the phenomenon. What is it we're
interacting with? Are we interacting
with more than one thing? And what's the
goal? 100% they are putting on a very
carefully orchestrated,
vigorous [music] publicity campaign.
They really, really want us to know that
we are not alone. I honestly think we
are dealing with people like us who
certainly have a much better
understanding of other dimensions. What
does this mean? You know, I think it
means our relationship to them is a lot
closer than we realize cuz contacties
will get the message. We are you. You
are us. We are one. And I saw his face
kind of just melt away. The nose got
damaged. The lips. The head got bigger.
The hair went away completely. [music]
And the message was they are human. They
have a different ancestry. They have
damage done through radiation. I'm uh
specifically fascinated by the mantids
cases. Okay, [music] we'll have the
small grays, the humanoids, the tall
grays, but then way back here behind the
curtain, you got like these overseers.
And he turns around, he said it was the
scariest thing. They were sitting on
these white kind of thrown like chairs,
stone on a deis. And he says they press
and they were 15 ft tall. He was
trembling and they said, "Would you like
to go to our planet?" He said, "No." I'm
so mind-b blown right now. I can see
this kind of hole in the wall and then
I'm been hurtling through space because
I'm like, "Okay, I'm being taken. This
is awesome." And it turns out this is a
thing. If you start investigating this,
they might start investigating you.
Ladies and gentlemen, we are joined
today by a very exciting guest I'm
looking forward to having a conversation
with. This is Preston Dennit. Uh you
might be familiar with Preston's work
through his various amount of books.
Preston's been a researcher for a very
long time and also has a really really
fun interesting YouTube channel that you
should check out where he talks about
these experiences, UFO encounters of all
nature and it's really just um you cover
high strangeness a lot as well which I'm
really into and you have a really good
way of connecting the dots and so I'm
looking forward to this. My audience
actually suggested to have you on
multiple times, so I think they're
really excited to have you on. Uh,
welcome, Preston Dennit.
>> Thank you, Chris. I'm excited. Yeah,
going to be fun.
>> This should be fun. Um, I want to start.
There's so many cases to go through. Um,
which I'm going to eventually ask you
about. I want to go through a list of
like your top cases, your highest
conviction cases, the high strangeness.
This will be a really good episode for
anyone who's looking to just get a
broader sense of all the strange
encounters that are out there. But I
want to start with your encounter um or
encounters I should say uh of which
there were many. And uh maybe you can
start I'll let you take it away.
>> All right. I mean it's hard to know
where to start cuz growing up I was
skeptical of all this. didn't believe
any of it. In hindsight, I'm like,
"Okay, there was that incident of
missing time when I was about nine years
old where I missed lunch." I was in my
bedroom and uh we're six kids in our
family. You don't miss lunch cuz they're
not going to eat. And uh I missed lunch
and everyone said, "You we called for
you." I'm like, "I was in the bedroom."
Uh they said, "No, you weren't." I
always wondered about that, but never
really put to you know, the dots
together. and a few little things like
that, but nothing I could sink my teeth
into. And uh
>> that all kind of changed once I started
investigating this subject. And it turns
out this is a thing. If you start
investigating this, they might start
investigating you.
>> They being the aliens.
>> It's called UFO investigators disease.
>> Yeah.
>> Ed Conroy coined that term because he
started having contacts after
investigating Whitley Strieber's case.
>> Wow.
>> And I looked at other UFO researchers.
I'm like, "Wow, a lot of them have had
this." And I was in in the middle of an
investigation of the Topa Canyon UFO
wave, 1992.
And I'm over at my brother's house and
my sister-in-law, and they're helping me
through all this cuz I was new to this
field. And he had had an encounter. She
had visitations by ETSs when she was a
little girl.
>> It's in my family.
>> So, they're helping me and I'm like,
"Okay, it's late. It's Sunday. I got to
go home.
I'm driving. You know, they were in
Woodland Hills. I lived in Kenoga Park,
6 milesi away maybe. I'd leave their
house going around this hairpin corner.
Can't go more than 5 miles hour. And I
see what I think is a a bird. This is,
you know, almost midnight. It's not a
bird. It's a little ball of light. So
now I'm thinking maybe it's a
firecracker. It's July 1992.
And uh towards the end of July, July
20th, thereabout.
So people are still shooting up
firecrackers and that's where I went.
And this darn thing comes down and
hovers right in front of my windshield.
Like a foot away. I mean much closer to
than I am to you right now.
>> Whoa. How big was it roughly?
>> Little bigger bigger than a ping pong
ball.
>> Okay.
>> Not big.
>> And what color?
>> White.
>> White.
>> Soft white. Hard edges. and it's
hovering and kind of wavering slightly.
This thing goes back to the edge of the
windshield all the way to the other
side, back to the other side, and then
stops right in front of my face. I'm
like, "Okay, it's intelligent. It's not
a reflection." You know, your mind
starts I'm stopped. I'm gripping my
steering wheel. And this thing scoots
forward, almost touches the ground, and
goes straight up. And that's the last
thing I remember. And here's the weird
thing. I didn't remember this. I
completely forgot about it.
out of my mind and for I don't know four
months and then one day I'm just sitting
there I'm like
>> huh
I remember seeing this
>> it just triggered randomly while you
were just pondering
>> there was no cue or anything like often
people will say oh
>> no I just remembered it you know I'm
sticking to this this this did happen
>> I'm now convinced I had missing time
because I don't remember driving home I
would have turned around I'm like Mark
Christie I've seen this or
>> right? Yeah, that's definitely not
something you can just move past.
>> Right. So, that was 1992, a big year for
me. I had a sighting with my brother and
sister-in-law a month later up in Crater
Lake area. This lights blinking on and
off and we're clicking our flashlights
at it and it's responding. And then I
joined CETI.
>> Mhm.
>> The group with Steven Greer and we
started calling down UFOs that same year
and it just rolled out from there. I
started having sightings pretty
regularly. I'll tell you a couple of
really good ones. Um I was heading this
meditation one year. This was probably
94ish.
And we're all sitting in a group.
There's five of us. And I just start
getting we're all we're all meditating.
Our eyes are closed. This is in Tanga
Canyon. Pretty beautiful hot spot.
>> Yeah.
>> And I started getting this message. Look
up. Look up. Look up. Look up. Look up.
I'm like, I'm not looking up. I'm
meditating, you know, I'm trying to calm
them down, but this message just
wouldn't shut up.
>> Was it audible?
>> No.
>> No, it was just an impression.
>> Yeah.
>> And but it started getting stronger. I'm
like, fine, I'll look up. No sooner did
I look up. There's this dot of light
high in the sky, star-like. But it
expands, expands, expands, expands, and
it's I hate saying this, but it covered
like a third of the sky. Oh my gosh. So,
this is not a shooting star. It's like
someone pouring milk on the top of a
glass table and you're looking up just
it's man and you know later talking to
Dolly Saffron she's like oh that's a
light gate that's ETS coming in or out
which makes sense cuz that same night
one mile away I ended up interviewing
this couple who saw this major craft
literally just over the other side of
the hill same darn time. So that was a
good sighting. Wow. Um, a couple more
leading up to my major onboard
experience. Uh, I'm driving home from a
friend's house, San Diego to LA, and I
start to see this object over the
freeway.
This is a 405 freeway,
never empty. And of course, I'm
maneuvering. Everyone's going 70 miles
an hour. I'm like, what the heck is
that? Cuz I know this route. I've done
it a hundred times. And it's a very low
cloud ceiling. And there's this giant
globe of light right over the freeway.
Like I don't remember that. And I'm so
kind of coming closer and closer to it
looking for, you know, some sort of
attachment of the street light. No. And
I'm right under it. I'm like, okay, holy
crap. This is something. I got a
message. It said, "Your niece has just
been born."
How crazy is that?
Turns out that's my sister-in-law who
had a major face-tof face encounter with
Grace. her son had an humanoid encounter
and a sighting. So, they're kind of
carrying on the whole ET
>> gene generational thing.
>> But that was a weird thing and it kind
of ties in.
>> And was was he?
>> Yeah, she was born.
>> Whoa.
>> Yep.
>> So, how did you find that out? Did you
call your sister and were like,
>> "Oh, when I got home, I'm like,
uh, Alex, she was born, right?"
>> Yep. My brother had a close-up sighting.
Uh, that's what got me into this field.
Yeah.
>> Can you tell me about that? Because that
really left a mark on you.
>> It did cuz I was a skeptic. I'll never
forget November 17, 1986 cuz I'm
watching the TV news and you you might
remember this date uh Kenju Trochi. Yep.
>> Jal Airlines. Yeah. Huge case.
>> Yeah. Massive case.
>> Yeah. Which the news just joked about.
>> Yep.
>> They're like, "Ah, yeah. This guy thinks
he saw you."
>> One of the most credible sightings, too.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. None of that was in the news
report. It was just joking tongue and
cheek.
>> Now, of course, we know it's got radar
and they were followed for an hour and
so forth.
>> 96 was an interesting year, too. I think
was it was um this was 86.
>> Oh, it was 86. Okay. Not 96. Yeah. Okay,
that makes more sense. Yeah,
>> cuz I was like 96. It feels a little
late for for that sighting, but that
Yeah, that makes more sense.
>> I was 21 years old.
>> Yeah.
>> And that got me to remember, oh, my
brother Mark came running in the house
when I was 13. I saw a UFO. And I'm
like, "No, you didn't. The stars are too
far away. You're deluded. I was I I
bought the Air Force, you know, party
line.
>> Hoaxes, hallucinations, misperceptions,
mental illness."
>> Yeah.
>> You're all crazy.
>> That's right. Mass hysteria.
>> Yeah. And uh then I went to Mark. I'm
like, "Okay, tell me again." And he
described this amazing sighting with his
two friends.
>> Was it a disc or a ball of lighter?
>> It was a classic flying saucer.
>> Wow. Little lights around it, dome on
top, silent treetop level. They chased
it down Rita Boulevard for 15 minutes,
passing other cars. This thing would
wait for them. They'd get real close, it
would dart ahead.
>> Whoa.
>> They get up to it. It would dart ahead.
>> It was playing Koi.
>> Yeah. So, he's telling me all this like,
"Mark, you're what?" It's like, "Call
Phil and Greg, his friends. You know
them." I did call them and they
confirmed it. Added a few more details.
So that knocked down the wall for me.
Opened the door and I found out my
sister-in-law had a sightings. She had a
sighting over Vanise Air Force Reserve
base. 3 months later saw Grays walking
by Stag Street Elementary School.
>> What?
>> In daylight?
>> No, this was around midnight. She went
for a walk to collect an abandoned
shopping cart. Uh she wanted it. walking
with her little dog Sarah and sees these
two kids standing right in front of the
school under the flood light. She's
like, "Well, that's weird. They look
bald, you know." Then she's thinking,
"Do they have masks on? This is summer.
It's not Halloween." She walks about 10
ft away from them and they turn. Look at
her like that. And she said it was like
being woken up when you're awake cuz
these were grays. She didn't she didn't
use that term. This was before,
>> you know, people were really talking
about this. She described the same
thing.
>> Yeah, she's an artist. Idic memory.
She's going from top to bottom. I'm
like, she says the almond eyes,
>> the wraparound eyes, the the giant
heads.
>> I had her draw them for me.
>> Slip like mouths. So
>> I'm like, oh my god. So that that was
it. By then I knew they were real and I
had all the books I could get my hands
on.
But you didn't suspect
that you
had anything to like I mean cuz at that
point you just thought oh these are all
just like unconnected disconnected
coincidences but I mean there's clearly
something there if your whole family is
well the first thing I did was like is
there have I ever seen a UFO? No, I
never have.
>> Mhm.
>> And it took me a year or two to like
remember that incident of missing time
when I was like nine. you got with a
ball of light.
>> Get this. My brother, [laughter]
my sister-in-law is sitting next to him
on the couch and she's like, "What's
that on your arm?" And I could you could
palpate this thing. It was a little
stick like object right under his arm
hard. Yep. And you could you could see
it if you pressed on it. So I took him
to a Muon field investigator who's a
doctor. The guy's eyes went really wide
and he's like, "Oh my god, we need to
x-ray this. You know, you could remove
this." And my brother Mark instantly
clammed up and I'm like, gosh, you know,
when someone's within a couple of
hundred feet of UFO, I now know that's a
huge red flag. A distant sight setting
is one thing, but if you're close up red
flag, you mean what do you mean by that?
>> Probably a more extensive encounter,
>> right? There's probably something else
that followed or preceded it,
>> right,
>> that was more direct.
>> So, I'm wondering, I mean, how did that
get in his arm? And is it related? I
can't say for sure, but it disappeared
>> because the sighting he had with his
friends,
>> right? It was pretty darn close to him.
>> And I've come to realize
>> it's no accident.
>> Yeah. So, it's in my family. I brought
it up at work. That was a huge mistake
because the lady I worked right next to,
she's like, "Oh, yeah. I mean, my whole
family saw one. My daughter, she had
these things come into her room. You
know, you should talk to her. It just
happened." Like, just happened. You're
kidding. She's like, "Yes." It was
ongoing as I just got involved in this
field. Wow.
>> One of those weird synchronicities. And
in walks Dorothy, who you would love.
She's so, you know, outgoing, punny. And
she's like, "Oh, UFOs." When followed me
home from the library. We live five,
[clears throat] no, 10 minutes away. The
weirdest thing, Preston, we left at
9:00, right when the library closed. It
followed us home. We saw it dart away,
and her friend Carol turns, looks at the
clock, says, "Dorothy, it's 10:15.
Where did the time go? So I'm like,
Dorothy, you were abducted. She like,
what? [laughter] Because, you know, I
learned to be a little bit more reserved
when I'm interviewing people, but I was
young. But
>> how many people have you interviewed in
in your career?
>> I mean, I've talked to thousands upon
thousands. Formerly, a few hundred
>> formerly. And by formally, you mean
people who um have had direct ET contact
>> who would allow me to record them.
>> Yeah. and you know, let's do a full-on
interview with you. That's official.
>> Several hundred.
>> So, yeah.
>> And with all of that, you've been able
to map out a clear or at least a pretty
clear picture of what's going on,
>> I think. So,
>> so what's the uh what's your gestalt on
all of this?
[laughter]
Where where do we start here? How do you
see the phenomenon? What is it we're
interacting with? Are we interacting
with more than one thing? And what's the
goal
>> according to you? These are questions I
want to know. These are
>> it's a loaded question. I
>> I know it's I know it's a loaded
question, but answer it as as you see
fit. I would, you know, I give you the
floor.
>> Well, I know there's all these theories
people, you know, like, oh, it's a
phenomena. It's an intelligence that
wears different masks. I don't subscribe
to that. Uh, that's
>> the Jacqu Valet sort of school you don't
subscribe to.
>> No, I I know that there are little
people, you know, fairies and gnomes,
which I think are real. I don't think
they're ETSs.
>> Uh, personally, I don't lump all this
phenomenon into one thing. I don't think
they're time travelers from the future.
I've scoured the literature. I have no
cases that really speak to that. Uh, so
they're certainly not demonic. I know
that's a very popular explanation. So, I
dove into all of that. I mean, I became
a paranormal researcher. ghosts, demons,
angels,
>> exorcisms, levitations, all of that
stuff,
>> personality, even they have missing
time.
>> That's right.
>> So, I looked into all of that and no, I
don't think it's demonic. I honestly
think we are dealing with people
>> like us who certainly have a much better
understanding of other dimensions,
psychic abilities, and things like this,
but they're all humanoid almost without
exception. You know, I'm expecting
aliens to have tentacles as a skeptic
and you know, just the blob or
something.
>> Sure.
>> And that's not what we're seeing.
>> We're seeing bipeedal.
>> Some look just like us.
>> Yeah.
>> So, what does this mean? You know, I
think it means our relationship to them
is a lot closer than we realize. And
that certainly comes up in contactee
accounts because contacties will get the
message, we are you, you are us, we are
one. That exact phrasing. I've heard
that probably a half dozen times.
Exactly that. But something along the
lines of we share a common ancestry.
We're not that different. We used to
look just like you, the grays.
Uh yeah, I actually had a you know what
they call a download once. Uh which I
always wondered about. People are
describing their experiences. I'm like
>> it feels Yeah. Nebulous a little bit.
>> Yeah. I'm not quite sure what you mean
cuz you can only understand so much
through words. But I was just out of my
mind trying to figure out who are these
grays and I was lying there in bed just
thinking about it. And then it's hard to
describe. Suddenly it's like a vision
u just pouring into my mind a lot of
knowledge all at once. And what they
showed me was a human male
nicel looking guy. Suddenly the next
frame is he's losing a little bit of his
hair and it started going real fast like
a deck of cards. Image after image after
image and I saw his face kind of just
melt away. The nose got damaged. The
lips the head got bigger. The hair went
away completely. And the message was
they are human. They have a different
ancestry. They have damage done through
radiation. That was the message I got.
But grays are human. That's my personal
message. So that answered something, but
not all of them though.
>> No. But before I get into the whole
agenda or, you know, what I think is
going on, can I tell you my own
experience,
>> please? Yes. Yes. We've skipped over
that. Yes, absolutely. This is
something. Okay. Yeah. I didn't know I
didn't know this. Um, and you know, I've
watched some of your videos. I'm reading
your books and I'm I'm getting familiar
with a lot of your work, but I guess one
thing that's somehow just eluded this is
your own onboard ET experience. And so
you shared this with me over dinner
yesterday and I was I had a visceral
reaction to this. I was literally
dumbfounded. Now,
I mean, it is the craziest confirmation
for me. For you that you could ever hope
for as a UFO researcher, you got to go
on board a UFO.
>> Yeah. It's funny. People think, well,
he's he's a UFO researcher. You know,
he's
>> making it up.
>> Making this up.
>> I can I'll only tell you what I
experienced. And like I said, I think if
you get involved in the subject, you I
was circling around it. They were
circling around me.
>> Where did this happen physically
geographically in Rita?
>> Was it a remote area?
>> No.
>> No.
>> There's two million people in the San
Franando Valley.
>> I It's more densely populated than all
of Wyoming. I mean, there's [laughter]
>> And where were you when this happened?
>> I was in this little house in RCA. It's
800 ft house on one side, another all
completely surrounded. And I'm in my
bedroom. I'm dreaming, you know, just a
normal dream, blah blah blah. And then I
wake up, you know, and I'm fully awake
now because I am being pulled through
the wall. I can see this kind of hole in
the wall. I'm like, "Okay." And then I'm
being hurtling through space. And here's
the weird thing. I recognize this
feeling. I knew that this had happened
to me before. It's a very electric
feeling. A mild electric shock. Is this
anything like an out-of- body
experience?
>> No. I mean,
>> really?
>> I've had a lot of obes.
>> That's what that was my next question
because I I know that you you've
mentioned this last night as well. And I
being a little familiar with out of body
experiences, having had a few of my own.
I know that there is an objective
difference between a dream and an out-of
body state. like
>> it is objectively different,
>> but there are subtle similarities as
well because you're in this sort of
wishy-washy
weird mind state, but you're completely
lucid and you're you can look around,
look at your hands, ask yourself
questions, you can touch things like
it's it's very sort of real, but there
is a dreamlike quality to it. I don't
even like using the word dream because
then people jump straight to, oh, it
must be a lucid dream. It's not. It's
there's a difference. But you're saying
that this experience of you being pulled
through the wall was different from that
as well. Was it more real? Um, when
you're OBBE there, it's the environment
almost seems more real. I mean, it's
super vivid and as you progress with it,
it that dreamlike aspect kind of goes
away and you really begin to get a
control of what's going on, where where
you go, what you can do. So, it's
dreamlike in the beginning, but it
starts to really
>> Okay.
>> get more clear.
>> And this was different.
>> It was different.
>> Oh, yeah. I mean, I don't know how to
describe it, but I felt like I'm flying
through space in my in my body.
>> I'm so mind-b blown right now. Is it
closer to this reality or closer to the
OBBE reality
>> or closer to like something else?
>> Uh, it's a little different.
>> Okay.
>> I mean, it is a little different from
just walking around.
>> Yeah. Obviously,
>> but I wouldn't equate it to the OBBE.
>> Okay, good to know.
>> Um cuz it felt physical. I mean, I could
feel it and I This was 30 seconds of me
flying through space. That's a long time
cuz I'm like, "Okay, I'm being taken.
