needs but the standard of
service is very low.
>> This is generally my problem with the
idea of socialized systems period
because it sounds good in theory that
everyone has access to everything and
everybody has the equal access to the
same stuff. But ultimately what that
always ends up shaking out to be is not
raising the floor to be a higher floor
for everyone. It's dropping the ceiling
down to make sure that no one can break
through that ceiling.
>> You do still have the option to then go
and pay for it to be private. So I think
>> Sure. So but that just defeats the whole
purpose, right? If the socialized system
was working well, you wouldn't need the
ability to do that.
>> I I think the reason that it's used in
the way it is is that it sweeps up the
people who are toward the bottom end of
the distribution,
>> right? Which is exactly what I'm saying
programs like Medicaid are supposed to
be covering and they're just not because
our programs are being completely high,
etc., etc. Well, I mean, that kind of is
the American dream in some ways to be
that capitalistic that you've even
managed to rob people of the ability to
have a kid. But,
>> okay. Well, actually, let's talk about
that. This is interesting because we
talked about this this week with Health
and Human Services and the launch of
their moms.gov initiative.
Congratulations. That's really
interesting. Thank you. Um, you know, I
I was asked to come to the launch event
and just share my experience as a young
mom and it was really fascinating. But
one of the major things that they're
trying to let people know already
exists, this is not inventing a new
program or anything, is access to
pregnancy resource centers. If I asked
you how many Planned Parenthoods existed
around America today and are helping
women every day, how many would you
guess there are?
>> 3,000.
>> There's about 600 and they're closing
more and more every single day. And most
of these Planned Parenthood facilities
really only provide abortion. That's
pretty much the only service that they
offer in their clinics. Even though most
young women say to their dying breath,
"No, no, they're doing cancer
screenings. and they're doing prenatal
care and they're helping you with all
these other things. They're not.
Actually, they say that on their
website, but if you go to all of these
brick-and-mortar locations, the only
thing that they will provide to you at
that location is an abortion. On the
other hand, there are about 3,000
pregnancy resourced centers that operate
across the country every day. Some of
those are called federally qualified
health centers and your tax dollars do
go to pay for some of those. But most of
them are run by nonprofits and it's just
charitable giving that keeps them afloat
that every single day do offer
completely free, zero cost to the
patient prenatal care, supply drives,
giving you free diapers if you don't
have access to something like this, free
babysitting services so that someone can
help you if you're trying to find a job
as a new mom. They'll cover your
mortgage. They will do incredible work
to financially provide for moms who find
themselves in a difficult financial
situation and an unexpected pregnancy.
The minute you mention these pregnancy
resource centers in any sort of
discourse around maternal care, the
entire media apparatus shuts you down
because they're not Planned Parenthood
and they don't offer abortion and
Planned Parenthood is the gold standard.
So, you're not even supposed to mention
any of these things, even though every
day they already are providing free
prenatal services to tens of thousands
of moms everywhere. That should be the
gold standard in our society. And we
give $800 million at the federal
government level alone to Planned
Parenthood through taxpayer money,
>> not to provide abortions directly
because that's illegal, but to keep the
building on, the lights on, and to keep
the building operational, and to pay
people's salaries. Why isn't that money
going towards these 3,000 clinics that
are actually providing free prenatal
maternity services to women? I think
that's a really important question we
need to be asking. Charitable giving and
making sure that the least of these in
our society is taken care of from a
healthcare perspective is so important.
And that's why I want to see Medicaid
actually work as a functional government
agency. It's why I want to see the VA
operate as a functional government
agency. It's probably the worstrun
government agency ever, maybe with
exception to the DMV, which no one no
one loves to experience. But these are
the questions that matter. The answer is
not to turn everything related to
healthcare in America into the VA. That
would be a disaster actually because
that ceiling would come down and destroy
our baseline community health for
everyone. I want to bring the floor up
for everyone and make sure that our
quality of care is unmatched anywhere in
the world.
>> You mentioned Trump. What do you think's
happening with his approval numbers?
Yeah, I get asked this a lot with young
men, especially that young men are
becoming a little disillusioned with
everything going on in the Trump admin.
