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>> Thank you. [laughter]
>> I the first I got first introduced to
you by a video you did with uh his
channel's Megalithic Marvels. Yes.
>> Yeah. And it was about ancient Chinese
artifacts that don't make any sense.
>> Yes.
>> And uh it was so fascinating. The moment
I saw it, I reached out to my guy. I was
like, I got to talk to her because this
is crazy.
>> So, please explain to people what these
artifacts are and what's so bizarre
about them.
>> I I first saw these artifacts in uh the
British Museum. So, they have an entire
whole wall full of them, and they're
they're made of nefright jade, which is
an extremely hard stone. Um, and they
just look they look machined. They look
way too precise for the the tools that
they say built them. So, I started doing
some research. I haven't been to the
site in China. It's it was built by the
Langju culture, so archaeologists say.
Um, but it the it's a two different
kinds of artifacts that are really
famous. One is called a sung tube, which
is a tall tube that's circular in the
middle and square on the outside and
extremely precise geometry. The other
one are these big round B discs that
almost look like a giant flat doughut
that are perfectly flat on top. You
know, there's the precision versions of
these just like you see all over the
world and there are versions that are uh
much crudder. So, it almost seems like
the civilization had this my my theory
is that these were not unlike the
hardstone vases in Egypt. Um, so it was
something that this culture either was
gifted or found and it turned into a
very cherished object like a grave good
for them. So you find these tombs in
Langghu, China that have literally
thousands of these jade artifacts in
them. Um, and it's not unlike the hard
stone vases that you see in Egypt where
you find those in the grapes as well.
>> So what what's the timeline where these
pieces are attributed to?
>> So these are really old. I mean the the
earthworks and the um
the the community around the lean
culture is securely dated by
archaeologists to like 3,400 BC and then
you know just so it's about the same
actually as the graves that were in
Egypt um with the hardstone bases. So
it's very it's very very old.
>> And the the at the time of this culture,
what were their tools? Like do we know?
>> Well, the the archaeologists say that it
were that it was made with um strings.
So they would take strings with sand or
some sort of an abrasive and they would
cut the jade that way and then they
would uh they would use copper tools,
stone hammers, those kinds of things to
shape it.
So the the explanation with
>> a giant smile on your face.
>> The explanation doesn't make a lot of
sense. And even you know the hole down
the middle of the bisc is a perfect I
mean you can see the drill marks on the
inside of the bis.
>> Can we do we have some images of these
things? Let's take a look at them.
>> Jamie I have um a china
>> folder
>> cuz the images on uh and uh by the way
that channel megalithic marvels Derek's
channel. Excellent. Really fun.
>> So great.
>> Great stuff.
>> Yeah. Derek is the one that got me into
all this.
>> Shout out to Derek. Shout out to Derek.
>> So, this is How do you say it? How do
you pronounce that? B disc. B disc. B I
disc.
>> And um how big is this?
>> So, that thing's about 9 in across.
>> Perfectly perfectly circular, perfectly
flat surface on the top,
>> like measured to to what tolerance,
>> you know? I I don't know the answer to
that. And I don't know that there have
been a lot of deep scientific studies on
the precision of these. Right. Right.
The archaeologists assume that that this
culture made them with bamboo, you know,
bamboo and strings.
>> Okay. [snorts]
>> So, yeah, there there that picture,
Jamie, you can see the inside of the
actual artifact in the bottom right.
That's drilled.
>> Yeah.
>> Right. And the one on the left is an
experiment these archaeologists ran with
a bamboo core down the middle of the
jade. And you can just you can see the
difference between the two. How far did
they get down with the bamboo
experiment? Oh,
>> all all the way through.
>> They got all the way through. How long
did that take?
>> I don't know the answer to that. There
was a an archaeologist that did an
experiment in the 1930s and they used
these strings with the abrasives to cut
off a piece of jade that was the size of
a basketball and it took them a week to
to cut the bamb or cut the string all
the way through that piece of jade.
>> So, it was a long time.
>> The difference in the people that are
listening. So, there's the bamboo
experiment where they drilled into
something with a bamboo and and cord and
some What else was did they use? They
like sand or something.
>> Yes. Abrasives of some sort.
>> Yeah.
>> And so, the difference is if you look at
the lines uh as it's drilling down,
they're thick and they don't look the
same. If you look at the ones in the
actual artifact, they're extremely
tight. They're they're way smaller and
they're they're tighter to each other
and it doesn't make sense. Like you look
at that, you're like that looks like a
machine.
>> It it does. And in this specific
instance, it looks to me like the drill
came from both directions. Like they
flipped it over and drilled from the top
and then flipped it over again and
drilled from the bottom and that's where
it met in the middle.
>> Wow. Um,
so when what is like what's out of all
these uh different artifacts, what's the
most puzzling one to you?
>> The sung tube,
>> which is the one on the left hand side
there.
>> Yep. So that you know that is a it's
larger on top, smaller on the bottom,
perfectly 90° corners. Um, it's got a
round tube in the middle, but the
artifact in general is square. So it's
just a very complex shape to create with
that level of precision. And Nefright
jade is a very a very hard stone. So it
would have taken you know this is a
people in my space talk about the mo
scale of hardness just as a way of
saying diamonds are a 10. You know
different different stone levels the the
um
the hard stone discs like diorite that
would be a six or seven. This is the
same. It's it's that hard. Wow. And
so
is the idea um well I'm just assuming
the idea is that there was a more
sophisticated culture that probably
existed predating that and these are
leftover artifacts.
>> It is only my opinion that that's the
case. I haven't seen a lot of people
talk about these artifacts at all. Um
Jamie, if you go back to the picture you
had just flashed on the screen, [snorts]
the reason I've developed this theory,
so this is an image on the side of the
largest uh sung tube. It's called the
king of jade sung. It's a 15 uh pound
artifact that was found and you can see
the raised stone. So it's the high
relief carvings that were later etched
over. [snorts] That etching is has
become very famous. If you look at
photos of the museum in Liangghu, this
image is everywhere. And I think that
this was an image that was used by uh
the Leangju tribe as like the the image
of the king basically. And so I but I do
believe that it was scratched over the
top of an original very uh interesting
high relief carving that you see in a
lot of other artifacts. Um so I think
that he basically found this. it looks
um it's something that they maybe could
not recreate and then they kind of
stamped their their kingly symbol over
the top of it.
>> So this is um it's common in Egypt as
well that and particularly this theory
among alternative historians because you
look at the complexity of some of the
sarcophaguses and some of the different
things that and then you see the writing
on the outside which looks like crudder.
The the the writing is not as precise.
The cutting is not as precise. There's a
lot of like chips to it. It doesn't look
>> like they use the same materials or the
same uh utensils you or tools.
>> Yeah. And you know the question is if
you had the ability there's the king of
jade sung. So if you had the ability to
make an artifact in that kind of a
shape, why would you not have also
created the scratching over the top in
that high that high quality version? So
why would you create the artifact like
that and then just scratch over the top
of it, right? It doesn't make sense.
>> It's there's always that's always been
the case that
history shows that people who are
controlling a region will take credit
for everything. They'll take credit for
all the ancient stuff, too. They'll put
their name on it. They own everything.
Yeah.
>> You know, and that's famous with
Pharaohs. They they did it with
everything. And this is documented. We
know that they wrote their name on
things that they didn't create.
>> Yeah. Ramsy's I was king Selfie. You
know, he [laughter] he put his cart on
everything.
>> Yeah. Which is I mean, it sounds like
what a dictator does. It sounds like
what a pharaoh would do.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, it doesn't mean that they made
it. And for us to just assume that they
did, knowing that people in great power
behave that way is kind of kind of
crazy. That's our map of history. So,
how did you get down this road where you
started looking at these objects and
looking at the the conventional
historical timeline and saying
something's wrong here
>> specific to the Chinese artifacts?
>> Yeah. Or or were you already on that
path when you found the Chinese
artifacts?
>> I've been on this path for a while and
you know my the name of my channel is
Secrets and Stone and the reason I named
it that is because I believe that the
stones speak to you. they will show you
exactly what the story is, right? Um, so
with these artifacts, just like the hard
stone de or hard stone bases, uh, it
just is out of place, you know, it
doesn't make any sense. And especially
in the British Museum, when you look at
these with your own eyes, um, and then
you read the story of how they believe
that they were made, you know, it's it
just doesn't it doesn't add up. And so
all you have to do, you know, in any of
these places is dig one or two levels
down and you start to start to see a lot
of inconsistencies.
>> One or two levels. So meaning that the
older stuff is the more complex.
>> Yeah. Or um with the way that the
archaeologists have interpreted a lot of
these sites, there's a whole lot of uh
assumptions that are made. You know,
there's there's carbon dating that only
goes partway down. uh you know they
they'll dig partway down, they'll date
it, it matches their story, and they
write the report. They'll take
inscriptions, you know, especially in
Cambodia, places like that, where a king
has written an inscription, and they'll
say, "Yep, well, that king wrote on
this, so this must have been made at
this time." And there's really no no
further investigation. Um, so it's it's
become a theme with my work um where
I'll go somewhere specifically with the
megalithic uh architecture. You can you
can see exactly where the old
architecture was built. Oftentimes it's
the lowest level and then you can see
where other cultures have come later and
built on top of it. And it just looks it
looks like a
just a copy of what's underneath. It's
like they were really trying to make
what they saw, but they just couldn't.
And so once you've kind of trained your
eye for that, you go anywhere in the
world and you see it.
>> How did you start looking at this stuff?
>> Um, I went to Well, I went to Egypt four
years ago and watched Ben Van Kirkwick's
videos. You know, Ben.
>> Sure.
>> Um, he's awesome.
>> So, I watched a couple of his videos on
the way to Egypt. That was my first kind
of introduction to this and then it just
became a bit of a obsession for me. Um I
like to go to the sites around the world
that other people don't really go to. So
um you know I think Egypt and Peru and
Turkey that's it's all in good hands,
right? Ben's Ben's watching over Egypt.
We've got Brian Forester down in Peru
doing amazing work. Um the sites I go to
are the sites that nobody else really
visits. Um, so I just got back from
India a couple weeks ago. I spent a lot
of time in Cambodia. I went to Thailand.
And these are the sites that I think if
you're trying to make a case or at least
a strong enough case that people will
consider, right, that there may be a
different history than what we're being
told. Um, I think you have to have more
than three examples. So if you can start
to to do a lot of research on these
sites all around the world, um you can
have thousands of examples of nubs for
example or megalithic architecture that
looks very similar. These walls that
look very similar all over the world
>> and it just make in my mind it makes a
much stronger case for it than just
continuing to look at the same sites
over and over again. It seems to me so
much more likely that the the timeline
is incorrect than the historians are
right and everyone else is just a
conspiracy theorist weirdo. The the more
you look at it, the more the more
questions I have like that Kyasa temple
in India. Yeah,
>> we've gone over that a few times, but
Jamie pointed out something that they
brought in about was it like an army to
try to destroy it.
>> Mhm.
>> And they barely put a dent in the damn
thing.
>> Yeah.
>> And they they stayed for a long time.
They tried to smash it up and they
couldn't do [ __ ] to it.
>> Yeah.
>> And then you go, "Okay, well, how did
they make this? What did they? And I saw
a a really wild uh YouTube video the
other day where this guy was proposing
that they used lasers and that it was
all laser carved and that they had some
sort of like super sophisticated laser
setup back then. That's why you're not
finding all the stone
>> that was
>> well you know it
>> like what? Wait a minute.
>> Look, I think that's absolutely
possible. It sounds but also so insane
that we're so wrong about the linear
timeline of human history that they had
[ __ ] lasers in India like how many
thousands of years ago
>> that they were using to carve an entire
massive perfect temple out of rock
>> you know I was just down at the Hoala
temples which are in southern India and
they have these lathes lathe turned
pillars the pillars are feet across
they're huge
and you walk up to them and you look at
them closely and you can see the lathe
marks on them and archaeologists concede
that they're lathe turned but they don't
concede that it's machined. So they
basically say well maybe they were
turned on a lathe. We'll give you that
but that was probably humanpowered or
animal powered. Yeah. So these are
>> god
>> these are the statue or the uh lathe
turn pillars in southern India. I was
just looking at these with my own eyes a
couple weeks ago. It's completely
unexplainable. And to think of the size
of the machine that would be required.
You say you turn that pillar sideways,
you [snorts] connect it to a machine on
each side and you start lathing. Um
Jamie, I have a folder in my India
[clears throat] uh pictures that
>> God that's so pretty
>> that has lots of ev So what you can see
at sites like Hampy in India is you can
see the evidence of lathing. So, it
almost looks like the setup that they
would have used to carve these kinds of
pillars. And it's just sitting in kind
of far-flung corners of these sites.
Nobody addresses what they are. Um, and
and so the evidence is everywhere of
this. It's just not, you know, it's
written off. It's like, well, that must
have been an animal powered lathe,
[laughter] you know. So, I I do think we
have strong evidence for machining in
ancient history. And in my mind, it
doesn't have to be machines. You know,
there there could have been other ways
that they were doing this that we don't
even recognize.
>> So, what is this that we're looking at?
>> So, this is in um this is at the museum
in Hampy in southern India. And that to
me looks like the L. So, it looks like
where a pillar might have been placed
and the machine was spinning um you
know, some sort of a lathe machine. So I
I think it's like the you know the other
side of these pillars basically
>> like the the end plates.
>> Yeah. Exactly.
>> Right. Okay. And so these pillars, how
large are they? Can you Jamie, could you
go to that image in the lower right hand
corner, please? That one right there.
That God, I can't get over how pretty
that is.
>> They're so incredible in real life, too.
>> How tall are they?
>> Way tall. I mean, I my head would
probably go halfway up that pillar.
They're twice as tall as me.
>> So immensely heavy. And what kind of
stone is it carved out of?
>> This is a chloritic shist. So it's a
it's called soap stone.
>> So pretty.
>> But there are lathed turn pillars that
are also granite.
>> In in southern India, it's a soap stone.
So when it's uh quarried, it's a little
bit softer and then it hardens once it's
out of the quarry.
>> Has anyone done an analysis of the
geometry in these things? Like how
precise it is and how like I'm I'm
looking at it. If you go to that the one
uh next to it, please. That one. The
Yeah, that one. When I'm looking at the
precision of that and how many different
pieces there are, I I would love to know
how uniform those are because it looks
insane. That looks so beautiful.
>> It's
>> We're looking at uh how do you say that
word? Copeswar.
>> Copwar. Madev. Is that how you say it?
Mahadev.
>> God, that's [clears throat] pretty.
>> It's incredible. And you know, these
sites have crazy energy, too. You walk
into them and you can tell that they
were they were made with a lot of love.
Um, these these pillars, you know, you
can't help but touch them. [laughter]
>> You're allowed to touch them.
>> Yeah, absolutely.
>> Look at that. Like, I would love to know
what the precision of that is.
>> Yeah.
>> Because really, imagine if it's insanely
precise and then you have to explain
that, too. Not just stone chisels and
tools and stuff, but
>> when you can see in the pillars, you can
see where the lathe started at the
bottom and you can see where it stopped
at the top. It's just it's just running.
And you know, a lot of people are like,
"Well, turn it sideways. Is that some
sort of a a soundwave, right? Is it
mimicking? Is it telling us something?"
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I'm glad you point that out. I've seen
that, too. Does that make sense?
>> I think so.
>> Can I say that again, Jamie?
>> Yeah, I was just trying to find out your
question
>> of how precise they are.
>> Oh, here [clears throat] it goes. The
pillars in how do you say it? Suara
Mandap of Copwar Temple are lathe turned
with extremely uniform circular and poly
polygonal profiles
showing high geometric precision and
tight alignment despite being carved
from stone without mortared joints.
>> It says it resembles machine turned
work.
>> Resembles.
>> Yeah,
>> that's cute.
>> Mhm.
>> Isn't it more likely [laughter] that it
was machine turned if it's exactly?
Pillars are laid out with consistent
spacing in the circular hall so that the
open oculus in the ceiling remains
perfectly centered, suggesting careful
radial planning and load distribution.
The temple uses interlocking stone and
gravity rather than mortar. So the
precise fit of the pillars into bases
and beams is critical to stability and
is cited as an example of advanced
medieval Indian stone engineering.
One thing that's interesting when you go
to these temples is you can see where
they have moved these pillars into the
temples. So the core of most of these
temples in my opinion is the original
megalithic part of these temples, the
oldest stuff. But you can see where
these pillars have been moved into new
temples. And so you'll see these crazy
precise dark stones.
>> Says this is a rotating pillar.
>> What?
>> I think it used to rotate. It does not
anymore. I actually saw that pillar.
