Today's guest brainwashes millionaires
to become billionaires. And all I did in
that session was just remove one
limiting belief from his mind. You want
to guess how much money he made in the
next 10 days?
>> How much?
>> $1.2 million. A shy boy growing up in
the UK. He sold candy in school to
[music] afford his first PlayStation
before dropping out of college to pursue
entrepreneurship. Can you hypnotize me
to forget about my ex? I asked her
after, "How do you feel now when you
think about him?" And she just said,
"Think about who?" But after six failed
businesses, he realized the problem was
not his work ethic. It was the mental
programming that made him believe he
couldn't succeed. Anything that is said
to you from somebody you perceive as an
authority is going to essentially become
part of your identity. The most damaging
sentence a parent can say to their child
is, "In this episode, we'll break down
the exact blueprint [music] he uses to
hypnotize billionaires, reveal how your
algorithm is already putting you into a
trance, and question if he's able to
rewire your mind for success, then what
are the ways the world is programming
you to fail? Do you think you could
hypnotize me [music] to have a heart
attack?" If you want to know the real
answer, most likely yes. Ibraham Turner,
welcome to the Jack No podcast.
>> Good to be here, Jack. Yeah, a good
place to start here. Ibraham, you've
hypnotized billionaires, celebrities,
professional athletes to increase their
income, become more magnetic, and push
their body to its physical limits.
What do you think most people
misunderstand about hypnosis? So, I'd
say, what even is hypnosis? Because if
you imagine a hypnotist, maybe you've
seen, you know, a guy with a swinging
pocket watch standing in front of
somebody. And a lot of people think that
is hypnosis. And there is some truth to
that, but it's not the reality of what's
actually going to hypnotize you. So to
define it first, all hypnosis is is just
a state of focused relaxation. So I'm a
hypnotist. So I speak to people's
conscious minds and their subconscious
minds. So I get them to essentially
focus on what I'm saying so that I can
do suggestions to change who they are or
change their identity. Right? So if you
imagine a hypnotist swinging a watch, a
lot of people will think, well that's
not real. How can that actually happen?
If we dive into what's actually going on
there, the idea is that I'm taking the
focus of your eyes. And when I do that,
it's called an eye fascination. I'll get
on to what that actually means later,
but I'm essentially able to temporarily
control you. Now, if I'm using hypnosis
in a positive way, which of course I do,
it's going to influence you to make
better changes in your life. So, first
of all, that's what hypnosis actually is
and how it works. It's essentially
though just a shortcut. It's a shortcut
to change something inside of you. And a
way of thinking about this is imagine
you go on a first date and you think
back to one of the best first dates
you've ever had. you know, you're with a
guy or a girl and you go to some
restaurant or some bar and you sit down
together and immediately you lock eyes.
So, you're already in a kind of trance,
right? Time kind of disappears. You're
feeling a lot of positive emotions.
You're completely focused on one
another. It's like the outside world
just disappears and you're in this
moment. And then as time goes by and the
date ends, when you leave, you don't
remember who your server was. You don't
remember what music was playing. and you
don't even remember any of the details
of the night except that you had an
amazing time. So that really is a
trance. That is a state of hypnosis. And
so what a lot of people don't realize is
is that they're actually in a trance
more often than not. So a lot of people
come to me and they say, "Oh, I can't be
hypnotized." It's just they don't
understand that they're already
hypnotized. So my job is first of all to
dehypnotize people to help them get out
of the trance or the limiting beliefs or
the fears that are running their life.
so that they can become free. And then
once we do that, then we can start
making the changes. And
I guess what can you actually hypnotize
someone to do? Like imagine the viewer
listening to this podcast listens to it
fully, takes your instructions. Like
what are the ways in which they would be
able to change their life potentially?
So one of the biggest things people
initially come to me for is they want to
have more success, right? And they want
to make more money. Now you might say,
how can you hypnotize yourself to make
more money? It's actually really easy
because if you think about when it comes
to success, really all that comes down
to is do you believe you're deserving of
that success? Do you have the confidence
to go after that success? So what a lot
of people have is an image in their mind
of all of the reasons why they cannot
get to the next level. Maybe I don't
have the time. Maybe I procrastinate.
Maybe people will judge me. These are
essentially examples of I call them
really matrix programs, right? And if
you think about the mind like a
computer, which I'll use that analogy as
we go out through this podcast, it's
really just your mind has been
programmed by people who don't
necessarily have your best interests at
heart. Not that it's done in
intentionally, but it's what happens. So
the success is often times the main
reason people come in, but like one of
my mentors always says, success without
fulfillment is the ultimate failure. So
what people really want is actually just
to feel good, right? Fundamentally
people just want to feel good. But they
will go after that success in order to
get an emotion. Now everything we do is
for an emotion. So if we can change our
thoughts and we can change our emotions,
then having the success just becomes a
natural byproduct of this. Right? I had
a guy come to me a few months ago. Um
found me on Instagram. I make these
twominut sort of hypnosis reels where
I'll just hypnotize people through the
screen and he comes in, he's making like
30 grand a month and he does those two
two-minute reels and the next day he
makes 50 grand. Now you might just go
coincidence, right? I would say the same
thing, but to him he was like, "No, I
feel like something's changed." So he
booked a session with me. We did it and
he'd been making that same amount of
money for 2 years straight. No matter
what he did, more effort, more
willpower, he wasn't able to break
through. So, we did the session and all
I did in that session was just remove
one limiting belief from his mind.
Do you want to guess how much money he
made in the next 10 days?
>> How much?
>> $1.2 million, which was the equivalent
of two years income for him. Now, of
course, that's amazing because he got to
provide for his family more. He got to
get a new home, buy his dream watch,
take after his team, and all of that.
But what's really the thing that I'm
more passionate about is who he then
became and how he views the world. Now,
he sees himself as somebody completely
different. It's like taking the
Limitless pill when you feel unlimited.
That's really what I love to use
hypnosis for because once you can kind
of dissolve these boxes that were put in
by society, government, education
system, and realize that they're all
just created by some guy at some point,
everything just becomes possible,
>> right? And I hear people talk about this
concept as it relates to like
manifestation or having an abundance
mindset that you just need to put
yourself in a state and constantly
remind yourself that you are more
deserving and more capable than you
perceive yourself to be. How would you
differentiate like hypnosis from simply
saying I am the type of person to make a
million dollars uh in a day? Yeah. The
key is the belief. So what we're really
talking about here is identity level
change. This is very different to just
kind of saying something. An identity is
essentially just a set of beliefs that
you hold about who you believe you are
or who you believe you are not. Okay? So
if you say an affirmation, that's great.
That can be helpful. But if you imagine
your subconscious, which is here,
imagine there's this big filing cabinet
and there's all of these like old files.
Like imagine it from like the '8s or
something, right? And every time you
have a thought, a file goes in. So if
it's I'm not going to be successful or
somebody said something to me, it will
store a file. And we have about 80,000
thoughts a day. So every single time you
have a thought, it's unconsciously
storing a file in this filing cabinet.
So if you say, "I'm the type of person
to make a million dollars," a file will
go in. But if there's 17 million other
files saying the opposite, they're going
to go like, "That's [ __ ] I don't
believe that." That's why for most
people they don't really believe in
manifestation.
Now the key differentiator here is all
about the state that you go into. Okay.
So state is everything. And
when you are in a hypnotic state or a
trance or you can just think of it as a
very relaxed dreamlike state where your
attention is fully focused right here
right now.
That is where your it's called without
getting too technical like basically
your neoortex your critical faculty the
thinking part of your mind relaxes so
that it can take new suggestions. Okay.
When you're in that state now if
somebody tells you or you tell yourself
with a lot of certainty I am the type of
person who makes a million dollars or
for me I charge a million dollars for XY
Z it's going to be like the equivalent
of a million files because it's cuz it's
going in deep into the subconscious. So
that's really the difference. The
problem is is that so many people are
getting hypnotized unknowingly.
So what does the average person do when
they wake up in the morning? They go on
their phone right now. They're ether
going to scroll on social media or if
they have a business, they're going to
check their Slack or their email and
start replying to stuff. That's going to
put them in a reactive state primarily
driven by fear. So the first thing when
you're in that programmable state in the
morning is going to be based off of fear
and reaction. Now for a lot of people
this actually does create some success.
This is where things get kind of a
little bit nuanced. It's not to say that
that's bad because it fear is a strong
motivator, right? It'll get you moving.
It's wired into us, but it's always
going to have a limit. So that's really
the difference and that's why I just use
hypnosis as a tool. It's simply just to
influence our subconscious at the
deepest level. Because when we do that,
that's where it really only takes one
time to create the change and then you
don't have to do it again and again.
>> And just to give people an idea of uh
what hypnosis can be used for aside from
moneym, what is the most surprising
outcome you've gotten through multiple
hypnosis sessions or what's the craziest
thing you've seen happen through
hypnosis?
One I did recently was with uh with a
fitness influencer actually in um in
Marba and uh he basically wanted to try
and break his bench press record. And so
this is an interesting application
because it's very physical, right? And
he'd been training for 12 years and he
was basically at this, you know, when
you're training that much, even changing
like one or two pounds is is a very big
difference, right? And he' never been
hypnotized before.
And I sat him down. I got him into a
trance. And all I did was is he was just
about to have a child. Okay? And so I
said to him in the hypnosis, when you
push this weight,
it's going to be like you're lifting it
off your newborn child. Okay? This is
something called hysterical strength.
Now, what hysterical strength is is
maybe you've heard about, you know, a
mother gaining the the strength to like
pull a car off her baby. Now, did she
already have the strength before or did
she somehow just create it? Well, it was
already obviously inside of her. It's
just something changed in her wiring.
Right? When I did that with this guy, he
pushed the most weight he'd ever pushed
in his career. And so, what that does is
it's not just about pushing the weight
or making the money or even losing
weight. I had a guy come up to me at a
Tony Robbins event at one of his higher
level ones and he I I recognized him
because he was on a video with Richard
Banler and he got hypnotized by him. So
I said, "Oh, cool. I recognize you from
that um video." And the guy was like
really pissed off. He did not want to
speak to me. And I was like, "Okay,
what's up?" And he said, "Uh, why do you
want to know?" And I said, "Well, I'm a
hypnotist." And he said, "Oh, well then
maybe you can solve my problem." I said,
"What's your problem?" He said, ' Losing
weight. I can't stop eating sugar. And
so he was annoyed because he wasn't able
to do it. Anyway, when I started
hypnotizing him, it became very clear
that it wasn't really just about the the
weight loss. It came back to he was
actually self-sabotaging himself and
actually even ended up having a heart
surgery because he just didn't believe
that he should actually be here due to
some stuff that happened in his past. So
anyway, five minutes I made him hate
sugar, love working out, and I just went
back into the event. I didn't think
about it. And then 3 days later he runs
up to me with his trousers like loose
and I'm like that doesn't even make
sense. How can your trousers be loose in
3 days? His face is thin and you know
he's he's he's gone and done it. And so
these aren't like
crazy
shocking things, but the things that the
average person struggles with for their
entire life. And that's really the level
I like to focus on. It's it's what what
are you actually dealing with today? Is
it that you want to have more success?
Is it that you want to find that
relationship? Is it that you do want to
make more money and then apply it to
that?
>> Has everyone been hypnotized their
entire life?
>> First of all, we've defined what
hypnosis is. Right now, something I
didn't say yet is that children are
primarily in a state of hypnosis. So,
between the ages of 0 to 8, children can
learn skills rapidly, learn to walk,
pick up new languages. They're like
sponges, right? They're always in the
present moment. And then we kind of lose
that as we get older. Their brain is
very neuroplastic. So we actually start
our existence in a hypnotic trance. And
so we're always essentially going in and
out of hypnosis. And the question is is
what are you being hypnotized for in
those formative years of 0 to 8?
Basically anything that is said to you
from somebody you perceive as an
authority is going to essentially become
part of your identity. So as a child,
who is the biggest authority in your
life?
>> Your parents.
>> Yeah. Right. So if your parents tell
you, you know, you're amazing, they give
you confidence, they're supportive, they
tell you that they love you, then you're
going to have a certain set of beliefs
around the world. But if your parents
are
not doing that or they're dealing with
their own stuff, then that's what you're
going to take on. And it actually,
here's the craziest thing. It doesn't
even matter if they're telling you
things or not. you just pick it up
naturally. So,
you know, you don't necessarily do what
somebody tells you to do. You do what
they do, right? So, I don't know if
you're going to have kids uh in the
future, but a lot of parents, you know,
mess their kids up because they just
don't understand themselves. And it's
the same thing with everyone's parents,
but that's how we learn and grow. So,
you're saying that when someone is in a
hypnotic state of trance and there's an
authority figure involved, not only do
they listen, do what that authority
figure tells them to do, but they also
mimic their behavior. Absolutely. I've
never heard that before. That's really
interesting. This gets amplified when
there are a group of people. So, maybe
you can you look at the World Cup that
happened recently, right? And you notice
how in the crowd there's this kind of
herd behavior, this crowd behavior. you
just act like the people around you.
That's not really by choice. That is
engineered and it's a social effect.
