Billy is an unusual human being who has
had the most painful. You have your arm
ripped off your body and all of your
teeth smashed at the same time and
you're delirious for 30 days because
they amputate what's remains of your arm
without anesthetic. And he all this time
until he was about the age of 16, he
claims to have been tutored by this man
named Svath Sf a TH who was at that time
supposedly around 900 years of age. This
is a thread that when you pull it, the
sweater starts unraveling.
>> Why Billy? Like why won't why won't
Patah or some Yaz or any of these beings
just come to the podcast? Come sit down,
have a chat, let the world know. But
let's ask ourselves if this man has
indeed taken 1,200 or so UFO photos
and uh they've been authenticated. Why
would he go to the trouble of falsifying
making some kind of a crazy craft that
would really be oh can't be real? Why
would he blow his his story [music]
here? To me, I'm, you know, I'm I'm I'm
pretty convinced that that was not a
genuine this was this was hoax. The UFOs
that are being seen around the world,
this is not ours because ours are not
UFOs. We know what the craft are and we
know who's flying them.
>> You said, "Well, Billy was special."
>> Well, I mean, as soon as we say special,
we think there's an exalted status
there.
>> Well, there kind of is with him. There
is the chosen one aspect to this. If we
can deal with the information at the
level that it's intended, if you will,
for our development, for our evolution,
and Billy has said the meaning of life
is the evolution of consciousness.
>> One of the weirder things that's
happened to me, my man, in 2012, I was
working at a Shoppers Drug Mart in
Ottawa, Ontario. That's cash. Uh it was
lunch rush, utterly typical day. this
white guy, dark hair, business casual,
like maybe 30-ish, approached, my cash
with a chocolate bar or something. When
I looked up to ask if he'd found
anything, everything like I looked into
his eyes and suddenly I was looking
through his eyes at myself behind the
counter. It was a one Mississippi, two
Mississippi kind of thing, but it felt
like it stretched on. And then I was
back in my own body. He looked at me
with like a smirk, you know, like he
knew. And I sold him his thing. He
walked out. I didn't have time to
process it. Uh, next customer, next
customer. It was weird. I was strangely
Peter naturally calm throughout. Anyway,
see you in Vancouver, man. Front row.
>> Okay. Well, we're already rolling, so
let's get into it.
>> Fantastic.
>> Uh, yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, today
I'm joined by UFO researcher, I would
say, but also
uh advocate for the Billy Meyer case, I
would say. maybe even goes so far as to
saying um a representative
>> of Billy Meyer.
>> Now if there's anyone
that is contentious in this space you
know there are a few names that you can
drop and instantly you know people will
start feuding and two of those names are
are Bob Lazar and Billy Meyer. And at
the uh at the end of my interview, as
you know and as the audience might know,
with Bob Lazar, we were discussing the
Billy Meyer photo uh the photo book. And
in there, Bob Lazar pointed out
obviously the sports model or the beam
ship as u as it's aptly named that that
was a one forone match that was pretty
identical and Bob was kind of blown
away. Now, Bob and myself both agree
like the later stuff is a little
questionable. Um, and a lot of people
would agree with that as well, and we'll
get into all that,
>> but I wanted to, you reached out after
that, and I thought, what a great
opportunity to, you know, have someone
who's basically a spokesperson for
Billy, who's been around Billy Meyer a
bunch of times, who's been at his sort
of institute that he has over there,
who's uh, studied all of the contact
cases, and there are a lot of contact
cases, over a thousand.
>> Oh, the reports.
>> The reports, right? and I've made, you
know, documentaries about it, researched
this stuff through and through. So, I
thought, you know, what a great
opportunity to have an expert on this
stuff and to help fill me and my
audience in on who this character is and
why he's so important and why we're
talking about him today. So, welcome,
Michael Horn.
>> Thank you very much, Chris. It is truly
a um not only a pleasure and an honor,
but it's a rarity to be honest with you
that an outreach to people that have
considerable platforms and interest and
knowledge in the field will actually
respond to a request to discuss the
Meyer material on their platform. It's
not that it doesn't or hasn't happened,
but it is fairly a rarity. Yeah.
>> So, I thank you for that.
>> Well, absolutely. It's my my pleasure
and and I'm glad that you, you know,
traveled all the way. I know you guys
are on the West Coast. you traveled all
the way from the west coast to come here
and so I thank you for taking that
journey and uh and trusting me to help
tell your story. Uh you know I guess we
can start a little bit for the audience
at home who might not be familiar with
Billy Meyer. The most famous Billy Meyer
reference would definitely be that you
know poster that appears in pretty much
every XFiles episode. the I want to
believe uh the cropped version of a
Billy Meyer photo. So maybe let's start
there and maybe if you could introduce
us to who this Billy Meyer guy is and
why and why we should care about him a
little bit. Sure. I'll just start with
Billy Meyer is a now 89year-old man who
claims that since the age of five he has
been meeting with human beings from
another star system that they have
tutored him from that age that from the
age of five he has gone on board with
them and on his own to go designated
places especially
in and around and on the earth and off
earth uh let's say within our solar
system and beyond I like to say
according to the information in the case
and we can talk about what we think is
you know uh proof beyond a reasonable
doubt and all of that so
to describe Billy at this point would be
to say that after uh about 22 trips that
I've gone to Switzerland taken to
Switzerland and met with him each time.
Spend some time. Sometimes it's a half
hour, sometimes it's an hour and a half.
And uh had an opportunity to get my own
sense of the person to try to frankly
and quite honestly try to trick him into
revealing that he was hoaxing on four
different occasions at least.
I came away and I each time with a sense
that I had just spent time with a very
genuine human being.
And people very often, this is, let's
say, a little divergent to say that
there are people that write and say,
"Oh, I really want to go and meet Billy.
I want to go and talk to Billy and blah
blah blah blah." Which used to be more
possible in the years past. There have
been any number of things that have
contributed to Billy's not just meeting
with people uh with that kind of an
openness any longer. uh some of that
reason is threats and attempts on his
life that have a total 28 by now. So I
say to them, listen, I understand it
would be great. I know I sat, you know,
sat with the man. We've spoken about
things. We sat outside and had coffee.
We've been in the office many number of
times. But if you want to get to know
Billy,
the best way is to enter into the blog
or another site that has what are called
the contact notes or contact reports
currently and study them. Read them. You
will find that this man reveals himself
as he's revealing
massive amounts of information. Tens of
thousands of pages he's published so
far.
and you will be able to determine for
yourself more about the genuiness or
lack thereof of the person as well as
have the opportunity to spend as much or
as little time as you want reading the
content.
So I don't know if that's exactly
responsive to what you were asking. I
could be more specific and say, you
know, I feel Billy is this kind of a
person or that kind of person or all.
But so many people that do hear about
him, that have heard about him, express
this. Oh, I really want I can I call
him? Well, can I I'm saying look um he's
a busy person, you know, at this age
even he has a he has a lot of
responsibilities. You can realize that
from the read, but you can
learn more about who the man is from
what he's expressed. And the content
dates back to 1946
when he was something like 9 years old
and was publishing information,
disseminating it. And when you read
things that this man as a boy was
publishing, you're going to think, well,
who wrote this for a 9-year-old boy? And
that kind of thing. So I don't want to
carry on too long.
>> Sure. Yeah. No, I think it's very
interesting and you know you mentioned
that when he was 9 years old that he had
these uh that he was writing these
documents and that you know some would
perceive that to be you know someone of
a much greater age maybe 30 or 35 years
old. Um so the writing level was already
extremely elevated for his age at that
time. But the interesting thing is when
you speak to Billy or when you hear him
speak rather he doesn't come off as the
way he writes uh he comes off a lot
simpler.
>> Mhm.
>> Just a very sort of uh simp simple
worded person. Doesn't look for the most
descriptive words or is kind of just
very fundamental in how he speaks. Very
clear and and simply communicative. Um,
and so, you know, it is already
anomalous that you have these papers
that are written with such a high level
of vernacular, uh, versus listening to
him speak. Yes. A couple things about
that. One, um, he did by the time he was
nine and 10, as you just alluded to, it
is said that he had the thinking
capacity of a 35year-old adult.
And he all this time until he was about
the age of 16 from 5 to 16 he claims to
have been tutored by this man named
Svath SF f a t who was at that time
supposedly around 900 years of age. We
have drawing illustrations of some of
the people. You can see the
representation. They look pretty much
like we do in this. But it was also
revealed in the documents in the
conversations when Meyer is speaking
with some of the modernday people that
he's in contact with and people that
he's been in contact with for 50 plus
years.
So much of what his interactions
uh and his learning was about that
trajectory as a young boy and it sounds
in a sense like science fiction. So, I'd
like to say according to the information
of the case because there are things
that otherwise
uh just seem off the charts.
>> Yeah. Don't comport.
>> Yeah. It's like what are you talking
about? And uh there's nothing to believe
in this case. Literally nothing. And
they never ask for belief when I say
they. Neither Meyer nor the alleged
extraterrestrials. They speak and they
speak in terms that are, as you said,
plain and simple and clear. uh clear
enough to convey any concepts we need.
There are times they will say in your
terminology according to your science
it's expressed this way and they said we
don't tend to create a rarified language
that elevates one group above another
but it doesn't mean that there aren't
words even Latin words can can and are
used to describe things that are
appropriate especially in your world but
for the most part we try to communicate
what is and I think I I've said this a
while ago So I said this when I was
reading something from I think his name
is Douglas VO or Vakov
seti and he was talking about when
contact takes place it will be in the
language of mathematics
and you know kind of showbiz kind of
talk I guess uh you know fancy things
are supposed to be done that way and my
response to that was and I sent it to
him we are being contacted and communic
communicated in the language of science
but in clear terminology uh you will
find that there is an enormous amount of
scientific information in this case
we've done our best to vet as you and I
know uh when certain things were
published we will look to see especially
if they seem like they have been in the
body of information discussed published
going back to 1975 46 whatever ver we
will look to see is this something that
Billy had published
because I have looked to what I
considered to be a higher standard of
proof. I know we'll get into the
>> UFOs and all, but I I I found another
way of looking at the material to like
kind of vet its authenticity. And as
I've also said, uh starting to do this
back in the 80s, in the relatively early
days, you'd say, of you know, online
searching and what have you. I got uh to
the best of my knowledge, and there are
other people that come forward to also
contribute to this. I wasn't the only
person doing it to find out because
Billy didn't write about everything
before everybody else or before all the
scientists discovered it in to the best
of our knowledge he there's a
sufficiently large and
what's the best term for that? Uh
>> compendium. Yeah, a compendium with an
unlikely number of confirmed and
corroborated items that would exceed
chance, probability, hoaxing, etc. When
taken when we take into account that
which is known about the man, not just
from his writing, but from the
investigative team that spent time over
years with him watching, observing,
uh, you know, checking things that he he
would hand over evidence.
So, we've tried our best to see what can
we show is authentic. And let of course
we put this all out. like other people
do who are interested so that people can
determine the truth for themselves.
>> And I like that I like that about you
because you know we we discussed for
hours yesterday and we're going to kind
of rehash a lot of that discussion
because you know part of me really
couldn't wait to dive into this as you
know now I'm a
>> I'm a seasoned magician like I I have
skeptical uh a skeptical nature about
the way that I approach every subject
but I'm not a skeptic. I'm open to,
you know, a fluctuating level of
conviction. I I want to I want to be
taken in these directions and I want to
be immersed in these stories and see
what I can, you know, connect myself and
and how I can make sense of this.
>> Yes.
>> Rather than dismiss it outright or
believe it outright. And um
>> it it becomes it becomes difficult with
Billy's case, particularly for a lot of
people. I I speak I can speak for
myself, but I I know I'm speaking for
many people at the same time. Uh when
you look at when you begin with the
photos.
>> Mhm.
>> And so for a lot of people, it's hard to
get to the, you know, to the to the
writing and to the contact reports if it
means I have to acknowledge that the
photos are authentic. They they there's
a disconnect there. Like I'm why would I
why would I spend all my time reading
all this if I don't believe this, right?
And that's fair. And so for me it was a
little bit of the same at first. Uh but
you know again one thing that raised my
conviction incredibly was the fact that
this initial craft the one in 1975 I
believe uh that was taken in Switzerland
the one that you know the beautiful
>> composition of this photo is immaculate.
It's a really beautiful photo. I don't
care regardless of what you think about
its authenticity. It's a beautiful photo
and I'm a big fan of photography and
film photography and it was a really a
nice framing and I think that's what
made it so iconic, you know, is that it
was there was some beauty to it as well
and seeing that seeing Bob's reaction to
it and then knowing getting to know Bob
I have no choice but to at this point
with what I know from Bob's story and
you know I've met the man and as you
know when you meet someone it's it's a
different it's a different level of
conviction that you can now have and not
everybody has that luxury to meet Billy.
or to meet Bob. Uh but we've had those
luxuries individually
>> respectively and and we can then sort of
formulate perhaps a deeper understanding
of the story a little bit a little bit
better uh from like a personal sort of
level. Yeah. Exactly. And so knowing Bob
and knowing that this craft is pretty
much identical, if not just in uh in
look, but maybe not in size so much, but
it is an identical match physically to
the other one.
>> And you know, my brain instantly goes,
well, there are there are only a few
options here, right? These are the
options that we must consider. One
option being, okay, Billy made it up.
Bob made it up. That's that's the first
option we got to get out of the way. And
a lot of people that's what they think
and it's fair. You can you can you know
go with that. Um I choose to look deeper
to see if there's maybe another option
here. Next option would be okay. The
craft was authentic
and then the craft that Bob was shown
was like a replica of that, right?
Perhaps some Loheed Martin deep
underground black military project. Uh
they were, you know, soping Bob or
whatever it is, whatever you want to go
to. And then there's
there I mean there's a few more options,
but the other obvious option is well,
it's authentic and so is this.
>> And that's the one I like exploring
because to me it's the one that's filled
with the most wonder. And I I think it's
an interesting path to take. Plus, with
all the evidence that we have before us,
it becomes really compelling.
However, we get to a bit of a fork in
the road when it comes to the later
photos and namely the the uh what's
known as the wedding cake
>> UFO
>> UFO you know aptly named it looks like a
wedding cake and as someone you know as
a photographer myself I have found uh
personally just by looking at it and
without having to do any deep
spectronomy or anything like that just
some uh imperfections or inconsistencies
with reality when taking photos from
objects and and mainly due to my
background in illusion. Uh there's a
forced perspective that simply doesn't
work for me and that wasn't optimized
when taking these photo. There's a
certain I'll put it up here, but there's
a certain um formula that you have to
follow when you're doing this type of
stuff. and online um online people like
uh Zack King. I don't know if you're
familiar, but there's like a he uses um
this type of principle uh pretty much in
every video and ends up fooling the
audience at home.
