I started hearing um voices.
I didn't know what to do. I thought,
"Okay, I've gone off the deep end. We
hear of people who have been abducted
and some people have got really
wonderful, amazing things to say and
some people have really terrible and
horrible things to say about their
experience and what they've gone
through." But because my experience was
negative, it drove me to find answers
and I was like, "Wait a second."
So, one of the reasons that [music] they
create that great big AI and they're
collecting all this data from hundreds
of thousands of people with implants is
so that they know whether or not we're
lying. [music] They have that data to
validate that. So, as much as it sucks
to be a person [music] with an implant
in it, we need it. We need it so that
we're not a threat. So, they're here
harvesting our [music] own minerals to
create these craft that are being
deployed out in the oceans and these
beings that are also being deployed.
This is them.
>> [music]
>> this is them. And and each object is
built with its unique design [music] for
its purpose. So you're you have you've
gathered this information [music] from
them.
>> Yeah.
>> Their their teachings or what have you
and you're starting to replicate or
build
uh something based on their technology.
I have several different uh prototype
designs that I'm um [music]
Sorry, I just got um blocked. I'm not
supposed to talk about the underground
[music] underwater stuff.
>> I listened to your podcast um [music]
and have for the last 6 months and
really enjoy it. Um wasn't going to
call, but I felt compelled to today
after listening uh to one of your
interviews. And so I've had several
things happen over my life, but probably
one of the most interesting ones was
when I was younger, 13, I had some sort
of visitation
um you know, the whole light and the
voice um telepathically
and it [music] indicated that I would go
through some uh events in my life that
would want me to call self harm. [music]
um but to not do it because we Laurel
need you for the children. Anyway, there
was other details in the message but all
that came to be true and um yeah [music]
experienced a lot of loss and death and
obstacles a few short years later and
was definitely uh depressed and [music]
thinking about at the tender age of 18
and could [music] not because of that
experience. um also have seen things and
had other [music] experiences but uh
just wanted to share. Thank you. Bye.
>> Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back. Uh
today we have a very special guest here,
a fellow Canadian actually, which is not
every day that we get a Canadian in the
skiff. I'm joined by uh author,
experiencer
Sean Newbower.
>> Thank you for having me on the show. I
uh look forward to getting into this
with you.
>> Yeah. So, you approached me and here's
here's a wild thing. We were at Contact
in the Desert, which is a convention
that happens uh in Palm Springs,
California once a year, UFO convention.
A lot of people there, 2,000 people. And
you approached me, kind of pulled me
aside and said, "Hey, I've got this
story. Um, and it's it's a little deep.
It's a little complicated." And you
started getting into the story with me.
And I was I was completely enthralled
because
your story seems to fill a lot of the
plot holes that we have in the sort of
UFO sphere um with abductions with crop
circles with technology with culture of
the beings themselves and they are
beings they are extraterrestrials.
>> Yes. And so according to you and
according to I think uh your book mind
hacked as well is that there's this this
is one type of being that we're dealing
with and they have implanted you with a
chip
>> um you know much like the chips that
Whitley Strieber talks about or that Dr.
Roger Lear you know has um taken a lot
of time into looking into um and so
through this chip they communicate with
you.
>> Yes. And they talk to you about they
teach you things. They teach you
physics, math, tech,
>> astronomy, uh philosophy, sociology,
um
>> physics,
>> psychology, chemistry, really
>> psychology. Yeah.
>> Um the foundations of the universe. uh
and we have deep philosophical
conversations about like the meaning of
life or uh what's the point or the most
objective way to think about something
or efficiencies in systems or like it's
it's it's really uh interesting stuff.
It's not like the normal
um conversations that I hear a lot of
people have and and I'm not like a huge
deep diver into this. I haven't
investigated the UFO phenomenon in
depth. Yeah.
>> I'm not a researcher. Uh I'm I'm an
experiencer. I can remember sitting on
my deck of my house talking with one of
my friends about this way before this uh
experience happened to me. And um I was
telling I was telling him like I I know
that mathematically there has to be life
in the universe cuz it just makes sense
for that to be. But if you hold the the
speed of light as a barrier in the
universe, which we can't break right now
with our current physics,
>> then it's not possible for them to come
here because like what are you going to
pack a lunch and then travel for like 12
years and get to Earth to do what? To
then like look around and just like
learn about this species maybe. But it
doesn't explain why they've been here
for so long. Right? So it but for me at
the beginning I didn't I wasn't a
believer. It took this experience and
the validation that I received from the
first person perspective of this
interaction to really convince me that
it was real.
>> So you were in Mexico. This was 15 years
ago when this happened in Cancun. You
were having a good time. you're out
there with your girlfriend
>> at the time and you were just kind of
celebrating.
>> Um, take us through the initial
experience and then how that led to the
communications that you say you're
having with these beings.
>> Yeah, sure. So, we're we go to Mexico as
Canadians. It's nice in the winter time
to get away from the snow.
>> Yeah.
>> Right. Like you want to get somewhere
warm and get that sun on your skin and
and and be delicious. So, um, we're
enjoying ourselves, having went down
with my best friend, my my new
girlfriend. We're having a great time.
Um, and and we're having a really, uh,
good time in the sun and laughing so
much that our that our cheeks hurt. Um,
and they decided that they wanted to go
away from the resort and go to, um, an
outside restaurant. And so, they decided
to go to Bubblegum Fish Factory and in
Cancun. and I'm not a huge fan of fish.
Uh, growing up in the north, fresh fish
wasn't really easy to get. Um, and so I
don't really enjoy it. So, when the food
came, I got up from the table, excuse
myself, and I went outside to get some
air. I didn't have my wallet with me or
cuz I was just going out for just a
brief moment while they ate and then my
intention was to come back inside. So, I
step outside the restaurant and I'm
looking around. I'm like, I got a couple
seconds to kill. look across the street
and I see these um red and blue lights
flashing. I'm like, "God, what?"
>> Police car.
>> Like a police car. And I'm like, I
wonder what that is. And I go to take a
couple steps and then I the whole world
went black. Like the place before death.
Like it was gone. And then I come back.
I come too and I only have one memory in
between in between
the the lights and walking down the
street is I'm trying to take money out
of a bank machine with my room key cuz
that was all I had in my pocket.
Um few moments later I come to you and
I'm walking down the sidewalk and I
don't know where I am. I don't even know
I'm in Mexico at this point. I don't
know anything about anything. I'm just
looking for help. So I look off to the
left and I see a person. So, I start
walking towards this person. And as I'm
walking towards this person, more and
more of the universe is coming back into
my my ability to perceive it. Um, and so
as I'm growing more uh capacity of
consciousness, I I walk up to this guy
and I can't talk. My mouth won't work.
So, I reach into my pocket and I pull
out the only thing I have is my room key
and I hand it to him and he's like, "Oh,
senior a long way." And he points down
the road and I'm like, "Great." So, I
get on the road and I walk because I
have no money for a cab. I can't even
take a bus. It's like dark outside. Um,
and I don't know what's going on. So, I
start walking down the road and just as
I'm getting back to the hotel, the sun
is rising. And when I get into the room,
I sit down. I pour myself a tub. My body
aches like crazy. Um, and I I pour a
bath and I watched we had one of those
really nice hotel rooms where you could
see the right on the ocean. Watch the
sun come up. Got out of the bath and
went to bed. I get up in the morning and
my girlfriend's like, "Where the hell
were you?" And I'm like, "I don't know.
I don't know where I went."
Go down for breakfast and my friends are
like, "Where the [ __ ] were you? Like, we
looked for you for hours.
The balls on this guy to just get up
from the table and leave. Like, you
could have you we called you. We
searched around. We couldn't find you."
Didn't think much of it. Like it was a
really abnormal experience to have
happen to me, but like I didn't have any
marks on my body. It's not like somebody
took a kidney. It was
>> weird.
>> Did you suspect that you've been
drugged?
>> Can we talk about how weird it is that I
have to tell complete strangers, please
don't put my address on the internet?
That feels like something that should
already be covered. Like, hey, can you
not sell where I sleep to complete
strangers that I've never met? Well,
apparently no, because there are
companies called data brokers whose
entire business is collecting your
personal information and selling it.
Your name, your phone number, your
address, old addresses, people related
to you. It's like LinkedIn but for
stalkers. And that's why I use Incogn.
Incogn data brokers for you and requests
that your personal information be
removed from their databases. So instead
of me spending my weekends emailing 42
companies I've never heard of, Incogn
does the work and keeps following up.
And if you want to take back some
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annual plan because your [music] privacy
should not be declassified. Yeah, I I
thought I would I had been drugged
because as I
>> because the the the hotel room key thing
at the ATM to me signals like, oh, you
were with some people that were like
drugging you, trying to get you to pull
money out for them, but you had your
hotel key and you you didn't really know
what was going on,
>> but all I had was my hotel key.
>> Exactly.
>> And and I I vaguely remember someone
interfering with that interaction. Uh
maybe a a security guard or something. I
mean, I've gone on Google Earth and I
went back to Mexico and I looked at the
area and I can there this one image of
these two silver escalators that go up
and these plants on the right hand side.
Okay.
>> And at the top of those escalators,
there's an ATM in an old mall, an
outdoor mall.
>> That's the one.
>> And that's the that's the only image I
have of my abduction. So, it's it's a
little bit lackluster. But the really
interesting stuff is what h happens
next. So, I go back home and my friends
think it's hilarious that I missed a day
and
>> that you were potentially drugged,
kidnapped.
>> It turns into a story, right? You go
out, you're like, "Hey, why don't you
tell everyone about that time you like,
you know, uh took off for a day in
Mexico?" And I'm like, "I not, you
know," and they're taking the piss out
of me. But the really messed up thing is
is I started hearing um voices and
I didn't know what to do. I thought,
"Okay, I've gone off the deep end,
right?" So, I did what any normal person
would do. I went to a psychiatrist
and started talking to him. But the
voices weren't doing what the
psychiatrist thought voices should do,
and definitely not what I thought voices
should do, is they started taking the
piss out of me. They started asking me
like, "Why would you drive your dog to
the dog park to go for a walk? I can see
in your fridge. I can see you eat meat.
Why do you eat meat? Commanding me to go
on the internet and look at the Canadian
budget when it dropped. Um asking me how
often I play pay my employees. Um how do
I decide how much I pay them? Um all of
these really weird questions. Questions
to to problems or questions to
situations that I already knew the
answer to. And I started challenging
them like trying to do math like what's
the square root of pi? Let me pump it in
the calculator so that I can validate
that you exist. But they started
teaching me then they started teaching
me stuff. And so before we get there um
these voices are they auditory are they
audible voices or are they
you know what I mean? Are are these like
actual male or female voices with
English words?
>> Yes. And but it comes with um it comes
with a picture. So they they communicate
in a language of memes. And so there's a
visual aspect to this. And if I close my
eyes, it can be in inside my head,
inside a space that opens up inside your
head. Or I could look at a wall and it
could be on a wall and they they've
learned how to project it onto a wall.
So when you say memes, now obviously
people are going to hear that and be
like, "Oh, this guy's joking." Like I
mean, were they communicating memes?
He's sending you memes. Um, but what do
you mean by memes? It's like a visual
language. So if you're trying to um
>> the memes is an analogy.
>> An my earth bridge to
>> it's not actual like the the the troll
frog or anything like it's not that type
of meme.
>> No, no, no, no. It's none of our memes.
Like um if someone is not very smart,
there would be a pipe of light and then
the light would then be closed off to
just a very small dribble because
intelligence is light. Your brain is
reflecting light all over the place. And
so to refle to imply that someone is
stupid,
>> say they're dim
>> to say that they're dim, [clears throat]
right? Um so that would be the type of
meme or a threedimensional graph of how
something would change like um using a
bell curve to represent a leadership
model, but then putting a little dip in
it to say that the leader is stupid. Um
so they're they're three-dimensional
objects in space, but they're also
three-dimensional objects in language
because a picture can be a thousand
words. And so they communicate these
beautiful ideas um in their virtual
reality space. And when she was first
teaching me,
>> you said she
>> she it was a female voice that first
came to me uh and talking to me. And um
when I was learning their their
language, she would try to communicate a
complicated
um word like maybe desire. And then when
I got the word right, she would blink it
twice. And she would do that multiple
times, multiple times until I learned
how to read their language. Um,
and during that process, I learned a
whole bunch of stuff. They started
teaching me all kinds of really
interesting things. I remember um one
time early on in the interaction. Um,
and and they like to try to um brainwash
people. They love trying to convince
people of stuff that's not real. That's
one of their favorite things that they
can do. Um, and so they were trying to
sell me and they like to use religion as
a uh lever to induce belief in people.
And one of the problems with me and I
think one of the reasons that separates
me from different people is I'm a true
atheist. Never believed in God. I don't
believe in God. I don't believe in an
afterlife. I don't believe in anything.
I think where the place before death is
that space where you weren't born and
then when you die you go there and they
tried to sell me multiple religions
throughout my interaction. Um one of
them being Hinduism another one being uh
Buddhism uh and they tried multiple
things Christianity.
>> What do you mean they tried multiple
things like this is um
>> with through visions?
>> Okay.
>> So like
>> when when do you get these?
>> Um it depends. Right now it happens all
the time. I talk to them all the time.
>> What's What's all the time?
>> Like all the time. Like anytime I want
to.
>> Really? Yeah. Right now?
>> Sure.
>> Okay. How can is there any way we can
test this?
>> Um there is, but it takes um it takes a
setup. I have an open
>> Can we like ask you a question or
something? Is it like channeling?
>> Um I mean you could ask a question. I
don't know if they would answer.
>> Okay.
