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>> Ladies and gentlemen, uh I am very very
excited about tonight cuz we got a
stacked a stacked card as they would say
in the UFC. Really good undercard, solid
main event. Uh you guys have been left
in the dark about who the guests are
because there are multiple guests
tonight. It's a really fun show. I I'm
I'm glad you all made it out. You won't
regret it. Um but to begin, I do want to
bring some friends out here. Really
close friends of mine actually. Uh some
of my closest friends in this space and
they've been really uh welcoming and
they've been like brothers to me. Uh,
one of them has a successful YouTube
channel on sort of consciousness and
philosophy and the other one is a
sixtime
US memory champion.
>> Yeah. Wild. So, we're going to have some
really good conversations to get us
started. Ladies and gentlemen, please
put your hands together for none other
than Michael Phillip from Third Eye
Drops and Nelson Delos. [applause]
[cheering]
>> [applause and cheering]
>> Grab a seat, folks. Grab a seat. Any of
those? I'm over here. Ah, let's get
comfy. Don't mind this the Brazer sign
back there.
I'll tell you about it later.
Ah, this is nice. This is nice. This
feels like I'm in like my living room
here. It's very comfortable.
>> Very cozy. So, um, in a nutshell, in a
small nutshell, we'll start with Nelson.
Can you I mean, you're an inspiration to
me. I met you years ago when I was doing
magic stuff and I was like desperate to
like increase my skill in magic and I
saw you on a Netflix special and then I
reached out to you because you had done
these insane memory feats. Like he this
guy's memorized he he'll be humble about
it, but he's memorized like 10,000
digits of pi.
>> Wow.
>> Wow. Like to give you to give you like a
small hint on how hard that is just to
say the numbers. It it it could take
them up to 3 hours.
>> Yeah. It's not fun.
>> It's not fun. So, strap yourselves in
cuz
>> How much time we got? [laughter]
>> Uh Nelson, tell us about what you do.
>> Yeah. So, my uh whole stick is I learned
how to memorize things. I never really
had a good memory. My grandmother um
passed away from Alzheimer's uh which
was unfortunate and a whole thing our
family went through. But that was what
inspired me to start working on my own
memory. I didn't know what that meant,
but I discovered that there are memory
championships and uh that people who
compete in them train their memories. I
never thought that was a thing, but I
was curious and learned how to do it and
took it to the nth level. Yeah. And here
we are. And you are uh you won which
memory championship? 2025.
>> The most recent was 24.
>> 24. Yeah. Okay.
>> And then I stopped.
>> And then you stopped.
>> Any plans on cuz you said you'd stop
after five. I know. And then you you did
it again.
>> I don't know if you were back there when
I said it, but uh I'm going to compete
in two weeks at the 26 championship.
>> No way.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[applause]
>> Thank you, Nelson. Yeah.
>> Uh and this here is Michael Phillip. Uh
>> [applause]
>> needs no introduction. Also has a great
memory. Um, but for esoteric and deep
philosophical western esotericism and
and a bunch of other wonder nuggets.
Tell the audience for those of you who
don't know about third eye drops what it
is you do.
>> Oh my god. Well, is this is it on? Yeah,
this is on, right?
>> Yes. Let's play it. I mean, what Chris
said, I think is a pretty good
introduction. And all of that leaves
into this topic of high weirdness and
UFOs in a way that I love talking about
and I can't really help myself from
talking about it over and over again.
And it's funny that you call what you do
a shtick because it's really like the
furthest thing from a stick.
>> Like if that's a stick, I don't know
what the hell I do. [laughter]
Yeah, he's got an actual skill that he's
developed. Like his brain is so huge.
>> Um this is really fascinating. This is
you guys you guys have you've not done
each other's like you haven't been on
his podcast, right? But it needs to
happen for sure.
>> Yeah, definitely needs to happen. Um you
know what's interesting? there is like a
correlation here while we're just like
chatting away and before we get moving
on but there is a correlation because
like I know in there's a book called
Moonwalking with Einstein which is a
great book Josh Fer and it's this uh
yeah all right Josh is here um and
there's a there there's it's this guy's
a sports journalist who learns about u
memory athletes and then tries to
compete and takes a year to practice and
then enters the national memory
championship and wins it and he writes a
book about it it's amazing but in there
he talks about the history of memory
and how it goes back to like the Greeks
as well, which you're very interested
in. So, I thought that was like a
>> Yeah.
>> interesting connection there.
>> Yeah. And I mean back when I learned
about that I that that was the one story
you'd always hear about the genesis of
memory techniques that there was this
tale of Simonades was in a hall and uh
he he stepped out for a moment and the
whole thing came crashing down and when
they were trying to identify the bodies
of the people who were around the table
um he used his memory and imagined their
locations and that's kind of what the
the the classic memory tool that we use
called the memory palace is based on.
And so it goes back to the Greeks, but
it goes even further back than that. Uh
I didn't know that until, you know, the
last few years when I discovered that,
but you know, the Greeks use it. Um
civilizations before that used it
because they had to keep progressing
their their their stories, their song
lines, and it was all through memory.
Yeah.
>> Very interesting. And now we don't need
it because we have phones. So, you know,
throw it out. It's not going to serve
you. Uh we got AI slop. Um, we got vibe
coding. Who needs memory? Speaking of
which, do you guys like this uh little
interactive thing we got going on?
[applause]
It's pretty cool. Um, something you
might not know about Nelson as well, if
you follow my channel, you might. But,
um, this is actually something we all
have in common is Nelson first of all
got me. He is the reason I started Area
52. Uh, which is very cool. like we were
talking about uh remote viewing um and
how so he was it's a very strange story
but uh somebody reached out to him on a
Facebook group that he was on a memory
group and it was like this guy
recruiting people for like some hedge
fund who wanted to train people to
remote view the stock market
>> memory athletes specific
>> memory athletes specifically and so
instantly I was like whoa like that's so
compelling you know you're putting money
you're putting an actual number on this
thing that I thought was not real and
Um, and they taught him and he did
fairly well. He had some like incredible
hits and then he taught me and I got so
fascinated that I documented my journey
and I was going to post it on like my
magic channel and I was like this isn't
for them. This is they're not going to
like it, you know, and they're not going
to understand. They're not going to go
deep enough. They're not going to go
into the research and so I started area
52 and like so you're directly
responsible for for the channel. So,
>> thank you.
>> Thank you, Nelson. [applause]
And that was a huge catalyst for me,
too, because who who's been watching
Area 52 since the beginning, by the way.
>> Yeah, [cheering]
those I want Chris to bring back those
early investigations because I
absolutely loved watching these two go
down that rabbit hole of remote viewing.