This is awesome. I remember this
happening. This is crazy. I hope I get
to stay with them. This, you know, this
is what's going through my mind." Cuz,
you know, after I had that missing time
experience, I did start to recall some
of what happened. I remember being on a
craft and they were showing free energy
motors and the wall peeled back. They
showed the Milky Way. I saw how they
pull up water into their craft. Whoa.
>> They'll sit you in the pilot seat and
fly you around. These are kind of dream
flashback memories that I pulled back by
just meditating. I never did hypnosis.
I'm I'm kind of interested in trying it,
but I really wanted to do it the way I
always recommend people. You know, write
it down, meditate, work with dreams.
Betty Hill, she remembered her whole
encounter by just dreaming about it.
>> Yeah. So, at any rate, I'm flying
through space. I'm like, this is great.
I am loving this. And suddenly, I I
didn't see the craft. I'm on a table and
there's this very tall woman standing
next to me looking down at me. She is
rail thin. Snow white jumpsuit,
huge blue wraparound eyes, tiny little
nose, tiny little mouth, very tightly
curled blonde hair, very short and just
really nice. And she's looking down.
There's little guys around me, but I'm
not really looking at him. And I'm
trying to get up and she put puts her
hand on my chest like, "No, no, we need
to make sure you're fine." I'm like,
"I'm fine. I've done this. Let's go."
Oh, it's like, "No, no, no. We We need
to check you out first." And I'm looking
around, right? Like, "This is a there's
the round room. Look at there's the
walls. This is insane. I've talked to so
many people and here it is happening to
me." This is my birthday, by the way.
This is my birthday. And this is 2022.
>> Yep. May 6th.
>> So, only four years ago.
>> Yeah.
It's the ultimate, you know, because I
You know how long I wanted this? This is
insane. I can't I can't imagine.
>> I've wished for this. I'd be I'd be out
there at night. Come down. I'm ready.
>> And it's happening. Are you saying to
yourself, "It's happening. Oh my god,
it's happening."
>> I did have a gray, I think, once come to
my bedroom. Scared the living daylights
out of me. I woke up. I'm like, because
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this video. And I opened my eyes, and
there's something standing next to my
bed that's real thin, and it darted out
of my room like nobody's business. My
heart went
scared the daylights out of me. I didn't
get up, didn't investigate.
I've talked to so many people who are
like, "No, I didn't do anything." I'm
like, "What? I get it now." Yeah, I get
how people can completely forget a UFO
encounter because I've had this. So, I'm
on this table [laughter]
and finally they let me up. And so, I
leap literally to my feet. This is a
very low table. And there is this very
tall gray who I instantly recognize.
Now, you're going to be talking to Dolly
Saffron. She's a contactee I
interviewed. I wrote a book about her
case and she describes this tall gray
that she calls mama.
Uh, and that was her. I knew instantly.
There's a weird knowing, you know, they
communicate very effectively,
telepathically.
She's 7 feet tall, if not eight, and 10
feet away. And I go right to her cuz she
is the most beautiful creature I've ever
seen. She is a gray I mean, the big
eyes, tiny little nose. She's full on
ET, not like this other lady who was
clearly a hybrid. She looked half human.
>> Yeah, half human.
>> Uh, but and she's wearing this kind of
smok.
And I looking up at her, and she tilts
her head, leans forward, and said
telepathically, "So, is this what you
thought it would be like?" And I'm like,
"Nope, this is so much better. This is
amazing." And she kind of chuckled. She
was amused. I'm like, can I explore?
Like, go ahead.
Which is So, I'm looking around. We're
in a 50 foot wide room round and
>> any features on the walls.
>> There was a row of windows all the way
around.
>> Were there archways?
>> I didn't see any.
>> Okay.
>> Um, there's there might be some stuff I
don't remember. [laughter]
>> Sure.
>> But what I do remember is going to the
other side and looking down at the
Earth, which is round, by the way. And
I'm estimating we're 500 miles up from
looking at cuz I'm like, how high up are
we? It wasn't a tiny little globe off in
the distance.
>> No. Yeah. You're still in the orbit.
>> Yeah. And I'm like, wow, look at that.
This is insane. So I turn around and I
go to the center of the craft where
there are two rows of people standing
and they're in a days. They're out of
it. I'm like, well, that's weird. You
know, there's a black guy, a lady, so
different ethnicities. So, I go up to
this girl. I'm like, "Hey, my name's
Preston. What's your name?" And she's
just, "Be no. She's not there."
>> No. And I wanted to like shake her and
like, but
>> lights are on, but no one's home.
>> I realized probably No, don't mess with
her. She's I turn and I look and there's
fullon grays. These kind of 5 foot tall.
And that one made my heart leap up a
little bit cuz they look different.
>> How different? They don't look friendly
or do they look
>> I don't know if it was different from
mama who's just they just looked really
alien.
>> Oh my gosh. You
>> know, they're just I don't know. It's
hard to describe. They're typical grays.
>> Yeah.
>> But it's like, "Oh my god, I'm here."
>> Jumpsuits.
>> Uh yep.
>> What color were they wearing?
>> Gray.
>> Gray jumpsuits.
>> I can see why people think they're
naked. I don't think so.
>> Oh, you you think it's just like a Yo, I
see. because people aren't seeing, you
know, the anatomy that is there. I I do
believe.
>> Right. Under certain light condition.
Oh, you believe they have genitals?
>> Oh, yeah.
>> Okay.
>> I've got reports of it.
>> Yeah.
>> It's It's rare, but
yeah. Then I I saw this lady, you know,
I think she's Korean. I worked with a
Korean girls. Looked just like her.
Don't think it was her, but she's fully
conscious. She's like, "Whoa, look at"
and she's over by the other side. So, I
walk over to her and I'm about to ask
her, you know, what's your name? You
know, I'm President. I want to verify.
You know, this is
>> Yes. Yes. Can you get a last name?
Anything.
>> Yeah. Cuz that would be like something
else that I mean, that would be one of
the biggest cases ever,
>> right? So, I'm about to, you know, say,
"Hey, when they drop the ship, you know,
mine, we're like 500 miles up down to
the earth in a second. Literally one
second." And I'm looking down at this
view and there's these little symbols
that's overlaid over the window on
almost like Google Maps kind of. Yeah,
these are like squirrelies and
>> alien symbols and I don't know what they
mean.
>> Uh but we're suddenly right down. We're
10 feet above the and the craft rocks
like this
>> like it's on a wave.
>> Yeah. And I could I felt that
>> like it's on the water.
>> Yeah. cuz I didn't feel any
you know like when you're in an elevator
and you're weightless.
>> Yeah.
>> Didn't feel that.
>> But the craft itself was behaving though
as though it was
>> Yeah.
>> You hear about this obviously you know
um one of the more famous case being the
Chuck Clark video and the craft sort of
oscillating.
>> I look for that when I interview
someone.
>> Mhm. And you saw that. You felt that.
>> Yeah.
>> Wow.
>> Yeah. It was so cool. And then boom,
we're go we're back up and the next
thing. So I turn around and I because
mama is calling. She's like calling to
me the tall gray. She hands me a cup
like this but half the size and it's
thick. It's a thick glass tumbler. H
there's this green liquid. I'm thinking,
okay, I wrote an article about this.
Alien drinks. I know what's going on
here. I don't Well, I don't know
completely, but there it is. the green
liquid and she's like, "Go ahead, drink
it." I'm like, "Okay, I trust you." And
I sniff everything. So, I'm like, "Don't
really smell it. It's thicker than
water. It's almost syrupy."
>> Okay.
>> And uh
>> light green, dark green,
>> light green, translucent.
>> Looks like ooze.
>> Yeah. [laughter]
>> Like the Ninja Turtle ooze.
>> It was maybe 3 ounces. It's not a lot.
And that was the same liquid that Dolly
had described as well.
>> Yeah, I've heard this from a lot of
people.
>> Well, the same tumbler even, right?
>> Um, well, I asked her about it. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Cuz in in symmetry, she writes about the
tumbr as well being thicker. And so that
stuck out to me.
>> Yeah.
>> Huh.
>> So, you're getting all this
confirmation.
>> It's different though, you know, because
you get this idea in your head of what
people are people say, "Oh, the walls
are rounded." In my head, I'm thinking
it's an egg. No, it's not like that.
It's the floor's flat and then it rounds
up. Well, this came down like a dome.
I've had other experiences though that I
recall. I mean, this once I found myself
on board. This is a memory, right? And
there was a little table and there was
this tall tall white. I could not focus
on his face. Wouldn't let me see it. And
he said, "Do you want to see the other
room?" They showed me what looked like a
power source. Uh, that's what he said it
was. And it was just slats kind of in a
metal thing. And my vision was going in
and out. But he pointed to the corner of
the room and said, "Look there." I
turned the wall transparent. We were
underwater.
>> Whoa. I'm like, "Oh my god."
So, I mean, I've I've got quite a few of
these kind of things. Um, but
>> uh, let me ask you about the transparent
wall.
>> Yeah. um because that is a recurring
thing as well. Whether it's Bob Lazar
talks about that in the craft, the wall
going just transparent and becoming like
some type of screen. I've heard another
guy Jesus Hofraia who was uh from Spain
who talked about this as well as he got
a tour in the ship which looked you know
again discshaped uh by these humanlike
entities and they were showing him
around the walls just disappeared like
they were but there is um also the um
the Aztec craft was rumored to also have
that through high-owered uh tests
highowered voltage that it would go
>> I suspect we have this technology
somewhere
>> and so um But a lot of the reports were
that it wasn't completely
see-through. Was this completely like it
wasn't there?
>> Yeah. It's not like looking through
glass.
>> It wasn't like looking through like some
fuzzy No.
>> No. It was clear as day.
>> You'd think you could stick your hand
through it. I mean, it was empty.
>> Understood.
>> But yeah, we were underwater. I didn't
see anything but water. I'm like, "Wow,
look at that."
So, when you're back on this uh craft
and the mama calls you towards her, you
you didn't get the other lady's name.
>> No, I didn't. Do you kick yourself
sometimes? [laughter]
I bet you do.
>> Yeah. I I I I would have stayed with
them, honestly, cuz there was a feeling
there like, "No one's going to lie here.
No one's going to kill me. I don't have
to pay money." You know, it's a
different place. It's like advanced. I'm
like, "Wow, I felt at home really." I
unbelievable. It's just a different
feeling. But she's like, "Okay, drink
this." I'm like, "Okay." And I took a
sip. And I I could taste it. A little
bit of kiwi, a little bit of lime.
That's the closest I can get to it.
Sure. And, you know, it wasn't bad.
>> A little. Yeah. A little sour.
>> And she takes it away from me. I'm like,
"Hey, dude. I thought you gave me this
was mine." And she's like, "Okay, you
want another sip? Go ahead." She looked
at me like I was insane. I'm like, "No,
really. I'd like another sip.
Uh, and I did and blacked out. I'm up in
bed. Snap of fingers. I'm back in bed.
So, I asked Ollie about this. I'm like,
"They gave me the liquid. What is this?"
This is to prevent, you know, it helps
with radiation exposure. It's kind of a
medicine nutrition type thing.
>> So, you have radiation. You're exposed
to radiation on the craft apparently.
Yep.
>> Through them perhaps because they might
be radioactive themselves.
>> Yep. partially explains their physique
and their, you know, why they look like
the way they do.
>> Yeah, Dolly can go into more detail
about that.
>> Yeah,
>> that was my on board experience. The
best one. Fully conscious.
>> Whoa.
>> A birthday present intentionally, by the
way.
>> Four years ago, man.
>> Yeah.
>> That is like cuz you hear about a lot of
these cases and when people describe
them, you go, "Yeah, but you were nine
or you were seven or you were four." Do
you know what I mean? and and and after
time it not that it has no merit because
I think it does. It's just that people
they have a hard time,
you know, sitting on 50 plus years of
like memory and being like you can't
count on that. But this happened Yeah.
four years ago. There is no way that
that is just some weird like memory
trigger. That is objectively you were
researching UFOs and aliens and ETSs and
then you found yourself on board. Did
you have your memories of your previous
encounters unlocked after or prior to
that?
>> Prior.
>> Prior to
>> I worked hard at it and I did a lot of
meditation like I need to remember what
happened during this missing time. This
is driving me crazy. And I started to
remember
>> how many um So you meditate still
regularly?
>> Yeah.
>> What do you use? You use like hemisync?
>> I tried Hemisync. I didn't like it.
>> Yeah.
>> Um it felt like it was forcing the out
of body experience
>> and [clears throat] to me it feels like
it should unfold naturally.
>> Uh and I I didn't really need it at that
point. I was already doing it pretty
regularly. You're already leaving your
body. Yeah.
>> Yeah. which in coincidentally
and perhaps not coincidentally happened
at the same time I started doing UFO
research and interviewing so many people
who've had contacts like oh yeah I
started having out of body experiences
at the same time I'm like okay click
click click dots are connecting here
blowing this is blowing my mind I never
talked about you know I'm doing a lot of
research and people would say oh you've
had your own encounter I'm like yeah I
saw this orb came down it took me a
while to even realize that was a missing
time incident.
>> Yeah,
>> cuz I'm like, God, I don't remember
driving home. I've had a lot of
sightings. I'll write them down. I'll
tell people that. No, that one slipped
by me. Very strange. Very anomalous. Um,
yeah, that would stand out. Um, because
it's easy to say, I don't remember
something because, you know, we don't
remember most things. But when it's
something of that nature, something that
you're studying that you take so
seriously,
>> you would you would remember that, you
know. So for you to not remember it,
that would stand out.
>> Yeah.
>> Um
going Oh, sorry. Go ahead.
>> Okay. You want to get to the ET agenda
now?
>> Well, before we do, I mean, yeah, you
want to circle back to obbees a little
bit later because I want to I definitely
want to dive into there because I have
questions of my own. As you know, I'm
exploring this space as well.
>> I love the OBS. I could talk forever on
those.
>> So, let's talk about it. Um, we can save
the ET agenda for a little bit later. I
feel like I I feel like there's not much
we can do about it anyways. Um the OBBE
stuff is is really interesting. As you
know, I I explained to you last night.
Um I had two spontaneous out-of- body
experiences back toback. Um a month
after interviewing
um Joe McMongle where he talked to me
about out-of- body experience. I up to
that point I had never heard of it and
it wasn't even in my mind when it
happened. Like I had no idea when people
said astral travel or out ofbody like
near-death experiences, that's where my
head went. And I was like, "Okay, people
floating in the hospital room seeing
their body." That is as far as my head
goes. So when it happened to me, I I was
just I I didn't even know what was
happening when it happened. It took me
like a several days to be like,
>> was that what I was experiencing? Like
an out of body. Um, but like you said,
like I was researching this stuff when
it happened to me. Um, and so that's
really strange. But then even stranger
is I remember and I documented this as I
was meditating for months trying to
leave my body, trying to have that epic
adventure um, willfully doing it instead
of some accident, you know.
>> And when it finally happened, I was so
excited. I couldn't see anything.
Everything was dark. I was just I knew
but I knew I was out right. There was
the vibratory sense I knew I was out
>> and I remember in that sort of haze I
wanted to go to Paris for some I was
like Paris Paris Paris but as I said it
my voice went like I can only describe
like deep like the devil. It was like
Paris, Paris, like it was like the
darkest and it scared the crap out of me
hearing my own voice. And I said this to
you yesterday at dinner and you go, "Oh
yeah, me too." That happened to you. You
had the same in the beginning. Yeah. In
the beginning stages that happened a
couple of times. Several actually. It's
the weirdest thing. I would try to talk
and come
like what the heck can I not talk? I had
a hard time in the beginning learning
how to see, learning how to move. Um,
>> everything was fuzzy for me at first,
like lowsaturated,
almost like a black and white.
>> Yeah. For me, how it unrolled was in
1984, my mom passed away, 49, pretty
darn young, major heart attack.
Devastated, of course, because I don't
believe in life after death. We never
talked about it in my family. Uh, I
thought everyone was skeptical of all
this stuff. Some weren't. They were kind
of hiding. But two weeks later, I see
her ghost, her spirit at the service. My
dad's driving up in the car and I see
her sitting next to him
and drives right up. I am right there.
And she's, you know, she's got a great
posture. She's always, you know, telling
sit up straight. And I had people on
either side of me, of course, and I'm
looking at them and they're not saying
anything. And I'm not going to say
anything cuz I don't believe in this. I
think I'm hallucinating.
I've never taken hallucinogenics.
I've never really hallucinated. So, but
that's what I'm thinking because I can
see her full color and she kind of
pixelates away. I'm like, well, I've
lost my mind. I'm clearly delirious with
grief. This is my secret. I'm never
telling anybody because, you know, it
doesn't look good on me.
>> Yeah.
>> Uh, and that's the first weird
experience. You know, I did have a few
paranormal experiences as a young kid,
but that's an aside. Well, uh, anyway,
about a year after she died, I started
waking up in my room cuz she would walk
in and I thought I was sitting up in
bed. I'd be like, "Mom, you're dead.
What the what is going on?" And she'd
just kind of smile at me and say, "It's
okay." You know, I'm okay. That happened
10 times, 20 each time. And then I would
wake up for real. So, false awakening.
And now looking back I'm like, "Oh,
these were probably pre- lucid or obbees
that I wasn't clicking to."
And it got me interested in dreams,
lucid dreaming, which I pursued and
couldn't really do it. And then I found
Robert Monroe's book. Like I'd like to
give Robert Monroe a big thanks here
because he really helped me a lot. His
book uh Journeys Out of the Body. I love
his books.
>> Yeah, same.
>> But I read his book. I'm like, "Wow,
this guy did it. He's clearly honest,
>> mapping it out.
>> I'm like, "This is crazy. This sounds a
little scary, actually." But he's like,
"You can do this. All you have to do,"
and he gave little exercises, relaxing
and stuff like this, meditation. I'm
like, "Okay." Because that's the kind of
researcher I am. I'm like, "I went ghost
hunting. I I saw ghosts, you know. I
went Bigfoot hunting. I had a Bigfoot
experience. You know, I'm looking for
UFOs. Had those. I'm like, okay, obes.
This is something I can sink my teeth
into. I can do this." uh because it's a
natural human talent you know this is
not something that only yogis can do
anyone can do this and he gave the
exercises and I doubled down I meditated
an hour a day and immediately my dream
recall doubled and tripled and
quadrupled I started having pre- lucid
dreams I'll never forget my first actual
OB
I go into my room I'm a little depressed
a lot's going on you know I'm in college
my car's not working I've got this UFO
thing I'm trying to handle. And now I'm
like, you know, still dealing with my
mom's death.
So, it's a lot going on for a young man.
I need to move out at this point cuz,
you know, I'm still living at home. So,
you know, a lot's going on. And I lay
down on my stomach and all of a sudden,
I feel the vibrations. Robert Monro,
it'll be a mild electric shock. It was
mild. I was absolutely sure I had stuck
my finger in the light socket next to my
bed. [laughter]
because I was being electrocuted and uh
suddenly there was this pop [snorts] and
I flew out of my body. I'm flying
uncontrol out of the room across the
hallway and into the bathroom. I finally
managed to stand up and I grabbed the
counter and I'm looking in the mirror.
There's nobody there. I'm like, I'm out
of body. This is real. There is life
after death.
>> This is amazing. It's a whole In that
one second, my life changed
>> and I got so excited. Whoosh. right back
into my body. There was someone in my
room, by the way, some 5 foot tall,
maybe 4 foot. I'm like, "Who's the
what?" My vision's so cloudy, I can't
see. And I'm, you know, horizontal and I
drop back into my body. I jump up like
feeling really good now. Like, I did it.
Yeah.
>> So, I did that the next weekend. Same
darn experience. Third time, I wake up
and I'm standing next to my bed in the
middle of the night. I'm like, "Oh, I'm
so dizzy. You know what's going on? I'm
disoriented." And I shake my head. I'm
like, "Oh, okay. What am I doing
standing next to my bed?" And I look
down and there's my body. So now I'm
thinking I'm dead. I died. This was
probably not a good idea. I dived back
in and I had to wiggle into my body. I'm
like, "Oh my god, this is taking Where's
my arm? [laughter]
It scared me." Yeah,
>> it did. And I woke up and I almost
forgot it. I came that close to
forgetting it. [snorts] But from that
point on, I'm like, "Okay, I'm I'm all
in. I'd pop out. I'd be like, I did it.
Whoosh. Right back in.
>> Yeah.
>> Took me a year to just relax enough to
calm down. I'm [sighs and gasps] okay.