>> And so there are certain laws that you
have to obey and it seems to me like
they were not obeyed in the instances in
some of the instances regarding the
wedding cake UFO.
So, that's where I stopped initially.
And I'm giving you the long and I I I
want to hear your thoughts on this, but
I also want the audience to know how I
feel about it because I think it's
important that they know where I'm
coming from.
>> That's where I stopped initially because
the skeptic in me is like, well, I'm
going to throw the baby out with the
bath water at this point. But then Bob
showed up and Bob's like, "No, that's
it." And now I got to reconsider either
that wedding cake UFO is also real or
the one's real and the one's fake.
>> Right? These are both really interesting
options. And uh and that's kind of where
I was at with everything. And then, you
know, obviously looking a little bit
more into the contact cases and the
contact reports. Now I'm back in because
this is very interesting because now
we're talking about like legitimate
facts that we can actually look
>> Oh, yes.
>> up. Oh yeah. And uh and I think that's
where we're at currently. So I want to
go through some of the photo stuff. I
want to definitely go through the
contact stuff and and some of the
witness reports from other people around
Billy, but then I'd like to end up maybe
going a little deeper into, you know,
some of the prophecies or some of the,
you know,
>> the tales if you will. Um so let's start
here. The wedding cake UFO.
>> Okay. I want to say
as an overriding response
because I am not a photographic expert.
Uh
I have mainly focused on researching the
information and we could say I'm
matching is this can match this can? Oh,
okay. Now I can report that there are
these two cans that match. This one
doesn't match. So, I am not
knowledgeable about how the can was made
and when it was. I just want to really
be clear. There are a couple people uh
Francisco Vilatte and Chris Lockach who
have written extensively about well the
wedding cake craft plus the so-called
pendulum UFO. And
>> that's the video. Yeah, that's one of
the craft in the video. There's several
films.
There's eight films remaining. Billy had
taken more. They got they disappeared.
Stolen is what we understand. But I will
say a couple things about the wedding
cake craft.
For instance, there is the nighttime
series is this object. Skeptics have
said it's a it now they've used a model
and painted it gold and they
photographed it against the black
curtain. So, one of the things that
happened when uh Chris and Francisco
were doing their analyses and all, they
took one of those photographs where that
it's pitch black behind the craft and
here's this gold thing glowing. Then it
was I in otherwise seemingly identical
to the silver craft and they dropped it
into Photoshop. In other words, a
technology that I am also not expert in.
And the information is they adjusted
they played with contrast and
brightness. Lo and behold
this object instead of appearing as a
model [clears throat] maybe suspended by
a string or what have you now appears to
be a large object hovering over a
graveled road. And on that road there is
one of those I think they're meter high
white posts. They appear in different
countries in Europe where they're
marking the roads. They have these white
posts. They're about a meter high, best
of my recollection. And then there's a
grassy hillside that curves up behind
it. Now, two photographs, one that they
did, and somebody else did a similar
enlargement. They took it right off, you
know, the the internet and played with
it. And both of them got the the same
kind of uh, you know, background. And
both of them also got uh kind of an
energetic field that seemed to be
present. I don't know how and why. As I
say, I'm not a high-tech guy. I thought
that that since that was never anything
that Billy spoke about, he didn't say,
"Well, if you'll do this, you'll see
it's real." Never does any of that type
of thing. He says, "This is what
happened. Here are the photographs. Have
a nice day." You know, and he'll answer
questions about things or did certainly
in the past. Photographs have been
analyzed. There's we have analyses
online, especially of the earlier craft.
The other thing about the wedding craft
wedding craft the wedding cake UFO is
that in the black backgrounded gold
object photographs I happen to notice
this is going back about 10 years or so.
I don't I've been going to Switzerland
for over 20 or so. Somewhere in there at
home I'm looking at I said wait a minute
there's a difference in the
configuration
in the dimension here on this object
where something was like this you know
together in this there's a koopala kind
of or I guess now
this has got a different dimension
there's a burnished band here and
nobody's talked about this why is that
so I asked Billy I said Billy it appears
to me that this is elevated here. What
is that? And he says, "Oh, yes. It's
like they have a a room, you would say,
like with a shower. It's more space up
there. They've raised that up." So, in
one of the contact reports, Billy
discusses that with one of the alleged
extraterrestrials. Michael, you know,
came up with this thing. I don't know
how he knows this, but uh and the ET
says, "Yes, well, you know, of course,
we have an extra space that is created
that way." I thought now if a guy's a
model maker and I should say that
certainly in the earlier days when I I
nosed around the property quite a bit to
see what do they have here, what are
their tools and all that. So I saw there
was this shed and the door was open. I
walked over to see what kind of nice
fine Swiss watchmaking stuff Billy must
have socked away to make these great
models. Well, there's a tractor. There's
a bunch of shovels. There's a bunch of
different kinds of gardening stuff. And
I had also been, of course, in different
rooms in this center, which is a
renovated farmhouse that Billy quite
literally single-handed since he has one
hand. Uh did a great deal of work on
himself before people came to gather
around to study this material and to
help him on the property.
I never found anything. I was never,
you know, seeing any evidence of
anything that was really fine machining
kind of stuff. The people there are
people of the land of the earth. They
drive tractors and they do this stuff
and and Billy uh just as a side note if
I may in observing him and in speaking
to people, he's about the most
knowledgeable person pertaining to the
in the environment, the the plants, the
biology of things, where to plant
things. Now he had assistance with some
of that planning ostensibly. There are
things describing one of the
extraterrestrials using a device saying
for this species of tree it will do
better over here where these readings
are kind you know there's thousands of
pages of stuff. So I don't want to go
too far a field because I get excited
about running down these roads. I never
and I met the people that were working
with them. There's a very kind of
kermogyny guy there named Yakobis. I
when we made our first film over there,
I started to refer to him as diesel
because this is a guy all the tractor
work and you go there and they are busy
all the time. They're very clever that
they have a meeting for the people
around the world who want to come and
participate late May as spring is coming
and all you nice folks can meet each
other and help us clear the land at the
same time and learn about things. And I
always wanted to get involved with
getting stuff out of the forest and
building the fires once I knew that that
was an option. And I had to do other
things the first trip or two. Go in the
garden and pull weeds. Let's see what
you can handle here. And there's many
things that occurred in these
interactions and they're they're sweet
memories. So my experience was that the
people were very grounded. They were
genuine. There was none of this I'm a
meeting with the space brothers kind of
stuff that is ubiquitous in eupfology
and Billy is just
probably the most knowledgeable person
that I know of that have read and I'm
not the best read person but this is a
human being who knows things and freely
communicates them. If you ask the right
question you get the right answer.
Nothing mystical there.
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>> So, going back to the wedding cake uh
UFO and
you know, there are a few things that I
that I noticed because I know that a lot
of your photographic
>> um summaries or analysis happened for
the ones that were at a distance, not so
much the ones that were uh the nighttime
close ones with the little car and the
little shrub like those weren't analyzed
um in in this body of work. Um I think
but we can we can double check that. Um
those are the ones that I that I take
the most issue with and I I would say I
wouldn't necessarily think they were
point painted gold. I think I
>> light source.
>> Yeah cuz the light source was probably a
really warm light and you know by the
size of the light source being cast on
that object it would have had to been a
massive light source if that craft was
40t large or 20 feet or whatever it is
uh 15 to 20 I think. But regardless, it
would have had to been like a
football-sized, you know, light shining
on that because of the reflective
nature. If you have a craft that large
with a regular light source, like a
flashlight or anything else, um, you
would just have a small spot on it. Now,
the idea here is that the craft was
emanating that light, which I, you know,
I don't see, and I do see a reflection,
um, a lighter part. So now one thing
does have to be mentioned is that you'd
mentioned that Billy was a model maker.
Now
>> no,
>> he's not a modelaker,
>> but he built models.
>> No. Uh I was looking to see if he did.
He had once, as I recall, he had said
that he had tried to make a model.
>> I see.
>> And there were uh some younger people
who made some models for him and a you
know that he put in his office. Little
things, you know, because he is
onehanded. He's one arm. He has one arm
>> and he's very capable. So it's not like
he's not cap I've you know he but I've
never seen him do any what I would call
fine
>> I see
>> work. And the other thing about the
craft and the light, just to be clear,
um, yes, I think you're correct that if
that was illuminated from outside, but
what was shown in the manipulated uh,
Photoshop application to the photo was
an emanation not of a light source
illuminating the craft, but around it,
uh, some form of energy thing. And when
the early analyses of the originals were
done,
>> yeah,
>> there are photographs they use some kind
of thermography and detected uh
different heat signatures represented by
different colors. You'll understand this
better than I will. And we, you know, we
have all that that that stuff was done
in the 70s with earlier computers and
what have you. But this is where when
people have come forward to make models
>> sure
>> and they won't subject him to computer
analysis
uh Billy's were subject he just turned
everything over that he turned over the
metal samples the sound recordings he
made on out in a big field with you know
15 20 eyewitnesses and people would come
on one of those occasions at least
people came from four kilometers away
because of the sounds that were
emanating from above. And of course when
you see the the photographs and all
there's places they're standing in a big
empty field. There's no big speakers.
And as for you know a large light also
that kind of a thing. Oh, he's taking
all these photos at night. Is the guy
running around with or accompllices
setting up lights and all this stuff? Or
could it could it be genuine? Everybody
has to go through that themselves that
are interested. I think it's it's pretty
compelling the looked different.
>> I mean, yeah, it can be debated because
there are um you know, especially with
the photos where it appears that the
craft is really close to the camera,
like a it looks like a smaller object
close to the camera. There's always a
frame that's out of frame. There's
always a a part of the UFO that's not,
you know, so if you were onehanded, as
it were, you know, might be, you know,
put on the automatic timer, hold it
there, get your photo. Um, but there is
a there seems to be especially with the
car I I say this one because it's the
most like striking visually uh photo
that's available in terms of um
detecting Yeah. detecting issues. Your
brain will automatically instantly go
that's not real.
>> Um and that is because there is a ratio
that isn't being respected. like um uh I
know I explained this a little bit
yesterday, but when you when you open up
your aperture to like f15 or f16, which
means uh there's less depth of field for
your photo. So, normally like these
cameras now that we're filming on, I
think it's at 1.8, and 1.8 is very
tight. Yeah.
>> Now, it has facial recognition, so if I
move back or forth, I'm still going to
be in focus.
>> But if that were manually focused, I'd
be here and I'd be out of focus. So, by
putting it to f14, you're now bringing
in um you're bringing in actually uh
less light and you're opening it up
more. And now we get to see, you know, a
wider range of depth of field. And that
would be necessary if you're taking
landscape photos of a UFO um and you
can't necessarily focus in. The problem
is that the only time an object will be
that out of focus when you're shooting,
you know, something with um with an
f-stop of like 8 to 15 16 is when
something is close to the camera lens.
And I mean like inches away. And so in
this one instance, we have this what you
know what appears well a car, but it
seems incredibly out of focus. And does
the shrub
>> but the craft is in focus. So already
there's there's a difference in distance
between these two things, but also it
gives me the information that this
object is very close to the camera. And
the only way that that can be is if this
object was very small, size of a toy
car, say. And so that's where, you know,
that's where I go, okay, to me, I'm, you
know, I'm I'm pretty convinced that that
was not a genuine like this was this was
hoax, this photo particularly.
Where does that leave me on the
conviction of Billy Meer? Does my
conviction go down? Yes. Does it go down
all the way down to zero? No. And that's
where I come back because now we have
this photo, this other photo of the of
the craft that can't be debunked,
>> right?
>> Yeah.
>> Well, let me throw a little stuff in
here.
>> Sure.
when uh you are familiar from our film
that I was interrogated if you will uh
for over a period of about I guess five
six months whatever it was from January
oh yes 3 months and then he the fellow
returned in August 5 months later
this guy was a skeptic he approached me
in a very blunt way and it was fine uh
are you sure you want to talk about this
case yes why do you ask because I think
it's a hoax oh okay well let's go and he
wouldn't didn't tell me who he was. And
finally, I learned that this was a
retired United States Air Force Office
of Special Investigation. Wow.
>> Department of Defense case supervisor
and investigator
or case investigator and supervisor,
however, that worked. And he came back
and he said, "I'm going to tell you
about your Billy Meyer case and first
you have to look on your email
and what do you see?" I had opened my
email. And I said, "Well, I see a
tabletop with a bunch of looks like
citations." He says, "Can you read
those?" I said, "Well, I can see some of
those Air Force." And he says, "Yes."
You know, and it was significant. It was
literally a tabletop covered and that
which I could make out. So, I knew who I
was, whoever I was speaking with,
because I only knew his name was Joe at
this point, uh, had good credentials. He
he had access to this stuff. And then he
said, "Okay, now please delete it and
let's go on and talk about your Billy
Meyer case." So, as I say, I tell the
story in the film. I don't want to
recap everything.
He came to the conclusion he and he
explained why, and we can talk as much
or as little about that as you wish. He
said, "Your Billy Meyer case is 100%
ironclad, authentic, and I will take on
any skeptics in your behalf." And then
after he had taken on a couple skeptics
in eupfology and he said sorry
retracting the offer these people don't
understand investigation they literally
have things backwards. So I'm going to
write you an article whereby anybody if
they will just walk through these steps
and the core of it will be means motive
and opportunity and all that we can
explain how you can go through that. But
he also said something else. He said,
"Look, this man
knew, maybe still knows when and where
to go that he will have the opportunity
to shoot at least a whole roll of 35 mm
photographs. He will be able to shoot 8
mm films." So, we're elevating the
complexity of things a bit in certain
ways. There's situations where he'll
shoot both and and you'll have a video
such as in the wedding. The wedding
cake. Yeah.
>> And he said he explained that if you
have this much
evidence
um it's going to make the authenticity
of this part of the case he's the logic
also being and I don't dismiss you've
got to find out did he hoax us but let's
ask ourselves if this man has indeed
taken 1,200 or so UFO photos of eight
films that remain of video and uh
they've been authenticated by also
visually by you know former the late
astronaut Gordon Cooper the
investigators came to my home with these
I know them we looked at it's real this
is this man is meeting with extra okay
it's an opinion astronauts are fairly
well trained also in certain aspects
people again have to determine for
themselves but the question is if a man
goes through all that we know that
Meyers or deals of going out because a
lot of things you have to go over here
it's 40 km from your house yes it's
snowing but just show up at this time
it's daytime it's night time whatever
and people yes there are people trying
to kill you and that we know that is
authentic even trying to kill him in his
home so he has to be careful where he
goes why would he and let alone how why
would he go to the trouble of falsifying
making some kind of a crazy craft that
would really be oh can't be real. Why
would he blow his his story here? And
that's just a question that I can leave.
