I just spent two weeks traveling across
the west coast of the United States for
the It's Probably nothing live shows and
what I captured during this trip
>> profoundly changed me.
[music]
First stop was [music] Tucson, Arizona,
where the guest was former CIA officer
John Ramirez.
This was co-hosted by my friend [music]
Josh from the Polarity YouTube channel.
I asked John if he could share UFO
[music] sighting from the area.
>> Well, I wasn't a firsthand witness to
it. I learned about it. It was on social
media and I contacted the individual who
had the original video released to him
uh purportedly allegedly by a source in
Homeland Security. Um, it's about a
craft that was followed by a Homeland
Security air asset. And the craft was
nicknamed the rubber ducky because
that's what it looked like. And to
describe it, um, it was kind of
triangular in shape. And it was doing
what, uh, we would call that signature
management. You didn't get a really good
view of it. And the rubber ducky part uh
came about because at the top of this
craft was some kind of appendage or some
kind of protrusion that would look like
a duck head. So you think about a rubber
ducky toy uh in a swimming pool. Uh
think about that and but think of it
flying and doing all kinds of strange uh
maneuvers. So this was tracked by this
homeland security air asset.
uh subsequently
uh I believe it was attributed to
an asset uh for the US government doing
border security and it just was a type
of drone that was probably not
acknowledged. It wasn't doing uh
incredible speeds like a UAP because
this air asset was able to follow it.
And that's just one of many high
stranges things that happened in
Arizona. It's a great place. If you want
to see UAP, move to Arizona.
>> Uh Sedona seems to be like a hot spot
for this stuff.
>> Yes, indeed.
>> Have you been out to Sedona?
>> Yes, I've been on a UFO tour sponsored
by Melinda Leslie.
>> Oh, yes.
>> She's with the
>> She talks about my Lab stuff, right?
>> Yes. Center for the New Age. She does
talk about my lab experiences that she
had. I went on a UFO tour and it's worth
every penny because she gives your money
back if you don't see one.
>> Wait, so you saw something out there? I
saw a UAP craft, not a satellite. I know
what satellite trajectories look like in
the sky, but satellites do not traverse
the sky,
then turn around, loop around, go left,
go right, and then go back to its
trajectory again.
>> And it was seen through night vision
goggles. Um, if you took the night
vision goggles off, you could not see
it. But with the night vision goggles
on, you can clearly see uh this
particular object which I consider to be
a UAP.
>> And this is coming from someone who did
signals intelligence.
>> Signals intelligence. Yes. And I had my
fair share of looking at electric
optical imagery uh collected by NRO as
part of my my job. So I knew that this
was not a satellite. Satellites would
tear itself apart doing those type of
maneuvers in space.
Look at that.
>> We got the crash saucer.
>> This is a cozy vibe. I like this a lot.
>> Yeah. And these seats are damn
comfortable.
>> I know.
>> We're going to have John Ramirez.
>> How long was he in the CIA?
>> 25 years.
>> 25 years
>> sitting in the hot seat tonight.
>> We're [snorts] bringing up 2027.
>> We're bringing up hybrids.
>> There's no escaping, John.
>> Have you seen anything like that while
you were working with the CIA?
uh only from the window of an airplane.
Um I was going to a UFO conference in
the summer of 2001. It was before 9/11.
Um we were flying um across the US uh
from Baltimore, Washington International
to LAX. Um I was with my friend, another
CIA officer. We went to this UFO
conference on our own dime paying for
our own hotel rooms. So it wasn't
anything official. And back then, United
Airlines allowed passengers to tune in
to cockpit communications. You can hear
a cockpit talking to the air traffic
controllers.
>> I didn't know that.
>> And
across the southwest US, we were over
the southwest US, uh probably right over
Arizona. Um the pilot reported that
there was an object uh traversing his
field of view, his path, flight path
from left to right in that direction and
that it was like an orange object going
very fast and I was sitting on the right
side in the back of the airplane. I
opened my uh window shade and looked out
and there it was a bright orange orb
receding uh in the background going
north. So we were going west east to
west from the east coast to the west
coast and this object was going due
north and I was thinking oh that's
interesting. We're over the southwest.
What's north of us? Oh Nevada. Uh, the
pilot was asked by air traffic control
whether he wanted to report it. And of
course, back then, no, that's okay.
We're not reporting. After Tucson, we
hit the road for a 6-hour drive through
the desert. [music] Our destination for
the evening was Joshua Tree,
where we all took part in a small group
[music] meditation before bed.
Lots of meteors [music] satellites. And
as for this little thing,
>> that was nuts. [music]
That got so bright. Wa.
>> I'm recording [music] it.
>> I You know, your guess is as good as
mine. It could just be a rotating piece
of [music] space debris for all I know.