And then I would be floating in the
middle of my room like a spider. I'm
like, I this is not working. Finally, I
learned just think.
>> I would go through the door or the
ceiling, fly up over the house, and I
slowly explored, learned to get farther
away from the house. And I wanted to see
my mom is what I really wanted to do cuz
[snorts] this is why I wanted to do it.
Like is there life after death? And
eventually she came and we hugged and it
was the most amazing reunion you can
imagine. And eventually you know I
popped up like mom where are you? You
know I'm here meeting you halfway. Where
are you? And she appeared looking young
and you should see me out of body. You
know I'm mostly bald. I had great hair
when I was young. I used to get
compliments and you know I worked out
I'm oh man I look good if I say so
myself.
>> How do you know that you look good?
>> You can see you're like
>> oh yeah
>> and you can create a mirror.
>> Yeah. Oh you can make one.
>> Oh yeah.
>> You can create anything you want once
you get good at it.
>> You can adjust. Your thoughts are things
you can create.
>> It's like instant manifest.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. That's how I felt too. I when when
it happened to me it was a little scary.
It was very scary. It was one of the
most terrifying experiences of my life.
Um the obese because
there is a clear
a sense of
careful what you think about.
>> Yeah.
>> And and it was like I I knew that
instantly.
And as soon as it happened to me, the
first thought was I want to go into a
UFO and see an alien. This is the first
thought that I had, but it was such a
micro second and right away I was I
negated it. I said, "No, no, no. I'm not
ready for that. That's too scary." And I
knew that if I did that that might have
happened. And so that realization hit me
within like a fraction of a second that
careful now. Whatever you want, you're
going to get and if it's good or bad,
you're going to get it. And so I was
like very cognizant of this and the I
describe it as like walking a tight rope
of fear of like I just got to stay on
this tight rope and I literally one foot
in front of the other. I'm I got
blinders on. I do not want to look over
there for fear of seeing something I
don't want to see. And I'm just walking
straight and narrow and talking to
myself being like, "Oh my god, it's
happening. Okay, just calm down." And
just I'm doing this and and and you
know, as I told you, I heard I hear this
like female voice being like, "What are
you doing?" And that just scared like
disconcerting.
>> Did not want to hear that. Please don't
talk to me. Um and I went right back to
my body. That was the last time
>> it's safe. You should know. I It's as
safe as sleeping. You're doing it every
night.
>> I know that though. But there's a
difference between that and then as soon
as you're in and it's like and you're in
the upside down and now you're like, "Oh
my god." Like it's it's it's terrifying.
Um well, it's called the emotional body
as well. And your emotions come in full
force. When I say I was excited, I'm
kind [snorts] of dumb.
>> I was beyond excited. And when you're
afraid, it it's BOF feedback kind of
doubles, doubles, doubles, and you're
like,
>> "Yeah."
>> And I would get really angry sometimes.
I [snorts] was ready to wreck the place.
>> Whoa.
>> I would get overcome with lust. And I
could go into that, but it's too extra.
[laughter]
>> But I dealt with that.
>> Yeah.
>> And I would create feasts. I get hungry.
I would create feasts of food. Always
the same. I'd create chick my favorite
foods chicken nuggets, brownies, sour
cream, onion, potato chips, neopolan ice
cream, a glass of orange juice, and it
would just all appear on a table and I
just gorge would disappears right around
here. You can't get full. So I can kind
of understand what you know a hungry
ghost is. That's a term
>> or people who die who are addicted to
something or just you cannot
>> can't feed it.
>> You cannot satisfy it. But I got through
all of that and eventually my mom took
me to the other side where it's more
beautiful than words can describe. The
green sparkle, everything sparkles. It's
all radiating light from within.
Uh you can't be in a good mood if you
wanted to. There's no way. Uh it is
literally, you know, I'm not a religious
guy, but it's the heavenly realms. I
I'll take that.
>> Sure. You can't be in a bad mood if you
wanted to, right? Okay. No. Now, there
are lower realms. I've explored those
and those those are dark.
>> So, you've done quite the explorations.
You've done
>> I've gotten good at it. I bought every
book I could find. Uh this became a big
part of my life. It's like discovering a
whole new world. It's like you once
you're in, you're in. Like this is in I
don't know why everyone isn't doing
this.
>> It's the same feeling I had when it
happened to me. I was like I need to
tell everyone about this. It would
change your life.
>> Yeah.
There's and I think that's that's part
of like the the Monroe protocol too,
right? Robert Monroe had this was it you
call it like the T00 or something like
that or the M1000 or he he wanted a
thousand people or 10,000 people I
forget what the number was to experience
an OBBE because he believed that if you
had an OBBE if everyone had an OBBE
there would be no more wars.
>> Yeah.
>> Um and I believe that. I I truly do. If
everyone felt that feeling crazy
>> it it changes the lens with which you
view reality.
>> Yeah. It exploded my psychic abilities.
I started having telepathy with I I knew
what people were thinking at work. I'm
like you're lying to me. I could hear
them talking. You know they'd be talking
to me. They're thinking something else
and it gets garbled. I'm like what did
you just say? Because I'm hearing
something else. I mean it's crazy. I
started having precognition.
>> Yeah. Dreams that come true,
visions, driving to go to the get some
money for out of the bank, right? I'm
like, God, this vision is coming to my
head of someone standing in front of the
ready teller and he's a 6' tall guy in a
leather vest, you know, uh, bare
chested, long hair down to here, and
he's whipping it around like a maniac.
What the heck? You know, why is this
coming to my mind? This is insane. And I
come around the corner to the bank and
there there of course he is right in
front of the ready teller doing exactly
what I saw. I'm like, "Okay, I'm not
going." I got the message. I'm not going
to get cash out of that ready teller cuz
this guy was dangerous clearly.
>> But a lot of stuff like that. It's
crazy. It's insane.
So it ramps up your psychic abilities.
And I'd come back I'd feel what people
were feeling. I had to be care. I
couldn't watch violence on movies. I It
was just too much. I felt that way after
the Monroe Institute, after coming back
from spending a week doing the gateway
process. Have you Have you been there?
>> No.
>> You should go.
>> I I would have loved to do it. At the
time, I didn't have the time or the
money.
>> Yeah.
>> I'm pretty sure like because you're in
this field and have an audience and
everything else, they would probably
like I don't want to speak for them, but
I'll speak for them. I'm pretty sure
they would they would do for free.
>> Oh, wow.
>> Yeah. I I think they should anyways. Um,
I think you should definitely because I
I feel like you would be also because
there there are teachers and stuff there
too, coaches, but I feel like you'd have
a lot of input based on your experience.
>> That would be fun. I I teach people how
to do this now. I've got a little
two-page guide I put together.
>> Really?
>> Oh, yeah.
>> Can Can we link that for the a because
I'm sure a lot of the audience is going
to be really into that.
>> I always tell people just email me
prestonfo easy to remembergmail.com.
>> Perfect.
>> And it's two pages. I've really narrowed
it down. There's ways to do this
>> of your of your steps to go. Okay,
>> there's only four obstacles preventing
people from doing this. Fear people, it
freaks them out. Skepticism. Oh, I don't
think I can do it. Ignorance. They have
no idea. You know, it's applied
knowledge. That's all it is. And
laziness. I tell people the steps and
they don't do them. You do these steps.
I almost guarantee you will start having
these experiences. I can't guarantee it,
of course, but
>> yeah,
>> some people have a steep learning curve.
they're really afraid. Uh others I've
told people like you can do this. Come
to my seminar. They come to the seminar.
I already did it. You know, all you have
to do is even know about it sometimes.
>> Yeah. So, but it's I can't recommend it
enough. You can visit your past lives,
enlightened masters, that is crazy.
Healing temples.
Oh, the stuff you can do is just crazy.
Secret schools kind of classes to do
telekinesis. And is all those superhuman
powers. You're there. You're flying.
You're doing telepathy. You're doing
telekinesis healing. That's a big part
of it. I was taken to heal people
occasionally.
Uh
>> like real people.
>> Yeah.
>> People that were like in hospitals and
stuff.
>> One was my sister. A couple of people. I
don't have no idea who they are. Um I
start
>> Were you with anybody when this happened
or were you alone?
>> No. Oh, they they guided me.
>> Yeah. I'm almost always alone, by the
way. Robert Monroe, he's got his guide.
I'm like, what the heck? No.
[sighs and gasps]
>> Occasionally I would have guides, but
usually no.
>> And they brought you to heal people.
Now, that's interesting because you have
a whole, you know, your was it your
first book was the 300 cases of uh
healing extraterrestrials.
Um,
>> yeah,
>> it's very fascinating.
>> It was 100 my first book. I reissued it
cuz I found
>> every time I speak someone would come up
and like this is more common than people
realize.
>> You're going to get a lot of that after
this. I guarantee you you're going to
have you'll have enough to write 10
books after this interview.
>> Um there's going to be a lot of people
I'm sure that are going to reach out
with these stories.
>> Well, the healing is abs and I can say
this hands down. This is not
speculation. It's a part of the ET
agenda. This is why people are being
pulled on board for one reason.
Certainly because people are if you're
going to get on an onboard experience,
you're almost certainly going to be
examined. And this is so scary for
people. I understand that [laughter]
these are aliens and you're like, I
can't move. What's going on? This is
crazy. Evil, evil, evil. Well, actually,
you know, they're saying to you right
now, don't be afraid. No harm will come
to you. first thing that every time
people are taken on the board, they will
say that without exception. Uh, and this
is when people if you're panicking and
you're in complete fear
that you're probably going to have
missing time and that's all you're going
to remember and yeah, it's a negative
experience and you can call the ETS
evil. Actually, I've interviewed, you
know, hundreds and hundreds of people.
About 5%, three will say, "Oh, they were
evil. They, you know, they were there to
hurt me." The very worst I hear is this
exam occasionally painful because but
you can touch a person and and if
they're afraid ah you hurt me you know
what [laughter] I mean so I think one of
the main reasons that people are being
on board is a physical checkup because
they will often heal you one of my first
cases a lady was healed of an ovarian or
a cyst in her fallopian tubes well
verified she had went to the doctors and
they're like, "Oh my god, you had an
operation." This was the day before she
was supposed to have her operation.
Grace came to her room. And so she goes
to the doctor and like, "Well, we can't
find the cyst. It looks like you have
had an operation. Where did you go?"
She's like, she played dumb. Uh, and but
they said, "Well, there's fluid here in
your fallopian tube. We know you've had
an operation. This looks like a laser
scar." I'm like, "God, this is not the
only healing case I've heard of." Whoa.
You know, because there's Jacqu Valet
had a very famous case of a medical
doctor in France was healed of a
ax wound on his foot and partial
paralysis in the Algerian war. Instantly
thought of that police officer
uh that's Robert Good and uh Deputy
McCoy Damon Texas. They're driving in
their patrol car. UFO is there. Sends
down this beam of light. heals him of a
wound on his finger. His son's baby pet
alligator [laughter] had bitten him and
healed it instantly. I'm thinking of all
these other cases, a case in Brazil of a
little girl healed of cancer. Uh Ralph
and Judy Bloom wrote about a case of a
Peruvian customs official who's on his
veranda UFO shines on a beam of light
cures him of rheumatism and weirdly
myopia, nearsightedness.
>> Crazy stuff. So, I started I'm like, I'm
going to write an article about this
because I've got my own case and here's
a few that know this subject hadn't
gotten any attention really. There was
one article written before mine that was
by Gordon Kraton
uh of the flying saucer review.
>> Yeah.
>> And so I found that, but I found like 30
40 cases off the bat. I'm like, "Wow,
this I can't write an article about
this. This is a book."
>> I dug in. I found a hundred cases.
>> Not 300. Yeah. And I can tell you this,
almost every major researcher out there
has cases.
>> Yeah.
>> David Jacobs, he's not thrilled with the
ETSs.
>> Yeah. You know, fine. But he's got a
case of someone cured of dtheria.
>> I found her case. And she's like, "Well,
he misrepresented it a little bit. I my
encounter was actually really nice.
>> She loved it." Uh, and
>> so there was some fitting it into that
threat narrative on David's behalf, you
think?
>> Yeah. I mean, I love him. He's a great
researcher. Anyone who enters this
field, kudos. Yeah, I'm very happy to
see that.
>> Yeah,
>> cuz he helped a lot on the subject.
>> But Bud Hopkins, he never wrote about
it. I cornered him in a convention. I'm
like, Bud,
do you have healing cases? And he's
like, well, actually, yeah, we've got
quite a few, and I'm really encouraged.
You know, this shows a good side of the
ETSs.
And
>> yeah, that's
>> but let's see. John Mack, Barbara Lamb,
Ivonne Smith, Edith Fiori, Tim Beckley,
Brad Stiger, I mean Michael Hessimon,
RD6 Killer Clark, you name a researcher,
I bet you they have a case if they're
focusing on the onboard experiences in
particular,
>> they all have them.
And orbs too, just coming in and healing
people. And in hospitals specifically,
there's a lot of cases of that of just
these orbs coming in over people and
just healing them.
>> Insane. Yeah. Any UFO researcher knows
an encounter can happen anywhere.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, crowded suburb, doesn't
matter. But in a hospital,
>> Yeah.
>> You're kidding me. I found about 10 to
15% maybe up to 20 took place in a
hospital room. Really wellverified
cases. some of these.
>> Yeah. Multiple sightings, like multiple
people, multiple witnesses.
>> Yeah.
>> And so,
yeah, I I can see how easy it is to
conflate that with miraculous religious
events.
>> Yeah,
>> I see how that ties in. And I see why
maybe some researchers might be a little
reticent or reluctant to want to discuss
the healing stuff because it does seem
to cross over into the religious
dogmatic spectrum. Um, you know, we look
at cases like Chris Bledsoe, a very
famous case as of late. Um, and clearly
some healing elements there, not only
with the ETs, but specifically with
Chris himself. Y
>> um
>> not unusual by the way.
>> Not unusual. Yeah. We had Eric Dansteel
who was here who said that him as as a
child in the hospital healed another boy
after uh an an encounter with an orb.
And so
yeah, I can see why people would be a
little pulled back from that topic.
>> Well, look at it this way. When this
subject became popular, most UFO
researchers wouldn't even touch the
humanoid cases.
That was took a while to bleed into
mainstream research,
>> right? You mean like the space brothers
type
>> at all. Yeah.
>> Donald Keyhop.
>> Yeah.
>> Wouldn't touch human cases.
>> Yeah. Right.
>> Which, you know, I understand it was new
subject and last thing you want to do is
bring in the woo.
>> But crash retrievals, no one would touch
those either. And now it's the forefront
of research. And really the heart of the
UFO phenomena is
>> to me firsthand contact cases.
>> Same. Because that's where everything we
know, let's face it, about ETSs comes
from one source and that's the people
who've seen them. I don't trust the
government on this subject. These recent
disclosures, you know, what, three days
ago? I looked at the films, I'm like,
really?
>> Yeah, they're lackluster, you know, at
best.
>> Let's see the Air Force uh where was
Edwards Air Force Base landing? Cooper
was there when it was filmed. He saw the
film.
>> They have that. Let's see stuff. Yeah.
Yeah. Come on.
>> Yeah.
>> When when Bray and Moltry, the heads of
the defense guy, said, "Well, we know
nothing about Roswell."
Melmstrom, what's that?
>> Come on.
>> Yeah, exactly.
>> The heads of defense and you don't know.
>> You got the Bob Jacobs video, like all
that stuff. Where's that?
>> Yeah.
>> I haven't gone through all the files
have been released, but I looked at the
films like I knew it. I predicted this.
We're going to see more fuzzy dots. And
we did.
>> Yeah. pictures and and videos of of uh
amorphous objects behaving like behaving
prosaically. Um the files, some of them
are interesting. I went through them,
but they're mainly uh just sort of some
some of them are interesting, I got to
say, because like they expound upon they
expand a lot of the cases that are out
there already, the Lonnie Amore stuff.
So there's like his whole thing, but
then there's like, you know, the guy who
he radioed into and like so it adds a
little bit more to some of these cases.
Um, even there are I think four other
people around the same time that Kenneth
Arnold had his sighting that recorded
discs. This is prior to Roswell, right?
So, um, it's all in and around that. I
think that was pretty cool. But again,
like you said, I'm not holding my
breath. They promised more, but that's
what their MO is.
>> Gun camera footage. We know this. If you
talk to Frank Fishino, his book, Shoot
Them Down,
>> Yeah.
>> that kind of lays it out in black and
white. You know, they've got plenty of
footage that we're not seeing.
>> Yeah. I mean, we've seen footage from
these aircraft of missiles that are
clear as day that are like the best
footage you'll ever see. It's 8K
footage.
>> Yeah. I mean, some of these
whistleblowers are talking about they've
seen these footage. Where's that?
>> Yeah. And they and they talk about how
there's symbols on the craft that they
can read. And I'm like, well, you got to
have pretty good cameras for that. And
sure enough,
>> we're not seeing that.
>> Yeah. Either it doesn't exist.
>> They're making it up. or they have it
and they're not sharing it. Right. Yeah.
Well, here's the way I look at it. You
know, we think of the government as
three, you know, uh, separation of
powers. We've got judicial, we got
legislative, we have the executive
branch. That's not the government.
>> The real government is the intelligence
agencies, the military-industrial
complex. I'll name names. I think it's
the energy industry, the banking
industry, the insurance industry, the
pharmaceutical industry. These are the
folks I think are behind it. That is the
government and the highest levels of the
military. That's who's running the
1enters. Yeah, there is a cabal. There's
no doubt in my mind. Uh so those are the
ones I think who are behind the cover up
ultimately.
>> Yeah.
>> It's very hard to pin down, you know,
because you can't use the Freedom of
Information Act on these folks.
>> No.
>> No. And there's a rotating door of this
sort of fraternity
>> of these people where they they're in
and out of these positions into another
one. They go from, you know, one
government contractor. They go from
Northrup Grumman to SIC to like blah
blah blah blah blah in these. They're
just constantly rotating doors at the
top.
>> And very few very few of these people
>> president, you know,
>> I think there's some people in the loop
who are within government.
>> Oh yeah.
>> Who are bad actors.
>> I think you have to be.
>> Yeah.
>> If you're controlling this,
>> but I don't know. It's it's that's not
my specialty really. I'm more into the
whole contact thing.
>> I am as well. But I can tell you for
sure that healing is part of it. And
here's what's also really interesting
cuz the UFO phenomenon was it's
historical. We know this. It goes way
back to, you know, ancient India. I
mean, stone carvings. It goes back to
when we recorded history. And you can
see this all the way through the Middle
Ages and upward. The Romans called them
flying shields, so forth. We know it
goes way back. But 1947, something
changed. And this coincides, of course,
exactly with the atomic age when this
huge super wave sweeps across the US and
people start getting pulled on board.
And we can pretty much predict what's
going to happen when someone's taken on
board. They're going to be physically
examined. And if you don't freak out, if
you can just remain calm, they will talk
to you. And almost always, Thomas
Bullard outlined this. He was the first
guy to really study 300 some cases and
this is what happens. And he's
absolutely right. They will give you a
tour of the craft
>> every time.
>> And it's the coolest thing. I've had it.
I've talked to a lot of people. They
will take you down to what we would call
the engine room.
>> Yeah. UFOs don't have much in them. Uh
but they will show you this you know how
they fly or what powers their craft
which is almost always something to do
with electromagnetics
uh free energy anti-gravity harnessing
the magnetic fields lines of our planet
people give different variations of this
I think depending on their own
understanding and what they could grasp
but that's absolutely probably one of
the first things that happen then
they'll take to you to what I would call
the observation deck
the side of the craft and they'll open
it up and most people will see the earth
below or no way the first would be a
starfield. They'll show you the stars,
then they'll show you the earth, then
they'll show you the moon. Got a number
of cases of people shown Saturn, which
is so cool. It's a very recognizable
planet, but they will take you even to
other planets. So, that's pretty
consistent. I would say that's the best
word.
>> Yeah. But then they show you something
else a lot of times. I mean, there's
there's all kinds of things that can
happen.
>> They I mean, you know, from from what
I've gathered, too, is like almost
without fail, you'll be shown or told
something like terrible. Like a lot of
times there'll be images of like
>> Yeah.
>> very bad things happening to the planet.