>> When did it stop? [laughter]
>> I don't know. And maybe that's just a
myth. I have no idea. But you can see
where they they moved these pillars from
original temples or maybe who knows?
Maybe they found a workshop somewhere
with these and they put them in the in
the center of the newer temples. So it's
it's not precise at all. Very crude
stonework above and below them. And then
they have this perfect lathe pillar
right in the middle. What? So what is
the timeline that they attribute to the
construction of these?
>> Oh, you know, 1,200 to,500 AD.
>> And why do they say that?
>> Because the kings that ruled during that
time period wrote inscriptions
>> on the pillars in a lot of instances on
the sides of the temples, things like
that.
>> Yeah.
>> It's it's all inscriptional evidence.
>> I would need more evidence, you know.
>> Right. Well, what's really interesting
I've done a lot
>> That's great. It's graffiti.
>> Yeah. I've [snorts] done a lot of
research in Cambodia and they they date
all of their uh all of their temples
based on inscriptions and when you
actually run these inscriptions through
AI and you translate them, they've all
been translated from Sanskrit to French.
I then translated it from French to
English and when you read what the kings
actually wrote, very seldom do they say,
I king so and so built this. What they
say is I installed a lingum. I brought
a, you know, I brought a a statue to
this temple. And so the archaeologists
make a fairly big jump between what the
kings actually wrote and saying, well,
this king must have built this. So in a
lot of instances, they're actually
putting words into into their mouths.
>> Wow. [snorts] Um, so what is your belief
in terms of the timeline of the
construction of these things?
I mean it in the oldest instances it I I
personally believe that it's pre flood
so you know more than 12,000 years ago.
I think there are some that are probably
older very you know
Peru is I just got back from Peru a
couple of months ago that's fully
unexplainable. You've talked about Peru
on your show many times. Egypt is
incredibly ancient. I actually believe
that India is one of the most ancient
places on earth. Um, and were they were
they different civilizations building
there? What they built suggests that it
probably was. Were they in contact with
each other? I believe they were. You
know, there's enough similarities around
the world that it feels like there was a
communication network between them. But
when you look at the actual building
styles between, take those three
examples, India, Egypt, and Peru,
they're completely different, right? E
Egypt is very just uh just blocks, very
few decorations, especially in places
like the Oyerion. It doesn't it's just
um it almost looks it's like clinical,
you know, but then you're in Peru and
it's playful there. There are these big
pillowy blocks and then you go to India
and there's carvings all over
everything, right? And so I do believe
that there are certain places in this
world that are substantially older and I
believe that for thousands of years
civilizations have been they're
attracted to these places and they build
on top of them and they settle there and
so you just see generation after
generation after generation of building
on top of them.
>> Well, it makes sense when you think
about Kyasa because look how perfect it
is now. And this is thousands of years
after they attribute it to being built
or at least a thousand years.
>> Yeah.
>> And it looks like there's been zero
erosion.
>> Yeah.
>> Now add a few thousand years to that,
it's going to look exactly the same.
>> Yeah.
>> And if you're just generation after
generation like not knowing who built it
and you get a version of uh you know
this king said he did it or this guy
said he did like how add a few thousand
years and it's [ __ ] guesswork.
>> 100%. And to have archaeologists shift
through dirt and find an inscription
somewhere and go, "Oh, we nailed it."
Like,
>> god, that's such a disservice to what
the complexity of the mystery of what
we're looking at is. Yeah.
>> Like just the Kyasa one is. I am
obsessed with that place. I've I've
watched like four or five documentaries
on it and see and we went over it on the
podcast the other day with the CEO of
Perplexity. It's like it's [ __ ]
bananas.
>> Yeah. It's so crazy how precise and one
mistake and you're [ __ ] Y
>> but yet it's all geometrically aligned.
There's they have no idea what they did
with all the stone.
>> Yeah, [laughter]
>> that's the big question, right?
>> That seems so crazy.
>> They removed an entire cliffside
mountain and you know it was it was they
carved it from the top down.
>> Yeah. And put it where would you do it
at all?
>> Good question.
>> That's so much rock. That's not a little
bit of rock. You would think there'd be
some laying around.
>> Yeah. Even after thousands of years,
you'd have like a pile somewhere. Like,
[ __ ] it. Anybody want some free stone?
It's over there. No one's going to take
all the stone. You have [ __ ] millions
and millions of tons of stone. Like,
that's crazy. What' you do with it?
>> You know what I wonder? I wonder I do
feel for archaeologists, right? I mean,
they they go to a site and they're like,
gosh, maybe this feels a little older,
but the only evidence I have are
potshurds that I can date. I can dig
down and I can find cultural layers of
cultures that in my opinion lived there
afterwards. They're dating that and they
see inscriptions and that's the evidence
that they have to make their case. But I
do wonder how many of them are looking
at these sites and saying, "Yeah, this
actually doesn't make a whole lot of
sense."
>> A lot of the young ones,
>> I've talked to them. I've talked to
them. Um I think this the hierarchal the
hierarchal what's the word? hierarchy
the structure of academics and in terms
of these guys that are teaching
university courses and giving out PhDs
and writing books and they have a vast
body of work that's all about the
timeline and all about you know what
they know and they are the gatekeepers
of information
>> and there's a lot of ego involved with
academics I'm sure you know that
>> and they get really shitty with each
other and they're vicious they're
vicious when they attack each other even
if they're wrong like the the whole
Clovis first thing was the best example
of that.
>> The gentleman who proposed this theory
that there were people here older than
the Clovis people was destroyed
>> by by his own peers.
>> And it took years before it was proven
that he was correct. And not only was he
correct, but he was correct by like over
10,000 years. Yeah.
>> Like now they're pushing it past 22,000
years ago because of the footprints they
found in White Sands, New Mexico.
>> Right. The peopleing of the Americas.
>> Yes. Humans have been here a long long
long time. And this is just indicative
of this pattern that happens whenever
anybody comes up with any sort of an
alternative theory that doesn't come
from the gated halls of academia.
They're just dismissed. But but
academics have only been around for a
few hundred years. Like we have to stop
and think about how crazy it is that
we've put the power in these people that
we know are not always accurate nor are
they compromised and they have ego
problems and they have this structure of
the people at the top that are giving
out grants and giving out funding and
giving PhDs and reading people's
dissertations. It's like it's very
social and it's very complex and to
deviate from the narrative is
devastating for your career. Like if if
they can destroy the guy who proposed
that Clovis first was incorrect. That
guy was a an academic. He was
established. Yeah.
>> Imagine if you're a [ __ ] PhD student
and you're like, I think you guys are
wrong. Well, you're [ __ ] forever. You
know, I used to work in corporate
America and there were a lot of things
that I thought that I absolutely never
said. Right? So, if you think about
these young archaeologists, even if they
see something and they think, gosh, I
wish that I could dive into that and
really explore how old this is, they're
going to get shut down immediately and
their self-preservation mechanisms are
going to kick in because they've got a
paycheck. You know, you have to
sympathize with the situation that
they're in.
>> Oh, I do. I completely do. Look, we've
all worked for shitty bosses. It's a
terrible position to be in
>> and especially if your shitty boss is in
charge of the distribution of
>> information about the history of the
human race. That is crazy. That is crazy
to get ego involved in that.
>> I know
>> because when you see like the attacks on
guys like Graham Hancock and all these
people that propose that this data that
we should look at that just like there's
there's a bunch of data that confounds
the timeline like it it [ __ ] it
completely up. Yeah. when Gob Beckley
came along and then everybody was like,
"Okay, we're in a we have a problem. We
have an 11,000 plus year old structure
for sure. It was purposely buried 11,000
plus years ago." So, how old is it? It's
at least 11,000 years old. That doesn't
make any sense cuz timeline of
civilization, it's supposed to be 6,000
years ago. So, now we have immense stone
structures with 3D carvings that are in
concentric circles. That's 5,000 years
older than that. Okay, these are hunter
gatherers. They were just [ __ ] that
in their spare time from killing
antelopes, they decided they were going
to build immense structures on the top
of a hill.
>> Well, and don't you find it interesting
that the dating of Gobeclet has not
opened the door to redating other sites
around the world. So, when you talk
about the stuff in Egypt, nobody's
really open to saying maybe this is
10,000 years old. Should we look again?
>> Right?
>> You know, that that story has been
written. There's been a period on it and
it's been put to bed. Not only that,
there's actual geological evidence. And
this is where Robert Shock came into
play. You know, I have had him on the
podcast before, and I remember watching
that documentary on the mysteries of the
Sphinx, and he proposed that there's
water erosion on the outside of the
Temple of the Sphinx. And he he's taken
photos of that erosion and brought it to
other geologists and said, "What do you
think this is?" And they said, "Well,
that's water erosion." And then he shows
them where it came from. They I don't
want to have nothing to do with this.
>> Yeah.
Just kidding. It's the wind.
>> Crazy. Which is crazy. Imagine the
timeline of human history is so
controversial that you're worried that
it would ruin your career if you spoke
accurately about your field of
expertise, which is erosion and geology
due to rainfall. Thousands of years of
rainfall. Well, thousands of years of
rainfall means at the very least the
Sphinx is 9,000 years old.
>> Yeah.
>> At the very least. But that's probably
way older than that because you have to
have thousands of years of rainfall from
the time that it was constructed
constructed to make these kind of deep
fissures into this stone
>> and it was buried for much of its recent
history which means there was not
erosion taking place the entire time it
was buried.
>> Yeah. It the whole thing's nuts and the
the wind and sand erosion that's an
argument against that right because it
was covered in sand.
>> Yeah. And it, you know, if there was
rain erosion like they're proposing, it
had to have been when there was
rainfall, significant rainfall in the
Nile Valley. And that's way back 9,000
years ago.
>> A long time ago. Yep. And, you know, I
guess it just it breaks my heart a
little bit that this conversation gets
shut down because if you think about
think about 23 and me, right? the the
number of people that have subscriptions
to websites like that because they are
extremely interested in where they came
from and it opens up their world when
they can see four generations back. It
gives them you know people that that
belong to these subscription services
will say I finally have a sense of
belonging. I kind of feel like I know
where I came from. We as a humanity
imagine if we actually knew where we
came from. I think we would feel a lot
less lost. I don't think it's sad. I
think it's funny. I think it's just
another example of just how funny people
are, how we're so weird. We're so full
of [ __ ] and we're we're we're just so
filled with this desire to be correct
and to enforce our narrative that we do
it even with facts that are like
significantly important for the entire
world. And I think it's funny because it
doesn't work because it's only opened
the door to people like you and people
like Derek and people like Graham
Hancock and Ben Van Kirkwick and Jimmy
Corsetti and all these people that Luke
Caverns they just spend enormous amounts
of time making this incredible content.
>> Yeah.
>> Like all the stuff that Luke has done in
the Americas in South America like good
lord there's so many mysteries. Like
explain away Sakai Huan. Explain away
those stones. Help me out. Help me out.
Pe how people with no steel and no heavy
machinery move these things into
position. Move these 20 foot tall
immense stones that are cut like jigsaw
puzzles. It looks like they were melted
into place.
>> Yeah. It looks like a melted marshmallow
stacked on top of a melted marshmallow.
>> It's literally bananas. It makes no
sense. And then you have the weirdness
of these elongated heads that they find
down there. These skulls that are
absolutely real skulls. These are not
hoaxes. They have a 30 20 to 30% larger
brain capacity.
>> Yep.
>> In the skull.
>> I have personally seen elongated skulls
in four different countries.
>> And it's not the same as skulls that
were manipulated to be flattened. That's
what's different. So, what people think
about this, there's a a very well-known
practice where they would take boards
and put them on children's heads to
elongate their heads. The question is
why were they doing that?
And were they trying to emulate
something
>> That's right.
>> that existed, another type of person
that was here. Well, it seems like it.
And it seems like these skulls that they
find, particularly in Peru, the bones
are larger. It's a larger face and they
have a larger brain capacity. And they
don't have that sagittal ridge.
>> Yep. The sagittal suture.
>> Sagittal suture that's down the middle.
>> So, they're literally a different kind
of skull. It's clearly human or some
form of human,
>> but it has more brain volume and it's
built different than us. And everybody's
like,
>> I don't see anything.
>> Nope. They're not like, "Hey, maybe
there was a completely different species
of human that existed along with just
like Dennisovvens, just like Neanderls,
just like all these new ones that they
keep finding fairly recently." Like the
one they found in China, the big-headed
man. What was it? What was that one
called again? Julian's. Homo Julian's.
>> This is like really recent. Like a few
years ago, they found this. Like,
>> okay, we we don't have the picture,
guys. We just don't we don't have the
full We don't have all the data. And
when you have these [ __ ] big skulls
and you're not even bringing that up, it
makes me think like, are you afraid to
look at this? Because then you have to
admit that you really didn't know this
and you were walking around saying
you're an expert in the human timeline.
>> Imagine some of the capabilities of of
these people with that much more brain
volume. Could they speak telepathically?
Could they move stones with their minds,
with sound? Right? We don't know what
they were able to do. If you just unlock
an additional 10% of your brain
capacity, Joe Rogan's brain capacity.
Think of what? Think of all of the
connections you would make. Think about
all of the things you could do that you
can't do now. And now expand your brain
volume by 30%. Exactly like
>> the Bradley Cooper movie. Remember?
>> Yes.
>> Yeah. And he kept the same size head
>> or the movie Lucy with Scarlett
Johansson
just unlocking her full brain. And
suddenly she was moving things
>> with her mind. Right. So, were these
people able to do things that regular
humans couldn't? And that's why they
were emulated throughout history with
cradle headboarding. They were the
elite. They were maybe building some of
these structures. Who knows? And if you
are if you are just an average Joe in
that community, you want to look like
them, right? You all of us do it, right?
>> Especially the elites of the time.
>> Yeah.
>> Especially the humans that you know were
the kings and the pharaohs and all these
different people. They wanted to have
those heads.
>> Mhm. Yep. There were some really
interesting
>> It sounds like we're crazy people,
right? If I just tuned into this, it'd
be like, "Oh, great. Another one of
those [ __ ] Joe Rogan shows where
he's talking to crazy people." But then
you see, Jamie, pull up some of the
images of those skulls. I know we've
shown them a million times.
>> I have a folder with skulls. I can show
you some really interesting ones from
England.
>> Oh.
>> That are on small bodies. So, it they
almost look like fairies. And they have
these giant skulls on these very small
bodies. And it does make you think that
probably had something to do with the
mythology of fairies in in England. This
was at Aberry, which is one of the big
stone circles. When you walk into the
museum there, there are these amazing
anomalous elongated skulls on these very
tiny little bodies.
>> Wow.
>> The other interesting thing about
elongated skulls,
>> are they children?
>> Um, I don't think so. No. There's a
woman named Maria Whitley who writes all
about these skulls that she found that
have been found all over England. Um,
that's Egypt. Yeah, there it is.
>> Yeah. So, this is England.
This is one of the skulls, but this
skull is very small, but if you look at
the shape of it, you know, their their
ears are in a different spot. They have
huge eye sockets. Um, I have another
photo where it's there's one still
attached to a small body. Oh,
look at the size of that head.
>> Isn't [clears throat] that interesting?
>> That's crazy.
>> Now, this one may have been a child. I
don't remember specifically which of
these skulls.
>> Even as a kid, that kid's going to be a
football player. [laughter]
>> He already has a helmet.
>> Kid has a giant head,
>> but it doesn't look right. It doesn't
look right. Even like I have babies,
>> they don't they don't have heads that
big. That's crazy. Even when a baby's
got a big head when they're little and
they're they can barely hold their head
up, it doesn't look like little
bobbleheads.
>> That's crazy. Another really interesting
>> Look how far we I'm sorry, but look how
far it goes behind the spine.
>> And look how flat it is at the bottom in
the back. Yes.
>> I mean, imagine holding that head up.
>> Well, that's the other weird thing about
these um elongated skulls. The the part
of the skull where it connects to the
spine is in a different place.
>> Yes. Which makes sense. Otherwise, you
know, you or I guess you'd probably your
head would fall backwards.
>> Like look at these. Look at these that
don't have that sagittal suture. That
one that's closest to us. That is crazy.
>> Yeah. So, that one's in Peru. I saw that
one a couple months ago. It looks
completely different than the skull
right behind it.
>> Right. It's like a different kind of
person.
>> Yes. Interestingly, in a lot of
>> they have one on the side and they don't
have the one down the middle.
>> Yeah. There's another one that's labeled
Malta and you can see the view of it
from the top and you can see how it
looks completely different than any of
the other. So here's an interesting
thing that I'm not sure you've talked
much about Joe.
>> Brain surgery.