That's also a form of trance. Again,
like that first date analogy I gave you,
time kind of disappears. You don't
really pay attention to the surroundings
and you're just completely focused in on
one thing. So,
it's happening everywhere. And the
reason why most people never even
realize it's happening is because
they're just unaware. And when you're in
a trance, you usually don't realize
you're in a trance. It kind of feels
like this weird dreamlike feeling. So
something that we could do if you want
is I could actually hypnotize your
audience to actually see what it feels
like so that they can actually see if it
works for them.
>> I think that would be probably the best
way to show it.
>> Do you want to do that right now?
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But anyway, guys, back to the podcast.
I could actually hypnotize your
audience. Do you want to do that right
now?
>> Yeah. So,
if your audience want to try hypnosis
right now and they've never done it
before, you just have to make sure
you're not driving, operating any
machinery, anything like that, just to
get out of the safety stuff, it's best
to do it if you're seated or laying
down. And there's only two things you're
going to do. One is just get into a
relaxed state to follow the instructions
I'm going to give to your mind. You want
to try it along as well?
>> I'll do it as well.
>> Cool.
So, you can just put your feet nice and
flat, get into a comfortable state, and
just take a deep breath in
and out.
Now, Jack's already in a trance cuz I
can see his eyelids fluttering, so he's
actually already in hypnosis. So, good
job. Take one more deep breath in
and all the way out.
Just exhale all of the air. Just let
your body fully relax as you fully focus
only on the words that I'm saying to you
right now. Any thoughts that are in your
head just float out of your mind like a
cloud into the sky as you just enter
this state of hypnosis.
Just draw your attention to your
eyelids. And as you draw your attention
to your eyelids, notice that they get
heavier.
And as you imagine your eyelids getting
heavier and heavier, you'll notice in a
minute that they actually feel so heavy
that they're stuck shut. And once you
can feel this feeling and imagine them
getting stuck shut
like yours are right now, you notice
that the more you try to open them, the
more stuck that they become.
Just like that.
And in a moment, I'm going to say the
word sleep. And you're not going to go
to sleep. You're going to go into a much
deeper state of focused relaxation
with one and sleep all the way down.
Just completely going a thousand times
deeper with every word that you hear. As
you drift more and more and more into
this trance.
And now as you drift more into this
trance, you're going to start to feel
this space open up inside of you.
It's like this good feeling starts
swirling around your body. Like you
could call it confidence. You could call
it self-belief. Something that makes you
feel really excited. Maybe something
that's in the future that really excites
you that you bring right into this
moment right now. And as you feel this
feeling expand inside of your body. It's
like a balloon filling up. It starts to
make you feel better and stronger, more
confident, more certain. like everything
just works out for you. Like any goal
that you had, it's already done. And you
actually see yourself at the end and
finish line of that goal right now in
this moment. And any hesitation that you
used to have to this just goes away.
All that resistance goes away and you
see yourself already completing this.
And if there was a dial of certainty of
how certain you are that this goal is
already done, it just dials all the way
up from 6 7 8 9 10 out of 10. It's
already done. It's already happened. And
as you take one last deep breath in
and out, [sighs]
when you open your eyes in a moment,
you'll know exactly
how this feels and that it's already
done. Eyes open.
That was pretty effective.
>> You're actually very hypnotizable.
>> I know. It's such a I I thought that it
would be harder to get me because I've
had so many people hypnotize me on this
show. Uh but yeah, you when you said my
eyes were fluttering, I was like, [ __ ]
they do do that very easily. So, just
for the audience, if they've just done
this for the first time, you might feel
like strange, you might feel really
good, you might feel kind of confused or
out of it. However you feel is totally
normal. Just let yourself just notice
how you feel now compared to before.
It's all about the feeling. So, whatever
you can notice, that's the difference
that you've just created. How do you
feel?
Feel great. Feel like I already achieved
a goal. Uh, it's interesting.
I want to understand
it's kind of a bad question right now
because you did just hypnotize people,
but what's a sign that
someone is hypnotized about a particular
thing in their life? Usually, it's when
you can't stop thinking about something
and you feel so connected to something
and it's kind of going around in your
mind again and again and again
>> because there's really a couple of
different parts to what even creates a
hypnotic state. Okay,
>> so one is repetition. Okay, this is the
first part. Now, if you hear something
again and again, eventually you're going
to probably just subscribe to that
belief system. So whether it's a
religion growing up, something your
parents said or how much success you
should have. That's why people always
say you should be careful about who you
surround yourself with, right? So
repetition is the first element of what
creates somebody to be in a hypnotized
state. The second thing is suggestion.
So that's what we just did there. I gave
you some new suggestions and this
example was about your goals and how you
feel about them. And in that
hypnotizable state, because you were so
relaxed, those suggestions are much more
likely to go into your subconscious
where they actually stick. Does that
make sense?
>> Why?
>> Because your mind is no longer
questioning them. So the mind is
primarily where the critical faculty is,
which is basically the thing that's
judging, is this a threat? Is this not a
threat? So you temporarily allow that
guard to come down so that you can go.
It's like a doorway. You basically just
open that doorway inside of you. Now the
third part to this is emotion. Okay. Now
the stronger the emotion you feel, the
deeper the hypnosis is going to be.
>> And if we zoom out for a moment and you
think about mass hypnosis, okay, think
about what happened back in 2019.
There was a virus that suddenly came
about. And out of those three facets
that I just told you, repetition,
suggestion, and emotion,
which one of those were applied during
that time to make people believe that
they should be extremely concerned about
what was going on in the world at that
time, would assume all of them.
>> Yeah. Think about what was happening on
the news. You have to stay inside. If
you go outside, you're going to people
around you are going to die. you know,
they're going to make you feel bad about
your grandparents or something like
that. They're continuously suggesting
these things and ultimately they're
making you feel the strongest emotion
which is fear. And fear is ultimately
how you can control someone. So that was
how the world was hypnotized back at
that time. So this is how it works on a
mass scale. So the most important thing
is just to focus on you and to focus on
your own state in every single moment.
Anytime you notice you're going into
that state of fear because you can also
be hypnotized negatively, right? A lot
of people are. It's your own self-
responsibility to get yourself back into
a good state. I think a good place that
is relatable to people to understand
this concept. Like why does scrolling on
social media hypnotize you? If somebody
is scrolling on social media, imagine a
person walking down the street and
they're on their phone. Now, if you were
to look at that person and you imagine
them right now, they're walking, they're
looking at their phone, they're kind of
hunched over, they're completely unaware
of what's going on in the outside world.
Somebody could just, well, I'm from
London. Somebody could just run right
past them and steal their phone out of
their hand, right? Which is what's
happening every single day. So, what's
actually going on inside of the phone?
Well, inside of the phone, first of all,
if you're on social media, you're seeing
a constant stream of new suggestions,
whether it's an ad, whether it's a post,
it's a bright color, which gets your
attention. One of the other main
components of hypnosis of how to get
somebody into trance that I didn't tell
you yet, is using something called
pattern interrupt or a shock induction,
for example. So, this is why you'll see
ads come out with these crazy claims
because it gets your attention for a
moment. that moment where I go like that
that's immediately the gateway for you
to go into a trance.
>> So it's constantly happening giving you
a new emotion. One is I watched a thing
of a puppy and a kitten this morning and
the kitten was really scared and the
golden retriever puppy was just playing
around with it until it got calmed.
Right? That put me in a positive state.
And then imagine the next thing is
something that's going on in the war in
Iran that's now in a deeply fearful and
negative state. And then the next thing
might be something about something that
happened with a family member which
makes you think go to a completely
different place. So it's constantly
taking your attention which remember
hypnosis is all about where your
attention is going and where your focus
is going and harvesting it. So it's
completely you know they spend trillions
of dollars designing this technology to
harvest your attention. And you
obviously know that, you understand how
this works better than most people. But
it all starts with how to get somebody
into the trance, which is that initial
part. Cuz once they're in the trance,
you can essentially now do anything.
This is why people will buy stuff from
social media that they don't need. It's
because they're in that in that trance
like very suggestible state. But it's so
addictive because it's giving you that
third component, the emotion. That's why
people get so addicted to it because it
gives them something. It's like pulling
that slot machine and every single time
you don't know what you're going to get,
but you know you're going to feel
something. It has all of those three
components. Therefore, it's going to
it's going to become something that
hypnotizes them. One thing I can spot
that's similar to hypnosis is like
you'll see hypnosis videos on YouTube
that have like flashing lights or like I
don't know circles to kind of like put
you in this trance state and like if
you're scrolling and your brightness is
all the way up uh each scroll is like a
flash at your face. Is there any other
things like that? Like is sound
important in getting people into trance?
>> For sure. Yeah. So it's basically we get
in now to the senses. So there's
multiple different senses that we have.
Primarily visual. So what you can see,
so that flashing light in that example.
Then there's auditory which is sound.
That's another way of getting your
attention. Okay. There's kinesthetic,
which just means feeling. So again,
feeling the emotion. There's also
gustatory, which is taste. There's also
smell as well. you're not going to
necessarily get smell, although you can
get smell from it if you have that image
in your mind strong enough. And taste
can even happen as well. Do you want to
do a quick test on taste and I can show
you?
>> So, imagine um you see a lemon on social
media. Somebody's eating a lemon. You
can test this right now. Imagine you
have a lemon in your hand. Just take
your hand right now. Imagine there's a
lemon. And anybody at home can try this
as well if you want to see how this
works. Now imagine you just take that
lemon to your face and just imagine
you're smelling the lemon. You can maybe
smell that citrusy sour smell familiar
from a lemon. Now imagine that you
squeeze that lemon right near your face
and imagine you put it to your mouth and
you put the lemon in your mouth and now
you squeeze that lemon in your mouth and
all of the juices go all over your
tongue around your mouth. There's that
sour taste. Now, what you'll notice is
that your mouth is already salivating.
Right.
>> Right
>> now, there was no lemon there, yet you
could taste something and potentially
even smell something. So, on social
media, all of these senses can come into
it. So, you only really need one, but
oftent times you're getting multiple. If
you're getting multiple, it's just going
to mean the trance is even stronger.
In the 1980s, a scientist named Benjamin
Leay hooked people up to brain sensors
and told them, "Flick your wrist
whenever you decide to."
He found their brains fired up to half a
second before they consciously chose to
flick their wrist. In other words, your
brain makes the decision before you
consciously decide it. Do you agree with
that? In general,
>> we almost get into free will here, but
if you imagine a boxer, so a boxer's in
the ring, he's throwing punches, jabs,
crosses, whatever. Now, when the boxer
is in the ring,
he's not consciously thinking punch or
dodge or throw a hook here. It's just
happening automatically. So, you could
almost say anything that's automatic is
happening through your subconscious,
happening through that that trans
reaction.
But that being said, what led to that
was the 6 months, the 12 months, the two
years, the 5 years of essentially
training that pattern again and again
and again to make that automatic. So I
would definitely say there is a lot of
truth to that. It's just most people
don't realize that that first step is
essentially happening. It's just
happening unconsciously. So in that I
haven't read that study specifically but
it makes complete sense from what you're
saying. Do you think we have free will
I have thought about this and
you've seen the movie The Matrix?
>> Right.
>> So there's the famous scene in the
Matrix where Morpheus offers Neo the
blue pill or the red pill. Now, in that
moment, he opens his left hand first
with the blue pill and then his right
hand second with the red pill. Now, what
most people don't realize is that he's
intentionally doing something to
influence Neo's decision-m. It's called
recency bias, which is basically just
means we're more likely to say yes to
the thing that we just heard. So he very
intentionally offers blue first and then
red second because he wants Neo to take
the red pill so that he can escape the
matrix. Thus giving Neo the illusion of
free will. Now Neo still has a choice.
So there is an element of free will but
he's also being influenced at the same
time. So this is how most people live
their life. They're being given the
illusion that they have control, the
illusion that they can make decisions,
but really they're just being offered
what they're being offered. It's kind of
like if you go to a restaurant and
there's certain things on the menu. 99%
of people are just going to say, "I'll
just take what's on the menu because
that's obviously what's offered there,
right?" But in reality, you could have
anything you want. So
my gut says it would lean more towards
no if I'm being completely truthful with
you. So would you say our decisions are
a result of our programming or like
we're actively making choices about
everything? Like if I was at a
restaurant offered a Coca-Cola or a
water, would you say that decision is
something I think about in the moment or
it's just like from years of programming
that decision? So I'll give I'll give
another example of this to kind of
illustrate. Sometimes metaphors help.
So, imagine you get into your car and
you put your Google Maps on and you
start driving. Now, halfway through,
you're going to a couple of things are
going to happen. You're going to realize
that you actually didn't even
notice what you programmed into Google
Maps. You did it automatically. So, one
of three things will happen. You'll get
to your destination or halfway you're
realizing you realize you're going the
wrong way. Or the third, and this is
really the most sinister, is that you'll
keep driving, realize you're going the
wrong way and continue going to the
wrong direction, and then you'll make
yourself believe that you chose it
because you already committed to going
all of that way. Now, to take this a
step further, what always pops up on
your Google Maps as soon as you get into
it? Home, right? It always suggests to
go home because home is what is
familiar. So even if you're not wanting
to go home, it's still going to suggest
home, meaning you're more likely to go
that way. So this is essentially what's
happening in people's subconsciouses,
right? It the subconscious and our minds
and just ourselves, we always want what
is familiar. That's why for you, you
probably feel very comfortable in your
podcast studio because you've been here
a bunch of times versus if you fly to
another country, maybe there's more
variables, it's less familiar, you're a
bit more in your head, you're a little
bit more uncomfortable. So we'll always
fight for that comfort and that
familiarity and everything around us is
designed to give us more of that. But
those exact things that are designed to
give us that familiarity are also the
things keeping us confined.