>> Well, that's the next thing. The
conference is what Thomas Bullard called
it. And they will start often with your
own personal life. Like, oh, you're
going to meet this person. You need to
move from this area. You're in a good
place. um you need you know to do this
do that or this is going to happen to
you personally and then they will start
talking about the world in general and
yeah the messages are incredibly
consistent
four main areas and I don't care if
you're talking about grays mantids
little blue beings tall whites strange
humanoids of all kinds because there's
an endless variety of what I would call
ethnicities I'm not sure they're
different species
uh personally Because the ETSs will say
it over and over again. That's one of
the messages. We are you. Like I said,
you are us. But they will the first
thing nukes. They don't like them. They
say that we are damaging areas that
we're not even aware of. We're on the
pathway to self-destruction. This is a
bad idea. They know where all of the
bases are, all the missiles. They will
almost always mention
the dangers of nuclear proliferation in
any capacity, nuclear material. And
beyond that it would be war and
aggression. They're very much concerned
about how we treat ourselves and each
other. Pollution and the destruction of
the environment. Those are the three
main areas right there. Greed and
corruption. That does come up also. But
basically, and this is very encouraging
to me cuz people are like, "Oh, they're
evil. They're evil. You know, they're
trying to take over our planet." I'm
like, "I don't know. This seems to me
that they're much more concerned about
how we're treating our planet,
ourselves, each other.
because that message is very consistent.
And if you're a full-on contact, almost
certainly they're going to sit you in
the pilot seat at some point and like,
would you like to try it or let's go for
a ride? uh they seem to be very
interested in elevating people's
I'll use that word elevating enhancing
um encouraging people's psychic
abilities because it's a rare contactee
that isn't having mediumship
precognition astral projection remote
viewing healing
you know the whole spectrum
and here here's something really
interesting that kind of shocked me
because I'm looking at these healing
cases I'm like all these people being
healed. Come on. I could use a healing.
Millions of people out there are dying.
You know, why aren't they being healed?
You know, why don't they just hand over
the technology? Of course, that would be
a huge mistake. We weaponize everything
and everyone got healed. Well, we
already have a problem with population
control. Uh but okay, who's being
healed? Who's being healed and why?
Who's being contacted and why? Well, we
know it's generational.
That's absolutely established.
And uh there's a random aspect too. If
you're driving down a highway late at
night,
opportunistic almost ETSs, there's so
many people who've had that and it's a
one-off for them, which is so rare cuz
most people if you're being taken on
board, you probably had experiences as a
child.
>> But I was interviewing this lady from
Norway. She heard about my healing
research. She's like, "I got to tell you
what happened to me. It's the craziest
thing. I was in my bedroom and Grace
came through the wall. I could see this
blue light outside. She said it was so
scary. They flipped me over like a ragd
doll. She was screaming at them like,
"What are you doing here?" Didn't
answer. Maybe she was in a lot of fear
cuz I think they will talk to you, but
if you're in fear, it's, you know, hard
to communicate.
>> You're not hearing it. Yeah.
>> But, uh, she says that they put this
thing on my back and she described it.
You know what like a lint remover looks
like? A little handle with a cylinder.
I've heard people describe this. Uh, and
that's what she described. She says,
"They put it on my back and I felt this
pulse of energy and they filed out
through the wall. She ran to the window
and the blue light winked out." So, a
short experience, 3 to five minutes. And
I'm like, "Okay." And she's they healed
my back. I'm like, "Oh, I've got I've
got 20 cases of back healings, right?
stomach aches, cut fingers, colds, flu,
everything [snorts] from cancer to liver
disease, kidney disease,
>> arthritis,
>> you name it. Diabetes, tuberculosis,
uh, pretty much this long list that's
growing.
>> Backs. I mean, they're going to they're
going to come from light years or
wherever to heal someone's back. Okay. I
mean, they are, so whatever.
>> But she describes this, I'm like, okay,
let's go through the list because
there's 20 questions I ask people. Well,
more but you know main things to see if
you're a contactee. Childhood
experiences. Nope. Do you have you know
light sensitivity? Have you seen orbs?
UFOs? Missing time? No. No. No. No. She
had none of this. I'm like, okay, this
is odd. She's not showing the markers of
a contact.
And um so I'm like, okay. I started
asking, you know, the hard questions as
I got better at this. You know, do you
do drugs? What's your political
affiliation? you know, just random
questions looking for patterns because
that's my specialty. I love finding
patterns. And finally, she's like,
"Well, you know, I asked her, "What do
you do for a living?" And she's like,
"I'm an I was a graphics artist." I'm
like, "Oh, that's kind of interesting.
I've interviewed quite a few artists."
But she says, "Actually, you know, I'm
retired
and I don't want you to use my name
because I'm pretty well known in my
community. I work as human or human and
animal rights activism."
that instantly rang about because I had
just interviewed Reverend Michael
Carter. Don't know if you're familiar
with him. He's pretty well known in this
field. He's written some books, had
experiences. He was healed of a blood
clot in his leg. Um a dangerous
condition. He had was awarded by
President Clinton, I think, for his work
against racism. I thought, "Oh my god,
there's John Hunter Gray, social worker.
He had a major healing event." started
clicking click click click Jacqu
Filelet's case that was a medical doctor
Ray Hernandez had a case involving a
doctor nurses I'm like oh my god okay
people who are doing good work for
humanity in some capacity these are the
ones being healed
>> they're healing the healers
>> yeah well I mean let's see I found
doctors nurses writers teachers
>> artist
they love musician
>> they love musicians it's crazy um but
animal rights activists,
environmentalists,
PE I interviewed this couple who was in
Sedona. They said, "No, we weren't
abducted. We were invited on board. They
were humanl looking. There was nothing
in the craft." You know, the all the
stories you hear. And she asked, he was
healed of a carpal tunnel syndrome and a
bad knee. He was a postal worker and did
too much walking. And I'm like, "Okay."
She's a herbalist, herbal healer, and he
is a social worker. They live on Hawaii
and he helps out. And she asked them
like, "Why don't you just come down and
fix everything?" Like, "We can't do
that. You have to solve your own
problems."
>> Heard that in a million times.
>> Same. Yeah.
>> And they said, "Well, why did you
contact us?" And they said, "Well, we're
helping those who help others. We can
only intervene to a limited degree."
>> And like one lady, she had a car
accident. She the ETs told her, "Well,
you basically died in this accident.
We're healing you. We can't heal
everything because some of these are
karmic. You you chose this
>> as a lesson.
>> Yeah.
>> So that might be why some people are
being healed and others aren't,
>> right?
>> I don't know.
>> Yeah. Maybe a bigger plan,
>> but there's a lot going on here. You you
know how many rabbit holes there are in
this?
>> It it is astounding, but nonetheless, I
think each one of them deserves
all the attention. And and that's, you
know, part of the fascinating thing
about this stuff. It does seem like a
giant untapped well of information. And
and it's exciting, but it's also kind of
disappointing, you know, because as
researchers, we're like, "No, there's a
sea of information here. There's a I
can't go through everything. It's
impossible." No. And just the magazines
we were talking about yesterday, there's
And those magazines have gold in them.
like there's there's cases in there that
were written down once and never you
know to be spoken about again and you
would find some of the you know some of
the answers you're looking for in these
cases and just to dig them up and to
find them it's so timeconuming we were
talking about David Marlor and you know
his um you know UFO sort of archive
there's so much there so much to look
through not enough boots on the ground
not enough people doing it
>> people have no idea that the general
public has no idea how common this is.
>> Yeah.
>> Um how much evidence there is.
>> It's so common.
>> It's funny. I heard a quote from Jaylen
Heinik. One in 40 people have been taken
on board. Very I'm like you're no that's
you're crazy.
>> Yeah.
>> And I thought I started surveying all
the major researchers and you know but
was it Bud Hopkins who called it an
invisible epidemic and Jacqu Valet's
like well you know there's millions of
cases there's far more. So I wrote this
article for the muon journal called one
in 40. which basically, you know, gave
quotes from Whitley Streamer and all the
major researchers like this is more
common than we realize.
>> Yeah.
>> And it was one year later in 1991, the
Roper
>> Mhm.
>> poll came out.
>> Y
>> major polling organization and they
found one in 50.
>> Yeah.
>> The editor of the Mufound Journal wrote
me back. It's like, you predicted this.
I'm like, well, no, I didn't. But
>> it was timely. Uh, but when I heard
that, I'm like, God, I must know
somebody.
>> And mostly benevolent as well. Mostly
like good experiences.
Yeah. I mean, that's a tricky, very
controversial. I'm not going to gaslight
someone who says, "Oh, my experience was
horrible. How dare you say that this was
for my good."
>> Yeah. No, mostly good though.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. By by vast majority.
>> It's a bit of a mixed bag in the
beginning.
>> Yeah.
>> Because almost always people will have
some form of PTSD, you know, nightmares,
insomnia.
>> Yeah.
>> It's difficult for people. It is very
scary.
>> But we're very fear-based on this
planet. And
>> I what I see is a very set pattern of
evolution when people if you embrace
your contacts, you know, and you really
want to find out almost always people
kind of come full circle at some point
like, well, I was healed. I did have a
spiritual awakening. My psychic
abilities are off the charts. You know,
they gave me these warnings. I followed
their guidance. And I've had a few
people say, "Oh, this was horrible." I
mean, one guy's convinced they're
demonic. I talked to him. He was up what
we would call my lab. He admits it. He
worked at a Pendleton. Shame on those
folks. That keeps coming up. People went
to Pendleton. Come out with a not okay.
Uh, and they hypnotized him. They gave
him drugs. He had this weird reptilian
experience that I still don't know if
it's true or not cuz he was a full-on
great contact. He wonderful experiences.
And those are the people who are
targeted by these nefarious government
folks into believing that it's Yeah.
evil.
>> Yeah. So, no, I don't think that they're
here to hurt us, harm us. I'm not going
to say this is all puppies and rainbows
cuz people will come at me like, "Oh,
you're an alien apologist." I'm like,
"No, hold on a second. I'm trying to be
very objective. I'm reporting the facts.
This is what people think. This is their
experience. I'm not putting words into
their mouth." You know, if you look at
my books, they're largely quotes from
the witnesses because I want them to
tell their story. It's not my story.
It's theirs. So, you think the myab
stuff, which is like, you know, the
militaries,
for those of you wondering, it it is the
military
uh pretending to abduct
people um but with a sort of evil
ulterior motive. um basically scoping
people into thinking they're being
abducted by evil aliens. That's like the
whole myabs thing, right?
>> Yeah. I thought it was pretty rare. I'm
kind of starting to realize like this
could be a bigger problem than I
originally thought.
>> There are many cases of
military involvement with some
abductions. Yeah.
>> Like you look at abductions, they're
like, "Oh, they took us to a field where
we'd play and with these other kids, but
there were guards around with guns." and
you go, "Wait, what? Uh, like that
doesn't make any sense."
>> It's really hard to unpack some of this
stuff because uh that's another question
I'll start asking people. Do you have
military in your family? You know, is
anyone in in intelligence? Is there a
military base? There's a
>> pattern there.
>> Little bit. Yeah. But if I don't know, a
lot of people have military in their
family.
>> That's right.
>> I have rel my greatgrandfather,
my grandfather and my great-grandfather
were colonels. H no from that point we
well my nephew he's in the military so
>> yeah but intelligence seems to be one of
those things like whether you look at
the story of you know Harold Malmgrren
which feels like he was kind of guided
into these synchronistic sort of
>> uh moments of his life really key
moments where he then found himself at
the right place at the right time you
know and then I think a lot of people
who are contact or in these children
>> and I think that's intentional on part
of the ETS to sort of perhaps do what
they can
>> from the inside.
>> Yeah.
>> It's interesting that lady I told you
about at work was like oh my daughter's
having encounters with grays so I talked
to her sister I you know I like to dive
deep you need character references.
Yeah.
>> Her father's an intelligence will not
say what he does. Never did find out.
The wife doesn't know. Nobody knows what
he does.
>> So I wonder about that. You wonder if
there is a dark side of this stuff. It's
unfortunately very human.
>> Yeah, I'm worried about the government
folks more than the ETSs.
>> It's Yeah, let's face it, the ETSs have
been around forever.
Are there evil ETs out there? Probably.
Look at us. You know, we're not that
great. We're living beings on a planet.
Are they visiting us? I don't know that
I believe that. Uh there are Remember
the Brazilian face peelers? Yeah, the
Brazilian face peelers, but also
colaris.
>> Yeah, the I'm wondering if that's sort
of a precursor to the false flag,
>> some of this cuz you know we are flying
this stuff around.
>> Yeah.
>> From what I understand
uh but if you look at uh like major
waves of sightings in France 1954, huge
wave of sightings, landings, humanoids,
if you look into the timing of that, I
started looking into the timing of UFO
events. Dolly, she's like, "You need to
really start looking at the dates of
some of these incidents and see what's
going on in the world." So, I started
doing that. That's when we were
allegedly discovering anti-gravity. CERN
was put into place right in that area at
that time. This is to me a huge message.
The Depa Canyon UFO wave, June 14, 1992
to '94. June 14, 1992, there was an
environmental summit meeting in Europe.
Um the the remember the Farmington wave
St. Patrick's Day.
>> Oh yeah. Right by Aztec.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Two 200 a fleet of like 200
saucers.
>> I looked that up. That day they
announced that they had just discovered
artificial radioactive element
California.
>> Whoa. Okay.
>> That very day. Are these connected? I
don't know. I
>> Well, I mean could be. And I think it's
interesting too because I think was it
Howard Menzel was like right at the
scene immediately which for me is a big
red flag when you're like sending that
guy around to like say oh it's
>> Donald Menzel is right now Howard. Yeah.
And they send him along and then they go
>> oh yeah everybody was drunk. It was St.
Patrick's Day and that was myar balloons
that were exploding in the atmosphere
for two days. You know
>> a big one releasing smaller ones.
>> Yeah. Exactly. A red one. And yeah very
strange. Now, I spent I spent some time
with the Ramsies out. Yeah, they're
amazing people. I love them so much.
>> They spent so much of their own money.
>> Half a million dollars and more. Half a
million plus just researching.
>> People think, "Oh, you're in this for
the money." You know, I got a few books
out there. I'm not rich. [laughter] You
don't make a whole Some do. Whitley did
pretty well with Communion, but he was
the timing of that was perfect.
>> Yeah. But when you look into researchers
like um first of all the Ramsies make
their money elsewhere. They got a root
beer company. They got like all
>> they work full-time for Are you kidding?
>> Yeah. And and and so but the the work
that they did was so substantial and
they're coming out with a new book.
They're they're I think their final
book, but like it keep they keep adding
to it because they're like more stuff
that keeps coming out about this case.
And
>> Frank Skully wrote about it and they go
they debunked him so bad. Oh yeah. Yeah.
And that was a good book.
>> It was
>> Yeah. A lot of Easter eggs in that book.
>> And William Steinman put UFOs over Aztec
and proved that there
>> Yeah. Gabbor and
>> and um Newton Silus Newton.
>> They were absolutely framed.
>> Yeah.
>> He he got it down. I'm like, "Oh my
god."
>> Oh yeah. And people people are like,
"No, those guys were like snake oil
salesman." You're like, "No, they
weren't. They were very successful."
Actually, one of them was like a real
estate tycoon and the other one had like
oil money. Like they had a lot of money,
these guys. It it was a very effective
method to quash any research into crash
retrievalss.
>> Yeah.
>> And thank God for Marcel finally coming
for part and Stanton Freedman breaking
that story.
>> Yep.
>> Cuz that opened the door for
>> There's a lot more crash retrievals I
think than even within the public the
UFFL community people realize.
>> Definitely.
>> If you were to if you were to name like
five crash retrievals that you think
absolutely happened without a doubt,
what would they be? Well, Roswell and
another one connected to Roswell. Yeah.
Aztec, the Paradise Valley crash.
>> Um, I wrote a series of books about
various states, you know, California,
Arizona. They all have them.
>> Yeah.
>> Uh, Colorado,
>> Kingman,
>> New York,
>> Csburg.
>> Yeah. There was one at Greeny Mountain
in uh Colorado that Chris O'Brien looked
into. That was really
>> raises a lot of question. Somebody died
over that one. Oh, really?
>> Suicide. Uh
>> yeah, I think it happens a lot more than
people realize. There's some really
interesting California cases. There was
a case up in Selenus, I think, in 1947
where this s tiny little saucer and they
called it the Air Force and they scooped
it up and we never hear from it again.
>> So there's a lot of these little
>> smaller ones, like you said, these
magazines have these jewels in them. I
subscribe to the UFO news clipping
service. Thank you Lucius Ferish and Rod
Dyke because they really helped I think
to for posterity to save these cases and
that's been very helpful in my research.
But yeah, this is a lot more common than
people realize. Mufon and New Fork were
receiving for years, you know, 10 20
cases a day. Talk to any UFO researcher
and they will tell you most people don't
report.
>> Yeah, that's right.
>> I'll be very generous in saying it's one
in 10 because it's closer to one in a
100 honestly. So times that by 100, 10,
20 cases.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, a thousand cases a day.
>> Yeah. And you don't have to look further
than just like your own entourage. Go
out and talk to somebody.
They'll all of a sudden admit to you
something so insane and like you go,
"Wait, I've known you forever." Uh my
father before he passed he also you know
he was a staunch like skeptic for all of
this stuff and he was military uh but he
was like nah you know very sort of I
don't know he had a kind of jarhead
mentality was just like army you know
get up train do the thing yeah he's been
to war exactly he you know he's done all
the wars and stuff and
>> um and then you know he sits me down one
day and he goes I was talking about John
Mack to him because I just talk to him
about this stuff and he'd always kind of
just go, "Yeah, I don't know." He
doesn't like engaging with it, you know,
kind of.
>> Yeah.
>> And um you know, the type. And uh but
I'm I'm very pushy, especially
[laughter] with my dad. And I'm like,
"No, Dad, listen. This happened. Um
here's proof, you know." And I was
talking with John Mack. And he goes and
he was very sympathetic that day. And
this is towards the end of his life. And
he goes, "Maybe one day I'll tell you
about what happened to me."
>> What?
>> Right. And I go, "Hold on, tell me now."
And he goes, and you can see he was like
a little shaken up by it. He goes,
"Okay." And he goes, "Um, when I was
around nine, I was on a paper route in
Montreal downtown and delivering flyers
to apartment buildings.
And I remember it was like noon. It was
beautiful day, summer day. And I opened
the door to the apartment complex. I put
the newspaper, the flyer into the into
the post, you know, boxes, mailboxes.
And he's like, "When I went outside, it
was pitch black." It was like 11:00 p.m.
at night. He was like 9.
>> He had no idea what the hell happened.
He doesn't remember anything. So, he
goes home. He, you know, suffered a
savage beating from his father because
his dad was like, you know, where have
you been?
>> And he thought he was lying cuz my dad's
like, I don't know. I can't tell you.
And he tried to beat it out of him, you
know. And then my dad's like, I still
don't know. Um, and so he's like,
"That's you. I've never looked at it
since," you know, and my dad had severe
PTSD, like from war, like very very
severe. So I know a lot of people when
they heard me say that story, they were
like, "Ask him if he wants to be
regressed." I'm like, "Not a good idea."
[laughter] I'm like, "Not that guy. He
does not. He He wants to be repressed
from this is generational. So there's a
sign." I'm just saying.
>> Very interesting.
>> Oh [snorts] man. Oh man. Yeah. The whole
missing time aspect.
parents out there, if they're listening,
listen to your kids.
>> Yeah.
>> Because how many people have I talked to
had an experiences young kids? That's
when it starts and their parents like it
was a dream, you know.
>> Yeah.
>> Maybe not.
>> Maybe not.
>> Another agenda these ETs are up to is
>> Well, yeah. I was going to circle back
to the agenda because I I feel like it's
not just healing.
>> No.
>> What else we got going on?
>> 100%. They are putting on a very
carefully orchestrated,
vigorous publicity campaign.
>> A what?
>> Yeah.
>> What do you mean?
>> Okay, I'm on board. [laughter]
>> They This is They really really want us
to know that we are not alone. Simple.
And you can see this because people, you
know, the amount of sightings is off the
charts. I started I put out a challenge
on my YouTube channel like name any town
any place on earth. I don't care how
obscure it is. One guy tried to fool me.
He's like I'm I'm going to stump you
here. He named this town in the Arctic
Circle. I can't even pronounce it. It's
an Eskimo name. [laughter]
>> Yeah.
>> I found a case there.
>> Wow.