Now we can speculate and people can say
well the reason he would do that is
doesn't and so but the UFO material as
you've already acknowledged that and
I've stated it's the eye candy. gets you
in or doesn't to looking at the Billy
Meyer UFO case or as I from the
beginning called it the Billy Meyer
contacts and oftentimes I leave the UFO
out of it. I started leaving the UFO out
of it in a lot of things starting in
2004 because I had already seen certain
information that told me, wait a minute,
this is more important than UFOs. Well,
how can anything be more important than
UFOs and eupfology? They're not part of
euphology. As Billy wrote and wrote it
even again recently,
we are uh the UFOs that are being seen
around the world and they have given
information on their version of where,
how, who, this is not ours because ours
are not UFOs. We know what the craft are
and we know who's flying them. They're
very, it's like that cute literal, you
know, we are Germanic and we are going
to explain this this way to you. Okay,
maybe you do and maybe you don't, but
that that's not us. We don't do that and
you will not be taking any no more
photographs or films of our craft will
be presented because we stopped doing
that at this point. And they told Billy
in about 198182,
no more photo ops. And he says, well,
why? You know, we could bring Well, you
are entering the computer age and as you
will soon learn, if you haven't already,
people are already going to call you a
hoaxer and a liar and a deceiver and
gosh knows what, your life will be at
risk. There's no need for it. This is a
body of evidence that will be analyzed.
uh the photos, the films, the video, the
sound recordings, the metal samples
here, you will turn them over to the
team who will find experts in these
areas and they will determine their
viewpoint on all this stuff. Uh Marcel
Vogle, a scientist with IBM, was one of
those genius types who never, to the
best of my knowledge, got some kind of
degrees. It's just he IBM recognized he
does this. He can do all this. He's the
guy that I believe it was creating the
coding on floppy discs and all this. So
that again out of my league. I don't
know. He does a video and he says
basically with any technology available
to me I cannot make this. This is made
in a cold cold fusion outer space
something.
>> You're talking about the material
>> the metal. Yes. because Billy uh
received allegedly
samples of metals at different stages of
manufacturing.
>> Okay.
>> And in some of the magnifications when
Marshall Vogle was blowing these things
up, hundreds of, you know,
magnifications, he could detect laser
cutings that were extremely I mean this
is
>> that was interesting to me.
>> There are laser cutings here. There are
things within things. These are discrete
relationships of these elements. They're
not just blended in as if they were
heated in an oven. This has a
characteristics
that should be of interest to
metallurgists.
This is a different composition. We
don't have this sound recordings at the
time. They couldn't duplicate them. They
said, "Well, maybe we could if we ran if
we had a bank of synthesizers." And uh
I'm I'll make that sound recording
available to you. It's downloadable.
It's great. I I when we when people get
it from us and they say, "I want that."
I I usually say, "Please don't play this
at night with your car windows down in
neighborhoods where people are touchy
because it's it's this weaving sound
that travels through lots of different
frequencies." And people found some
interesting things in that too. Uh this
Swiss one-armed farmer has come up with
this thing. It's really just if you take
a string and string it across and
vibrate it, you get the same thing.
That's what some people say. Of course,
the readings that they get, don't
>> I don't know about any of that. And you
know, and um I'd love to have a look and
I'd love to have a listen, of course,
and I'll feature it here.
>> Um, you know, but this is again just
like uh there's there's there's so many
>> facets and components and variables
here.
>> I like to I like to hone in on the one
>> that I find dubious. Uh because for me,
you know, if there's anything that I can
gather from that, I can't I don't do any
audio analysis and I can't tell you
where that's from. I can't do any metal
analysis or tell you where that's from,
but when it comes to photos, I'm pretty
good. And when it comes to depth
perception and forced perspective, I'm
really good at that. Um and so that's
the one that for me stands out. Now,
let's put that aside in a separate
category to um so that we can move
forward into another part of the Billy
Meyer stuff because for me, I'm at a
point where okay, let's say on the one
hand that this is 100% this these series
of photos are 100% a hoax.
>> 100% proven. He even admits it. Yeah, it
was a hoax. Sorry. All right, let's say
we live in this universe. um the fact
that the earlier ones
>> um seem to be real, you know, it it
makes this irrelevant because now now we
have something that's fundamentally
real. Now the skeptic out there will
naturally say, "Well, if this is a hoax,
that's a hoax." That's how most people
operate. They take one thing, ah, it
unravels the whole thing. Let's throw
the baby out. I'm a little different.
I'm I'm willing to forgive
transgressions and say, "Okay, maybe
there was a mistake. you're you're
human, you know, and and maybe there's
some error that happened here or some
slight slip of judgment or, you know,
some dark point in your life. I don't
know. But maybe there's a reason for
that that I don't have all the answers
for. But that doesn't take away from
these photos here lining up with Mr.
Lazar's, you know, um, depiction of the
craft.
>> So, once we get beyond this, we go
beyond the photos because Oh, go ahead.
I was going to say there is one thing
that should be said so that you and the
audience understands see
and this you're what you're speaking
about and speaking of in this kind of
acknowledgement comes close to what Joe
Tisk the USAF guy said
>> and he said people don't understand
something and I and he used an analogy I
think I may have spoken about this with
you but he said uh as an investigator
let me use this analogy. There's a man
who's been murdered. He's lying on the
ground. There's a gun. There's a wallet,
ID, fingerprints on the gun, the whole
thing. We've got our man except that
somebody comes forward with a video
taken during the period of time when we
can determine that man was dead. Matter
of fact,
this video, this guy's 2,000 miles away
at a wedding. And we can prove what we
can prove that supersedes this nice
evidence here which otherwise it's a
slam dunk from my perspective
that man his ID there his fingerprints
on the guy he's not there he wasn't
there for that whether or not we can
figure out who's you placed something
that we don't care we have that man
somewhere else and what people in
eupthology don't understand is they have
it backwards. And this is what he said.
One piece of verifiable evidence.
You throw out those inconsistencies if
that's you can prove that. Now, that's
an uncomfortable thing for most people.
In this case, just so people might be a
tad more comfortable what you're
alluding to when you say this other
material that Bob Lazar has looked at
and all there are basically about
580 remaining photographs the other ones
let's say the WC UFO there's 63 photos
in the video so I would say I as it did
say I defer to Francisco and Chris and I
hope that you guys are going to have a
killer conversation about this And
somebody's going to come out and say,
"Well, okay, you're right. Whoever
that's going to be, or I understand
that, or I accept that, or I don't." And
it could be him. It could be you. I
don't know. I'll be very interested in
that. But Joe Tisk made it very clear.
And he said,
"We have not only one authentic photo,
we have roles of them." And I said, as
he said to me, your case is 100%
authentic. And then he also referred
back to auxiliary factors in the case
that he researched that further
supported the authenticity.
>> Yeah.
>> You know how does this vagabond in India
in 1964 which Billy was walk wandering
around with a knapsack. He says because
Billy was interviewed in a prominent
newspaper in India and the the
journalist who interviewed him is
looking through an album with 80 UFO
photos in 1964. Jotis asks where did
this vagabond get 80 UFO photos in 1964
in India? There's no UFOs or us. And you
still have at least a dozen of those,
which we do. And one of them is
phenomenally interesting because it
appears there's a hologram in the photo.
And Billy had explained it. And
there it's just these are primitive
taken with an old Kodak. Uh what do you
call It's It's a one of those boxy
cameras where the thing would
>> the brownie or the like um a Polaroid
>> it looked like but it wasn't a you know
how they slide out and I used to know
what it called because my father had one
and those things uh you had to you know
when you took photographs with that you
it's a crapshoot because this was
relatively primitive stuff. This is 40s
technology and Billy was taking his
photographs at that time in 1964 with
this co early version of a codec.
>> I'll agree. Compelling.
>> Yeah. So there's and then there's the
auxiliary things. Well, the woman who
was a young girl at the ashram in India
in 1964
whose uncle was the head monk, she
became the uh UN, I think was it the
ambassador to the UN or the
representative? I always screw that one
up. From Cambodia for a dozen years at
the UN. Then she retired. She was an
eyewitness at the time. Then she comes
forward at a certain point in the '9s
when people are saying, "Hey, wait a
minute, Miss Chang. You were, we've
heard about this Billy Meyer UFO case.
You were there." "Yes, will I?" No, no,
please come forward. And there was
another woman who was a tutor of hers.
They came forward. They gave a press
conference and she explained where these
photographs were taken that there were a
hundred eyewitnesses to them.
>> And one of the photographs, you see a
woman in the photograph with eight the
lights in the sky quality UFOs. The rest
of the photographs, they were all clear
discs hovering over things. And she just
as fluid as possible. Yes. I remember I
used to uh uh see Billy meeting with
this woman, Ascet. This was his second
alleged contact person. And at times, I
was a young girl at the time, and Ascet
would sometimes come into my room at
night before I'm falling asleep. And she
would hum, sing to me, stroke my hair,
brush my hair, whatever. And in the
morning, I would wake up. I always felt
like I knew more when I woke up than
when I went to sleep. These are just
human beings coming forward with their
perspectives. The guy who interviewed
Billy and and said, "Well, here's this
man and he's got this stuff and he tells
this tale and he doesn't really want
publicity, but okay, this is real life
stuff that precedes by many years, you
know, many years the internet mentality
that we have. I want to be a celebrity.
I want to be famous, but he's a recluse
and he's got good reason to stay when
people are shooting it. You Yes. And all
of that has been documented and I've
talked to 14 eyewitnesses and seen
bullet holes and lead investigator.
Okay. So, in terms of this thing of
well, if this is a hoax, I just throw in
there's a lot to consider. Yes. Um, now
be that as it may,
>> you know, he might have his own reasons
for hoaxing this particular side of the
story. We don't know, right? There might
be a personal thing that we're just not
aware of. We don't know that. Um but
based on, you know, my initial analysis,
I'm more comfortable living in that
scenario.
>> Okay.
>> Um just because my brain cannot
comprehend that being,
>> you know, authentic.
>> Yes. Um, but that being said, I'm
willing to suspend that and move on into
the story and, you know, potentially if
this were the case, forgive that
transgression to move forward and be
like, "Okay, let's look at the other
stuff." much like the stuff you were
talking about now. And before we get
into some of the more factual um
evidence that's easier easier to follow
up like the the the theories and stuff
like this that were given to him
imparted with him um by these beings,
the alleged contacts. Um I want to talk
about some of the eyewitnesses because I
think that's really interesting as well.
Now a lot of people out there will be
like well why only Billy, right? That's
that's like one of the main things. Why
only him? Why not show yourself? Where
is the other evidence?
>> Has anyone else seen these beings?
>> Yes, of course.
>> Well, I'd like I'd like you to elaborate
on that a little bit.
>> Okay. From what I know, uh mo the
sightings of the people are generally
accidental. They're not intended. And uh
there I've talked to people who've seen
either the alleged pllearin people
called this word plleadian that Billy
and they invented. There's no such thing
as pleadians. You can flush that and
they gave that up after a while because
they predicted certain things and it
came true about all these people that
would come forward claiming to be
contactees. Okay. So
>> you're referring to the space brother
movement. Yes. the space brother
movement meetings where
>> Ashtar command and all this stuff.
>> And there was an ah the Ashtar thing is
extremely interesting but I'll wait till
you if you want to get to that.
>> Okay, we'll get to that later. Now I'm
intrigued. Okay,
>> I'm back into Ashtar. Let's go.
[laughter]
>> Should we get to that later?
>> We'll get to it later.
>> Okay. So, um with all of this, you know,
what can you say? Um
>> well the the the witnesses witnesses
let's talk about some of those witnesses
who they are how they came about seeing
these other beings and these craft.
>> Sure. Well let's the uh let's go to the
ones that would be most obvious. His
exwife who uh [clears throat] they had
very acrimonious
relationship 30 years of marriage and
then they got divorced. She had uh was
one of 17 people that they did at using
the technology of the time, voice stress
or whatever, they did lie detector tests
with the people who were around him who
claimed to be eyewitnesses and they all
passed as being authentic. She was one
of them and also his children. He has uh
three adult children
uh Atlantis, Atlant, and Gilgamesha.
And I don't know anything about
Gilgamesha if she's made any comments
but oh wait pardon me Atlantis's stepson
Methuselum is his these are rich names.
Okay. So, uh, Atlantis is featured in
one of our films, and it was one of the
more compelling and moving interviews we
did when we did this film, The Silent
Revolution of Truth. He's one of Billy's
two uh, natural sons. and he spoke about
the difficulty in his life because
his father uh you know he was referred
to as a the son of a spinner I guess
you'd say in German or something you
know he's a liar and a fabricator no so
they're growing up with that and as
children they have seen this these craft
and they know from his father his
father's activities before anybody ever
came to investigate there his father's
disappearing in the middle of the night
and coming back and writing voluminous
stuff and publishing information
starting in 1975. It's getting out in
Europe before it's translated into
English and people are already
interested or attacking him.
the whole dream or nightmare has begun
and he and his siblings were subjected
to a lot of ridicule
and uh when he speaks about this whole
thing I would just say when cuz we were
there my partner and I Jack a German guy
and we're filming him and it's just like
you're feeling what this man is telling
you coming from that emotional place and
just the sense of Oh my god, what have
you gone through in in you know and how
because he was trying to how do I
balance all this in real life and
sometimes it is just too painful and
blah. So this wasn't like well they came
to me and they talked to me and you know
all this stuff that we hear you know
freely floating around in eupfology and
million people have these nice
conversations and all he's an he never
sees to the best of my knowledge he
doesn't see them he sees the ships he's
painted or drawn them as a child but
it's the byproduct of this being a real
thing to this family that he and his
siblings grew up with and that was just
very touching. It was emotional. And
there are other there's over a hundred
eyewitnesses. Some of them are also
multiple eyewitnesses.
>> There's eyewitnesses to the beings as
well.
>> Uh there are there were I think three or
four. I
>> can we talk about those because I'm very
interested in the beings more than the
craft.
>> Yes. And the the woman I knew, her name
was Brun and she was I she was either a
Swiss or a German. Maybe decoya, maybe
she was a German and she described a
very unusual thing. We have it in the
film. She said, if I can recall well, we
did the film over 20 years ago and she
says, "I was walking along and I turned
the corner and where the wall is Billy
built this wall. There was this huge man
reclining on the wall." Turns out, she
says it was this guy Daniel.