And I was asked this on CNN a few weeks
ago. Turned into quite the fiery
discussion because I said something they
didn't expect me to say. The way that
the media is running with all of this is
they're saying young men had this little
flirtatious moment with conservatism,
largely thanks to people like Charlie
Kirk in the last election, and now
they're not really in in a bed with the
conservative movement. they're over
Republican politics and so they're all
going to run back to the left for the
midterm elections and for the 2028
presidential election. I don't think
that's true and that certainly is not
the conversation you're seeing on
college campuses or online. What the
media apparatus and establishment
politics is failing to acknowledge with
young people is we're not frustrated
with conservatives in Washington because
they're conservative. We're frustrated
because they are not being conservative
enough. What do I mean by that? They're
not going on offense to defund Planned
Parenthood. They're not going on offense
to ban corporations from buying single
family homes and prevent the Blackstones
of the world from turning us into
renters for the rest of our life, which
is happening right now. Republicans in
Congress are introducing mass amnesty
bills to give 10 million illegal
immigrants currently in this country
permanent residency status under the
Digny Dodd Act that was introduced by a
Republican and co-signed by dozens of
other Republicans. You're watching this
perversion and manipulation of
conservatism where it's screamed into a
microphone on the campaign trail, but
then it's not actually unabashedly
enacted in Washington from a policy
perspective. And most of that does come
from Congress, but certainly I think a
lot of that frustration has been pointed
toward the the White House as well.
>> This is the libertarian versus or the
sort of step back conservatism versus
lean-in conservatism. Yeah, I I wouldn't
say libertarian versus conservative, but
defensive conservatism versus offensive
>> versus hands on maybe.
>> Yeah, that's interesting. I didn't look
I mean 51% which was where Trump peaked
at, I think, which was higher than at
any point in his last term to 34%.
>> It's a big swing,
>> which is lower than at any point within
18 months.
>> I don't know. I I And then and then
Professor Jen thinks that he's going to
go for a third term. Well,
>> do you see that?
>> It's a fun joke, but no, obviously
that's not actually
>> Hey, he's got two he's got two
mechanisms. Jang suggests that due to
the ongoing losing war with Iran, the US
will enter a state of severe crisis
leading to a national draft and
consequently a third term for Trump
under emergency war powers. Or
alternative scenario, Jang also outlined
a scenario where Donald Trump Jr. runs
for president in 2028 and if victorious
immediately abdicates in favor of his
father.
>> How do you There's no constitutional
mechanism for that at all. The funny
thing is, look, this is exactly what we
heard in 2020. Against every single
argument they possibly could make, that
didn't happen, right? If President Trump
wanted to unconstitutionally seize power
and occupy the Oval Office forever, he
just wouldn't have left in 2020. But he
did. He handed over the reigns of power
to Joe Biden, and that's what the
peaceful transfer of power looks like in
our country. Uh, I think it is totally
fair and completely understandable to be
frustrated with feckless conservatism in
Washington. And that's not pointed at
Donald Trump. I'm pointing that really
towards the Republican party at large
right now. And they are profoundly
misreading the room of where young
people are at and what we are looking
for in terms of conservatism in action
from our elected officials.
>> Um that that is completely fair. But
don't mistake that frustration for
abandonment of conservative principles.
I think that's the lowhanging fruit that
the media is running with right now
because it sounds good and it's
political insane hyperbolic jargon that
we always do before every major election
cycle. I mean, they predicted the like
massive red wave or the blue wave every
single time in the last few years.
What's Poly Market's prediction? Search
uh Poly Market midterm prediction. Um
>> it changes like every week right now.
So, I'd be curious around.
>> Yeah, this is not an ad for [ __ ] Poly
Market by the way. I'm aware every
person who's like, "Can we pull it up?"
And now it's impossible for me to
actually refer to them without I'm like
doing an ad read and not getting paid
for it and then being, you know, it's
like losing weight naturally and not
using as emp
>> balance of power 2026.
I don't know what any of this [ __ ]
means.
>> Basically, where everyone is really
keeping their eyes on the the ball right
now for the midterm elections is in
redistricting because I think all of
this is well and good under the
assumption
>> gerrymandering [ __ ] going on at the
moment.
>> There's a lot going on at the moment
with redistricting. I live in Virginia
actually right now in Northern Virginia
outside of DC and we have been really in
the hot seat for all of this the last
several months. But
>> oh, there we go. Yeah. A new Virginia
congressional map used in the midterms.
Only an 8% chance, but
>> it just got struck down by the state
supreme court. So it's really
>> obviously a a pretty
important headline if it's if it's in
here.
>> So I think a lot of this is more nuanced
than what Poly Market or Kulshi or any
of the betting odds would give you.