>> Because they don't decide. They're their
own entity. they they decide if they're
going to participate or not. But my
girlfriend will interact with them
sometimes cuz she's very
>> um open to all of this and accepting of
all of this. She's been a great
supporter in in my life and she's seen
>> uh in real time the effects of this and
seen the interactions and the the
electronic harassment. And so for her
it's very real like it is to me. Like
it's not a question of maybe. It's like
no, this is for sure happening.
>> But it's for sure a question of maybe to
everyone listening. Mhm.
>> Um, and that's what I want to kind of
jump over somehow.
>> Um, you you all based on the information
that you were given, you're also um, you
know, not to jump too far ahead, but you
you you were given instructions on how
to build something.
>> Yeah. Well, I've not exactly
instructions on how to build something.
I've been taught. So through our
conversations there is um
there's an idea uh I can't remember what
it's called when you get kidnapped and
you uh get this familiar association
with uh your abductor.
>> Yeah.
>> Um but that can go in two directions.
And so there a a familiarity
presented itself or became um
through this familiarity we would have
conversations. We would um have deep
philos philosophical conversations. It
would start with them taking the piss
out of me about how dumb this leader is
and how dumb that situation is or how
dumb it is for us to do XYZ. And then we
would get into a philosophical or
sociological conversation about it. And
I would defend our systems and our
methods trying to like explain how it
works. And then and then through that
like being in a room with someone who's
really smart, I would learn
>> because I would be wrong. And so then
they would teach me stuff directly. They
taught me um lots of stuff as the
experience went on because it's been
like 15 years. Um and so
it's it's been a it's been a journey.
They didn't start off teaching me stuff.
They started off just trying to to get
me to believe in a religion so that they
could monitor me, make fun of me. Um
they talked openly about like uh there's
that movie um where they uh have the
award zombie killer of the year um where
they the big piano like falls on
somebody.
>> Zombie Land.
>> Zombie Land. Yeah. And they they kill
somebody with the piano. They have a
similar kind of thing but not killing
people but like brainwashes. So they
convince someone that they're talking to
their dog and that becomes a a canned
experience that they then send home and
everybody laughs. Or they'll convince
>> Well, so they're Wait, they're they
actually they have humor.
>> Oh, they have they're they're some of
the funniest people I've spent time
with. Their ability to uh uh come up
with a quick
>> uh piss take or make fun of something or
like a meme, their memes are hilarious
in real time. like I'll I have to stop
myself in public from laughing out loud
because we'll be having some great
conversation about who knows what and
then I'll just like bust a gut laughing.
Um and I've shared some with my
girlfriend and she thinks they're
they're funny too.
>> Okay, so let's
>> let's slow down here. This is a lot of
information for everybody and and I'm
sure you understand this.
>> Absolutely. Um, you know, this is,
you know, the way that the audience and
myself even uh are going to perceive
this is one of two ways. Obviously, way
number one is, holy [ __ ] this guy's
talking to aliens and we're getting
firstirhand knowledge. And the second
side of this coin is
something else is at play.
>> Mhm. Whether it's
I don't know whether it's someone
messing with you or some entity messing
with you. And I don't mean entity in the
extraterrestrial sense, but like CIA or
like that type of stuff. You know,
they're holding an MK Ultra trial today
at the they're doing a congress a
congressional hearing on MK Ultra right
now as we speak. Um,
and there have been experiments
done to people through the MK Ultra
program which is in line with a lot of
this stuff which um, you know, trying to
convince them of things. They they even
had uh I remember they were trying to
when they were working with this
magician John Mhulland in the 50s, they
were planning on how to sort of usurp or
overthrow uh the Cuban government and
Fidel Castro and and by undermining his
power by projecting like the mother Mary
in the sky and there were all sorts of
wild fantastical things but you know
leave it up to them to come up with
these you know cruel jokes. Has it ever
crossed your mind that that might be
happening?
>> Absolutely. I've been open to any
solution for the entire time that this
has gone on. Um but like I I went to see
multiple psychiatrists. Um
>> Yeah, you showed me the papers.
>> Yeah. They they they're like there's
nothing there's nothing wrong with you.
Like you're a normal balanced
individual. Um but when it first started
happening to me, um I'm I'm an atheist.
I'm a scientist. I want to understand
what's going on with me. I'm not into
the woo at all. Um, and so when it
started happening, I took it from the
frame that I was crazy. I attacked it
like I was crazy. I thought I was crazy.
And through this experience, I've
gathered enough evidence objectively to
support the fact that it's not. Um,
>> and that's what drove you to go get
psychiatric help and evaluations, which
you've done multiple times.
>> Multiple times. You had 12 sessions with
one doctor and then three sessions with
another correct and they've all cleared
you of any
>> uh psychological trouble. They they did
say that you did deal with some
traumatic event.
>> Uh but um and there was a concussion
involved as well. I think I read
>> a car accident.
>> A car accident. Yeah. Um but they said
that no, you're completely cleared of
any, you know, there's there's nothing
wrong with you.
>> Yeah. Um, so when it first started
happening to me, I would have my stress
would be squeezed at work way over
amplified. And I started having these
like stomach problems. And that's what
led me down this road, which is why I
started trying to figure out what was
wrong with me because it was
uncomfortable. And so I needed a motive
to um deal with it.
>> And so I remember one time I'm driving
home from work and I swerved in my car.
Just a quick little move. there was a
dog or something was on the road and all
of the stuff that I was going through
waned like it just was gone and then a
half a second later it was back and I
was like wait a second and that was the
moment that I saw the first [ __ ] in the
armor. Um because it didn't make sense
to me that it would just suddenly dip.
So, okay, great. I'm gathering
information. and I'm taking my dog for a
walk in the park and I go underneath the
bridge and it attenuates. I come out
from the bridge, it comes up. I go back
under the bridge, it attenuates.
Interesting. I go to the pool, randomly
happen to go to the pool, dive down to
the very bottom of the pool, the
signal's almost gone. My stomach feels
good. My head's not buzzing. Everything
feels amazing. So, I come back up. Very
interesting. I go to my house. I go to
the basement. And I go to the four
corners of my basement to check to see
if it's coming from the side cuz the
concrete should block it. The concrete
bridge was blocking it. The concrete
should block it.
So I go to the corners. Nothing
underneath concrete works great. So I
sell my house and I move into a
condominium with multiple layers of
concrete above me. And that move from my
house into that building is what stopped
all of the negative aspects of this. Cuz
we hear of people who have been abducted
and some people have got really
wonderful amazing things to say and some
people have really terrible and horrible
things to say about their experience and
what they've gone through. But because
my experience was negative, it drove me
to find answers. And because I I was
able to isolate that it was coming from
above and I was also able to isolate
that it was happening um that it was
following me around by I could pump the
brakes in the car and and after that
swerve I started messing around. So I
pump the brakes in the car and the
signal would go away for a second and
then it would go away for a second and
then after a while that wouldn't work
anymore. I'm laying at home at night and
I'm trying to sleep and they're buzzing
my head and this is still back in the
wooden house. And so I bought one of
those um EEG headbands. It's called a
muse. And I put it on my head while this
is happening and a witnesses to witness
all this stuff that's going on. And the
amplitude of the EEG is outside the
level of what the machine can read. And
that not by like a little bit by like
four or five times what the machine is
designed to read. So, how does the how
does how does my skin surface of my skin
get that charged? It doesn't make any
sense. So, something else has to be
going on and it's in and it's in
alignment with the with the buzzing
that's going on in my head and the
suffering and the stuff that I'm going
through at the time. So, it's it becomes
a linear thing. So, then I learned I
learned that there's a signal
interacting with me. I learned that it's
interacting with my brain. I went to the
hospital and I'm like, "Okay, like let's
see if there's something wrong with me."
So, I checked myself in and uh they did
blood tests, like they did the whole
battery blood. They did every blood test
that you can find to do and everything
came back clean. They put me in a in um
a professional uh EEG machine and I fell
asleep. The signal went off, my stomach
felt great, and I went to sleep. So, I
knew that something was interacting with
me intelligently. They can turn it on,
they can turn it off. They know that
we're going to test for it. They don't
want us to be able to find it. That's
something that I've heard from multiple
abduction witnesses where
they would think about
getting their implant removed
and they would, you know, book a date
with a doctor and say, "Okay, on
Wednesday, and it's Monday, on
Wednesday, I'm going to get this
removed." Well, on Tuesday, they would
have missing time. And then on
Wednesday, there's nothing left to
remove. And this happens with uh
pregnancies as well with um ladies who
report that they wanted to get an
abortion
uh from from a ghost pregnancy. They
shouldn't be pregnant. They're old, you
know, too old to be pregnant or didn't
have intercourse and they're showing all
the signs of pregnancy and then when
they call the doctor and take a take an
appointment, they have missing time
>> and then it goes away.
>> Um so that's not completely unheard of.
>> No. And throughout my experience, I'm
going through all this stuff and I have
a psychiatrist who I'm going to see and
I'm talking about all this stuff and I'm
telling them all these anomalies. Um, I
have electronic harassment following me
around. People are logging into my
stuff, CIA level stuff.
>> Yeah, I've seen that. And for for the
audience at home, you know, a lot of
that is personal information, which we
won't show. Um, but you there were
several times where like your computer
was logged into a friend's Facebook page
which you don't have access to. Um, and
then the timestamps didn't make sense
like when you
>> when you caught it.
>> Yeah.
>> The timestamps were different and you
you have receipts of all this and you
texted your friend,
>> hey, did you log into my computer? And
he was like, no, I had no idea what
you're talking about. And uh and so you
have this evidence.
>> I have piles of it
>> that there is something.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I got MIT physics training
data dumped into my computer on my D
drive. I came home from uh work one day
and my D drive was full. A little red.
It was red. I'm like that's like I was
at work all day. What the hell? So, I
look and I take it all out and I
[snorts] bet a copy of it and I started
uploading it into the uh GPTs and it's
and there's like hacking programs and um
and in one of the files they're all
sequential. There's like 22,000 files in
my uh in my D drive and they're all
sequential. They go up by by two numbers
and they're copies of each other. So,
inside each file there's two copies and
then so I just started random. I mean,
how do you go through 22,000 files? he
can't. So, I just started grabbing some
and uploading them. And one of them it
said, "This is MIT physics training
data." Uh, and and that you should not
have this on your computer. And I was
like, "Yeah, no kidding. I have pictures
of people I've never met." Um, little
>> Yeah. on your phone. And
>> yeah, little pixies or or little um um
uh files uh called like alien lightning.
Um all kinds of stuff that you could
that would be contextual when you have a
frame. Um, but just piles and piles of
stuff. I have a picture um on my I have
a picture somewhere where I've got I
laid out all of my hard drives and all
my computers and all my phones and all
my stuff that's been hacked through cell
phone providers through countries. I
changed like five or six different cell
phone providers. I changed countries. I
changed my home supplier. I deleted my
Google accounts. I deleted all my social
media accounts. Remade them over and
over and over and over again. uh trying
to get rid of this. One time I went to
the to the mall and I had the guy make
me a a burner phone and I didn't tell
I'm like just put a name in, just put a
address in, just do it. I don't even
want to know the phone number. And it
took him 3 days to break the phone and I
had no knowledge of what it was. So it
objectively this is some random phone
that belongs to someone who doesn't
exist. Why would anyone penetrate it? It
doesn't even make sense. The motive to
penetrate that phone is zero. right
there. So, the only way that there's a
motive to penetrate that phone is
through me and through my first person
because I didn't even know about it. So,
really really interesting um
um evidence
>> to support the electronic harassment.
>> You you brought this to the authorities.
>> Yeah, I did. I have I have three police
files um over three different times. Um,
and when I talked to the Mounties, cuz
we're in Canada, the professional who
came in who handles it the last time I I
talked to somebody, he's like, "I've
been doing this for 25 years. I've never
seen anything even close to what you
have, and that was only one file. I only
gave him like a third of the stuff
because it was only the stuff relevant
since the last two files." So there's a
whole bunch of objective
um evidence to support my situation and
what's going on. So something something
is for sure that can't be countered that
something is happening to me. Like it
something is definitely going on because
I have
>> whether it's Yeah. Whether it's like a
an agency or these
you know
extraterrestrials with a sense of humor.
Um,
I want to talk a little bit more about
before we move on to these entities
because you have for me what's, you
know, and and I'm sure for a lot of the
listeners, what's really fun [laughter]
in all of this is that you do have like
a clear vivid picture of who these
entities are,
>> what the purpose is, where they're from,
why they're here, like all the answers
that all of us have been seeking in
terms of uh extraterrestrial engagement.
and you seem to have all these answers
um really neatly laid out, which I'm
excited to get into because I'm a big
fan of lore when it comes to this stuff
and a lot of people seem to provide uh
these plot hole filling um compartments
of of lore uh to explain everything. I
had someone here, Eric Nansteel, who's a
uh you know, he had his own theories
about what happened to their planet and
why they're here now. And then there's,
you know, um, somebody named Michael
Horn who, you know, spreads sort of the,
uh, the story, uh, of Billy Meyer and
his contact reports. And everybody has,
everybody seems to have their own brand
of
this is actually what's going on.
>> And so I'm really excited to hear yours.
>> Um, but before that, yes.
>> Can we talk about the prototype?
>> Sure. Um,
>> so you're you have you've gathered this
information from them.
>> Yeah.
>> Their their teachings or what have you
and you're starting to replicate or
build
uh something based on their technology.
I have several different uh prototype
designs that I'm currently working on um
putting to physical and putting into
physical existence to then test and
validate uh through multiple different
versions or different uh ideas of their
technology that really bridges the gap
between where we're at and where they're
at.
>> And what's what is that? What is that
like?