And she talks about learning ultimately
I think that he was like 15 ft tall. He
wasn't one of the people in this
playarin group and there's also smaller
people. There's a interesting evidence
from smaller people. We may you get to
that if you want but she said at first I
was very startled but he was there and
then he disappeared. He wasn't there and
I'm going I'm you know relating talking
to herself about it now. you don't get
any
significant content about the people in
the sense uh Meyer's wife had walked in
while they were still together into the
room where the alleged leader of their
race pronounced PT ah like sounds like
the uh ancient god of Egypt PT ah he's
sitting on the couch and unexpectedly
she walks in he's startled little hits
his stomach or something. She says he
disappears because usually all the times
when Billy is meeting with these people,
no one is around to interrupt them.
There was one experience that was a near
fatal tragedy that occurred with one of
the player being there and somebody
making themselves known unexpectedly,
but she saw him. Then later on, she
changes her story. Oh no, Billy's making
models. He's lying about everything.
Some investigation was done by people
and at the time just you know you're
you're talking here a detective story.
This isn't just everything you start
throwing in. Well, what happened at that
time? Some people found out when she was
divorced from Billy and on her own
suddenly her bank account was increased
by five figures in Swiss money. And
there were some people that now she was
affiliated with who were known skeptics
and defamers of Billy. A person, you
know, the saying is a woman scorned. It
could be a man's scorn, too. But this is
real life. It's unpleasant. Billy didn't
have the most harmonious thing. She had
thrown things at him like frying bands.
And this is just like a man reveals his
life. Billy has held nothing back about
his life. this the things he felt he
was, you know, failed at or succeeded
at. He he ran away from Switzerland as a
as a teenage boy because they wanted to
put him into a juvenile detention
center. Well, why? Well, there was a
woman who really hated him. There have
been people who followed him from
childhood and this woman had grabbed a
towel, if I've got this connection
right, and started, I don't know if it
was wet or what, she started to beat him
with it. And he'd had enough. This had
gone on since she he took the talons
slapped her around with it. Well, this
didn't sit well with the legal system.
Billy decides that he thinks he'll take
a trip to the French Foreign Legion and
avoid some consequences, which he did.
And he was in the French Foreign Legion
for a while. And he recognized that
while he was learning how to do certain
things that would be useful in the
world, he did not want to become a
trained killer. And he would return to
Switzerland and face the music, which he
did. And the story also was that he
trudged across the desert. One of the
few people to ever walk out from
wherever he was centered there. I don't
know if it was Elers's what to walk
across the desert and survive it. There
were two men who were trying to also
escape. When they saw him, they followed
him. and he had a canteen and he would
sip from it and pretend that it was
still full of water when it had already
been and shake it in their faces so that
they would want to catch up with him and
get themselves across the desert at the
same time. I don't know how it all
turned out. There are stories here that
go on and on and on. Some things there
are witnesses to, some things there
aren't. But the eyewitnesses to the
craft, there are over a hundred. And as
I've told you, I I'm in I I've had three
sightings of craft.
Very interesting. But I
>> I want to get into those. Um prior to
that, um there are photos in the in the
picture book that depict
whole slew of people just kind of
standing on a hill
>> and behind them in almost like a double
exposure fashion. It was like sometimes
one craft, sometimes two where it was
said that some Yaz was the the you know
the inhabitant of this craft was like
teleporting the craft or something and
but did the people in the photo see
those UFOs as they were there in the sky
or did they was this only revealed after
the photos were to the best of my
knowledge they didn't. However, the
circumstances of that were also
described and you know I I don't know if
the whole story is in the photo book and
you know the photo books in German but
fortunately as I tell people the
photographs are in English.
>> Yeah, I can also read Germans
>> right and all of us can read
photographs. So we had in that there was
a man I don't know his name was
something like Linger Lineer whatever
when this was uh set up when Billy said
I'd like everybody you know you folks to
come to tomorrow to this place open
field and there's trees in the
background and then this man said I want
to you know you're going to take
photographs he says yes he says I want
to purchase and load the film into the
camera before you take the photos and I
want to take that out and be the one who
brings it for development at Bare Photo.
Billy said, "That's fine." And that's
what happened. That uh the way it's
written, he gave the camera to the guy,
loaded it, Billy took whatever 30 or
more footage. There's a lot of photos of
that. And like you were describing it,
seemingly the craft may be almost in two
places at one time, blah blah.
Interesting photos. people are standing
in the foreground. This craft is in
different locations behind them and
Billy story is had no possession of the
film. Now that's not unusual. Uh when
the investigators Wendell Stevens and
others were trying to also figure out if
Billy was hoaxing these photos, they
Wendell had a model made at the MGM
studios in Hollywood of one of the
craft. Now, in today's technology, even
if you're going to make a model, you'd
get a better model, but it was good
enough. It they took photos. And what
they did is they would go to locations
where Billy said, "This is where I took
this. I was at this fire pit here, and
then uh the ship is over here." And they
said, "Okay, let's go there." Or
wherever it was, and Billy, you take
photos with your camera, and we're going
to take photos, and we're going to
dangle the model.
>> So, they did a bunch of that. And then
this is I think this is also in the
freely available uh report on the
photographs that we have online and they
said every photograph the computer would
look at it and you know you're getting
>> uh this is a model there's no question
there's no energy fields around it and
blah blah and it's clear you talk about
you know depth and all of this and I
remember looking reading a little bit
about the photo analysis when I first
got them from from Bill not from Billy
but from Wendell. And I I remember
something about haze effects at things
in a distance. I was kind of interested
and I never plunged into why the edge of
a thing will appear in a certain way if
there's a certain haze at distances. You
if you know what I'm talking about. I
don't. But I remember there was this
kind of a thing when they go into the
descriptions of what their analysis was
revealing
and the thermography uh thermographic uh
you know effects around the ship or or
the ship itself having at the base of
it. It was a hotter kind of an energy
whatever. And that's again that's freely
available stuff and people who are
photographers like you have a go at it
if you want and and then you'll
understand it better. I never got that
focused in it.
>> Yeah, they're probably like when it
comes like thermal thermography, they're
they're just measuring how hot the light
source is, not how not actual heat
because you would need thermal cameras
for that. You would need to actually be
able to detect heat source where they're
probably just looking at where the
brightest light source is and how that
is dissipating across the craft and to
determine if that's the sun and if so,
uh how big is the object compared to the
sun and and what? Sure. as I say
>> but even to address like the um the sort
of glowing of the craft at night like
and not to go back there but you know
there is hellation as well that we have
to keep in in mind where uh this sort of
effect happens if if there's a very
bright object it'll give off a light and
if you bring it into Photoshop and you
know bring it down to see you'll see an
aura quote unquote but that might just
be uh a natural effect of of um of the c
of the film
itself. Um or the lens in in this case.
>> Yeah, I don't know.
>> Um Okay. So, now that we
>> So, there's there's been some witnesses.
>> Um
>> five other photographers.
>> Mhm. That's something. And I u I'd have
to dig into where because I remember
they posted photographs taken by
somebody that went by the name Pilgar or
something there. Pilgar, the village, I
don't know. Um, and he was a skeptic who
had also sent Billy some very nasty
stuff. And he one day contacts Billy and
says, "Listen, may I come and meet with
you? Uh, I have some photographs here."
And Billy said, "Of course, this is back
in the day." And neighbors, you know,
and he said, "Listen, I will apologize.
is, you know, I've been a little harsh,
but uh I was out in the field the other
day or evening, whatever it was, and I
had my camera and I and I took these
photographs and I saw this thing. He's
not the only one. There were people who
were workers from Turkey who were
working on the road. One man was quite
skeptical and quite nasty towards and he
couldn't handle what he saw and he
apparently actually committed suicide.
This is in the documentation.
There's a lot of but anyhow in terms of
witnesses and things that have happened
from that other photographers and the
people what they did who they were uh
how old they were the time when the
photographs were taken or when the
sightings were made they're very
thorough with that so you can cheat okay
um all right let's move on to some of
the more sort of prophetic if you will
messages that
Billy was apparently ly given by these
alleged extraterrestrials.
Now, just to be clear, these beings that
Billy speaks of are from the Pleaides.
>> No, no,
>> not the what we see in the night sky
because there's no life in the Pletes.
The there's no conditions for
habitation.
>> Okay. And it is about 500 light years
beyond in what would they call the
playars and it's an altered time space
configuration.
Good luck. I explain it. You'll
understand it better. I've just never
been able to totally lock in. I've got
to understand this time space shifted
thing. No.
>> Would be much easier for Billy just to
say they're plleadium.
>> It would be. But he well but you know
the fact is he knows there's no life in
the way it is.
>> That's very interesting.
>> He he knows what all the channels don't
know
>> right
>> and is there anyone out there who you
considered to possibly be legitimate? I
know we'd mentioned briefly Ashtar
>> and the Ashtar command and uh you know
the whole Adampsky Dan Fry you know that
whole era in the 50s in the early 50s. I
mean, that was a that was a hot topic. A
lot of people jumped on that bandwagon.
Everyone from um you know, the sort of
strangers account with the stranger at
the Pentagon.
Yeah.
>> Valiant Thor.
>> Valiant Thor. That's right. We have so
many of these uh encounters. There was
even a a couple sisters that that had
published something. They were taken
aboard as well. And you know, it all
seems so,
I don't know, idealistic
and not unlike the messages that Billy
was receiving. By the way, it is
idealistic. It is sort of like this
logical sort of, you know, a little more
on the love and light side that we, you
know, we see in this uh the brothers,
the space brothers. Um, but it seems
like the 50s, especially the 50s, but
also the 60s and 70s was kind of rampant
with this, you know, I'm from Venus, I'm
here to, you know, shut down the nukes
and and that type of deal. Is any of
that legitimate? You spoke about the
Ashtar command.
This was one of the more interesting
things to me uh early on finding
information there and what was explained
is that there are at that time there was
a race there were beings humans
based underneath the great pyramid at
Giza.
And uh what was said, some of what was
said, this is a splinter group that
actually
diverged from the source group that the
Playarian people came from, which was
originally in the constellation of LRA
or Lyra, however they want to pronounce
it, Lyens, Lyans, what have you. And
these original Lyans were very large
people, highly technologically
developed kind of uh also at the same
time Star Wars on steroids warrior types
you running around because they could
doing enslaving blowing things up. They
had a weren't feline by the way.
>> No human fully human.
>> You get that also if you're out there
looking at Lyrenn and stuff. A lot of
people like these the cat people from
>> Lyra. Okay, we're not talking
>> or from the constellation of Leo. People
from Leo and Orion were uh well that's a
separate thing about pyramids.
>> So it is said that these people referred
to as the Giza intelligences or the BFA
which was a name that was apparently of
their peoples had an agenda. They had
very high technology and they uh would
like to participate in enslaving
everybody in the planet. They weren't
large enough in numbers. They had
numbers but nothing that could, you
know, overwhelm us. So what they were
going to do is create a false second
coming. They had uh a technology whereby
in a form of telepathy it's called
telnotic. they could beam
uh through existing radio, TV, wires,
you know, any telegraphs, telephone,
they could beam frequencies and direct
them towards certain persons. So it said
and they had 745 or so uh important
political and religious leaders under
various uh influ let's say influence
could influence them and they were also
people who could influence and did
influence a group called the the tulis
society to t h society. So what happened
is these people
uh recognized at a certain po point in
part that Billy Meyer was someone on the
planet that uh would be an obstacle to
their agenda. They knew that he was
meeting with let's say the lighter side
of
>> the play Aaron
>> the play Aaron and uh they engineered
some attacks on his life. There's some
photographs of evidence for people can
look and decide for themselves. There
was one particular event where during a
holiday season, I think it's in August
in Switzerland, where there are cannons
that are shot off in the, you know,
Billy's living up in the I guess it's
called the Zurich Highlands or something
and it's very rural area and hills and
valleys and all churches and what have
you. So, um, the plan they had at this
time was to eliminate him. I'm going to
leave that for a moment to explain the
interaction
that he had that was very connected to
the Giza intelligences and this was with
his
>> these are all in his contact reports by
the way you're saying now. Okay.
>> Yeah. Okay. I got some follow-up
questions here because that's, you know,
obviously as soon as we talk about
pyramids, uh, and under the pyramids
now, we're we're touching on something
that a lot of people talked about
recently, but would was obviously talked
about years ago by Billy 1953.
And it's it is interesting as you say it
because there's a lot of he published
that it was one of the earlier things
that I had access to that had me
riveted. He's underneath. So what the
story goes that his second contact
person after 11 years of being tutored
by Svath Svath is know he's going to
pass out of life and he says you will
meet your next teacher she and blah blah
you know oh okay female uh and she's
more advanced in knowledge than I am in
certain things he says and she will
guide you for the next 11 years. So sure
enough he passes away and shortly
thereafter very quickly he hears a
woman's voice speaking to him in his
head and the arrangement for them to
have their first meeting is made and all
and um she is indeed she's telling him
she's also giving him prophecies about
things and predictions as early as 1953.
Uh she tells him about the assassination
in America of two brothers who will be
running for president. the date that it
will happen. John Fitzgerald Kennedy
will be killed in Dallas, Texas on this
day and uh there's information about
that assassination a bit and then the
assassination of his brother Robert
Kennedy and then a whole laundry list of
kings and people who she unloads a lot
of stuff on him and that's published.
You can look at it
>> published before the assassination.
>> Yeah. I mean, yes, he gets all that and
he's he's taken it down. And I've got to
double check the actual dates of
publication on it. And people can say,
"Well, if you can't prove it was po,
>> but I mean, if you can,
>> yes, if you can." Well, we can I mean,
that's that's interesting.
>> I'll pop it here in that I'm jumping for
a reason to address this point. In 1987,
Billy is given something called the
Henoch prophecies. Hanoch being, I
guess, the German version of Enoch, or
at least the way the playarin pronounced
it. And in there there's a lot of
predictions about things that have
subsequently happened. Well, how do we
know he didn't back date this? After
all, it's in German supposedly in ' 87,
but the first English is in 2002, I
think, and it talks about the
destruction of the World Trade Center,
but that happened in 2001. He could have
backdated it. I go, "Sure, he could
have, but
we have to look a little deeper, don't
we? We have this document, this entire
document with all these things. There's
like 300 I think specific things. Now,
one of the things that jumped out for me
and I'm I'm deliberately jumping here
and how the the way these are if these
people exist, they're not stupid. They
understand and they deliberately even
according to them do certain things that
will not be you can't just darn I can
prove that for sure. certain
photographs. Why? But that's got to be
Well, you'll have to figure it out how
that was done. And that's maybe the WC
UFO might be there. So, the destruction
of the WTC by terrorists in
2001
is is in there. We also have a couple
other earlier things than 2001. 1989,
he's also told again terrorists will fly
airplanes into these buildings. There's
a conversation with Quitzel, one of the
other ETs. Man, that's a terrible thing.