But whatever. It was still fun to see.
It was the next day and it was time to
get on to our next destination. But
before we did that, I wanted to visit a
place known only as giant rock [music]
in the middle of the Mojave Desert.
Nothing for literally miles. And then
all of a sudden, this massive rock,
7 stories tall, 6,000 tons of granite,
and for years, it was the largest
freestanding boulder on Earth.
Well, a German prospector named Frank
Kitser got there first. He dug himself
an apartment underneath it, 400 square
ft of home under a boulder.
And sadly, his story ends well pretty
tragically. You see, in 1942, deputies
come out to question him about, you
know, being a German in 1942,
and there ends up being a standoff, and
Critzer dies in an explosion under his
own rock.
Now, enter George [music] Vanasel. This
guy is an aircraft guy. He worked for
Douglas, for Hughes, and in 1947, he
moves him and his family out to Giant
Rock, takes over the little airirstrip,
opens up a cafe. August 24th, 1953, 2 in
the morning, George says a man walks up
to him.
>> The man got off of the ship and
approached me before I even knew there
was a ship down.
>> Where were you then? What time of day or
night was it?
>> It was 2:00 in the morning and uh
approximately a full moon, which is like
daylight on the desert. And uh I asked
him what he wanted and he said my name
is Sandanda and I would be pleased to
show you our craft.
>> Was this the guy who gave you the
formula for the time machine?
>> That's the man.
>> And what form did the formula take? Did
he implant it in your mind by telepathy
or did he give you something written in
English?
>> He spoke it to me verbally
>> and you remembered this.
>> There's nothing to it to remember.
>> Well, you tell me now. The formula for a
time machine
>> f= 1 / t.
>> F = 1 / t. F being frequency and T being
time.
>> Now, if I came to you with that story,
you'd tell me I'm out of my mind. But
here's the thing about George. He told
everybody and people came. He started
the Giant Rock spacecraft convention.
First one saw a couple hundred people
and by the late 50s 11,000
11,000 people. And the machine, well, he
ended up building it. It's now known as
the Integratron.
It's 45 ft across, 38 ft tall. He spent
18 years and every dollar he had. He
died in 1978, just weeks [music] before
it was finished. And I think Josh, you
told me this was referenced in the raw
material. I believe they asked if there
was any point in completing this because
it's not finished. It was built and kind
of just left. I can't remember quite
why. and RA came back and basically said
the time for what it was originally
built for has passed and that it's
almost like irrelevant at this point in
the timeline. It's still standing out
there. Unfortunately, it was closed when
we came by, but this thing normally
houses sound baths and meditative
retreats and you can just go sit inside
it, but nobody to this day really has
figured out possibly the true potential
of this place. Who knows? It remains a
mystery. Next stop is Los Angeles,
California, where I'll be interviewing
Daryl Anka, otherwise known for
channeling an extraterrestrial being
named Bashar.
>> You've had your own encounter in 1973.
>> Two.
>> Two, actually. Yes. Yeah.
>> So, these triangular crafts,
>> right? Exactly. Uh, first time about 150
ft away. Second time only about 70 ft
away in broad daylight with witnesses.
Thank goodness both times. Um, black
equilateral triangular ships, blue white
light on each point, dull red orange
light underneath. First time we were
driving down into the valley from West
LA and it was hovering over a hotel in
the distance. And at first I thought
this was a helicopter or a plane or
something, but then we realized it
really wasn't moving. It was just stock
still. And as we drove past it to go on
the interchange, it moved from one side
of the freeway to the other side of the
freeway, which is now on my left again
cuz we're moving around in the other
direction. And then it just took off
over the valley like it was riding on a
sheet of glass. It was the strangest
motion I've ever seen because even a
small airplane just kind of, you know,
like wobbles through the air a little
bit. This was just like it was pulled on
a string. And we were all excited about
having seen something like that cuz you
know we've heard stories of UFOs but
when you finally see something like that
it changes everything. And then you know
we kind of like were all excited and
kind of got over it. But a week later
when one of the friends was with me
again we were in West Los Angeles. We
were stopped at a stoplight on a major
street and again either exactly the same
craft or an identical one flew at about
70 ft above the intersection and went
over the neighborhood. And we were like
looking at each other like what's going
on? Are we being invaded? What's
happening? And so on a whim, I decided
to just follow it. So I turned right.
She was leaning out the window riding
shotgun and she was basically telling me
where it was because I was trying to
keep my eyes on the road. There were a
lot of trees in the neighborhood and we
would lose it now and then. So she would
go, you know, turn left, turn right,
it's over there, it's over there. And I
did my best to follow it. And at one
point, we just completely lost sight of
it. And I on a whim, I just decided, I'm
just going to make a hard right. And I
did. And she yelled, "Stop." I stepped
on the brakes. We both looked out the
window and this thing was hovering just
70 ft above the car. We're staring at it
and then it just shot up into the clouds
in the blink of an eye. No sound,
nothing. And we got out of the car.