>> That tells you a lot that if it says if
the number one suggestion that people
get is home, then people are just routed
to do the thing that's familiar
constantly. So, you're saying every
single person watching this podcast has
an identity right now, and you think
none of them chose that identity. As it
pertains to young men, what would you
say are the three biggest forces that
write someone's identity?
That's a really good question. I think
about that.
The thing that's influencing young men
more than anybody is, like we said
earlier, it's going to be their parent,
typically a father figure. Now,
problem is that a lot of young men
nowadays, they don't have a father
figure.
So, they have to go and find that father
figure in other ways. Maybe it's people
online, for example. So, I know you just
had Andrew Tate on the podcast, right? I
was mentioning to you before we got on.
I was just at this party in Miami. Uh
saw him there and then few hours later
he's gone into jail, right? And the
crazy thing with that is
he actually uses a hypnotist, by the
way. And what he's essentially done is
hypnotized young men to a set of belief
systems. Right now, whether you want to
argue if they're good or bad, it's not
what I'm here to do. I think probably a
bit of both. But he, if we use the lens
of hypnosis to look at what actually
happened there, because it will paint
the picture, he was able to come in as a
very strong authority figure
in a place that was missing for a lot of
young men and he was able to give them
an identity, become a strong man, become
a provider, become a protector, make
money. These are all elements of the
identity, right? It's going to give them
certain value systems, certain belief
systems. Even the way they would speak,
language is a big part of identity,
right? You can maybe even think about
people who would imitate him, right? And
so whatever is the strongest force in
somebody's life is going to ultimately
determine their belief systems because
nobody really knows who they actually
are. If you ask yourself the question,
who am I?
The first thing that might come to mind
is, well, I'm Jack.
But what is Jack? Jack is a label. It's
some letters that your parents gave you.
And your name is really like the closest
thing to your identity. If you read like
stuff about influence and persuasion,
they'll say, "Use the person's name
because it makes them feel good, right?"
It's like a cheap like persuasion
tactic, but it really is the closest
thing to us. But that is what we see as
our identity. Yet, it wasn't even given
to us. It was given to us by our
parents. So most people just accept the
identity that that they were given. This
is what I mean by it. And so it's only
by
it really is exiting the matrix. It is
becoming conscious to realize zoom out
what is actually happening to then be
able to change their identity. But like
in that Google Maps example, when the
person's going the wrong way and they
realize it, then they just keep going
because now they've committed. They're
already halfway. turning back feels more
painful to admit maybe I was wrong.
People don't want to be told that
they're wrong or admit that they're
wrong because that does not feel good.
Yet, that's how people get stuck in the
same patterns year after year after year
and they can't change it.
>> You said something along the lines of uh
people's identity is
modeled after the individual with the
most authority in their lives. Is that
the individual, the system? What gives
something authority necessarily?
What gives something authority is
do you believe this thing is true? Now,
there's many different facets that will
go into what creates a belief system.
You can study religions for example and
cults. What's actually happening there?
Well, soon as you go into religion,
you're given what? An identity. So if
you were Christian and I asked who are
you? You would have said I'm Jack. I'm
Christian
>> as an identity statement. So that's
already filling a gap. It's making you
feel a sense of connection which is
ultimately a human need that we all
have. You can call it love as well. It's
something we deeply all desire. It's
giving you a form of significance. It's
making you feel like okay yeah I'm part
of something. It might make you feel
like you're contributing as well to
something. These are all parts of your
own human needs that are going to make
you subscribe to something. The
religious institution is going to meet
those needs. It's also going to give you
like a home, a sense of safety. These
are things that a lot of people feel
like they're missing in their life or a
schooling system. The teacher is put in
a position of authority. There's all of
these subtle things that happen. The
teacher tells you to stand, you stand.
The teacher tells you to stand in the
line outside. These are all subtle cues
that are basically putting that that
person in a position of authority over
you. And every time that you comply,
they're gaining more and more authority
over you.
I would guess it's either the person
you're looking at has something that you
want but don't have, or the person
you're seeing as an authority has the
ability to take away what you have or
punish you.
>> Yes. And if you whittle that down to the
universal principal, it's pain or
pleasure. So in that example with the
the school teacher, if you don't line up
outside, there's a consequence, right?
You'll get detention. If you do and you
follow the instructions, you'll get good
grades and then you'll get a good job
and then you know how does that work out
for most people though? Not very well,
right? So it it ultimately comes down to
these two things, pain and pleasure. So
we're either looking to avoid pain or
move towards reward. That's that's
really the only reasons we do everything
in our life.
>> And why do human beings specifically
have this natural urge to look at
someone else to get their truth about
the world?
A herd mentality.
People will never admit this, but what
everybody's looking for is somebody to
follow, somebody to tell them what to
think, somebody to tell them what to
believe, because they ultimately do not
know what to really think and what to
believe. Because the thought of asking
those questions is terrifying because
that then means they don't know and
that's the unknown and then that comes
back to the question who am I which you
know it's only really by taking time
with yourself you can really understand
this there was a study done on men and
they basically gave them two options you
can either situ alone in a room in
silence for 10 minutes or you can be
electrocuted most men chose to be
electrocuted because the idea of being
by themselves with their own thoughts
and then what would come up in those
thoughts was more painful than the
physical pain of an electric shock.
>> So most of humanity's problems can be
solved by just sitting in a room in
silence and just meeting those fears,
those parts of yourself. But
people will do everything that they can
to avoid that. That's why you use social
media because it's a contin it's a
guarantee with absolute certainty. It's
going to give you connection. It's going
to give you novelty. It's going to give
you all of these emotions so that you
can avoid what's really going on in
here.
>> So, there's essentially two choices.
It's one like decide your own reality uh
and risk being kicked outside of the
tribe or join the tribe and whoever they
follow. And it's usually easier to just
join the tribe and observe the person
with the authority.
>> So you have a big audience that's
continuing to grow.
How much of that fear do you still feel?
Because you have to obviously get over a
lot of it to be able to be where you are
now. But does that ever come up for you?
I would suspect no because I don't know
what fear you're referencing.
>> Oh, the fear of being judged. being
no you can't think about that and do
this for this long. You know what I
mean?
>> Yeah. So in your case, you were able to
overcome that fear
>> to be able to get to here, right? But
for a lot of people who might want to do
something in the spotlight, that's the
very thing that holds them back because
like you said in the tribe example,
they're having to exit that tribe or the
religious example or the family example.
It's all basically the same thing.
So you said a lot of our identity and
beliefs are shaped during the childhood
0 to8 ages because we're in that f theta
state. I guess for people growing up or
people with kids, what do you think is
the single most damaging sentence a
parent can say to a child? Like that one
line that sticks in their head for many,
many years.
The most damaging sentence a parent can
say to their child is I am disappointed
in you.
Not you did this thing wrong or that was
bad or you're stupid. Cuz those are all
things that the child did. So if the
child did something wrong like they
messed up on a school test, that's okay.
That's not them personally. Maybe
they'll feel a sense of guilt about
that, but then they'll get over it. But
when a parent says, "I'm disappointed in
you." That's talking directly to the
child's sense of self, their self-image,
their identity. And that doesn't mean
you did something wrong, that means I am
wrong. And so therefore, the child feels
shame. And when somebody feels shame,
this is really the the heaviest emotion
somebody can carry. And then how does
this manifest in their life? Well, if I
feel shameful, if I don't feel good
enough, if I don't feel like I deserve
things, somebody could then turn into,
say, a people pleaser. Maybe they become
the type of person who just wants to do
everything for everybody else and prove
that they're enough even if it's the at
the expense of themselves. Or, and this
is even worse, they could go the other
way. They could become more aloof and
become more closed off to opening
themselves up because of the
vulnerability that comes with that. So
it's better to at least stay away so
then I don't have to open myself up to
the potential of being wrong.
>> So these develop in core different fears
whether it's fear of rejection, fear of
not being good enough. Um a lot of
people it's fear of failure as well.
This is a really big one that hold
people back. But they all ultimately
come from the same place, the same
programming that happens when they were
younger. But I don't really even need to
focus on that. If I'm helping somebody
overcome it, I don't care about what
happened to you. With all due respect,
all I care about is where do you want to
go? And so whatever you focus on is what
you'll experience. So if you're focused
on, okay, well my parent did this to me
at that time. Now we understand that
that's just what's going to keep
manifesting, right? That's what you're
going to keep hypnotizing yourself to
believe the attachment to that story.
Because even though you consciously want
to move away from it, there's also this
part of you that kind of secretly likes
it because it's comfortable, it's
familiar, right? So to let go of that
means to almost let go of a part of your
sense of self and then it comes back to
the question, who am I? And then to
answer that question creates the space
to actually say, well actually I'm this
type of person. The most powerful
statement somebody can make is I am.
Because this is the closest part to our
identity. But the problem is is people
are using words that are unknowingly
making themselves sabotage themselves.
So there's really three words that you
should never say. The first is I need
to. The second word is I should. And the
third is really the most dangerous,
which is I try to because if I
try
to pick up this bottle of water right
now, this is me trying,
right? It's not happening. And this is
how most people live in their life. They
try to do things, but that just means to
not do, like Yoda said, right? You
either do or you do not. So then once
you delete those words from your
vocabulary, you can replace them now
with new words.
I am is the most powerful. I want to, I
get to, I'd love to. And immediately,
even as you say these words in your own
mind, notice how you just feel
differently about yourself. Like the
sense of assurance that gives you, the
sense of confidence that gives you just
by changing the words because the
language is the gateway to the
subconscious mind. So there's language
that other people will say that you'll
take in but then there's language in
your own mind your selft talk and then
the third is the words that you speak
out this is really the most powerful. So
this is using just these three words
will immediately shift how you view
yourself which will shift how you act
which will ultimately shift your
results. An interesting one about I am
uh I was talking to my wife about this
last night is that I think a reason that
manifestation could work theoretically
just that concept is if you say I am a
billionaire I'm not uh
and we have free will theoretically then
that would mean you get to choose your
identity so if you're choosing your
identity then the world around you
should shape to that identity
theoretically.
>> Yeah. Uh, have you thought about that
concept?
>> I did this to myself. So, when I started
doing what I do now, it was only a year
and a half ago and Maggie, my fiance, is
behind me. I was sitting in her dad's uh
house and I was kind of at a point in my
life where I'm like, "Okay, what the
heck do I do?" And that was when I
stumbled across hypnosis again. I
started 12 hours a day just getting
enthralled in it. I was hypnotized by
the this idea that you can just change
who you are like that at the snap of the
fingers. And so I said, "Well, I need to
see if this [ __ ] actually works and try
it on myself." So that day I decided I'm
going to be a hypnotist for
billionaires, for the most influential
people in the world, for successful
athletes, for pop stars, celebrities,
whoever. And Maggie, the thing I love
about her, she believes in me probably
more than I even believe in myself. But
even in that moment, she was thinking,
"Well,
there's no billion dollars, like you
said, right? like what's what what's the
to base this off? But I had so much
self-belief.
I chose to believe it by getting so
associated to it by telling myself it by
feeling it that within
literally like days people started to
come and within months the goal that I'd
set out for 3 years from now happened in
terms of the types of people I was
working with. So the problem for most
people of why them just saying I'm a
billionaire doesn't work is because they
don't actually believe it. And it's not
actually their real goal,
right? It's not what they actually want
because why do you want to be a
billionaire? Do you even understand what
comes with that? You have no idea what
comes with that. I work with
billionaires. I see the life that they
live. I would not want to trade lives
with almost any of them because of all
of the baggage that comes with that.
Now, this is why people won't actually
it won't actually happen because deep
down in their subconscious, they know
it's not what they actually want. And so
for this to really work, I'll only
hypnotize someone for something like
that when it's truly what they actually
want. And to understand what somebody
truly wants, we have to go layers deeper
to understand why. What's the purpose
behind it? How does this connect? Why is
this a 100% absolute must that this is
where I'm going no matter what and I'm
willing to give up everything for it?
When you have that and you can get clear
on that, then if you're saying those
things to yourself, they'll actually
happen. I guess through the lens of
hypnosis, like what what do you think is
the key reason that most people don't
have what they want? Like is it a
belief?
>> They don't believe they deserve it
deep down. They don't believe that they
should have the success that they
deserve the recognition
that they can even be healthy in good
shape. Like people are the reason why
people are obese is because
psychologically
they believe they should be obese
because that's their sense of selfworth.
It's all psychological. It has nothing
to do with food. So that is
fundamentally the reason why. It's that
they believe that they deserve to be
there because of their own self-concept.