Generally not sponsored by either of
them.
>> The most if you look at that top
question, which party will take the
house in 2026.
>> Yep.
>> Only one time to my knowledge,
>> fact check me if I'm wrong on this, in
American history has the same party that
won the White House held on to a house
majority in Congress between a
presidential and a midterm. always get
pissy.
>> People always get upset. People always
get disillusioned. It always flips back
the other way. That's just the reality
of the pendulum swing of American
politics. So, it's easy to be like, "Oh
my gosh, the whole country is in
turmoil. We're all disagreeing. This is
so normal for American politics." It
doesn't even begin to phase me at all.
Where this midterm election will get
really interesting is the redistricting
efforts that are happening in states all
over.
>> I I assume accurately that I'm an idiot
and don't know what that what's going
on. Generally speaking, every state has
a different process to draw their
congressional districts. Every single
one of them, which gets really confusing
and muddy and not a great standard for
all of our congressional districts
across the country, but basically each
state gets to decide how they draw the
shape of where your congressman who
represents you in the House of
Representatives actually comes from
>> street,
>> which is how you end up getting these
weird lobster claw looking things like
they just introduced in Virginia.
Chicago has a congressional district
that literally looks like a U. like it
is so thin and it looks like a U through
the entire city of Chicago. It's
horrifying. Um, but different states
have used these to their political
advantage basically throughout
everyone's lifetime on both sides to try
to be more representative of the state
population makeup in whatever way that
they could. There has been an
interesting conversation related to how
race factors into this after the civil
rights act and particularly after the
civil rights movement uh where Democrats
largely were promoting this idea of
doing race-based congressional districts
and trying to assume that heavily black
populations in particular areas largely
urban areas tend to favor Democrat
politicians. And so we're going to draw
the districts to factor in as many
majority black neighborhoods as possible
to give those people a chance to elect a
Democrat. Where I find that really
disgusting, and actually this was just
struck down by the Supreme Court because
that is in fact discrimination and
racial profiling of American people,
which is not great. Uh where I find that
really disgusting is the assumption that
you are automatically going to be a
Democrat based on your skin color. Like
I just think that's really gross
actually. and it's not a fair election
system and it's not an opportunity to
have an honest conversation about who's
going to more appropriately represent
you and bring the things that your
constituents care about to Washington
DC. So that's getting a lot of media
attention right now. But red states are
largely redistricting for almost all red
districts. Blue states are trying to
redistrict for almost all districts.
>> Who's in charge of the state gets to at
least
>> it depends the determination.
>> So sometimes it's the state legislature.
Sometimes
>> this country's a [ __ ] mess. Sorry.
>> I'm sorry. I I've been here for 4 years
and I'm not a total [ __ ] but this
country is really hard to understand.
>> Well, it's really difficult to
understand.
>> It's the first time anything like this
has ever
>> You know what's a good solution to this?
A great solution to this is to be a
thousand years old and have not been
invaded in that entire mill.
>> You're saying the UK hasn't been
invaded?
>> Okay.
>> Yes, it is intentionally confusing. I I
think it's
>> intentionally confusing. I think a lot
of state legislators have made it very
intentionally confusing so that you
don't get involved in the process
really. But that's what just happened in
Virginia. It's not supposed to be run by
the state legislature or a vote. It's
supposed to be a nonpartisan independent
commission made up of people from both
sides who are not elected officials to
redraw all of the Virginia congressional
districts. And that was decided a long
time ago. They just tried to run a
special election where voters voted on
the new map. And largely they
ridiculously over campaigned in Northern
Virginia to make sure that the new map
would pass. It was very close. It was
extraordinarily closer than most people
thought it would be and it ended up
getting struck down because you can't
draw the map that way. That's not what
Virginia law says. So they've appealed
to the Supreme Court and we'll see how
that shakes out, but it'll be
interesting.
>> [ __ ] confusing. It's insane. Uh,
okay.
Why do you think it is that young people
are suddenly turning to religion as much
as they are? I don't know what the stats
about this are in the UK, but I know
that the US is having a real resurgence.
I know.
>> So is the UK. Yeah.
>> Okay. Well, I don't know whether Latin
mass is happening, but I mean the fact
that
>> it is in the UK, too, believe it or not.
>> All right. Give me Why are younger
people suddenly becoming more open to
religion again?