We're looking around trying to find it.
It was gone. The weirdest thing, the
most surreal thing is there [music] was
no one in the neighborhood. No one
watering their lawn, no one walking
their dog, nothing. It was like this
thing had happened just for us. And so
from that moment forward, I realized,
you know, reality is not what I was told
it is. There is some other level to it
here. Something's going on because what
we had just seen, we were all was told
didn't exist. But there it was in broad
daylight, as close as you could possibly
imagine for something like that. A real
machine in the sky. So from that moment
forward is when I started doing the
research to find out what was going on
and ultimately led me here to do
channeling.
>> Yeah. I had uh looked up your journey.
It was like a decade later that you
discovered [clears throat] channeling
and then you uh you were interested in
finding out how that worked and you
attended a seminar and
>> Right. I had read a few books on it like
the Seth material and stuff like that. I
knew what channeling sort of was, but uh
um a particular channel who was
conducting seminars um at one point when
I had gone to listen and done so for a
few months and thought this is really
interesting information, the channel
offered to teach a channeling class and
I didn't understand how channeling could
be taught. I just everything I had read
was like well it just sort of hits you
like a bolt out of the blue and you you
lose consciousness and then people tell
you you've been talking for two hours
and then you wake up and go what what
was that you know but so I was curious
to see what this process was and what
they did was a series of guided
meditations and the entity that the
person was channeling is actually
teaching the class so we're in these
guided meditations for about 6 weeks
into the course and then I received In
the middle of this meditation, what I
can only describe as just this download
of memory and information of I
understood the UFO had been shown to me
on purpose to get me to start doing the
research I needed to do. I remembered
having made an agreement before this
life with Bashar to do this channeling
because these things are set up before
the incarnation. And the me I saw an
image of his face. I heard the word
Bashar. I didn't know what that meant
exactly. And
the message that was there was now it's
time for you to begin to do this if this
is something you still want to do. Now
all this literally flashed into my head
in a split second. I didn't say anything
to anyone. But the minute this happened,
the entity coming through the channel
stopped talking to the class and turned
to me and pointed at me and said,
"There's an entity here for you right
now if you're ready to begin."
>> Wow. And I opened my eyes and I was a
little shocked and I looked around and
one of the classmates behind me somehow
had picked up on the image that I saw of
Bashar's face and she was sketching it
on a piece of paper. So I said, "Okay,
okay. There's two outside validations
that something's going on here. It's not
just my imagination. I'm not
hallucinating. It's not a side effect of
the meditation. Something real is
happening." And that's what made me
think, okay, I'll keep practicing and
see where this goes. I did well enough
that the teacher asked me to co-ch the
next class with him. And during that
class, a woman came named Margot who
wanted to do a doctoral thesis paper on
the connection between channeling and
psychology. And I became one of her
subjects. I would go to her house. I
would channel for her few friends. She
would sit in her chair and take her
notes and write her paper. Well, words
started spreading. People made
recordings. They started sharing them.
And so the crowds every week that we
were doing this started growing and
growing and growing. We had to do it
twice a week to accommodate everyone. We
had to do it in more houses to
accommodate everyone. People started
sharing the tapes and I got invited to
different cities to do it, different
countries to do it. And here I am more
than 40 years later still. This show
like Tucson ended up selling out and we
had such a great time. Hire some actors
to play the Men in Black and the Gray
Alien which ended up being a huge hit
with the fans. Uh this is where uh a
machine comes in, transports the humans
to go where to where they need to go
>> like in a ship powered by human blood.
>> We also integrated some live interactive
moments during the show thanks to Yoni,
one of the show's producers. This
included mini games, questions for the
guests, trivia, and much, much more. Now
that that was done, time to pack up and
head to San Francisco to meet up with
another co-host as well as our guest,
Whitley Strieber.
This place was so impressive, adorned by
massive Greek pillars, I thought it was
a most fitting [music] venue to welcome
Michael Phillip, a Greek philosophy
connoisseur and host of the Third Eye
Drops podcast. I think the idea of
interacting with higher non-human
intelligences was something that was
completely taken for granted by our
ancestors. Not only like in the Greco
Roman culture, though I am I am fond of
that one. [music] I mean in native
cultures in in the from east to west it
doesn't matter. The idea that we were in
this giant ecosystem of intelligence is
seen and unseen was just like totally
taken for granted by these cultures. The
muse, the don gods, whatever. like the
idea of course our minds are submerged
in this larger ecology of intelligences
and beings and I think we've badly
degraded our imagination around these
things over the course of millennia for
for a ton of different reasons but I
know you don't really like the term
non-human intelligence but I kind of do
like it because it it opens up the
pallet so much in terms of this what
this paniply of intelligences could me
and and I think to a degree we need to
return to this worldview to some extent
there can be a lot of ulterior motives
with words like god or angel or demon
right it people are trying to trojan
horse an entire worldview and whole
narrative onto you when they use those
words sometimes so I share or alien man
like I mean it's
>> there's a very specific version of that
whole narrative that I'm very suspect of
because it can be used to manipulate
people's minds, right? Like whether it's
Project Blue Beam or some like religious
agenda, right? But I still think we do
need to go in those directions to get
closer to truth. But but it's a very uh
windy booby trap laden path, you know?