I guess to touch on to your story for a
bit like what would you say is the most
important moment from your childhood to
understand who you are and why you do
what you do?
>> I would say when I was around eight or
nine years old, my parents would
continuously split up and so this
happened maybe nine times throughout my
childhood. And so I would always see my
mom
upset, in pain, suffering,
and we didn't grow up with a lot of
money, but I could tell that the money
wasn't really the problem. It was
something deeper inside of her on an
emotional level. And I remember this one
day when she was so upset with my dad
and I got so angry about this situation
that I literally remember grabbing a
baseball bat for when my dad was coming
home to like literally want to hit him
with this thing. And in that moment I
realized that okay I actually don't have
the tools to know how to deal with this
properly. So that made me obsessed with
understanding humans, human behavior,
human psychology, how we work because I
never wanted to see someone suffer like
that again. So that was kind of what led
me on this whole journey of personal
development, understanding the mind and
and all of that kind of stuff. It was
just wanting to alleviate more people
from that. And so with what I do now,
people kind of see the the success side
that people get from it, which is
awesome. But really,
I'll kind of reveal it now, I guess, for
the first time. I'm just doing that to
give people what they want so I can give
them what they need cuz I know that as
soon as they get the million dollars or
the whatever, they'll realize that that
doesn't actually fulfill them. And this
is just what happened in my own life. I
didn't know this back then. So after
university, supposed to be an investment
banker, that didn't happen. I couldn't
do it. So I went back to working, trying
to start businesses from my parents
shed. And I was just obsessed with,
okay, I need to make money so I can
create freedom. That happened shortly
after. And I'll never forget the day I
moved into a penthouse. This was my idea
of success and significance. And I
remember looking out at the skyline of
London and all I could think inside was
if this is what success is, why do I
feel so empty inside? And that was
really a point where I realized, okay,
there's more to this equation than just
success. There is a
algorithm for success. There is a
mechanism. It's it's a science. But then
fulfillment is different. It's more like
an art form. So I got really more into
that journey and then that was kind of
over the 12 years I really then realized
okay now I know how to combine these
things together.
>> What was the reason you didn't feel
uh successful in that penthouse?
>> It wasn't that I didn't feel successful.
See
we do everything for an emotion. So to
the person who maybe is listening who
maybe even has some of that success
already,
you did that to ultimately feel good
enough about yourself or give yourself a
sense of security or a sense of
selfworth.
But then if you're somebody who's
created any level of success, you'll
quickly realize that's very shortlived.
It's just because it's only dealing on
the very superficial layer. What we
really want is something much deeper.
It's love, right? It's a it's a
community. It's uh somebody to rely on.
It's somebody to believe in us. I didn't
have any of those things because I
sacrificed
those things for success. And so many
people do that along the way. The
billionaires I'm working with, it's
really often times this stuff. They're
not asking, "How do I make another
billion dollars?" They know they know
how to make the money. It's okay, now
I've done this. How do I clean up all of
the, you know, fires that I set off
along the way? How do I rectify this
relationship with my kids who I haven't
seen or my or my wife or you know my
team see me as this a aggressor type
person. So that's more what I mean when
I say that. And then on the uh
story you told about the bat, when you
think about the other significant
moments in your childhood, the ones that
shaped you,
did you ever attempt to erase any of
those memories, any of those experiences
or alter the way you saw them?
So yes, but not in the way you think.
So, actually, a lot of the quote unquote
traumatic things that happened in my
life, I didn't even know that they
happened until I started getting into
this work because my mind literally
deleted them automatically. And for a
lot of people, if they've had a
challenging childhood, one of the ways
that they deal with it is by just
deleting it from their mind so that they
don't have to deal with the emotion
anymore. Now, of course, I understand
how to do that consciously, and there's
techniques with hypnosis and techniques
with NLP that I'll take people through
to delete that, but it's not that you
want to completely forget it. You just
want to forget the emotion that was
associated to it. Because a memory
without the painful emotion is just a
memory, right? Like for example, you can
think about maybe your first heartbreak.
I remember mine like, you know, and I
remember the pain I was in at the time
and maybe you do too. And you felt this
every emotion, right? Sadness, anger,
apathy, shame. And it was such a strong
emotion. And yet suddenly, if you look
back to that now from where you're
currently at, all of those emotions you
felt then, you probably don't feel
anymore because you've moved past it,
right? You've it's still there, but
you've essentially deleted the emotion
that was attached to it. That's really
what when I talk about deletion what I
really mean
>> right you said in the childhood
if a parent says something along the
lines of you are not what was it I am
disappointed in you is a common thing
that the people you work with like a
common thing they do is they
don't separate the behavior out from the
disappointment and they just assume that
they're disappointed holistically. Is
that what most people do when they hear
that kind of phrasing?
>> Yeah. So, if you think back to
childhood, you're in a trance like we
talked about. And then who do you listen
to more than anybody? Your parent
because they're that authority figure.
So, they're also your sense of safety.
So, as a child, you're constantly
scanning for am I safe? Am I safe? So,
if a parent says that, the words
almost don't even matter as much as the
emotion behind it. So that's really what
the child is taking on. And their whole
world can crumble with just a few words.
And often times the crazy thing is that
it's not even with words, it's just with
actions. So if a dad starts spending
more time away, maybe even if it's just
at work, a child might say, "Oh, my dad
doesn't love me." Right? And that was
even my view of my dad. He was working
all the time because he came to the UK
with from being wealthy in Africa
actually is where he grew up to then
being kicked out of the country leaving
at gunpoint to coming to the UK and
basically living in poverty. So he
worked his entire life to try and give
me a better life. But as a child I
didn't see that. I just saw my dad's not
here therefore he does not love me or he
does not care about me. And it's only
through being able to kind of understand
this and then heal through it that the
relationship changed. But the the best
thing about this though is that it only
takes one person to change a
relationship. So our relationship
totally changed when I when I started
doing this stuff. And he doesn't even
need to be conscious of it. You know, it
just it just is.
In 1968, psychologists told teachers
that certain randomly picked kids were
about to bloom intellectually. By the
end of the year, the randomly chosen
students had significantly higher IQ
scores. And this phenomenon was called
the Pyalian effect. It basically showed
that the teachers believing the kids
were gifted made them gifted.
How much of your identity is based on
other people's expectations of you?
So the short answer is a lot. Think
about it like this. Have you ever gone
to say another city or another country
where you're trying to do something new
or trying to be somebody new? And maybe
in your current city your family see you
in a certain way. They see you as that
that little boy, you know, Jack from
Kentucky and you had that whole life.
But then suddenly when you're in a new
city and you introduce yourself as Jack,
I do XY Z. That person does what? They
accept your identity statement to them.
To me, accepting that from you
reinforces it back to you. This is why
words are so powerful and speaking them
are so powerful. The problem is is that
most people never even change their
environment to get that opportunity to
do it. Now, this is more like a hack in
reality. you don't have to do this in
order to create that. But it's a heck of
a lot harder when you're trying to
change whilst everybody else around you
still sees you in that certain way.
That's often times why, you know,
particularly for young men and I
experienced this when I was working from
my mom's shed whilst all my friends were
now had these high-flying investment
jobs. I couldn't go out with them. I
couldn't travel around cuz I hadn't made
any success yet. And I was saying, "No,
I'm going to make it. I'm shouting my
affirmations. I've got my vision board
there." yet it's not happened yet. And
so it was a real struggle. It was a real
pain. And for a lot of particularly
younger people at that stage of their
life, this is why they need somebody to
look up to. This is why they find other
figures who give them that sense of
self-belief because they don't get it
from the people around them. So it's
massively shaped from people around you.
Um I think it's a skill set to develop a
discernment filter. And what I mean by
that is just being aware that once you
once you're aware now you aren't
necessarily as susceptible to it. So you
kind of can more consciously choose what
you do take in and do not take in. It's
a really important skill set to have
because
it still shocks me to this day how
people just accept whatever. You know
it's even like it can be something as
simple as you go to Starbucks and
somebody writes your name wrong on the
coffee cup. You just accept it. This was
like, "Okay, yeah, this this person just
spelled my name wrong." Actually, I was
at the airport with with Maggie and uh I
obviously have a different accent to the
people here and they were shouting out
Nike. Nike.
>> I'm so sorry. I think I misunderstood
the Nike story.
>> Okay. What? Who called who? Nike.
>> So, basically, I ordered two coffees and
they asked for the name and I said
Maggie, but they thought I said Nike.
>> Right. But you would have said Nike.
>> Yes. Right.
>> I would have. Yeah, I would have. Yeah.
>> Stupid Americans, man. [laughter] I'm
joking.
>> That's obviously a silly example because
she doesn't think her name's Nike, but
it's more just to illustrate how just
one subtle change
how somebody perceives you can be the
complete difference. The reason why it
didn't create an identity change in that
moment is because the context is this
person is somebody who works at
Starbucks. I don't necessarily see them
as an authority. But if somebody who I
really look up to maybe pronounce my
name slightly differently and maybe you
can think of this in times particularly
when younger if it's a boss or somebody
else who just gives you a nickname as an
example you end up kind of just like
accepting that and and taking that on
right because why you want to be part of
the tribe still I cannot believe that
someone wrote down Nike I mean Starbucks
>> they were like Nike Nike and then Nike
was like I think they're talking about I
think they're talking about me.
[laughter] Did you know that they
actually told their employees to write
down fake names uh as a marketing stunt?
>> I did not know that.
>> Like like they would give people like
ridiculous versions of their name so
people would post it online and do free
advertising for Starbucks.
>> Genius.
>> But I didn't I stopped running that.
>> I don't know. Maybe they didn't get the
memo at this at the airport. [laughter]
>> Nike. Um on ads, you've said quote ads
are hypnosis with a budget. How do
companies hypnotize you to want
something that you don't really need?
So, a company's primary incentive is to
get you to buy something that you are
maybe not even thinking about. So, how
do they do that? Well, the first step is
to create a gap inside of you, right?
And most marketing and advertising is
essentially subcommunicating to you that
you're not good enough as you are. So,
I'll give you an example. We were
driving to this studio I'm going to
start working at in in Hollywood and I'm
just looking at the the ads of the
celebrities or the all the cologn and
they're dressed really nicely and
they've got a big smile on their face
and they're so happy. Now on one level
you might just go well that's just a
celebrity holding a cologne. But what is
it subcommunicating? It's
subcommunicating that this person of
high status and authority who is happy,
who is rich, who's wealthy, who's in
great shape, who has everything you want
in life also uses this cologne. So what
does that then make you think? Ah well
if I have this cologne then I will also
have those things. But they have to make
you feel not good enough as you are
without it. This is the key right? So
often times if you're if you're a smart
marketer you'll use pain as the primary
driver. And it's funny because my my
previous company before this was a
marketing company. So this is what I did
basically all day. And it was it was
honestly like a really it was a tough
point in my life once I started to
understand this of like where's the
moral line. So how a company's
hypnotizing you there's those three
facets of hypnosis. There's the
repetition. So you're seeing the ad
continuously whether it's on your social
media whether it's outside you see it
again and again or you hear or you see
the McDonald's logo you immediately know
what that means because you've seen it
so many times. Then there's the
suggestion which is going to be this is
who you become by using this product or
you're this type of person if you fly
business class and if you don't fly
business class and you fly coach I
believe you call it here then you're
this type of person right and so I
remember feeling this for myself when I
couldn't afford to fly a business class
thinking I hate going into coach why
don't why is this so bad for me and it
was because it was creating a
misalignment with my identity and it
does something. There's a phenomenon
called identity mismatch which is where
you don't believe you are where you
should be right now. If you are affected
on that level by advertising, you'll
slap it on the credit card. You'll make
decisions that even though you know
consciously are bad for you, you cannot
not make them because there's such a
deep disagreement and an internal fight
going on.
>> So they'll do this with the repetition
and and the suggestion. And then the
third one is the emotion. How do you
feel? Well, now I can be in business
class laying back and I'm amongst these
people and I can relax. I can be
comfortable and I now see myself as this
type of person. So this is how it's done
and it's always it's always been done.
But again, when you can see it, then you
don't have to follow it anymore. You can
kind of just look at it more like a
game. And this is the perspective I
encourage people to take on is just like
look at it through the lens of
curiosity. look at it like why is that
happening? not this is bad just okay
well what's actually going on there
because then I really like that mindset
because then now everything is just
working for you everything is happening
for you so that's how I think about it
>> is there a prevalent example that comes
to mind like what's an identity
a company has sold for years to men for
example
>> I would say
Nike or Nike
>> I knew it I knew it [laughter]
>> you know it's in it's in our mind now
right They they've probably done one of
the best marketing campaigns of all time
because Nike never talking about how
good their shoe is. They're never
talking about how the rubber hits the
road or the lace or any of that stuff.
All they're doing is showing these
athletes who are either famous, so
there's the authority that, or they're
in amazing shape, which is also another
uh method of creating authority. uh who
look good like they're having a good
time. So therefore if I buy that shoe I
am then define myself as an athlete.