>> Yeah. The the Christian revival that
you're seeing with Gen Z right now is
completely unexpected, unlike anything
the world ever could have predicted. If
you look at demographic trends
throughout my lifetime, every generation
was getting successively more atheist
and more godless. And that was predicted
for generation Z as well, that we were
going to be the most atheist generation
ever known to man, ever seen in human
history. And all of a sudden, you've
seen a dramatic 180 with young people
leading this return to Christianity. And
not just any Christianity, very, very
traditional with a capital T Catholic
mass, usually in Orthodoxy. So, the
Latin mass, as you just mentioned, about
as tad as you could possibly get in
terms of your faith.
>> 2,000-y old t. So tr you don't even know
what's going on.
>> TRD, indeed.
>> That's how tad you need to be.
>> 2,000-y old tr.
>> Yeah. Because you're insufficiently
conservative.
>> Oh, yes. My tr adjacentness.
>> Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're all
trad. You need to be Latin trad.
>> Latin trad. I like that. I mean, I kind
of am already in my faith. But what's
interesting is I think young people are
so deeply attracted to this because it
is stable. It is immovable. It's not
changing with the political or social or
cultural whims of the day. This is
something that has been true since 2,000
years ago, since the time of Christ when
he established the church, and remains
virtually unmoved today. The mass that
you experience today is the same mass
that they were practicing with the
apostles after Jesus's death and even at
the last supper when they made the first
mass happen. And young people are
especially I think disillusioned with
the idea of being the arbiter of
morality and the arbiter of truth in our
own lives because we've watched our
society crumble to the ground very very
quickly throughout our lifetime where we
cannot answer basic questions about
reality. My truth is different from your
truth which means my version of right
and wrong is different from your version
of right and wrong. And all of a sudden
you see humanity itself really fold in
on itself. the destruction of other
human life becomes instantaneously
possible and even cheerleaded. We lack a
internal sense of purpose and a
direction in our lives. So, we're just
aimlessly floating in the middle of this
mental health crisis with no sense of
who we are and where we want to go. And
as we start asking ourselves all of
these questions, you then realize my
life has a lot more purpose and meaning
when it isn't about me, when it's in
pursuit of something bigger than myself.
And we're finding that through the
sacraments and through the church. Well,
look, taking everything
from the mental health crisis to the
free sexual expression to the
non-panggenerational housing, move out
of home to the pick whatever direction
it is. Ultimately, the stats on mental
health and levels of happiness and
meaning and well-being like they just
speak for themselves. And it doesn't
surprise me that people are going,
"Well, I've kind of lucked forwards as
much as possible. That doesn't seem to
be working. I'm going to try I'm just
going to try whatever is available and
here's another thing. It's a not a new
thing. It's a very old thing, but it's
new to me and it wasn't introduced in my
life. So, yeah, I wonder whether uh I
wonder whether it would kind of be like
finding an ancient type of ompic that
you could use to try and face. The
Eucharist is ancient ompic.
>> It's ancient. It's ancient spiritual
ampic to counteract the calorie dense
spiritual environment that you found
yourself in.
>> Well, kind of actually there's something
to that of the simple nature of the
faith that ultimately the I think the
Latin mass is so interesting to zoom in
on here because
>> have you been to one of these? Is that
is that where you go normally?
>> No, because it's not usually widely
available in my dascese. Um different
like the county basically speaking the
jurisdiction of where you go to church.
country. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
>> This came from the church 2,000 years
ago. So take that up with 2000. But the
area of which you go to church is
usually overseen by one bishop, right?
So different bishops around the country
have different rules and regulations
around the Latin mass. And there is kind
of a generational dichotomy with all of
this stuff where our parents were really
bought into the Vatican 2 side of things
of the way that we do mass right now,
which is called novice oro. The new
order basically all it means is it's a
little more seeker friendly. the priest
faces is out during the mass. So when
he's preparing the Eucharist and doing
all these things at the altar for
communion, he's facing you, the
congregation, not the altar behind him.
That's a huge change from the Latin mass
to novas order.
>> 180°ree change.
>> 180°ree change. Um the music is very
very different. Obviously the language
in which all the prayers are recited is
very very different. It's in whatever
language you happen to be going to mass
in around the world, English here. Um
whereas the Latin mass is not about you
at all. Like the point of you and your
experience going in the congregation is
not on anyone's mind whatsoever.
>> The priest is facing the crucifix when
he is preparing the Eucharist in that
moment of transfiguration. Uh it's all
in a language that is not the language
that we commonly speak every single day.