Well, I mean, I think the idea of what
beauty even is, what these structures
[music]
are, what they represent, like the the
geometric and mathematical rules that
underpin all of these things. Like all
of those were considered to be these
sacred transmissions. I think at the end
of the day, we still don't really know
what's going on like with the with the
phenomenon or how it could or could not
be connected. I really do think we do
need to bring back the idea that we are
in an ecosystem of intelligences and
many of those intelligences are higher
and potentially something we're
interacting with all the time completely
ignorantly of.
>> Do you think that we are currently
deciphering the UFO topic much like
people are still trying to decipher a
lot of these allegorories?
>> Yeah, for sure. And and I think some of
the allegorories still fit incredibly
well when you project things like the
phenomenon onto them. I mean, as you
know, one of my favorites is Plato's
Cave, right? And I think there's a a
very obvious version of of that, like
how how those two things fit onto one
another, the phenomenon in the Plato's
Cave story. essentially this idea that
we're living in this lower dimensional
slice of reality and there's truly a
much deeper grander truth outside of
this cave or matrix of experiences of
the physical world that we think that we
live within. Um you know they're only
shadows on the cave wall in the in the
allegory. Um and I think honestly that
this is what the physical world is is
like shadows on the cave wall of our
psyches. Well, what's happening here is
this. For better or for worse, these
things are happening all around the
world now. People are waking up to this,
especially in the first world. And it'll
spread and deepen over the years and
enter into our belief systems and our
cultures and our societies in thousands
upon thousands of different ways. What's
happening is very simple. Mankind,
humankind is becoming a cosmic species.
We will be projecting into the stars
and into other levels of reality over
the next few generations
if we survive. And that's the open
question always with every species.
[music]
Everybody has a chance. Everybody comes
to this point and everybody
comes to this razor's edge that we're
on. And it's a great place to be if you
can balance on the edge of a razor.
If they show up in numbers, it will
redirect our whole attention toward them
and we will stop going on our own
journey, innovating and discovering on
our own. and [music] that's not what
they want. So I think that their direct
contact with us is going to be as
careful and judicious as it is [music]
possible to be and certain people will
be in on many different levels will be
in contact. [music] There are people in
the government I'm I know and quite sure
are in contact. Uh people on the outside
are in contact. I'm not the only
experiencer who's had this [music]
experience and is in contact, but I
think that there will always be a level
of question for everybody, even the
people who are in contact. Uh because if
there isn't a level of question, then we
lose our sense of innovation and we and
they're not interested. We become
supplicants.
They also it's a there's a sink or swim
level to this too because you know a new
world if you can take it was said to
Phil Corso and that's the defining
reality of contact can we take it we got
to pull this out of their hands we got
to shake them until they for till we
force them to give us what we want and
they will not give us anything on a
silver platter uh I'm in the space of
working with the public uh what they
happens with the government is fine. I
don't do that. I, you know, I'm
fascinated by it, of course, but it's
not my my part of in this. My part in
this is to take people to the point
where they say, "Hey,
what the heck's going on here?" That's
where I want people to [music] go. Not
to say, "Ah, that's nonsense." But to,
"What the heck is going on here?" And
then I want them to take it from there
on their own and go where they want to
go and need to go. I don't want to tell
them where to go. I'm not a teacher. I
am a um more of a more of a catalyst is
what I try to be.
>> Very well put. Um lastly, Widly, I just
wanted to thank you. You know, being
here today with all these people in the
crowd, it it isn't lost on me that a lot
of this is attributed to you and your
story and what you did for the world and
in terms of helping experiencers come
forward. It it was massive. And to this
day, people I interview um from all
across the world reference seeing the
cover of that book and that changing
their lives. So this tonight is in big
part thanks to you. So I wanted just to
thank you.
>> Well, you know, thank you. I I have to
tell you, if I had known that when I was
starting this out, I don't know what
would have happened. My wife knew. She
knew from the beginning exactly what was
going on. She was amazing. But she kind
of kept it to herself and I I just went
out there and did what seemed right.