>> What bridges the gap? One of them is
their uh antenna, their ability to
manipulate light down to the photon. So
they can control a photon not only
individually as a photon the way the
photon exists, but they can control it
in the in in its in its planer
existence. So they can uh they can
polarize it. So they can send out a a a
Y plane polarized
uh photon single photon of any frequency
of light that they want to which is how
they're able to disappear from radar and
they're able to disappear from sight and
they're able to disappear from whatever
because the surface of their ship has
got all of these little tiny
programmable scale antennas on it in
three dimension that allow them to
manipulate light in all of its form. So
they could you so they can they can
control its phase and its polarity. So
our radar systems which send the signal
out and then ask for a reflection. They
can control their reflections like it
controls its rebounds. It everything
that comes into the thing gets absorbed
and then they can they can send out
whatever they want to. And uh I think a
lot of people understand that as
cloaking and the only way you can
achieve cloaking is if you absorb all
light and then you control what comes
out.
>> Uh and they've achieved that state. And
that's how they're uh able to do a lot
of the illusions that they like to do.
Some stuff is real. Absolutely. Some
stuff that they do is illusions. It's
really easy if you can control. Imagine
if you had cloaking and you wanted to
fly into a mountain or make it look like
you were going to fly into a mountain.
It would be really easy. Especially as a
magician, you can appreciate that.
>> Sure.
>> Right. So, you could create that
illusion and through sensor data and
through all kinds of stuff
>> disappearing or
>> by just disappearing. And to anybody who
wasn't aware that that was possible,
yeah, that would look like magic.
>> That like the the the tic tac that um
was it Fraver? Colonel Fraver was it? Um
uh who the pilot saw this tic tac sort
of appear and then reappear elsewhere?
Like how do we know that that's not two
tic tacs simultaneously appearing and
reappearing instead of just one? Is that
kind of what you're saying?
>> Exactly. So they they love to um they
love to be trickster. They love they
have a sense of humor. Their sense of
humor is probably stronger than ours. Um
they like to have fun and make fun of
things and do things that are funny. And
to them dominating the government or
having them all have a you know imagine
the president is calling um the leader
of uh China. I'm not sure if he's a I
don't know what his title is, but he's
calling it the leader of China and
they're talking about this false
narrative that they've managed to
create. So, our highest power is now
having this discussion about their
brainwash. And they think that that's
hilarious because we're not smart enough
to figure out what's going on. And so,
they love to flex that higher level
intelligence to each other as a
validator to say like, "Look at how
smart we are." We do the same thing. We
have that same similar culture where we
like to associate or validate with each
other our success like we're really cool
and that kid's not is something that we
see present itself all over the place.
So it's very easy um for us to see that
as a behavioral
um path [clears throat] for another
entity to evolve on another planet
because it's a very social thing to do.
>> So okay let's get into it. Where are
they from?
>> So, they left um a star map and and and
>> this is them telling you this, by the
way. All this information that you're
telling me,
>> they told me for sure.
>> And and they're allowing you to talk
about this somehow.
>> Now, they're allowing me to talk about
this. The reason that it's been 15 years
is cuz for a long time they they weren't
allowing me to through my electronic
harassment. They were blocking me from
reaching out to anyone. Um, they did all
kinds of filtering on what information I
was allowed to get out, which is why I
opened you open this conversation at
Contact in the Desert because a first
person conversation can't be interfered
with.
>> Mhm.
>> Um, but in our conversations, they told
me where they're from, and they're not
they're not shy about any of this stuff.
They if you once you know how their
world works and how to read their
language, their three-dimensional
language, everything is just out there
for you to see and interpret. So for
example, the pyramids of Giza.
>> Well, before we get to the pyramids,
where are they from? I want to start I
want to start with their origin because
>> that's the key.
>> Oh, okay. That's the key is the pyramids
of Giza were positioned on earth at the
center of all land mass
but also at the uh longitude or latitude
whatever it is I can't remember um of
the speed of light. The speed of light
is a function of the meter. You cannot
understand the speed of light or write
it as a as a speed without the meter.
The the Egyptians very clearly
understood what the meter was. And the
meter is the distance around our planet
divided by the the amount of the
distance uh light travels in a second.
So the speed of light is encoded into
the pyramids. And there's you can do a
huge deep dive on how incredibly
mathematically
um relevant the pyramids are. There's
lots of people that do huge deep dives
into it. So, it's an intentional object
and it's a star map. And I think what a
lot of people are missing is
they're they're they're positioned on
the ground to look like Orion's belt,
but Orion's belt is backwards.
>> Yeah. It's kind of reflecting Orion's
belt.
>> It's reflecting Orion's belt. But if you
live in space and you're a creature in
space, if you line up Orion's belt
on top of those, so if you look from
behind Orion's belt and you look at the
planet, you see that the the pyramid of
Giza is a star map that goes to their
planet and it's time locked. There's the
one dimension that on the summer
solstice at the rise of Leo, um, you can
only see the the the what would it be?
the the fifth dimension of the pyramid,
that little indent. On that day, on that
day, when everything is lined up, it's a
star map. And the the Queen's Chamber is
a representation, a meme if you will, of
through the void to around a corner and
down back to their planet. And so, it's
a whole
star map of where they came from.
>> And what is their planet? Do we know?
>> Do we don't know the name?
>> I don't know the name. I don't know how
to
reverse. I'm not I'm not an astronomer.
I don't know how to go after that data
to validate that and andor how to
calculate the distances of what they
are. But
>> where they're from doesn't really matter
because nobody lives there anymore.
>> So finding that place would just be like
finding fingerprints, right? It would be
like uh um finding evidence of someone
existing before. But they'll just tell
us way before we have a chance to ever
go there because they're here. They're
here. It doesn't make sense for them to
be interacting with us unless they're
here.
>> So why are they not home anymore? Why
are they not at their planet?
>> So they told me, and this is just a
natural progression of logic for any
species. Um, a species needs energy. We
use energy. We use hydrocarbons. We use
wind energy. We use dams and
electromagnetics to generate uh majority
of what we use for power.
But at a certain point, you run out of
hydrocarbons and your technology
advances and you figure out how to push
two atoms together to create helium. You
push two hydrogen atoms together to
create helium. And you eventually, we're
working on it right now, you discover
fusion. But fusion isn't the beall
endall. It's just basically hydrocarbons
on another scale because every time you
take hydrogen and you push it together,
you never have hydrogen again. Now you
have helium. So it's a non-renewable
resource. So then the question gets
floored and we will have this question
floored at some point in our journey.
Where are we going to get the hydrogen
from? Are we going to take it from the
ocean? Are we going to lose a foot, 2
feet, 3 feet, 10 feet, and then go, hey,
where are we going to get the hydrogen
from? Maybe. Are we going to have the
foresight to see? Who knows?
But at some point, you're going to have
to go and get hydrogen from somewhere.
So then you start looking to space.
And in space,
planets, some really special planets
called gas giants have done the work for
you.
And so Jupiter is a if you use the
earth's ocean which is an astronomical
amount of volume right like imagine the
whole all the water on the earth as a
unit a single unit
>> Jupiter has half a million earth oceans
of liquid hydrogen on it that is enough
energy to last us I asked grock to do
the math and I think it's 1* 10 the 34th
power
>> wow
>> years at our current energy rate
assuming a 50% % burn rate on fusion
like a like if you can get 50% of the
energy out of a fusion reaction which is
like astronomical when you start looking
at the universe as a space fairing
species like the conversations I had
like the astronomy that they taught me
all the stars in the galaxy are not
they're not all orbiting at the same
speed
to 70% of stars are in binary or trinary
systems which means that eventually they
catch up to each other and then they get
locked
And when they get locked, the planets,
there's a a a TV show, Threebody
Problem. We haven't solved the
three-body problem. There is no solution
to the three-body problem. That show
happens to be about aliens. Coincidence?
Probably not. But so if if the planets
with if if every star that gets locked
into a binary trinary system loses its
planets, that means that planets if you
push the timeline far enough forward
like a space fairing species would,
planets are not a home that is
sustainable.
So, if you're willing to leave your home
and move your species to space, then
you're going to go to where? Like, why
would you haul hydrogen somewhere
arbitrarily and you would just go to the
hydrogen? It makes way more sense. So,
when they were on their planet and
they're looking out in the galaxy, they
saw our system. And our system is very
unique. Um, it has four gas giants. Some
have one. We we're learn now learning
more and more about how to identify
planets and how to um you know see what
they are and what they're made of and
it's very early early astronomy. But um
once you figure out
once you figure out that gas giants are
the solution they decided to move here.
And as that being a linear progress of
logic, they assumed because when they
got here, they found us. They didn't
know that we were here. When they did
their astronomy from however far away it
was to here, they couldn't see us.
Rewind the clock. 25,000 years, 20,000
years, 15,000, however long that was,
cuz it took them a long time to get
here. We didn't have radios. Even if we
did, they wouldn't have had time to get
there, even traveling at the speed of
light. So there's no way that they would
have even known that we were here. So
they came here for the gas giants for a
solution to their energy needs for
millions of years.
And so when they got here and they
discovered us, they were like, "Wow, who
are these little monkeys running around
on this planet? Now we know that there's
life in the universe." So they built the
pyramid as a marker not for us to
understand but for the other life that
they predicted would come to our solar
system because it's unique and it has
four gas giants.
So once you learn how to read
their memes and once you learn how they
think and you understand their frame, a
lot of the holes that you mentioned
start to fill themselves in just by
being the simplest and easiest and most
logical answer.
>> Does that make sense?
>> Yeah, for sure. Um,
okay. So out of necessity to survive,
they found us. Uh they found this
planet, they found the solar system, and
now they come here, they discover us.
What's the point of them doing what
they're doing? Why don't they just move
on? Why don't they just grab our water
and get out of here? What are they what
do they get out of quote unquote messing
with us? So they're not here for our
water. They're here for the hydrogen
stores in Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus,
whatever.
And they've been here for a long, long
time. We can see evidence of them
interacting with us all the way back to
Aztec, them being the gods. Um, uh, it's
all over the place. They gave us, they
showed us the the summer solstice and
the winter solstice so that we knew when
to build crops, right? Um, they came
here and they saw that we were
struggling to survive. They started
doing some science on us and they
figured out that holy crap, these
monkeys are really smart, but they don't
have any tools. Well, why don't they
have any tools? And when they got here,
we had just ended an ice age. And
ice ages have this really interesting
aspect to them, like a um sociology
aspect that I think a lot of people
don't really comprehend. So, as the ice
progresses down towards the equator, the
amount of land mass that is habitable
that's above zero decreases. And so, all
of the life on planet Earth has to
compete to survive for the amount of
vegetation that can grow in that tiny
band. And so, being aggressive, being
strong, being dominant survives. That's
uh the theory of evolution, right? Um,
>> sure.
>> That's Darwin's idea of how all life
exists. Yeah.
>> So, if we accept that as a valid piece
of information,
>> we throughout our history get reset on
this huge massive
intergalactic scale where our planet
goes through these cycles. And we we can
go through the ice records and we can
see that we go through these cycles of
ice ages over and over and over again.
And every time it washes out our ability
to create tools, to create writing, to
create all of this stuff.
>> So they gave us these gifts. They gave
us a little bump, a little push. Here
you go.
>> Which was the solstice.
>> Which was the solstice. So we knew or
>> the information of the solstice. Yeah.
>> We knew when to plant crops.
>> We knew when to do that. And they gave
us the calendar of that through the
Mayan calendar, right?
>> And so that that Mayan calendar was
reset in 2012 or when whenever it was.
Um, and that was when our our our system
goes through is a full reset of the of
the procession cycle, which is one of
the four cycles in our ice age cycle.
And the four
>> combine to decide how deep
>> the ice age is in a given time. So they
came here and they saw us, but they knew
how smart we were were. And they did a
whole bunch of tests on us and they they
they they abducted us and they were
like, "How smart?" Like we do that with
monkeys. Can it learn sign language? Can
it learn? We'll give it
>> uh
>> and that's the point of the chips.
>> No, we're getting to that.
>> Okay.
>> But they have those monkeys and and
they'll they'll they'll give them a a
board and it'll have 20 numbers on it
and they'll flash it for like a tenth of
a second and they'll be at the 10.
>> The monkeyy's touching them all so
quickly.
>> My brain is like I can see four numbers
maybe and Monkeyy's just like nothing.
>> Pull up that video here so people can
see. But it is I I it's astounding. I
had no idea that they had this like
idetic memory that they could just see
something for a second and remember a
sequence like we can't do that, right? I
mean, maybe if we train really hard, but
they have it innately, it seems.
>> Yeah. So, they they did tests on us and
they had philosophical conversations
with us and they had all these things
and they're like, "How are you this
smart?" Because they went through a
different evolution. How are you this
smart
>> and you don't have tools and language?
And so they gave us a little push. And
so they've been here interacting with us
because they're studying us. They know
us better than we know ourselves. And
the reason for that, the single motive
for that is very easy for us to relate
to. Security.
They came here. This is their solar
system. It's their energy. It's the way
that they survive. It's their We fight
wars over oil and gas all the time. So
they anticipate at one point through
giving us a boost, they knew that we
were going to get into space. They knew
that we were going to figure out the
atom. They knew that we were going to do
all this stuff. And so they are holding
a position which I 100% support. We are
not hardline going to allow humans to
fight us with interstellar energy.
Period. So, we have to figure out a way
to get along, to communicate, to not
fight, to come up with a way that plenty
works because energy creates plenty. You
can talk Elon Musk talks about robots
and universal income and all of these
things and how when we have more robots
than people, what are people going to
do,
>> right? And so, plenty is coming.
We haven't done a lot of the sociology
or the philosophy and we don't celebrate
those spaces.
>> Yeah.
>> To soft sciences
>> to really have a game plan of what that
even looks like. Our leadership's they
don't even talk about it. They're not
even like, oh, what are we going to do
when the robots do all the jobs? They're
just like, oh, we'll figure it out. Are
you saying when
AI becomes sentient or when we hit that
max peak of AI where everything starts
becoming public domain and
>> you're saying that they went through
that already?