And that's actually what led me to reach
out to Chris and ask him to come on my
show. And then that led to me going to
Monroe Institute and both of us sort of
having out of body experiences and you
having out of body experiences. So yeah,
there's yeah, some interesting overlaps.
>> Yeah, there's like a there's like an
interesting energy here that brought us
all together and I'm very happy that
>> yeah,
>> we uh we did make it here. Um speaking
of which, there is another interesting
energy uh that we've attracted and
that's all of you. And I've asked you uh
in an email to, you know, provide me
with perhaps an experience that some of
you have been through and a lot of you
came through ton of submissions. So I
want to thank you first of all for all
of that. That's incredibly um I mean
it's not lost on me that like it takes a
lot to like share that and volunteer
yourself, you know, to be uh to be a
guest on this show. And I believe uh
somebody who we chose is here tonight.
I'm looking. Yep. And uh what is the
gentleman's name? Um Yonyi
or Christ
Salvatore. That's right. Salvatore is
here tonight. Sorry, I forgot the name.
There's uh I read through I think 30
submissions like literally some of you
some of you wrote [clears throat] me a
whole chapter uh but uh very compelling
you know nonetheless I'd interview all
of you. So thank you so much for
everybody just actually putting
yourselves out there. Uh but I would
love to bring out our guest a local from
Oregon that has a story to tell. Let's
give it up for Salvador. [applause]
[cheering]
>> [applause and music]
>> Keep it going for Salvatore, everybody.
[applause]
>> You prefer Salvador or Salvatore? Am I
saying it wrong?
>> Salvatore or just Sal?
>> Or just Sal? I like S. Sal seems like a
chill guy. Um, Salvatore. S. Um, you had
a really compelling story. You actually
have like a lot of history with the
phenomenon, it seems like. And I I I
want to get into everything, but uh you
know, obviously might have to be a
separate episode.
>> Understandable.
>> Yes. But I would like you there's a
story right at the top um that you told
and I would love if you could share that
with the audience tonight.
>> Yes. It was September 30th um 2023
um driving on Route 99 between Eugene,
Oregon and McMinnville, Oregon, where I
live.
Um
Shout out McMinnville
>> two-lane highway.
We had just got done doing a full moon
ritual with some friends
and
don't gloss over that. [laughter]
The hell does that mean? Like what is
this? I just like did you turn into a
werewolf? I don't know what that means.
What is a fulman ritual if you if you
don't mind? For me,
>> it's goddessor orientated. And I have
>> a minimum of 15 years of western
esoteric magic behind me.
>> Amazing.
>> And at least 5 years of shakta tantra
behind me.
>> Wow.
>> Which I had no choice to go towards
because as you discover what you're
supposed to do on this planet, that's
what you should do.
>> Incredible. Very cool.
Still not sure what what the ritual is,
but yeah, let's let's move on.
[laughter]
>> So, we're driving um north on 99 99W
it's called,
and
I notice at a certain point there is a
vehicle tailing me extremely hard with
one headlight.
And um you know I'm I always have a
mantra on my mind while I drive. Though
it's a dangerous thing to do because
driving is not the time to go into any
kind of a trans state or anything like
that. You know, you need to focus on the
road. But that's just a it's a mindful
practice to always stay present. And and
I I bring that up because that's my
life. You know, that's what I do. But
anyhow, um I'm driving my wife Natalie,
who is here next to me, to my right in
the passenger seat.
>> It's dark out,
>> close to midnight between 11 and 12.
>> And to the right,
out of nowhere, uh there's there's a
vehicle behind me like tailing me really
hard. And just when I get to the point
where I'm like, man, something doesn't
seem right. Like, does this person want
to kill us? You know,
>> all of a sudden, a extremely bright
green with a tiny bit of purple, but
predominantly green, what looked like a
comet
>> exploded
ex
um the meteor showers.
>> Yeah, the pades. Yeah, like the meteor
streak across.
>> This was big, close. It should have hit
the ground.
It lit everything up like the whole
inside of the vehicle. And what appeared
from it instead of smashing into the
ground was a silver
classic shaped flying saucer which
somewhat looked like that but more
seamless. Wow. More perfect. Um and it
had all white lights flashing around it.
I'm not good with noticing heights like
100 ft, 300 feet, but if I had to guess,
I'd say 100's too low,
400's too high, maybe a couple hundred
feet to start.
>> Just to our right,
the whole situation lasted about a
minute, which that's a long time.
>> That's a very long time. Yeah. And I I
don't think it left our view till we
just couldn't see it anymore because,
you know, it's it's very pastoral that
drive, but you get pockets of trees, a
lot of farmland,
and it
slowly hovered
towards, you know, our right away from
us, starting very close to our right
side.
And um
man,
you know, as
soon as that happened, also
I noticed that that vehicle was not
behind me anymore. And and that was very
strange to me, you know, like what
happened to the vehicle.
>> Um,
>> and that was a single light behind you,
right?
>> A single light.
>> Yeah.
>> That that and it was like a car from the
1980s. I don't know what.
>> Interesting. You know,
>> the so the disc is in this clearing as
you're moving past like these farmland,
these trees. It's a silver disc. What
time of day is is it again?
>> It's between 11 and 12 at night.
>> Okay. So, it's pretty dark, but you're
seeing it illuminated because of the
lights that are on it
>> because of the white flashing lights
that are flashing in a circular all
around it.
>> Oh, wow.
>> You know, and
it was to be more ex I mean, I have
pinpoint location. I can point to you on
a map where where this happened and you
know it was on Route 99 just past
Monroe, Oregon which is a town of a few
hundred people. I mean
>> yeah. Wow.
I mean give it up for S here. That's an
[applause] amazing sighting.
Um
what did you do in that moment? Did you
feel like I need to pull over? I need to
keep going. Were you like what was that
like? What was the reaction and what
happened after that?
>> There was definitely an adrenaline spike
when it happened. I mean I don't care
how much meditation you do.
[clears throat]
Uh you know this was very nuts and bolts
on the ground and I'm driving. You know
I don't care how many astral experiences
you have um conscious outside of the
body. You're driving. you you've got to
be focused. So, and and I think that's
what was out of all the amazing
experiences I've had outside of being
right here in the body, this was just so
amazing. And
my wife didn't want to talk about it at
first,
>> you know. She was just like, I I need to
process this, you know. Um and I said,
look, we've got to talk about it, you
know. And
I mean there's I mean the conversations
have not ceased in our small household.
Um
>> I bet.
>> Yeah.
>> Does uh is she here with tonight? Is
she?