>> We talk about disclosure and we kind of
lump it all in like disclosure, aliens,
UFOs. It's all this one thing, but I
kind of see it as like there's this
government disclosure and there's kind
of characters within that realm. And
then there's kind of like historical
eupfology that's always been there and
there are some so many great stories
that that have out, you know, they
outdate this government disclosure by a
long long time. And I feel like people
who are maybe newer since like the last
10 years into this topic see that as all
one thing. But I feel like as people
begin to get more and more maybe like
discouraged and losing faith in the
government side of things,
they're going to realize that there's
actually there's two different sides to
this. And when that fatigue happens,
they're going to realize that they don't
need the government to tell them the
aliens are real or that we're not alone
or whatever it is that they're looking
for because there's enough sort of
anecdotal evidence and testimony and
just a wealth of stories that you can
kind of put the pieces together yourself
and it might not be that concrete answer
that they're looking for, but it's
enough to give themselves confirmation.
And that's where I think it's going to
go. I I mean I would love for the
government to come out and tell us all
the things we want to hear, but I don't
have too much faith in it.
>> Next stop was Portland, Oregon, where we
would add my friend and memory champion
Nelson Delos to the list of co-hosts.
And we're about to surprise the audience
with our next guests. I've always wanted
it to be real that there are aliens or
something else out there. And I've
always thought there was. I don't know.
My mom had a experience
um uh with a phenomenon when she was
when my my sister was a baby and she'd
tell that story all the time and have I
ever told you that story?
>> No.
>> She was um we lived in England at I
don't think I was born yet. Uh and so my
sister my sister's 2 years older so she
was still a baby in like an infant chair
in the backseat of a car. My mom was
driving home. We lived in England at the
time and if you've been to England,
which you [music] have um you know their
streets like that, yeah, they have
highways, but their normal streets are
very dark. Um there's no like street
lights. You they're winding roads
through forests and stuff. Very common.
[music]
And she was driving home one evening in
the dark, pitched dark, you know, in
winter where it's like dark at by 4. And
um yeah, suddenly just a bright light
right above her. And you know, I always
asked her like, "Mom, could it have been
a helicopter, a plane?" She's like, "No,
there's we [music] lived out of nowhere,
you know, middle of nowhere." And that
light was so bright. It was right on top
of me and it stayed with me for like 5
10 minutes. And I was terrified. I had
this feeling of um like unease. She said
the radio was static and like her watch
stopped. Um, and she she like never
wants to talk about it cuz there's this
like the the feeling it gives her. Um,
and then it disappeared. But yeah,
anyways, I would love to I loved hearing
that story. I always try to get more out
of it like were you abducted? What was
what did the time say? You know, like
when you stopped and but she could never
give me much more than that. Um, but
anyway, so it's it's been something I've
been fascinated with for a long time.
Um, and then I had those experiences
with uh remote viewing and kind of out
of body and and just tapping deeper into
my mind also because of the memory
stuff. And I don't know, I just feel
like there's more out there. And the
more you believe in that, the UFO stuff
doesn't seem so impossible anymore.
Knowing you and you telling me all these
stories, I don't know the whole history
like you do and all the different cases
and how crazy they get. I've also heard
stuff from you that I just think I don't
know. I don't I don't know if I believe
that. So, um you've taught me to be very
kind of I'm I've always been skeptical,
but you've taught me to kind of be just
hear it all. Survey the landscape and
pick out those um commonalities, you
know, and the commonalities there's a
lot, you know, that at the very basic
level are there. And so if you just take
that um I think it's very clear that
something's out there. We tend to
remember things that are out of the
ordinary that are [music]
not of the norm out there bizarre
emotionally striking. So an experience
like that uh is filled with all of that,
right? Just probably the wonder, the
fear, the excitement, um the novelty.
Are you remembering the actual
experience? Are you remembering the
story that you tell? Right? And
inevitably when you tell a story, we
talked about this that you're trying to
bring the person into the story. [music]
And to do that, you have to you'll
naturally I don't want to say embellish
cuz that sounds like you're purposefully
making it false, but you do want to try
to give the person you're telling the
story to the feeling that you had. And
that requires
storytelling, [music]
drawing out explanations and inserting
details that might over time kind of
grow and and fluff up uh to something
more than it was. I I I know if I if I'm
honest with myself and some of the
stories that I've told, I'm sure um with
the experiences I've had, they probably
aren't as accurate as um I now remember
them to be the story. So, you have to be
careful with that. Um, and I'm sure
every experiencer,
um, there's always going to be an
element of truth. Well, not always, but,
uh, in the honest ones that are really
telling a story of something that
happened to them, there's going to be an
element of the truth, but you always
have to be skeptical and and obviously
take everything with a grain of salt,
every little detail.