>> Well yeah I mean we can see this with
our AI and their AI is better than our
AI but um
>> AI starts to take all the skills. So
people our smartest person let's say
they have 200 IQ right eventually the AI
will have a thousand IQ or it'll have
2,000 IQ or 10,000 IQ and we our
intelligence becomes irrelevant.
>> The difference between my intelligence
and your intelligence or Steve's
intelligence matters zero because the
delta is very small relative to the AI's
2000
>> IQ.
>> So all skills and all knowledge
basically become deprecated. They become
obsolete. [clears throat]
And so in a state like that where
there's a real true state of plenty like
I can just want something and the
computer will just make it for me. I
don't even have to think about it.
>> We don't have to understand how it
works. We don't have to Yeah.
>> Nothing. I just like I want a new camera
and boom, I have a new camera.
>> It changes the way that everything
works. And energy becomes the single by
like a huge gap
um bottleneck in your society. And so it
needs to be protected. And we don't have
a history. We can't share. We We don't
share stuff. Countries that don't have
oil and gas are third world countries.
>> Yeah.
>> We're not like, "Oh, here you go, poor
little country, have some oil and gas."
We're like, "No, no, no. Pay the bill."
Right. So, we haven't proven to
ourselves, let alone someone else, that
we can even be good neighbors.
>> So, they're here. The chips are in
people to collect data. Data to drive an
algorithm which is a AI representation
of humanity or a vectorred version of
humanity in its in is in its
>> that can be predicted that can be
>> conversed with.
>> Yeah. conversed with, but also that can
be used to yeah predict our behavior and
and respond to perhaps some of our
hostility
>> or our um shortcomings
>> in uh
>> and the chip that you have, by the way,
we didn't talk about this before, but I
do want to mention this is in your lip.
>> It is. It's in my lip. Yeah, you can see
it with a flashlight.
>> And you've gotten it scanned multiple
times. Yeah, we have MRI. We have X-ray.
>> Uh there is clearly a physical object
there. What was interesting is that the
MRI that you brought showed like this
giant gaping hole in your chin.
>> Yeah.
>> Which doesn't make any sense because
clearly your chin's intact. It does not
have a giant hole in it.
>> But the MRI somehow
>> Yeah.
>> shows this big blotch.
>> MRIs are a magnetic resonation imaging
machine and so they use the magnetic
spectrum to interact with light. And if
you have a piece of metal in your face,
it will induce a magnetic field, but
that magnetic field from that object is
static. So let's say I have
>> doesn't fluctuate.
>> I have a piece of a Tonka truck.
>> Yeah.
>> Stuck in my face from when I was a kid,
right? That deflection would remain
constant throughout the scan.
>> Sure.
>> But on my scan, the intensity of the
magnetic field changes from image to
image to image magnitude.
um difficult to say. I haven't been able
to analyze it to that level of scrutiny.
Um the invitation is open. Yeah. If
somebody has the resources or the
ability to do something like that, I'm
totally uh open to um
>> external validation and sharing the data
that I have. So, um I do want to I do
want to find that out. But um it's it
shows and while the scan is going on,
they're taking the piss out of me of how
useless this is, how they're going to
interfere with the scan.
>> But that's your interpretation of it.
>> That's your interpretation
>> that they're taking the piss out of you?
>> No. No. They're they're literally
talking to me while I'm getting an MRI
done, talking about how they're screwing
with the machine through the device
that's implanted in my face.
>> You can't tell a doctor that.
>> No, [laughter]
>> I can't I can barely tell you that. You
can barely tell the audience that it's
it's difficult to
>> That sounds insane.
>> It does, but yet the image is there.
>> Yeah.
>> And
>> clearly
>> and the the the size of the the image is
changing. So, how do you explain it?
>> Yeah. I don't know. Um you had a surgeon
in Canada refused to take it out.
>> That's correct. And then you're trying
to are you actively pursuing them or are
you looking into uh perhaps why that
surgeon refused to do that or is there
any
>> Yeah, I mean that's a kind of a personal
uh thing and it goes deep into um some
stuff that I don't necessarily want to
talk about at this point,
>> but um I I am open to getting it
removed. I want ultimately to get it
removed. Um,
>> yeah, to study it and to have hard
evidence
>> to take it to the next level. But I've
been keeping it in my face because you
can't refuse its existence if it's still
there.
>> Right? As soon as it's out, they can
say, "Well, how do we know that that was
in your face?"
>> Everybody will say, "Well, chain of
custody." Well, the chain of custody has
been where it's been implanted in my
face the whole time.
>> So, you have you're getting you're
gathering all the information that you
can while it's in your body.
>> Yeah. before you extract it and have
sort of provenence of where that came
from.
>> Yeah. My my YouTube channel, I call it
maximal truth because I'm trying to and
I've tried to throughout this entire
experience be as objective,
>> just document everything
>> as I possibly can from an objective
perspective.
>> Yeah.
>> Where it isn't my opinion that it is
this, it is that it makes the most sense
if it is this. Mhm.
>> So, um I I'm going to continue along
that path. I would love support and help
in that direction. People who have the
ability to do tests, to validate stuff,
who can check and do all of these things
because to have one person carry this
alone is a is a big ask.
>> Is it magnetic? No, it is um but only as
a reflection of its ability to absorb
and emit light which is on the uh
gigahertz or millimeter spectrum which
happens so fast that normal electronics
can't pick it up. You need a you need a
>> you can't put a magnet to it. It won't
stick.
>> It happens too fast. So it just comes
across as neutral
>> because it's it's oscillating way way
way too too fast.
>> Wild.
>> Mhm.
>> Do you feel it? No.
>> So crazy. I've had a few people send me
their X-rays as well and it's a very
tiny object. Um, but it's in your lip,
not in your jaw. Correct.
>> 2.17 millimeters and it's in the it's in
the skin. It's in my lip. I think it's
on this side. I don't remember. And I
also have um more evidence. the there's
two gray patches on my head where and
this is 100% speculation me just trying
to put the pieces together but when I
went outside the restaurant I think from
an invisible position behind me two
intersecting lasers
for overcharged my pawns which is part
of my brain and rendered me unconscious
and these
>> like some type of directed energy
weapon.
>> Yeah. Yeah. like little lasers that are
designed to interact with the brain to
overstimulate it to cause a full wash
reset of the brain and I would and I
rendered me unconscious.
>> It's the same technology as they use for
crop circles and they told me is a
solution for um curing brain cancer. So
if you have two if you have multiple
lasers where they intersect like a wave
on the ocean if all the waves amplitudes
meet at the same spot you'll get a great
big wave. Yeah. If they meet in a way
that cancels, you'll get you'll get
nowhere. And you can do the same thing
with light, but you have to be able to
control the start point. So, you have to
be able to control the start point so
that you can get the phase shift right
because you have to have the light
amplify at the same spot.
>> Sure.
>> So that it creates a um a microwave in
the cop. In the case of crop circles,
they use a microwave laser intersecting
and then it just goes and creates a a
pattern on the field.
>> Yeah. And you can do the same thing for
non-invasive surgery or non-invasive
brain cancer. And this is how they are
able to they live longer than we do.
They've done obviously their medical
system. We have I mean this thing hasn't
been rejected by my body. People report
being healed by them. All kinds of
stuff. So we know that their level of
medical um understanding is far more
advanced than us. And that's how they're
able to stay alive longer. So that's how
they're able to cure cancer is they just
kill they can interfere with their body
at the cellular level through light
non-invasively. And so they can just
kill cancer cells in the brain without
ever opening your brain.
>> That's very interesting. Do they um so
these are people? These are like
essentially they're Yeah, they're
extraterrestrial obviously, but they're
they're a physical person. They have
male and females
I speculate.
>> Okay, so that's a complicated question.
So they're absolutely
>> Well, gender is a spectrum, all that
stuff. But do they have like
reproductive organs?
>> Yes. And they're biological entities.
And the way that I know that they're
biological entities is because they make
mistakes. So they'll say something
silly. They'll put themselves in a
position where I can take the piss out
of them. They take the piss out of me.
We tease each other all the time. Um,
and a computer wouldn't make those kinds
of mistakes. It wouldn't have those
types of responses. and
they have absolutely have a filter on
the conversation that they're having and
they can control it to be anything. They
could make themselves sound like a
female. They can make themselves sound
like a they can make themselves sound
like the president. They can make
themselves sound like George Clooney.
Anyone they want to just like we can
>> and they can do it real time. So just
because I'm hearing a female voice
doesn't necessarily mean that it's a
female that I'm talking to because it
could be it could be the AI talking.
>> So you don't know.
>> I don't know. I can't validate that. But
I do know that they make mistakes. And I
do know that they've taught me all kinds
of stuff about physics and light and
astronomy and sociology and all of these
things that I want to now share with the
world cuz they're not it's not our
science. It's their science. But what so
they obviously don't want us to know
about them. Like that's their that was
their main thing, right, for like so
many years. And you know, you we talked
before the podcast and you explained to
me that they do have uh some type of
deal with the government that that is
real.
>> Um
let's talk about that. Let's talk about
Okay, so there's a meeting that happened
between them.
>> So I I disagree with the position that
it's them that want secrecy. We have no
evidence of that. In the Vatican,
there's thousands of years of reports of
them interacting with people. Yeah,
>> there's pictures of them on cave walls.
They built a pyramid on the planet.
>> They're not trying to
talked to them first after World War II
and all the noise and complication that
comes across that that whole rabbit hole
that you can go down and many people
watching had gone down that rabbit hole.
Um, they made a deal with our people.
Our people didn't want them to exist.
They didn't think that we could handle
it.
You got to remember the frame. Truman
just came out of World War II.
Eisenhower was a general in World War
II. They both of them had PTSD. Truman
dropped a bomb and vaporized a half a
million people. Imagine how that would
affect your your psyche, your ability to
like be a person still after fighting
the Nazis in Japan and all of that stuff
that they went through. It was a really
traumatizing time. And then, oh, by the
way, there's also aliens.
>> Mhm.
>> Right. And they're like, the last thing
we need after World War II is to have
this now existential threat on our
hands. We need time. We need time to
change our systems. We need time to
change our beliefs. We need time to do
all kinds of stuff.
>> That makes sense to me.
>> And so, they asked for time. Now, how
long? I don't know. uh they they're
forthcoming with me, but they're not
that forthcoming with me. And so, we've
changed our system. You used to uh
everything used to go through religion.
There was religion was on the on the
coin. Religion was on uh in court. Uh
and now we're trying to separate
religion from state. And it's been a
slow long slow process because I think
for a lot of people the idea or the
existence of aliens because of the way
that it's written and I'm not uh I'm not
religious at all. I I have never read
the Bible. I know nothing about any of
this stuff. Um so it's just whatever
whatever I can see from the outside
looking in. But um a lot of that a lot
of that was very closely tied because we
came from Europe and in Europe the the
Catholic Church was you know sistered up
with uh all of the heads of state
>> throughout the whole of Europe. And
>> so
>> up until the mid600s
>> religion has been a key pillar of power
on our planet for a very very very long
time.
>> Oh yeah. And so I think they wanted they
wanted to separate from that and they
wanted to give the public a chance to
accept it through movies like ET through
Independence Day through all of these
thought experiments that they put us
through so that when they do say it like
I think they're going to soon um when
they do say it people are like oh yeah
like now most people don't care. No,
they're sort of Yeah, there's a lot of
apathy and and sort of
um Okay, so they have this deal with the
government. They are, despite
everything, are keeping a secret.
They're not showing themselves overtly.
Um
why would they allow this? This seems
like it kind of undermines what they're
doing. Like I mean if you spend so many
resources on chipping, tracking, um data
collecting, you know, all these all of
this kind of hinges on secrecy.
If there's no secret secrecy or if we
start understanding exactly what their
motive is or where they're from or how
their technology works, I mean to me
that kind of undermines their security.
It it creates a flaw in their system
that we can now exploit. Why would they
allow you to talk about that so openly?
That boggles my mind. Like it it I I
feel like this is counterintuitive if
they're a very highly intelligent
species.
>> Yeah.
>> This wouldn't this wouldn't happen.
>> Well, they didn't want me to and they
blocked me from doing this for a very
long time.
>> They filtered my then communication.
They filtered all of my things. Well,
the government
>> the government is now disclosing.
>> So, you think it's because of the
government disclosing that they are
>> part of it? Have they told you so?
>> Uh yeah, we have discussions about it
all the time
>> about disclosure.
>> Mhm.
>> And what what's their thoughts on
disclosure?
>> It's not their idea. They haven't I I
still disagree with the frame that they
haven't been out there publicly. There
are thousands and thousands and
thousands of witnesses.
We, our teams, the CIA, the KGB, have
created a stigma to dismiss them
>> so that most people have the frame that
they aren't presenting themselves.
They're not
>> showing up on Time Square.
>> Yeah. The the evidence is
>> interacting with people like, "Hi,
>> the evidence is mainly anecdotal
mainly." Um,
>> how do we
you know what I mean? There's there's
I'm I'm sure there's many ways that we
can transcend the anecdotal stuff
instantly through communication.
>> Mhm.
>> Um whether that's breaking a formula
that we've been trying to break uh
something perhaps that maybe you're
working on.
>> Yeah.
>> Um
>> but they could do any of that within a
split second.
>> Yes.
>> Why don't they?
>> Because they have a deal.
>> With a deal with who? With the
government.
>> With with the the governments of our of
our planet. Okay.
>> They're they're they're giving us I
think a lot of people take it as a
disrespect, but it's actually inverted
from that. They're giving us a huge
amount of respect because our leadership
has made the decision that they don't
want people to know. And so they're
honoring that to a certain degree, but
only to a certain degree. They're only
going to give us as much as they decide
they're going to give us. And so they
have interactions and they test us.