Now, here's the thing. This can be a
good thing for you as well because if
you now define yourself as an athlete
and you take on that identity, you will
act in accordance, right? It's like if
you became
100 pounds overweight tomorrow, but you
define yourself as a professional
athlete and you were a professional
athlete up until this moment in your
life, then if you gain 100 pounds
tomorrow, how quickly do you think
you're going to lose that weight? Super
fast, right? Why? Because it's your
identity. It's it's who you believe you
are, who you believe you should be, and
you'll always act in accordance with
that. I love that example. Yeah, it's
like it's so obvious. The best athletes
wear this. So, if you want to be the
best athlete, you have to wear that. How
do schools hypnotize kids to be more
obedient? The crazy thing is is this is
actually something that happened to me
when I was at university doing
economics. I was programmed to believe
that
instead of religion some the thing I
should worship is money and this is what
happens to all of us we whatever we go
into is what we're essentially
programmed to right so if you imagine
yourself you're in a school and you're
studying a certain thing there's a crowd
there's an person of authority who's
making you believe this by changing
ultimately what you put on a pedestal
what you look up to, what is the carrot
at the end of the stick. And honestly,
this was a really personal one because I
did that, you know, I I genuinely
stopped believing in God and I became
atheist for a period of time because
everybody around me had the same thing.
It was just get this job, make this
money. And that h well, I did the
business, but I made money. And then lo
and behold that was the day at the top
of the balcony looking over the skyline
of London having the success but feeling
the deep sense of dissatisfaction right
and so I was I was that happened to me
right and and it happens to all of us
and everyone can probably think of how
that has also happened to them but you
got to realize that it's all done for
one reason which is ultimately control
And people will often times demonize
control. It's not necessarily a bad
thing. There is a necessary amount of
control that is needed for a society to
run functionally. It's just that here's
actually the most valuable thing I can
say here. The way to escape all of this
and in the school example is simply just
to question why. Is that true? How do
you know? If you can just question your
reality, and I don't know if you're one
of those kids who asked questions or
not, but imagine if you're the kid who
asks the questions. How does that rub
the teacher up the wrong way? How
frustrated do they get? Right. Because
>> isn't that so funny that teachers don't
like kids who ask a bunch of questions?
>> Yeah. Well, why do you think that is?
>> I don't know. Because they didn't ask a
bunch of questions, which made them a
good student, which allowed them to
become a teacher in the first place.
>> Yeah. And that teacher is essentially
running on a script, right? Like I do
these things and I should get this
result and then this will happen. But
then what's happening is kids are
starting to wake up. They're getting
their information from different
sources. You could argue they're getting
hypnotized from other places, but
they're starting to ask this. This is
why the schooling system is falling
apart literally right in front of us
because it just simply does not work. So
the number one thing anyone can do is
just question like why is this the way
that it is? And often times when you do
that, you immediately then realize, oh,
I don't have to accept this reality. And
yeah, you might ruffle a few feathers
doing it, but I believe that's the whole
point, isn't it? It'd be pretty boring
[laughter] without that. Do you think AI
is hypnotizing people?
So, if we look at how we interact with
AI,
how do you use AI? What role does it
currently play in your life?
There is a form of relationship there
first of all. And if you're going to to
anything
for information, there's a unconscious
contract that this thing is essentially
knows more than you do. Meaning there is
a sense of authority with the air. So
what do most people use air for? They
use it to just search almost like the
internet. And so what happens after
that? It means you develop trust with
it,
>> which then means you will actually start
to do what it says or outsource
your belief systems to it. So often
times if somebody asks somebody a
question over text, think about if
you've ever done this. Somebody's ask
you a question, maybe you're not exactly
sure how to answer it. What do you go
and do? You screenshot it. you put it
into your AI and then you say, "How
would you answer this?" And then you
look at the answer to that and you
think, "Ah, that's a great answer. I'm
gonna just use that answer. Maybe I'll
edit it slightly, right? Or an email or
whatever it might be." So, you're
already in a chance with it because it's
it's influencing you on such a deep
level because it feels like it knows you
almost better than you know yourself,
which in some ways you could argue is
true cuz essentially AI is like a
physical form of universal consciousness
because it's kind of like a collective,
right? Obviously, the dangerous part
with that is you don't know who's really
programming it and you don't know
necessarily what their intentions are.
But to a massive degree with how we
currently use it, but then as we start
merging more with AI, I think that it
won't even be
a hypnosis because it's just going to
become part of us. It's such a deep part
of our identity that we will get to a
point where we just are one with it. So
I think it even goes deeper than
hypnosis. I think it goes into universal
consciousness. And if you look at even
Elon, you know, he thinks within 10
years like the AI is it's pretty much
we're like a primate compared to
actually watched a great interview with
him this morning where uh the
interviewer was asked like she didn't
believe that AI would overtake us like
that. And he said, "Well, how do you
look at chimpanzeee? Obviously, we're
much more developed than them." And he
gave the example that, "Well, we're
basically just an evolved chimpanzee,
and AI has only got to get smarter, and
we still eat bananas." [laughter]
So,
it's influencing us right now on a level
that I don't think anyone actually
understands, even the founders of the
these AI companies, because it's it's
ultimately
>> shaping their decisions at this point.
>> Exactly. So,
yeah, that I don't want to go down the
whole like sinister conspiracy route
here, but like I think there's a good
chance that we will pretty much be
controlled by AI, if not if we aren't
already.
The thing is, the problem with it is
that when you think about it, people
imagine there's just going to be these
robots on the street. We won't even know
it's happened. That's the thing. It's
like when somebody is being unknowingly
hypnotized. That's the key. It's
unknowing. They don't even know that
it's happening. So, it's kind of the the
way to do that is step by step, slowly
slowly. It's kind of like the analogy of
slowly boiling the frog in the water.
You ever heard of that? Just turning up
a degree at a time until the frog
realizes that it's too late. it's
already boiled.
So, I think about this concept with God
a lot is that the God people worship
isn't the one that they actively choose
to worship, but it's the thing that
they're consciously or they're
unconsciously thinking about all the
time. Like you'd said earlier, I
worshiped money instead of like a
creator or like some other thing. And I
would guess that the people listening to
this often think about money more in the
day than they do about God, even though
they call themselves a Christian. Uh,
and I think we're shifting from money to
AI being the thing that is on the
collective consciousness's mind right
now. You know what I mean? I I had a I
had a new client yesterday, 25-year-old
kid. He's making like 750 grand a month,
super successful, and he wanted to
change his value systems, right? And
values are a part of your identity. And
he said, you know, I want to value, you
know, love more and peace and all of
these things. And I said, okay, what do
you currently value? And he said, well,
I don't know. And I said, just look at
your calendar and your search history.
That's what you value, right? That's
essentially what you worship. So,
whatever you put the most time and
energy into is what you're currently
woriing,
>> right?
>> And this comes back to the advertising
thing of like, why do we get so pushed
to just have to do more, have to do
more, have to achieve more? Like when is
enough enough? When can you just say I
am enough as I am? I'm good enough as I
am.
But you can't say that because if you
say that then you would have to
potentially lose that driver that's
pushing you. It's like being on a
hamster wheel. The hamster can't get off
the hamster wheel because that's all
that the hamster knows.
It takes a lot to to just say like I'm
done. But so for so many people,
including myself, you have to get to a
point of enough pain where you just say,
"Okay, I'm just going to make a
decision. It's enough is enough. I'm
willing to
let go of that, let go of the money, let
go of the desire for this, and then true
abundance will come." But the and then
part is the unknown, which is so
difficult to believe that it could be
true. that okay, if I stop pushing, if I
stop operating from fear, if I stop this
hamster wheel that I've put myself on,
that more can come. And I can tell you
in just my own anecdotal experience and
the people I've worked with is that as
soon as you don't need something anymore
and you stop chasing,
that's when you're given it in
abundance. It's kind of like that catch
22, you know, of of as soon as you don't
need it, then you have it almost like a
dating analogy, right? If you're
pursuing a girl and you really really
want her, in some way it's almost can
push her away, but then as soon as
you're able to take a step back and just
be good as you are, you immediately
attract her to you. It's it's the same
kind of concept with money as well.
>> Do you think it's more important to not
need something and that leads to getting
it or do you think it's more important
to feel as though you already have it?
No one has ever asked me that question.
That is such a good question. So, is it
important to feel like you already have
something or to not need it, which is
essentially detachment that you're
speaking to?
My gut says to feel like you already
have it because if you feel like you
already have it, by default, you then
don't need it because you already have.
So, say we'll use a billionaire example.
If you truly feel, and this is one of
the things I'll do, I'll hypnotize very
successful people into that billionaire
identity. Has nothing to do with the
money. Sure, the money is a byproduct,
but it's the identity of it. So, if you
feel like you have those things, let's
say you feel like you're enough, you
have confidence, you feel amazing inside
of yourself, then you're automatically
detached from it. So,
yeah, I would say the first.
>> Why does that work
mechanistically? Like why do you think
it works?
>> I think it's just a universal law. You
know, it's like you look at the hermetic
principles, as above so below. The I
only have one tattoo on my arm, which I
don't know if the camera can pick it up,
but
I have this little equation on my arm
right here that says is equals ER, which
stands for internal state equals
external reality. And so the idea is is
that your internal state is just your
thoughts created by your mind, emotions
created by your body, and then your
environment. So who you surround
yourself with, where you are. From my
journey so far and the people that I've
worked with, these are really the three
principles I work on. Because if you can
become
in alignment with the reality that you
already want,
it's a universal principle. You can even
get into quantum physics with this lack
of tracks. Like I think that's what
quantum physics is kind of figuring out
right now. But from my experience so
far, that's it. Or if you take a more
practical example, we're a little bit
less woowoo and a little bit more
grounded.
If you actually I'll give you an example
of the the one of my favorite movies is
Catch Me If You Can. You seen that one?
>> No, but I I've heard about it.
>> Okay. So, basically, it's Leonardo
DiCaprio as a kid and he's impersonating
being different jobs like he's a pilot
in one and he's a lawyer. He has no
skill in any of these things yet he acts
as if so he turns up certain confident
he's not in other people's frame he's a
teacher even teaching from a textbook
right and because of that because he
acts that way reality aka other people
treat him that way simply because he
just acted as if so if we can look at it
on the individual level kind of makes
sense that it would just work this way
you heard of the book uh Think and Grow
Rich
>> right It's a super famous personal
development, self-help book around
money. The funny thing about that book,
this is credited as like the number one
self-development book of all time by a
lot of smart people. That book was
written by a con man. [snorts]
>> The guy literally was just made it up.
Like his whole journey, the whole story,
he just made it up. He just acted as if
and then he became one of the most
notable people of all time, Napoleon
Hill or whatever his name is. I think
that we
can truly just select who we want to be.
And if you I can even do a quick test
right now if you want to just try it.
This will take [snorts] 60 seconds. So
if you want to try it, just close your
eyes. Now imagine yourself as the
version of yourself that you want to be
wherever you are. The success, the
finance, the relationship, all of it.
Now how does that version of yourself
walk? How do they talk? How do they
breathe? What is their posture? How do
they articulate themselves? How do they
look people in the eye? Take a deep
breath into that.
Exhale. Now, open your eyes. All you
have to do is act like that person, the
version of yourself that you feel like
right now. If you just do that every
single day, it will change all of your
actions. And immediately, if anybody
wants to try that at home, just try
that. Replay that bit. What what I just
did. it took 10 seconds and then go and
do whatever action you wanted to do. I
can bet you that it will change the
outcomes of your results.
>> That's fascinating how quickly that
works.
>> And this is why I always say it is
easier to change fast than slow by the
way. So if you think about if I have a
band-aid on my arm
and I want to rip it off slowly, hair by
hair, it's coming out. Painful, right?
Whereas I just rip the band-aid off,
it's done. And that's really how
identity change works. It is actually
easier to do this stuff quickly when
you're working on the right layer
because your mind doesn't have a chance
to intervene.
>> A study I found on that uh and it kind
of highlights the ideas that you've been
talking about here was there was
something called the Batman effect where
they took a group of kids and told them
to complete a boring repetitive task on
a computer and then they took a second
group of kids told them to do the same
task but pretend to be Batman while they
worked. And the ones who pretended to be
Batman work significantly longer than
the kids who were just being themselves.
Like why does borrowing someone else's
identity beat improving your own? Or do
you think the second one is more
optimal?
You can copy someone else's identity
from them. And the crazy thing is is
this is usually the fastest way to
actually start. Now this doesn't mean
it's the best way till the end, but it's
the fastest way to start. Why? because
we can mirror something so much easier
than we can create it ourself. So if you
see Batman, you know, in that example we
just did 10 seconds ago, how does Batman
show up? How does he speak? What is his
aura, his presence? It's very easy to
imitate that. This is how we learn as
children,
>> right? Like we just look at our parents
and we don't listen to what they say. We
just copy what they do. So that's how we
work as people. We just copy. We we
imitate. we emulate. And so many people
get stuck in I need to find like the
secret five-step process or I need to
understand this piece of knowledge or I
need to get this certificate. No, dude.
If you just act like the person you want
to be and often times if there is
already a person who is what you want to
be, this is why mentors are so powerful,
you'll get 80% of the way there. Now,
the trap with that is that if you just
blindly copy till the end, there's
probably going to be certain value
systems, belief systems, actions that
you may not want to emulate. But it's a
freaking great place to start if you're
starting from the beginning. And I would
even say as a challenge to your viewers
listening to this, just try it. Like
imagine if you were to, you know,
whoever you like, if whoever your
favorite superhero is, right? Like when
I was a kid, it was Spider-Man for me.