>> I've got a list of over a thousand uh
locations from viewers and I'm going on
the list. I've worked about 200. Not
quite. Check, check, check. Every single
one of them. People are trying to stump
me. Like, this town has 200 people.
There's a couple who have stumped me,
but I'm not giving up yet because I'm
pretty sure I could. But yeah, I'm
finding a case in every single one of
these places. So, what does that tell
you? Either I mean, first, the main
takeaway is it's a lot more common. It's
all over the world. But why are they
doing this on purpose? I think so.
Because what we see across the world is
every five years or so, maybe three,
maybe seven, there will be a major UFO
wave, huge. I mentioned the uh French
wave of 1954. On the heels of that, I
just found out Venezuela had an
incredible wave from, you know, October
through January of 1954 to 5 in. I just
did a whole outline of it. really
intense humanoids, the whole deal. Uh,
in November, the second week of November
1957, there was a rash of sightings and
landings and car stallings in particular
across the United States and the world.
And here's this weird connection to
world events. Sputnik.
So, thinking there 1965 was a huge wave.
Of course, the Phoenix Lights, Gulf
Breeze, Wville, Virginia, Hudson Valley,
Topanga Canyon, all across the world are
these major waves and it's often these
little towns kind of near big city
centers. Uh, but this I think is part of
their publicity campaign.
>> So, you think it's deliberate that
they're being overt?
>> Yeah. Well, Frank Salisbury wrote the
Utah UFO display. He termed, you know,
invented the term UFO display because
generally speaking, let's face it, UFOs
are evasive. You know, they're not
flying around any old time. Can't go
outside like there's another one. So,
but that he found all these cases where
they were deliberately showing themsel
they're chasing cars down highways.
>> Yeah. Or or or doing like incredible
maneuvers for nothing.
>> Like, what are you what are you doing
doing this? Like, where are you going?
You know what really drove it home for
me? I'm, you know, I do this full-time
now, but all my spare time was spent on
researching, working full-time, and I do
it on weekends and at night.
>> And I heard about this case in Zimbabwe.
I know you know what I'm talking about.
The aerial ele school case.
>> Oh, that's cool. What a great still one
of my favorite cases where the UFOs land
next to the playground, ETSs come out,
talk to a few of the kids. A great case.
Now we know there was a teacher who
actually saw it too. She did not come
forward initially. But I thought, God,
that's interesting because there's that
case in Australia, the Westall case, 19
>> 66
>> 66 April, right? I thought, wasn't there
one in Florida? I had to look it up.
Crest View Elementary, one month or one
year to the day after [snorts] Westall.
And I'm like, okay, I'm on to something
here. Broad Broad Haven Wales, right?
>> I remember that one. I same thing.
Landed behind the school. ETSs come out,
the kids saw. I love their drawings.
>> Yeah, it's so cool. And I thought, okay,
there was that other famous case in
Michigan at the college, Hillsdale
College.
Now, here's that. This is when it
cemented it for me because I was looking
into that case and I really dug deep.
That UFO landed. Not a lot of people
know that. This didn't just hover there.
landed by the school. It was there for
two hours. 87 students, faculty, police
saw it. Um, this was there a while. This
is another display. Jim and Coral
Lorenzan, love those folks. They're our
pioneers.
>> Yeah.
>> Uh, said, "Well, gosh, we've got a lot
of schoolyard cases. We think this is
preparation of some kind. Maybe they're
going to openly contact humanity."
Raymond Fowler, another hero, you know,
the Andreas affair, Alagash abductions,
great thorough objective researcher.
Love him. He's like, I have 15 cases.
[snorts] This is in April, you know, the
1966.
He says, I have 15 cases so far this
year. Eight are over schools. So, he
noticed it. John Ke mentioned it. Like,
well, these folks knew it long. No one's
talking about this. the Veronus sighting
as well in Russia. That was another one.
>> Right. And so, uh, that was two weeks
before Westalt,
>> right? Oh, wow. And they're saying, "Oh,
it's going to happen again." It did.
>> Yeah.
>> So, I started looking at this. I'm like,
"Okay, let's dive deep." Cuz I had my
own schoolyard c a couple of them. You
know, kid was on school
Catholic school in Hawthorne and UFOs
came down. He was taken from the
playground. And I'm like, okay, I looked
through the books. Weren't many cases in
the, you know, the hundred books. I had
two. Well, let's face it, it's 300. Uh,
but I started going through the UFO news
flipping service. You know, Appro, MUFA,
NKAP, Cupos,
all those UFO reporting centers. I hit
gold. I'm I cried when I started
discovering all these cases because this
slid under my radar for decades. I'd
been a re researcher for a pretty long
time.
And I found over 100 cases. It's now
closer to two or 300. And these, this is
so interesting to me because these cases
are daytime.
They are coming down very low level.
They're longlasting. They are putting on
a display. Little craft will come out.
They'll dart around. Get this. They are
landing and or humanoids are being seen
in full one-third of the cases. Whoa.
How you know landings are relatively
rare compared to sightings.
>> Yeah. Daytime landings on top of that.
>> And half these cases do involve
teachers. Half.
>> Yeah.
>> Uh and uh you know it's some really
interesting aspects. Half the cases are
primary schools. Elementary
>> kids, you know, there's argument. Are
kids good witnesses?
>> Are course.
>> Yeah.
>> I think they're great witnesses. I think
they're better witnesses than most.
>> Yeah. What I love about they don't say,
oh, it's an angel. No, it's this. It's
that they're like, "Well, it was this
shiny, you know, it was silver."
>> Two people you can trust to get the
truth is a drunk person or a child.
Yeah.
>> You know,
>> and you can tell when kids are lying if
you're their parent.
>> Yeah,
>> certainly. But
>> and I started I found so many cases and
they were such clear displays.
>> There's um I don't know if you knew
this, but recently I think George St.
Pierre shared a story on his Instagram.
and George very famous UFC fighter, but
he's very much into this topic and he
started starting his own podcast.
>> He he recently spoke to
>> um Paul Trim.
>> H Emily Trim.
>> Emily Trim's older brother,
>> right?
>> Who was there?
>> Oh, he was.
>> And he was much older than the other
kids.
And he's got a story.
>> God bless Emily Trim. So sad that she
left us, but
>> absolutely
>> she went forward.
>> She did. And uh I think Paul was always
pretty reluctant, but I think he's kind
of ready to talk about it. And uh yeah,
so there's uh I think there's something
coming out there that that'll be pretty
Yeah, I don't want to go too far into
anything in case, you know, I don't want
to break the story or or say anything. I
haven't talked to him, so I would love
to talk to him, but I know that George
did and Luigi did. Louis has got a close
relationship. She had he had a close
relationship with Emily, you know, for a
long time. And Lisel, still does with
Lisel as well.
>> Yeah.
>> Who was another uh witness and she was
one of the two girls, you know, Emily
and Lisel were the ones that,
>> you know, got right up to remember the
messages they got.
>> Yeah. Same again. Yeah.
>> You know, stop chopping down the forest.
There's a good way to use technology and
a bad way. You could do better.
>> Exactly. Yeah.
>> Is what Emily got. a big warning against
technology which is wild because uh in
the 90s we're like
>> y in Zimbabwe
>> like what are you talking about
computers like what do you mean we're
playing solitire on these things? No it
turns out they were right technology was
a problem and we're seeing it now. There
was another case from Ray Fowler where
this UFOs came down over you know some
school in Massachusetts that was his
hometown
and it was during a football game. This
was at night. One of the rare rare
nighttime cases. But a bunch of people
saw it. It came down so low over this
one woman. She soiled herself. Oh my
gosh. Blue book called it Venus, by the
way,
>> without [clears throat] doing any
investigation. Like Venus is going to
make someone know that scared. But that
UFO went straight to the nearby college
um three miles away and scared the pants
off of everyone in the quad there.
[laughter]
There's a really interesting timing
aspect to these cases. It is exactly
like an artist or a book, you know, an
author or a musician doing a tour. They
go from city to city to city to city.
>> The plan.
>> Yep. It's very the timing of this is
insane. If you started to look at it in
the locations, I'm like, "Okay, I mean,
this is clearly organized."
And then, and this is kind of a segue,
right? But uh I started look I got this
case at work, you know, because we had a
high turnover in my office. Terrible
place to work. I'm so glad I'm out of
there. I was a bookkeeper basically. Um
I did a full charge bookkeeping
accounting.
Uh and uh they would always bring the
new employees to my desk. Oh, Preston's
UFO researcher, if you've got a story,
he wants to know.
>> Oh, wow. How generous of them.
>> Yeah, I got a lot of great cases from
there.
>> I bet. Um, and Claudia Blasios
had this amazing story where she was,
you know, a young kid and they were at
the Paramount Drive-in Theater in 1972,
I think it was, Southern California. A
UFO shows up. I'm thinking this is this
is unbelievable. I've never heard of
anything like this. Comes right down
next to the screen. Classic flying
saucer chrome making a whooing noise.
She They first noticed it because
suddenly everyone's dropping their
drinks, their popcorn, they're running
to their cars. Remember the oldfashioned
speakers? Yeah.
>> People were driving off and they come
right off.
>> Oh wow.
>> That's how scared they were. Right. And
uh she sees their parents. They're
hypnotized. They're looking at this
thing. And she's like, "Oh my god,
what's that?" And they're like, they
stayed there. You know, some people
stayed, some people left.
They completely forgot about it. didn't
remember it at all until Claudia and her
mother were what listening to the radio
in the kitchen some years later. Some
guy comes on and says, "Oh, I was at the
Paramount drive-in and this UFO showed
up and it was right next to thing and
this movie was on." And Claudia turns to
her like we were there. Do you remember
that?
Why haven't we talked about this? Her
mother's like, "Oh my god, I don't
know." So, there's that weird something
else going on here. I thought it was a
one-off.
like, wow, driving theater case. How
crazy is that? And then I'm doing UFO
re, you know, se research for UFOs over
Colorado. This book I'm putting together
and I found one case of UFOs over
driving theater, mile high the Dr. Zago
is on and this UFO shows up and I'm
going through all the databases and
found another. I found three in a row.
I'm like, well, that's kind of odd. I
wonder if there's more of these. So, of
course, I scoured the books, found one
in Somewhere in the Skies by Oh, God,
what is his name? Such a good
researcher. He's going to kill me. At
any rate, there was one there. And I
thought, okay, was going through the uh
databases. I hit gold with the UFO news
clipping service. There's other news
clipping services, the magazines, the
journals. I found 100 cases again.
>> My goodness. And this is just like the
schoolyard cases in that they're putting
on a display.
>> Yeah. They're seeing a group of people.
Not too big. It is a controlled size of
group of people, right? Because it's not
a stadium.
>> No, it's a captive audience, too.
They're all kind of parked.
>> Yeah.
>> You can't get out if you're in the
center.
>> That's a really interesting.
>> But these are obviously.
In almost every case, they come right
down over the screen or either side.
Pete Davenport,
>> Newark had an amazing case um at a
drive-in theater.
>> Really?
>> Yeah. And uh I started looking into
these same darn thing. They're there for
a long time. They're releasing smaller
craft. They're darting around. People
flash their lights at it. It flashes
back. It's insane.
I have to tell you this case because
this one I'm like, "Oh god, here we go."
Cover up. Right. Right.
>> Because none of these cases were ever
declared unexplained by Blue Book, but
they knew and I found the proof.
>> The terrorist drive-in 1952,
Bakersfield, California. UFO shows up
right over the screen. This one's cigar-
shaped. They're usually saucer-shaped,
but you know, you get [clears throat]
all shapes, eggs, shaped spears.
Right over the screen, it flashes its
light. except the audience. It came
dropped down, flashed the lights, took
off. That one was quick in terms of the
average sighting. There was two or 30
hundred people in the audience. And back
then, the press wouldn't ignore you if
you were a citizen. But if you were in
the military, they'll interview you.
There was an officer in the movie
audience.
And Sheriff Leroy Hatfield starts
getting calls from people who' seen this
thing. Uh he's the closest police
station to this drive-in.
>> And after the fourth call, he's like,
"Hang on." You know, I'm going to come
down there.
>> So, not thinking that anyone's going to
still be there, but there's 100 people
still there, and they're jibber
jabbering about this. And uh he gets 20
testimonies. They're lining up. They're
like, "I want to talk about." He's like,
"No, no, I got enough. I know what you
saw." They're all describing the same
thing.
>> Wow.
>> So, he writes up this report and sends
it to the nearest air base, which just
happens to be Edwards. I found the
report. It's marked action in big red
letters and it was sent to three places.
To the commanding general at Wright
Patterson Air Force Base.
Well, to the head of intelligence at
Washington DC. To the commander of Ant
Air Force Base in Colorado where we
track incoming and outgoing traffic. You
can't tell me that they didn't know
about this because I found another case
right after that. Same darn thing. They
knew from the beginning that this was
happening.
>> What year was that?
>> 52.
>> And
see, this drives me crazy.
>> Well, I mean, you know, we have proof
that they knew. Like, I mean, even if
you look at you, you're familiar with
the uh um the
what's his name? Wilbur Smith memo.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, magnet.
>> Clear as day. Clear as day in writing.
You know, this is the Minister of
Transport. He's got, you know, he's
pretty high up in the Canadian
government. Just got back from the
United States and says, "All right,
number one, flying saucers are real. Get
over it." Number two, uh, oh, yeah, it's
mental. The the thing the phenomenon has
a mental, you know, component to it.
And, yeah, number three, Vanavar Bush
is, you know, ahead of this and he's
working on like we have in 1950 a clear
outline that, oh, they're not only well
aware of it, it seems to be priority
right now.
>> Yeah. And then he drowns.
>> Yeah. in a lake under suspicious
circumstances.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> It's a shame. You know, there's UFO
researchers who've met suspicious ends
and
>> Yeah.
>> certainly a lot of people
whistleblowers.
>> Dangerous thing. Leonard Stringfield
certainly would talk about that.
>> Yeah.
>> Another hero in this field. I love those
older researchers. James McDonald, Leo
Sprinkle, Jim Coraline.
>> Yep.
>> Yeah. Yeah, there's a there's a there's
no shortage of cases from what I'm
hearing. Um, and not only are there no
shortage of cases, something that I find
more fascinating is that you've been
able to really hone down on patterns and
those patterns then start giving way to
a potential agenda. Is there anything
else in the alien agenda that sticks out
to you other than they're healing people
that can heal and help the world? they
are displaying because they want us to
know the I guess the the part of me
that's a little conflicted
is
there is also
what feels to be
some type of horrible end for us.
>> Oh yeah.
>> Right. uh whether it's coronal mass
ejection, whether it's atomic warfare,
whether it's, you know, something there
feels there there there's there's this
doomer sort of looming energy um that
they're potentially helping us through
or hoping that we realize or that we get
to that point, right?
But if that's the case,
why bother saving us? Why bother giving
us a light show? like what's the point
if that's going to happen anyways?
>> I think that they feel a sense of
responsibility, a sense of altruism
perhaps.
>> Uh I why not? Um I think in some ways
they look upon us as their children or
friends. Certainly contacties, a lot of
them I've talked to feel like, oh well
these are my friends, these are my
family. Uh and if you saw someone trip
down, are you not going to go and help
them up? Most people will do that. Uh I
do think where FA this is a very common
message again uh they will show people
atomic explosions. One guy I talked to
great case a Navy medic uh Kevin came I
love his case because you know I got to
interview him face to face. I talked to
him over and over again. He had this
very extensive encounter where his he's
on a Navy ship right
>> 600 feet long. His bunkmates like, "Oh,
I'm a contactee."
And Kevin's like, "Ah,
sure. Sure you are." He's like, "No, no,
I am. You know, they've taken me around
my childhood. I've been on their craft.
They took me to their planet." He's
like, "Oh, that's true. I want to meet
your little green friends." Direct
quote. He's like, "I'll arrange it. I'll
see." And so he comes back a couple
They're still on the ship, right?
Somewhere in the Mediterranean or let me
think, outside the Bermuda Triangle.
>> Okay.
>> In the Atlantic. in the Atlantic. This
is like 78 thereabouts, okay? I think.
Uh at any rate, he comes back a few days
later and like, "Oh, they took me to
your house." And Kevin's like, "What are
you talking about?" It's like, "Oh,
yeah. You got a shag rug. There's a
milkshake stain on the backseat of this
car, the colors of the curtains, all
correct 10 years before, not now." So,
he like almost a weird time travel
aspect. They showed him his house in the
past, but it was correct. So now he's
thinking, "What is this guy time travel?
Is he CIA? What is going on?" His
friend's like, "Well, they agreed to
take you, so they'll be coming in a
couple of days." And he's like, "Okay,
sure. They will." Couple of days go by.
He shows up. It's like, "Okay, they're
on deck. It's your lunch hour." You
know, it's high noon. Um, their cabin is
right near the deck, right? He he's a
clerk. Uh, I know his name. I tried to
look him up. can't find him. It's an
unusual name. At any rate, Kevin's like,
"All right." Not thinking anything,
right? Goes up on deck and there's this
massive craft.
It says it was bigger than the
looked. And it's got flashing colors and
it's just the most beautiful thing he's
ever seen. So, he does what I always
tell someone to do if you see a UFO. Get
another witness. You know, if you can
get two witnesses, that's credibility to
your case. If you can get 10, this is a
front page news headline, you know. So,
he runs to the mess cook. Starts shaking
his shoulders. Cannot get his attention.
It's like he's not even there. And he's
So, he's freaking out. And suddenly he's
looking down at the ship and it's
getting smaller and smaller and he
realizes he's inside this thing.
[laughter] He's like, "Oh no, I'm Awol."
And he hears this male voice that says,
"No, they don't even know you're gone."
So, he's afraid to turn around now. I'll
I'll summarize this a little bit because
I could talk.
>> No, please don't. Please get into as
much detail as you want. I'm riveted.
>> All right. [laughter]
Uh, so he's afraid to turn around,
right? He's seen metal walls. There's
this uh console. Very primitive. You
know, a couple of lights on it. That's
it. Does almost look like a Star Trek
set. Yeah. There's just nothing in
there.
>> Like Herbert Shurmer type deal. And
yeah.
>> Well, not not even that much detail. He
he had a lot of this. Nothing. This is
how people usually describe it. It's
kind of what I look for. Empty, right?
Nothing in there because when they need
something, it'll come out of the floor
or whatever. Sure. And he said it was
awfully high. It was like up to my neck.
It's like, well, that's a little odd.
And so he starts having this
conversation with these folks. He's
still afraid to turn around, right? And
two male voices talking to him in
perfect concise English, which, you
know, they often do. They'll speak in
your own language usually. Uh, and he
starts asking all these questions like,
"Where are you from?" And he gave me um
he he said that a holographic star chart
appeared and he could see the solar
system and it shrank down and it just
got bigger and bigger and way off in the
distance is this blinking red light.
They said, "That's our planet and it's
called" and I'm like, "Well, what did it
what is it called?" And he gave me this
look like I can't pronounce it. It was a
bunch of consonants. I'm like, "We'll
just try." And he
couldn't do it. I'm like, "All right,
fine." Uh, I asked him, "How big was
this room?" And he gave me this look
like, "How how am I going to explain
this to this guy? He's not going to
believe me." And he honestly, it changed
size. The room changed size. I'm like,
"Ding, ding, ding, ding. Here's a detail
that I'm giving away this away. I
shouldn't, but because it's kind of one
of the things I look for, cuz they can
do that." Uh, and uh, so he's like,
"Well, you know, what do you eat? Are
you going to eat me?" They're like, "No,
you watch too many horror movies. You
know, we eat fish. We eat vegetables. We
eat the same things you do." He said,
"Did Roswell happen?" Because he knows a
little bit about UFOs. He wrote a paper
as a young kid. And they're like, "Oh
yeah, Roswell happened." And they said,
"Since you started exploding nuclear
bombs, this started a countdown clock
and all these events will happen and you
cannot stop them." And they showed him a
window and he said it looked real. He
said it may as well been looking out at
actual reality and showed him
hurricanes, tornadoes, landslides,
earthquakes, just a list of disasters.
And they said, "All of this will happen.
You can't stop it. And this is because
you've been messing around with nuclear
power." And when you started, you really
caught the attention of everyone out
here. Which makes sense because that's
when, you know, the modern age of UFOs
began.
Uh he he asked him about politics.
They're like, "No, we don't discuss
politics. [laughter]
We're not going to go there." Yeah.
>> Which I thought was interesting.
>> Smart.