There's a a moment in the three-body
problem where he's on the phone with
aliens and he's reading a story and he's
explaining lying and at the moment that
he says I'm a liar and the aliens are
like you're you lie and then they stop
talking. So as soon as you validate that
you lie, how do they how can they know
that what we're saying is the truth? So,
one of the reasons that they create that
great big AI and they're collecting all
this data from hundreds of thousands of
people with implants is so that they
know whether or not we're lying. They
have that data to validate that. So, as
much as it sucks to be a person with an
implant in it, we need it. We need it so
that we're not a threat. They need that
data so that they can ask the AI what
the truth is.
>> Because if if they go to the government
and we know that
>> they're going to get lied to,
>> right? Like there isn't a single honest.
>> Yeah. The data collection. No. Yeah. The
data collection stuff is really
interesting to me because I do feel like
after all is said and done and there are
no jobs and there you know there's
nothing left to to do like we figured it
out once we've really figured it out and
we can you know just like the holiday or
just like uh you know the the the little
thing that makes food in Star Trek. We
can do all of that eventually. What what
what's left? What is the commodity then?
if it's not gold and if it isn't money
and if it isn't water like it becomes
information data
>> and we're seeing that now like there is
a study
um recently that I looked at which the
number I forget what the number was but
essentially
I think this was uh Jeff Bezos who's
talking about this if I'm not mistaken
um but he voiced concerns
that we didn't have enough
clean water
to feed the AI servers that like the
cooling systems of the AI.
>> Mhm.
>> Um and that
we're going to essentially use our
consumable water.
>> Yeah.
>> As priority.
>> Mhm.
>> To feed these servers rather than
>> Yeah. to feed people who are dying of
dehydration
>> as a validation to the uh value of
information.
>> Exactly. Because it becomes a higher
priority.
>> It seems like that we're we're we're
directing we're prioritizing cooling
down these servers rather than giving
people water who need it.
>> Mhm. And so if you fast forward that,
you know, it becomes a very lucrative,
valuable and essential commodity
eventually is this data collection.
>> And that very point is the reason why
they interact with our nuclear stuff is
because they look at us and they're a
very I mean they're way more advanced
than us, right? They live in that
society that you're describing. So for
them to see us, they live in a state of
plenty. How could you make the decision
to have people that are that are like
you that don't have clean water? How
what's wrong with your brain?
>> Mhm.
>> Or your society or your sociology where
that's acceptable to you where you can
like be okay with that and like go out
for dinner with your friends
>> just the reason they took our toys away
>> while there's people on the other side
of the planet or somewhere else that
have nothing. Yeah.
>> They're living in the dirt. Like if
that's your acceptable behavior,
>> yeah, if that's your compass,
>> then you don't have you're not going to
be our neighbor because you're not going
to do that to us,
>> right? We're we needed to be violent.
Violence is in our DNA. It's a function
of the
uh ice age cycle. All of us, we have to
fight. We have to learn to fight. It's a
function of survival. Strong the
strongest survives, right? Survival of
the fittest. And we haven't turned the
camera or we haven't turned it back on
ourselves to start learning about h what
should we do? What how should we behave?
What is an objective way to be the best
human? What's the the most objective way
to be the best citizen of the universe?
>> Right.
>> Right. So
they need like it's it's really a
difficult situation, but they're giving
us a lot of respect because they're
listening to even though the the
leader's decision to wait, maybe not.
Maybe was, maybe wasn't. I don't have
the information that they had at the
time. I can see reflections of it. I can
see how they would make a decision like
that. They didn't agree with that
decision. They don't think that that's a
smart decision, but the leaders made the
decision. They wanted it certain amount
of time, so they gave it to them and
they're respecting it to a certain
degree within the confines of that deal.
And they break the deal just as much as
we break the deal. And so they're
communicating with our people to say
like, we know what's going on, right?
And all of these things that happen are
are conversations that they're having
with the deep state, with the powers
that be, with the people who are making
decisions at the highest level about
this that we're not even allowed to know
it exists, which to them also seems like
completely upside down. And to me
personally, it sound it's like insane
that we have creatures from another
world that have come here and have been
here for for so long. and the data is
irrefutable
and we're not allowed to know about
them. Like that just doesn't even make
any sense to me. Like why would you how
would you even accept that as like an
acceptable frame? Like it it I can't I
can't find the data to make that make
sense. Now I don't have all the data.
I'm not pretending to be like the person
who knows everything but um
>> yeah initially uh I read a document
somewhere which is really interesting
and it was uh it was proposing that the
reason we didn't want to divulge
the extraterrestrial
um sort of their existence to the public
is because their utopian society was
essentially built in a communist sort of
way.
>> Yeah.
>> Where everything's divided up equally.
>> Yeah.
>> And everyone has sort of equal share of
everything. And that was a huge threat
to us in the 40s and 50s. Communism.
>> Absolutely.
>> We wanted to shun the idea of communism
away from the the general western
public.
>> Yeah. uh because if they started un if
they started wanting communism just like
Russia had it or China or you know
Germany at the time um then the
capitalist society that the United
States was trying to build would
collapse. Yeah.
>> And so I thought it was interesting as a
proposed reason why there was no
disclosure in the 50s was well we're not
afraid that you won't understand aliens.
we're afraid that you'll want communism.
>> Yeah.
>> Um which I thought was interesting.
>> And they're absolutely fighting. I mean,
we can see it. They do it out in the
open for all of us to see. They're
fighting. There's a a big struggle
between which leadership model is the
best model. And like
>> they have this idea that there's only
two potential leadership models in the
universe and there couldn't be a better
one. And both of them fail. I've had
this philosophical conversation with
them endless times. It doesn't matter.
>> So what's the one you're not going to
have? you're not going to have um a
capitalist society because there's
nothing to capitalize on.
>> Like when the computer does all this,
what what am I going to take from you?
>> Yeah, it's going to collapse.
>> Well, the idea of money was
comes way back from when when we didn't
really have we were just starting to
learn how to trade and okay, I make
hammers and you have cows. Well, I'm not
going to give you my whole hammer for a
cow because then you know you're getting
ripped off. But my cow isn't worth
enough for the milk. So then you're
getting ripped off. So how do we divide
this up so that it works? And money
intrinsically is supposed to represent
work. That's what it was invented for.
It doesn't represent work anymore. I can
sit here while I'm sitting here. My my
my trading is making me money. I'm not
doing any work to earn that money. And
so we figured out a way to manipulate
and exploit that idea because that's
what people do is exploit stuff. So the
whole idea of capitalism is already
starting to collapse. I mean, we can see
them them printing money and that the
amount of money that they have to print,
I don't think the the US can even
recover from the debt that it has. So, I
mean, mathematically,
>> no, it's possible. Yeah,
>> it has to fail. So, it's not even really
a position that they can even hold.
>> Yeah. I remember watching Zeitgeist when
that came out.
>> But yeah, but how do you how do you as
the leader of the planet say that you're
driving a ship that's sinking? Like you
you can't it's it's not even a position
that they can even take.
>> So, tell me about I want to learn. I I
want to hear less about us because I'm
bored with us.
>> Fair enough.
>> I've I've heard enough about us. I We
hear it in the news cycle. Something we
don't hear about is them. What do they
look like?
>> I have no idea.
>> So, what do you what do they tell you
they look like?
>> Um they tell me they have a filter on
their um virtual reality space that
prevents them from showing me what they
look like.
>> All right. There's so many directions we
can go here. Let's go to the virtual
reality space. Um, this is something
that I thought was really fascinating
when you talked to me about it and how
they sort of hijack our neural pathways
to create these virtual simulations in
our mind which then lead us to think
we're talking to plleadenss or mantis
people or tall grays or whatever it is.
What is that mechanism and can you
explain that maybe in like a deeper way
that people can understand?
>> Absolutely. So it's a wireless computer
brain interface that creates what we
call manifolds which are thought
processes. So a neuron will fire and
when it gets to the end of its axen uh
there will either be enough charge to
tell the next neuron to fire or multiple
neurons. And so they create this chain
or the sequence of firing that we call
manifolds. And so everything that you go
through, the words that I'm speaking,
the the vision that I'm going through,
all of it creates manifolds. And there's
all kinds of research that we're doing
right now all around the world. They're
recording dreams. They're doing studies
in mice. They're doing all kinds of
stuff to validate that this is a real
true thing. And so through these
manifolds and a computer brain
interface, you can read the manifold to
understand what's going on inside a
person's brain as they perceive it. and
you can induce those same things and
through that interface much like a TV
screen or something else they can then
they've then bridged that gap so that
becomes a method how to get a hold of
the brain and then they use that method
to then spool up a virtual space where
you can then interact in that space.
>> So in a in a more simplified version um
when you think about something there is
a certain pattern that you can sort of
copy paste.
>> Yeah. in your neural pathways.
>> And so if you have a way of injecting
that paste back, changing something and
back into the brain, then you can create
a simulated reality because all of this
is simulated. Like me doing this isn't
happening over here. It's all happening
in here. That's right. Um, and so what
you're saying is that the data that
they're collecting,
they're using against us, so to speak,
uh, to induce these hallucinations
against us, with us. Some people it's
against, some people it's with, and it's
a broad spectrum of stuff so that they
can diversify their
>> but that's essentially it. But yes,
that's exactly what's happening is
they're they're leveraging this
understanding this technology to
interact with people in different
formats. So some people can see stuff,
some people hear stuff, some people can
but like tasting things like I some I'll
I'll taste ice cream. They they can make
me taste ice cream. They can um
>> What kind of ice cream?
>> Well, whatever kind I've eaten before,
but it has to be something that I've
done before. So they can only recreate
images that I've given Sure. to the
computer
>> fed. Yeah.
>> And the more times I do something, the
greater the resolution. So each time the
model learns and it trains itself to a
sharper state. So uh like when I first
started learning, she would show me an
image and then she would blink it twice.
But we didn't quite have audio figured
out yet cuz she was training the AI how
to learn audio. And so then when I had
audio, then I could hear her. And then
once we had audio then the pictures were
better and then they became color
pictures and then I was able to just do
it in my eye and in inside my head
instead of looking at the wall. And so
there was this huge progression and I
watched them literally watched them
train the AI um on my brain and watched
it get better at the things that it did
to interact with me. And so through that
process, being the scientist, being the
curious engineering brain that I have, I
needed to know how, why, who, what,
where, when, how, why. I wanted to
define all of the parameters that I
could get about this interaction. And so
I started learning. And the more I
learned, the better questions I could
ask. And the better questions I could
ask, the more stuff I could learn. And
so it was this basically this rebounding
of information. And I just kept learning
and learning and learning and learning.
And now I've gotten it to the state
where I'm literally working building a
company right now to create a wireless
brain interface to go after this. And my
first market is going to be digital
sleep because they can help you go to
sleep or they can help you wake up and
they can change the heartbeat or the
theta frequency inside the brain. And so
um imagine if you could just decide you
wanted to go to sleep for an hour and
then wake up and feel refreshed and you
could decide the state that you exist
in.
>> That's crazy. So, you're using
the teachings that they're giving you to
sort of patent stuff, to create stuff,
and to make to go to market with a
product or or a
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. So, I'm I'm I'm not
I'm I'm not capturing any of this stuff.
I'm not getting patents. I'm not trying
to leverage it for my own benefit. I
want to improve the human condition. And
I believe that all of the information
that I've been given should be shared
with everyone. If they're communist, if
they're capitalist, if they're poor, if
they're rich, doesn't matter. Everyone
should have the same opportunities.
That's what we fundamentally believe in
our society is that everyone should have
an equal opportunity. So I think that
everyone should have an equal
opportunity. Am I going to build a
company so that I can collect more
resources so that I can move it to the
next level? Absolutely. Because through
that process now instead of just going
after dig digital sleep, I can make it
phone calls. I can make it virtual
interactions inside your head. I can
make it ice cream. I can make uh um help
people curb
um addictions and other things that they
go through just by breaking that process
by giving it a little stutter shot like
a little a little bit of a a brain um
excitement which will block those neuron
pathways from happening. And if you can
block those sequences from happening,
you can block the induction that it
creates.
>> What makes this different from like
Neuralink?
>> Neuralink is using a uh encphila or
whatever the EEG, I don't know how to
pronounce it. I'm not a medical um
professional by any uh extent. I'm just
a victim of a of an interesting
interaction. But uh they they use an EEG
which is basically surface voltage which
is produces a huge convolutional layer
because they know the surface voltage of
the skin and they can read it and
they've got these little electrodes that
go inside your brain and they're able to
pick up a better resolution because
they're inside the brain but it's still
just a voltage signal and they're not
collecting the proper data. And so I've
done a lot of research into this and um
they struggle with uh getting resolution
through the brain and I've figured out a
way to bridge that gap and that's what
I'm going after. And it's by
understanding uh phase polarity and
creating and manipulation of light
through this new antenna that I'm
building a prototype for.
>> What does this prototype look like? Does
this live in your brain? What is this?
>> It's just nanotechnology. It's super
small and scalable to whatever size you
want it to be. And and I do you is that
the point? Do you put it on your brain
or do you just wear it on your skin or
>> No, I don't think that I I know that for
me having this thing inside of me where
I can't control it was very invasive to
my life. So, I would never recommend
getting one injected. I would never
create a company that has implants in
people. But there's no reason why I
couldn't put a sensor in a necklace or I
couldn't put a sensor in a pair of
glasses or in a ring or in a little hair
thing or a headband or whatever you want
to do with it. As the technology gets
better and scales, we'll be able to make
it smaller, make it more efficient, do
more and do all kinds of stuff and make
it more comfortable. Maybe it's an
earring, maybe it's a an earpiece that
goes in your ear, right? um so that you
can collect all of the data that you're
hearing. So you can feed that into an an
AI algorithm so it's collecting
real-time data on you so that you know
when your wife says I told you to take
the trash out you like no you didn't and
you can like play it back for her like
in Black Mirror.