>> She is. Oh, nice. Yeah.
>> Good job. Shout out to the plus on's by
the way.
>> Great time to call out the plus on's.
Thank you plus twos. Everybody joining
who's been dragged here against their
will. [laughter] So we appreciate you.
We really do. and you know just suspend
all the things that you have in your
mind, the preconceived notions, hang out
with us in this weird little, you know,
space. Thank you. But uh yeah, that's
really that's really remarkable. But uh
Michael, do you have a question?
>> Yeah. Well, two things come to mind for
me right away is despite the fact that
it was nuts and bolts, do you think the
fact that you were doing this ritual or
the fact that it was a full moon could
have something to do with it? Like it it
makes me think of like you know John
Keel talking about window areas or there
being like these times where the veil is
thinner where things may be able to like
poke through or something. Did you get
that kind of a sense?
>> Absolutely. Because
yeah there's no doubt about it that you
know and you know I was kind of when I
told this story to Muon when they
interviewed me
>> Oh you reported this? I did. Absolutely.
>> Very cool. Okay.
>> It took a little courage, you know, like
it it took me a little time.
>> Good for you. Yeah.
>> But it was like I couldn't get through
the interview without bringing up
bringing up my spiritual work cuz I
spend a lot of time in the temple space.
You know, I sacrifice fun times for
that. But the temple space becomes fun
times even though it seems boring. But
um
there's just no doubt about it. And I've
had prior experiences, you know, that
that kind of prove that. And I I mean, I
could literally talk all day if I get
too much into that. But the short answer
is definitely yes.
>> So the the the moon has something to do
with thinning the veil. Is that
>> Well, I mean, that's kind of just like
common lore, right? That like when it's
a full moon, there's like sort of a
Yeah.
>> Yes. That the moon, but also do you do
you only do ritual during the full moon?
>> No.
>> Or no. No. Do you do you do ritual? Do
you sit there as boring as it is and do
it when you don't feel like it? How much
energy and time do you put into it? And
these things do thin the veil. So it's
like you you can't stop these practices,
you know, the the the building of the
astral body and learning what that is is
only the beginning. You can't stop, you
know. It it has to go on. before. Was
there anything leading up before that
big event? Was there any small things
that evening that were like off or
different?
Well, as I've slightly alluded to or
somewhat alluded to, it's like yes,
because
it's part of my life to do these
practices and it's led to experiencing
that reality is more than just us
sitting here with these physical objects
right now. But
that phenomenon with the UFO is the last
thing I expected to come out of this,
you know? I mean,
>> yeah. Yeah. You're expecting something
perhaps non-physical to interact with
you or something maybe a little more
subtle uh synchronicity or something
perhaps not a physical nuts andbolt
silver disc. That's pretty I mean that's
Yeah, but it has I I agree. I think you
know it would be all too strange for it
not to be related. Do you know what I
mean? It makes more sense in this case
that it is related. I would I would
think.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> I was going to ask, you know, it's been
three years, right, since that happened.
Afterwards, were there any other notable
kind of somewhat seemingly relatable
events that happened? Maybe after is a
residual effect. I don't
>> Absolutely. And without even getting
into that second incident,
um just on that drive for one,
>> okay,
>> there have been more than one experience
of us both seeing simultaneously
white or green orbs vertically shooting
out of the sky straight down and they
would disappear behind trees.
Also, well, maybe this is getting a
little too far into the weeds here, but
I mean, we're in the right spot. These
are the weeds people. We are the We are
people of the weed,
both in perhaps metaphorical and, you
know, literal sense. I This is Portland.
All right.
There was an evening at home after a
night of ritual and offerings in my own
home temple space that I then laid down
and continued with my mantra work. And a
lot of things that happened
for me astrally are between the point of
wake and sleep. A lot of other people
it's after that four or five hours where
you hit the cycle. For me, it's that
point between wake and sleep.
And I'm doing my mantra, which is
Sanskrit, feminine Sanskrit, Beija
words, basically. I won't say what they
are.
I won't understand it, so it's all good.
I don't speak Sanskrit, but yeah, go
ahead.
>> And I become conscious in that in
between space, and I'm seeing through my
ceiling. And I knew I was seeing through
the ceiling of my bedroom because there
was about onethird of the ceiling to my
left left. So it I wasn't hovering
outside of the roof. I was still like
level with my bed, my consciousness.
And I look up in the sky and I see what
looks like a white star. It's dark,
right? And I say to myself in this state
of of lucidity, right? Oh, it's a star.
As soon as I said that, it moved and
came closer to me and got bigger. And
then just to the left of it, one of
those white orbs
shot down right next to it. So, that
brought a lot together. That was a
moment of bringing my spiritual work
together with this phenomenon.
>> Right. what you had seen with your eyes
in the objective physical realm, you had
now also had some non-physical
confirmation of what that was.
>> Exactly.
>> Very cool. So, do do you believe that
that that thing that went down in the in
the in the physical projection of it was
some type of spiritual or non-physical
thing sort of bleeding into this
reality? Is that fair to say?
>> It is. It's exactly what I'm getting at.
>> And And what do you think that is?
Well, it's definitely intelligent. Uh, I
can't say exactly what it is. I could
speak with a little bit more certainty
of my actual spiritual work than this,
but even though it's bleeding into that.
>> Yeah.
>> Um, it's intelligent.
Likely much more intelligent than I am.
>> Yeah.
>> Um, that's for sure. Yeah.
>> Incredible. You're a very fascinating
person, Salvador. I give it up for this
guy. I mean, [applause]
yeah, I'm very interested in everything
you're saying. You have obviously so
much to share. Do you have somewhere
where uh uh people could contact you if
they wanted to or if they wanted to know
more about your practices? Is that
something you share or is that something
you keep close to the chess like?
>> Um I I don't have any like channels to
reach me. Um um but I do have a lot of
experience with um uh cabala and
archangelic planetary magic. That was my
western practice. If you had to direct
someone like me who's a complete like
layman muggle in this world, uh I'm very
like I've barely dipped my toes into any
of that. You've probably gone a lot
deeper, you know, obviously on a lot of
this than I have. Where would you direct
me to start learning about this? Like
where would I go?
>> Well, that's a that's a big question.
Um,
>> that's why I asked it.
>> There's so many books to read. Like, you
know, and and
>> I don't have a classical education.
Like, I spent years like I would break
up my sleep
>> and read these books and do ritual and
I'd like wake up. I'd sleep for three
hours and and
um there's a lot of books, you know,
Francis Barrett, the mages, the mages.