>> The holes in the back of these skulls,
it's trepation. So it was a surgery that
they
>> that they see evidence of in lots and
lots of ancient skulls. And the question
becomes, so if you don't have a sagittal
suture and your brain, you know, we have
the our brain will fuse, right, as we
grow.
>> Sorry, but look at that. What it looks
like, it looks like they used drills.
>> Yeah.
>> Doesn't it?
>> Like they just drilled a circle around
that dude's head.
>> In a lot of instances, these people
survived these surgeries.
[sighs and gasps] The question becomes,
why were they doing it?
>> Whoa, look at that top one. Scoop out
some brain, bro. That's crazy. Maybe
they were trying to relieve pressure.
>> Well, if your brain doesn't have all of
the sutures that ours does and and your
brain is fusing, there are some theories
that suggest that these people were
losing their uh connection with
consciousness. So, they because their
brains were so big, um they, you know, a
lot of telepathy and things like that.
So, if you if you cut a hole in a fused
skull, you still have access, right? It
it allows your allows you I guess more
space in your skull to access what you
use to access.
>> So it's like relieving pressure in some
way. This is the idea why they're doing
this trepation.
>> May I you know I think it's
>> we had a woman on who did trepidation to
herself.
>> Oh my gosh. I've read about her.
>> Yeah. [laughter] Is she still alive?
They were doing labbotoies until pretty
recently. I know like what this is.
[laughter]
>> Yeah. Right. When
>> we knew better.
>> Is she still alive Jamie? I think she
might have passed recently.
>> And and her motivation for that, was it
not for consciousness?
>> Yes.
>> Yeah,
>> she was out there.
>> But isn't it interesting?
>> Lovely lady. Lovely lady, but she was
out there.
>> Yeah.
>> That lady had been on some trips. She
She had been to other dimensions many,
many, many, many times.
>> She passed away about a year ago.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. So, a sweet lady, too. She was so
kind.
>> It begs the question, what was the
motivation for doing that in these
ancient She described it in very glowing
terms.
>> The experience of trepation when she did
she did it to herself. So there's a
photo of her. Isn't there like a is
there a video of her doing it?
>> I know there's photos of the actual
procedure of her drilling a hole in her
head. Like yo,
>> it must be quite a sense of relief,
though.
>> I don't know.
>> Your brain's no longer locked in your
skull.
>> I mean, is that really what it is? I
don't want to find out. But I mean, I
know people that have had to have brain
surgery because they had brain bleeding.
Yeah, there it is.
>> Oh my gosh.
>> They just drilled a hole. Looks like
they use a stick. What the hell?
>> Okay. I think she did it.
>> What is she using?
>> Is she doing it to herself?
>> Yes.
>> No,
>> it's the only way. If you really want to
achieve one with chakras or some [ __ ]
[laughter]
>> you're probably not going to get a
doctor to sign up for that.
>> Jamie, can you find uh there's some
images of those elongated skulls.
There's a few really spectacular ones
that we pulled up the other day and one
of them is like the the sagittal suture
is completely missing and it's it's so
big and you're looking at it like,
"Okay, this is a real skull in a
museum." Like, help me out. Help me out,
anatomy experts. Why does it why does it
not have the features of a normal human
skull? And why is it so big? Like,
>> this seems completely insane.
>> The AI told me why, but I don't know if
that's
>> Yeah, shut it AI.
That's a That's a a bunch of [ __ ]
Archaeologists got an AI and wrote
>> I just thought bad articles
>> when I saw that one with the the little
kid or the small thing with the big back
of the dome.
>> Aren't there or could that be explained
by just like a a random
>> anomaly? Yeah, for sure.
>> Yeah, it depends on how many there are.
But go to the images of those uh those
skulls so we could see that crazy one.
>> I don't know why Google just changed and
there's no longer
>> they don't like you anymore.
>> No, like the whole website has changed.
They hate you.
>> I noticed it yesterday. You can't.
>> Oh, yeah. That is weird. You're being
sabotaged.
>> Oh, because they're trying to get you to
use AI.
>> Yeah, it's all gone.
>> Oh, that's so gross. Just write images.
>> Yeah. See, now now they'll show you.
Okay. So, it's the one on the far left
upper corner. It's right below it.
Sorry. There you go. That's it. That's
the one.
>> Look at the eyes.
>> Yeah. The whole thing is nuts. That the
fact that that is a real skull. It
should freak everyone out. That no one
is that this isn't in the front page of
the New York Times. that this isn't
something that everyone's investigating.
Like, this is not a physical anomaly.
This is a completely different skull.
That's not a regular human skull at all.
The capacity is so much larger. You
cannot explain that by headboarding. You
cannot explain the size of the [ __ ]
eye sockets is crazy. You imagine
looking into something. Who's that one
lady that has crazy big eyes? She's an
actress. Do you know what I'm talking
about, Jamie? She's really pretty. No,
but I've seen this big giant eyes pop
out of their head.
>> I I've seen that, too. But but that's
But they're not that big. The point is
like those eyes would be [ __ ]
enormous. Like if that person was in
front of you and they had skin on with
with those eye sockets and that head,
you'd be like, "Yo, [laughter]
>> you know, I want you to meet my friend
Mike." They'd be like, "What the [ __ ]
That is not what it looks like. That
that drawing that drawing is way too
normal.
>> That head's way bigger than that, too,
by the way.
>> And the eyes are nothing
>> nothing like it. They're not even in the
same place. Like those eyes are in a
different place. Like those eyes those
eyes are in a nutty place.
>> I mean that that image on the right, the
the woman that could be what they looked
like if they were cradle head borders.
>> Yes. And her face looks flattened, too.
Like the whole thing looks which is such
a gross thing that they did to try to
emulate these people.
>> Imagine tying a baby up on a board and
telling it to stay.
>> Look at that. Skull was
>> Look at that one. Uh to the left, Jamie.
Left. Right below that. Yeah, that one.
Look at that one. What the hell is that?
with the trepation.
>> Yeah, but help me out. Tell me that's a
person. Help me out. That is not just an
elongated skull. That's crazy. That's
not
>> I wonder if that's a real photo.
>> I know. Well, almost a potential plaster
even
make this stuff.
>> That is true. That is true. People
>> that came out in Sasquatch organization.
>> Well, that's a reputable source.
>> I don't.
>> They are the best Sasquatch
organization.
>> I try not to judge all of those. I'm
just clicking the photo, but
>> they [snorts] have all the real
information. There's a lot of
misinformation in the Sasquatch
community.
>> Oh, yes.
>> Um, but that is the only place that
shows up. [laughter]
>> Um, there's got to be other ones. Well,
that that one in the middle in the top
on the left. Yeah, right there. Click on
that. Look at those three. Like, come
on.
>> That almost Yeah,
>> it's still the same one. Those all the
same one or these
>> from different angles.
>> Well, the one in the middle looks
different than the one on the left.
>> Definitely.
>> Look at the recreation below, though. At
least his eyes are big. He looked
>> like Okay, that's a good one. That's a
good that's a good representation what
those people those people tell me that
dude can't read your mind
>> dude on the left he comes up to you with
those beads on like
>> I'll do whatever you say
>> you're like okay I guess we're
communicating with the mother ship
[laughter]
>> like look at the size of his head please
go back to that image again
>> hair
>> yeah that's is that real
>> yeah and most of the hair on these
elongated skulls is red
>> oh that's so wild that's so crazy um go
back to that last image please where she
you see the dude like that guy. Imagine
running into that guy at a at a Mayan
temple. You'd be like, "Oh, Christ,
they're real."
>> 100%.
>> Like that's a different kind of person.
>> Like that seems the eyes are [ __ ]
massive. That seems like a totally
different kind of person.
>> Yes.
>> You know,
>> who has very different abilities than
the average human.
>> Yes. I mean, if the brain is what
differentiates us from all the other
intelligent animals on this planet, and
a a human, it looks just like a human
but different, has a brain that much
bigger than ours. What is that?
>> That's a real thing, folks. This is
these We're not making this up. These
[ __ ] skulls are real. That's crazy.
>> Yep.
>> That is crazy that there was a person
like that. The only museum I've been to
in the world that has any sign that
indicates it may have been alien is
Malta. When you walk into the museum in
Malta, it actually has a poster that
talks about the the lack of the sagittal
suture. It has a picture of an alien on
it.
>> Really?
>> Wow.
>> And they leave their skulls out. A lot
of these museums, especially the ones in
southern Peru, they've sort of tucked
them away. They've put them in dark
cases so it's harder to take pictures of
them. You can't. They're not out there
in the open where it's easy to pop
around it.
>> They're probably worried about them
getting stolen, too.
>> That this There's an issue that I've
been informed about with uh ancient
artifacts that there's a whole
underground market where really wealthy
people like want to buy like Egyptian
artifacts. And there's a lot of scandals
involved with a lot of these people that
are in charge of these artifacts where
artifacts go missing and people get rich
and you know they sell books that nobody
buys and all a sudden they have a
mansion, you know. [laughter]
>> Yep. Yep.
>> Yeah. And if you're if you're on a
government salary and you can slip one
of these voses away
>> and sell it, you're going to make a lot
more money than you're going to make in
the working for the government.
>> Not just voses, but even skeletons.
There's evidence of skeletons going
missing. Yep. skeletons they found in a
sarcophagus and then all of a sudden
they said, "Nope, there's no skeleton."
And then there's clearly documentation
that they found a skeleton that leads
back decades ago and then today they're
saying, "No, no skeletons." Like,
>> where's the skeleton?
>> Nothing to see here.
>> Yeah. And some of that that's the weird
thing is like some of these these skulls
that they find, if you could find the
entire skeleton, you would imagine that
is a very big person. These are not
normalsized people. Like whatever the
structure that's, unless they have an
enormous head and a little tiny body, if
they have a proportionate head to their
body, you're looking at a seven, eight
foot tall person. This is a huge head.
>> Yeah. And there's giant lore all over
the world in every ancient civilization.
>> And in [clears throat] the [ __ ]
Bible,
>> I don't believe that that's imaginary.
And I don't believe it's myths. I think
that it's remembering.
>> Yeah, I think it is, too. I I think
there's probably a different version of
people that existed.
And uh I think the real problem is we'll
we're dealing with the fossil record.
And the reality of biological life is
neither you nor I is very likely to
leave behind a fossil. Yep.
>> So a thousand years from now, no one's
going to know who you were and no one's
going to know who I was. And they're
they're not going to be able to tell
from our bones. You're not going to find
them. Yeah.
>> They're going to be absorbed by the
ground and that's a wrap. And in order
to get a fossil, a very specific set of
circumstances has to take place.
>> Yeah.
>> And so, you know, we're lucky that we
have some skulls. We're lucky and
there's, you know, a thousand years old,
2,000 years old, however old they are.
But you get back to 10, 11, 12,000 years
ago, 15,000 years ago, 50,000 years ago.
Good luck.
>> There's nothing left.
>> Good luck. Unless you're finding it in
the perafrost, like in Alaska, like my
friend John Reeves, he has that place,
the Boneyard in Alaska. He's the best.
That's so cool.
>> Love that. That place is crazy.
>> Have you been?
>> No. He keeps trying to get me to go out
there, and I I will eventually. I
promise. But, um, the spot is absolutely
bananas. He's finding all kinds of
insane things out there, including
animals that aren't even supposed to
have existed in that area. So, they're
rewriting the idea of like what was
alive, like what what animals were
alive, different cats and different
bears.
>> Yeah. [sighs]
[gasps]
>> Like, we don't know that much. We're
we're basing like think about all we
know about the dinosaurs. It's amazing
how much work they've done. It's amazing
how many dinosaurs they've documented.
>> But if you look at the amount of
dinosaurs that actually lived over the
>> hundreds of millions of years, hundreds
of millions of years that dinosaurs roam
the earth, there's a tiny tiny tiny
fraction, a tiny fraction of these
dinosaurs that we find that are
fossilized. Yep.
>> Most of them are gone forever, including
who knows how many species that we're
completely unaware of. we have no
evidence of whatsoever. Now, think about
an intelligent species that probably
buried their dead like we do or maybe
even burned them. You know, we don't
know what they did. Or, you know, maybe
they were even more enlightened. They
did the Tibetan sky funeral where they
let themselves get eaten by vultures.
>> You're not going to find anything,
>> right? No, you're you're absolutely
right. I It feels like people should be
just maybe a little bit more open to our
past.
>> I think people are. I think the problem
is some of these, and I say some, it's
only some of these academics.
>> Yeah.
>> There's a lot of people that are
deviating from that now. And again, it's
a lot of young people,
>> you know, like guys like Michael Button,
do you know who he is? He's great. He
went to school, got a degree, and was
like, I think there's more to this, and
I think I could do a better job doing a
YouTube channel where I just research
these things thoroughly and provide you
with a very balanced perspective on how
crazy all this stuff is and how none of
this really makes sense if you use the
conventional timeline.
>> Yep. And people are hungry for that
information.
>> Yeah, I am. It's I'm obsessed. Thank
goodness that the internet has
democratized it so people people like me
can get on there and put a video on and
just see what people think.
>> And you really learn a lot when you see
people like you get attacked, you know,
and people like you Jimmy Corsetti and
all these people like they go after
people so hard
>> and they always take the same lot. They
always take
>> It's always racism.
>> It's racism. Exactly. That's what I was
going to say. Which is so crazy because
no one's attributing the Indian temples
to anything other than Indians,
>> right?
>> Like it's not racist. It's just saying
I'm saying Indians from like a long ass
time ago. It's the same people. They
>> It's something to be even more proud of.
>> Yes. Yeah. It's It's crazy. Like no one
is saying that the people in Peru,
humans in Peru, didn't make that stuff.
No one No one's saying that, right?
>> That's exactly what we're saying. Yep.
>> We're But what we're saying is probably
the people in Peru were incredibly
sophisticated before the flood.
>> Yeah.
>> That's probably what it was.
>> Egypt, it doesn't make any sense that
they're shutting that down. it to extend
your timeline if you're able to to
20,000 years ago. That's twice as much
to be proud of. [laughter]
>> Right.
>> Right. But it's it's just the academics
who have like firmly stamped 2500 BC.
Bam. This is this is what we know and
we're going to stick with it. Yeah.
>> Despite all the hard evidence, like the
geological evidence disputing that is
really weird
>> because like look guys, rain does a very
specific thing to stone over thousands
of years. This is hard evidence
>> right there.
>> Yeah,
>> that's right there. And you don't really
know when it was built. You're just
guessing. But this isn't really much of
a guess. This is actual evidence.
>> Yeah.
>> And for them to not even consider that
and to just dismiss them and just lucky
that guys like Robert Chuck had tenure.
>> And lucky that also that he wasn't an
archaeologist. He's a geologist. And
what are they going to fault him for his
methods, the way he did it, what he
said? No, you can't really because it's
pretty rock solid. We should be leaning
on these geologists and saying, "What do
you see?" and then informing our
theories based on what they're saying.
>> Yeah.
>> Not the other way around.
>> Ben Van Kirkwick has done amazing work
on some of the erosion that's around uh
some of the the the pyramids and some of
the bases of some of the structures
around the pyramid and that it seems
like there's many levels of construction
and that the oldest oldest stuff has a
preposterous amount of erosion. Like
insane amount of erosion.
>> Absolutely.
>> Yeah.
>> Yep. I mean even in so I've spent a lot
of time researching Cambodia.
If you look at the so there are eight
different pyramids in the immediate
[clears throat] anchor watt area and
these pyramids are massive and when you
when you walk up to them you can see how
incredibly ancient they are and the the
dating on these pyramids are you know
900 AD to 1300 AD. So, not very old the
official dating, but when you stare at
the stones, you can see the same thing
you see in Egypt. You see just ancient
weathering patterns down the sides of
them. You can see how the whole site has
been rebuilt and they don't talk about
it, right? So, the entire history of
Cambodia, nobody nobody is open at all
to exploring that it might be older than
800 AD.
>> Let's look at some photos of Ankor Watt
because it's another incredibly bizarre
place. And um when people use the
conventional timeline to date it, it's
not it's amazing and it's beautiful, but
it's not as crazy when you really if if
if you take into consideration that no
one really knows when it was built and
the possibility that it's actually
11,000 years old, 12,000 years old,
maybe even older,
>> it almost kind of makes sense.
Have you done
>> because it would look just like that?
>> Yeah. And the the temples or the towers
inside the core of Ankorwatt, in my
personal opinion, the core of Anchorwad,
it's got three different layers. The
core, I think, is extremely old. It's
got these five central towers. They look
almost melted. So, you can see the five
in the middle. As you move out by each
layer, all of the iconography in
Anchorwatt changes. So in the center
it's all um deities, it's religious
symbolism. As you move out it becomes
war scenes and elephants and battles,
right? So you can see where each
successive culture has built on to the
outside of Anchorwatt.