>> Wanted to get your take. You know, we're
in Oregon. Um, this state is known for a
lot of sightings. It has the McMinnville
UFO Festival. It has a a real sort of
like collective effervescence around
this topic where you know people feel
the sense of community around here and
now with this show that we're bringing
here. What does it mean to you to be a
part of this in a way that
isn't so serious? It's good to see that
the attitude has changed. I mean, people
are accepting the fact that, you know,
hey, maybe all this is real and that
really wasn't that really wasn't the
line of thinking back in the 80s. So,
it's it's good to see that, you know,
but I'm kind of a reluctant participant,
you know. Like I said, I was I don't
follow UFO lore stories or anything
along those lines, and I certainly
didn't believe in any of it before, you
know, getting the the job. But um it it
is good to see the attitudes changing.
>> Now, I'll be posting this entire show on
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past episodes. Now, Oregon has a pretty
important role as far as UFO history
goes. You know the words flying saucer?
Well, that was actually born in
Pendleton, Oregon.
>> Later, when asked by a reporter to
describe how they flew, Arnold said
their motion was like saucers skipping
over water.
>> June 1947, Kenneth Arnold tells a local
reporter what he'd seen over Mount
Reineer. And within a day, the term is
everywhere on Earth. And then in
McMminville 1950, a farmer and his wife
look up, grab a camera, and take two
photographs that ran in Life magazine.
And nobody has ever fully debunked them.
>> Can you tell us a little bit about the
McMill one? Do you know anything about
it?
>> Well, more about the shape of the craft
that always fascinated me. And it's got
this um it's it's it's it's a looks like
flying saucer in a way. doesn't have the
it's flat on the bottom and it has a
looks like an antenna on the top with a
type of a sphere kind of an antenna and
it's crooked. It's like angled
and I found that to be very interesting
based on some of the information that
you know I retrieved from Bob throughout
the years. And you think about the sport
model had a waveguide terminator which
is like this little antenna on top of
the craft. A lot of people draw antennas
on the craft. Even the kids at Aerial
drew uh an antenna on the craft. And
here's this craft that had is it and
it's on an angle.
It's it's tilted and the antenna is
tilted, which
almost makes sense if you really know
the science, a little bit of the science
behind it. So, we took liberty at a
certain point when we were building S4
and there was, you know, Bob saw a whole
bunch of a whole bunch of adjacent hang
anger doors open, a whole bunch of
crafts, but he didn't really get to see
past the two the two, but there was
other ones he says, I couldn't tell. So,
we had to create have creative liberties
and put anything further away. So, when
our VR experience comes out, the fifth
hanger has the McMinnville UFO in there.
So,
>> so right now currently it's in the
movie. You just can't see it.
>> You can't see it, but it's there.
>> But it's there.
>> It's there.
>> Yeah. Just for fun because we thought if
we have to create our own designs, why
not use some that people saw? So, we
even have the one from Falcon Lake in
there. Yeah. Yeah. We have one from
Falcon Lake. We have the McMinnville.
And we have another one. I can't
remember which one it was, but there's
three known UFOs that are further out
there. I say this to you all the time.
To [music] me, it's like the best
outcome I could have seen in my lifetime
at this age where I'm still, you know,
knock on wood, healthy enough to go
around, hang out with friends, talk
about it, and it's no longer taboo, at
least in many [music] new circles. And
it's like there's there's people
interested, people asking questions.
Curiosity is growing, but in a positive
way. The questions are not to trap
people, but inquisitive questions to
inform people, which is a completely
different thing. You used to get a lot
of I want to catch your lie questions.
Now it's I want to know questions, which
is so different. The ' 80s and the '9s
was such a different time. Now I'm like,
this is great. and you know, hanging out
with you and hanging out with all the
people that you brought together and all
this, it's just freaking awesome. So,
after signing some posters and taking
some photos, it was time to pack up and
head to Seattle. Shout out to Andre
Ingolstad, who helped me shoot this next
segment. Funny story, he was actually
the guy who sent in his triangular craft
video, which was featured at the
beginning of one of the episodes that I
made about triangular crafts. I'll leave
his Instagram below where you can follow
his page. He sailed across the Atlantic
in a pirate ship and captured some
really amazing sites. In Seattle, we
welcomed forensic anthropologist Dr.
Michael Masters. I sort of saw a lot of
skepticism,
um, some dismissal [music] and a ton of
ambivalence for a long time. People just
kind of like, see what you're doing over
there, don't want any part of it, just
going to ignore it. Um, I kind of
challenged that in my institution
specifically cuz I taught a 300 levelvel
UFO class like not how psychologists or
society sees UFOs, but this is real.
Came in day one. We're going to talk
about this. Posters all over campus.