And he says, "Yes, there will be 3,000
people or so that will be killed." Okay,
but the 1987 document, they earlier
mentioned how. Well, I noticed that
there was something in there about the
Russians moving their troops to Arangels
in northern Russia, Siberia in
preparation for their attacks against
Scandinavia.
Oh, that's rather interesting. So, first
of all, why would Russia be attacking
Sweden, Norway, Finland, going back in
here's from the 80s? Of course, we're
told that this document actually was
created
thousands of years ago by the prophet
Enoch, Henarch. Okay. Well, but what and
at that time I'm quitzel says I'm giving
you the the names of things that are
what is referred to in this document
because there was no Russia
by name. Okay. He says wait a minute
I'm looking at this. Why these attacks?
Well, that became clearer within the
last let's say two years. Why Norway,
Sweden,
Finland all joined NATO, inviting NATO
to these borders and coming in. And when
you start reading regular news about
Russia and NATO and Scandinavia and all
this stuff, you start to see that
there's a a lot of things that we that's
kind of interesting. Well, it became
more interesting
when in 2011,
Russia moved and created bases in our
Congals, military bases in our Congalsk.
2011 was also a year in which I went and
visited Billy
and we were making a film where we have
like 50 of these prophecies in the film.
I may have given you that clip. And he
also spends some time after the main
filming of questions and answers and all
he talks about, oh yes, um, the Arctic.
I don't know if this is official yet, he
says, but there's going to be
the vying for power and control at the
Arctic and eventually he says at the
Antarctic, but at the Arctic, Russia,
Canada, the US, China, Great Britain or
whatever. All these countries are going
to be pushing for control of mineral. He
goes on and on the film clip, you see
him. I He keeps saying, I'm not sure. We
have to check if it's official yet. No,
it hadn't happened yet. But in 2011, the
Russians had moved their troops there.
And that is when within a year's time, I
had sent the information to a man I had
known for 50 years, physicist,
physician, retired, who did not believe
this case that I was involved in was
even remotely real. Although he allowed
himself to be interviewed for a film I
put out in 2012, just generally speaking
about extraterrestrial life in the
universe. Yes, speaking as a physicist
with these things, if these are present,
there's no reason why they wouldn't be
present to some degree. You know, he
carries on about the certain elements in
the human being would be uh required to
have.
But then he after I send him this
information, he says, "Bring your
camera." I I have to change something
here
because he had thought that Billy must
be like crazy person. And he said he
goes and says Billy Meyer is not a
schizophrenic. He's not a crazy lunatic.
He says I was in the American military
and I was stationed overseas and we flew
flights over this area reconnaissance.
It's under cloud cover for a great part
of the year. And he says what Billy is
saying here is a strategy. He says,
"Most people don't understand the
Russians, but this would make sense in
terms of a staging area, not only
for Scandinavia, but to come through
Alaska, [clears throat] bisect, come
through Canada, come into the US if they
were going to come across the frozen
straits or whatever there." And he said,
"Look, I've watched what this man is
saying. This man is about peace and he
he's saying things that our military,
our government should listen to
and he's not a dangerous person. Uh, you
know, he just he did a 180.
>> Mhm.
>> And this is a guy who really, you know,
gave me the it's nice to see you after
30 years, but uh what are you doing with
this stuff? So that was his take that
was based on his experiences in the area
where he thought strategically. Oh gosh.
Strategic. Why didn't I wonder who?
Okay. So Billy then does this thing
about the min mineral rights and within
a well recently in the past couple years
within the past two years for sure there
has been this stuff in the news as a
matter of fact that attracted the
attention of a man named Clayton Morris
in the US who has a show redacted who
had interviewed me a couple times on
Billy Meyer's evidence and all this and
he started to look into this material
and he puts out a clip saying uh you
know about the this by the way Billy
Meyer Billy Meyer wrote about this it's
it's copyrighted his texts are you know
I'm [laughter] okay Clayton keep going
you know and as he had when the thing
with the pyramid came up and he's
talking to a guy who was talking about
the research they found you know this
great spaces underneath the pyramid and
Clayton says well Billy Meyer wrote
about that in 1953
>> let's talk about that again because we
we that's where we started yeah we
jumped around a little bit But let's get
back to that. There was this secret
faction in the 70s that was un that was
under the pyramids that was kind of a de
factor from the uh plearin in in sort of
this like
>> darker version of them
>> uh that wanted to enslave mankind.
They're living under the pyramids
currently controlling world leaders or
manipulating them influencing them.
>> Um so what happens there?
>> Ah yes, this is where the juice of the
matter. Thank you for bringing me back
to that. So, Ascet and Billy, I think
his name
>> Ascet being the new teacher.
>> New teacher.
>> Okay.
>> Uh are she picks him up and uh they go
to Egypt. They leave the ship and they
go to the pyramids and somehow she knows
where this entrance is that goes you can
walk way deep down. But they also had
devices that would render them not
visible
out of phase with our you know visual
spectrum
and I maybe their they were not
communicating past the point they
entered from what I understood they were
communicating strictly telepathic you
know conversations telepathically and
this is something that Billy supposedly
was capable of doing since he was taught
by Svath as a child. Okay. So, they're
walking down these steep corridors, uh,
stairs, corridor, staircases and all.
And he says, "We had to silently pass by
these beings that were standing there,
armed kinds of things, and ask us,
explaining that they're not people.
These are robotic uh, guards, and they
would kill anything that could come down
there. That's how they were programmed."
And they finally get down into the the
belly of the beast, so to speak. And I
think it it was 1 to two kilometers
below the the pyramid. And he says, "We
enter this huge room, a space, very high
and big room that has been somehow
created under the ground here. And in
this space, there is a large craft.
There's a large what we would call UFO
or spaceship or what have you. Huge and
smaller craft." And then Ascet directs
his attention to a kind of a like a
stage or a platform that extends for
little ways because on it it's has
enough space for what Billy is saying.
Oh my gosh, that's the cross of the
crucifixion
and there's the spirit of destiny, the
crown of thorns, the bloody nails. This
is these are the artifacts from the
crucifixion. And she says, "No, they are
not. They were made by these people."
But if your scientists on earth would
test them, they would carbon date to
that period of time. She says, you know,
certainly the crown of thorns, the the
crucifixion, the cross of the
crucifixion, which was not this, it's a
Y-shaped cross. This is explained in the
material, how that crucifixions actually
worked at the time, but that would be
already turned to dust. Uh not, you
know, more than likely. Now there's
there's wooden artifacts that have
survived, but they're saying no to that
one would be gone because of the
whatever time the way people would treat
these things at the time. And that is
evidence that would be called up by a
man named Reinhold Schmidt. I think it
was actually O Reinhold Schmidt Reinhold
Schmidt who was quote unquote a corn
merchant from California who has been
under the telenotic control of this
Buffath. He believes he's been on the
board of craft which he has never been
because they create what are called real
visions. And Billy was explained and
demonstrated what real visions are. He's
described this. It's like oh well how
did we get here? Suddenly she says we're
not really where you think we are. This
is a real vision and to all appearance
through the perceptions and senses of
the human being. They would be in a
given room or out somewhere in a space
and uh everything would be very real to
them but they would be sitting somewhere
under a complete we could call a
hypnotic telenotic control until they're
brought out of it. They could be given
information. This is what's being done
>> like a manurion candidate type
>> high-tech man real high-tech where they
and at a given point in time the
intention was that this man would come
forward he would been implanted with
information I people will love that word
I'm sure because in effect what other
word could we say he would fully believe
this he would be able to say things and
and present evidence and produce the
artifacts from the second coming because
the agenda here was to bring people
human beings of earth together under one
religion, world religion control. So
these people the Buffath had that
agenda. That was the thing and they
wanted to get rid of Billy Meyer. Fast
forward to a holiday in August sometime
in maybe 25 years later because this
Billy's learning all this stuff in 53.
Now we're about 78 or 75, whatever it
is, when they're having this event in
Switzerland. The cannons are going off
and the Buffath had put a ship in motion
towards the center, the farmhouse that
Billy renovated where everybody lives
and works from. And above it though,
because the playar knew this was coming,
they have screened from visible or any
form of detection one of their crafts
right above the center. The Buffath
craft comes over and they're
synchronizing to when a cannon goes off
in the valley, they're going to send a
sonic attack beam down to hopefully
detonate, blow up a water heater,
whatever something the place would be
like exploded and everybody in there,
including and especially Billy would be
killed. Except what happens is that the
blast from that
goes down that umbrella that bell that
the ship is you know letting it flow
down and hits the ground. Now
technically at this point the playaron
have been attacked and they are
non-aggressive but they defend
themselves appropriately
depending on the nature of any kind of
an attack. And in this case, they send
their ship to they get a hold of that
ship. They eliminate it was robotically
controlled. And they go prepared for
this. They remove this whole host of
people from underneath and they close in
and basically leave no trace of their
well headquarters.
>> Now, this is not all that unusual. the
Polarin uh another group did this on
Mars when they ah that's another story
for another time.
>> Okay. Well, um wouldn't it be easier to
just like if you were going to
assassinate this man to just like appear
in his room and just like snuff him out?
>> They may not have had that ability
personally as some like the playarin
maybe. I do not know.
>> But [clears throat] also I cannot
presume. I mean, look, enough people
have tried to kill Billy that certainly
they appear where he's they know where
he's going to be walking. And Billy in
our first film, Silent Revolution, he
shows a metal uh plate that he had put
in a in an agenda book and, you know,
secured inside behind his jacket because
he had dreamt [clears throat] the night
before
>> he would get shot. He would be shot when
he goes to hits a certain point in the
road and this is where the bullet would
hit and the person did appear and shot
and disappeared and later contacted him
to a Billy strange things to say I am
the person that did that. I would like
to apologize and Billy said, "Well, you
can come over and we're not going to
call the policeing or anything in New
York." and they met. Um, some of this
you just you can read it and you can go
nah or yeah, who knows or whatever. But
Billy has um I mean he's defended
himself against uh as I I think I may
have mentioned there was someone in the
bushes with a long gun who shot at him
and missed and Billy was carrying
packing one of his weapons and we show
this weapon cabinet is pretty
impressive.
Jack says to him when Billy's pulling
out these weapons, he says, "Bill in
Germany asks him, isn't that a bit
aggressive?" And Billy says, "No, and
this is my bulldog revolver, and
[laughter] this is my Kalishnikov." You
know, and you know, when you see his
image from being the the Phantom in the
Middle East, and he's got the Arab
headdress, he's got the Swiss jacket,
and he's packing a 30 a 357 Magnum and a
knife, and all and this is a guy who was
bringing in serial killers and mass
murderers without harming them. I mean,
maybe he wounded them if they shot. He
never he said to me one day, it was this
it was actually cute. I never killed
anybody. I if they shot at me, I wound
them so the authorities could come and
take them. And indeed, somebody had
managed to put a slug through what was
his left arm at that early on. Um there
there are things that uh are a little
strange. There are people who have
witnessed and attested to things like,
"Well, Billy was uh bringing the
tractor. We were going to move the cast
iron stove that had been delivered and
then Billy stopped the tractor near it
or something and he sat in it and then
the stove came up in the air and came
over and it settled down." I there's a
lot of stuff that Billy did in the past
occasionally
showing off a little bit and he was told
at a certain point or he knew.
>> What do you mean that he had telekinetic
ability?
>> Yes,
>> Billy did.
>> He had a lot of abilities
>> really
>> according I mean this is for you know
this is the the stuff that
>> this was this was yeah this was sort of
well I mean obviously it bedazzles
people because I think it
>> it's has to be out there. it I mean it's
it's completely magical like why how how
would that occur was he bestowed ability
or
>> he earned his ability for instance there
was a woman who said um something about
Billy was over here in the house sitting
down was something she determined here
he is and she said she went out and
walked out back and he was sitting there
and he had not passed her and he did
some of this some of the little tricks
for people occasionally early on because
he could, but that was he had to not uh
do that past a certain point. And let's
I I mean, Billy's got some kind of
abilities.
one of the more recent assassinations.
He steps out and he sees somebody and he
stands there and a bullet comes and he
had put a water bottle in a shirt pocket
and he stood there apparently and the
bullet hits the it doesn't he's it's
like
Billy is an unusual human being who has
had the most painful you have your arm
ripped off your body and all of your
teeth smashed at the same time and
you're delirious. is for 30 days because
they amputate what's remains of your arm
without anesthetic. And and you're
walking around shooting into the air at
imaginary things. And yet you've been
able to as a child be taken and shown
things and allowed to be in a craft on
your own to go places and stories. Oh,
it can't be.
>> Okay. But is it about proving that or do
we like you said if this stuff this
could stop many people over here from
going any farther into the material?
This could some people would just go
well wow I want to know more you know
and bypass it.
This is what it it is what it is and
it's up to each person to decide with at
the current counting 928
public contact reports.
>> Yeah. for the public. Many others that
just private information between him and
them. And when you go through what they
did was so clever in these reports and I
saw this early on. They not only number
each of these contact reports, meaning
we this is our official meeting 928
contract report. They number every
sentence that the extraterrestrials
speak. Why?
>> So that you can go and verify it.
>> Yes. because they knew they're going to
start giving him information about
things and people are going to say, "Oh,
you've obviously backdated it." But you
see,
>> they published starting in German, then
it gets to English and Italian and other
languages. Every contact 215, sentence
one. Yeah.
>> Sentence one.
>> You can also reference like if you have
a question be like, "Wow, see 115 of
whatever."
>> Yes, that's all there too. And
>> you know, it's like people said, "Well,
he's backdated this or that." I said,
"That's why when I come back to the
Hanoch prophecies and the WTC."
Oh, it'd be easy to say, "Well, he
backdated it because that happened in a
year earlier than the first English
publication was." Yeah, but what about
the information about Russia moving its
troops to Arangels? And what about one
of the final items in that whole
prophetic argument about in the future
Switzerland, the land of peace and
neutrality,
is going to make a big mistake. They
will abandon their true neutrality and
align themselves and work with the UN
and or NATO which will open them
to being ultimately attacked and invaded
by the powers from the east. meaning
>> China
>> and Russia
>> when those things happened while
Switzerland will be very safe for a long
period of time but no this is and they
published that book I think in 2004 it's
in there and all these things that you
can go through and go wait a minute and
there's other things that weren't
necessarily so glamorous here and there
but they were foretelling events and
those events
have occurred do you think there is a
sense of like
confirmation bias here where there is so
much literature that you can and I'm
asking because I know this will be asked
and this will be
>> mentioned as well but because there is
so much literature in these thousand or
so contact cases or contact reports
>> that that you can kind of cherrypick
>> you know because it would seem like you
know if um I'll give you a a practical
example example of this. Um, you have
these fake mediums on on television.