But the core of it, it it looks
enormously old.
>> And let's get some photos of the core of
it.
>> Have you ever have you ever discussed
the LAR findings around anchor watt?
>> I have not. [clears throat]
Jamie, I have some photos in my Cambodia
folder.
>> Trying to dance the line of looking at
these before I switch over to your
stuff.
>> God, look how beautiful that is.
>> Look how the the trees roots are growed
all around it.
>> Cambodia is one of the most special
places on this earth.
>> Imagine what that was like during its
prime.
>> Oh,
>> that's the Bon Temple.
>> The temple with 218 faces.
Wow.
>> Enormous faces.
>> So, uh, are those is that like those are
clearly different stones brought in.
>> Yeah, they're individual stones
>> to compare to the other stuff we've seen
where it's not that correct.
>> Yeah. Very different. Very different
kind of construction. Yeah.
>> I'll show you the light.
>> Spectacular, but maybe makes more sense
than like Kyasa.
>> In 2012, that's a great photo, Jamie.
>> In 2012, [clears throat]
they did a LAR survey in Cambodia. And
what they discovered in Cambodia
completely shocked the world. So you can
see Ankorwatt in this photo is right in
the middle of that giant moat. There
were huge moundfields all around
Ankorwatt inside this moat and outside
of Anchorwatt. And then if you go south
of it, you can see these giant spiral
embankments. If you just zoom out a tiny
bit, Jamie, do you see those spirals in
the bottom left side of the screen?
>> Mhm. Those are from one side to the
other. They're a mile long.
>> Yeah. So, these are the geometric
features at Anchor Watt.
>> And these are hidden from the nicot.
>> Yes. They're under the jungle canopy.
Nobody knew that these were there until
2012 when the LAR results came out.
>> Holy [ __ ]
>> There are mound fields that are a mile.
This particular moundfield is a mile
long. It's got it's a 10x10 moundfield.
And these mounds are enormous. They're
like 30 feet across. And there's no
explanation at all for what these are.
>> And they didn't even know they existed.
>> They didn't even know they existed. So
this is Anchorwatt from the air. Very,
very interesting. That western beret
where you see, that's a man-made, it's
the largest hand cut reservoir on Earth.
It's 8 kilometers long and 2 km wide. So
you can see the old CMRE International
Airport just south of it. That's the
size of this thing. It is enormous. The
official archaeological story of these
berets is that they were uh hand dug and
that they were used to water rice.
[laughter]
There's one on the left side. That's a
western beret. There's an equally large
one on the east side. So there are two
of them that are 8 kilometers long on
each side. two kilometers wide. Just an
enormous volume of dirt would have had
to have been removed to create these.
And there's no discussion at all about
what they were for, how they were made.
They're just attributed to different
kings based on inscriptions found in the
corners of these sites.
So, if you want to talk about mysteries,
in my humble opinion, Cambodia is one of
the most mysterious places on Earth.
What did they how old do they think this
reservoir is?
>> Uh like 900 AD. So not old at all. And
there's no explanation for how it was
done. Just to excavate the western beret
is the equivalent of 53 Giza sized
pyramids of dirt moved out of it. So
this is it today. You can see there's a
temple in the middle of it.
>> That's so big. That's so crazy that they
they supposedly dug that out by hand.
>> You can see this from space. NASA's
taking photos of it before.
>> There's no explanation for for what they
were doing there.
>> What is the images of the pyramids up in
the corner?
>> That's the 50. Yeah, that's the
equivalent. So 138 million cubic meters
of dirt to dig that out.
>> How deep is it?
>> It's, you know, five or 10 meters deep.
Um, and I I believe that they, you know,
they dug out the inside and then they
built these large walls, you know,
retaining walls on the outside. So, I
don't think that there's huge piles of
dirt somewhere. I think that's, you
know, it was just deepened and then they
built the walls around them to retain
them. But there's a lot of really uh
interesting complex things going on with
these berets.
>> Uh, this reminds me of I'd had
Perplexity dig up something on the Kiosa
Temple.
>> Yeah.
>> Uh, let me find it here. it
>> I was it was just going into like um is
the ability of what do you know how many
people they thought made it I guess I'll
ask you that first do you know how they
the conventional method they said 250
people made it over five and a half
years
[laughter]
>> the problem with that is uh it started
to
>> I like to hire those dudes [laughter]
>> it started to tell me like that's kind
of like okay but then it started to get
I was like actually the hardest part
with this is going to be removing all of
that rock.
>> Yeah.
>> Like where not they couldn't didn't say
like where is it but it just was going
into the math. This is all the the
perplexity did. It's all this math on
um
>> this is Kyasa.
>> Yeah.
>> The amount of stone that can be removed
every day.
>> And it just it [clears throat] would
have taken it is even just the 250
people is a fourth of the potential uh
the number they tried to destroy it with
for three years. [laughter]
And it has the same tools. I guess they
just said it had some sort of metal.
This says five and a half years.
>> They tried to destroy it for three
years. Just quit.
>> Really frustrating. Three years.
>> A thousand guys tried to destroy it for
3 years. You imagine that. [laughter]
>> That is crazy.
>> It was 100 and it's just exaggerated,
you know? They couldn't do anything.
>> That's really crazy.
>> Some you know how mad that king was.
He's like, just destroy it. [laughter]
>> Imagine what a dick he must have been.
>> Oh, yeah. to want to destroy that.
[clears throat] That's the problem with
kings.
>> It's the problem with kings.
>> Good lord, that's wild.
>> So, yeah, [clears throat] the c Cambodia
is incredibly mysterious and nobody
talks about Cambodia.
>> Would you like some coffee?
>> Um, sure. Thank you. You're
>> welcome. So, how did you get involved in
Cambodia? How did you uh What was the
first thing that you looked at?
>> I went there for the first time three
years ago. Um, it was a quick stopover.
We were getting ready to uh hike the
Sandong Cave in Vietnam, you know, the
largest cave in the world.
>> I saw that on 60 Minutes.
>> Yeah. So, we we had that trip planned
and I said, "Well, Cambodia is right
next door. Maybe we should just pop over
there for a week." So, we did. And, you
know, walking on these sites, it's the
same thing I was talking about earlier.
You I like to hire local guides just to
hear what's the story that that they're
telling you, what is the official
history? And the story that they told me
just it doesn't match what you see with
your own eyes. Right? So they say that
the earliest civilizations there built
in brick and then they built with stone.
Over time they developed the ability to
build with stone. But all of the brick
is on top of the stone. It's on top of
these massive pyramids, right? So it
doesn't it doesn't make sense that the
oldest stuff is at the top. So I started
sort of questioning the history of
Cambodia. I got into these LAR results
which are really fascinating. I mean
they discovered entire unknown cities in
Cambodia with LAR. So on top of the
Cooland Mountains which is the plateau
where they uh quarry all of the stone
for anchor wad all the sandstone there
was an entire massive city on top of
that plateau that they had no idea was
there. There were pyramids there were uh
2,000 acre reservoirs. There were mound
fields, there were, you know, massive
causeways, and it was all just hidden
under the uh the trees, the jungle. So,
it's, you know, in 2012, sort of the cat
was out of the bag in Cambodia. And
what's interesting is it should have
made international headlines. You know,
these spiral embankments that are a mile
long on the south side of Ankorwatt,
nobody knows what they are. Nobody has a
good explanation for what they are.
archaeologists say, you know, maybe it
was a garden feature, maybe it was
fishing. And in my mind, you don't build
milelong earthn embankments in a shape
of a perfect spiral unless you have a
very specific reason for doing that.
>> What do you think that reason was?
>> I don't know. I, you know, I'm starting
to put together a theory about I I think
it all had to do with water. They were
channeling water down from the Cooland
Mountains, which is about 50 miles away
from Ankor Watt. They were channeling
water down, building 16 kilometer
diversion channels, taking the water way
out of the way, running them through
moundfields into these giant reservoirs.
All of these reservoirs have pyramids
connected to them.
And it's one system after another of
reservoirs with temples in the middle,
pyramids connected to the outside. It
feels like a massive industrial
undertaking and I've gone back and
forth. Does it have to do with energy?
Possibly. I personally think it had
something to do with
how they were treating the water. Like
if they could um if they could get it
structured maybe right so that it was
better for plants, better for people,
better for animals, better for
consciousness. There was a massive
undertaking happening there that um that
just isn't addressed at all by
archaeologists. Nobody's tying together
these different systems and saying,
"Gosh, that was a monumental
undertaking. I wonder what they were
doing that for. It's all just rice
farming is the official story."
>> Can you show me that lidar image again?
>> I'm looking for There's I'm looking for
more. I keep running into just the
scientific papers about it.
>> They have the LAR images locked away.
Yeah, they've done a bunch of studies on
this and there's some cool photos, but
I'm trying to find like, you know,
>> Can you go back to the ones that we were
just looking at though that she provided
because I want to see the um the the
patterns.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. That
>> Okay, that perfect. Like, so those
features are weird.
>> That's really weird.
>> They're huge. They're a mile long and
half a mile wide. Like that yellow
square.
>> And they're symmetrical.
>> And they're perfectly symmetrical.
And this isn't the only place in
Cambodia that has these.
>> And so we're probably looking at an
intensely sophisticated civilization.
>> Yes, absolutely. I mean, the the moat
you see dug in the middle of that
structure that was built built during
the Camar period, which is the
civilization that all of this is being
attributed to. They're the ones that dug
that through the middle. So, I don't
even think they knew that this was here.
It was just completely covered.
>> Yeah, they they just dug right through
the middle of it.
>> And so this is probably really really
old. And people have lived in that same
place. Look how crazy that looks.
>> That's almost crazy.
>> Every inch of ancient Cambodia is
engineered.
There's a there's a site called Karee.
It's about 200 miles northeast of
Ankorwat.
They discovered a 7 kilometer long
man-made dam that created a 2,000 acre
reservoir.
>> Look at that image.
>> That's hers.
>> Yeah. They they didn't know that this
was there.
>> That's crazy.
>> I was on a tour with Derek Olsen um last
last November and we actually took the
tour group out to the corner of
Ankorwatt and walked those mounds. And
what's interesting is when you're out
there, you actually can't tell that the
mounds are there until you're kind of on
top of them. And then you look around
and you're like, "Wow, I'm feet above
the rest of the landscape." And then you
kind of keep walking because these
things are 30 feet across. So you keep
walking and then suddenly you're at the
bottom of the landscape. So I don't
think that they knew it was there.
>> Wow. It's so big that without light art,
you're really not going to get an
understanding.
>> So what it is that picture um Yeah.
Yeah. So, there's a good example of the
jungle canopy being kind of stripped
away. This is what it looks like from
the air.
>> Wow.
>> Without light.
>> Wow. So, there's no way you would know.
>> No.
>> Wow.
>> Entire cities, 7 km long dams, huge
reservoirs. They didn't know about any
of this until LAR came out.
>> That's incredible.
>> Also, look how the trees are just
growing back in.
>> That's so dope.
>> Look how awesome those roots look.
>> Yeah, that's the Laura Croft Temple.
It's called Tapron. Oh, really? Yeah.
She filmed. Laura Croft was filmed at
this temple. [laughter]
>> For real? For real? They actually let
her film there. That movie. Yeah.
>> Wow.
>> Pretty dope.
>> Yeah.
>> Tourists love it.
>> That tree just overcoming the building's
amazing.
>> They have their hands full in Cambodia
with preserving these temples because
the jungle's actively tearing it down.
>> Yeah. It looks like the jungle's trying
to consume it with that tree.
>> Absolutely.
>> Like eventually it will. Yep.
Eventually, if more trees grow like
that, it'll break down all the stone
underneath it.
>> The the structures I believe are older,
like the pyramids, they're a little bit
more impermeable to these kinds of
things. The newer temples, like the one
you see on the screen, they just get
ripped down. You know, it's it's a
little bit inferior construction. So,
it's newer. Obviously, I think the Camar
actually built those. And so, those just
get ripped down immediately by trees.
But the really old stuff, the the
pyramids, if you see photos when they
excavated it in like the 1920s, they
were fully intact. You
>> you were talking about the center of it
that it's different that it looks older.
Is there any clear images of like what
that looks like?
>> Um if you of the pyramids or of Ankor
Watt
>> Ankor Watt,
>> the center
>> I don't think I have photos in that
folder, but you can um if you
>> because you were talking about the
difference between the iconography.
Yeah, if you search the just the central
towers of Anchor Watt, you're probably
going to find images of that. The the
central it's so it's three layers that
get higher and higher as you get toward
the middle of Ankorwatt. And in the
middle of it, it's very it's just it's
carvings that just blow your mind. And
they're all um they're all spiritual in
nature, which is something you see all
over the world. So in India where I just
was it was the same thing. The older
structures it's spiritual imagery and
then as you move out to the newer
structures it's all war scenes you know
you can see the deevolution of human
consciousness. Yeah. So these are from
the center of anchor watt. It's deities
you know it's it's beautiful 3D
carvings. You can stick gum wrappers
through these. So they're they're fully
enclosed. You can stick a gum wrapper
behind these stones.
>> Whoa.
God, it's so pretty.
>> It's so beautiful.
>> And this is all this. So, it's that's so
interesting that
the people that probably built it first
had
>> no interest in war.
>> No interest in war or at least had a
very enlightened perspective. It does
support, you know, the idea of I know
you've talked about the Yuga cycles on
this show, but the idea of the of human
consciousness having reached its peak
12,000 years ago and has just been
slowly devolving ever since. You can see
that in the imagery in some of these
temples, plain as day. So, yeah, there's
a lot of images of, you know, war scenes
on the outer
like all of the outer layers of Ankor
Wat, but in the middle it's totally
different. Same in India.
[sighs]
>> Now, does anybody have an an idea like
does anybody have a compelling theory as
to when these were made
that like is backed by any kind of
evidence or
>> No. No. I mean, you can look at carbon
dating um and you can poke holes in the
carbon dating all day long. So, they'll
carbonate wood samples. You know, these
are made of stone. You can't date stone.
Mhm.
>> There's there's reconstructions that
have happened on all these sites that
are brick and then there's going to be
there's wood um doorways that are put in
and they've carbonated the wood and the
wood in a lot of instances is coming
back older than the accepted date of the
temple construction in general which is
a little bit problematic. So like
there's a a pyramid called Bong which is
the oldest accepted pyramid in Cambodia.
That one's dated to um like 800 AD. the
wood samples in the repaired sections of
Bong are from the 600s. And they say,
well, that's generally the same, you
know, and and so you have to ask
yourself if they were reconstructing and
rebuilding these sites, say they were
doing that during the Cimera times, they
were using bricks and they were using
wood to repair these sites. They were
doing that in 600 AD. So, how old is the
pyramid itself that they, you know, they
came there and they repaired the
pyramid. How old is that core structure?
>> Yeah. And to assume that it's the same
age is crazy.
>> It's crazy.
>> Yeah.
>> And and it's a bit of a circular
argument because they they date a temple
based on an inscription and then they
look at other temples that don't have
inscriptions and they say, "Well, this
one looks a lot like this one." So they
they place it in the same time period.
So it just becomes this big circular
logic of all of it fits the story
neatly, you know, based on one
inscription.
>> That seems so silly.
>> Yeah,
>> it really it just doesn't make sense. It
seems much more likely that there's a
giant mystery.
>> Yes.
>> Yeah. And especially when you look at
the difference in the artwork and the
way it looks. Will you show me, Jamie?
>> Uh this they say they had this one took
300,000 workers approximately 30 years
and they never finished.
>> Anchorwatt.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> And this says they also started at
around 116
116 CE.
>> Yeah.
It doesn't make any sense.
So, I was I was recently in India a
couple weeks ago and I saw something
there that was the most impressive thing
I've seen with my own two two eyes. It's
called the Bahub Bali statue. I have
photos in the India folder. It's a
thousand tons.
So, it's as big as the biggest destroyed
structures or the biggest destroyed um
statues in Egypt, but it's still
standing. It's in India. It's on top of
a mountain. It's made of granite. That's
a person.
>> Whoa.
>> At the bottom of it.
>> Holy [ __ ]
[snorts]
>> It's made of white granite. There's, you
know, the jury's out on whether it was
moved there, built somewhere else and
moved there, or whether this was built
at the top of the hill from living
stone. But in my mind, this thing is
clearly machined.
It's absolutely perfect. Those ears are
five and a half ft long.
>> Wow.
Look at the lips and the fingernails and
everything. Look how crazy the precision
is.
>> It's perfect.
Look at the head. So, these are all
photos I took while I was there. It
stands, you know, it's 60 feet tall.
It's a thousand tons. So, it's the
largest standing statue on Earth
from ancient times.