Um uh uh the Heptoon was with the the
you know, the first three books of oult
philosophy. The fourth book is the one
that the heptoron's in. But there's just
so much like you need to build a
library. I actually still read physical
books. Not um
>> Yeah, same.
>> Physical audio books.
>> No. Yeah. No, I love reading, too.
>> It it has to be it has to be a passion.
It has to be something you tr you truly
want to need to know that there's more
to this planet than what they're trying
to get us to believe it is. I think
you're on to something, S. Ladies and
gentlemen, please, [applause] a warm
round of applause for this very brave
man. Awesome story. Thank you [applause]
so much. Can I give you a hug, sir?
Thank you, man.
Give it up for S, guys. Come on.
[applause]
Wow. Wow. [applause]
Look at us starting off with all the all
the layups, all the easy stuff,
[laughter] right? Easing into it. No,
flying saucers. I mean, this was 2023,
I think he said, or Yeah, 23.
>> Flying.
That's why he's here.
>> That's why we brought him. [laughter]
What's the 800th number of pi? All
right. Sorry. Um,
>> seven. [laughter]
>> They're not going to look it up. Um,
>> is is it though?
>> One in 10 chance.
>> Yeah. [laughter]
>> One in 10. Um, no, but like it is wild
because you don't hear very much about
flying saucers,
you know, in the 2020s and on. And so
I'm I'm very happy to know that they're
still here. That's like that sustains
me. Uh, what do you guys make of this?
Yeah.
>> I wonder why I never have those
experiences.
>> Yeah.
>> I would love to have that experience.
Um,
>> but you've had like astral experiences,
>> but not a nuts and bolt thing like that.
As a kid, I always grew up wanted to see
the craft a craft of something, you
know.
>> I've definitely seen some, you know,
>> questionable shapes and lights and
stuff, but
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Who? There was somebody who said
this. It was on one of these recent
shows that we did. I forget who it was,
but it was like, if you're not sure that
it's a UFO, then it's probably not a
UFO. And I and I I I tend to side with
that, right? Because if I see a light
doing a movement and it's like a it's a
triangle or something, it's like, yeah,
I don't know what that is. I can I can
tell you what it's not, but I don't know
all the variables. And so I'm always
there's always a part of me that's like
h I just my mind can't go to that's
definitively an alien or whatever. But a
flying saucer is one of those things
where I'd be like yeah that's it. That's
it. That's the one. That's undeniable.
>> But you had a a triangle go over your
house.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Montreal, right?
>> Yeah. Yeah. Um but again, you know,
>> military there's like you know what I
mean? Like I have a I have a sneaking
feeling and not maybe not all of them,
you know, because there are um you know
Bashar Daryl Ananka, I interviewed him
in in Los Angeles a few nights ago and
his encounters in 73 of which there was
two was the same triangular craft
witnessed by multiple people with like
the lights on the ends and the one in
the middle. And you know, part of me
thinks that like in 5 10 years from now
or maybe 2027 or whatever, like
government's going to say ah it was us
and it's going to like kind of negate
everybody's sighting even though maybe
some of those triangles are not the
government but I feel like that's what's
going to happen. It's kind of like the
stealth bomber like you know there was
like legend of like this you know
anomalous undetectable craft but yeah
you know what that makes me think of
like the closest link has anyone read
secret machines the first book the gods
book um that's one of the ones Lenda did
and there's a whole chapter in that book
about the relationship between like
western esoteric magic and the flying
saucer and he makes a direct um you know
correspondence between like the magic
circle and the flying saucer. And I'm
going to get parts of this rap wrong,
but it's something to the effect of like
maybe the flying saucer is some kind of
manifestation of the magic circle,
whether it's like someone doing rituals
in our dimension or someone in a
different dimension doing rituals that
they're like
>> or someone in a car doing a ritual.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Right. Like Yeah. Exactly.
So, I mean, you know, you see like the
2D versions of these magic circles in
these grimoars like the heptaron or like
Lesser Key of Solomon or like whatever.
And it's kind of like the idea of, you
know, you're you're within that space
when you're doing this ritual. And
that's like keeping you protected with
like angelic names and secret names of
God and stuff like that. But maybe it's
also like projecting something somewhere
else and it's manifesting some kind of
saucery manifestation. I don't know.
>> Yeah, you would think
>> the one thing that sure is I don't know.
>> Yeah, but you would think there'd be
they'd look more gothic in that case. I
feel like they would be less uh
mid-century modern.
>> Yeah, [laughter]
>> that is true.
>> They look very like Swedish design like
these things or something. You know what
I mean? Like
>> Yeah, like Scandinavian UFOs or
[laughter] the like I mean this sports
model, you know what I mean? Like this
thing was a like when I first saw that
craft like even like the Billy Meyer
photos, it's like it's a beautiful
vehicle. Like it's a be like objectively
it's a beautiful design like this is
like the Lamborghini. This is like the
classic car of UFOs, you know. So
whoever if it was them that designed it.
There is um there is design. They have
culture unless it's completely based on
just geometrics and I'm wrong and then
that's why it's appealing to me. I don't
know.
>> It's timeless too, right? like you know
those the same pictures that we have
from the early
>> 40s and 50s.
>> Y
>> the same like it still feels like
futuristic.
>> It does. Yeah. Yeah.
>> From somewhere else, you know.
>> Yeah, it does. Still has that Jetson's
vibe to it. [laughter]
>> Yeah.
>> I always uh side note, I always um I
hated the way that in the Jetsons they
had like
they had a remote that did everything.
It just had one red button on it. And
like that was the future I wanted.
And now I have a remote with 300 buttons
on it. And I have like a a 20page
leaflet on what my remote does. And it
opens up a menu with 400 other buttons
on it. I'm like, this is not what we
were promised.
>> No, that was not what we signed up for.
>> We want the metal button with a little
antenna, you know, the little red
button, and you just does everything. It
washes you. All right. Anyway, so I
digress. Mhm.
>> Um,
>> I was going to ask Michael, have you
ever had an experience in the sky?