It's on the books and um kind of forced
a lot of people and the administration,
my academic colleagues to be at a point
where they can't ignore it anymore. And
the class went super well. Um, [music]
my administrative assistant said I had
the highest student evaluation score
she's ever seen. [music] Um, the
students loved it. Word across campus
spread. I've been asked if I'm teaching
that class again probably 50 or 60 times
[music] since. Um, and yeah, like the
administration's been supportive. uh
went on Rogan in December and that kind
of made its way through the vice
chancellor, chancellor, dean and uh
despite talking about a ton of weird
with them, they kind of accepted
[music]
with um some level of skepticism the
reality of the phenomenon and what we're
talking about. And I think to answer
your question, it's really been
legitimized a lot over the last 5 to six
years. [music]
um especially since 2019 with the New
York Times article, people testifying in
front of Congress under oath obviously
had a lot to do with it. [music] And
then things like this, things like what
you're doing, going out being public
with this and in [music] digital form in
person, just really um normalizing the
topic. I think that's the biggest part
of this.
>> Are you going to pursue this more on an
academic side? Are you looking to do
more personal study into this topic or
are you like, "Hey, I've laid my cards
out. You guys make of it what you will?"
>> Um, a little bit of each of those. After
a year and a half, I just finished the
audiobook version of my novel, which was
kind of the third piece in this puzzle
for me. There's like a hard science book
that's been called Dense by a lot of
people. One that brings the science in,
but it's more stories. [music] It's more
readable. And then this novel is just
kind of a up journey through time
but appeals to a different audience also
bringing that science in in different
ways. So there's that side. Um I'm also
collaborating with a number of academic
colleagues at Harvard, Ohio State. Uh
RZswan Verk is one of our co-authors on
a paper that we just started writing uh
two weeks ago. We just had a meeting
over Zoom. So I'm still doing the
academic articles. um almost exclusively
with regard to the phenomenon or things
tangentially related to it. [music] Uh
unfortunately my main biological
anthropology research has taken a back
seat. Um but I feel like there's so much
going on with this question. It's
potentially one of the biggest questions
of our time. So I'm obviously willing to
put my time [music] into that and put
some of these other things on the back
burner for a while. So, it's a good mix
of things that bring me joy doing things
like this with you. Um, [music]
just having fun with science fiction and
really trying to get
this question and discussions about it
out [music] in academic journals,
peer-reviewed journals, and really bring
this conversation to the scientific
masses.
>> You spent a lot of years teaching. Has
has there ever been an overlap for you
in an academic sense with a student or a
peer where you've engaged with sort of
talking about the phenomena?
>> Um, not UFOs or UAPs or aliens
specifically, but definitely, you know,
I've gone into mind stuff. Uh, my memory
of course always peaks its head in cuz
I'm teaching them. So, I use my
techniques and eventually some student
looks me up and like, "Oh, you I watch
your YouTube videos. It was amazing. I
learned how to memorize this." And so,
then I sometimes at the end of the
semester or when appropriate, I'll do a
lesson on memory. And a couple
semesters, I even did some remote
viewing um when we had extra time. I
didn't explain what I was doing, but I
did some little classroom tests where I
I brought in a box. I had an item in a
box that I chose at random from my home
and I was just like, "All right, guys.
Everybody, piece of paper. We're going
to try a little mental exercise. Has
nothing to do with class right now, but
um you know, it's a fun little um
reprieve from our uh you know, studies."
And then I just see who would get that
got the closest or if anything would
come up and of course that led into like
Nelson, why are we doing this? And I'd
have to explain kind of this whole
thing. So we sometimes would spend a
lecture just talking about that part of
the phenomenon,
>> remote hearing and sigh studies.
>> Yeah.
>> Did you ever how how was the interest
level there? Cuz I I feel like hearing
um Dr. Masters talk about it
like the stigma doesn't exist with them
as much as it it exists with us or our
generation.
>> Right. Yeah. I'm very I was very
hesitant to do that uh in those classes
but then I did it twice and and both
times different [music] semesters. Both
classes were really engaged. Um had tons
of questions even more engaged than some
of my other like actual lectures for the
class. Um, and I've had a few people
come up to me and be like tell me their
stories and that they had some weird,
you know, coincidences or
synchronicities or, you know,
premonitions and things like that. Um,
we never got into UFO type stuff, but
um, they were definitely open to it more
than I would have imagined um, the
topic. Yeah. Do you see a future where
there are classes like the ones that
Michael taught or perhaps like a remote
viewing, [music] you know, lecture done
in an academic sort of prestigious,
you know, institution? Is that something
that you see happening?