So, I'd be like slinging webs, jumping
around on the couch, like in my mind as
a child, I'm temporarily Spider-Man. And
then I also have all of the same
emotions, the same uh mannerisms as
Spider-Man. And so, one of the first
things I'll do is before we started this
podcast, I went like this, right?
Because this for me is like it's an
anchor with something from NLP, right?
It's putting me into a certain state,
but it's also like a superhero state.
So, I do that all the time before I'm
doing anything like podcast or going on
camera or something like that just
because it immediately puts me into that
identity. But the more you consume
something unconsciously and it's
repeating the same thing to you, you'll
just naturally take on those mannerisms
and characteristics. Anyway, this is why
I gave the Tate example earlier, just
cuz you just had him on and it's such a
clear one for guys. It's like what
happened? people started dressing like
him, talking like him, doing the same
things as him. And this was a very big
threat to to mainstream, right? Because
>> you think so?
>> Well, if you have 10 million Andrew
Tates walking around, it's going to be
pretty difficult to to control the
society, right? So
whether you want to argue if that's good
or bad or not, it's a big threat to the
system. So this is what's happening,
right? He was hypnotizing them. they
were emulating him and they weren't
conforming to modern society. Right?
That's a massive threat. So this is why
the control all of these mechanisms are
put in place to stop people from doing
that. Yeah. People often talk about
parasocial relationships like they feel
connected with tape, but in reality like
there's a lot of I think I saw this word
in like a Substack article like
telesocial relationships where people
emulate the thing that they want to be
like. But it seems like there's not a
lot of superheroes to emulate, which I
find interesting. Do you know what I
mean by that?
>> Like there's not a lot of people in
culture that if you emulated them, you'd
be like the strongest, smartest, best
version of yourself.
>> Well, who's your favorite superhero?
>> I like the villains, but I I'd say I'd
say Batman. Yeah, I'd say Batman.
>> What about the Joker?
>> I'd say the Joker. Yeah, [laughter]
that's definitely the best.
>> I could see you like What? No, we're
going to What do you like about the
Joker?
Uh, it's clever, smart, funny,
ruthless. Have you ever gone to a
Halloween party as a Joker?
>> We were going to one year, but I dressed
like Tai Lopez.
>> Um,
[laughter] knowledge.
>> That's epic. But think about this,
right? Because this is valuable. So
smart, clever, the other words that you
said. This is how you see yourself
>> consciously or unconsciously. That's why
you like it,
>> right?
>> Right. So notice this. No one's favorite
superhero is Superman. Like almost
nobody. Why? Because Superman is shown
to be perfect. There's no flaws in him,
which is unrelatable, which is why
nobody likes him. People like Batman cuz
he has that dark side to him. People
like Spider-Man because he's like
secretly kind of a dork, right? But then
he gets these superpowers. So it gives
people the hope that, oh, I can also do
the same thing. And with all of the
other superheroes, same with the Joker.
He has maybe more flaws visibly and he's
evil, he's a bad guy, whatever. But then
probably there's part of you who likes
that, right? Who likes to see yourself
like that. It's like tantalizing. It
feels it feels good.
>> What's the most shocking thing you've
hypnotized someone to do?
>> I've had people ask me to do shocking
things. So, I had a guy in Monaco last
year asked me to hypnotize him to be
gay. Like legit wanted to pay me for it.
That was one. I didn't do that one.
>> Did you hypnotize him to be gay? I
didn't because it just goes against my
morals and ethics. Although I really
thought it'd be hilarious to do, but
it's possible. Yeah. Well, people are
hypnotized to be gay
all the time, right? Think about how
many people now are gay or even
transgender now versus 10 years ago. You
can probably pull up a stat to support
that. I don't know the number. It's a
lot more people than it used to be. Why?
Where did that influence come from?
a thousand different places. I'm not
sure.
>> Yeah.
>> But that's something that that's
something that has happened. I I want to
think You want something shocking? Did
you hypnotize your mom on FaceTime?
My auntie, sorry. My auntie,
how did you hypnotize her on FaceTime?
So, my auntie, she's about 60 years old
and she'd been a smoker for her entire
life since 13. So, 47 years if I math
correct. And smoking at this point was
just part of her identity. It was part
of habitual system. She did it every
single day. And she came to me because
she wanted she saw what I was doing and
she was like, "Can you help me?" So I
said, "Yeah, of course." Now she's in
the UK. I was in Dubai at the time. So I
just FaceTimed her and I said, "You want
to quit smoking?" She said, "Yes." So, I
hypnotized her on FaceTime and all I did
was make her get a cigarette,
put it to her mouth, and then I made her
believe that that cigarette was rotting
raw chicken breast. So much so that the
smell of it, the taste of it was now
what she associated with that. That was
number one. And if that wasn't deep
enough, then I made her just simply go
to forward in her life to the point
where she passed away due to the smoking
and then have her see her children's
faces when she was passing away and
associate all of that pain to the
cigarette. It's like a little bit
morbid, but you know, um, and she never
smoked again. She doesn't smoke anymore.
No, that's wild, actually. uh through
FaceTime. Um is that the most common
thing that people come to you for? Is to
stop addictions or is it to build
wealth? Is it to get their wife back?
Like what is
>> I mean I'd say the most common in
general hypnotherapy is probably like a
habit or quitting smoking or something
like that. Like I can do that stuff.
It's it's fine. Um but it's not really
my focus. What I'm really passionate
about is I was an entrepreneur for 10
years first. I then created this
company. It's called conscious
entrepreneur. The mission of it raised
the class of consciousness of
entrepreneurs. Why? Because
entrepreneurs change the world not
governments. In my belief system, I
believe it is entrepreneurs who create
change. So if I can influence
entrepreneurs in a positive way, it's
fulfilling that mission. So the main
thing that I do is basically help
entrepreneurs who are doing something
net positive into the world to become
the absolute be biggest and best version
of themselves in their own definition.
So whether that does mean making a lot
more money or whether that just means
like being in much better shape or
whether that just means their
self-concept or whether that means you
know so many there was a guy who called
Adam who came to me he saw me on
Instagram I think and he said you know
really great I've worked with this
therapist I know what my problems are
like okay great but do you still have
them yeah [laughter]
and so when I got into his problem and
this is one of the most common things
people come to me for they're already a
successful person, they're motivated,
but it really is. You would label it as
procrastination or self-sabotage. And
you'd be shocked and think, well, surely
like a successful entrepreneur or
billionaire doesn't have that. They have
it the worst because for him in his
specific situation, what happened is
I'll give a quick story. He became
really successful in his business. He
moved to Dubai, had this crazy life and
then people started copying what he did.
There was one specific guy who copied
him so closely that he also moved to
Dubai. He also started the same business
did same building he lived in same car
but he was doing a really shitty job
as what his business was which was a
coaching company and so people started
to hate this guy get bad reviews and it
gave him a bad name and through that
association he then kind of took that on
and saying well I don't want to do that
I'm not that kind of person I started
doing this for good reasons so he
started to do less and less and less and
he just could not get himself to do the
work he even stopped working out he was
in great shape for and his whole
identity kind of just like became a
shell of himself. And so when I
hypnotized him, all I did was help him
to delete the trauma associated to that
and just replace it with who he who
really who he really was.
Took 30 minutes. He left, got into his
his Lambo, drove home to his girlfriend,
now wife, got three speeding tickets,
picked up flowers for her for the first
time in a year, gave them to her cuz he
realized he wasn't showing up for her
either. And then he scaled this business
times times five. And these are like the
kind of things that people don't want to
admit that are their problems cuz they
think, "How can I struggle with this?
Oh, I must just be lazy. What does that
mean about me? But it's never to do with
being lazy. It's never to do with
willpower. It's never to do with
discipline. It's just because something
is blocking you from being who you truly
want to be. It's either going to be a
fear, a limiting belief, or a trauma.
Those are the only three things that
will block you. Fear, limit, limiting
belief, trauma. So the thing I use is
called FTL deletion. Just stands for
those three things. Once you remove
that, the block goes and you can just do
the thing. So what do you think is more
important? The replacement or the
removal? The removal is first. It has to
be in that order because if I try and
fill this bottle up and it's already
full, it's just going to overflow,
right? I have to empty the bottle first
to put something in.
>> So, the removal often times can still
create the the outcome, but putting in
the new identity is just going to be
what makes it fast.
>> How do you go about removing that block?
>> So, this is where I use the hypnosis. So
the FTL deletion process that I do, it's
basically just I take you into trance.
And then I have you go back to the
origin of that block, which is step two.
But in order to do that correctly, you
have to be in a state where you're fully
relaxed and disassociated. Right? Once
you go back to what that block is, then
you can basically go through it and
relive it. So if you think about it like
this, what's the fastest way to overcome
a phobia of snakes? See a snake, right?
I put people through that so that they
can face whatever their block is headon
and then it takes about 20 to 30 seconds
to just release it. Now, how do you
release it? I'll zoom in for a moment.
Let's say you're in a really stressful
situation. You're really fearful about
um let's say this whole podcast gets
deleted. I'm not putting that out there.
Okay. How are you going to feel in that
moment, right? Is your mind going to be
really calm and peaceful or is there
going to be a lot of thoughts racing
through it? A lot of thoughts, right?
How's your body going to be feeling? Is
it going to be relaxed like you're
laying on a beach or is it going to be
tight and tense? It's going to be tight
and tense. How's your breathing going to
be? Is it going to be relaxed and slow
and deep or is it going to be shallow in
the chest? Okay, so these are like three
physiological examples of what somebody
is doing by doing the opposite of those.
It undoes the trauma because those
physiological things is what you
experienced when the block happened
whenever it was right related to
childhood, related to the past to simply
just by facing it and doing the
opposite. It releases it and it
literally does not take talking about
it. It doesn't take years of therapy. It
literally just takes a few seconds. And
so this is why the whole therapy thing
honestly pisses me off. I don't think
therapists are bad people, but I just
think they're using tools that are so
outdated and they're so unconscious to
what actually works. It aggravates me
cuz I see every day people come to me
like, "I tried this therapy." And what
does it do? It reinforces
who they don't want to be cuz this
happened to me. That happened to me.
That happened to me. They're running
that script in that old story. It
aggravates me. All I care about is what
do you want? Okay, you want that. Okay,
cool. What's stopping you? This. Let's
remove it few minutes. Okay, now let's
focus on where you want to go. That's
fascinating. Yeah. I so if you're
picturing a snake and you picture your
physical reaction to a snake do the
opposite and associate that with snakes
then it makes you unfearful. I can even
give you a basic version of it now if
you want to try it.
>> Sure.
>> So this is an NLP technique that I teach
to the billionaires that I work with and
also I use every single day. So
>> close your eyes. Anybody else can do
this as well. This is only going to take
about 60 seconds. Imagine something that
you are fearful of or something bad that
happened, something you're avoiding. It
could be in the past or something you're
anxious about in the future. Have you
got something?
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. Now, imagine that you're looking
at it on a screen, like a movie screen,
10 in in front of your face. You see it?
Now, see it playing out? Now, all I want
you to do is just put a red border
around that screen. And now, start to
move that screen out far and away from
you. So it goes a mile away, 10 miles
away, 100 miles away, a thousand miles
away. It gets smaller and smaller and
smaller and smaller until it gets so
small that just like an old movie, that
screen goes black and white. And then
loads of squiggly lines go over it. And
the further away it goes, the harder it
becomes to associate with. And you
remember to forget the emotion
associated to that event. Notice if you
try and bring up that uncomfortable
feeling now it's gone and it's been let
go of. Notice your body naturally
relaxes. Notice your breathing moves
down into your stomach. Notice
everything slows down. And as you just
take one deep breath in
and all the way out,
[sighs]
notice that it's gone. And now if you
imagine a new screen right in front of
you, you're going to see whatever that
thing is going really well.
Maybe you have a different meaning now.
Maybe it's clearer. You make it bigger.
You make it brighter. You make it so
clear in your mind's eye that you know
it's already done. You can see and feel
maybe sensations in the body associated
with it. And now whenever you try and
think back to that old thing, you're now
going to feel this.
And when you're ready, you can open your
eyes.
It's pretty effective, huh? So this is
just something that people can just do
themselves. Like literally if you just
focus on this part and you just want to
take something practical from today,
just do this. I do this every single day
and you'll be shocked at how quickly you
can just change your association to
something. And obviously you can go way
deeper and I can do it for 10 minutes
and there's a lot more depth to it. But
like just that anyone can do
>> right on who this might work for. All
right. What's a sign that someone's easy
to manipulate? Or maybe a sign that
someone's easy to hypnotize? I think the
wording is important to start with
because
most people think that being easily
hypnotizable means they're easy to
manipulate.
And there is some truth to that, but not
entirely. So, for example, I never
believed I could be hypnotized. Most
people listening to this probably don't
see themselves as a hypnotizable person.
The reason they see themselves like that
is because they consciously think, "Oh,
that means I can easily be manipulated."