>> Not like that, you know, and and oddly
enough, the one the closest thing I've
had to a UFO experience, it's not that
exciting of a story, so I'll tell it in
like the shortest version. It's that
light that I saw above Monroe Institute
that I think I told you about. like it
and it's so weird that it happened
there, but um within probably 15 minutes
of getting to Monroe Institute for
anyone that's seen pictures or has been
there, there's like this big rose quartz
and people are just kind of attracted to
this rose quartz because it's a big
novel thing and you know it's supposed
to have these um great properties to it
so you want to be close to it. Um so
long story short, me and two other
participants are standing out there. we
had just met and we all see this like
just a light in the sky that sort of
looks like a star or something but it's
the middle of the day but then it goes
away and then it reappears like a little
bit further like in a different
direction but it's clearly the same
thing and this just happened like three
or four times and I actually did film it
but it just it doesn't look like that
much on your phone but but yeah that was
strange that's like the one thing I've
seen that I truly don't know what it was
and I I can't explain what it was but it
just was really like a light that was
behaving strange and like disappearing
appearing and reappearing. Yeah. And and
you know what the thing that strikes me
about those particular sightings cuz
I've had a few of those as well is
what makes them so special is the
timing. You know, if I'm just out there,
you know, seeing something in my car and
I that's a weird light or whatever,
that's one thing. But when you're
actively like like you said, you're near
this crystal mon certain energy. Um, you
know, after last year, it was like a few
weeks after my father passed, and I was
with my I was with my brother, my
younger brother, and I was going home,
and at the time he was living beside me.
We pull up in our driveway at the same
time. We get out and I said, "Hey, what
were you doing?" He goes, "I was just
going through dad's stuff, you know. We
were like going through his, you know,
old stuff." And I was like, "Oh, cool."
And as I'm talking to him, I see a flash
behind his like his head. And I go,
"Dude, I just saw like something in the
sky flash." And both of us walk into the
middle of the street where we get like a
better view of the sky and we're just
kind of standing there sort of
reminiscing and I literally and like I
haven't shared this and I I filmed this
video. It's wild. Um to me and I go, you
know, hey dad, if you're there, show us
something and I'm I'm not kidding. This
light just appears on the horizon and it
starts getting bigger, but it looks like
it's coming towards us and it's like
lower than like a satellite or a plane.
It's much bigger. And I'm like scared.
[laughter]
And I turn to my brother. I'm like, "You
seen it?" My brother's very skeptical of
this stuff. And he's like, "Oh my god.
Oh, oh my god. Oh my god." And I'm like,
"Yeah." And I I pull my phone out and
he's like, "Yeah, good thinking. Good
thinking." He didn't even think to get
his phone. I'm like, "I'm going to get
my phone." And I I start filming this
and it's like kind it's it's big. It's a
big light. And then all of a sudden it
starts going up and then it kind of
fizzles out. And we were both there. My
brother to this day will be like, "Dude,
I don't believe in this stuff."
But that that was real. Like that was
real. He does. And I don't know what
that is. But again, on video, you see a
light that gets brighter and it goes up,
but it's like okay. Do you know what I
mean? It's like unimpressive. But it's
the timing of like asking for it. I was
in a a very like emotional state. So is
he. And like it happened then. So it
felt it like amplified it for me. But
yeah, it's on video. you're going to be
like, "What is that?" You know, that's
kind of how it is. Um,
I think it's time we bring out our first
guest for the night. You guys don't know
who. [laughter]
Um, our no um
our guest here uh tonight is someone who
is become a very dear friend of mine.
He's an amazing person. Uh he's very
knowledgeable. I had him on the podcast
recently and um he is uh he's a creative
person. He's a director. He's someone
who
works uh very closely with Bob Lazar.
This is uh my good friend, director of
S4, the Bob Lazar story, Luigi Vendetti.
Guys, give it up.
[cheering and applause]
>> [applause]
[cheering]
[music]
[applause]
>> Have a seat, Luigi.
[cheering]
>> Very, very happy to have you here,
Luigi. Um, thank you for having me.
[laughter]
>> What's What's so, it's so funny. Um,
So funny with Luigi because you know
we've been friends for a few years now.
We live actually like 40 minutes away
and so we're always hanging out and you
know talking to each other, calling each
other and uh when I asked you to come on
the podcast, you've been on before and
I've interviewed you before and we
talked about you know all sorts of stuff
Bob and whatever. But you I knew you had
a story.
>> Yeah.
>> Um that no one else knew about.
>> Yeah.
And I was like,
>> "Unless you were drinking wine with him
at Contact of the Dead."
>> That's right. You heard the story, too.
>> That's right. I remember that.
>> The closer. Have you Did you You heard
it, too, didn't you?
>> No, I heard it on the podcast.
>> On the podcast.
>> I've heard pieces of it.
>> Yeah.
>> But not in full until then.
>> It's one of those things where like when
he started telling me this, we were
there for like 5 hours going through
this like story and I was like, "This is
blowing." It's like the Da Vinci Code.
>> Yeah.
>> Um
>> Yeah. It's It's
>> So, you're going to go ahead and tell a
story. [laughter]
>> Okay. No. No.
>> What was that response like?
>> I have for you.
>> Yeah. That's what we talked about. I I
didn't know we were going to talk about
that when I when you invited me on the
show. So, I went on the podcast. We were
supposed to have a conversation. The
film was just out. Yeah. the Bob Lazar
film was just out. So I'm like, "Okay,
we're gonna talk about that and you cut
it off pretty fast." You said, "All
right, enough about Bob.
I want to talk about what you been in."
So I was like, "All right, you know,
done a lot of stuff." And then you
mentioned,
you know, would you be willing to talk
about the story with Sarah and Lily and
all that? And I thought, okay. And never
did I expect the response
in my entire
I think it's like 38 years involved in
this and you know finally talking about
this in cool environments for like maybe
what like four years or whatever
the amount of messages and and people
reaching out was the biggest I've it far
surpass past the Bob Lazar, you know,
film people reaching out to me. This was
like on another level. So, so I I called
Chris and I was like, "Dude, this is
this is this is just insane." So, that
story hit a nerve. It definitely did.
How many of you watched the podcast with
Luigi? Round of applause. [cheering]
It's [applause] It's really hard to
abbreviate the story. And I know there
are a lot of plus ones that are like,
"What is this story?" Um Jeez, I don't
even
>> abbreviate that.
>> It's so hard. Um but go ahead.
[laughter]
>> I wanted
>> Yeah. Yeah. So you you guys are here
until like midnight, right? So yeah, we
could do that. So yeah, it's it's it's
the craziest story.
>> Yeah. So essentially, I mean, in a in a
very very tightened nutshell, Yep. I I
don't know for for those of you
actually, I do want to say something for
those of you who watched it. I made a
mistake during that podcast and I I
mentioned something about a cat, some
cat energy. A lot of people wrote about
that, you know, and they were and people
were like, "What about the cat energy?"
And I I forgot to finish my sentence
when we were doing that. And a lot of
comments were like, "What about the
cat?" So, I just want to talk about the
cat for a second. So, that
>> sure puts that to rest.