Although at the time it was the
universal language of the world, right?
And it remains the universal language of
the church as the Catholic lower key
lowercase Catholic means universal
church continues to operate all over the
world. Um, there's the smells and bells
of it all, right? That kind of
transports you to something outside of
your normal.
>> Isn't it nice? Isn't it nice being
around something that's really old?
>> Yes. It's
>> some old [ __ ] for you.
>> Transformative, honestly. This the
stained glass windows, the statues. I
mean, everything takes you out of the
over stimulation of the culture that we
live in right now that is just constant
stimulus thrown at you every 5 minutes
to something where you sit and you watch
and you take it all in. And it's this
moment where everything slows down and
you can start to hear yourself think
again and you can hear God operate in
your life again. And it is changing an
entire generation in real time.
>> What about this New York's hottest new
club is massive.
>> You know, they're doing one of these
pizza to pews in DC this weekend and I
think I'm going to check it out. There's
this new movement put on by very very
very sweet young people in New York uh
led by a young woman named Kate Dietro.
She also happens to be Dana Parino's
assistant at Fox News. Um, and Dana used
to be the White House press secretary,
but Kate is so sweet. I absolutely adore
following all of her stuff on social
media. She and her friend Anthony have
started this whole movement in New York
City called Pizza to Pews where they're
trying to bring more of their friends to
mass so that you don't miss sit out and
you don't go by yourself and you're not
constantly wondering, am I going to have
a community there? You get to go with
all of your friends. And they've
partnered with this cute pizza place in
New York City. And before they do
evening mass on Sunday evenings,
everybody shows up for this fun pizza
party at this restaurant. And it's
become this networking, fun,
socializing, hang out with everybody
with hundreds of people. Literally, if
you watch the churches that they
typically go to mass to uh in New York
City, standing room only, not just
standing room only. There's crowds of
dozens of people on the sidewalk like
craning their faces to look through the
door to watch mass happen from outside
of the building. Taylor Swift Taylor
Swift concert. People are in the car
park outside. mainstream media is
running all these fun headlines saying
the hottest club in New York City is
Catholic Mass, which I love because that
is the heart of our generation, right?
In the midst of all of the questions and
all of the confusion and all of the
anxiety and depression and wondering
what comes next,
>> we are finding a common answer again in
the one thing that binds all of humanity
together, and that is our creation in
God's divine image.
Are you worried about people turning it
into a self-branding lifestyle? I've
seen some photos of the people that are
attending some of these churches. Seems
to be um the stylists are working
overtime. It was like fuller faces of
makeup than I might
>> That's New York. I mean, I'm not wildly
shocked by that.
>> You understand what I mean, though,
right? that you turn religion into a
self-branded lifestyle thing that it's
cool to go because it's cool to go as
opposed to because you're genuinely
engaging with it on a spiritual level.
>> Honestly, no. I'm not wildly worried by
that. Frankly, if it was cool to go to
mass, that is a win in and of itself.
That is indicative of a culture that is
healing very, very quickly in real time.
There will always be sin and there will
always be brokenness. There will always
be people embracing worship of self over
worship of God. That has been true since
before Jesus Christ even was incarnate,
came to earth as a man. But
the transcendent truth of the church and
the pathway to eternal life that it
leads is always going to be there. Jesus
said himself when he established the
church, the gates of hell will never
prevail against this as he handed the
keys to Peter. And they haven't yet and
they never will. So sure, there there
may be some bad actors here and there.
There always have been. Not bad actors,
just very well-dressed actors that might
be using it. I look, uh, if you're
guided by pizza, I actually think that
that's probably about as good of a front
end.
>> That's how they sell things on college
campuses, right? Free pizza.
>> It's a good front end of the funnel. But
then I've also seen it cuz I went to
Austin Ridge Bible Church, uh, which I
went on Easter Sunday last year and that
was the first time that I've been to a
one of these larger experiences.
>> Yeah,
>> there was pyrochnics. That's a lot.
>> I I turned up and the first I pulled
into the the car park and the number
plate of the car that I pulled in behind
said God now on this supercar. It was a
Corvette soft top Corvette dude with
Oakley sunglasses on. This is
this is not like the church that I used
to go to in the UK. Like this wasn't the
sort of thing that we would go to on
Christmas when we were in primary school
and stuff like that. That was different.
And
there was a band and there was
pyrochnics
and it was different. But it now seems
like even that is not
not not stable but
>> not in vogue maybe.