>> And where's the stone supposedly coming
from?
>> Well, you know, this the story is and I
actually think I believe it. It the
whole mountain is granite. And so, in
order for this thing, so that's just it
poking out above the temple that's built
around it.
>> That's mad.
>> It's insane. that you know the story is
that basically it was
>> look at the leaves on his arm
>> that they built it out of living stone
that it's still connected to the
mountain and it kind of looks like that
when you walk around it. You can see
this rough stone at the bottom but it it
looks very different than the stone from
the mountain itself. So this is a white
granite. Yeah. So you can see how it
almost looks like living stone.
>> Mhm. And I can't imagine how you could
have erected that and moved it to the
top of this mountain. Um, so I
personally believe that it was it was
found, you know, it was built there and
a large stone that was there and they
just went in and chiseled the statue out
of it.
>> Yep. It represents Bahubali, which was
the it's a Jane statue. Um, and Bahubali
was a man who achieved enlightenment by
standing still for a full year. So the
ant in Cobra Hills at the bottom and
then the vines grew up around him.
>> Oh.
>> So he is the picture of enlightenment.
>> Whoa.
>> So just just look at that image. It
how was that built? I sat in front of
this thing for two hours
just entranced by it. And the beautiful
thing about this the temples in India is
they are all living temples. So, they're
actively being taken care of by the
community. They're active places of
worship. They're not off in the jungle
breaking down. They're being taken care
of. Um, and you know, this looks like it
was carved yesterday.
>> And what timeline is this attributed to?
>> About 980 AD.
>> And why do they think that?
>> Because of those very unsophisticated
inscriptions at the base of it.
>> Can I see those inscriptions?
>> Yeah. Right there.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. They're not so sophisticated. They
look really shitty.
>> So, they carved those around the base
and they said, "I built this."
>> Look how clunky those inscriptions are.
>> This paragraph here on this thing I
showed you about hangar watt.
>> Mhm.
>> Shines a little light onto that.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. It says like I'll let you read it.
>> Uh, building buildings of temples by the
Chimera kings was a means of
legitimizing their claim to political
office and also to lay claim to the
protection and powers of the gods. Hindu
temples are not a place of religious
congregation. instead their homes of the
god. In order for a king to lay claim to
his political office, he had to prove
that the gods did not support his
predecessors or his enemies. To this
end, the king had to build the grandest
temple palace for the gods, one that
proved to be more lavish than any
previous temples. In doing so, the king
could make his make visible his ability
to harness the energy and resources to
construct the temple and assert that his
temple was the only place that a god
would consider residing in on earth.
Interestingly, in Cambodia, all of the
pyramids were the first structures
claimed by the kings.
So, the first king built the first
pyramid, the second king built the
second pyramid. So, what I think they
were doing is they were going into this
landscape and they were finding these
incredibly sophisticated pyramids and
just like that paragraph suggests, they
said, "Well, this is the coolest thing I
can find around." and they wrote their
name on it, you know. And then once all
the pyramids were taken, then they
started claiming the berets. They
started claiming the really nice
temples. Like there's a temple called
Bantier S, which is a red sandstone
temple. It's beautiful. It's one of the
coolest places I've ever been. You know,
they they claimed all of these places
first. So all of the coolest stuff in
Cambodia is the oldest. And then once
everything was claimed, then they
started building new ones like that
Bayon temple that you saw with the faces
and the smaller stones.
Um, so that's what I think happened in
Cambodia.
>> Jamie, can you go back once again to
that giant statue and the inscriptions
on it?
Those inscriptions are weird cuz it's so
shitty.
>> Yeah.
>> Like look how bad the lines are, how
squiggly they are and broken up.
>> And there's another photo in there of
the rest of the inscriptions. They're
even worse. I mean, these are actually
very nice compared to the ones that are,
>> but not when you consider the grandness
of the actual statue itself. The statue
is so spectacular.
>> Yeah. I mean, look how they wrote it.
Just up any space that they could find,
they they wrote their name there,
>> but it looks entirely different than the
rest of the statue.
>> It looks super clunky.
>> Yeah.
>> Like, it really does. It It's It's a
stark contrast.
>> The toe on this statue is 3 feet long.
[laughter]
>> The ear is larger than most humans.
>> That's so crazy. Like, looking at it is
so It's so
>> Isn't it incredible? Imagine the time
that it would take to make something
like this with chisels.
>> Yes. [snorts] And there was nothing else
made like it.
>> Not only that, like what are we talking
about in terms of metal urgy back then?
>> Oh, hammers and chisels.
>> Yeah. Well, did they even have iron?
>> Yeah, they did.
>> They they had iron. So, they had iron
chisels.
>> And this is again, was it 900?
>> 900 AD.
>> God.
>> And it's almost perfectly symmetrical.
>> And you think it looks machined?
>> I do. It looks very similar to the
Egyptian statues. I have some
sideby-side photos in the folder of
>> Can you focus on the neck, Jamie? Go
back to the neck because one of the
things that was crazy about when you saw
the image of the neck. Like look at the
lines.
>> I know.
>> Like what is that?
>> There's lines similar lines like that on
the large statues in Cambodia. And
there's similar lines like that on the
large statues in Egypt.
>> This only reminds me of Mount Rushmore.
Didn't we make that by hand or no? I
don't know.
>> I think they use dynamite.
>> I'm just kid that's the only thing in my
head I can think of. [snorts] No, that's
true. Mount Rushmore is immense.
>> And this is white granite. So, this is
an extremely hard stone.
>> What was Mount Rushmore made?
>> I don't I don't have to look. I just was
thinking of it. It's like we made that,
you know, thousand years later.
>> That is true. That is true.
>> But we did that with machines. They had
machines back then.
>> Yeah.
>> I mean, they had jackhammers. They had
all kinds of stuff back then
>> when these were civilizations that were
at war, but somehow they found the time
to to carve this.
>> I just I'm I'm wondering what those
lines in the neck are supposed to
represent. But the statue is so
beautiful.
>> Isn't it amazing?
>> God, it's so incredible.
>> Maybe they were going to make something
and stopped.
>> You know how dope that would be if that
was in your backyard? I'd never get
anything done.
>> You can see this thing from 50 miles
away.
>> It's up on top of a mountain and it's at
the peak of the mountain. So from 50
miles in each direction, you can see
this massive statue just staring
serenely.
>> So if you It's
>> It's a
Gowara Bali Bali statue of No. So
there's a couple of different ones. This
one's the best one. So that's the third
picture to the right.
>> The one in the middle. Yeah.
>> So yeah, that's a drone photo of it when
I was
crazy.
>> It's crazy. And it's the largest ancient
stat standing statue in the world and
very few people talk about this thing.
>> I've never even heard of it until today.
>> Yep.
>> Wow. So that was probably just a big ass
rock that was there and they chipped
away everything to make that.
>> I mean there's two there's two options.
One, maybe it was a big rock, but look
how much would have had to have been
reduced. And look at the stones to the
right. You can see how different they
look than the statue itself.
>> Do you think it's possible that stone
was moved there?
>> I think it's possible it was moved
there. Not with any technology we
recognize today. But I think it's
absolutely possible. It would have had
to have been taken to the top of this
mountain, which is like 650 ft high, and
stood up. [laughter]
But even if it wasn't even if it wasn't
even it was a standalone boulder like
the ones you see below it
>> that's still an extraordinary feat
>> to carve that thing in almost perfect
symmetry in a way that looks very very
machined.
>> That is bananas.
>> Yeah. So you you climb the mountain.
It's like 650 steps. You have to do it
barefoot because it's a active temple.
On the way down it got real hot.
>> Oh, you can't even wear socks.
>> You can wear socks, but it's slippery.
>> Oh, so
>> gotta wear them grippy socks. [laughter]
>> I didn't think of that.
>> Yeah. Well, like uh for Pilates.
[laughter]
>> Yeah.
>> Wow.
>> It's a It's an amazing place. And it's
still it the beautiful thing about it is
it's still just revered as a holy site.
So people the James take pilgrimages
there. Every 12 years they have these
major ceremonies where they uh they pour
milk and honey and things like that over
the top of it. They build a big
scaffolding. So they'll climb up to its
head and pour pour these libations over
the top of it. And it's it's just being
continuously worshiped. And when you sit
up there to get a little bit spiritual
for you, you feel different. You feel
like you're being healed. Like we had a
plane to catch and I didn't want to
leave. We sat in front of that. It was
my brother and I and we sat in front of
it for as many hours as we could before
we had to go catch our plane.
>> Wow.
Wow.
What was going on back then? That's
>> this is the real big question. Like
>> what was the height of sophisticated
civilization
10,000 12,000 years ago? What was it
really like? And how much information
did we lose because of the flood?
>> Yeah. What what's interesting is if you
look at Jane mythology, so they talk
about these great half cycles that are
an incalculable number of years and
they're they're called turf and caras.
So they're like the kings the the um
they're not kings, they're like the
enlightened ones of the period. The
first turara was Bali was the son of
that uh enlightened being. He was
described as being over a mile tall,
fully enlightened, right? He was
described as millions of years old. And
these are their myths that go back to an
incalculable amount of time. And that's
just in this half cycle. So that they
just describe these major cycles of
time. And this the images that they're
building at the top of these mountains
are of these enlightened beings that are
part of these like ancient myths.
>> Geez.
you know, when you go into their ancient
uh scriptures and you you read about
things like vimmanas, like the flying
crafts and
>> you know, and
>> we were talking the other day about they
had some sort of a description that
seems to sound like a nuclear bomb
>> and you had to use it for very specific
reasons and you had to get authority to
use it and
>> Yeah. Even do you know what a Shiva
lingum is? No
>> um in my Cambodia f folder there's a
some photos of it. So in most of the
Indian temples there's a Shiva lingum
that's usually described as a uh you
know it's a it's a male component inside
a female component. So it's meant to
represent both sides of the polarities.
Um and they're they're at the entrance
of most of these temples and they're
small. They're maybe like two or three
feet long. But in Cambodia there are
giant Shiva lingums. There are ones that
are you know probably almost 20 feet
long and you can you can see those at
sites like Karee you can see them at the
top of [snorts] Panbach mountain which
is right by one of the big berets. Um in
India the Shivalinghams are even bigger.
If you go to the ancient texts and they
talk about these things they describe
them as infinite pillars of light and
fire.
So are these Shivaingum these giant
Shivalingums
actually they're not? I don't believe
that they're what we say they are today.
I think that they were extremely
powerful.
Maybe a maybe a weapon. I don't think
so. Maybe an energy device. But if you
look at modernday stonework and then you
tie it into the old myths, you know, it
that's when it becomes really really
interesting to me. Yeah. So that
shaveingum that the the man is standing
on in the top right photo, that's at
Hampy in India. Um, these are always
surrounded by water. They're always in
roofless shrines.
This, you know, very megalithic temples.
The one in the bottom right, that's not
AI. That's a real photo of these
chivaling.
It's, that one's 40t high originally in
a roofless temple
by large bodies of water. Were these
actually I mean I think that these were
all something very different than what
we're being told today which is just you
know a a spiritual carving.
>> So you think this has something to do
with energy and that's why they're
surrounded by water?
>> Yeah. I mean in the ancient texts
they're described as an infinite
pillar of light and fire. That's what a
normal Shiva lingum looks like that you
see all over the temples
>> right which is just like a beautiful
fountain. a very small version of of
these monumental ones that you can find
in Cambodia and India.
>> Very phallic looking.
>> Yep.
>> Yes.
>> Yeah. Um so go back to the big ones.
>> An infinite source of light.
>> Infinite pillar of fire and light.
>> That's what they were described as.
>> Yes.
>> What the hell is that?
>> Like what
>> what were they doing with these things?
They always face north. They're always
in a roofless temple. They always have
major water features next to them.
>> Is that how they made power? Maybe if
powery
implying electricity or something
>> or something some kind of power.
>> The myth suggests that there was
something going on there.
>> Well, this is the the question that I
always have when you know we when we
think about technology we always think
about in the context of what we
understand currently. Yeah. And if you
think of human beings, the way we've
progressed to get to where we are now is
through internal combustion engines and
transistors and all these different
technologies that we're available that
that we that we have right now. We
there could have been completely
different direction that they went in
and achieved similar or more spectacular
sophistication in this different
direction.
>> Yes. And the idea that this is the only
way to go is kind of crazy.
>> Yeah. It doesn't have to be mechanical,
>> especially when this is a fairly sick
society in terms of our value system and
you know what we you know we're we're a
mess like objectively.
>> Yes. Mentally, physically we're as sick
as we've ever been. It's the only reason
our lifespan is increasing is because
we've overcome it with technology.
>> Yeah.
>> Right. Right.
>> We're as sick as we've ever been. As
unhappy as we've ever been. I think
that's part of the reason that
the powers that be don't want us talking
about golden ages, right? So if if you
can convince civilization that if you
can convince today's society that we are
the best we've ever been, life is as
good as it's ever been,
that's much more palatable than we are
as sick as we've ever been, we're as
unhappy as we've ever Do you think that
people are actively
trying to enforce that narrative because
of that or do you think they're just
reinforcing their own current beliefs?
>> I think a little of both.
>> I don't think they know. I I think
there's a lot of these people that are
these um
that are conventional archaeologists,
conventional timeline proponents. I
don't think they really study at all. I
don't think they do. I think they try to
discredit some things and they do it
very disingenuously. Like some of the
people that have gone after Graham
Hancock, they the things they say are
really kind of crazy, but I don't I
think they're doing it because they're
trying to reinforce their own closely
held beliefs and this gatekeeping of
information being the person that's the
expert. You know, this appeal to
expertise in an area where you have very
little data. Yeah.
>> It's like you really can't be an expert
in something that you, you know,
especially like timelines of stone. Like
how how do you know? You don't really
know, right? You don't know. Okay. So,
let's go from there.
>> We don't know. That's an okay thing to
say. Yeah.
>> Or I'm open to the possibilities. I
don't think they're trying to promote it
because they think that we want to
establish that, you know, human beings
today are sick and let's let's not pay
attention to an enlightened golden age
when people were different and they were
concentrating much more on the spiritual
aspects of human life and they they had
deities that were
>> spectacular and they had technology that
was above and beyond. I think I I think
they're just not willing to entertain
it, you know. You know, I think and I
again I think that's like what they say
about science that science moves on and
progresses one funeral at a time.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. I think that's the case with
archaeology as well. I think there's a
lot of these people that just they have
to go away.
>> And then the new people coming up, a lot
of them are watching YouTube, you know,
a lot of them are reading these papers.
A lot of them are looking at the work of
uh Fleo Beyond that's underneath the
pyramids and they're going, "Hey,
>> explain that."
>> Yeah. because you really can't, you
know, and they're try to dismiss it so
hard, but that technology is like if you
are trust the science like you got to
trust the science and that technology is
proven that not only that they use that
technology to accurately get the
dimensions of things like that particle
collider that's 1.2 kilometers into a
mountain.
>> Yeah. So if they have that and they can
use that on a known specific structure,
they know the dimensions of it and then
they get a reading that's the exact
dimensions of that specific structure.
It's because technology works.
>> Yeah.
>> Right.
>> But they don't want to even entertain it
because it's too crazy. Like if what
he's saying about what's underneath the
pyramids is correct, the whole
timeline's gone. Like everything's gone.
Like it's like, okay.
>> Yep.
>> We don't know [ __ ]
>> You know, he just basically announced
that he discovered a second sphinx. And
if you if you look at the layout of the
Giza plateau, it actually makes sense
that a second sphinx would be there. The
structures under the pyramid are very
difficult to prove out because you have
to dig or excavate under the pyramid to
do that. The second sphinx is if it's
there is simply buried by a pile of
sand. So that would be a very easy thing
to dig out and to prove yes, Filipo
Beyond is his technology is showing
something that's actually there. What
does the second sphinx look like in the
images?
>> He just had a a conference in Italy and
his translated version of his talk at
this conference just came out I think
yesterday or the day before and he shows
all of these all of these scans that
he's done from space. Um, and he he kind
of puts them together and shows the
shape of the structure that I'm seeing
under the ground looks a whole lot a
whole lot like the existing Sphinx. And
he actually used AI and ran
probabilities against his scans. And so
he went to Grock and Google Gemini and
all of the different AIs and and
effectively said, if you look at my
data, what do what do you think the odds
are of a sphinx being under the sand?
and AI came back in almost every
instance higher than 80% probability
that it is a sphinx based on the data
that he's showing.
>> Wow,
>> that would be incredible.
>> That seems easy.
>> And like I said, all you have to do is
so when they when they excavated the
tombs that are right next to where
Beyond believes the Sphinx is, they took
all of the sand from those and piled it
directly on top of the Sphinx, not
knowing it was there. And so you just
need to move this sand out of the way
and dig down and you can prove what he's
whether it's there or not.