>> Yeah, I I think so. And then I was
talking to Michael about it last night
cuz I said I was a professor and I I
even have tried to create a course, a
memory course, just a memory
fundamentals course which would be
immensely helpful for any student. Um,
and you can kind of find uh survey
classes about memory and it sometimes
delves into memory techniques. Like in
psychology courses, they usually have a
course where they talk about memory
methods, but it's not like a a practical
tool building class. But anyway, so I
I'm a bit familiar with trying to create
a class um and you know, bring it to the
people who need to approve it. and he
was saying like, "Yeah, when I came up
with the idea and brought it to the
dean, I mean, he's the chair, so he kind
of already has a bit of a an advantage."
Um, at this in this age, they can't
really say no. You know, it's all about
being inclusive and and open. Uh, so
that kind of I think has it going for
it. Um, so I could see more of that
coming to light. I mean, I would love to
I don't know if I would say, "Hey, we're
going to do a remote viewing class." But
definitely something even if I worded my
memory workshop course, whatever, um, as
a little more mind cognitive training, I
could slip that in there. [music]
>> And right before hitting the stage, I
decided to perform some magic and
comedy.
[cheering]
>> All right, Tom, have you ever seen magic
this close before?
>> No.
>> You haven't? Have you ever seen magic
this close before?
>> I don't think so. Okay, good. All right,
that's a good thing. Uh,
um, [clears throat]
sounds weird, but was this in your was
this your browser history recently? Was
that
>> Who you here with?
>> I'm here with my friend Chris.
>> Your friend Chris? Oh, maybe it's Maybe
it's Chris. Maybe Chris's browser
history.
There's a there's a a Z in here.
>> Yeah,
>> I think I think I know what this is. Z.
>> There's an E.
>> Yeah,
>> there's a B.
>> Yeah.
>> An R.
>> An A.
>> Yeah.
>> I think I all I think we all know what
this is. On the count of three, I want
everybody to say it. One, two, three.
[cheering]
>> All right. Not the word I was picking
up.
It was a different word.
All the like a half the audience in
stitches cuz I I'll tell you on the ride
home.
>> But all of this was just to set up a
very special surprise.
>> I do want to try one more thing here.
But I I need a couple.
Any couples in the house?
This guy up here will go up in the
second. Yeah. You with the hand up. Yes.
You. Yes.
Give it up for this couple. Come on,
>> Megan. Nice to meet you. Megan, step
right this way. And thank you for
joining me. And you are?
>> Troy.
>> Troy. Nice to meet you, too, Troy. Here,
Troy. Stand right here. Megan, do you
mind? I have a blindfold here for you.
>> Okay. Can you see anything, Megan?
>> No.
[music]
[cheering]
[applause]
>> Megan. Megan,
will you be my forever partner?
The one in my darkest hours and my
brightest [music] moments. Will you be
my human until my body falls away?
You are the closest person [music] I've
ever known. Once I saw those beautiful
giant eyes, I knew [music] our lives
would be intertwined.
Will you marry me?
>> Of course.
[music]
>> [cheering]
>> Thank you so much. Congratulations.
Congratulations.
Ladies and gentlemen, give it up for
this beautiful couple. Come on.
[cheering and music]
So amazing. Right this way, guys. Oh,
you just [music] made my night. Thank
you. Enjoy the show.
Oh my goodness.
I feel like I was just as nervous.
[music]
Would have been a totally different show
if she said no. The vibe would have just
[music]
[music]
>> [music]
>> Now, I don't mean to get sappy, but it
isn't lost on me how truly lucky I am.
And I'm grateful for that. [music] I'm
grateful for this wonderful community,
for the friendships I've forged and the
knowledge I've [music] acquired,
the places I get to visit and the
stories I get to hear. Seeing people
outside of chat groups and online feeds
makes you really remember how much fun
this human experience can be.
And one more thing, will there ever be
another Desert Blast?
>> Yes.
>> Really?
>> There will absolutely be another Desert
Blast.
>> Do you think u because that's probably,
you know, it's one of the most badass
things I've ever seen in my life.
>> It's a It's a great time. Actually,
Luigi's been pushing me to [laughter] to
make that happen. So, but yeah, I
there's absolutely going to be another
Desert Blast, and it's going to be
awesome. Out of control.
>> Yeah, exactly. [laughter]
>> Like if you poured gasoline on Burning
Man is like
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Is Yeah. We were going through some
photos, you know, uh just the other day
and and seeing some of the explosions
that you guys had and everything like
that. Do you think like doing uh a
Desert Blast today would be possible
like you did it back then?
>> Oh, yeah. I've already got it laid the
plans laid out. There's Yeah, it's a for
sure thing.
>> Can I get a ticket?
>> Yeah. Yeah, you're you're going. Yeah.
[laughter]
>> All right. I'll take up any more of your
time. I'll keep you there. Thanks, Bob.
>> All right.
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Heat. Heat.
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