>> Yeah. Also, guys, if you haven't
noticed, you can participate with
emojis. Like, we're encouraging our
phones and stuff. So, you you haven't I
didn't mention this before and I'm
sorry, but like if you feel like you
want to like partake, throw up some
emojis. There you go. Look, you
>> That's cool.
>> There's some you don't believe in, throw
up a red flag. Show them a red flag. Do
whatever you want.
>> All right.
>> That's cool. Yeah, I could see them
there. So,
so for all of you know the story, there
was a girl named Sarah that was in
Montreal and she was in my house and she
said, "There's an energy of a cat in the
house." And I said, "I don't I don't
have a cat. Never had a cat."
>> You know, I was allergic to cats and I
was like, "No, there's no cat." So, I
forgot to finish this, but after Sarah
left Montreal and went back to Great
Britain,
uh, the day after was Halloween. So, I
was in Montreal and I was driving back
home and I get to my house and there's a
cat on at my door. And this never
happened before. I've been living there
all my life and never happened before.
And I was like, that's weird. And this
it's a white cat with some black spots
and it's clawing at my door. And I
thought I wasn't thinking about Sarah. I
was just like, who's what's the cat? You
know, so I'm like, okay, you know, move
the cat, tried to get into my house. The
cat would run and try to get into the
house. And I'm like, no. So I moved the
cat, try to open the door real fast. The
cat really would want to like go into
the house. I'm like, no. So I grabbed
the cat, put it further away. I'm like,
stay. I open the door and the cat ran.
So, I'm like, "All right." So, I open
the door and let the cat in. Now,
there's a cat in my house. Now, I'm not
thinking about Sarah. And the cat's, you
know, going around the house everywhere
figuring out what this house is. And And
I'm fig I'm like, freaking cat in my
house now. What do I do? And I'm
allergic to cats. So, I was like, I
can't have the cat along. You know, I
love cats, by the way. They're my
favorite animal, but I I'm allergic to
them. So, it had a collar and it had a
little, you know, something. And
there's something really funny about
this because my friend Lisa, who is part
of this story as well, nicknamed me
something many years back. You I think
you remember this. Buu. Yeah. In French
Canadian, this is going to sound really
crazy, but in French Canadian, it means
cabbage patch doll. Okay, now I see it.
And and the reason why she nicknamed me
Buchu is because she's 6'3 and I'm 3
foot six. So So she calls me Buchu.
>> By the way, Lisa, if you if you remember
in the story, we put up a picture of her
as well,
>> and there's a whole background with her.
>> There's a whole story she
>> 63
insane.
>> Yeah. Stunning. looks like exactly like
the Nordic, you [snorts] know, type and
also has a wild
>> very very
>> story that maybe we'll get into one day.
>> Yeah, that's another story. And
>> and so I grabbed the cat and I I wanted
to read the collar and it said Buchu
>> on the collar.
>> Wow.
>> And I'm like, what are the chances of
that?
>> So I call, there's a phone number I
call. It's a lady that was living a few
blocks from my house. And I call her and
she says, "Oh my god, my cat never ran
away. This is the first time. I can't
believe you found it. Please, can you
bring it back?" She's an older woman. I
said, "Absolutely." I found I can't
remember what I found, but I put the cat
and I brought her brought the cat back.
And I got back home and I thought that
was weird. And it hit me when I went
back home. I'm like, "Wait a minute.
That's what Sarah said. there was a cat
in my house. There was a cat energy. And
I found that just weird cuz it's like
why would she have said there's an
energy of a cat in this house when there
was never a that was the first cat that
ever came into my house? That was just
weird.
>> Yeah.
>> So very another
>> another weird part of that story. Now
does it does it mean anything?
>> We don't know.
>> It's probably nothing.
>> You know, it's probably nothing.
>> I'll see myself out. Sorry. That's a
crazy synchronicity. I mean,
>> yeah,
>> it's it's wild.
>> And and the fact that the cat's name was
Buchu, it's like that's
>> at that time.
>> Yeah, it was weird.
>> Yeah. So, yeah.
>> Yeah. Synchronicities are are for me, I
mean, they're a wonderful way of sort of
living your life, I found. And, uh, I
think that's something that we all have
in common, probably a lot of you that
are here as well. It's like you you
there's the there's a dichotomy of what
a coincidence is on the logical side and
what a synchronicity is. And the beauty
of it is there is a duality um in this
comparison because the coincidence like
the synchronicity is by definition a
coincidence, right? That's what it is.
You're like, "Oh, it's a coincidence."
That is the definition of a coincidence.
>> But you can live your life thinking that
everything's a coincidence or you could
live your life looking at it as a
synchronicity. So, a coincidence but
with meaning. And what I found is that
if you decide to live this more magical
existence, then more magical things seem
to happen.
>> And and that's just been true for me.
Yeah.
>> And it's been it's been fun to practice.
Uh I want to I want to go over to Nelson
actually because Nelson, you have a wild
>> uh relationship with synchronicity as
well.
>> Yeah. Uh it's it's really ramped up in
the last few years since kind of
connecting with you and this world uh a
little more. Um I just find dimes
everywhere specifically. I know my
brother's in the crowd and he's the most
skeptical person of of this kind of
thing. So he's like, "Oh, anybody can
find a dime." But
>> but I I haven't found a dime.
>> Okay. I don't know what you're talking
about. I You've told me this before and
I'm like maybe once in my life. I don't
remember finding a dime. Right. You have
a jar this high.
>> Yeah.
>> That's like filled with dimes.
>> And And when I started noticing them
more, which was after my retreat at
Monroe two years ago or so, I was
getting a lot of finding a lot of them.
And it was the timing that made it even
crazier each time I'd find one. It
wasn't just like, "Oh, there's one." It
was like, "There's one." when I was kind
of thinking about one or or asking for
one or looking for an answer to a
question and there it was in front of me
the moment after I mentally said that to
myself and I realized also that in my
life I've always found them. I just kind
of said, "Oh yeah, I'm I find dimes and
it's it's a good omen, but I realized
like they've always been in my life."
Um, I remember my brother's too young
for this, but when I lived in France, we
grew up in Europe, traveling around, we
lived in a house out of Paris,
and I remember in the ground, I was just
playing in the dirt and I found an old
dime
from it must have been from like 1910 or
something.
And I always, oh, that's cool. But like
now that I think about it, what the heck
is a dime doing in France in my yard,
right?
>> Um, so it's it's
>> Was it Was it by chance one of those old
dimes that has like the wing headed?
>> No.
>> Okay.
>> It just says one dime on the front.
>> Okay.
>> I think it says Yeah.
>> Or Yeah, I think it just Oh, it says uh
it just I think it just says 10 cents on
on the front or it's one of the old old
ones. I keep it in in a box in my
parents house.