>> Haven't people disputed that though?
Like aren't there some photos where that
mound didn't exist from like the 1930s
or something?
>> Yeah. So that's when they excavated
those tombs. They took that that sand
and they piled it there. So, initially
when Beyond talked about this, like on
Matt Bell's podcast, when he announced
this, people came out immediately and
said what he thinks he's seeing is
actually a modern pile of of soil. But
what he's showing is is below that in
his scans. So, I I think it's a big
opportunity for the people in Egypt to
go out, do a little mission, dig down,
see what's there, and you can prove, you
know. Yes. So the dream stella it all of
these a lot of these different
traditions talk about two sphinxes and
the geometry from the air you can see
where he believes he found the sphinx
you know geometrically it looks very
similar to where the first sphinx was
found in relation to the different
pyramids.
>> Whoa. [clears throat]
>> So yeah. So you know I think it's
>> go back to that
>> just just talking about it.
>> I know but they say it's false. Well,
>> I love how they say that viral claims of
second buried sphinx at Giza are false.
Archaeologists say it was
>> Well, how do you know if you didn't dig?
>> Yeah.
>> How do you know?
>> And again,
>> also the sphinx was buried. This is like
what's really important. Like when
Napoleon found it, it was burnt. Buried,
>> right?
>> So that was what year was that?
>> I don't know.
>> What year is Napoleon? 17s.
>> 1700s.
>> Was I could see the head though, right?
>> Yeah, that's it. Just the head. Yeah. So
if the entire sphinx Yeah. If the entire
sphinx is varied, I guess my point is
like
>> it's very hard to prove his claims of
what's under the pyramids because that's
a
>> look there's a picture of
>> that's a real excavation [laughter]
>> in color.
>> So I mean you could easily see giving uh
a different geographic layout, you know,
different topographical layout that if
the whole body could be covered. Well,
if you're in a different place and the
sand comes in in a different way and it
piles up even higher.
>> It's on the west side of the Giza
Plateau, the current Sphinx is on the
east side and then you have the two
pyramids in the middle.
>> So, it is possible that sand could have
just covered that over thousands and
thousands of years.
>> Absolutely. And it would be easy to
prove that it's there
>> or that it's not
>> or that it's not
>> or that Beyond is full of [ __ ]
>> Yeah.
>> Or maybe he's not.
>> Right. He might not be. Well, they have
also found uh chambers inside the Sphinx
that they know are real.
>> Yeah.
>> So, cha chambers that are proven that
they know exist, this technology also
shows them.
>> And in Beyond these new scans, he also
shows cavities inside that sphinx
>> really
>> what he believes are.
>> Okay. So, it's it's really exciting and
I think, you know, if you think about
where this field is going in the next
five or 10 years and think about the
opportunities with AI and all of this
technology, look what was uncovered in
Cambodia with LAR. Look what's happening
in Egypt with scans from space. If you
take AI and you start to compile, you
know, I used to work for a mining
company and mining companies use lidar
or forestry companies or um
environmental [clears throat] companies.
They all scan the Earth, right, with
LAR. If you could use AI to compile all
of the scans all over the world, imagine
what you could start to identify that
nobody's identified before as an ancient
structures. Like, I think you could
fundamentally change this discussion in
the next 5 years just using AI and
different kinds of technology that we've
never been able to do in human history.
We can we can translate untransatable
texts.
>> Yeah, I've seen that. I've seen what's
really fascinating when they do these
scans of um scrolls from Pompei. Have
you seen that?
>> The Vuvius project.
>> Amazing. Like they're completely
wrapped. Yeah.
>> They're and they're covered with ash
like and there's like they're super
delicate, but they've been able to use
scans to actually read the text on those
scrolls.
>> It's amazing.
>> Incredible.
>> And there's an incredible amount of
ancient texts that have been
untransated.
What is hidden in there,
>> right? you know, not just the languages
that we don't know how to translate like
Rango Rango script in Easter Island, but
translatable script that nobody's paid
attention to, the thousands of Sanskrit
writings, what's hidden in there,
>> right?
>> You know, so I I think it's a really
exciting time to to do this work. And I
personally believe in the next 10 years
there are going to be extraordinary
discoveries that I think it's going to
be very hard to argue that we need to at
least reexamine our history.
>> Yeah, without a doubt. I I I think
that's already the case. I think there's
uh thanks to people like you and thanks
to people that are making these videos
where you could see this
just it's just so puzzling. I mean it it
doesn't make the timeline doesn't make
any sense. It also doesn't make any
sense in terms of like a linear timeline
of technology. It's like
>> what were they using? Like how did they
move this stuff? Like
>> and why
>> why Yeah. Why
>> why were they building these things? Why
were they building them where they were
building them?
>> Yeah. You know, if you think of the
earth like a a human body, were these
sites built on the acupuncture points of
earth? They were built in highly
energetic places. When you go to these
sites, you feel different. People
describe spontaneous healings. I have
different dreams when I visit these
ancient sites. You know, I I do a lot of
meditations. And when you meditate on
top of a pyramid in Cambodia, you drop
in immediately, you know. So you are as
a human, you're resonating with these
sites in a way that you don't when
you're not at them. And so I believe
personally that they were building these
sites in these places for a reason.
>> Well, it makes sense. Uh, and the idea
that different places don't have
different energy is just one of those
things that people like to say that
we've got a a clear understanding of
what energy is and what you know what
what is different about these different
places. It's just different geology.
It's just there's nothing special.
There's nothing but we don't really know
that. There's so many things that we
can't measure and we definitely don't
understand why certain places have a
different effect on human beings. I
mean, just wilderness has a different
effect on human beings. It's it's, you
know, like forest bathing, it's a real
thing. Like hugging trees actually is
good for you. Like [laughter]
grounding, walking barefoot on ground is
actually good for you. And we don't
truly understand why. And there's
something that in some way that we're
connected to the earth that we don't
quite understand.
>> Yep. Right after I left my corporate
life, I did a basically like a
wilderness quest. So, picture of like a
Native American vision quest where I
spent four days on the side of a
mountain with no food, no tent, nothing,
just a journal and myself for four days
with no food.
>> Why did you do that?
>> It was it was it was because I needed to
heal from the corporate life that I had
lived. that I needed to recover. And
>> how bad are jobs?
>> How bad are jobs that it's better to
have no food and be sitting on a
mountain for 4 days to get your head
straight?
>> What I'll say about that experience is I
think that humans don't let themselves
get completely silent any longer. So
what you're saying about nature healing
you, you know, over the course of three
days, your body gets very weak and the
voices get a lot quieter and suddenly
really the only thing you hear is your
soul or God or whatever word you have
for it and you watch the stars pass at
night and you're sitting there all day
and it's it was one of the most special
experiences I've ever had.
>> Did you bring water? What did you do?
You have basically like you have 3 lers
of water per day that you hike into this
area and you just sit with the water and
that's it. Um the last night of it was
really cool because what you're supposed
to do it's it's it's meant to be a a
healing and kind of rebirth, right? So
the last night you you set up rocks in a
circle and you at sunset you enter the
middle of the circle and you you're
keeping an all night vigil. So, you're
watching you literally watch the
constellations move all night and you're
supposed to try I I succeeded but barely
to stay awake until the sun comes up.
And so, the idea is that you're entering
as one person and you're leaving the
next morning as another person. And so,
the the Native Americans with their
vision quests, they're doing it right. I
think that we have completely lost uh
our connection and ability to tune into
ourselves and to tune into the earth and
you know quests like that are really
amazing.
>> Wow. And it's being blunted every day by
phones and TVs screens and
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> flipping through Tik Tok,
>> you know, it's it's different than
sitting with yourself
>> in complete silence.
>> What a complete polar opposite to
corporate life.
>> Yes.
>> Yeah.
>> Thank God.
>> [laughter]
>> Corporate life has its place, but Yeah.
>> Well, has its place. I'm on an iPhone.
>> Yeah.
>> Somebody's got to make a laptop.
>> Totally. And people need to make a
living, right?
>> Yeah. It's just there's other ways.
[laughter]
>> Not for everybody. I mean, we need
people to not get it so that they keep
working so we have stuff.
>> Yep. Exactly. Or, you know, at least to
spend a portion of their life doing
that. And then
>> when you think about ancient
civilizations and how much time they
spent in ritual and how how important
these things were to them and how they
had this very strange connection like
all a lot of these ancient structures
particularly like the Aztec structures
and Egyptian structures they mirror the
constellations.
>> Mhm.
>> And so they they had a a understanding
of their place in this universe. They
they knew how to make these temples so
that the pillars, the summer solstice,
the sun would part through the middle of
the pillars and light these corridors
like that. That's incredible
sophistication. That's incredible
planning. This understanding of when the
sun's coming up exactly at a specific
time of the year was the longest day of
the year to the knowledge that the sun's
moving in the sky, but it'll be back on
this day and this is where it's got to
be. So, this is where we have to build.
>> And they encoded that in stone
>> and they didn't miss. They didn't get it
off by a half a foot or 6 in. No, it's
like right there. Sun in the center,
right up the middle. Like, how did you
do that?
>> Yeah.
>> How did you do that? You did that while
you were hunter gathering. Like, what
are you talking about? This is bananas.
>> In the spring equinox, the sun rises
exactly over the center tower of
Ankorwatt.
>> Like, perfect.
>> They knew. They knew exactly what was
happening and they built their
structures around it.
>> God. Which gets back to the why, right?
Like, yes, how did they build this? It's
mindblowing, but why did they build it?
Why did they build it the way that they
did? Why did they build it where they
did? Look at that.
>> Isn't that incredible?
>> That is bananas.
>> Look at all the people. Just straight.
>> Wow.
>> Straight up the east side.
>> What are the odds?
I mean, the odds are pretty pretty small
that you would nail it like that.
[laughter]
You definitely get fired if you if you
were off a little bit.
>> That is crazy. It's so crazy. It's so
crazy.
>> Were really in tune.
>> What was it like? I mean, how much time
do you spend thinking about what society
must have been like then? Like
>> a lot almost every day. I wonder what
humans are like if we're not on this
path that we're on, you know, with uh
propaganda and gaslighting and
technology and being inundated with just
nonsense all the time and wrapped up in
materialism and brands and [ __ ] and
popularity.
>> I think we're in touch with each other.
I think we're in touch with the earth. I
think we have a deep relationship with
God. It's all of the things that people
are still searching for today. We just
feel fully disconnected from it. And I
think that's why these ancient sites are
so appealing to people.
>> You know, why people travel all over the
world to see them. It it creates a sense
of wonder and awe in us that very few
other things do.
>> Yeah.
>> You know,
>> um I'm really fascinated by the Mayan
civilization and the timeline of them
because that's another one that's really
weird.
>> Yeah. Like the the Mayan structures are
so strange. I've that's the only place
that I've been. The only ancient place
I've been is Chichinita. And when you're
walking around, you just go, "What were
these people like?" Like, "What was it
like living here?"
>> Were you there when you could still
climb it?
>> Yes. Me, too.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. We went in the 90s.
>> Yeah.
>> No, maybe early 2000s. Yeah. Early
2000s. And uh it was stunning. It's
weird. It feels weird. There's a lot of
ancient stuff in Mexico. You know, the
Memech things are really mysterious. The
Mayan structures, their myths, they're,
you know, it's it's old in southern
Mexico.
>> Well, how about the Aztec stuff where
they didn't even make those temples.
That's what I didn't know. I didn't know
that until fairly recently.
>> I mean, it's no different than the
Chimera in Cambodia.
>> Yeah. But at least they said it.
>> Yeah.
>> They said these are the place where the
gods were born. That's how they
described it. So, we we attribute those
temples to the Aztecs.
>> Yeah. Yeah,
>> but they they were like, "Nope, they
were already here."
>> Yep.
>> Okay. Well, but then who?
>> The Inca say the same thing in Peru. We
didn't build these. These were already
here.
But we don't listen to them. [laughter]
>> We're like, "You guys don't know what
you're talking about. People wrote
myths. Those are just stories.
>> Silly people."
>> Yeah. Um, one of the things we talked
about the other day was that there's a
bunch of different cultures that have um
a timeline of uh the kings where they
they ruled for thousands and thousands
of years. Yeah. Like one king ruled for
thousands of years and then you have the
flood and then you have the ages of
these people drops off pretty radically
and then becomes a normal age like human
beings.
>> Yeah. And we look at that and we go,
"Oh, that well that's just myth back
then." Yeah. Until it's history. And
it's the same texts like in the same
depictions of these kings. They have
accepted dates. You know, the 5,000 year
ago, 4,000 year ago kings. Well, yeah,
that guy was real.
>> Yeah.
>> But these other ones that lived for 3600
years, no, that's not real.
>> Same with the Janes. Like I was talking
about earlier, there are 24 tthankaras.
All 24 have lived according to the
James, but archaeology has only
recognized the last two of them because
those were the only, you know, the
timelines and their lifespans that kind
of fits. But when you talk about the way
back days, that's just myth.
>> What do they say their timelines were?
>> Oh, that I mean millions of years.
[laughter]
And the, you know, the first earth car
was over a mile tall.
>> Oh my god.
>> You know, so that it's just but it's
consistent across the world. The James
talk about it, the Hindus, the
Egyptians, the Sumerianss, all the
Bible, all of them talk about very long
lifespans, giant statures, you know. Is
it is it coincidence that all of our
ancient myths talk about the same
things,
>> right?
>> Or might it have been true?
>> Yeah. Well, then there's the book of
Enoch,
which is um Anna Paulina Luna turned me
on to that. She's like, "You got to read
that." And I I I've read it twice now.
I'm like, this is the most bizarre
depiction of a human story.
>> Yep.
>> The watchers came down and mated with
the daughters of men and created the
Nephilim. Yep.
>> Who were giants who destroyed and
consumed everything
>> and were wiped out by the flood.
>> What?
>> And the the accepted biblical texts
barely hint at that. They still talk
about it. Yes. But the extra biblical
cannon talks it the stories are much
more like the book of Enoch. Yeah. You
know it there's a reason I think that
those were excluded from the Bible.
>> Well, they were excluded by rabbis.
>> I know
>> because they didn't jive with the Torah,
[laughter] which is hilarious. Like you
you get to disco and they all were in
the same uh caves in Kuman. Like the
version of uh the book of Enoch was in
the same as the book of Isaiah. They
were all in the same scrolls.
>> Yeah. I
>> was just like, "What?"
>> Yep.
>> How do you guys leave this out? Like,
you imagine if they taught that at
church on Sunday. You'd be like, "What
are you saying?"
>> Yeah. You know, David and Goliath,
>> the Watchers.
>> It I think it's interesting that you can
totally accept that David and Goliath is
a real story. And Goliath was a giant in
the Bible.
>> Yeah. Right.
>> How How tall was he supposed to be,
though? Couldn't he be like a really big
guy from Iceland?
>> I think he was described They described
the way that the Hebrews described it is
that they made them feel like
grasshoppers.
>> The giants, the Nephilim made them feel,
you know, they were like, "We are as if
we are grasshoppers." So, I think that
they were meant to be very, very large.
>> Um, it would be really nice if they
found a Bigfoot somewhere.
>> Oh my. I love Bigfoot.
>> Not a [laughter] Bigfoot, not the
animal. I mean, like a giant foot, like
a sto Exactly. Yeah. David and Goliath.
So he was supposed to be 10 feet tall.
Often calculated as roughly nine to 10
feet tall. The thing about that is like
you know people are full of [ __ ] and
they can make up a story. The guy was so
big he was 10 feet tall. But meanwhile
he could have been like the mountain
from Game of Thrones like a real person.
Yep.
>> Maybe 6 and 1/2 ft tall.
>> Any of our basketball players today.
>> Who says he was 6 and 1/2 ft tall?
Scholars.
>> The Dead Sea Scrolls.
>> The Dead Sea Scrolls. So six cubits in a
span often calculated as roughly 9 to 10
feet tall in the ancient Hebrew text.
Greek and Dead Sea Scrolls uh texts say
four cubits in a span. So that's only 6
and 1 half to 7 and 1/2 ft tall
depending on how the cubit was defined.
So that makes sense. So who knows?
>> 9 to 10 is pretty big.
>> Yeah, 910 is big. But if the Dead Sea
Scrolls are correct, then it's only 6
and 1/2 ft. So he's a basketball player.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, that's
>> not even a really tall one.
>> Yeah. You know, there's Who's the
biggest basketball player now? How tall
are they?
>> There's there's a kid that's like 14
that's almost 8 feet tall.
>> What? [laughter]
I don't know if it's going to make it to
the NBA or anything, but
>> just plop it in.