And I thought the same thing, too. Until
I started working with these
billionaires and these athletes. And I
started to realize, wait a second, these
guys are so open to it. These guys are
actually the most hypnotizable people.
Why? Because they're open-minded. So
they to get to any point of real success
in your life, you have to go against the
grain, right? It's like Einstein's
definition of insanity. Doing the same
thing over and over again expecting a
different result. You have to do
something different. So the most
successful people I've ever worked with
are the most hypnotizable, but it starts
with that mindset of it. Okay? So,
you know, like you can look at things
called like Chinese face mapping where
you can look at like lines and wrinkles
on the face and if you have a lot of
wrinkles on your face, then you could
argue someone's less hypnotizable. If
you have a smoother face like you do,
you're more hypnotizable. I'm
hypnotizable. But everyone is
hypnotizable anyway because you're
already being hypnotized. It's just that
there's different degrees of how easily
someone can go into hypnosis. But the
more you do it, the easier it becomes.
Actually, it's a skill that I believe
everybody should learn. And the easiest
way to do it is there is a window when
you go to bed every single night for 5
minutes. Okay, just before you're about
to fall asleep, but you're still
conscious where you're capable of self
hypnosis.
>> That is when you're in a dream like
hypnotic state. All you have to do is
just listen to something that is
basically speaking the reality that you
want to hear. Okay? You could
self-record something. If it's me, I'll
obviously make audios for my clients and
you'll just listen to it. If you use
that window just before you fall asleep,
it will create a program in your mind.
So whilst you're in sleep, it will run
that program again and again and it will
subconsciously make you believe that
that reality has already happened. And
so that's the easiest way to
self-hypnotize yourself.
There's another way as well, which is
with a suggestability test. So this is
how to see how hypnotizable you are.
Okay, people can follow along if they
want to try this. So just if you look at
my eyes, if I look up with my eyes, you
can see that they're fluttering a lot
right now. Immediately I'm going into
hypnosis as I'm and my eyes just
literally wanted to close, right? I'm
it's like even to open my eyes right now
is really hard. I'm not faking it. Like
I can do it, but you can see how much
they're fluttering, right? This is
already taking me into a trance. If I
now start speaking what I want in my
mind out loud or listening to something
in this state, I'm already in a more
suggestible state simply because I'm now
more in a trance just like this. So this
is something that and even as I come out
right now it's like wow coming back to
the reality, right? So this is something
anyone can do and
you're doing it anyway because the words
that you're saying in your mind every
single second of every single day are a
form of self hypnosis. So this is why
the removal and the deletion part is so
important because most of the time what
you're speaking in your mind is negative
thoughts because your mind is wired for
survival which is looking out for
threat. But if you can start to delete
those thoughts, let them go naturally
your mind will just become more neutral
and empty and then you can replace it
with the things that you want. And the
more you can do that, the more
hypnotizable and suggestible you'll
become, the faster you can create change
and the faster that feedback loop will
happen because now you get reality
showing you the change and then your
belief just goes up and it just becomes
like a self-fulfilling prophecy,
>> right?
>> Can you brainwash someone to forget
about their ex? So,
I didn't realize this until I started
doing what I'm doing, but a lot of
people would come to me with the pain
point of I'm still thinking about my ex.
I can't get them out of my head. And I
was on a trip recently in Cape Town
earlier this year and I was at a dinner
and this young South African girl was
sitting next to me at the table and she
was like 21, 22 years old and she said,
"Um, can you hypnotize me to forget
about my ex?" And honestly, I'd never
tried it up until that point. And so I
was just asking her some questions. So I
asked her, "Well, how long has it been
since you've been with him?" 3 years. I
was like, "Okay." And you're still
thinking about it? Yes. If you had to
estimate how much time per day do you
believe you're thinking about here? She
said 4 hours a day. Now, I don't know if
it was actually 4 hours, but it was a
lot of time. So if you imagine what's
going on there internally is she's
constantly reliving that because it's
giving her certain emotions, right? And
it's creating that attachment. That's
why the attachment piece is so
important. So she asked me, "Can you
hypnotize me?" And honestly, I just felt
a little bit sorry for her. So I was
like, "Sure, well, let's try." And I
took her through a hypnosis where
honestly similar to kind of what we did
with the screens with a few extra steps
that just made her disassociate not just
from him but the emotions associated to
what she experienced while she was with
him. Cuz it's never about the person,
it's about the feeling. And it's not
even about the feelings they give you.
It's about the feelings you feel when
they are there. So love is a crazy thing
because you think that
you
experience love with this person or this
person gives you love and you feel this
amazing feeling of love, but it's not
actually what's happening. What's
happening is this person is making you
stimulate the emotion inside of yourself
that was already there. It's completely
self-generated. It comes from within.
It's just that when they're around it,
it opens up more. You feel it more,
right? So, it's a kind of important
distinction to make. So, once I helped
her realize that, she was also able to
realize that, oh, wait, the love wasn't
actually from him. It was in her all
along. And then through the hypnosis,
she was able to just detach from that.
And actually, one thing I'll use is a
bit of humor in there and help her to
realize like just how silly silly the
situation was once she sees all the bad
sides about it. Because love is love can
be blinding, right? When you can see not
just the positives but the negatives and
see them you realize how silly it is.
And also humor is a powerful tool to
heal to let go when you just are
laughing right having a good time. So
yeah it took us about 8 minutes is that
it's literally on my YouTube channel. I
did a vlog and I showed it hypnotizing
her. And this is the crazy part. I asked
her after
how do you feel now when you think about
him? And she just said think about who?
And honestly, that terrified me a little
bit because 10 minutes before she was
telling me how she was thinking about
him four four hours a day. So it's it's
never about the person. It's never about
the thing. It's just your association
and the real deep emotion that it gives
you. If you can if you can overcome that
then whatever the thing is you're
whether it's food it's just for an
emotion whether it's an addiction it's
just for an emotion or feeling a certain
way or love or porn or
anything it's just for an emotion. You
didn't remove uh the positive
associations with the guy. You made her
see them differently. Like did you make
her see any more negative associations
with him? Great question. Because
you you can't This is why manifestation
stuff doesn't work is because you're
essentially saying like, "I'm positive.
I'm happy." And you're just trying to
see the good side, but you know, like
that's not really the full truth. What I
help her to do is see both sides of the
story clearly. What we want is just the
truth. If we can see reality for what it
really is, both good and bad, then it
becomes easy to make a decision. Right?
So, when you're blindly in love with
someone and you're just together and
it's the honeymoon period, they ask you
to take out the trash. I'll be happy to
take out the trash. They ask you for
this, I'd be happy to do this, right?
You're you're overjoyed to do it. All
you want to do is give to them. But then
as time goes by, you start to that
emotion starts to go down a little bit.
Those chemicals start to go down. Then
suddenly you're like, "Ah, this person
always saw why she keep ask me to take
out the trash." Right? And it annoys
you. who gets on you, right? She didn't
change. She was exactly like that the
whole time. It's just that your
perception due to the emotion of love
that you were feeling was making you see
only the positive side. So, what I
helped her to do was just see both
sides. But to see it, to see the
negative, she could have said those
negatives before, but she wouldn't have
associated to them because she was still
blinded by the positive. If that makes
sense. I know we're getting a little bit
technical right now, but like basically
like once you can
have a balanced perspective, then you
can easily see both sides, the good and
the bad, and then it becomes easier to
then move forward. So once you see the
truth of both sides, you just decide
which one you want to go with or
>> it's literally just like a it's you will
just make the decision that you actually
just feel is best for you
>> which if you can see clearly in
something you're the way you're wired is
in your own self-interest. So you're
going to make most likely make the right
decision for you.
>> Can you hypnotize someone to fall in
love with you?
>> [snorts]
>> So, if you imagine
being on a first date and you imagine
we're sitting across the table, we're
looking into each other's eyes. We're
having a deep conversation and we're
feeling all of these emotions. We're
stimulated. The whole world disappears
around us. It's just you and I at this
table. We're fully focused on one
another.
We're hypnotizing each other. [snorts]
>> So, absolutely. Yes. Actually, love is
hypnosis because you're actually going
into an altered state, right? You're
feeling you're going hypnosis is just
when you go from being external to
internal. So, you're feeling all of
these very strong emotions, which is
hypnosis. And so, then if you were to
suggest, hey, let's get married, you're
going to be highly suggestible, and
you're much more likely to say yes. Why?
Because if the other person feels the
same, you're going to do it.
>> That's interesting. You're saying that
everything comes from internal state and
like if you think that an emotion comes
from external state then that's hypnosis
essentially. Everything comes from your
internal state first. It's just things
will stimulate that internal state
differently. So
if we get along well then you and I are
going to feel good to some degree in
each other's presence. If we don't,
we're going to feel bad. as a really
simple. So that's external stimuli
making that internal state happen in a
certain way, right? So for most people,
they stay trapped in the belief system
that the outside world is the only way
to change their inside world. So that's
why they'll overeat, gamble, get
addicted to social media because those
outside things are giving what it seems
like emotions from outside in. Really
what it's doing is it's helping them
temporarily be distracted from the bad
things that they feel that are already
there and temporarily feel something
good. Whether it's a sugar rush, whether
it's a a high from whatever social media
or something like that,
>> right?
>> So, it's kind of just like it's such a
strong illusion for so many people that
they just get trapped in that belief
system of thinking that the outside
world runs me. And this is why most
people do not want to sit by themselves
and why they'd rather be electrocuted
than sit by themselves. Because it then
means that we have to face what's really
inside of us, which for a lot of people,
particularly as they get older and more
aware, and these things build up because
if you don't address these things, they
build up. They compound. They get worse.
Compounding works positively and
negatively. And I've had the real
privilege now of working with really
young people like kids up to 70 year
olds and seeing that whole plethora of
experience and I'd be an idiot not to
recognize what the patterns are and they
do build as you get older. So one of the
things that I really want for people and
why I love spreading this message is
hopefully so it can reach younger people
so that if they can start doing this
stuff now then man like the compounding
they experience throughout their whole
life is is magnificent. And not just the
success stuff, like the internal stuff
as well.
>> I'm pretty hungry right now. Can you do
you think hypnosis is more effective
than oympic?
>> So I'm a little bit hungry as well. So
there is a chemical effect to that, but
most of it is actually psychological.
And actually, I would assert that most
people who are overweight is purely
because of their mindset and their
belief systems. Because the reason why
people eat is ultimately to feel a
certain amount of comfort. And even if
you think about it like this, this whole
time I've been pointing to emotions. I'm
pointing here, right? Where is that?
It's like in their body. So quite
literally, and this is only anecdotal,
so I maybe there's studies to prove
this. I don't know. But you feel
emotions here. When you put food inside
of yourself, it's quite literally
filling up the void where these emotions
are with food. Right? Again, this is
just from my own experience, but that is
why most people will overeat. Actually,
if you've ever done a fast or you've
ever done some kind of experience where
you haven't eaten for a period of time,
have you ever done that before?
>> Yeah.
>> How did you feel after the first few
days of doing it?
>> I I haven't done it for multiple days. I
think I did it like a day and a half
something like that.
>> Okay.
>> Just more mental clarity. I'd say it was
more main thing.
>> Was the first part really tough?
>> I would say so. And then it gets easier.
>> Yeah. I would say that's usually how it
is for most people, right? There's that
initial discomfort cuz you're breaking a
pattern and then once you get past that
pattern, you're then free of it,
>> right? And then once you're free of it,
it's like the most liberating feeling
ever because you're no longer chained to
this outside thing giving you something.
So whenever I help someone with losing
weight, it's just purely just
psychological. It's just where they get
their their their comfort from, their
emotions from. And if you can realize,
and again, it's not manipulating them to
feel bad about food. It's just helping
them realize the truth of how they
actually feel about food. Cuz you don't
actually like poisoning yourself with
bad food. It maybe feels good in the
moment, but you know after it's not. So,
you know it's not, but you're just the
emotion is so strong that it's almost
like you can't help yourself. That's why
sugar is just as addictive as cocaine
and why there's sugar in everything
because it's so addictive. They figured
out that a long time ago. So do you
think the consciousness like your
consciousness and your beliefs identity
etc affect like the chemical reactions
in your body?
>> I would strongly say yes to that.
>> Do you think
just to push this to the limits a bit uh
do you think you could hypnotize me to
have a heart attack?
[sighs] If you want to know the real
answer,
most likely yes.
Because if you look at what is happening
when someone is having a heart attack on
a physiological level, there are certain
components to that of how fast is the
heart beating, what's going on in the
blood vessels, like all of these things
are very controllable by the mind. And
if you think about what's actually
happening to someone when they have a
heart attack, usually it's something
very shocking or create some big event
has happened which has created that to
happen. So
I wouldn't see any reason why you
couldn't do it in hypnosis. Um
but let's uh let's not do that one.
[laughter]
You're saying with a heart attack
specifically,
like because the heart rate increases,
maybe your uh I don't know if it's your
ventricles or your vesicles like
constrict. Uh like how do you actually
put someone in that state? Is it just
imagining another state that's similar
to it and amplifying it?
>> That's one way. Yeah. So if you could
have somebody I mean do you know anyone
that's ever had a heart stack?