>> Mhm. Yeah.
>> Right. So um it gives us it gives us the
ability to capture um real-time data and
then use that data live. Like we're all
going to want it. We're all going to
want all this data. We're all going to
want this. But again, that sounds like
uh a lot of the sort of AI companions
that are out there currently. I know we
have a sponsor on this channel, Plaude,
which is like an AI notetaker, but they
have a necklace version of it where you
can just wear and give it AI. So, what
makes what's the difference between
that?
>> It's very much like that. And it would
encompass a lot of that technology and
it would be inter interfacing with your
brain
>> interfacing. And how so?
>> Through these light manifolds. through
the light manifolds.
>> Yeah. Through through these u your
neuron is boolean. It's either firing or
it's not firing. So by inducing a firing
of the neuron, I can start a chain
reaction and then I can four neurons
down I can fire it again and I can fire
it again.
>> Right? So you can shortcut memory
>> and so I can keep that manifold going
through the brain and so I can create
that space that chocolate ice cream in
your head so that you can taste
chocolate ice cream even though you're
eating a cracker. You're right.
That feels um feels very MK Ultra.
>> Mhm.
>> It does. Do you not think that the
government already has access to this
type of technology?
>> The government has access to lots of
stuff that that they don't tell tell us
about. They're not even trying to keep
the fact that there's secrets secret
secret from us. So, if there's secrets,
it's not are there secrets, it's what
are the secrets. But this stuff here,
this sounds like, you know, prime
because if you're the government and
anyone comes up with stuff like this,
obviously this is just taken off the
market instantly and buried deep
and or it's already being created or it
is created and you're just reinventing
something that they've already invented
30 years ago
>> that they're using actively. You know,
you hear about directed energy, but you
hear about also the uh um what is it?
The uh the the Havana syndrome and and
and whatnot.
There are ways to manipulate the human
mind from a distance. I believe
>> 100%. Um, so again, this this brings up
the question, what makes you so sure
that what you're interacting with isn't
some strange MK Ultra offshoot?
The conversations
that I've had
um are too philosophical. They're too
objective. They're ideas and
perspectives that we don't have.
>> It's non-human. They're they're
different. Like their very beliefs are
different than ours. They're not they're
not the same. They don't believe in the
same things that we do intrinsically.
And I have tried
>> and I've had endless arguments
>> about um protecting the weak.
>> A female
human is designed to carry around a baby
which is basically useless for four
years. We as humans have to have the
programming or the neurology in order to
accept that as a fact. Right? Alligators
don't do that. Alligators have little
alligators. They bury them in a hole and
then they leave. And if the alligators
don't survive, too bad, so sad. and
their culture or their world or their
biology is more tuned to that sort of
model where like if you can't cut it,
too bad, right? And so they're very
cutthroat in some ways relative to that
sort of stuff. So their their intrinsic
philosophies are very much different
than ours.
>> They sound like the Borg,
you know, Star Trek.
>> I am aware. Yeah.
>> Yeah. where they're like half, you know,
cyborgs, half human, half machine or
whatever, where everything's run on
optimization and logic. Um, would you
say that that's kind of how they operate
where everything needs to be optimal and
logical, but they also have a sense of
humor?
>> I think that they're very much like the
Borg in the way that we're going to be
the Borg and any creature that that
works with an AI and a computer. The AI
algorithm is maximally tuning for
efficiency no matter what it does.
>> Yeah, it's minmaxing all day.
>> If you ask it to write an email for you,
it's creating the maximum the best. It
wants to get the biggest reward it can
for completing that task.
>> Yeah. Or at least try.
>> Or at least try. And so when you when
your AI is like we're just like I'm I'm
older getting older in my life and and
AI hasn't been here my whole life. But I
I like to think about what it would be
like if it was maximized and I was born
into that state. I wouldn't know any
different, right? And so maximizing
everything just becomes normal. Like
>> yeah,
>> the things that we do every day, right?
You get out of bed, you have breakfast,
you do, you know, you say hi to your
wife, you do all the things. So, it just
becomes an intrinsic part of their life
much like we can conceptualize the Borg
would be. So, yeah, they're very much
like that. They like to fine-tune and
maximize everything and everything that
they do. There's a a a whistleblower on
uh 4chan who talked about the
underground u mobile construction unit
>> the mobile construction units that they
have in the trenches and they have them
in the trenches so that we can't get
there so that they can have a presence
on Earth
>> and that's real.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I I believe that's real.
Yeah. And so they they leverage
um
Sorry, I just got um blocked. I'm not
supposed to talk about the underground
underwater stuff.
>> Interesting.
>> That on that on air
>> about the MCU, the mobile construction
unit, that type of stuff.
>> You're not supposed to talk about USOs.
>> Well, I mean, too bad.
>> Yeah, sorry. So, they can they can do
that. They can just wash my brain. And
so, they just randomly fire neurons and
then you'll lose your train of thought
and they'll just do that to me from time
to time.
>> Well, let's push back.
Yeah. So,
>> sorry about that. I don't know where we
left off or where we need to go. I'm
completely lost.
>> Well, I'll I'll bring you back on track.
>> Okay.
>> Um, in the trenches there is uh there is
talk of, you know, this mobile
construction unit, these places um in
the oceans that that harbor these giant
underwater craft. Um would you say
through your experience with interacting
with these beings that they do have a
presence under sea? They have to have a
presence that's close enough to account
for the time delay because my chip is
talking to a satellite which is then
relaying information somewhere within
the distance of the time constraints.
And so the barrier, the speed of light
becomes a a a circumference for the
distance away that they can be. They
have to be active acting live. In order
to have a live conversation, the
information has to travel fast enough.
>> Okay?
>> Right? So they have to have a presence
here on Earth somewhere. And so the idea
of them having this self-replicating
vonoyoman probe that's living in the
ocean that's using
harvesting our own minerals to create
these craft that are being deployed out
in the oceans and these beings that are
also being deployed. This is them.
>> This is them. And and each object is
built with its unique design for its
purpose.
>> Right?
>> Because everything is printed. They'll
say, "I want a coffee cup that will hold
26.72 ounces and it will make one that
creates that's for that project. I want
it to be made for someone with six
fingers and then it'll just be made so
they can just make it to do whatever
they want it to do." Um, and they like
to have they know that science commands
repeatable evidence.
>> Like one of our strongest pillars in
science is you have to have repeatable
evidence. So if every version of a
object is different, it undermines
credibility and helps the CIA helps the
government achieve their agenda of
secrecy.
>> Right? So all these different beings,
the the Plleadian, the Pllearin, the
Mantids, the Grays, these are all just
essentially SCOPs from one single alien
entity.
>> Could be. Yeah, it makes the most sense.
It in order for all of that to
>> Well, how do you how do you explain the
grays then? like the physical grays that
um you know, let's take the 4chan
whistleblower for example. And again, I
hold him in medium conviction. Um I'm I
think I'm over 50% at this point, but um
that, you know, they've come across
these craft that had these bodies on
board which were of the sort of gray
variety.
>> Um what are those? Are those because we
hear about the drones, we hear about
them being biological sort of robots. Is
that the case? I think everything is
intentional um and put there for its
purpose. And
if you think about it from a biological
perspective, if our biology interacted
with their biology, it would be
catastrophic for everyone. When the
canadors went to South America way back
um in the day, they almost decimated the
entire civilization um through smallpox,
I think it was. So for us to be arrogant
enough to think that an actual biology
is here interacting with us I think I
mean they might be able to deal with
ours but for for us to deal with their
pathogens would be too much to ask. So I
think that uh a lot of the biological
entities I think they're biological. I
really do. I think they're controlled
remotely um through the AI. They can
create through nanotechnology. They can
control a whole body. I know they can
turn muscles on and off. They can they
can basically if if I if if in like in
threebody problem they had those crowns
then like here's a gift. If I had one of
those on my body I'm pretty sure they
could take over my whole body. So if
they could take over my whole body it's
perfectly reasonable for for us to
assume that they could have a a a
biological robot interacting with
people. And now that I'm I can 3D print
everything that I need. I can make that
biological robot look like anything I
want it to look like. It could look like
a tiny spider. It could look like a a
large object. It could be a giant. Uh it
could be a um um anything. Um a medusa.
It could be a minotaur. It could be uh
and now all of these stories maybe they
weren't stories.
>> Mhm.
>> Maybe they those people actually saw
that stuff and it was unbelievable. But
maybe, you know, there was something
else going on. And it just opens up the
possibility to questions because through
my process of learning computers and
computer science and them teaching me
all this stuff, once you have a method
for something, you can apply it to
anything. Like once I can get a hold of
uh something like printing biology, now
I can print any biology. Yeah.
>> Right. I can scale it to any set of
parameters that I can imagine.
So they can do anything they want both
in the biological space, in the material
space and in the psychological or the
conscious space.
>> So that is them sort of just messing
with us like these crash retrievals and
all that stuff. Is that just an what is
that? Is that an offshoot of of of a
mistake that they made or is that
intentional because you hear about you
know both sides?
>> I think it's a combination of things. I
think it's them adhering to their end of
the deal
>> that our side needed to make to satisfy
their primitive ideas of what society is
and stuff.
>> Um, and so they have freedom to do stuff
through this deal. So I think they like
to play with that a lot. Um, but I think
a lot of the crashes are gifts and or
red herrings. So they'll like put a
joystick in it just to watch what
happens because the whole ship is
conscious of it's it's a basically like
putting a a a chip under the table,
right? They can hear everything. They
can see everything. They know everything
that's going on. So when the when the
scientists are studying it, they can
make fun of them because they don't know
stuff. So it also satisfies and I don't
know the deal. I was never given it. I
can assume and in my assumptions I will
say that probably those gifts were part
of it and we see a standard distribution
of those gifts. Russia gets them, China
gets them. Uh we know Italy got one. We
know um uh or we suspect that uh the
Nazis had one. Um and so it's plausible
to assume or reasonable to assume that
all the countries have them. We talk we
hear people like Jake Barber and and all
the other they race out into the ocean
to capture these things and there's like
a big race to get them to then bring
them back and reverse engineer their
technology. Well, that wasn't part of
the deal. Reverse engineering the
technology. The deal was so you have 100
years to tell your people that we exist.
So what are you guys doing reverse
engineering stuff?
>> That's a threat, right? So then throwing
a red herring in, putting a joystick in
it or putting some other pseudocience in
it throws them off the path. It gives
them a new pathway to go down, but not
necessarily why
>> like we reneged on the deal,
>> but not completely because they they
have a deeper understanding of society
than us. They can see through their data
collection, humanity. They can see us.
And so just because the leader says
something silly in a given moment, they
don't necessarily carry that with the
same weight as they did in threebody
problem when the guy's on the phone.
He's like, "Oh, we lie." Well, that
wouldn't be enough because they have the
data to support the truth. And so the
data collection becomes the validator or
it becomes this argument for us. It's in
our best interests for them to have that
data so that we can't make mistakes like
that. So that when we do capture their
stuff and try and capture the things and
try and create these traps for them and
we we capture their their things, their
their rovers and their their biologics,
when we reverse engineer it, we're not
really hurting ourselves as much as we
could be because they absolutely
dominate us. They traveled from another
star. We our furthest object is like a
toy.
>> Yeah. that Voyager one and Voyager 2
compared to today's technology is a
joke. Yeah. So, our technology hasn't
even really left the solar system. I
mean, it has if you want to classify
Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 as leaving our
solar our technology leaving our solar
system and technically technically it
is, but
>> it's still pretty primitive.
>> It's pretty pretty primitive stuff.
So, um, okay, let's get into a little
bit of the scientists because you told
me something really interesting as well
on how they
discovered the quantum field
um, versus how we discovered the quantum
field and how we've gotten it wrong and
they've gotten it right.
>> Um, can you talk a little bit about that
because I thought that was really
interesting.
>> Sure. So one of them we were talking
about quantum and and I was like man
this chip is so small how is it able to
do so much stuff was the frame that we
were having a conversation under and I
was trying to understand it and this was
early on in the interaction and he said
Sean think of a little robot that makes
and we didn't even have optimist at this
time this at this point think of a
little robot that builds a little tiny
machine shop and that little tiny
machine shop builds a little tiny robot
that builds a little tiny machine shop
that builds it and they scaled it all
the way down until matter broke and then
down at that scale at the nanocale they
started doing physics experiments.
They're not m they're not um reflecting
or refracting light in a way to look
down at that scale. They're actually
operating at that scale with a little
teeny camera that they built at that
scale so that they can see so that they
can see what stuff looks like down there
and they can measure the reactions and
they can see is there one atom, is there
two atoms? What is the um electron shell
of an atom look like or a group of atoms
look like? Is that real? We think that
that's real when we do our measurements
of a deflection or a reaction, but is
that actually what's happening? Is that
what we see? Because as humans, we want
to validate everything through sight. As
biological entities, we want to validate
everything through sight. So, we want to
see it. And what we're doing is we're
predicting down using calculus, using uh
algebra, and we're going down in really,
really complicated ways, stacking
assumption on top of assumption on top
of assumption on experiments that were
done in the 1800s or the early 1900s.
And we make all of these assumptions and
we scale them and scale them and scale
them to the bubble experiment which is
the root of like particle accelerator
stuff. And we we make all of these
assumptions that we know what's going
on. And we do we the stuff that we have
works. This microphone works. The
computers work. So it's not an or
function. It's just a a sharper peak to
the quantum field. And most of it
revolves around our understanding of
light which we don't understand because
they can disappear from our radar and we
can't. And that level of technology
would be gamechanging on the planet.