>> Oh my god, that's so crazy. That's so
big. So, you got to imagine
>> But you got to imagine with technology.
So, they're working right now on life
extension technology and they've already
figured out a way to reverse the age of
skin cells and they're on their path to
being able to stop human aging and maybe
potentially even reverse it.
>> If that technology becomes implemented,
>> this kid's 79 now.
>> Jeez,
>> 20 years old, though. He's actually
playing basketball, but
>> jeez, huge.
>> So, he's bigger than Goliath by a lot.
He [laughter] Goliath would talk [ __ ]
about him, write a story about he got
his ass kicked by a basketball player.
Uh but if you can imagine this
technology being implemented in the
future and then being refined and then
getting to a point where they really
have it mastered, you know, like like we
have with so many medical interventions
that we have today. You you could get to
a point where someone could live to a
thousand years or several thousand
years. And if you're the king, of course
you're going to want that technology.
And you're also going to be very
protected. So you're you don't have to
worry about dying in other ways unless
somebody usurps you.
>> Yeah. So you can like the Samrian kings
list and some of these like the Zeppy
list. You look at that and you go what
what are they saying? Like why why was
this guy 6,000 years old? How did he how
did he rule the country for 30,000
years? That sounds insane. Yeah.
>> But it doesn't sound insane if they
master biological aging, which is not
impossible.
>> It's not impossible. Not only is it not
impossible, they're actively working on
technology that's going to allow that to
happen in our lifetime. You think it's
going to happen in our lives?
>> 100%. Yeah. 100%. Yeah.
>> Human quest for immortality.
>> Well, I don't think that's going to
happen, but I think you're going to
extend life. You're going to extend
biological life in a significant manner.
And maybe
for the sake of looking at things
through rosecolored glasses. Maybe
that's a good thing. Yes.
>> Because one of the things about humans
is we barely have enough time to figure
out how much of life is [ __ ]
>> Yeah. while you're wrapped up in it. And
then if you have responsibilities, you
get married, you have a family, you have
a mortgage, you have a bunch of there's
no time to recognize how fruitless a lot
of your thinking and behavior and how
stupid a lot of the things that people
concentrate on. But as you get older and
older, you get better at it. I'm way
better at it now than I was 20 years
ago. Way better. Way better at life. I
would imagine I'm going to be better
still 20 years from now, unless I'm
decrepit. So 20 years from now, I could
be all worn out and like, you know, my
back hurts and get off my lawn. You
know, you get stupid.
>> Not in my backyard,
>> right? You get goofy. You get goofy
because you get old and sad and, you
know, you're not healthy anymore. But if
you were 80 years old and healthy like a
healthy 30-year-old,
>> you're wise at that point.
>> Yeah. Well, then you have immense amount
of life experience.
>> Totally.
>> And then if you live under 100 years on
top of that, you Oh my god, I was so
stupid when I was 80. Back when I was
80, I thought I had it nailed. But now
that I'm 180, now I see.
>> The question is, if your lifespan is
expected to be 200 years, then do you
work until you're 160? So, does it just
expand the stages that we're all going
through now and you just work longer?
>> Well, it depends on what work is. So, if
work is your love, why not, right? Like,
if Yeah, it really depends on what work
is. So, if it's hard labor, that doesn't
sound fun. I don't want to be an 800y
old roofer. That seems like, geez, my
hands would be so lived to,200 years,
you still got a long retirement.
[laughter]
>> Well, I think retirement's out the
window if you can stay healthy. Cuz the
whole idea of retirement is like, why
are we retiring? We're retiring because
we hate our jobs.
>> Okay. Well, maybe if you loved your job,
you wouldn't want to retire.
>> Totally.
>> You know, George Carlin died on the
road. He died in a hotel room, I think,
in Las Vegas.
>> You know, and you hear lots of stories
of people working their entire careers,
retiring, and then promptly dying.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> Within six months, they have a heart
attack and they die. And they had all
these big plans and they just never see
them through.
>> Yeah. And they just feel like the end is
near and that that the the creeping
doom, the existential angst in the back
of your head is probably contributing to
a lot of your decay.
>> Yeah.
>> Because you've kind of like checked out.
You know, that happens a lot with
spouses. You know, the husband dies and
the wife dies shortly thereafter. My
grandparents, my my grandmother died and
my grandfather died within a year.
>> Yeah. Yep.
>> That's what happens when the woman dies
first.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. It's so much harder for the man to
live without her. [laughter]
>> Is it? Is it?
>> Yeah, I think so.
>> Why is that?
>> I mean, if you think of the all the old
widows, you know, the women live my
grandpa died 15 years ago and my
grandma's 93.
>> She's still living. She's still going.
>> That's interesting.
>> You know, she knew how to cook for
herself and clean and things like that.
But had it been reversed, I'm not sure
that he would have lived that long.
>> Maybe.
>> So,
>> depends on the relationship. So, I've
see a lot of relationships with older
couples where the woman becomes like the
caretaker.
>> Yeah.
>> I think dudes get dumber quicker when
they get older. So, [laughter]
>> no comment.
>> They just worn out by the time they hit
80. You know, a lot of times the wife
tells them like, "Okay, you got you're
right. You're right." And then they just
like fall into that role where the wife
is in charge of everything.
>> Have you seen the stats of um the the
expected lifespan of a man that's
married versus not married? No,
>> I Jamie, I don't know these off the top
of my head, but they've done studies
that talk about basically the lifespan
extension that happens with men when
they have a woman in their life.
>> Is it longer?
>> Yes.
>> Interesting.
>> Yeah.
>> Well, then when there's no woman, then
it's filled with cocaine and hookers.
So, that takes years off your life
>> and lots of burgers and beer, [laughter]
you know, you're not eating a salad,
>> right? Well, it's it's loneliness is
worse than cigarette smoking. They found
that.
>> Totally.
>> Yeah. Loneliness is like one of the
worst things that can happen to people.
Yep. And it, you know, really the term
spirituality is is it's kind of tainted
in a lot of ways because there's a lot
of goofy people that use that. Like I'm
not religious, but I'm spiritual. Like
it's
>> the term unfortunately has like a stink
to it.
>> Yeah.
>> But there is a connection that we have
to each other that's not as simple as we
would like to think. Like we need each
other. We need each other in very
profound ways. And it's it's actually
important for our survival.
>> Yeah.
>> And what that's why the worst thing they
could do to you in prison is put you in
solitary confinement.
>> We are a pack animal.
>> Yeah. Yeah. We're we're supposed to be
connected to each other
>> and it's not a preference thing. That's
why when someone says like, "I'm a
loner." I'm like, "Okay, well either
you're the only one that's like that or
you're full of [ __ ] or you like you want
to pretend you're mysterious. You like
to be alone." Like we like we attribute
strength to that. Like oh, he doesn't
need anybody. And it's so hard now to to
build your tribe. You no longer live
where your grandparents and your parents
lived. You are out there on your own.
You're spending hours on your phone. You
have a community that you feel like is a
community, but it's not. You don't have
you don't have a [snorts] tribe anymore.
>> Yeah. And then people find their own
tribes and usually they're political.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. They get ideological or religious,
you know.
>> You want to fit in.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. And that's what we do. I mean,
that's why when you see so many people
that are religious devotees, like, why
are why are they willing to do that? Why
are they willing to wear those clothes?
Why are they willing to act that way?
Well, it's because everyone's doing it
and you want to be a part of it. And
there's like some some good feeling of
community to where everyone's kneeling
at the same time and saying the same
things. There's something to that that
like is very profound totally with human
beings. And if it's directed in the
wrong way, it could be incredibly
destructive. But if it's directed in the
right way, if it w it's if it's real
ceremony and real worship and real
openness to the cosmos and to to God and
to spirituality, like real true
understanding, real connection with the
universe, then it's probably a lot
better than the way we're doing it.
>> 10,000%. I think that's why the
psychedelics are coming back in such a
huge way. It's people It's people
accessing that part of themselves that
have been shut down their whole lives.
>> Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up
because I think that's the missing
element and I think that's what probably
was very prevalent in the ancient times.
And um this is the work of Brian Mur
Rescue. I'm sure you do you know about
his stuff? The immortality key. Did you
read that book?
>> Yes, I did.
>> So he I actually got super fortunate
that um my family and I were in Greece
when he was going to be in Greece. And
so I got a tour of Illusis with him. He
took me there
>> and he showed me all the different
places and it feels so strange. It feels
so strange. Like you're you're standing
in the place where these people had
these Illusinian mystery ceremonies and
it just feels weird. Like my family got
a little weirded out cuz I was like
holding on to I was like standing.
>> Did it feel good?
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely good.
>> Like like a connection.
>> It felt [ __ ] strange. Like I was
holding on. I was I had my hand on this
wall and my daughter was like, "Are you
okay?" I'm like, "I'm fine. I'm fine.
I'm fine. I'm just I don't want to talk
right now. I just want to like
>> Yeah.
>> sit here and try to soak this in.
>> Like, is daddy upset? Like, no. No, no,
no. Not upset. No. Like, cuz your dad's
just like holding a [laughter] rock.
>> It's a little destabilizing for a
child."
>> I know. Like, [laughter] is daddy okay?
[snorts]
They thought it was cool, too. But, you
know, it's hard when you're 13 or 12.
It's hard to like go, "Oh my god, what a
special place." They're like, "Yep, old
old stuff. What are we eating?"
>> Rocks. Cool. [laughter] Yeah.
>> Like we took him to the uh museum in
Athens and one of my daughters loves
museums. The other ones like couldn't be
bothered. She was like bored by it all.
But I was like this is crazy. Like these
people lived 2,000 years ago and they
made this stuff. Like you know how nuts
this is? Like how did they do this? Like
what were they doing? Like what was this
society like? Like this is to be able to
just see this the work of people that
they've left behind and to just imagine
the amount of time that's taken place
and then you put yourself back
>> into that timeline and like
>> we just assume that this way that we are
this is how people are because this is
how people are today. It's so hard to
put your mind into like what it's like
and what it must have been like to live
back then. If you go to places earlier
this year I went to Easter Island and
Peru and both of them are described as
the [clears throat] navls of the world
you know so they have these these origin
myths in both of these places and when
you're in these places you have
different dreams you sleep really well
you feel just good you feel like you're
on peptides you know you just feel
you're like oh my gosh I feel so healthy
I feel healed and you it so the The land
itself where they built a lot of these
ancient places is powerful. You know, I
don't I don't think it's a coincidence
that we see the Moai and Easter Island
built around this absolutely incredible
place or Cusco, which is such a
beautiful place that you see these stone
walls. I think that they built there
because of the energy that was there
already.
>> What do you think was before that?
[clears throat]
And like what is this timeline? How far
does it go back? Like what is the origin
of sophisticated civilization? Like what
is the year? When does it all start
happening?
>> I wonder sometimes if the purpose of
building structures like that is so
people like you ask those questions.
>> That's the whole point.
>> Well, maybe
>> is to is to blow our minds and get us to
think about consciousness and the
history of our species. The fact that
we're sitting there having this
conversation is because of the stones
that were built who knows how long ago.
>> Yeah.
>> And maybe that was the point.
>> It certainly could have been a part of
the point because what we're doing today
when we talk about our society being
sick and superficial and silly. All of
our structures are temporary
>> and they're ugly.
>> Well, some of them are cool looking. I
think some are cool. [laughter]
>> Some of them. Yeah,
>> they're cool. They they're certainly not
anchor watt cool.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, they're cool, but the the
point is like they're all essentially
temporary. A thousand years from now,
none of them will exist. They will all
be absorbed by the earth.
>> And that's hard for people to
understand. If you're walking through
Manhattan, like this will always be
here. Nope. Nope. Nope. It won't. It
won't. If everybody just left
>> and you came back 5,000 years from now,
there wouldn't be [ __ ] here. Yeah.
>> So then it leads me to this question.
the timeline that we're looking at. If
you're looking at pre flood timeline,
you know, 11 12,000 years ago, things
were sophisticated,
>> maybe it's way longer than that. Because
if if you have a 100,000 years of super
sophisticated civilization, what what
does that look like? Yep.
>> What do people look like then?
>> And this is one of the things that
people are proposing when they
>> look at anatomically modern human
beings. So anatomically modern human
beings and then not these Peru skulls
but whatever just you and I are.
>> They've pushed that back now to 1
million years.
>> So okay, why did it take so long before
people just like you and I figured out
agriculture, figured out civilization,
figured out cities?
>> What were we doing that whole time?
>> What What was going on? And is it
possible that it's just when you go back
that far, you don't find anything? Y,
>> you don't find anything. That seems more
likely to me. And when you look at the
immense
erosion that uh Ben Van Kirkwick has
pointed out to the really the older
stones in Egypt where you can clearly
see they've built on top of them on the
outside and you see this intense erosion
like this is tens of thousands of years
of erosion. Well, what if it's a hundred
thousand? What the [ __ ] is left? What if
it's 200,000?
>> What's left from a 100,000 years ago?
Maybe some stones,
myths, and spiritual traditions or
10,000 years ago. The that's the only
thing that makes it through cataclysms,
the human stories, spiritual traditions,
and these megalithic stones.
>> And a real cataclysm. If you're talking
about the destruction of civilization
itself,
how many of those people even know the
stories? How many live? How many
scholars survive the apocalypse? How
many? I mean, we know that 70,000 years
ago, the Toba volcano, the super
volcano, wiped people out down to the
point of I less than 100,000 people on
Earth.
>> Just 70,000 years ago,
>> right?
>> 100,000 people.
>> We have been on the brink so many times.
>> Can you imagine like one Eagles football
game,
>> right? Take that crowd. That's the
entire population of Earth now.
>> Yeah. Right. One packed UT game. That's
everybody on Earth. And now we have to
branch out and go to China and go to
Africa and go everywhere. That's all the
people on Earth.
>> That just shows how amazing and
resilient we are.
>> Yeah. And also fragile. Yes. You know,
and and also it really
it really shines a light on the
preposterous nature of the conventional
timeline. It really does because it's
like look guys, there's so much evidence
that there's holes in the story.
>> Yeah.
>> At what point in time do you stop and
say, "Look, there a lot of these people
did great work and they made these
conclusions based on the understanding
that they had at the time. But as time
has gone on, there's come a point where
we have to reevaluate this. And if you
don't reevaluate it, you're going to
lose all the respect of the people that
are paying attention." Totally. because
there's too many people that are looking
at this and saying, "Hey, no one's
discounting or discrediting your work.
No one's saying you're a bad person."
You know, no one's saying you're an
idiot. It's like this is what we knew
back then. But to say that this is all
we know and any new information, as
profound as it might be, like 1.2
kilometer structures underneath the
Great Pyramids, like that doesn't mean
that you're an idiot. It just means that
this is an ongoing thing. It's not done.
>> Yep. We haven't figured it out yet and
we're not going to for a long ass time.
This is a long trek and as LAR improves
and as the radio tomography and all
these different things that they come up
with and then imagine the advances 10,
20, 30 years from now in their ability
to look like look at subsaharan Africa.
Very little expedition's been done there
and they're like what?
>> Let's light our subsaharan Africa.
>> There's whales there.
>> I've seen the whales.
>> Whales? Yeah. Okay, so
>> they're incredible. What the [ __ ] You
find whales in the desert. Okay, what
else is out there? Is there a city under
all that [ __ ] Like, what is that? Like,
what what is in there?
>> You know what's funny though? You can
reveal cities under the jungle and
nobody talks about it,
>> right?
>> You know, they they just did that in
Cambodia and it's not headline news
around the world that there are entire
cities being found in the Amazon jungle
or in Cambodia. It just is one quick
headline and then everybody ignores it.
Well, it's good for us because it it
gives us great podcast content.
[laughter]
>> You know what I mean? It's like it's the
only way people could find out about it.
And again, it's science. The LAR scans
of the Amazon are spectacular.
>> Incredible.
>> And you you look at it and you go, "Oh
my god, there was probably millions of
people living here. This is not like a
bunch of tribal people that are shooting
bows and arrows all the time. No,
>> they were engineering the rainforest."
>> Oh. Yeah. And it just the fact that more
people aren't talking about this is a
little stunning to me. But I just think
they don't get informed. And then they
also assume, you know, you see some
YouTube headline that's got big fancy
font and you know, people are older than
we think. Like, oh, go on. [laughter] I
went to Cambridge. [ __ ] off.
>> And you have a lot of AI stuff out there
that's just complete bogus.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, so you it's hard to know what
uh what the truth is.
>> Sure. And then there's a lot of weird
stuff like the Sage Wall in Montana.
I've watched some videos on that. I'm
not convinced. I I think that might be a
a weird geological formation.
>> Yeah.