>> But yeah, go ahead. I I was going to say
this. It's actually synchronous that you
bring this up because any any Robert
Anton Wilson fans in the crowd um he in
one of his books it might be Prometheus
Rising I'm not sure but he he's one of
these like very you know mercurial
esoteric authors who's you know he's
having UFO experiences and thinking he
might be in contact with uh some
intelligence from Sirius but he's also
very logical and agnostic about it all
and and is willing to go through all the
different possibilities, but one of the
thought experiments in one of his books
is to try to manifest quarters on the
ground. And and basically one of the he
he encourages you to say try it where
you where you're manifesting it or
synchronously discovering them and now
try it where you're just convinced it's
only your own attention. So he's not
telling you like which one it is, but
he's encouraging you to like play with
these different modalities and ways of
you know experiencing things and and one
of them happens to be that like finding
coins in the ground. Yeah.
>> Very cool. And Nelson also, you know,
he's got a physics background as well
and he's a very, you know, I think by
the very nature you're are a skeptical
person, not a skeptic, but like you look
at things and try to rationalize them.
But when you find them, what do you do
with them?
>> Well, I I I log them. I keep track of
what day it was, what was happening that
day, if I it was heads or tails. I also
keep track of how I interact or find
other coins, right? Because I'm not just
blind to the dimes. Sometimes I find a
penny like anyone might, right?
>> People find pennies, too. Yeah. Um and I
do find pennies. I do find quarters. I I
do find nickels, but
>> statistically it's always more
predominantly dimes.
>> Overwhelmingly so. And uh more heads or
tails? That's one thing I've been
keeping track of more and it's mostly
tails.
>> By how much?
>> Um I'd have to look at the I'm still
collecting data, but I'd say probably
like 80%.
>> Yeah.
>> Like what?
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Wow.
>> So, but but it it drives me wild because
then I find one heads and I'm Yeah.
heads and I'm like, what do I what does
that mean? Like is tails good?
>> I'm still I'm trying to figure that out.
I'm trying to map it to what outcomes
are happening, you know? I think Tales
is a good I mean I think they're all
kind of basically a wink to me from
whatever it is that I'm on the right
path. Right. Well, it's like the
alchemist.
>> Yeah.
>> Right. He had these in the in the book
by uh Paulo Coella like the uh he had
these stones that he would just ask like
that one time,
>> right?
>> This question, right? And it was like
yes or no. And that was kind of like
heads or tails. What? And what about the
years? You log those as well?
>> I do log the years. I haven't really
noticed a pattern yet, but you know,
I've I've had ones that go all the way
back to the early 1900s. I have ones
that I just got one the other day. It's
like the new minted ones from 2026, they
look brand new. They're amazing.
>> Really excited about that.
>> I know. That blows my mind because I
don't find dimes. And I have, if you
look at our chat history,
>> it's like after a while I was like,
cool. He sends me I have 30 photos of
dimes of just like another one. And it's
just him pointing to a dime and he's
like, "Oh man, I was just at the
racetrack today and I remote viewed um
the color pink and so I bet on the pink
horse and I usually put five bucks, but
I found a dime and so I put 50. I won
$1,500."
>> Yeah. This was the the Belmont Stakes
was being held as one of the big uh race
races of the year at I live in Saratoga
Springs and we have a little racetrack,
but they were holding it there that
year. And I found a dime on the way to
make a bet. And I I do a weekly remote
viewing thing for horse racing
specifically, but I don't really bet on
it. It's just to gather data and, you
know, see how I'm performing. But this
I'm at the track. It's a Belmont Stakes.
It's big race. I was like, "Okay." And I
I go over to the the the cashier, you
know, it's old timey. You put the cash
over, you say what you want, who's going
to win, you do the trifecta, the box,
whatever. I don't really understand all
that stuff. I just And I don't even
understand horse racing. I just see a
color and I put my money on it as the
winner. And I'm I'm I've got pretty good
results. But this one, I knew I knew
that black was going to win. And I was
thinking to myself like what what I
usually put like 10 bucks. You know, I'm
not a big gambler. But I was like, I
know that this horse is going to win. I
should put a lot, but you know, you
temper your your your expectations and
you're like, "No, I should be
responsible. I don't want to put all my
money." So, I put 50, right? Was huge.
Um, but it's a weird feeling knowing
something's going to happen. And that
dime was this the thing that kind of
like let me know. And of the race was
insane. If you want to look back, it was
2024 um the the Belmont Stakes. This
this horse, nobody was saying its name
for for a winner. And uh it was last
place, last place, last place, and just
earned its way up, won by the tip of its
nose, a door knock. And uh I remember
being like, "Yes, pin drop." Nobody ever
Oh, look. Everybody was like, "Who the
hell is Door Knock?" Except for the
owners. They were happy. But yeah, I got
a It was like I won like 1,200 bucks. It
was
>> crazy. It's a weird feeling.
>> Imagine if you were a gambler,
>> dude. Yeah.
>> Think about how much money you lost that
day, dude. That's No kidding. [laughter]
>> That's a fascinating story. That's
incredible.
>> I I just if if I can um I have I have
something about synchronicities that
happened to me. When I was a kid, my
grandfather uh used to work in a flower
market and he always used to take a red
carnation. He would cut it and he would
put it over his over his left ear. That
was his trademark. I grew up my
grandfather always having a red
carnation cut short over his left ear.
So that was like as a kid I would I knew
he would have a flower. When he died I I
was named after him. So when he died I
started finding cut red carnations in
the street. So I I have them in a box.
They're all in a box. And at a certain
point I moved to China. I don't know if
you know I lived in China for a while
and I was it was my birthday and I was
in southern Canton province and we were
in a different city and I was staying in
this apartment hotel type of place and I
was on the 17th floor. Nobody was
staying on the 17th floor. It was just
me. It was a really nice place. And so
my business partner was there. His he
brought his his family and his
girlfriend's families cuz it was my
birthday. And the door, somebody knocked
on the door and I opened the door and it
was his girlfriend with a small red
carnation in her hand. And I'm looking
at her, her name was Tracy. I said,
"Tracy, where'd you get that?" She goes,
"Right here in front of the door."
>> Wow.
>> I'm like, "What? There was no flowers in
the building." I went I made it a thing
to go like, "Where where are the
flowers?" Like I I go, "There's no way."
And I went down in the lobby. There was
no flowers. How did that red carnation
get there?
>> Wow.
>> And to to close off the whole, you know,
synchronicity, years later, my father
passed away. And it on the day of his
funeral, it was a monster snowstorm in
Montreal. I mean, mega snowstorm. Okay.