>> Yeah, exactly. And and what they do is
that they'll they'll hit you with with a
bunch of facts. So, hit you with a bunch
of like keywords, buzzwords, uh, and
they'll throw things out there. Yeah.
And when something clicks, then they go
down that road and they go down that
road. And in retrospect, you look at
this and you go, "Oh my god, they were
right about this, this, this, this, and
this."
>> But what about
>> But then you forget all the misses,
right? you forget all the the things
they they were wrong about. Um, and
that's part of like human psychology of
of our brains and its ability to pattern
match, right? And to recognize
connection. And so, do you think that
there's any any of that? Like, have you
ever found stuff in his reports that you
you thought, "Oh, this is completely
utterly wrong, like 100% like false." Is
there anything in there or
>> No. And but it doesn't mean it's not
there. Let's be honest. Yeah, but you've
not come across that.
>> No. What the See here the process for me
after I I immersed myself into really
reading and then rereading everything I
could get my hands on because of a
couple instances that jumped out of me
after I had the, you know, UFO book
where uh the 1800 pages that had been
given to me by a guy actually who
created a false career pretending he was
an Andromedan contactee.
>> Wonderful.
>> Yeah. Oh, great. I mean, muddy the
waters. You know, I'm I'm now Alex
Collier. Wait a minute. I thought your
name was Ralph Amagrad. No, I'm an
Andromedan contact. Is that why all of
your predictions every single one of
them are wrong? Okay, we'll leave that
for the [laughter] moment for an hour or
two. Whatever you want. But here's what
happened.
>> And we're not we're not offending all
the Andromedans out there. Just the one.
Yeah,
>> just the one who Yeah. He's probably
more from Orion. Yeah. So, what happens
here with this material? And it's
fortunate that everything is numbered
what they say because you can get these
reference points. Oh, I kind of remember
it's in this kind of thing before
somewhere. All right. So, what happens
for me and it's it still happens.
Something appears in the news. Some a
couple things appeared in the news
recently. One that appeared in the news.
I I'll just use it as an example because
I had read it and I'd never noticed this
news prior. it was maybe it was never of
interest to me or it didn't appear
back in the day. I guess it's uh I'm not
even sure of the exact date that the
first and and you know I'll know after
this I'll I'll say I should have said
that but there was a confilration in the
Faulland Islands right Argentina and the
UK had a dispute about it and all this
stuff went down the Faullands well it
came and went in my me you know
knowledge banks if I ever knew it at the
time but the interesting part about it
was
that subsequent
to
I think subsequent to the conflration or
it's going to have been before it in
1982
Billy gives a radio interview with an
English-speaking man on a Swiss uh radio
station network or something. The guy
sounds like an American perhaps. It
could have been some other. But at the
very end of this thing, and we have all
this online too, people can hear it. He
asks Billy about the potential for a
third world war. And Billy at this time
is speaking pretty good English be this
is before he had also an accident where
his he had a brain injury that he I'll
stick to the story. So here in 1982 and
he's pretty good although he gets a few
words mixed up he does and this he is
asked well about a third were Billy says
yes that is going to happen it cannot be
avoided it's certainty it's a prediction
and this is pretty early on uh and the
guy says well Billy can you can you tell
us more about who who's involved he says
well I don't know if I should he says
let us decide about that just tell us
what you know about this. And he and I'm
trying to remember the sequence. He
says, "Well, it's going to be the big
attacks conflict between the UK and
Russia.
And other countries involved will be
Iran,
Israel, Iraq, and the Faullands."
The Faullands 1982.
So within about the last week to 10 days
there was an article that passed
something in the American news about
Trump there's some issue he's got an
issue with NATO and there's something
about the Faulins has come up again I'm
going oh my gosh it never stops I point
being here things that those of us
who've been researching this material
you can't remember everything but there
are things that when something comes in
the news that seems hope isn't there.
Now
>> I have also gone to look I think this
must be in the it wasn't
>> but I and the interview
>> yeah nothing uh well no I it's more like
there may be a discovery or an incident
somewhere and it seems to me oh I'll bet
you Billy had foretold that. No, he it's
not. He didn't. But then I start to see
the things that we've gathered and I
think we're over 250 to 300 specific
error-free examples. In other words,
when something can be evaluated for
accuracy.
>> Let's just say that something comes up
and Billy's talked about it, but what
comes up is completely contrary to
whatever he predicted. Sure. They have
to go, "Well, that's a miss, you know,
or how did he get that so wrong?" Well,
he's a human being.
>> Yeah.
>> It seems to be that the things he's
foretelling, at least the things that
you've noticed, have been accurate.
>> Yeah. Here's one. In 2006,
I'm in Switzerland standing and talking
with Billy, and I said to him, it's the
question is almost exactly this, Billy,
fundamentally, was the Iraq war about
oil? I'm leading. Of course he's going
to say it was. What does he say to me?
He lifts his finger. Fundamentally, no.
It's about your dollar. And if things go
a certain way, you may as well roll
cigarettes with your paper money.
He's just riveting me with it. Well, I
don't know at the time what the hell
he's talking about, but I put the video
up. It's up there from 2007. and I
posted it and uh I've been watching the
trend economically the petro dollar
everything that's going on now in the
world now is helping to uh let's say
negatively influence the value of the
petro dollar on top of that as early as
46 48
his teacher and he's written this all
down and there's numbers is talking
about how a megalomaniacal
Hitler-like dict dictator will arise in
the US who will be just full of himself,
an incompetent leader who will cause
great trouble in the world and in his
delusions of grandeur about himself he
will start to make trouble and they he
mentions Persia, China, Russia and other
countries he will threaten them he will
create uh problems in the seas
and barricades and tariffs, foolish,
illogical tariffs to punish people.
There's a lot of this.
>> When was this written?
>> 46
>> in 196. Yeah.
>> 46.
>> Yeah, it's 46. 46 and 48.
>> And he was talking about things like
this. That's absolutely
>> I mean it does it does seem to pattern
match obviously but I would also you
know
>> I would also say that like if you're if
you're speaking to these beings and
these beings are telling you these
things which
>> do sound prophetic like in in the
sentence structure I mean yeah they they
have a sort of um a generalized tone to
them like oh there will be this person
and you know but why don't you just name
names like if if you're that certain why
don't you just say Oh, oh, well, Donald
Trump is the guy or like there's a
reason for that.
>> What's the reason what's the reason
there?
>> Look, let's say they publish that the
guy's going to be a year old whatever it
is in they're going to then start
influencing people in a direct way where
they are going to interfere.
>> Now, they also know that this is going
to be obscure and not that it's
esoteric, but it's going to be
>> disregarded for the most part. for the
most part it's going to be dis
disregarded, ridiculed and everything
else. They did in the earlier days in
the 70s for instance they would tell him
the names of uh they they gave him the
names of kings uh this king uh is going
to be assassinated. Uh this man will be
assassinated and they will think it's
from this but it will be and
>> they gave names.
>> Yes. But it will be the Israeli Mossad.
They said it. They said their secret
service which like many times has been
and will be behind troubles in your
world.
They will cause trouble here. And they
say in retaliation for the terrorism of
the Israelis, there will be terrorism
from the Hamas and the Hezbollah. So
that is not to say that those don't
produce terrorists. It's just we could
say because in this material and this is
something that got me early on when I
read it early on when they were speaking
about things I literally thought wait a
minute are these Nazis from outer space
>> they're they're pretty anti-Israel
>> no they're I don't
I guess you could say but what because
they tend to speak in a factual way
>> for the most part in including about
things Billy can get very
>> they're not against the people they're
just against an uh a situation.
>> Yes. And about against those who are
part of the population who will do these
things and they sometimes go go to pains
to say this is not about all of the
Palestinians or all of the Israelis, but
it is that faction that has this agenda
and that will bring you know peace to
the world.
If you were some type the thing is like
I mean obviously people are going to
jump to this as well because this is
where my mind's going I feel like but
like if you were being given prophetic
messages and you believe these messages
to come from extraterrestrials
do you think that there is some type of
world where he is being sort of fed
information from terrestrial means that
that is are like scoping him because all
of these things seem like you know
someone's agenda. They're like, "No,
these guys are the bad guys. These guys
are the good guys. You got to side with
these guys. You got to watch out for
this."
>> It isn't put that way because, and this
is where I was saying on the are these
Nazis from not from that so much as the
earlier material where they talk about
the histories of different peoples and
these people did this and those people
were doing back long ago.
>> This is Switzerland right after Nazi
Germany and he's getting messages saying
like, "We got to watch out for Israel."
Is that like
>> Well, but he also
>> It seems a little close to home.
>> It could be. and and some you know
people can feel sensitive about that but
they they are equal opportunity
offenders. I mean really this is what I
did come to learn
>> because also when they start talking
about things like America is behind most
of the problems of the world and the
terrorism that has emanated from their
seeking hedgeimonyy worldwide control as
it's been since the inception of that
country. Whoa. That'll set you back on
your heels. And but they've also
described the origin of the Israelis and
they've gone to uh you know Israelites
to say they never were a people. They
were peoples who came together under the
influence of an extraterrestrial whose
name was known then as Jehovah. And they
had influ
Aros
uh one and Aros 2 and Jehovah and other
names. And many of these were connected
with the Giza intelligences.
This is a thread that when you pull it
the sweater starts unraveling. So people
I understand the tendency people will
jump on a thing. I jumped on things and
then I read more and I read more and I
read more and I started to see see the
balance here. This I'm getting the
intention here is that we dig into
learning about our world. Not just what
the people are what we're getting
through the news. I mean nowadays more
people are asking questions but even in
our country we we don't get certain news
that you may get in Switzerland or you
may get in Morocco or you may not. We
all know there's manipulation and what
they have foretold about what's coming.
The manipulation when Billy in 1958
speaks about
first America and then the EU which
didn't exist yet in 58 will biochip
every man, woman and child on the face
of the planet to control them so well
that their every movement to the meter
to the inch can be determined and
controlled.
1958
and when he in 1958 also says that the
people that things will develop so that
the people will lose their ability to
determine the truth. Their eyes will no
longer be able to know if what they're
looking at is real. It will be so
effective the deceptions. I mean we had
we had George Orwell as well you know
speak of similar things and and Isaac
Azimoff and like we had like a lot of
literary sort of giants talk about
people who had foresight and forvision
about things
um and it's just that the volume
specificity and so far
errorfree unfortunately
uh I don't see that record now there's a
woman what was Her name Baba Van
>> Bllovatzki
>> no Baba Vana
>> oh the yeah yeah the prophet wasn't yeah
>> Edgar Casey who had certain abilities
and Billy had said Edgar Casey was a
genuine seer it was an interesting form
of a kind of a schizophrenia whereby
only in this state when he'd go to sleep
or what he could see and his specialty
um I think was mainly medical things
mainly and some things he got very right
about a num you know many things he had
this ability so Meyer it's not like I'm
the only one who can do these things he
even said that with um Nostradamus he
says people don't interpret correctly
some of the things that they think
either have happened or are happening
are still futural with Nostradamus'
prophecies and when you see when you get
into reading when Billy starts opening
up and starts teaching about things you
go, okay, I think after maybe the eighth
or 10th read, I'll get all this together
because this is there's obviously this
is logic. I don't recognize what this
information there is another level
there. Now, there are people that are,
you know, we have people that contribute
to our blog. I think they're smarter
than I am easily and that they're so
so ariodite and so able to reference so
many things that when we post a blog
when we post contact report or something
they've got that encyclopedia
>> and it's terrific because some of the
things I I say yeah I know that I don't
remember that I never even read that
contact and all thank goodness so many
people can
source on this and that's What makes it
so interesting because they also see
these aspects and the reasoning why
something well this makes sense now why
they would have told him that at this
time look at this in light of that and
>> I'm I'm I'm yeah
>> I'm following and I think uh I think
it's definitely interesting and worth
you know looking into more specifically
to you know try and at least find some
inconsistencies like and and therein if
you can't then hey that's even even
better. Um, you know what I what I would
also say is that like there are similar
prophetic sort of uh very indepth
intellectual and stimulating ontological
philosophical messages that have been
given through you know other channels
specifically and and I use that term
very specifically but uh you know raw
contact or the raw material these things
they speak similarly about things um and
recently there was a documentary mentary
about Puharic that came out and and sort
of uh you know the nine and the
teachings of the nine. These were the
the the nine people that he had which
were channeling these
>> Oh yeah.
>> uh these beings or whatnot. But the the
messages seem to all coincide. They're
not con they're not conflicting on very
many things. They're pretty logical and
and for the most part coherent and
friendly and and understandable. Um, but
yesterday we spoke about, you know, we
had I had asked you like why Billy? Like
what's going on here? Why why not why
won't why won't Patah or some Yaz or any
of these beings just come to the
podcast? Come sit down, have a chat, let
the world know. No one's going to
believe him anyway. So, what's the harm
in it? Right. And and then you you said,
"Well, Billy was special."
Well, I mean, as soon as we say special,
we think there's an exalted status
there.
>> Well, there kind of is with him because
you had said that, you know, he follows
like this sort of long lineage of
prophets and and that they've delivered
these messages to, you know, all of the
he is like the seventh one,
>> seventh and final person to
>> seventh and final person, right? So
there is this lineage of almost royalty
like there is there is the chosen one
aspect to this.
>> We're leaving something out. Let's say
somebody's quote unquote. There were uh
in this material if I correct there were
a few other people potentially who could
have done this gig possibly. Um
I think there was one or two who were
made a aware of it somehow who declined
it. some who may have died, whatever.
So, here's this guy is, you know,
>> who were the ones before?
>> I don't know the name now. Possibly it
because they didn't name who the woman
was, but I think it could have been
Madame.
Possibly.
>> But who who are the ones prior?
>> Oh, the prior. Yes.
>> Well, you've got Enoch or Henoch,
Elijah, Isaiah, Jeremiah,
Emmanuel.
Get back there. Muhammad
and Billy. Now that this will drive some
people crazy this way and the other way.
So, we know about we've heard about
Enoch, Elijah, Isaiah, and Jeremiah. But
let's also just for a moment stop before
I answer the rest of it and say, you
know, choosing back um we are in a world
that since the early prophets and
probably before uh anybody that stood
out a little bit in a certain way, it's
not like they are going to uh treat them
especially kindly because they are going
to come with material and information
that isn't going to be welcome or
there's no reason for them to come.