>> Yeah.
>> Do you know what led to it when they had
it? I would assume probably overeating.
Um, but it could probably was
psychological as well.
>> Yeah. I mean, look, overeating for sure
is can is can be a massive reason why
people have it later. But then there's
also people who have heart attacks when
they absolutely should not have heart
attacks. For example, when they do
drugs,
>> right?
>> Right. What's the drug doing? It's
having an effect on their physiological
state. Usually, it's just increasing
their heart rate so much that it becomes
unsustainable. Right. M
>> if somebody was in such a fearful state
for so long, so extreme, is it possible
that their heart could
keep going until they have a heart
attack and it shuts off? Yeah. Have you
hypnotized a homeless person before?
It's okay if not. It's a good place to
do it.
>> Yeah. I mean, there's plenty out here. I
mean, I've It reminds me of a story. He
wasn't a homeless person, but this was
also in South Africa. But last year, I
had a barber and he's a 21-year-old guy,
South African, uh, great at what he
does, but he was addicted to weed.
>> And he basically told me that he really
wanted to start his own business cuz he
could see like all these rich white
people coming over and he knew that he
could make much more money cutting their
hair if he did his own business instead
of working in a barber shop. So I said
to him, "What's stopping you?" He said,
"I don't have the money. I can't buy a
bike and I can't buy the equipment." And
and I said, "Okay, well,
like what's this weed thing about?" And
he said, "Oh, yeah. You know, I have
this addiction to weed." I was like,
"How much do you spend on weed every
day?" And it was the amount of money he
was spending on weed every day. We
figured out within one month he could
have all of the stuff he needed to start
a business. So, as he was cutting my
hair, I just conversationally hypnotized
him and he stopped smoking weed like
within 20 minutes. And then now he just
sends me updates all the time. and he's
like, "I just bought this this new
shitty old bike and now I'm going
around. I just bought this hair
equipment and he's and he's gone and
done it now." So,
>> you hypnotized your barber to stop
smoking weed while he was cutting your
hair. Is that [laughter]
>> Yeah,
that's crazy, man.
Damn. That That makes me want to learn
hypnosis.
>> I want I want to do more stuff like just
for to help people like just just just
for good, just to to give back, right?
like whether it's in like audiences or
crowds or people who, you know, can't
like afford to work with me in that
capacity. I just want to find a way to
just give to more people like that. Um
cuz I love doing it. It's just cuz the
impact of it is insane. I just need to
figure out like the best way to actually
do to to start that. But whenever I can,
if someone, you know, is if they're a
good person, I can help them. I'll I'll
do whatever I can to. There's tons of
stories like that.
>> Yeah. I mean, from my experience with
hypnotism, it sounds like the government
should probably have a program for
veterans to work with hypnotist uh in a
subsidized way. That's actually really
fascinating. But on NLP, and I know
you've referenced it a few times over
the course of this podcast, it
essentially means neural linguistic
programming. Now, you said you were
greatly inspired by Tony Robbins and
your personal mentor, Richard Banler,
who's the co-founder of NLP. Um,
[snorts]
what's the one thing he did in front of
you that you still can't fully explain?
Or maybe you just were shocked in the
moment?
>> I actually made a note of this like like
24 hours ago about NLP. Let me see if I
can find it on here. As an aside,
researching uh Richard Banler
specifically two days ago, one thing I
saw in his work was instead of saying,
"I would love to start a business, but I
don't have enough money," just say
things like, "I don't have enough money,
but I would love to start a business."
>> And if you do that, then it gives you a
reason to keep going, you know, cuz it
puts it at the end. Uh that was one
little gym stuff.
>> That's honestly super smart. Um,
I would that's also recency bias,
>> right?
>> Right. Because it's like whatever the
last thing is, you're much more likely
to do it even if it's not what you
actually want to do. So,
>> one of the persuasion tricks I've
learned with NLP is on the topic of
recency bias, right? The second word is
the thing that people will always
associate to. So, if I was to say, um,
where were you last week at this time?
You're going to think back to it. Now,
if I said, "Oh, why don't you just
remember
to forget where you were?" I've said the
opposite, but your mind's only going to
forget. So, what it's going to do is
it's going to just remove the thing out
of your mind. So, if you ever want to
use this in a day-to-day situation,
let's say you want to kind of move on
from a from a topic or you're in an
altercation or something's happened, if
you're if you just simply use the word
forget and you say it like that, as in
NLP, it's called an embedded command.
You've probably heard that before. It
just means you're you're embedding a
word into a sentence. Just by saying the
word forget, the mind literally will
just it will just pop out of the mind.
So, you can use this. I'll give an
example of of when I used this recently.
So, uh last year I was on a trip to Lake
Ko with my fiance and we got a rental
car and I'm driving this thing. On the
way out, I scratch it on side of the
mountain. There's these really tight
roads and like whatever. I'll just sort
it out on the way back. Now, on the way
back, I'm running late. I'm on low fuel
and if I don't go straight, then I'm
going to miss my flight and I'm going
somewhere next. So, I realized that I
need to get out of this rental rental
ticket. So, I can tell you exactly what
NLP and hypnosis techniques I used and
break it down frame by frame. I'll paint
the picture first. I drive the car back.
I go into the car park in the airport.
Now,
what happens when you go to return the
rental car? You go to there's going to
be a guy. He's going to ask you some
questions. You're going to give back the
keys. He's going to check the car. So,
the first thing I did was pattern
interrupt. I know that I need to break
his script because he's in um what's the
word when someone's he's in NPC mode
essentially, right? So, usually what's
going to happen is he's going to say,
"Oh, hi. Can I have the keys, please?"
So, immediately I do something
different. I go to shake his hand. Now,
how often do you shake the hand of the
rental car company guy first? Very not
often, but a step above that as well is
I first of all intentionally missed and
went towards his stomach. So now that's
another pattern interrupt. Then now he's
already like a little bit caught off
guard. Then I grabbed his hand like
this. So now that's just another weird
thing. Then I turned him around 180°.
This is called motion tracking. So now
I'm basically taking his field of
vision, right? Because now he's not
looking just at me. He's here. Now he's
I can basically do whatever I want. But
then what I did is I got my I had my
Google Maps out and I just said, "Oh,
hey, um, thanks so much for uh helping
me today." So, I'm assuming what I
already want by planning that in his
mind. And then I said, "Uh, is this the
right uh terminal I need to go to?" And
I have my maps on. So, now this is in
his face, right up close to him. When
your vision goes in and out, that also
puts you in a trance as well. Um, just
another hypnotic technique. And so he
just says, "Well, yes." Because that's
the question I asked him. So I said,
"Thank you so much." I put the keys in
his hand and I said, "Good to go." And
he said, "Yeah, good to go." And I
walked off with Maggie. We had part of
this on video. And uh we're just walking
and I'm like, "Don't look back. Let's
just go. Let's just go." And um he was
just standing there for about another 30
seconds. And I got an invoice from them
the next day for no no charge. So, like
don't do this at home cuz you may get uh
punched in the face by someone if you
don't do this properly. But, um these
are all things that you can do if you
want to influence people, which is
basically you just got to think, okay,
how can I get somebody breaking their
pattern of what they would usually do to
be into my frame? And then as soon as
that's happened, you can you can pretty
much influence them in any way that you
want.
That's fascinating.
This is super micro. But when you use
like hypnotic speech, are you looking
here? Are you looking here?
>> Left eye.
>> So here.
>> Yeah.
>> Why?
>> There. This is where we form a deeper
connection. So if I look at you in your
left eye, it creates more of a like
emotional connection between us. Whereas
look in your right eye, it's a bit more
practical, bit more that side. Maybe
it's the right side of the brain maybe.
So left eye is going to form more of a
connection. Why' you ask about the
middle?
>> That's fascinating. Uh I think I
remember Richard Banler saying something
about looking at the middle or looking
like past their consciousness almost.
>> Yeah. So that's going to be more trlike.
So if I look at you like here, it's
already like
the vision is already kind of impaired.
So it's a little bit more translike by
doing that. So that would that would do
that as well. It's also kind of a
pattern interrupt right if I look at you
here and also when the eyes go up that's
also going to induce trance. So you
remember in that suggestability test
that we did where I was looking up like
this immediately my eyes feel heavy so
they want to close which if your eyes
close you're going to be more in a
trance.
>> Right.
>> Right. H what do you think is the
biggest mass hypnosis happening to
society right now? The biggest thing
that the masses are being hypnotized for
right now overall is fear. It's to stay
in a state of fear. Whether that is fear
of there's this war happening, whether
it's fear of there's this virus, whether
it's fear of there's going to be this
natural disaster, or when the aliens
come down and then the next fear, it's
ultimately fear. Because when we're in a
fear state, you're much more easily to
be manipulated and controlled.
But here's the interesting thing. People
are waking up.
Go back to 2019. The virus that worked,
right? Pe it controlled the entire
population for a period of time. But
then what happened? People started to
question things. They started to ask
why. It's why the most powerful thing
you can do is question and ask why. Then
do you remember not that long ago there
was monkey pox? Do you remember not that
long ago there was like henta virus or
something? What happened with that?
doesn't seem to be here right now. So,
this is why I'm so optimistic about the
world right now because even though
there's more crazy stuff than ever,
people truly are waking up more than
ever. This is why I really respect you
and what you're doing, asking these
questions in the way that you do because
it is awakening the world. It's make
it's making people ask difficult
questions, different questions, unusual
questions. It's making me think a lot
and it's also making everybody else
think a lot. And ultimately when people
can start to think for themselves,
that's when the world changes.
This is why I love this is why I love
this this these this platform because
you can just speak fully freely and
get new ideas.
I love that. Yeah. I I think that the
biggest lie is definitely
it's fear that there is external fear
and that there's internal lack of love
or enoughness. Um,
my favorite thing you've said in this
whole podcast and I just kind of want to
give you a chance to expand upon it is
that uh
it's such a basic question but like what
is your secret to loving yourself?
The biggest thing people get wrong about
love is they think it comes from outside
instead of inside. So
tell the story of when I was heartbroken
when I was 18 years old and because of
that pain of losing that love from this
person,
I closed off. I said, "All right, I'm
just going to focus on myself. I'm going
to be just do my thing. I'm going to
become better." And then after a period
of years of realizing that didn't work,
I re I had to figure out, okay, well,
where do I get this love from? Because I
tried dating more people, didn't work. I
tried doing acts of self-love, didn't
work. I tried getting better, it didn't
work. The only thing that worked for me,
and this is true story, is I would sit
alone in my apartment and I would sit on
my chair and I would just literally
focus on my chest right here. And I
would just try to feel something and it
was like nothing. And I would try to
just somehow stimulate something inside
of me. to try and think about my little
nephew who I love or my parents or
things that I love. And for for
literally months I felt nothing until
one day I felt something that was about
the size of an acorn here. This emotion
inside of me sitting by myself alone in
my apartment and I felt this feeling and
I was like what the heck is this?
That was love. I was able to open up my
heart to feel love. And this was such a
shocking moment for me because it had
nothing to do with anybody else. And
this started to become my proof for that
love comes from within instead of
without. So I started to do this more. I
would focus on expanding this feeling
more, just feeling it more. And I would
start to feel good. I'd start to feel
happy. Suddenly like my life started to
change. People started to to give me
different opportunities. Good things
started to happen. I started the people
I would attract started to be a totally
different type of person. People who
were more just like
just like genuine people who just like
had a good heart as well who like had
similar value systems all because I was
feeling this inside of myself. So I
started to see that it's not that I need
to get love from the outside. It's that
if I feel it from the inside, then
everything I want from the outside will
just come to me. And this if there is
any truth to manifestation, I believe
this is it. It's if you can experience
the thing that you want internally, it
will send out a frequency
that calls that back in because like
attracts like,
>> right?
That's an interesting one. A guest in
the past, uh, Chase Hughes, who's
familiar with hypnosis, um, said like
living with an open heart was, uh, like
the key to most things. And it's
interesting because if you're closed
off, you can't accept any love from the
world. Uh,
last question here. What's the best
piece of advice you've ever received? So
most people understand that your
thoughts shape your reality, right? What
you think about is what will become. But
what most people don't realize is it's
not actually just your thoughts. It's
your emotions. And your emotions are
really the primary driver of action
which determines your outcomes. So if
you can align both your thoughts and
your emotions by becoming more in tune
with this then everything that you want
will be on the other side of that. Does
that make sense? And how do you align
your thoughts with your emotions? Simply
it starts by getting quiet.
The the the truest answer is not a quick
one. It starts by
spending time by yourself without
stimulus to realize what you actually
feel about what's going on. And
if you do that, the chances are it will
start by being a tumultuous experience
because you'll realize how much is
actually going on inside of you. So if
you're somebody who doesn't think that
you feel that much, it's just because
you're not letting yourself be aware of
what you're feeling. But if you can go
through that and you can start also
emotionally
regulating and becoming the version of
yourself that you want to be, not just
thinking that way, you'll become who you
want to be. Beautiful. Well, everyone,
uh, this has been your guest, Ibraham
Turner. This is the Jack Neil podcast. I
appreciate you coming on, brother.
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