>> Uh and so he's having this long
conversation. He finds like, "Well, what
do you look like?" I said, "We're not
little and we're not green." And
sometimes our appearance will scare
people. And he's like, "Well, what do
you look like?" They turn around. And he
turns around. He said it was the
scariest thing cuz these were mant. Oh
yeah.
>> And he's like, they were sitting on
these white kind of thrown like chairs,
stone on a deis.
>> I've interviewed this guy over and over
again. I finally got him on the radio,
so there's a recording out there. Uh cuz
he was very
>> This was the skeptic
um initially, right? No, he was
>> Yeah. I mean, he he knew UFOs were real.
>> Yeah. But the other guy who told him,
"Oh, you're going to have He was like,
"Well,
>> you know, brush it off, Poppyc. There's
no way."
>> Exactly. So now he's he you know he's
he's a military guy. He used Is it okay
to swear?
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> He said I nearly my pants
>> is what he said.
>> Oh my god.
>> And uh so you know Oh yeah. A few more
events happened. I did kind of gloss
over some. They took him to his hometown
in Kaki Illinois and showed him his
mother working as a school teacher which
she did. It was daytime there. So this
the time wasn't quite aligning. She's
writing on this she was at a religious
school and saying writing on the chalk
chalkboard for phrases from the Bible
and stuff. And then they showed him his
father who worked at a bank looked
through several rooms into the center of
where he was having an executive meeting
and tells him your parents were good
people. They did a good job with you.
And he's thinking, "What? You know me?
You know my So this is really like, oh
my god, this is very They showed him as
a little kid." Then they showed him what
looked to him like a bombing range. He's
thinking, "Where is this? This is
Arizona. What's going on?" But it was
gray. And then it come over the horizon.
And there's the Earth off in the
distance. And that's when he said, "I
nearly my pants." Cuz he realized
that they're over the moon right now.
>> Wow.
>> Told you they do this. They will show
people the moon.
So at any rate, he turns around. This is
towards the end of his experience. And
they're praying mantis. And one gets up
off the deis and takes three steps and
is right next to him. And he says they
pressing they were 15t tall. Now I'm
trying to talk him down because you know
people can exaggerate. It's very tall.
>> Yeah. He's 6 foot two or he passed
unfortunately. But uh he's like look at
me you know you see how tall I am. I'm
like yeah. Uh he says they were more
than twice my height. You know, it was
like standing next to a basketball poop
and backboard.
>> Yeah.
>> This thing's looking down at me.
>> And uh he he was trembling. You know,
his was a very benevolent experience.
They didn't even examine it.
>> Just scary.
>> Yeah. For obvious reason.
>> And they said, "Would you like to go to
our planet?" He said, "No."
>> Okay. I'm still mad at him. put it.
[laughter]
>> And he said, he said they reached out
and grabbed his shoulder. He got a
really good look at their hands, which
weren't, you know, normal. They were
clawike.
>> And clawike.
>> Yeah.
>> Were they like
>> um not so much like I've heard from
other people, you know, not like that
>> cuz you hear that a lot.
>> Yeah. But they had very long arms, he
said.
>> And one sort of section here and one
section here
>> put their hand on his shoulder. I'm
like, "Why didn't you say yes?" He's
like, "Listen, I felt like a bug next to
them."
>> Right.
>> I I thought I was going to end up in
some alien zoo.
>> Yeah. Or stew.
>> Yeah. And I'm like, "Okay." You know,
it's like, you know, this was scary. You
got to understand that. Yeah. I guess
so.
>> You never know how you're going to
react.
>> No, just don't. I I I mean I you'd like
to think that you'd keep your marbles
about you and your wits about you, but
the truth is that you're probably going
to have a visceral terrifying reaction
to whatever it is you're seeing.
>> I never did.
>> You didn't? But you also had decades of
preparation. You know, not everybody has
that
>> knowledge overcomes fear every time.
That's why I do this research. People
deserve to know.
>> I'm going to I'm going to share with you
something, though. I want to share with
you something that uh I'm not going to
>> All right. Well, let me just end this
one more sentence.
>> Sure. Yes.
>> He wakes up. He's on his cot. He's
sweating. He's hyperventilating. His
friend whips open the curtains like,
"So, how did you like your ride?"
Grinning from ear to ear. He was
furious. He ended the friendship with
this guy and forgot a lot of this. He
forgot a lot of the experience until
he's watching a praying mantis show on
TV and it comes flooding back. And he
said he said all these disasters, you
know, a lot of them did occur, including
a motorcycle accident that they showed
him. And he thought he actually died in
this accident, but no, he didn't. He got
a bad concussion. They showed him this
and he remembered it right as it
happened. But yeah, he's he's a good
case. He's a twin. His twin brother had
encounters. There was a twin aspect.
>> Okay. Sorry. I hope I didn't
>> No. Yeah. No, this is super I'm um
specifically fascinated by the mantids
cases.
Um I mean the humanl looking ones as
well, all of them really, but the mantis
ones seem
>> so interesting.
>> So interesting because they have this
air of this sort of royalty about them
for some reason. Like there seems to be
>> wear purple cloaks sometimes.
>> Yeah. Cloaks, capes, like they are they
are always in the back. They're never at
the forefront. Like there seems to be
like, okay, we'll have the small grays,
the humanoids, the tall grays, but then
way back here behind the curtain, you
got like these overseers, what seems
like. And I'm not sure what that is,
whether they're just like an older
species, a more ancient and wise species
or like
>> talk to Dolly about this. She says,
"Yes,
>> I it's it's the Gestalt that I have
from, you know, here. I follow an
account. I think I only follow one
account on TikTok and it's this one.
It's uh Manted Encounters."
>> Yeah.
>> And it's just that, right? It's just
these encounters and
>> I've had Yeah, they they presented a
couple of my cases.
>> Really? Yeah. I think it's so
interesting. Um the one thing that is
kind of elusive with this is first of
all, a lot of these cases with the
mantis happen um psychedelically, right?
And so it obviously puts like a negative
filter on, oh, did that really happen?
You know, are these
>> I'm not a fan of it.
>> Yeah. Do you know what I mean? But but
you hear a lot of that, right? These
bugike creatures. Um,
there's a case in Montreal and it's a
case eventually that we'll dive into on
this channel as I'm working with the
witness and um trying to
So, this witness had an encounter and
called the police in the middle of the
night because her dog, you know, woke
her up squealing like just giant dog,
big
>> Doberman. Yeah. Just like this weird
sound. She's like, "What the heck was
and goes out. Dog's frozen like she
starts taking pictures of the dog. She's
like, "This is weird. My dog, you know,
just like this in the kitchen 1:30 in
the morning and her door was slightly a
jar due to them. They're like replacing
the lock or something in their
apartment." And so there's the apartment
complex hallway outside of that. And uh
and she she kind of sees like a figure
moving and she goes, "What is that?" You
know, she's kind of intrigued. And as
she moves close to the door, she asks
it, "Hey, you want to come forward?" and
she starts snapping picturesoop
boop ends up uh seeing this thing
maybe this tall very strange encounter
the manted
>> it wasn't exactly a manted so it's like
I I'll show you the photo and I don't
want to put it up and the reason is I do
not have permission um so I won't put it
up um but eventually hopefully you'll
see this I'm working with the the
witness now and who knows you know maybe
this whole section gets cut but um she
is she's trying to like
talk to it in different languages in
Romanian, in English, and French. And
she's like trying to communicate. Are
you good? Are you bad? If you're good,
please come forward. If you're not a
demon, like she's religious at the time.
And and um it comes and it starts like
moving its mouth like like this. And
it's it's got a big head.
>> Um big eyes. It has two things hanging
here like meat, she said. Um, yeah,
that's unusual.
>> And arms like this with a separate set
of arms.
>> Oh,
>> and some type of carropus or some type
of something on the back. And it was
like
>> I've not heard that
>> light-skinned with like dots like very
strange. And she takes a bunch of
pictures and then she describes slipping
into a dream. She's like, I slipped into
a dream after this. I woke up. It's now
4 in the morning. Lost several hours.
She's not into UFOs, by the way, at all.
like she's not she didn't want to be any
you know what I mean?
>> That's got to be so shocking.
>> Well, so she was afraid but then she was
also like she's like I was excited like
a kid in a candy store at one point and
she's like it didn't feel like my
apartment even though it was my
apartment.
>> She's like I don't know why it just
maybe I was in their ship or I don't
know.
>> That's a psychological response I think.
>> Yeah, maybe dissociation.
>> And anyway, she wakes up the dog's in
bed. the thing's no longer there and
she's uh she runs and wakes her husband
up and they call the police and the
police and and she's like I wouldn't
call the police if I didn't have the
photos. She's like, "You think I was
crazy?" You know, she's And so she
didn't want to talk about it for a
decade because she's she's like, "Oh,
this is a demon."
>> That's still a popular theory that this
is demonic. People will say, "Oh, you
know, well, how come they go away invoke
the name of Jesus?" I'm like, "Well, if
you came to me and you started saying,
"In the name of Jesus, go away." I'm You
know what? [laughter] I will give you
your I'll respect that.
>> That's a good point.
>> Yeah. Um Well,
>> by the way, I we're at two hours
already. We're just going to keep going.
But whenever you feel like, hey, I'm
spent, let me know. I could talk to you.
>> That's not going to happen. So,
>> okay. Well, [laughter] let's go.
>> I'll try to be good. Um, yeah,
whistleblowers.
>> Okay.
>> There's a few people I've talked to. I'm
like, gosh, we're not hearing the vast
majority of stuff that's going on in
government circles.
>> Okay.
>> There was this guy interviewed, Ray
Sachs, and he's getting elderly. A lot
of the whistleblowers I've talked to are
wanting to do their part for disclosure
because they're getting old. And I can
tell you most major researchers have
these kinds of accounts and it's always
a blessing when someone comes forward to
you with credentials which you can
basically fact check. You know what I
mean? Because a lot of people have
stories and a story is a story.
>> Yeah.
>> But this guy Ray Sax, I verified his
employment. You know, I did my due
diligence to the extent you can. A young
man 1971 he's on the USS Clamagore. This
is a submarine and it had nuclear tipped
torpedoes, which this was not publicly
known at the time, going up the east
coast of the United States, you know,
some miles offshore at about 12 knots.
They're on the surface. He's a
electrician's mate, I think, um, on this
clamor, right? Young man. And uh
he's up there with another petty officer
and the commander, command, I know who
it is. I commander Boone, you know, God
bless you, but you covered this up. So,
I'm calling you out on this. Uh
[laughter] he's passed.
>> So, and the second in command. So
there's four men up there and this
submarine's booking along at 12 knots
when a USO unidentified submersible
object comes in at over 100 knots from
the stern at an angle and starts pacing
the clamor right off you know anything
within a quarter mile considered a near
miss at sea.
>> Sure. And this was right up, you know,
meters away feet. Uh so
totally silent and the guy interviewed
Ray Sax's his job is to be in touch with
the folks at in the sonar office and so
the the commander's like what are they
seeing and he said they're not seeing
anything. There's no evidence of this
thing. It was a big white round light
just under the water. They couldn't see
any solid object but something's there
and it's not far away. And it was, you
know, what did he say? Like 20 30 feet
across big.
And uh they're all looking at it and
he's jibber jabbering with the other.
He's like, "Maybe it's Captain Nemo."
Didn't think that was funny. The
commander. [laughter] And so they're
talking and talking. The second
command's like, "Just shut up." You
know, we're looking at this thing. And
so they're all watching it. And one by
one, the higher ranking officers come up
on deck because they want to see it,
too. This is just kind of like I'm going
to see it.
>> Yeah. And it paced this clamord he said
for about 10 or 15 minutes
and uh everyone went below and there
still them for and it darts off at like
80 knots. This is faster than our
submarines can go
>> of course.
>> Uh even unofficially because I've talked
to some submariners and we definitely
can go faster than most people think but
not that fast.
>> No.
>> No. In 80 knots that's equivalent to 80
to 100 miles an hour essentially. Yeah.
And I have to tell you, I've done a lot
of research into USOs, and I've got
cases where they're moving under water
as fast as people see it in the sky.
>> Yeah.
>> Zipping,
>> not disturbed by friction,
>> right?
>> Yeah.
>> I think they're probably partly
interdimensional or something. Force
field. I don't know. We can only
speculate. And I don't like to speculate
in this field because you're right off
the deep ends.
>> Mhm. But he saw this and
but to me this is another clearcut case
of them showing their interest or
warning people about
>> nuclear capability.
>> I'm like did anything else strange
happen? He's like yeah sure did. We were
underwater and the engine went out. This
can't happen. They've got backups.
They were completely dead in the water.
Scared the living daylights out of
everyone. And then it all went back on.
They didn't see anything. didn't hear
anything. Just what is that? Crazy. And
he was on other ships and stuff. Nothing
happened until he got close to that
nuclear stuff. I I often think of that
case because it's just another example.
There was another guy, Gary, Dr. Gary
Wagner, was on the USS Long Beach on the
other side of Catalina Island,
>> nuclearpowered.
>> Yeah. Very, very a big hot spot as well.
>> Yeah. And they had UFOs show up probably
or two other cases. I love these cases.
One guy on his deathbed.
My heart, oh my god, these people. It's
like what an honor. Uh he says, "I need
to tell you this story." He says, "I was
a subcontractor at Edwards Air Force
Base." I'm like, "Ding, ding ding,
Edwards. If you research Edwards, it's a
>> Yeah.
>> a rabbit hole."
>> Yeah, absolutely.
>> And I did. I wrote UFOs over California
and it's got everything that you could
ever you could learn everything you
wanted to know about UFOs from just
researching Edwards. That's how
extensive the activity there is. And so
I'm like, "Oh my god, okay, go on." And
uh he proved his case to me cuz he had
the lingo. I mean, he knew what he was
talking about. I verified to the extent
that I could his employment. He's like,
"Yeah, they use us because we cut
through all the red tape. They don't
need any official things. We, you know,
the funding, they just hire people who
are not part of the military. And
they're like, "We need you." He wouldn't
tell me what he he does. But he's
walking across the tarmac there and
hears this buzzing noise, very low,
whispery kind of whooing noise, and
turns and looks and there's a a hanger
with a big open window. And there's a
UFO. Perfect shiny mirror-l like size of
a little sports car hovering right above
the ground. And he's like, "Oh my god."
Turns to his employer and says, "Look,
what is that?" His employer gets way as
a sheet. Jams his finger up against his
lips and, you know, shut up. Didn't even
speak. Wouldn't talk.
And he kept asking like, "What is it?
What was it?" He's like, "You shut up
now. You weren't supposed to see that.
If you know, you start talking about
this, we're both in trouble." So that's
where it rested for a while. Couple of
years go by and his employer calls him
again. It's emergency. We need you.
You're the only one who can do this.
Please. He's like, "I'm not doing it.
I'm not going to work for you unless you
tell me what we saw." So they get into a
what he's called a pissing match.
[laughter]
And finally like, okay, let's go to a
bar, you know, some place discreet. and
had a couple of beers and he he said if
you ever tell anybody
this is trouble for me and you. So he
waited decades. This is like late 1980s
I think he said.
>> Mhm.
>> When this occurred and uh his employer
said what you saw was not a UFO. This is
reverse engineered from ET technology
using the concept of counterrotating
magnetic fields. We can create a
magnetic field on the outside of the
craft which propels the craft in the
desired direction. That's all I'm
telling you. So,
>> whoa.
>> Interesting, right?
>> That makes sense with Edwards Air Force
Base. I'll tell you that. There's so
much testing and stuff going on there. I
don't even doubt that most of the
sightings that happen out there are just
all us.
>> Yep. And one more case, Mel Hansen, God
bless him, older guy. He's like, "Well,
you know, Mommstrom, he reached out to a
number of researchers." And I'm like,
"Yeah, not interested." I'm like, he
reached out to me. I'm like, "Momstrom?"
You know, cuz I know Malmstrom. March
1967, they shut down the missiles
or they're all independent systems, you
know, Robert Salis, of course, his book
Faded Giant. Uh, great guy. So glad he
came forward.
>> Mhm.
>> So Mel Hansen saw this on Unsolved
Mysteries, I think it was. He's like,
"Oh, well, I guess I can talk about it."
So he says he was there. Again, not
military or subcontractor. He maintains
the missile bases. They were at one of
the sites. Again, he had the lingo down.
Like this guy was for real. Is, you
know, you never know for sure, do you?
But
>> you do your due diligence to try to fact
check everything to the extent you can.
And he sounded legit to me. And he was
the supervisor. his team was underground
doing maintenance when the stars started
disappearing over the missile site. He's
like, "I don't know. I can't tell you
how big this thing was or how high up,
but there was something above the
missile and it shut down."
And he says, "It immediately went back
online." He said, "There was this eerie
silence right before really eerie, just
everything ghostly, quiet, the Oz effect
kind of thing."
>> Mhm.
>> And uh stars start disappearing. The
missile shuts down. Now there's backups.
We would hope so. There is uh I think he
said it was first it went to diesel
power because it's electric and the
diesel generator went on and the all
went back on site that went out and then
it went back on the third or the I guess
it would be the second backup which was
battery and that went down. So boom,
boom, boom. They knocked it out very
much intentionally.
>> Mhm.
>> And it moved off and it was still
knocked down. They're an hour away from
Malmstrom. You know, these are very
widely separated areas. So he's
radioing. He's like, "Something
happened." They're like, "We're on our
way. We'll pick be there in less than an
hour. We'll pick you up." Took him and
his team. His team didn't see anything.
just he him and the security guard who
was like just losing his mind [laughter]
and didn't want they told him don't go
out get don't get out of this Jeep you
are to remain in the jeep cuz this thing
was still there.
>> Yeah.
>> And uh he got out and looked at
[laughter] it.
>> Uh goes back to the base and they gave
him the riot act, you know, basically a
full day of this didn't happen, this
didn't happen, this didn't happen. Uh so
an amazing case and another witness to
this. There's a bunch of witnesses are
still coming out of the Nstrom case.
>> Yeah. I mean most nuclear facilities
have you know especially when you have
any type of warhead or any type of like
weapon of mass destruction. I feel like
there's
>> a lot of activity around those places.
Like obviously you know God
>> I'm thinking Yeah. I'm thinking UFO and
nukes, you know, um
how many cases are in that? It was like
116 or something or individuals who
who've come out and and and talked about
that stuff. Um we have uh next week here
I got Mario Woods coming. Um Mario Woods
who's Are you familiar with his case?
>> Um not off the hand. No.
>> Yeah. He was um a senior staff sergeant
I believe and he was working at one of
these uh one of these facilities housing
nukes and he was a security officer and
uh
an orb the size of a Walmart as he put
it comes right down over the silo and
like opens it up and like things are
turning on now and everything's going
live like this thing's going to launch
and he's thinking to himself literally
the thought that he had that he told me
he's Like I thought I have to drive my
truck into the hole.
>> So to to like trigger some fail safe to
get this nuke to stop from launching.
>> Wow.
>> Like that's how panicked he was, you
know. And then um you know
>> it's it's a clearcut
>> missing time.
>> Stop playing with notes.
>> Yeah. Missing time and then also ET
interaction through that. And and this
guy's like the most like again these
people work around these facilities are
if you take so much as an aspirin, you
have to write it down. Like these are
people with all their wits about them.
Their mental faculty is constantly
checked because you have to you have to
be a very sane, very normal um very
psychologically balanced person to work
anywhere around these facilities. and
you are monitored like a hawk. And so
yeah, if you're looking for a credible
witness, look no further than the people
who work at these places because that is
their entire life is being a credible
witness.
>> Yeah. One guy wouldn't talk to me. I had
to do it through a a medium, you know,
basically he would tell me. So it's a
completely hearsay story,
>> right?
>> But he worked at a underground base in
Alaska. They gave him sodium pentathol
hypn hypnotism
>> every single week so they could know
every single thing he did. He got out of
it.
>> They said they pulled him out of high
school. He had fantastic scores on his
SAT.
>> He was he was Brad
>> the field of knowledge that they were
looking for.
>> And he wouldn't tell me what his job
was, but he said this was a base in
Alaska that was seven stories down. They
worked on three things. sensing devices
that can see through solid objects,
biological warfare that what we know is
nothing and uh electromagnetic devices
that are reverse engineered from ET
craft that most of what people are
seeing in that area is not ET.
I I learned very early on some guy told
me he's like you need to know that most
of what people are seeing not most he
said like 20 30%. But Michael Shrat is
now telling me no it's closer to 70%.