Emmanuel
was crucified. That's the name of the
man according to the Meyer material. The
real man who was falsely named Jesus
Christ. Now, okay, wait a minute. So, we
go
7:14 Isaiah.
And his name shall be called Emmanuel,
not Jesus. Well, what about the New
Testament? Matthew 1:23.
and his name shall be called Emmanuel.
How's that? Well, Billy Meyer along with
a Greek Orthodox priest, I think it's
about 63, 64, right in there,
telepathically
are lid, story goes,
the outskirts of Jerusalem, there's a
hillside, a burn or a hillside, and at
the base of it, there's a hole in there.
Now, Billy knows that this is something
he's long been informed he will be
involved with. The man that he is with
is named or called Issa Rashid.
He speaks uh some Middle Eastern
languages. He also can read and write
Aramaic and German. H interesting.
Billy kind of knows where this little
hole is going to be. And they had
brought flashlights and the tools to
dig. And they dig their way in. Turns
out to be an ancient tomb from all
appearances. They're familiar. Yep. This
is a tomb. And there's stone stones on
the floor. And Billy says, "We unearth
until we find certain things. They
start. Doesn't take them all that long.
They find resin encrusted animal wrapped
animal skin wrapped scrolls written in
Aramaic. These are sheets of I guess pap
I don't know what they but they're
they're considered scrolls. They're
written in Aramaic. Billy does not read
and write Aramaic.
He knows what Issa is here for. And he
says okay you will take this and
translate please and send me the
translation. Issa Rishi says I'm on it
boss or whatever. And off he goes. Billy
goes back to Switzerland and within
about five or six years something like
that he gets the first third or so of
this doc you know this overall document
and Issa Rasheed said look I've
translated this much of it but there are
some powerful people in Jerusalem who
know that I've got something of interest
I'm taking my family we'll take the
scrolls we've got to get out of here
story goes that he that you know it
includes in there I will get in touch
with you as soon as we are safe.
They travel and they get into Lebanon
into a village in Lebanon and there is a
kind of it's a refugee village or
something. They have been invited to a
home somehow. They sequester the scrolls
in a wall there for safety. Within one
week,
the Israelis pick of all the refugee
villages that one to raise to the
ground, burn, destroy every week.
Rasheed and his family get out with
their lives and themselves. The scrolls
are gone. Oh, this has got the makings
of a conflict, doesn't it?
Billy doesn't hear from him further
until something happens. And a few years
later, I think it's around 74, he learns
that Issa Rasheed has and his family
have been machine gunned to death in
Baghdad ostensibly
by the Mossad.
But Billy has received all of this stuff
in German. Now he gets about as an
editor trying to make sure everything is
lining up editorially
and he discovers later more that Issa
Rasheed had changed certain things based
on his own religiosity. There were
certain things in here that didn't fit
with his beliefs. This is you know
[laughter] this is not easy space
brother stuff. Sure. Human beings
wherever they're involved, things can
and will get screwed up.
>> Yeah. As it probably already has with
the Bible.
>> Oh, for sure. Well, but all that stuff
is written post events and changed,
manipulated. So, we said this is really
about the real man who name was changed
to Emmanuel uh from Emmanuel to Jesus
Christ. We've got the Old Testament, one
mentioned, Billy didn't put it in there,
another mentioned in the New Testament.
So this attracts the attention of a man
named James Gerdorf, professor of
comparative religions, Oregon State
University and also
I think it's
>> [clears throat]
>> uh meteorology
and he said oh I just heard about oh
Bible hoax let me add that one and he
goes and he digs into it a year or year
and whatever it is comes out with a
publication his own book called
celestial teachings and according to
what he was saying early on in the book.
This Talmud Emanuel is what it gets
called resolves over 350 inconsistencies
in the book of Matthew
150 of which were not even under
discussion at the time this was
published and he says I've gone through
this and he has shows you line by line
by line it says this in Matthew says
this in the TJ or tell you know it gets
called the TJ sometimes extremely ly
similar almost other times not there's
differences and they tend to be as far
as a biblical scholar is concerned
important differences and also to people
who what differences stand out do you
know
>> well uh this guy isn't floating up to
the sky and apparently and I think it's
within here he knows that he will walk a
very uh dangerous and dangerous bloody
path here and this is where in the
prophecy section chapter 25 as I recall
this is a huge book and I don't have it
all in my head he is excoriating the
scribes and Pharisees this stuff made it
into the I think into the New Testament
didn't it you you know generation of
vipers and all this and he's but he goes
farther what isn't apparently mentioned
in the Old Testament uh in the Torah or
the New Testament where he's saying to
them. You have deceived and murdered
your friends so that you could acquire
their belong. He's laying it out for
them and he shaking his finger in their
face saying
>> Emanuel
>> is Yeah. So he's, you know, the guy that
could turn over the table in the temple.
I think that may be in there. Um and he
says in 500 years comes another true
prophet who like me will carry the same
teaching
at this time. And
unless your distant descendants and the
distant descendants of this prophet
whose name will be Muhammad can come to
a just and consiliatory peace with each
other, it will be a bloody time and few
will survive. And there will be also a
false and evil cult who will gather
around this prophet and falsify his true
teaching.
And this is stuff. I mean, Billy, Mr.
Bullseye, walking around. Uh, but he he
has a he's published information what
the real teaching of a Muhammad was.
It's also contained in a book called uh
the goblet of the truth along with the
true teaching of the previous prophets.
And it's essentially it shows you how
the teaching is the same. And Muhammad
didn't marry 9-year-old girls. He was a
champion for the rights of women and a
protector of women. He did not believe
in a jihad where you go and start
slaughtering your enemies according to
this information in the Meer case. And
that his mission actually was to stem
the rise and power of the Catholic
Church which otherwise would have fully
enslaved the world. I think we've heard
of things like crusades and inquisitions
and all of this stuff. And there's quite
a bit of information in the Talmud then
and in other writings of Billy uh
especially if people read what he's what
Muhammad has supposedly spoken about
you're seeing consistency about the the
love and the peace and
they speak about something. This is
where the core of the case comes in.
This is where Billy is the man, if you
will. It is what was formerly called the
spiritual teaching. And then Billy
finally after decades says this is an
incorrect word spiritgeist. This is or
even in German his origins speak about
ghosts
>> and all. No this now is the time you
understand this is the creation energy.
What are you talking about? There's no
deities. None of the the religions are
founded on a true deity that created
everything. And I even knew a guy who
thought he was in touch with the
so-called Elohim
uh creators of all things. Uh okay. So
there's no shortage of religions is the
4,000 and there's certain very primary
ones and the ones that have you know the
biggest recognition and following. They
all basically stand on this premise if
you want to you know when we talk about
things we believe or not. what's in this
book is true because this book says it's
true.
Sorry folks, that's the evidence. You
can say, but artifacts have been f
you'll be able to find artifacts
throughout history and tales about them,
some of which are right, some of which
are not right. We're talking about
something where this great cosmic
reality in this teaching and this
teaching is true because the book says
it's true. In the creation energy
teaching, Billy is speaking about
something that addresses the greatest
existential questions in humankind.
They've bothered me since I was 10 years
old. They've probably bothered many
people. But that we have to push it on
the back burner because as Billy said,
the human brain is not greatly equipped
to deal with. But here's how you can
start to get educated.
Because I said, look, Billy, what's
outside of space? How far does it go?
You know how can there be nothing? How
can there be nothing? And then how can
something arise out of nothing? And that
something kaboom.
We have reality as we know it or think
we know it or whatever.
We have things in this reality that have
different durations, different
vibrational frequencies.
This lasts longer maybe than this does.
glass and metal and but things have a
perfection. They have a duration.
Science relies on certain things and
they can find out where these things
change. And this goes on and on for
everything seen and unseen and almost
everything that we see with the
exception of that which is natural
is idea made manifest by man. And the
rest is idea made manifest by what?
Well, you want to start attributing it
to your God of love and mercy who goes
out and slays the uh, you know, the
Canaanites and tells the Israelites to
slay 20,000 people or in this other
religion to do the where is the love and
mercy? Well, when Billy starts talking
about the teaching which he didn't
create and which is a teaching the
playrin have access to and levels of it
that we don't. If we can deal with the
information at the level that it's
intended, if you will, for our
development, for our evolution, and
Billy has said, the meaning of life is
the evolution of consciousness. Struggle
with that one for a while. So instead of
us lording it over others as the people
connected to the Giza intelligences and
the other gods did often times because
they could and they played with the
primitive humans. This creation is the
source of all that exists. And if we
want to begin to contemplate that and
start to learn that there are immutable
universal laws and our scientists know
some of them. There's some other laws
too and there's many laws that if we
start to understand the laws and the
recommendations things that are simply
recommended for humankind that are this
is no punishment. This isn't about
you're going to be dipped in hot lid for
eternity once you pass out of this life
unless you believe in me.
>> There's none of that.
>> Is there um is there any merit in
Billy's
um reports
that reference the hermetic principles
at all?
>> What would those principles be
specifically?
>> I think there's seven of them where
everything is mental. Um like
everything's, you know, in the mind type
deal. Um I I'll try to name them all but
I'll surely miss some. So everything is
mental. Uh there's a masculine and
feminine to everything. Uh everything is
in constant motion. Um everything is uh
so fluctuates like in waves.
>> Um
there is no opposite only varying
degrees of the same thing.
Um and then there's two others I'm that
are eluding me. So yeah, around those
lines which seem to be what we're
discovering in physics anyways. But is
there is there anything similar?
>> Yeah, I'd say but in saying that I have
to tell you that while I understand and
I can I'm going to give you some
comparables or whatever. I'm at a very
early level of life of understanding the
teaching. We're all no matter the the
bandwidth here between the lowest and
highest on earth isn't that that great.
So Bill, for instance, Billy has written
a phenomenal book called The Might of
the Thoughts and how the mind works, how
thinking works
>> and things that we take for granted that
are maybe backwards for some. In other
words, we think that if we feel a
certain way, we're going to think a
certain way or whatever. Thoughts
precede feelings. Most thinking is done
below the conscious level. And if we
take the time in trouble to become aware
of this ongoing thinking process 24/7,
we then learn to control the thoughts.
We are aware that we're thinking and
we're aware of what we're thinking. And
in there in that responsibility is do we
continue that train of thought, those
thoughts, do we modify it? So which way
do we take, you know, a different
direction? Do we put a halt to that
whole and and and and but you're talking
>> like emotional alchemy or
>> well it's it's it's more you could say
even mental alchemy because this is done
through the thinking process and that is
what leads us to feel certain things
about things.
>> Sure.
think about it and start having feelings
and then there is another thought and a
decision about action or inaction.
>> That's this book. I mean, that's the
junior kindergarten takeaway. I realize
there's a lot.
>> Oh my gosh. He's written over 60 books
and only maybe a dozen are translated
into English.
>> He's written about reincarnation,
rebirth, death, and dying. Fluidal for
forces, swinging waves. Again, you can
see certain things here that can be
reflected as I'm seeing it without
understanding fully that the hermetic
teaching because there are people uh in
the distant past great philosophers
>> Rosacrianism
you know feels aligned with this a
little bit as well and
>> yeah but there's things I'm sure that
are really not because remember uh even
in the world of disinformation you get
20% of the truth and you wrap it in a
lie that was taught to me by a guy who
passed away recently, a guy named Ed
Dames who used to be
>> I knew I knew I met Ed. I interviewed
him.
>> I helped create his first technical
remote viewing home study course.
>> Really?
>> I worked with him over a period of a bit
more than a year.
>> Did you ever did you ever um
>> I learned how to do that.
>> Did you ever do any of the spooky
targets that he was looking into?
>> Well, he taught me and two other people
involved in the production team how to
do it. Yeah. And we could do it.
>> And here's the funny story on it. It's a
short story. I mean, he showed us and we
were able to get the target. That was
good. Uh, we were to go to Hawaii to do
this production and basically I had
created the introduction between him and
and the guy who owned the production
company and I had because I'd listened
to all of his appearances in Artbell and
I thought, "Wow, this guy's got what I'd
call an oral charisma. He's very
engaging and he's saying a lot of
things. Wow, this is really cool." So, I
arranged I got in touch with him. I got
put it together and I said, "Hey, I
think a cool way to do this is how you
could teach this course on videotape and
basically I really kind of helped design
that and we worked on it and what we
were to do is to go to this guy's studio
in Hawaii and start the production and I
thought I wonder what that guy is like."
Took the piece of paper because remote
viewing you have a target and you start
by using pen to paper or pencil paper
whatever you're going to do. And I drew
this
oblong face and curly hair down the
sides and square glasses and stuff and
these features. I swear if you will, we
get there, the door opens up and this
guy comes out. This guy comes out and
I'm going,
>> "Okay,
that's pretty interesting." Did I ever
go back to do that? No. Because
>> I I don't want to fiddle around with
that. I c you can make mistakes with
these things. You can get it right
there. People that are good, people that
weren't um I learned it from Ed and I
learned certain things because there was
a lawsuit then people sealed each other
and I was the expert witness for having
studied all of his there was some
controversy in the remote viewing field.
Now, um, sadly Ed has passed away uh,
recently and may he rest in peace, but
>> he was definitely charismatic. Uh, and
you know, I remember going out to dinner
with him and my friend Nelson when we
were down this journey looking into
remote viewing and he was just the most
entertaining, charismatic person. Like
always got a joke, always trying to make
you laugh, always had a story. Uh, he
was talking smack. He was like he was
very confident in what he could do. But
one thing that seemed to be, you know,
uh, very true about Ed was that un
undeniably he was a good at teaching
remote viewing.
>> And and and a lot of people wanted to,
um, you know, they wanted to slight him
for so many reasons and because, you
know, he had he was a bit of a
loudmouth. He was like he he was,
>> you know, he had gumption and he didn't
care about what he said. He's like,
"This is the way it is." you know, he
was in the army and that's kind of
>> and um and that ticked a lot of people
off, I think. And so I think people got,
you know, on his back for that. But one
thing that you couldn't deny is that
like the students that came from Ed were
some of the best remote viewers, you
know, they had like some of the best
teachings and stuff according to Ed.
>> Yeah.
>> Um there Okay. I was I got called in
this lawsuit by I guess I was he the did
he do the suing, my friend? I forget who
was the plaintiff and who was the
defendant, but I was called by the
producer as expert witness because I
then while this was in process, I went
through every transcript of every
prediction that Ed made,
>> right?
>> Yeah. Okay. They weren't so accurate.
>> No, I I [laughter] this isn't speaking
ill of somebody. He simply couldn't do
it.
>> I don't think Ed again I don't think Ed
was a great remote viewer. No, he was.