>> But it doesn't look like it. Parts of it
really look like it. Stack stones.
>> I think that, you know, during the ice
age in North America, it was an
extremely harsh time with walls of ice,
right? So if if the younger dus happened
the way that I believe it happened,
North America would have been just
almost wiped clean. You know, if so, if
there were ancient structures here, they
probably didn't survive the way that
they did in Egypt and other places like
that.
>> Certainly not under the glaciers, right?
>> Cool. I just found
>> what' you find.
>> I see the middle of the desert here.
>> Yeah.
>> I'm going to zoom in. Desert. Desert.
Desert. Desert.
Desert. Right.
>> Right. [clears throat] until
>> Whoa.
>> An ancient fortress.
>> How old is it
>> of draw? Why?
No one knows what it [laughter] is.
>> What?
>> Yeah. They don't they they're assuming
that maybe uh as a hiding place for Jews
when they were being persecuted and and
taken out of there. But according to
this,
no explanation. It's just in the middle
of the desert.
>> Whoa.
>> Sand, straw, and clay.
>> Whoa. Oh,
>> just like look at the dunes. Imagine if
it didn't just I'm blown away.
>> Imagine deciding to build there.
>> No, nowhere.
>> Why did they build
>> or what else is around it? You know
what's hiding underneath next to it?
>> God, what did it look like when it was
first built? And what is it made out of?
Sand
>> stone. What is it made of?
>> It said sand and clay.
>> Wow.
>> Which means it's probably It probably is
newer.
>> Yeah,
>> sure. But I'm at my point is like it's
hiding under the desert and then just in
the middle of nowhere and no one I've
never heard of it being brought up on
here by anybody.
>> One big sandstorm and that thing's gone,
>> right?
>> Buried.
>> Look at all the sand.
>> Well, the crazy thing is think that that
sand was all jungle and before that it
was ocean.
>> I know.
>> This it's so insane.
>> Seeing the whales in the middle of the
desert is a surreal experience.
>> Surreal. Have you seen them in person?
>> Yeah.
>> Oh yeah.
>> What is that? Like how close they let
you get?
>> Oh, you just walk right up to them.
There's just like little rocks on the
ground outlining the skeletons.
>> Yeah.
>> Wow.
>> But it's, you know, when we were driving
out there, they were they had security's
concerns. So, we had a security car in
front of ours, then ours, and one behind
us.
>> Look how bonkers that is.
>> Yeah. It It looks like dragons.
[laughter]
It's just otherworldly. It's so neat.
>> That's so crazy.
>> It's a long drive, though. It's like a
whole day.
>> Well, the dragons thing is a weird one.
Yeah,
>> because there's uh this is one of the
things that the view made fun of me of.
He said he believes in dragons
[laughter]
was saying that. So I put I changed all
of the headings of my social media
account. Dragon believer. That's what
[laughter]
Cuz I'm like that's so funny.
>> Yeah. You and millions of other people
around the world and almost every
ancient civilization
>> Yeah.
>> believed in dragons.
>> It's very odd. It's very odd that they
all have this story of these ancient
serpents. Uh but but also they were
really bad at their depictions of actual
things. And um one of the things that I
pointed out to Jamie was when I visited
Italy a few years ago, I went to this
really old church and they had this uh
stone mosaic artwork that was of Noah
and uh was it Noah and the whale?
>> No, Jonah.
>> Jonah. Jonah and the whale. I think
that's what it was. But this whale does
not look like a whale. It looks really
weird. It's this really weird looking
thing that's supposed to represent a
whale. Why? Because they never saw a
whale. So like they're they're making
their own version of what a whale
stories,
>> right?
>> Yeah.
>> See if you can find that. I know it's on
my Instagram. Super old. I think it was
probably 10 years ago.
>> Um but whatever the [ __ ] that is like,
okay, that's how they That's it. Like
look at that thing. [laughter] Ain't
that dope?
>> That doesn't look like a whale,
>> right? at all. Right.
>> But
>> looks like a griffin.
>> Yeah. It looks like some kind of a
monster that lives in the ocean. So this
is like their version of describing what
a whale looks like. Right.
>> So when they're describing dragons, like
what are they really describing? Do they
actually fly or we or are we talking
about like crocodiles? Like what are we
talking about? Are we talking about like
some sort of extinct dinosaurs that
survived and then, you know, they only
made it for a few thousand years ago?
Because there's things that we know
existed during the human timeline that
they just don't exist anymore. They went
extinct. Yeah. You know, giant sloths,
for instance, is a bunch of North
American animals. 65% in fact, of all
North American megapa didn't make it
after the younger dus impact.
>> Yep.
>> So, what what is what is the serpent?
What is the dragon? Like what? Why is
why does China have one? Why does Japan
have one? Why does Eastern European have
one? Why why does so many ancient
cultures talk about this one specific
thing?
>> Yeah.
>> And the Bible references it like 34
times.
>> What's interesting though is in most of
the ancient civilizations, the serpents
or the dragons are meant to be guardian
figures, right? So they were presented
in a positive light. They weren't evil,
right?
>> But in the Bible, the serpent is
actually the trickster,
>> you know? So it's it's one of the only
traditions in [clears throat] the
ancient world where the the serpent is s
it's suggested that the serpent is evil
evil
>> in Adam and Eve in that depiction.
>> You know he tricked Eve.
>> Yeah.
>> But in front of all of the temples in
Cambodia there are giant naga which is
like the seven or nine headed snakes and
they guard the liinal space between the
outside world and the temples. So that
that's their purpose right? They're
there. When you see a naga, it means
you're entering um you're entering a
temple. You're entering the zone of the
gods. So, it was always positive except
for in ancient Christianity.
>> Yes. The King James version is [snorts]
the version that says dragon, but it's
uh probably a translation issue maybe.
>> Ah, interesting. So, sea monster,
serpent translated in many modern
versions as jackal, sea creature, or
monster depending on the context. A
dragon often renders Hebrew terms like
tanin, which is a sea monster, a
serpent, interesting,
>> fire breathing reptiles.
>> But it's just like what were they? Like
why were there so many versions of this?
Was that a real thing? And is it a real
thing from 11,000 years ago? Is it a
real thing from 20,000 years ago, 50,000
years ago? And again, when when it comes
to the fossil record, like how much
evidence would there be of that thing
existing,
>> right? They didn't even find dinosaurs
until like what the 1700s or something,
>> right? Yeah.
>> Whenever it was. And then there's a lot
of people that think dinosaurs are fake,
which is fun. [laughter]
>> There's all sorts of rabbit holes you
can go down.
>> It's a flat fun. Well, they have a point
in that uh a lot of what you go to see
in the museum is not an actual dinosaur
skeleton. It's a recreation.
>> Totally.
>> Yeah. Because the actual skeletons are
probably somewhere else. That is a fact.
And then it's also the fact that they
take like portions of it and then they
recreate what's missing and then create
a skeleton.
>> Make a lot of assumptions.
>> Yeah, there's a lot of assumptions.
Yeah.
>> Well, this is why um in um the the
science museum in Bosezeman, Montana, we
talked about this before. I went there
with my kids once and they have a raptor
and on one side of the raptor it's what
we think of like from Jurassic Park that
it had like scaly skin like a lizard and
the other side it's covered in feathers.
the bird,
>> which is Yeah, this is the alternative
perspective.
>> This is Gus, the most complete uh
dinosaur type T-Rex skeleton. 61%
complete and it is for sale right now.
>> Oh, how much does that cost?
>> You want to guess?
>> 20 million.
>> Yeah. No, no. More. [laughter] More.
>> You're taking It's the bids are going
up.
>> 80 million.
>> Yeah. I mean, that's the I think the
expected is somewhere in the 65 to 80
million range.
>> Whoa. And 60% complete.
>> 61%. Yeah.
>> So, that means you're getting 39%
[ __ ] when you buy it. I don't I
think they've just left some of it out.
I don't know that they filled it in all.
>> Oh, okay. So, that's what's left. That's
actually what's So, there's some stuff
missing. Doesn't look like
>> his little arms.
>> He does. They're right there.
>> See, there's some
>> Okay. Some Some stuff ribs and [ __ ]
>> That looks pretty
>> I don't know. It looks pretty complete.
[laughter] That looks pretty complete.
That's sick. There was a house that I
looked at that was for sale in uh Malibu
once and um in the house they it came
with a dinosaur. If you paid an extra
million dollars, you get to keep the
dinosaur.
>> Really?
>> Yeah. They had a raptor skeleton.
>> That seems expensive.
>> It was a little high. A little high.
[laughter] Well, the house was a little
high. It was It's probably worth 50
bucks now. Nobody wants to live there.
>> I think a lot of times about what it
would feel like to be hunted from the
sky,
>> right? The pterodactyls. Sometimes
you'll be hiking in the desert and
you'll see a, you know, a hawk will fly
over you and you'll get that shadow.
>> Yeah.
>> And just imagine if it's just this
massive hunter just coming for you.
There's nothing you can do,
>> right? When did those die off, too?
>> Gus has some bite marks on his ribs.
>> Whoa,
that's crazy. I wonder if that's
postmortem.
>> Fossilized bite marks.
>> Yeah, that could have been somebody
scavenging them.
>> Yeah, could have been. So, Trinity. So
the So uh it's valued between 20 million
and 30 million. The highest pre-sale
estimate ever placed on a dinosaur at
auction.
>> Yeah. I think there's already some
higher bids than that though currently.
>> I bet there's a lot of dorks out there
with a lot of money. [laughter] Want
that [ __ ] in their house next week.
>> People love to touch history.
>> Yeah. Elon's probably going to have that
[ __ ] at SpaceX.
>> Oh, do you do you want to touch some
history?
>> Yeah, sure. Yeah.
>> Okay. I brought you a little show and
tell.
>> Okay.
Oo, exciting.
>> So, I grew up in western Nebraska on a
giant corn farm.
This is called a Jimmy Allen point.
This is 9,500 years old.
>> Wow.
>> It's a spear point. So, it was being
chipped basically when Gobeclet was at
the height of its building.
>> Wow.
>> 8,500 to 9,500 years old.
My grandpa had a load of rock delivered
to his house and that was in it. So they
would dredge this this river rock from
the rivers, the Plat River, and deliver
it to your house. And he found that in
his yard.
>> Holy [ __ ]
>> Isn't that an incredible experience?
>> That's amazing.
>> To touch it.
>> That's amazing. I don't know how old
this one is, but this is from here.
>> Oh, yes.
That's a pretty good one. This is
actually better. This one's really good.
>> That one's substantially older than
this.
>> Yeah,
>> I bet this is 2,000 years old. That
one's almost 10.
>> That's crazy.
>> So, I'm going to show you something
else. It's just a part of one, but this
is part of a fulsome point.
>> Which is 12,700 years old. So, that was
>> definitely
created to hunt something that's
extinct. Now [laughter]
>> you can see the flute up the middle and
the look at the work on the sides of it.
>> Wow.
That's crazy.
>> It's the most incredible stone work. And
you see that over time it went from
Clovis to Fulsome and then down the line
to to points like this and it just, you
know, became Yeah. So th those are This
would have looked like that if it was
full.
>> Wow. You're seeing the central flute on
this one. But both of these were found
out on my farm.
>> That's pretty amazing.
>> Yeah. I saw you talking to Taylor
Sheridan about arrowheads and I thought
to myself, I wonder if Joe would like to
hold a 9,500y old spear point.
>> I did love it. Thank you. Thank
[laughter] you for letting me hold that.
That's pretty dope. It's pretty
incredible too when you think about the
history of North America that when
Europe and China and all these other
parts of the world had developed
sophisticated
civilizations and machines and all these
different things. And these people were
living a very nomadic hunter gatherer
life
>> like essentially in the stone age all
the way up to the 16 1700s until
>> except for some of the mounts. So some
of the mound structures like in
Louisiana, I think those are about 9,000
years old. Really,
>> I believe. And those are massive
platforms, right? Like earthworks that
are almost at least unexplainable for
why they would have built them.
>> Do you think flood?
>> I don't I don't think any of them have
been dated to pre flood.
>> So this is post flood, whoever was here.
>> So if people lived here, so the White
Sands, New Mexico footprints are all pre
flood. That's
>> 23,000. Yep.
>> Um, one thing that's interesting is
those people were barefoot, right? So,
the question is like what was
sophisticated civilization like in North
America then? Because it seems like
North America in particular because of
the fact that up until 11,000 years ago
was covered in ice. Most of North
America was covered in like a mile high
of ice. It's so hard for us to think.
>> Chicago gone.
>> Can you imagine?
>> Yeah. Gone. Montana gone. Yeah.
Everything's gone. Colorado gone.
Everything's completely covered in a
mile of ice.
>> And then 11,000 years ago, it all goes
away real quick.
>> And then you have the Great Lakes.
>> Yeah. Which is so strange. And then if
you look at Randall Carlson's done an
amazing job of like sort of illuminating
like what kind of a mass of water it
would have sent rushing through the
entire country.
>> Yeah. at the time that these things were
almost instantaneously melted. Like how
insane that must have been if huge
asteroidal impacts slammed into these
ice caps.
>> Here's what two miles of ice looks like
next to a city.
>> Oh my god, [laughter]
[gasps]
that's so crazy that that everything
that we see when you drive through
Kansas and Nebraska and Iowa, all that
was under all that.
>> Yeah. My husband's from North Idaho and
you can see the all of the ancient
remains of these lakes, you know, these
ice dams that burst.
>> Yeah.
>> Just float over the landscape. And I
think Randall Carlson is especially
gifted in describing these events. Yeah.
>> Making it real for us.
>> Well, he's obsessed and he spent so much
when I met him. I met him in Georgia. I
did a show in Atlanta and I met him like
2005 or something like that and he was
explaining it to me back then and I and
I had never heard that before. I was
like, "What?" Like that was my first
introduction to the younger d impact
theory and that's when it started
putting all the pieces together. Okay,
well that's what ended civilization.
That's and that and now that we know
that that's a real event because of core
samples because the you know they've
been find they find layers of vidium
which is very common in space very rare
on earth and these microdiamonds that
appear when you have impacts
>> the black mat.
>> Yeah.
>> They know that it happened. So, some big
events happened. I think they think
11,800 years ago, and they think again
like 10,000 years ago. They think it
happened more than once.
>> Yeah.
>> Would kind of make sense that it took so
long for civilization to reemerge?
>> Yeah. And the question is, did that
civilization that was alive at the time
know that it was coming?
>> Right.
>> And what did they do to prepare?
>> Right. Or could they have even?
>> And did they know that probably the only
thing that was going to be left after
that is stone? M.
>> So what is encoded in that stone for us
to read today?
>> Yeah, that's the weirdness of um things
like Egypt when you look at the pyramids
and the dimensions and how the
dimensions align with the
>> you know the the dimensions of earth and
the distances to the moon and yeah it's
all the whole thing is very weird.
>> It's very weird.
>> It doesn't seem like coincidence.
>> No,
>> it seems like they knew exactly what
they were doing. And what is the you
know the one language that's going to
survive? Geometry, math, right?
Astrology,
>> right? It's universal
>> stones are the things that are going to
survive. Myths,
right? So that it's a it's messages
being passed down to us today and now
people are looking and paying attention
and it just it's it's a complete
obsession for me. I don't know how
anybody thinks of anything else besides
ancient history. [laughter]
>> Once I get into it, I feel the same way.
>> Amazing. Yeah, I mean
>> it's too amazing. It
>> It's certainly a puzzle and uh if it
wasn't for people like you and other
people that are doing similar things,
most people would be very blissfully
unaware of how nuts the the actual
physical history of the earth is.
>> Yeah. Yep. And you know, until recently,
a lot of this, first of all, people
couldn't travel around the world. They
couldn't
they couldn't read scripts that weren't
in their language. Archaeologists were
exploring sites and their papers were
going to the universities. And so we
didn't have the opportunity to see these
global patterns the way that we do now.
To to link, okay, I see the same thing
in Egypt that I see in India. Like this
thousand ton statue is in India and it's
also in Egypt. What about these walls?
They're the same. I don't think it was
as easy to do that back in the day. you
know, even the people that were deep
into the research in Egypt in the 1800s,
they weren't traveling to Peru. So, we
are at a very unique time in history
where we can look across all of it,
especially in the next 10 years when
we're leveraging AI and other
technologies from space-based scanning
or whatever. I I think it's going to
fundamentally change the way that we
view the history of the world.
>> I think so, too. And so, thank you.
Thank you for being here. Thank you for
your channel. And uh thank you for all
your interest in this because it's uh
absolutely fascinating.
>> Thank you for having me on. This was so
fun.
>> My pleasure. Let's do it again.
>> Okay. Love that.
>> All right. Thank you. Bye everybody.
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