>> Wow. what people are seeing is, you
know, us.
So, yeah.
>> Do you think that there is an imminent
human invasion
that'll be sort of hoaxed in our
lifetime?
>> Oh, the false flag.
>> Yeah.
>> I sure hope not. But yeah,
>> you you do think that that's a possible.
How high is your conviction on a
percentage scale that that's going to
happen within our lifetime?
>> Oh, god. I could I couldn't give you an
exact number, but
>> Over 50?
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> I I'm worried about it. I think we're
seeing signs of it. I feel like our
government is pushing a fear threat
narrative,
>> militarization,
>> and the media certainly is very
fear-based. Yeah. So, they love a scary
story, but
>> I don't know. This is not my area of
expertise, but ETSs have basically said
this. They've told people this.
>> Uh, so I'm worried about it. You know,
I've got I've got so many darn ET
stories from people like a lady saw 15
foot praying mantis while out jogging.
>> Oh my gosh. Oh my god. Or the lady I
worked with saw this little alien statue
on my desk. Screams like, "What's that?"
I'm like, "Connie, what do you think it
is? It's an alien." She's like, "Well, I
I saw one of these when my son was a
newborn. There's that weird connection
to Yeah.
>> You know, pregnant and little bit."
>> She said, "This thing tried to get open
her window. It's a fixed window. It did
not walk through the wall. It's looking
at her little baby in a crib trying to
open the window. It woke her up. this
kind of squeak squeak sound. She sits up
in bed. It looks at her, slams her down
in bed. She can't move. She can't cry
out. After 3 minutes, it walks off. She
jumps out of bed, scoops up her baby,
and tells her husband something was at
the window. That's a monster. We're
getting out of here. And he's like, "You
just had a dream." She's like, "It was
no dream. That was not a dream." She
went to her mother. She wouldn't come
back for two weeks. She said, "I'm not
coming back unless we get guard dogs."
And they did. And she's like, I'm we
have to move. I'm not staying here. I
mean, that's how badly it affected her.
She like I worked with this lady for
quite a while and she must I don't you
know preach like I'm a UFO researcher.
So I'm not really not at work, you know.
>> Yeah.
>> But she saw that little statue that my
boss had given me my
>> just triggered and it was a statue of a
mantis.
>> Little gray.
>> Little old little gray.
>> Yeah.
>> Oh. But yeah, the lady who saw Mantis
was a teacher and she goes out jogging
at 3:00 a.m. and she's in Fallon,
Illinois. This is right around the time
the O'Hara in Chicago O'Hara incident
happened.
>> Uh, so you can date that. What was it?
200
>> 2006.
>> Yeah.
>> And Oakland, Illinois. It's a pretty
country town.
>> And she comes up to this tea
intersection, Kyle Avenue. I'll never
forget it. She described it. I looked it
up on Google. It was all correct what
she was saying. and she sees what she
thoughts a man on stilts walking down
the middle of the street. This is at
like 4 a.m.
>> Oh my god. The the horrific image of a
man on stilts, I think, is more
terrifying.
>> On his arm [laughter] and so it walks
right into the street light. I saw the
street light
>> and she said this thing came up more
than half the street. So she knew how
tall it was.
>> Whoa.
And she's like it's got it's 15 feet if
it's you know anything.
>> They seem a mantis.
>> Yeah.
>> It had those little things. It's big
triangular head, eyes the size of
basketballs.
Oh, that's what Kevin came said. They
told him they speak any language on
Earth easily. They know that our
governments do have ET technology. They
told them all kinds of stuff. They're
like way more advanced. Yeah. There was
a tale of a another military guy who
said that
he heard he overheard
um he was at Area 51 and he overheard
someone in their conversation saying,
"Yeah, keep the humans out. The the
mantids don't like them."
And so whatever that means. And he was
like he came out and said like, "I don't
know anything, but I heard that, you
know."
>> Well, you know, that doesn't surprise
me. I don't like a lot of humans myself.
[laughter]
>> I wouldn't like those humans either.
>> And I'm I love people, but some of the
folks on Earth are so messed up.
>> That doesn't make the mantids evil.
[laughter]
>> It makes whoever they're working with.
>> I told you before, I'm worried about
how, you know, our I hate to blame, you
know, use the term governments cuz
>> Sure.
>> but the way we're being treated is not
okay.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, our government should have our
best interests in mind. And I don't see
that sometimes. They do not. Yeah.
>> So, I'm concerned about it.
>> I think the individuals who make up the
government are 99% really good people or
believe that they're good people or, you
know, some but I think that they're very
1%, you know, poisons the well, you
know, because when we use broad terms
like the government,
I know people who work for the clerical,
you know, they're wonderful people in
like, you know, doing paperwork and
just, you know, doing whatever. People
work for the government. There's there's
transport.
Yeah. There's a whole like the
government does do things that are just
normal, too. Um but lumping them all in
together like there is like you said
earlier on there's a cabal at the very
top that is unobjectively
evil. Um
>> right. Yeah. I mean there there's no
morals there.
>> No. And so when ETSs say, you know,
don't like them, I think that they're
very much aware of what we're doing. I
think that they're aware of every darn
one of us.
>> Yeah.
>> On this planet. I really do.
>> Uh
and you know, I love finding patterns
and strange cases. The high stranges.
Here's high stranges for you.
>> Let's go.
>> This ET phone calls
thinking this is, you know,
>> like a ET calling someone.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. Well, I'm interviewing this guy
from upstate New York. Doesn't want his
name used. Uh, I think his first name
was Kenneth. I'll go that far. Okay. Uh,
full on doesn't like this stuff. He had
missing time. It's very traumatic for
him. They ended up pulling him on board,
showing him his hybrid child. Like,
isn't this great? He's like, "No, what?"
Horrified and like loving this child at
the same time. So, really, really hard
for him. He's a nurse. Uh, at any rate,
right before this happened, he's driving
along and his phone starts ringing, his
cell phone in a way that he's got a song
set up for when it rings, you know,
music. It's not doing [snorts] that.
It's going beep and it says no number
and he's like just ignoring it and it
keeps going. Finally, he answers it and
hear clicks clicks click click click the
time is coming in this weird voice,
not a normal voice. [snorts] And he he
kept getting these weird phone calls and
my mind starts thinking, "My god, Bud
Hopkins, his case with uh Debbie Jordan
Cobble."
>> Yeah. Right.
>> The Wednesday night phone calls. Wait,
Ray Fowler, Betty Andreas, she had this
too. Um these weird phone calls. She had
lots of clicks and L's and T's and and
I'm like, "Oh my god." I started digging
Jack Sarati. this. Yeah. The famous call
from the future or whatever that was.
Yeah.
>> So I started I found all these cases
which know this fits in because ETS are
electromagnetic effects.
>> Sure. You know I recently looked at a
case where this guy saw a UFO on TV.
That's the image came ET's coming out.
One week later that happened to him. A
lady in upstate New York saw gray on ET
on the television. Yeah. It was coming
through that. I talked I was at a
convention once. This guy comes up to
me. He's like, "You're going to think
I'm crazy." I was in my house. The TV
screen comes on and shows the interior
of a UFO. Little Gray is walking around.
So, he runs up to get his parents. Wait,
can't get them to wake up. Running
through the house. He's looking at the
TV, losing his mind. Looks out the
window. There's the UFO hovering
overhead. Goes back to the TV and it
fades away. Have you have ever done
anything like that? I'm like, "No, I
sure haven't." Well, I have now. Um, so
yeah, they can affect electromagnetic
instruments in ways that are ET contact
can happen in a variety of ways.
>> What about the Ashtar command?
>> Uh, [sighs]
[gasps]
[laughter] not buying it.
>> No, I'm on one side of the fence.
>> Yeah, that's fine.
>> I don't I just mention it because it
did, you know, fit into this. I mean,
there's a crazy pattern. They found a
bunch of cases of UFOs hovering over
prisons.
>> Oh, really?
>> Landing next to it. ET's coming out. One
guy pulled from his jail cell, put back
in.
>> Oh, that might that must have been a
good day for him.
>> It was for a while. I don't know why
they didn't just take him out.
>> Yeah. Yeah. [laughter]
>> Go run.
>> Just on the other side of the wall.
>> Put him back in. He was in I talked to
him personally.
>> Wow.
>> He's uh he spoke French. I I speak
French. I can speak. I can't understand
it. Sure. [laughter]
>> I took it for eight years. So if you
speak real slowly, I can But he spoke in
a way that I just couldn't get it and
the recording wouldn't come out
>> so mad. But he was in jail for smoking
marijuana.
>> Oh.
>> Uh which now it's like
>> what a terrible offender.
>> Yeah. [laughter]
>> Lock him up for life.
>> Yeah. They put him in his house or in
some Yeah, I think it was his house.
>> Yeah. I never got to record, you know,
transcribe the interview. So, I can't
really use it.
>> Yeah, sure.
>> If you're not going to let me record you
and
>> Yeah.
>> You know,
>> it's
I can't use it.
>> Yeah.
>> Uh because I have to be very I have to
have proof that I at least talked to
this person.
>> Of course. Yeah. It's minimal uh
journalism.
>> But yeah, Colorado prison. Um they
visited three, four times. I got cases
of them landing, the humanoids. Tell me
about some of those. I want to hear
about maybe just like one or two because
these ones fascinate me as well is the
uh the ones that look like us that are
among us.
>> Yeah.
>> That you hear about, you know, that kind
of just blend in. People don't seem to
see them and then somebody goes, "Oh,
you look strange." And then they talk to
them in their minds and go, you know,
she can see us. Oh my god. Or have you
have you had some of those people call
in or like or hit you up? Um, in terms
of ETS am walking on Earth among us.
>> Yeah. People who've had encounters with
with those.
>> I I've certainly gotten human looking
encounters, human. But in terms of
walking among us, I'm sure I have. I'm
trying to think of one.
>> But like humanlooking ones like you're
you're speaking of those are on board.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. Yeah. Because I've had a few where
people are like, "No, I was, you know,
at a grocery store and, you know, they
were wearing just the most beautiful
pieces." So, I do know about a whole
bunch of them where
like uh [sighs and gasps]
John Hunter Gray and his son Richland
Center Wisconsin had a full-on
abduction. I don't like that term.
Sorry. Onboarding encounter. I I stopped
using it because I was offending people.
I call them onboarding experiences. Uh
and they felt it was friendly anyway.
So, yeah. But prior to their onboard
experience, they're at a gas station.
They, you know, he remarked on this as
being connected. There's this little
guy, four feet tall, wearing a
fisherman's cap, covers everything, you
know, gloves. It's a hot day. Glasses,
some some you can't see anything, right?
And he's they could see his eyes through
the glasses and he had beady little
eyes. And there, you know, context will
almost always mention the eyes. The
eyes. The eyes. The eyes. So he's like,
who is this? Why this guy? He's so
weird. He's staring at us. This is
crazy. So, they go away from the gas
station. This guy follows them. I think
it was in a VW bug all the way turns
off. That's when their car stalls.
That's when the UFO lands. That's when
they're taken on board.
>> Oh my gosh.
>> And of course, Betty or was it Debbie
Jordan Cobble met the ET on the bus? Uh
people have seen them in restaurants.
Ingo Swan has that one famous case.
>> Grocery store. Yeah.
>> Yeah. There was um Richard Dolan shared
a few with me as well.
>> Timothy Good.
>> Yeah. And then I had one I actually
emailed this guy back just yesterday. Um
but he told me about Yeah. It was a
hardware store. Two very tall 6' 9 6'10
women, beautiful twins dressed
identical, walking in lock step in a
hardware. The most insane thing. and
nobody turned their heads.
>> Hans Hozer, he wrote a book about UFOs.
He's got this, it's a pseudonym, Shane
Kurs, a student who was
>> walking to school. This is West Morland
High School in New York. It's funny, I
can remember these details cuz the UFO
stuff just sticks in.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> But at any rate, this guy approaches her
and he's weird looking. He's got this
white, thin blonde hair, pale pale skin,
large dark eyes, weird clothes. She
couldn't describe him. She was too kind
of like, "Who is this three?" is how she
put it. Yeah.
>> Starts asking all these weird questions
like where are you going? What are you
going to do in there?
>> You know, what's volleyball? You know,
just off-the-wall questions.
>> And uh she she's like, "He's a creep.
He's a creep." And he said, "Well, come
with me. Come see my white car in the
field." She's like, "I'm not going with
you." And starts to walk away. Turns
around. He's gone. There's nowhere to
go. Her friends come running up to her
like, "Who was that weird guy?" She's
like, "I have no idea. This is right in
front of the school. It's like three
weeks later. He's she sees him in the
liquor store and he's staring at her.
Same guy. And she rushes out. [snorts]
Of course, shortly after that, taken on
board. There he is. Ended up. It's a
pretty traumatic encounter for her.
>> Uh where, you know, I think she they had
intimate relations.
>> Uh but makes you wonder because I've
looked into these cases there. Yeah.
There was a guy I interviewed who saw
this what looked like a gray on a bus
and I've come to look for like three
things. Their their behavior is unusual,
their appearance is unusual and their
clothes are unusual and this thing was
and they'll talk to you telepathically.
>> That happens a lot. Yeah, that's what
you hear most is just this clear sort of
oh my god she can see me.
>> Yeah, he pulled his chapter. I gave him
whenever I write about someone I send
them their chapter. I'm like, and he
fact checked it and and I'm like, "Okay,
we're going to publish the book." He's
like, "I want to pull out." I'm like,
"Oh, really? Why? Whatever." You know,
that's his prerogative certainly.
>> Yeah.
>> But I'm like, I was so disappointed cuz
I had worked so hard interviewing him
and getting everything right. And
>> I mean, that's fine. I'm not going to
blame him cuz it's a big deal. Super
strange too for someone to um go through
life having to acknowledge that versus
not having to. Very enticing to do the
latter,
>> I think, for a lot of people and I think
rightfully so for some people. You know,
some people are just, hey, I don't want
to make my life about this.
>> Yeah.
>> Like I'm a person. I have a family. I
have relationships. I have a job. I need
to do these things. And so for me to
derail all of that because of one happen
stance that perhaps I shouldn't have
even been a part of doesn't make sense.
And I I I can't blame people for that.
>> I blame the government.
>> Yeah.
>> Again in quotes
>> for not allowing Yeah. Exactly. For
basically the ridicule and
>> delegitimizing this whole subject.
>> Yeah. Yeah. And and done so clinically.
>> Yeah. And effectively. Yeah.
>> I mean I bought it.
>> Yeah.
>> And I thought I thought I was a smart
No. [snorts] I absolutely bought into
it.
>> Yeah. Now it's this term of they're in
our airspace with impunity. That term
I'm kind of sick of hearing.
>> Yeah. Who's airspace for one thing?
[laughter] They were here first.
>> Yeah. Our airspace. Our sovereign
airspace.
>> Yeah. I don't think they presented
danger to aviation either. No.
>> Oh, they come around our crafts and it
could be dangerous. I'm like, well,
>> yeah, we could have collisions. only
please let's have one [laughter] let's
let's acknowledge a collision then you
know if if they're flying around there
with the amount of
>> I looked into it I found a few cases of
people who hit UFOs with their car or
>> ran over an ET there's a few
>> Mhm.
>> Uh but statistically speaking it's
insignificant. It's less than 1%.
>> Yeah. There's the case there's a few
Mexican pilots
>> there's Yeah. That one where the up on
top and on
>> and on the sides. Yeah. and it damaged
his landing gear.
>> I think that that that plane was going
to go down and they're like, "I'll take
it." I mean, I don't know.
>> Yeah.
>> But I thought I wondered about that.
>> Yeah. There's the other guy, too,
Carlos. Uh, forget his last name, but he
was a young it was his first solo flight
that he was doing and he got
commandeered by like some channeling
entity and then they recorded that call
or whatever,
>> but he's got a whole bunch of missing
time there. didn't know like his fuel
tank was full by the time he landed and
like this whole Yeah.
>> super mysterious.
>> Yeah, there's a so much to unpack with
this field. I'm really glad it's moving
towards mainstream.
>> I don't think we'll ever get disclosure.
I think what we're seeing now is for one
reason only. The secret government,
that's what I'll call them.
>> Yeah.
>> Is losing control of the narrative.
>> Now there's an army of researchers out
there. There's an army of experiencers.
The evidence is mountainous. If they
don't come forward and say this is real,
they're ridiculous. They look not
credible. Unbelievable.
They're irrelevant.
>> Yeah. And frankly, I have zero sympathy.
They dug their own grave. Um, here's the
way I look. Disclosure to me is show us
the Roswell craft. Show us the bodies.
We know you got them. We're not seeing
that. And until and unless they will
admit to the capital flyover of 1952.
Um, yeah, 52. Until unless they'll admit
to Monstrom and Roswell and any of a
dozen high-profile cases that we know
are real. I don't want to hear what you
have to say. You are lying. I don't need
lying liars to tell me what I already
know is true. And there's a case from
Virginia Donald Shross. I love this
case. UFO lands. Human looking ETSs come
out and he's like, "Oh my god." Has this
conversation with him and he says, "Why
don't you just disclose?" They gave him
a look like we already have. That's what
they told him. We already have. And I
think that that's true. They've done
their part. This UFOs over the
>> ETS have Oh yes.
>> The This Hometown series I put together
proves that basically they've visited
everywhere on this planet. You can name
any town. And I don't want to say any,
but so far I'm batting 100%. Uh, they've
been there. That's disclosure. You know,
they've shown themselves pretty much
everywhere on this planet. So, come on.
How much how much information do you
need to know this is real? It's my
feeling that anyone who's objectively
examines the evidence, and I'll
underline that objectively, and looks at
it for a day, can only come away
convinced. And for those debunkers and
skeptics out there, I'm like, I'm sorry.
I don't mean to be rude, but you haven't
done your homework. You have not done
your research. I mean, how they're like,
well, why don't they tow themselves to
presidents and leaders of state and
senators? They have. Absolutely. I did a
whole article in my not from your books.
take me to your leader because yeah,
they showed themselves to Senator
Russell, Governor Gilligan of Ohio, uh
>> the guy from the president, also the um
the president of Kikia,
>> how my buddy Jesse Michaels, yeah, went
out there and he's he's a contactee like
>> Yeah. an on border as you'd put it
>> and a major chess champion, too, by the
way.
>> Yeah. The head of Feday or at one point.
Yeah.
>> Yeah. But the Mexican president, the
Brazilian president, a bunch of them.
>> As of today, the Japanese government is
coming out as well. And no coincidence,
Jesse's over there covering that story
right now. But um they're they're coming
out and saying that they're going to
start releasing things.
>> It's time. It's past time.
>> I I think it's good that these other
countries are taking a lead. I think
that sets precedent because if anything,
if nothing else, it it will entice, you
know, the government that's been
covering this stuff up to at least dulge
something because these if everybody
else comes forward with really credible
information, I mean, what other choice
do you have? You have to be on top of
this, right?
>> Sooner or later, a whistleblower is
going to break out with the actual hard
proof.
>> Yeah. I think disclosure is inevitable
for one simple reason. It's true. This
is all true. You can hide the truth. You
can distort it. You can lie about it.
You can play around with it,
>> but you can never destroy it. Truth is
truth. Yeah. And there's just no way you
can hide something forever.
>> Well put. Certainly hope so.
>> We got questions from the audience.
Preston we got to get to. So, I'm going
to go turn that camera on. Give me one
second.
>> Let's go.
>> Did we run the gamut?
>> Yeah.
>> Have we hit everything? Almost. We
didn't. We did. Well, we did discuss
OBS. What haven't we discussed on your
list? I'm just curious.
>> Bigfoot and UFOs over graveyards.
>> Oh, great. Wonderful. We'll bring that
up. Um, but before we do,
you know, as a member, one of the perks,
one of the many perks here is the
potential to have one of your questions
answered on air by our guests. And they
always submit, as you probably know,
these audiences are
>> they're sharp. Oh, it's just such a
great collective sea of knowledge that
they ask better questions than I could
ever ask.
>> Okay, Tess has got Tess is going right
for
>> uhoh
>> the jugular.
>> Now I'm worried.
>> Of the contact cases you've studied,
which are most likely to be SCOPS and to
what end?