>> Yeah. just to some degree because I've
also been to the young adults whatever
it is night here with my friend Keegan
and we went there and that was a lighter
version but you know it wasn't Easter
Sunday so it wasn't going to be the full
pyrochnics thing but still a band still
very youthful etc
but it seems like people are looking for
something that's even more sort of
deeply cemented than just that
>> yeah 100% I grew up Catholic I kind of
explored some Protestantism ism a little
bit in college in my early 20s but
reverted as we say I'm a revert back to
the Catholic church in my mid20s and
I've talked to a lot of my friends even
my husband who grew up Protestant and
eventually came to the Catholic church
in their adult life and they say that
there was this growing movement in our
childhood really late 90s early 2000s
called making churches more seeker
friendly this was a huge initiative and
a huge push largely to attract
millennials who were falling away from
the church at dramatic rates and
embracing atheism at an unexpected level
that we didn't ever previously encounter
in American history. And so the way that
they saw a solution for this was to make
the church more like the world and do
the fun trendy music and the pyrochnics
and the smoke machines on stage and a
drummer and text church to 77635 if you
want to accept Jesus today. And sure, I
think that's a noble cause to want to
bring more people to the faith. But in
the process of making the church more
seeker friendly, I think you've also
watched the church, not just the
Catholic Church, but the church at large
degrade the value of truth and
safeguarding truth from the world to be
more malleable, just like our secular
culture. There's this crazy video, I'm
not sure if you guys are able to pull it
up, of a pastor, I think it's in
Minnesota, Wisconsin, somewhere up in
the Midwest, uh a female pastor reciting
the Sparkle Creed on Sunday morning. And
this has gone mega viral several years
in a row, but it's come to my attention
there are church congregations actually
reciting this every single Sunday. Not
the Apostles Creed or the Nyine Creed,
our statement of faith that we wrote
before we really even had a cannon of
scripture 2,000 years ago. The sparkle
creed that says I believe in the
non-binary God. I believe in Jesus who
wore this rainbow tunic and had two dad.
Oh, yeah. Here it is. Here it is. This
is good. This is what happens when you
make the church too seeker friendly
because it becomes like the world.
>> Today in the words of the sparkle creed,
I believe in the non-binary God whose
pronouns are plural. I believe in Jesus
Christ, their child, who wore a fabulous
tunic and had two dads and saw everyone
as a sibling child of God. I believe in
the rainbow spirit who shatters our
image of one white light and refracts it
into a rainbow of gorgeous diversity. I
believe in the church of everyday saints
as numerous, creative and resilient as
patches on the ace quilt whose feet are
grounded in mud and whose eyes gaze at
the stars in wonder. I believe in the
calling to each of us that love is love
is love. So beloved, let us love. I
believe glorious God, help my unbelief.
Amen.
>> That's what they're saying at church on
Sunday morning when you try to make the
church become more like the world. And
that is what Gen Z is unabashedly
rejecting because we already know the
brokenness of the secular world. We're
living it. We feel it in ourselves. We
want something transformative that's
going to try to make this world more
like the next one and bring us away from
a life of sin and towards a life of
actual saintthood. And I think our
generation is really leading the way. In
fact, it's the first time in modern
history that people in their 20s, the
youngest group of adults are more likely
to go to church on Sunday morning than
their parents and their grandparents
are.
>> That speaks volumes.
>> You optimistic about the future?
>> Intensely. Always. I don't think there's
any room for black pilling politically
or culturally. Frankly, we just don't
have time for that, honestly, if we
really want to make a difference in this
life. Um, but I am I'm optimistic about
the direction of our country led by
young people. I'm optimistic that it
feels like we're returning to our
identity as one nation under God and
seeking a higher moral guidance than
just what happens to be trending on
TikTok or what your favorite politician
had to say 5 minutes ago. I think people
are much more deeply introspective today
about the contribution that we're
bringing to society and wanting to leave
something behind that's more than our
bank account but a legacy of our family
and our children. Uh and at the very
least we don't have time to be
pessimistic because we got a lot of work
to do, right? We haven't arrived at the
revival of America that I think so many
of us are fighting for. And not just
America, Western civilization and the
decline of the values that made the West
so unique. In order to get there, you
have to keep being a happy warrior or
eventually you end up just throwing in
the towel and joining with the forces of
evil.
>> Heck yeah. Isabelle Brown, ladies and
gentlemen,
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