>> So what is what is it about their
understanding that we don't have?
>> Well, they they went down and and
measured it. And so our model of the
atom is not 100% complete. And so
Schroinger's cat, the whole philosophy
of Schroinger's cat being there and not
there at the same time is just not 100%
right. Um, and so I don't know if I want
to get any deeper into it. Um, because
I'm working on I'm working on it. I'm
working on bridging the gap and the
formula that I'm working on will explain
the emission lines for all combinations
of matter period. So any combination of
chemistry that you can think of, you
should be able to predict and analyze
the absorption and emission lines and
unify gravity. You should be able to do
all of it with one
>> mathematical formula.
>> Mathematical
uh understanding of how the atom works
because
>> you're working on a unifying theory.
>> Yeah. Well, we created
>> you just said that like so flippantly.
But is that what you're doing?
>> I'm trying.
>> You're trying.
>> I'm not a physicist. I'm not a
mathematician. So, it's difficult.
>> Then how are you going to get there?
>> Well, I'm hoping to get help.
>> Right.
>> But everything that we built in the
1900s was built on the bore model of the
atom. And then they made some
measurements and they're like, "Oh,
okay. Well, in order to hold all that
stuff, which it ties all of our
chemistry together in all of its glory.
>> We know the chemistry works. So, we're
going to validate the bore model through
chemistry. But then we are measuring
electrons in a way that breaks the bore
model.
>> So, then they forced it to work through
the Schroinger mod model, which is a
probability. But there doesn't have to
be a probability.
H
>> it's complicated. And finding people who
can even
have these levels of conversations is
difficult. Like I my friends aren't
astrophysicists. My friends aren't, you
know.
>> Well, there's a lot of astrophysicists,
I'm sure, that are that are listening
here.
>> Yeah.
>> Um, you know, and I would love for some
of them to chime in the comments. Let me
know what you make of any of this and
and does this make a lick of sense? And
you know when studying when talking to
people in the academic world
it is you have to be a little
trepidacious. There is
uh there is a a sort of
[sighs and gasps] I don't know there's a
dogma there's a scientism when it comes
to this stuff. And I don't want to be a
complete you know um conspiracy theorist
and saying oh there's like the
gatekeeping and they keep shifting the
goalposts but we do see that and we have
seen that we have evidence of that you
know Einstein's general theory of
relativity wasn't proven until 50 years
after his death or whatever right so
like there there has been shifting of
the goalpost for political reasons for
just laziness for you know financial
reasons
all of these reasons. So definitely you
will get push back
>> for any of this stuff, but I think one
of the one of the things that will
subside that push back or at least
subdue it is
proof.
>> Yeah.
>> Um you know, and so what do you need to
prove it? What do you need
>> like right now? Like if you're working
on something, what is something that
you're lacking that you need to prove
it?
>> Support.
>> What kind of support?
any support that I can get.
>> Yeah. Like like you're going to get
support in the comments being like go
get them. But what type of support do
you need? Do you need
>> I need specialists. I need people who
are with an open mind who are willing to
look at this from a different
perspective.
>> Look at what
>> at at science.
>> Like what science
>> and say we don't understand gravity.
We're we we have this theory that
there's dark matter in the universe and
we're missing 80% of the gravity. We're
missing 80% of the mass. Sorry. How can
we be missing 80% of the math? If I if I
>> But I'm sure there are physicists that
do think about that, but they they just
don't have a solution.
>> But they can't but they can't unify it.
They haven't unified it.
>> What what I'm saying is like what are
you offering that helps them unify this?
Because I think that's very important.
>> They have to understand gravity. Gravity
is the key. And we any physicist out
there will say we can't find gravity.
>> So do you have an answer for that?
>> Yes. It's in the model of the atom.
>> It's in the model of the atom. Yeah.
>> And that's something you don't want to
get into.
>> That's something I don't want to get
into.
>> Okay.
>> At this point.
>> Sure. But I'm more than happy to open it
up with someone who wants to do a deep
dive and
>> explore the physics and see where I'm
wrong because they didn't give it to me.
I've extrapolated this
>> through being in a room
>> with people that are light years smarter
than us.
>> Sure.
>> And we have evidence of it. They're
flying saucer flew into a mountain.
>> Mhm. That's not mathematically possible
>> to someone like Eric uh Weinstein or
Eric Davis or even Halputoff or any of
these people. You would
>> Yeah. If they had an open mind.
Absolutely.
>> Well, I'm sure they do have open minds.
I mean, they're you know, they've uh
they've spoken about um aliens and UFOs.
So, um you know, they I'm sure they have
uh a pretty open mind compared to most
scholars.
>> The idea would be to figure it out
together, right? to to to
okay, let's take what I've learned or
what I've seen and and let's take what
we can see and let's understand that
there is more to this because everyone
who has studied this stuff including the
people that you mentioned will say they
do stuff we don't understand and the
only way to understand it Einstein is
famous for saying to do the same thing
over and over again and expect a
different result is a definition of
insanity so if we want to understand it
we have to be willing to do it
differently to be willing to accept that
there is something that we're missing.
Right? And and it's tied back to the
assumptions from experiments that we did
back in the 1800s.
>> Okay. Well, I'm going to follow up on
this. I want to hear more about this
because this is very interesting and I
think that you know if you can provide
some type of I don't know nudge in the
right direction for some people and then
that could potentially be very valuable
specifically uh in regards to you know
the implant
the technology that that you're
interacting with. Um, I think that if
you can extrapolate from that, you can
probably figure out a lot of stuff that
we don't understand. But again, leads me
to believe that then why would they let
you do that, right?
>> Like I mean I I either I either expect
nothing from you or expect you to
disappear. Like those are I think those
are the two options.
>> I hope it's not the latter.
>> Well, do do you know what I mean?
>> Yeah. because I fear that if you know if
there is a a possibility that you do get
an answer
>> Yeah.
>> to that then I there's a possibility
that I won't hear about it.
>> Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely.
>> Yeah. This thoughts crossed your mind
I'm sure.
>> For sure it has.
>> And it doesn't frighten you.
>> It absolutely frightens scares me to
death. Um and I could be a test. I could
be a test to see what our governments
do. Are they going to take me and bury
me somewhere and try to, you know, how
much sociology have they done in the
last 80 years? They asked for time to do
sociology. So, how much did you do? What
were you guys doing? Were you busy
trying to reverse engineer our stuff so
you could use it against us, or are you
actually doing what you said you were
going to do, which is try and be good
neighbors? And we hear that reflection
all over the place. I mean, Ste, Dr.
Steven Greer is he can't he'll tell
anyone who will listen that this is the
frame that we need to take, right? And
there's lots of star seeds and people
trying to send that message out there.
Um, and I think it might be the the
smartest path. So, am I a sensor for
that? And is that part of the greater
good for us? I don't I don't know. I
mean, this my feet don't touch the
ground anymore. I'm swimming in waters
that are so deep that like I could never
hope to even see the bottom, let alone
touch the bottom.
Yeah.
H
could you trick these entities?
>> Could I trick them?
>> Can they be Can they be tricked? No.
>> Can they be tr tricked? Absolutely.
>> How would you trick them?
>> I don't know if I would want to.
>> Why not?
Because I think there's enough noise. I
think there's enough disdain. There's
enough reasons for them to judge us and
look down on us and think bad things
about I think we earn that relative to
each other.
>> Yeah. But I mean it would be fun for
them to be tricked. I would I would
assume too. They would learn something.
It would feed their
>> Yeah. algorithm.
>> They're very proud. So they would be
they would be more upset than than we
are about it.
>> Good. Um,
yeah, that'd be interesting because, uh,
you know, obviously,
you know, there's the old
the old adage of what was it Carl Sean,
you know, um,
what was it? Uh, what is it? What was
it? What did he say? Uh,
extraordinary claims require
extraordinary evidence, right?
>> Yes.
And [snorts]
I mean, part of that evidence would be
just having them appear, having them
show up, having them say hi or whatever.
>> That day is coming.
>> Have you not tried to make that happen?
>> Cuz I feel like that would be a shortcut
to what you're trying to do right now
with all the physics stuff, which is to
have them do it, appear, and just go.
>> Yeah. They're they're not going to
violate the agreement that they made
because of any words that I could come
up with.
>> You would have to trick yourself.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> H
>> they understand. They they've collected
all the data that I've been collecting.
My brain has been collecting since the
date of the abduction. So I can't
conceptualize things that they don't
have access to. That makes sense.
>> Yeah. Sure.
>> Okay. Anything else you want to talk
about?
>> Not sure.
>> Anything about their culture?
>> What do you want to know?
>> I don't know. Do they eat?
>> Yes.
>> What do they eat?
>> Um,
they eat a
It's 3D printed and it is maximized to
minimize the amount of food that they
need to eat because then it minimizes
the amount of food they have to put out.
>> Um,
>> and they don't get out of bed. They lay
in bed all day. People reported um anal
probes. Anal probes is not some weird
sexual thing. It's literally just how
they handle waste. So they sit in a bed
with a rectal tube so that they don't
have to get out of bed to go to the
bathroom. So just
>> No way.
>> Yeah.
>> They're just slothlike.
>> Well, but they don't need to because the
robots do everything.
>> God, that sounds like you ever see
Wall-E?
>> No.
>> No. the Disney movie Wall-E. Well, u
he's this little robot and you know,
civilization now lives off-world because
of the pollution and they're all just
like really overweight people on
scooters and they don't know how to walk
anymore.
>> Yeah.
>> And like that kind of feels like that's
what that would be.
>> Yeah. So, they manage their weight
through food and they manage their
weight through the AI. Like imagine if
you're if the computer's feeding you.
It'd be like, "Oh, you've
>> had a little bit extra this week."
Sounds terrible.
>> So, I'm going to cut your food, but
you're not going to feel hungry because
the food eye combination I'm going to
give you is going to make sure that your
brain doesn't send those signals.
>> Okay. So, they're in bed all day. They
got a tube up their butt
>> giving them the perfect amount of
>> Yeah. But their their physical body is
in bed, but they're not in bed. They
live in a virtual space. They live in
this beautiful virtual environment where
anything can exist. They could be in a
field for they could be in um they could
be in you know in Star Wars they have
the the council
>> where everybody flies into the center.
They spend a lot of time there debating,
arguing, coming up with the best idea um
and and flooring things. They have a
great big um fork of logic that's in
this virtual space where the strongest
idea rises to the top. So they'll think
of like um when they decided to come
here, they created this plan and then
they executed on it. And so um we are a
big portion of that logic fork. And if
you're in a I I would love to build this
if somebody has got the
um the coding and the the software
production capabilities to realize this.
It's a structured way to make arguments
like the positions or the space that we
have on X but the result of which goes
to this great big fork of logic which
then gets furthered as people have
arguments. So we would argue whether
cats or dogs are better. Okay, when we
use this arbitrary argument because
everybody's used it for a century
>> and dogs are better because and then we
would have that conversation, we would
leave and then the next time you said
something about cats and dogs, you'd
come back and it's now the argument has
objectively moved to here and you could
quickly look. you could quickly look at
all of the logic points and see h why
and then agree or disagree with them and
then once everybody's agreed with them
then it gets then it gets solidified and
that becomes a new information node
>> and so they use that like we use
Wikipedia
>> or AI
>> to validate and to create spaces to save
time to save to make the AI more
efficient it doesn't have to go and
validate you know like if I ask um if I
ask rock, what's the, you know, the size
of um an atom or whatever. It'll go
through 700 pages trying to revalidate
cross reference. They don't have to do
that. They know that that size is
>> objective.
>> It's now been objected. Every objective,
every single person has agreed by
looking at that point and accepted that
position as being valid. The computer
has accepted it's been valid. It has now
been validated. There's no point to talk
about that anymore. and they have this
huge fork of logic that is going into
the universe learning. And so they just
want to learn as much as they can and do
the hard things, you know, do let's
bring in let's floor a really difficult
conversation where it's going to get
everybody upset. Let's boom, just drop
it right in the middle and we'll just
beat the [ __ ] we'll beat the hell out of
it until um until we come up with an
objective solution.
>> That's a cool That's a cool model. I
mean, it's optimal, you know, it's like
an optimized model, but it also I mean,
they seem so soulless to me. I mean, the
idea of, you know, your body's in bed
and you're just in this virtual
optimization simulation, collecting
data, eating things for nutrients only,
and do you know what I mean? And like
just messing with people. I don't know.
It sounds like hell. It doesn't sound
great to me. Like if that's where we're
headed, I'm not
>> about it.
>> Well, they're they're different than us.
Obviously, they evolved on a planet with
different combinations of chemistry,
different combinations of life,
different all kinds of
>> different challenges.
>> Our food, going back to food and them
being soulless and not enjoying food,
enjoying food is actually relatively
rare. um they think and I happen to
agree with them in the universe like if
you look at a peach a peach has fought
for its survival and the way that it
survived was by being delicious. So the
the peaches from the peach's frame the
peach optimized being delicious so it
would get eaten for whatever animals
going to eat it
>> so that it would eat it and plant it
seed somewhere else so that it could
flourish and so our food literally has
competed to be delicious.
Uh, an alligator wouldn't say the same
thing. An alligator doesn't eat food
based on whether or not it's delicious.
So, for them, food is just a means, a
method to a means.
Their world is way more exciting,
diverse than ours because it literally
can be tuned by the user to be whatever
they want it to be. Uh, and as far as
Soulless, again, their philosophy is
extremely different than ours. Their
upbringing was different than ours.
They're more like an alligator. They
believe you got to win. If you're a
winner,
they'll respect they'll respect you till
the till the last breath. But if you're
a loser, they're not interested in you.
They don't think that you have space to
be alive.