O [sighs]
well,
let me think about this for a second. I
would say that case of a he won't let me
use his name. A marine officer joined
the Marines at 17. Had to get a parents
voucher. Went to Pendleton
and they I mean they set him up. They
had some guy come to his office and
there were papers on the desk that were
all about UFOs that were fully
confidential and and just led him down
the garden path to where he was taken
and shown this UFO and ended up bringing
out a reptilian officer who was like 7
feet tall and everyone he says they told
him don't break ranks. Whatever happens
don't break ranks. He was the only one
who didn't break rank. And this thing
came right up to him and stared at him.
I'm like, "What did it look like?" This
poor man started weeping.
And I'm like, he's I'm like, "It's okay.
You know, if you don't want to talk
about this, that's fine." He's like,
"No, I really want to talk about it." He
says, "I can't tell you what he looked
like because I couldn't look. I was too
afraid. But it had reptilian eyes and
skin and all." And diving into his case
cuz he had a great experience as a
child. He levitated. He was taken on
board repeatedly. He had all this
psychic ability going on. Amazing guy.
He was very altruistic. He worked at a
welding factory and got everyone there
raises, you know, basically because they
were dipping these people. He was Latino
and they were basically taking advantage
of the Latino people who worked there.
And
uh after talking to him um we he basic
said they experimented on me. They
[clears throat] sigh upped me. Why? I
don't I can't tell you for sure other
than to sort of paint this as a negative
experience. They killed his dog. He said
that was it for me? I think they're
demonic. He became very religious
uh and had an encounter that I don't
even know what to think about cuz it's
just so
I don't know.
>> It was my lab stuff.
>> Yeah. It was not okay. But here's an
interesting thing which I didn't bring
up, you know, because
he worked as a welder, right? He kept
knocking that welding machine off um
offline. This is a very very expensive
machine. They said, "We need you to go
to the doctor. You're destroying our
equipment." And uh they couldn't figure
out any anything wrong with him except
they did find an implant in his body.
But I've talked to so many people who've
had this problem. They're knocking out
TVs. Yeah. You know, one lady, she had
an encounter with this little silver
suited humanoid. This is Mount Reneer,
Washington. Goes to work, knocks out her
computer. She's like, "IT guy, come
here." Goes to the copier, knocks that
out. She's like, "As soon as you're
done, copier." Goes to the fax machine
back when we had those. Knocks that out.
Uh, and she's like, "I don't know what's
going I I finally figured it out. I
think they're basically
energizing or elevating our magnetic our
bioelectric field rather because people
will knock out light bulbs."
>> Yeah.
>> The guy I was talking to says, "You
wouldn't believe my light bulb budget."
He they he was investigated by Thelma
Moss and they're like they he gave him
the light bulbs her and they're like
well it didn't explode imploded whatever
you know
wild but yeah um people have poltergeist
activity and they're like it's that's
you demon this is you doing telekinesis
because when you're with the ETSs you're
telepathically communicating they're
levitating that's not uh technology
necessarily
That's them.
>> Mhm.
>> Cuz their technology is very psychically
based. But I got case after case of
people coming mapping their experiences
and they're levitating.
Full-on levitating. Happened to Whitley
Streber. Jacqu Valet's case, the guy who
got healed, levitated twice. Steven
Greer says, "I I levitated twice." Dolly
Saffron. I'm like, "I don't suppose
you've ever levitated." And she gave me
like, "Oh, no. He's asking this."
>> Oh, she was a kid. Yeah.
>> Yeah. And uh I got 20 cases of that and
I ended up writing a whole book on
levitation because this is absolutely
something we can do. And then you know
Diana Pulka also pursuing the sort of
religious lens through which levitation
happened because you have all these um I
don't know I don't know what to call
them but these
these holy sort of whether it's
apparitions or whether it's whatever but
you had like St. Francis of Aisi like
the the stigmata stuff the uh were they
also levitated? Yeah, there's weird
bleedthroughs a lot of this phenomena,
but
>> yeah, I human levitation has been proven
in a scientific laboratory setting
repeatedly.
>> Really?
>> Oh, yeah. The experiments of here were
Carrington using finger levitation. He
put four people around a table or a
chair rather and you know the breathing
in and out and then what is it? Stiff as
a board, light as a feather. Yeah. And
they lifted this guy up. He recorded a
loss of weight of 47 pounds on the first
attempt, 53 on the next, 48 on the the
third, over and over. It's never been
repeated.
>> But there was the case of Car Carmine
Mirabelli, Brazil's greatest medium.
They had all the scientists surrounding
him and he levitated actually went
through the wall through a darn wall. Uh
yeah, it's been proven a number of times
the experience with Uapia Paladino.
I would love to witness one of these
things myself as a as a magician um you
know obviously very skeptical of
levitations um when I hear about them
because of the knowledge that I have but
I'm also very open to the idea of yes
please like let's let's
>> I've seen you know Chris Angel and some
like show us this show us the sky you
know no they don't cuz you know we've
got wires
>> no yeah but there are some like a friend
of mine Xavier Mortimer he's a Vegas
magician as well. He's known for uh
levitating in the middle of a park.
>> In the middle of a park.
>> Some of this stuff I don't know how they
do it.
>> Using a jump rope in the sky.
>> And do you know how it's done?
>> I do. Yeah. But it's a trick.
>> Yeah, of course it's a trick. Um but you
know, you can you can you can fool
people like that.
>> I fooled people at work with a simple
technique.
>> Yeah.
>> They absolutely lost their minds. At a
certain angle, you can appear to
levitate.
>> Yeah. Yeah. That's the Buchi levitation.
That's where you you lift one foot.
Yeah,
>> it works really well.
>> Yeah, of course it does. Yeah, there's
but there's, you know, there's a large
large long list of Levitation is one of
the
>> it's been photographed. You know, there
are photographs and films, but
>> Yeah. Again, again, I I'm I remain
dubious because of uh and until I see it
myself, I won't be 100% convinced.
>> Well, I had a family friend who swore up
and down she levitated and that's what
got me into this. And then I found
another one.
>> Yeah,
>> I got a lot of crazy looks. I hear about
it. Angela Ford told me she had
levitated when she was a kid, too.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> I'm telling you, it's a thing.
>> Yeah. I'd love to see it. I want to see
it. Or or or better yet, fly me to the
moon.
>> Robert Monroe said he had two incidents
of it.
>> Yeah.
>> He slipped down the stairs and floated
down.
>> You know what? A lot of people have that
memory of when they were a kid floating
down the stairs. I have that memory.
>> There you go.
>> I have that memory of like not touching
any of the stairs. But again, is this
just like some psychological, you know,
>> this stairway thing is tripping me out
because I have a dozen cases of this
>> really?
>> There's I call it the floating stage.
>> Age 5 to 10.
>> Yeah.
>> And the stairs figure in about most of
these cases actually. Yeah.
>> Mostly down, but some going up.
>> Me, it's always down.
>> Always going down. And like Yeah. I
remember like
like large leaps and like just lighted
light as a feather getting down these
stairs. Well, the Native Americans had
something they called in Native Indian
running I think. Oh,
>> or that's kind of I guess the term we
got. But
>> yeah,
>> they knew this one guy who could do it
and they followed his footsteps and they
started getting lighter and wider and
wider and they disappeared and they two
days later they met him in town like,
"Oh yeah, he's been here for three
days."
>> Oh wow. Uh, well, I'd love to hear from
the audience, too. If you've got any
levitation stories, let us know.
>> All right. Yeah, the SCOPS.
Gosh, that's probably the only real case
that I can Melinda Leslie. If we talked
to her, she's had a lot of this kind of
myab stuff going on.
>> She was on board and she saw a bold
dressed colonel there. Yeah, I
interviewed her about that and put in
one of my books. Jeremy Weekes who was
here as well. He had like an argument
with an officer on board and he knows
what faction or what sort of uh
compartment of department of military he
was with like he could see the badges
and everything. He didn't want to tell
me but he's like yeah he's like I've and
there were apparently Gray's on board
and they were arguing why is he here?
Why is he here? While he was there, he
was confused at why he was there. And
>> yeah, Carla Turner, I think a lot of
cases she was working on cuz she also
like Jacobs came away with like this is
not great news.
>> Yeah.
>> But I think a lot of her stuff was, you
know, what we were calling stuff
>> cuz she kept talking about seeing
officers or her witnesses did rather.
>> Yeah. Okay. Let's go on to something
we wanted to talk about earlier.
from Hex. Do you see any connection
between UFO alien activity and crypted
such as Bigfoot or Yeti?
>> 100%. Yeah, let's talk about it.
>> Yeah. You know, I'm doing a lot of UFO
research and I started to hear about
Bigfoot. I'm like, I'm not going there.
That's a can of worms. What if it's
real? I bet it is. I'm not ready for
this. So, I avoided it for the longest
time. And then I get this guy from
Canyon Country, California, living on
the edge of the LA National Forest,
1978. He's a radiologist,
you know, a smart guy. Had a UFO
basically land in his or hover in his
backyard and it took off. He says, "The
next night Bigfoot showed up." I'm like,
"The next night?" He's like, "Yeah, I
was in telepathic contact with it. I'd
never heard of this." You know,
telepathic contact with Bigfoot. That's
apparently a thing in a number of cases.
He said it was mad at his dogs were for
going crazy. Bigfoot and dogs don't get
along for whatever reason. And uh he he
felt sure that there was a connection
here and he says just so you know after
this we had a poltergeist outbreak in
our home. I'm like okay well that's kind
of what is going on here and I started
to get some of these Bigfoot UFO cases.
I ended up becoming a Bigfoot
researcher. You know, I had my own darn
encounter with this lady who's having
she's a contact date eat. Started having
Bigfoot. This is on the other side of
the LA National Forest in Actton. She
like, I know where it lives. Let's go.
I'll show you. I think it's in this
valley. We went up there. It's dusk or
she brought all the sound equipment,
right? She wants to record this thing.
And uh she's pulling the stuff out of
the back of the car and I'm walking to
the front of the car. This is there's no
sign of civilization except for this
dirt road. And this is maybe five or 10
miles off the high freeway, but the LA
National Forest is a million oh, I don't
forget how many million of acres, but
it's big. And I looked it up. Lots of
Bigfoot reports there. And uh I'm
standing in front of the car kind of
surveying the scene. Uh and something
something roars. And my first thought is
it's a it's a jet going overhead. Of
course, there was no jet. And she's
petrified. She's stuck still. She's
absolutely petrified. She asked me, "Do
you do these things kidnap people?" I'm
like, "No, I I've never heard of a case
of that." I was wrong. It turns out
[laughter] I was still new to Bigfoot
research. Uh so I later told her, I'm
like, "Well, yeah, maybe stay inside
because that that has happened. It's
super rare."
>> But we hear about the like the missing
411, the polites stuff, and I mean,
yeah. Then this thing roars again. And
now I can triangulate it. This roar went
on for like 20 seconds. That's a long
time.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, if you've heard a lion roar,
it's five, maybe 10 seconds. I was right
next to the lion in the zoo and it
roared. It's like, whoa. I had no idea
it was that loud. This thing echoed in
my chest. It had high tones. It had low
tones. I felt almost ultra sonic some of
it because it's like, damn, what the
heck is this? You know, I'm all about
bears. I've got all the books on bears
for whatever reason.
I grew up next to a cougar. You know, we
the Mercury
uh cougar, the the cars
>> where they had a cougar advertising it.
That cougar lived next to our house in a
cage sadly, but we would hear it all the
time. I grew up in an area where there
was a lot of wildlife in Topanga Canyon.
But this thing was none of that. And
then it roared again. Now I know where
it is. I go running towards it.
[laughter]
I want to see it. And she's like, "What
are you doing? Are you crazy?" You know,
get back here. That was my Bigfoot
encounter. So, we had to leave. She was
hysterical. But I thought
>> maybe for the best.
>> Who knows?
>> Hey, what better way to die than getting
kidnapped by Bigfoot?
>> I can think of a better way. [laughter]
>> But at any rate, I having looked into
all these Bigfoot cases, most people who
see Bigfoot are not going to see a UFO.
Most people see a UFO or ETS are not
going to see a Bigfoot, but there's a
smattering of cases and I'll say 200,
which is again statistically
insignificant, but it's there. How do
you explain this? People are like
Bigfoot's an alien.
>> I don't think so. Bigfoot's been around
forever.
Uh, and depending on who you talk to,
it's sensient, it's psychic, and so
forth. But seeing some of these cases
where Bigfoot seen coming out of UFO
walking in there with grades. Yeah. I
think and this is going to sound crazy.
This is my assessment. I think some are
contactees.
They're if they're intelligent
>> from another planet.
>> No, I think that they are being
contacted by ETSs in the same way you or
I would be.
>> Oh, like they live here already.
>> Yeah.
>> Oh, I see. And we know ETSs are studying
our planet from soil samples to
collecting animals, rabbits, all of
them, you know.
>> Yeah.
>> Picking up humans, taking genetic
samples.
>> That's an interesting take. Yeah, it's
an interesting take. I'll admit there's
also we see them on board too. Like
there there are um Jeremy Weekes who is
here once again.
>> Again um you know this guy was military.
He worked on radars. Um he's got crazy
story of uh binary
digits coming to him telepathically and
that he had a which is a whole message
and all sorts of stuff. But on board one
of these things he did remember seeing
like a shorter
>> that comes up.
>> Yeah. Furry
>> and dog men.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah.
>> That was kind of a relatively new thing.
Linda Godfrey came.
>> Dog men, frog men, birdmen, cat people.
There's all sorts.
>> Talk to Dolly. She saw a dog
>> on board.
>> Wow.
>> We only got a few I've got a few cases
of cat people and I kind of put them on
the back. I'm like that's
>> I don't know.
>> People say the lens or the Yeah,
>> but I started to get more of those. So,
there seems to be all kinds of stuff
going on here.
>> The one thing I think is interesting too
is that you have all of these different
species, right? or variations of the
same species, whatever it is.
>> But you find them all on Earth, like in
their primitive form, whether it's the
mantis, whether it's the bird, whether
it's the cat, whether it's the dog.
>> And what does that tell you? It tells
you that like, oh, we're all part of the
family, the same family. Do you know
what I mean? Like we're all sharing a
gene pool on some level.
>> We don't understand genes.
>> Yeah,
>> we really don't. But yeah, I think there
are little people, no gnomes, elves,
dwars. I cuz I talked to this guy who
saw he swears up and down it was an elf
cuz you know it had a big nose, bald
head, it would little brown jacket,
boots, the whole deal. And it would talk
to him. He saw it four or five times.
Never touched him. But he knew it could
manipulate objects. His mom's like, "Oh,
you're just you have an imaginary
friend, don't you?" Which confused him
because, you know, he's a little kid,
but this was not imaginary. And he's
like, "Next time it comes, I'm going to
have to tell him I'm moving and to come
with me." This is in Colorado. And uh
the elf showed up and he's like, "Oh,
I'm I'm leaving, you know, please come
with me." And the elf got all sad and
says, "I can't do that. We're tied to
this location." But I put this story
out, you know, in my books and on a
YouTube. The response was crazy. I'm
thinking, you know, elves are from the
1800s, right? No. Turns out bunch of
people like, "Oh, this happened to me. I
had the same. We saw six little people
and just a lot of them. One case that
stuck out was a guy says, this may have
been secondhand, but at any rate, um, an
elf appeared and he's holding up his
Matchbox car and looking at it, he wakes
up and goes, "Oh my god." It runs
through the wall with the Matchbox car
in his hand and Matchbox car hits the
wall, drops to the floor, and spins.
>> It's just a vivid detail. I feel like,
how do you make this stuff up? I mean,
it's it sounds so fantastical,
>> but what I want to know is who's making
their little sweaters, you know, where
[laughter]
where are these one guy's smoking a pipe
like really?
>> Yeah, that's that's the other thing too
is like there's a whole culture, right?
If you're wearing colors or tight
fitting clothes, then to some extent
aesthetics matter, right? So, if if
aesthetics matter, that means you have
art. That means you have a pallet. That
means you have uh a history of art, a
history of culture,
>> and and that's fascinating that there's
culture attached to this stuff. For the
most part, we hear about, you know,
nothing in the ships.
>> Yeah. They don't have paintings or
anything,
>> right? No. Right. So, we assume they're
like, "Oh, you guys are just bland or
something." Uh, but then you hear about
other stories, you're like, "Oh, no,
wait. There is something. There's
>> there's cases involving music
>> and these UFOs are aesthetically
beautiful."
>> They are. Yeah. Travis Wong talked about
that.
>> I mean, look at the sports model.
>> Yeah,
>> arguably that looks like a Ferrari
>> and their jumpsuits. The jumpsuit is the
fashion of choice with the ETSs, but
they have cloaks and capes and
>> Yeah. And a lot of these uh they're all
fit,
>> right? They're all fit. They're like in
shape. And so again, obviously health
matters, but maybe also the way they
look to some extent mattered at one
point where they would, you know, breed
in that in that direction or something
like I mean there's these questions have
to be asked, you know, when you see them
and they're like, okay, why are all
these tall blondes like what's the point
here? Like does this matter where you're
from? You know what I mean?
>> And so interesting, but I think those
are little people. I think they're
probably interdimensional to some
degree, but I'm not convinced they're
ETS.
>> Yeah.
>> And I know it goes back throughout
history.
>> The elves, you mean?
>> But yeah, but when you're in the 1800s
and 1700s and 1600s, you're not thinking
ETSs. So, I think there's quite a bit of
bleed through and misinterpretation of a
lot of these things cuz we always look
at things through the lens of our own
culture.
>> Yeah.
>> Like the airship wave of 1850, 1890,
1910.
>> Yeah.
>> Always kind of puzzled me cuz those are
zeppelins. Well, zeppelins were invented
in 1903. And I started really looking at
that. There's not grays on these things.
These are people. I honestly think
that's us, you know, technology that
>> testing things out.
>> That's my take on it right now.
>> It's probably a good take,
>> but it's hard to say for sure.
>> I mean, if I I always think back to
Aztec 1948 New Mexico.
um the people who discovered the saucer
who got or one of the air uh one of one
of the first people to come to the site
who runs up on the ship group of
firemen, wasn't it?
>> Yeah. And at the same time, you had a
helicopter coming in. Now, that's
advanced military tech. Helicopters
weren't out till 1948 or whatever, like
up and around then. So, that's like
seeing a stealth bomber. He's seeing two
UFOs, right? He's seeing a helicopter
and he's standing on a flying saucer.
Like he's having the craziest day of his
life.
>> That's got to be really confusing.
>> Do you know what I mean? Like it's it's
like the most modern human tech and like
whatever that is. Um yeah, I think back
to that. All right, I think we've we've
hit the mark here. I mean, I could talk
to you for hours and hours. This has
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It is just the tip of the iceberg.
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Preston?
>> I'm pretty easy to find. I do have a
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else you would like to say before we go?
No, I think we covered it. I would just
say, you know, do your own research. You
know, don't believe anyone. Don't
believe me. Look into it. When I say,
you know, ETSs aren't here to take over.
Prove me wrong or don't, you know, just
do your own research. I would not look
to the government. [laughter]
Uh but yeah, just move past fear, allow
love to and truth to guide your actions,
you know, because we're dealing with a
lot of delusion and confusion on this
planet and we really need to work hard
to I think come together and just do the
right thing. So yeah, love and tr love
is the answer.
>> Thank you so much, Preston.
>> My pleasure. Thank you.
On November 11th, 2025, my two kids and
I went into the backyard in Savannah,
Georgia to try and [music] get a glimpse
of the northern lights. There been this
big solar storm and what we saw instead
was something that none of us will ever
forget. [music] In quick secession, we
saw like five uh UFOs and the [music]
most striking was this giant triangle
and it had this gridlike pattern of
white lights on the underside of it. But
the craft itself was like
semi-transparent. Like you could see
through it when it moved in front of the
stars. You could see [music] the stars
behind it. It didn't make any noise.
Didn't have navigation lights. My
daughter, who's [music] 11, burst out
into tears and said, "Mom, mom, I he I
feel this humming inside of me. It's
like this loud humming." I didn't
>> [music]
>> uh experience that, but but she did. It
was unnerving for sure. I would say
[music] the the more striking
event happened later that night. Um my
daughter and I had a shared dream
experience where these three nonhuman
but humanlike beings spoke to us
telepathically. [music] They had these
big bright blue eyes and my daughter,
she said they look like Malfoyy's family
from Harry Potter. So, they're like bald
and, you know, pale and [music] and
blonde with long blonde hair. And they
said to us, "We've always been [music]
here, but now you can see us.
>> [music]