>> But I think he was really good at
teaching it.
>> Yes. And that's exactly what we came
away with. And um
>> I there were a couple particular things.
I was hanging out with them for about a
year.
>> There had been an incident where one or
two US Air Force jets had been lost. I
forget the number because I might have
mixed up. But he came in one day. He was
absolutely positive where it crashed and
all this stuff. They found it in a
different state. it had nothing to do
with came up here and he just let that
go and it was like I didn't see anything
accurate from her but I found him to be
an interesting and entertaining guy.
>> Yeah.
>> Um I wish I'd read the contact reports a
little earlier before I got involved
with the whole thing
>> because they were in there prior to that
about his company.
>> Really?
>> Yes. What did they mention about Ed?
>> They said that this company Scitec they
named it was basically more about making
a lot of money. There was a there was
authentic remote viewing and I think
they mentioned that the Russians had p
and all but that this was I mean they
they dissed him after [clears throat]
I'd gone but I had it was great. I found
out for myself I had the experience that
he could teach it.
>> Sure. Yeah, he could. So great, thank
you very much. And then these guys are
suing each other everywhere. And then
there's another story that I'll tell you
off camerara about one of the people who
was his assistant that I had a little
prank pranked after the trial. You know,
we all have different sides to our
nation, but this guy pranked and he
loved it. It turned out
>> that's very funny.
>> It it was funny.
>> He's uh Yeah. Um, I remember the last
communication I had with him when I met
with him, he was convinced that I was
going to be the one to film first
contact with him, that he was being led
to first contact
>> and he had all these he regailed me with
all these stories of when he was out
there with the uh was the prince of
Liken Likenstein and like all sorts and
and you know the Hal put off and and
they went out to see UFOs and you know
they would make they would remote view
where the UFO would be and he said, "You
know, they're going to meet me." And he
would write me emails and say, "You're
going to come film me. You're going to
come film me. Go out there." And then
I'd follow up with him. I was like, "So
did you." And he's like, "Yeah, timing
wasn't right." Or something [laughter]
something went arai. But um
>> yeah.
>> Uh I'm going to I'm going to pause for a
second. Sure.
>> Um we got some questions from the
audience if you don't mind.
>> I don't mind.
>> Would you like to take a little break
before we get into this or are you good
to keep going?
>> I'm fine.
>> Okay.
>> Now, now I know that one of the
questions we already kind of answered
and that usually happens cuz
>> Yeah. You know, I have good questions,
but arguably the questions from the
audience are always better because
they're they're so intelligent. There's
smart people in there and there there's
a whole bunch of them. You know, I think
you got like 20 20 or 30 questions here,
but uh we're going to grab a few of
them.
And if uh if you at home wonder how, you
know, how can you possibly ask one of
our guests a question, uh you can become
a member and that is one of the perks
that you get for being a member. So,
here we go.
Great question.
So, this here uh by Alan P. Barker asks,
"Billy's visitations are ongoing. Was
there ever talk of installing live video
feed all around the area?" It's a great
question. Well, the context began in
terms of the modern day the stuff for
public consumption and all in the 70s75
um during that early time into 80s uh
they're still in a I'm just looking at
this talking out loud because they're
still putting together environment. No.
Now there were of course people who
wanted to come to the contacts and uh
Billy speaks about this and people who
believe that they had a mission with the
player and all that but no because again
this is it was going to be frustrating
for people in certain ways because they
knew their agenda again is to start a
controversy or contribute to something
that started earlier if you want to look
at it that way but to help get it
worldwide.
And the best way it's this eye candy
approach. There'll be other people who
snap photos, people in other countries
who had taken photographs of these
craft. So, okay, you're going to have
the photos out there.
Be patient. We're going to get this
controversy going. We're going to talk
about these things, but no, we're not
here to keep this going in a way that
well, okay, that's that was okay, but
how about we we've got people that got
some questions. Can you do a thing over,
etc., etc. It would just lead to more
focus
on the eye candy, which was not their
purpose. That's my interpretation of it.
>> Okay. Interesting.
Um, a lot of people out there love the
eye candy, though.
>> Of course. Who didn't? [laughter] If
you're into UFOs,
>> uh, I'm a big fan of the eye candy. Um,
this is a great question.
>> Gina asks, "What is one thing about the
Meyer case you don't know that you would
like a definitive answer to?" Well, that
is a great question.
>> Yeah. Something that you could just go
like definitively
you there you have it. There's your
answer. What would that be?
I I've never had I I can't recall. I
mean, that's a great question. It's one
I should I will think about a lot more
and maybe have to send it into you. It's
like
there's so many answers for things that
I've wanted to know since childhood.
Things that I was having dreams on and
lights in the sky being underneath a
disc that
I get it now. It doesn't matter to not
because somebody says it doesn't matter.
It's like that's the phenomenon of that
and in the context and we'll dip into
this just a little bit in the context of
this the UFO and the trai this
discshaped thing that Bob Lazar that
Billy M all this this is not an accident
and this may help some people and maybe
it helps with this answer I don't know
what's been said in this case is that on
earth there are people human beings who
have been part of you know the original
earth humans evolving over long periods
of time. People alive today their
creation energy form their essence
may have already had two million
incarnations as different people because
we're never in this reincarnational
thing which we didn't can't really go
too far into but yes there's such a
thing as reincarnation but it's not what
we think. We're never the same person.
We don't remember past lives. There is
there are parts of that that have more
information how we can draw on
information that is contained from every
life. Okay. But then there are also
people who are here who are here because
they came with one or another group of
extraterrestrials.
Not always a great romantic thing. They
died here. they were abandoned here or
they were attacked and killed by
circumstances other people in the one of
the laws is that a spirit form that dies
on a given planet
reincarnates
reanimates a new personality on the
planet on which they die. Now that to
answer a possible next question on that
is that if you're a space traveler then
and your society reach space travel and
you die somewhere else on a planet and
there it kind of works that you're not
going to suddenly
have no future personalities because
there's no life on that P that we go to
the spirit forms will be attracted
through creational law to an inhabited
planet none of which are in our solar
system where there is evolving human
life at a level that is commensurate
overall so that the spirit form comes in
there's a new personality it can be it's
already has access so that it can fit
into that society and evolve
consciousness the the meaning of life
the evolution of consciousness so the
universe isn't
this univer it's not like oh the
universe is punishing me or rewarding me
absolutely doesn't happen there are laws
and it's if a circumstance comes about
that creates this problem it's solved in
this way universally and then you have
have to go on with your evolution if
there's a crash in space itself or
something and you you die on a ship same
thing of this creation energy form is
attracted to the next habitable planet
or evolution at this level.
>> Does it have something to do with the EM
field like the electromagnetic fields of
the the planet?
>> Not as such as I understand it because
it's more the evolutionary level of the
human life forms on that planet. So that
because we don't I mean conceivably
>> but life to for life to even exist there
would have to be like an EM field to
protect it from certain radioactive
>> all that stuff is you know part and
parcel there are those kinds of
questions em fields when you get into
things about fluidal energies what are
those and swinging waves and how does uh
telepathy work and what are ghosts and
what are apparitions and what are these
supposed paranormal things there's
nothing paranormal
There are things that happen according
to known laws or we don't yet know the
law or it's a hoax. It's pretty simple.
>> Yeah.
>> So, we have some of all of that going
on. So, this question to come back to
it.
I I don't know what question I still
have. I'm being honest and I may well
have some. That's a great question. Was
there a question in the past I'll
reframe the question here.
>> Yeah.
>> That you that was burning and that you
had answered.
>> Yeah. Now, yes, to a degree. As I said,
I wanted to know what came before the
beginning. How did anything come into
being? Billy's got an entire book on
that. And there's a new book that comes
out people will be able to get off the
site that is also addressing this
because he goes through that. And uh
we've read some of the explanation about
this cuz he explains things in different
places and he is a big believer in
repetition. So you will find he'll say
it he'll say it this way he'll say it
that so that we get the access to the
information through the modalities that
we're working with right intellect
wherever we are in understanding there
are people at higher levels of
understanding can go through things
let's say a little more quickly because
they're l they already understand that
most of us won't understand this some
will
okay so on that level do we have an
answer for that yes and no Because that
answer alone poses a question that the
brain cannot get around. And even Billy
has said even the playarin I I asked him
said Bill do the playar know the answer.
No the human brain can only go so far.
It's only if answers are to that come
about they will only be in the higher
levels that and they've spoken about
well what is the evolution of a human
being? We will go through countless
millions of lifetimes and years and move
towards a more refined more atheric not
total semifysical semi you could use the
word creation energy here hyphenated
work form until we are at a level of
development where the next if you will
incarnation
or the reincarnation sphere isn't into a
physical form. into the lower levels of
the creational energy.
This goes on. There's the Araat.
Billy's got a whole book on that. That
book rivets me. It's just such a
powerful direct.
>> So that was your answer to like
>> how far
>> how far does it go? Where does it end?
And it just kind of like there's levels
to this.
>> There's levels to it. And uh don't
don't torture yourself. work with that
in the teaching. Start or continue so
that you can start to answer more
questions that also are very much about
here and now life. Billy is an earth man
now and he said that to the player and
because they've offered, you know, they
offered to give him a fake arm. No,
thank you. I'm an earth person. That's
part of it. And he says, "Just
practically speaking, if suddenly I
appear with a left arm, how long is it
going to take for some military to
kidnap my butt and start taking me
apart? I don't want that."
Um, well, these are all great answers.
This is uh fun. Definitely fun to talk
about. Um, you know, definitely leaves
me wondering and curious more than
anything. I'm I'm gonna, you know, have
to do some reading myself, but I have a
feeling there's a lifetime of that
awaiting me. So, I'll probably not get
to the bottom of it, unfortunately.
>> Can I give you one? Because sure, I
mentioned earlier off off camera. Uh,
last night I was thinking about
something and I asked Andrea to make a
note for me and the 7- foot giants. Some
people are will remember a couple years
ago, I think it was in August perhaps of
2023
where it was reported in Peru that 7-ft
tall giants were abducting and maybe
even harming people, women from the
village or whatever. And it was this
whole thing. And as soon as I read that
originally, bang, it was [clears throat]
one of those aha moments. I know I've
got this.
1976,
it's in books and everything else. And
it's from one one of the higher, you
know, creation energy levels that feeds
that Billy cannot talk to or he can
receive and he gets the teaching and he
has to work to make sure it's the way it
supposed to be, but he can't really
dialogue with them. This is my
understanding. There is a level that he
can go back and forth. Not that level.
Okay. So this is the patitali level
and they spoke about the time that will
come in Peru
when the 7 foot tall giants will emerge
from their centuries long hiding places
underground to molest the people there.
And there's something tied into a quake
in Udin which I think is or Odin in
Italy. And indeed I was able to find and
I I didn't look into that part again
today but I found that so I could send
it to you. And that verifiably 47 years
or whatever it is after that was
published that event occurred [snorts]
right down to where
and the size of the people. I think they
also said they were redheaded or red
tinged or something and that this was,
you know, an unwelcome thing and
okay, what's the chance [laughter] of
that 47 years? Because you brought up
the point of, you know, like a dart
board thing. Are they just throwing
darts?
>> We haven't found the the holes in the
wall.
>> Sure.
>> Yeah.
>> So, and all of that and at some point I
would like to offer our film to your
audience and let me know if I can do
that.
>> Yeah, definitely. Okay.
>> Yeah, I'll uh I'll leave a link in the
description if you send me a link or all
the information will be down there if
you like.
>> Good.
>> Okay. Yeah, great. We'll leave that
below. Um thank you so much for for
coming here, for sharing this with me.
Um and for being so rigorous in in in
understanding about my skepticism to,
you know, to this case. Um it's it's fun
to be able to have that dialogue. Um,
you know, as someone who is researching
this and doesn't really know where to
put a lot of things yet, um, it's fun to
just be offered at least at the very
least a new piece of the puzzle.
>> Um, you know, I'm I'm still a ways from
from being there, right? My conviction
level fluctuates constantly.
>> Um, but nonetheless, I find this
fascinating and interesting and I think
worthy of a deeper look at the very
least. And I'm the two guys that who've
done the research that you both at least
speak the same language. Sure. And I am
>> on the photography side.
>> Yeah, that's one I want to watch.
>> Yeah, I I'll definitely I'll definitely
be in touch and if anything I I'll just
look up their work and and have a look
at that as well. But um I encourage the
audience to you know not stop at the one
thing. maybe have a deeper look and if
you know if you feel inclined to you
know look at some of the contact reports
or some of the documentaries I would you
know highly encourage you to do that by
looking at things no one's going to say
you believe it you know and that's the
that's the one thing about this whole
space and a lot of things when it comes
to personal beliefs which is like a
binary thing if you research something
that doesn't mean that you believe what
you're researching and and I think it's
a really important thing for people to
practice ice is just intake information
on a very unbiased uh level and without
you know just pass it through your
filters and see how it resonates and
that's it. You don't have to commit
either way. Yes or no. Um but I
encourage you to do so and and if
nothing else if nothing else you'll be
potentially thoroughly entertained and
it isn't a complete waste of time.
>> Can I throw a thought in?
>> Sure. I've been asked if I believe in
Billy Meyer, believe in UFOs, and I've
said, "No,
when you know something, you don't have
to believe in it. You could be wrong, of
course, but rather than belief, I have
the evidence in my experience, and so
I'm comfortable as well with with people
who don't have uh have informed their
own determination." I try to answer, oh,
this is really asking for trouble. I try
to answer all my email, but you've got a
>> an audience off the ch I can get around
to it, but that's it. People, please do
your own research. If it's really
pressing, I will try to respond if I can
help. I may be very tur and say look
over here that this I know, I don't
know, whatever. But you have opened your
forum, your audience, your world to this
where most people with big platforms
won't do it. They just prefer the what I
consider the easy way.
>> Sure.
>> So I am thanking you and so I welcome
>> we're in the same boat really.
>> Well, there's uh rest assured that those
who are opposed to any of this won't be
watching at this point.
>> [laughter]
>> You're right.
>> So, they they have long since written
their emails.
>> Yeah. And their comments, right?
[laughter]
This guy smoking. Yeah.
>> That's right. But but but for the for
the strong, brave, and true that have
that have fought this one out and are
still here listening, you know. Um thank
you for for listening. Thank you for
watching. And uh feel free to check out
some of the work that uh Michael has
left you and some of the links below.
And at the very least, just have a
gander at some of the stuff that's out
there on the internet about this case.
It's very interesting and it continues
to uh mystify, baffle, and intrigue me.
Um, and uh, yeah, I look forward to uh,
seeing more. So, thank you, Michael.
>> Pleasure.
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