It's a different world. H
>> it's not this independent idea. It's
tied to this whole network of logic and
understanding.
>> They don't have feelings,
>> but it makes sense to them. They do have
feelings, but they're different.
>> They come in a different ratio. They
activate differently in their brain than
we do.
>> When we get upset,
>> like if I if I if I lost
>> whatever it was and then I was shunned
from society.
>> Mhm.
>> That would hurt my feelings. They don't
have that same
>> They do. But too bad. Figure out a way
to win.
>> And but they have a rule of inclusion.
So you would never be excluded. Okay? So
you would still get all of the things
that you need to be a valued member of
society, but you're just not going to
get you're just not going to get desire,
>> right? Because you don't deserve it
because you're a loser.
And that's how their world works.
>> Yeah. It sounds like a sounds like a
tough love,
>> but it works. And it works for them. And
to them, the way that we do it is the
way you're feeling right now. And I used
to struggle with that for a long time,
too, until I accepted the frame. And we
do it this way and they do it that way.
And that's okay. We don't have to agree.
>> Right.
>> Right.
>> That's interesting. Yeah. I I really
haven't thought about it like that. you
know we anthropomorphize so many things
and and it is interesting to think about
a different culture at least as a
thought experiment and how they would
operate if not like us and it's really
difficult so you know providing that
perspective is quite valuable even as a
thought experiment to be like oh yeah I
suppose if you were constantly minmaxing
your existence
you know all of that would seem normal
to you it would seem very unfamiliar to
us but it would also So provide them
with a faster road to high-tech
discovery or a faster road to um sort of
survival really. And so
>> well they never had ice ages.
>> So they're here.
>> So they never got reset.
>> They're living in ships. They're living
in in the water. They're living
underground or whatever.
>> Yeah.
>> How many of them
>> here? There's just a few doing work.
Like we send people off to work on oil
rigs or we send people off to work
isolated in isolated environments and
they're here and they're isolated and
the people that are here doing the work
of data collection of earth it's kind of
a crappy job because I mean there's no
one to talk to right so there's a
35minute delay in imagine if your ex was
ex account or your social account was
delayed by an hour and a half every post
you made everything you saw was an hour
and a half old well to us that doesn't
seem like that much but we live in
virtual space and everything is
instantaneous for your whole life.
That's a big deal. And so they go
through that. Um, which is that's a
crappy environment for them having an
hourlong delay on your expost. So they
live a pretty high value life because
that's that's pretty marginal to me and
you.
>> What do you mean what delay? Between
them and whom?
>> Between them and their their people at
at Jupiter
>> and Jupiter
>> or sorry Saturn.
>> Saturn. Is it Saturn or Jupiter? I'm not
sure. I don't know for sure.
>> Okay.
>> But it's um Jupiter
>> because that's where the water is.
>> Uh not water.
>> Hydrogen.
>> Hydrogen. It's the it's the largest
volume of hydrogen on a in a solar
system.
>> And how many of them are there?
>> Uh 100,000.
>> 100,000
>> which is the mathematical number that
optimizes
society.
>> Sustainable society.
They have a they have a metric where if
they want to agree on a node in their
logic tree or if they want to change a
hardline or if they want to do something
as a collective which we can't even
fathom this but every single person has
to agree
>> everyone
>> before it moves forward
>> before something
>> that would be chaos here
>> right but it's so objective where
they're from because they've collected
all of the data. Yeah. So if if me and
you are arguing and you have a personal
position, I can identify that personal
position and I can say, "Yeah, but
that's a personal position for you and
you can see how objectively this is
better for the collective." You would
say, "Yes." And they would be able to
separate that.
>> So they're they're autistic is what
you're saying. They're like,
>> different.
>> No, but I mean that's kind of like
neurode diverency in a nutshell where
they're able to separate uh emotion from
logic. uh they're able to and that
doesn't mean they don't feel because as
we know even people who are neurode
divergent feel the same things we do.
They just don't they're just able to
sort of separate themselves from those
feelings
>> and sometimes miss those feelings
entirely due to you know the
information.
>> Yeah. Well, they have they have the
almost identical Oops. They have almost
identical overlap to us emotionally
which they think and I I agree with them
and I'm not even close to as smart as
they are but it's the evolutionary
um result of being conscious is these
emotions which guide us to have a
society that works. And so if you want
to have a society work that works, you
have to have empathy, you have to have
compassion, you have to have toughness
and grit and you have to have all of
those things. They just express express
them with different weights than we do.
Their brain operates different than ours
does. They when we get angry, I know
sometimes I'll get angry and I'll be mad
for 20 minutes. If I really get set off
and I I that I think that's like a
scientific number. If you get really
mad, go for a walk, you'll calm down and
then now you can think again, right? And
there's um a metric of the more
emotional you are, the dumber you get,
right? And they're inversely
proportional.
for them. They can get mad like from 0
to 60 like in a snap and then 30 seconds
later they're not mad anymore. So they
have this incredible control over their
not control but their ability to react
to emotions
doesn't carry the same wavelength. And
because of that they're willing to go
through them differently than we are. So
they would they have no problem
triggering you to set you off. Whereas
we don't we really if you look at our
society we really try not to do that.
>> Yeah.
>> I try not to just go into Tim Hortons
and really piss off the guy behind me
because he'll clock me.
>> Yeah.
>> Right. For them they'll do it just to
gaslight each other because
>> they have that space because they can.
>> Wow.
What's another interesting quirk about
their culture or their species?
>> Um, they
have perfected their um,
another interesting thing. Um,
>> what were you going to say?
>> I don't want to say it.
>> Say it. Just say it.
>> I I don't want to disrespect them.
>> Well, come on. Um if they look if they
if they got something to say they can
come say it for themselves.
>> Just you know use a bit of uh use a bit
of your own sovereignty here.
>> Yeah.
>> What were you going to say?
>> They have perfected their um their DNA.
>> Um so they they long time ago every
single person agreed
uh that they were going to use one
iteration of DNA. So, imagine our
greatest person is um I don't know. I
don't really want to use anyone who's
alive. Um our greatest person
is Aristotle. Sure.
>> Okay. And we're going to take
Aristotle's DNA and we're going to make
everyone Aristotle.
>> Whoa.
And then we're going to let those people
rise to the top. And then we're going to
take Aristotle's peak and we're going to
iterate it. And then we're going to take
that peak and we're going to iterate it.
We're gonna take that peak and we're
gonna iterate it until they hit a
ceiling where they started to see noise
happen. So they started to see stuff
change. And that's they they capped it
and they just keep running the same
cycle over and over and over again. So
they have 100,000 people. Someone grows
old and dies. They make a new one and
they shove it in the system.
>> So constantly optimizing everything.
>> Everything is constantly optimized.
>> Are they trying to
>> and it saves them a whole bunch of work
because the computer has got a model
like if let's say you needed a heart
replacement. Okay, I'd have to take a
sample of your DNA and figure out what
your heart should look like. But if I
clone you
now, I can just pop one off the shelf
and shove a new heart in. I already have
that done,
>> right?
>> Okay. So now that work's been
eliminated,
>> right? If I eliminate work,
>> your body's not going to fight it
anymore. And
>> if I eliminate work, I now have more
time to play and have arguments and be
desirable and have fun and do all of the
things that make life worth living. And
so they spend the majority of their time
just having fun.
And their fun is gathering information.
>> That's work.
>> That's work.
>> That's work. That's a job. That someone
is here doing that job.
>> Yeah. But like they're coming up with
new ideas and stuff. That's They like
that. They
>> They love that.
>> Yeah. In the same learning new things.
They love
>> In the same way that if we were out for
dinner and they made a new scientific
discovery, we would then floor that and
we would have that conversation about
that and that would become valuable
conversation for us to have.
>> We didn't have to go through any of the
work to get it,
>> right? But now we're enjoying the fruits
of that labor
>> because it makes our conversation more
stimulating. It makes the new question
more interesting, right? It's new
philosophy, new stuff to crunch, new
>> positions to take.
>> Sure.
>> Yeah. You can ask new questions. I I
always say new question is more valuable
than anything else. Like
>> once you get an answer, the answer,
you know, is the the wanting of an
answer is an illusion. A lot of people
don't understand that. But when you get
an answer, immediately the answer
doesn't matter immediately.
>> All that matters is the new question
that the answer brought. So the answer
is valuable
>> because it provides
>> um it provides you with the ability to
ask a new question. And so but all we
can do is assume we have answers and
then ask questions based on those
assumptions.
>> Yeah.
>> Because we don't have the objective
truths yet about a lot of things. And so
it becomes difficult for us to navigate
that. But um it would be that is
interesting. Do
um
is there an end game? Do they want to
reach an apotheiois,
a critical mass of information? Are they
is that what they're trying to do? Are
they trying to become God? Are they
trying to have all knowledge? Are they
trying to make the universe sentient?
Like what is their end goal here? I have
no idea. I could hypothesize. I could
guess,
>> but um I know that they love information
and they want to learn and they want to
optimize
life. And everything every reason that
they have to optimize is to create
desire and to create
desire at its root. So that the
conversations are desirable. So that the
emotions are desirable. So that the
every aspect of my life desire has been
maximized so that I live the fullest
life because time is the only resource
you cannot make more of. You can make
more of anything else but you cannot
make more of time. So the time that
you're here you need to spend that
maximizing the quality of life. And so I
think they drive to maximize that
quality of life,
>> the quality of virtual life
>> of their version, their version of
>> their version of life. Yeah. Because
their body sitting in a bed
>> the way that they all agree is the
highest val version of right like they
they've all agreed. So what they're
>> that's a crazy thing to agree on,
>> right? But if we say, "Oh, that's
weird." They're like, "You're weird."
You know what I mean? [laughter]
>> Dude, where you're in a bed with a tube
like that's weird.
>> Yeah. But they don't feel it. It's not
like they think about it. It's something
that just disappears and their physical
body they have a
>> I mean that's the Matrix that is the
argument of the Matrix of you know at
one point there was you know the guy who
sold out Neo in the first Matrix who you
know who told the agents
>> and the exchange was you see him at
dinner and the exchange was put me back
in the pod erase my memory I don't want
I don't want to know anything I just
want to be rich and I want to have fun
and I want to live in the matrix like
there I can understand
wanting to do that rather than living in
a polluted festered
>> existence. So I I do get it.
>> Yeah, they have a they have a really
interesting um flex and uh I've only I
haven't seen it. I've only heard about
it, but um someone will brag that they
forgot to eat and the computer had to
remind them to eat food because they
were having so much fun that for like 3
days I forgot to eat food because
they're living life to the maximum. So,
it's like a it's like a peacock, right?
Like I'm so desirable. I'm having so
much fun that I forgot to eat. And it's
a
>> it's an interesting They do lots of that
kind
>> that happens to me,
>> right? [laughter]
>> Yeah. That's crazy. There's this is
really interesting. I got to say, Sean,
this is, you know, part of me is
incredibly dubious and and naturally so.
It's not something that I can willingly
overcome even though I want to um
because of the lack of experience,
firsthand experience. And I think that
everybody and that's the whole point of
this channel really is we all live with
that guarded filter to this type of
information. We all have that innately
and that is a survival thing and it is a
thing that's important. um of course
>> I but I think the practice of suspension
of disbelief or belief um is equally as
important because it provides temporary
answers
so that we may ask new questions
temporarily and then hypothesize on
these new things and I think that that's
really valuable in order to come up with
creative solutions to you know uh
problems that we're facing and so
yeah I I think it's really interesting
and I I want to thank you for opening
up.
>> It's This is definitely probably not
easy to talk about. You're someone who
clearly has a very um
I don't know. You're you're very sharp.
You you you strike me as someone who has
his [ __ ] together, so to speak. And when
I met you, contact, I had that feeling.
And that's what intrigued me about this
is that I get a lot of people who hit me
up with what seems like incoherent
ramblings of their ongoing, you know,
alien communication. a lot. Um, and it's
hard for me to separate the wheat from
the chaff as someone who's open-minded
because I don't know. I don't want to be
judging, but I also don't want to
amplify someone's potential psychosis.
>> Do you understand?
>> Makes sense.
>> Because it's a that's that's a line
that's really um difficult and it's a
lot of responsibility. Um, but I do feel
like you're being genuine and I do feel
like you've had an experience and the
answers that you've provided,
I mean, they're very stimulating and
very fun to think about and it's given
me a lot to think about. And so, I just
want to thank you for opening up.
>> You're welcome.
>> And, uh, thank you for participating on
this show and and being a part of uh,
this this little universe that we're
creating here. Um,
>> thank you for having me.
>> Yeah, absolutely. Can you can you uh
perhaps guide my audience to where they
can find out more about your work or
what what it is you're doing or how they
can follow your journey?
>> Yeah, absolutely. Um so I wrote a book
um just so that I could get all my
thoughts down in a linear path uh and
that's available on Amazon. It's called
uh Mind Hacked uh and it's by Sha and I
have a YouTube channel which is called
Maximal Truth. and I dive into some of
this stuff. Um, trying to explain my
theories in more detail, asking
questions and, uh, challenging the
mainstream narrative. Um, I get it. My
whole philosophy, my whole frame is
different than ufology. I take a
different approach. I I wasn't a
believer. I'm not a researcher. I didn't
I don't know most of the lore. I only
started learning because I had to
because I needed to figure out what was
happening to me. And um so I can 100%
relate to you being a skeptic or or or
challenging ideas and wanting proof and
wanting to see what's going on. We we
need to take an objective frame on this
whole thing. And um yeah, so if people
want to check it out, they can head to
those two sites.
>> I'll leave the links below. Uh Sean
Nubau, it was a pleasure talking to you.
I look forward to hanging out and
talking some more.
>> Cheers.
>> Thanks.
>> Thank you.
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