And everybody was in the funeral home.
At the end, everybody left. And I'm I've
got these bags. I had a bunch of stuff.
It was the wake. I bought a bunch of
stuff and I'm walking away. Everybody
went to this exit to the right of the
funeral home. I for some reason,
I have no clue why I did this. I decided
to take the long way out of the funeral
home. I don't know why. I don't know
why. And I was carrying stuff. So, it
was like no logic to what I did. I just
did it because I felt like not going
where everybody was going. And I went to
another door. I was the only guy there.
And the one of the guys working there
saw me carrying all these bags. So he
just opened the door for me. And as I
walk out the parking lot cuz all the
cars were on the other side. So the
parking lot was a perfect white. There
was no cars that driven. So it was like
perfect white snow. And right far right
in the center I see this red little
thing. I swear
I walked all the way there and it was a
little red carnation on the snow. I may
God strike me that I saw that I I h I
still have it and it's like what does
that mean right
synchronicity
>> thank you crazy
>> that is the most [applause] that is the
very definition of a synchronicity like
that's what I mean
>> you can say coincidence but like this
clearly has a very deep meaning and
Michael's going to explain exactly well
[laughter]
in a way this is like even though it's
an unanswerable question. It's also like
the most softball question because this
is something I've done like multiple
videos on something I like I've deep
dove on of like in terms of what it
could mean, what the confirmation bias
aspects of it are, what the history of
the idea is. And of course, I think this
is a super old idea that's gone by many
names, right? But it's in a modern
sense, it's coined by Carl Jung, the
famous psychiatrist. Um, and we actually
had a weird It It's very strange
actually that we're spending so much
time in this show like totally
unscripted talking about synchronicities
because they came up when we were
looking at those books today in this
like we were walking earlier today going
to a camera store and we stumbled across
this um this little like not yard sale
exactly, but it was in like a driveway
somewhere. It was just random stuff for
sale and we're looking at random books
and we're like, "Oh, it's kind of
synchronous synchronous that we found
this book and that book." And then right
when we left, there was a giant picture
of a beetle.
>> Like just a giant picture of a beetle.
And for anyone that knows Carl Jung, his
most famous story is a is a beetle
synchronicity story. So it's just super
weird to be talking about
synchronicities earlier today, seeing
the beetle. Now we're talking in an
extended unscripted fashion about
synchronicities. It's just weird. And
and ultimately, you know, he was kind of
ambivalent about what it meant, but he
he war he was smart enough to warn
against, you know, like this is ripe for
like confirmation bias and flights of
fancy and like thinking that you're
controlling reality. And he was saying
the ego shouldn't think that it's
driving synchronicity. But what he
believed is that it's like we're
stumbling across what the ancients would
have called sympathy. So in these
ancient esoteric systems, most of them
believed in sympathies. It's like there
were these this was like invisible
language of nature and to be like a
magician was to understand those symbols
and understand how to manipulate those
symbols. So I think what it is is it's
that f that nebulous psychical faculty
that we have that's always like rubbing
up against the transcendent and we don't
really know how or why things happen but
they do happen and we see the meaning
and it's often times like they're just
beyond explanation far beyond chance. So
I think it's like we're rubbing up
against that dimension of meaning you
know and and when you do certain things
it again thins that boundary. That
that's what I think at least. I knew you
could do it. [laughter]
[applause]
Uh before we move on, we do have a
special uh message. Now, as many of you
know, uh Luigi did do a documentary.
It's a bit of a big deal. It's called
S4: The Bob Lazar Story.
Uh it was number one on Amazon. It is
now free to stream on Prime and it's
like trending which is amazing. People
are watching it. If you haven't seen it
and if you're a plus one,
>> maybe don't start there. Maybe start
with like something a little like No,
seriously, go watch it. It's it's it's
an amazing congratulations again. It's
just such a fun [applause]
>> Yeah. I got to, you know, witness the
inception and the creation and every
step along the way. And it was just such
a delight to to well I mean at times you
know it was ups and downs you know
making a
>> and and I'm going to say this again I
want everybody to know that I myself my
team everyone thank you Chris Ramsey cuz
if it wasn't for this guy we wouldn't
have made it all the way to the finish
line. So thanks man. [cheering]
[applause]
>> All right. I appreciate that. Thank you.
>> I appreciate it. Um, but your our friend
Bob Lazar was kind enough to send us a
little video for you guys tonight. Um,
so Yony, if you don't mind, we got a
little little video. Hey guys, good to
see you. Sorry, I just can't make it. I
just got too much stuff going on here.
We got fires nearby and all that stuff.
>> Uh, well, [laughter]
the man himself,
uh, and himself. [applause]
>> Well, give it up for Bazar.
Uh, you know, too bad he couldn't make
it tonight, but [applause] he wish he
could be there. He's dealing with some
fires and stuff and he's got like horses
and whatnot, but uh, you know, nice of
him to
>> Wait a second. What's that?
>> What's that sound?
>> Ladies and gentlemen, Our next guest
tonight
and resident of Oregon,
Mr. Robert Scott Lazar.
[cheering]
[applause]
>> [cheering]
[laughter]
>> I made it. I made it.
>> So, you made it.
[cheering]
[applause]
>> I'm I'm a little curious. Round of
applause. Did we fool you with that
video?
>> No. [laughter]
>> Good job.
>> Way too smart. Yeah, we gota we got to
work on that, Bob. We got to work on our
our magic trick a little more.
>> Um, thank you for being here.
>> Oh, no problem. Good to be here.
>> So, um, currently trending once again on
Amazon is a story of S4, uh, the Bob
Lazar story or S4, the Bob Lazar story.
Um, how has the response been for you
since this movie came out? How, you
know, obviously you've had people reach
out and you've seen some response
online. How has that been so far for
you?
>> Oh, it's been a tremendous response. I
mean, it's, uh, it's really changed
my life really. Um, it's the first time
I don't really have to explain what
happened to me. I can just point to
Luigi or refer to S4 and said, you know,
here it is. But it's uh it's amazing how
well it was done and it um it's really
changed the whole dynamics.
Yeah, it's uh it's one of it's one of
those movies where you know even someone
who's you know I've I've seen all the
documentaries on your life up to this
point all of the reportings all of the
YouTube videos you know and like many
others were always just we we want a
little more. We're always like, you
know, there's got to be there's got to
be more to the story. And I'm sure
you're like, no, that's it. That here
you go. But then Luigi makes this, you
know, movie. And you guys all of a
sudden gave us more more than we thought
could ever, you know, sort of be
conjured up from this. You gave us a
physical sort of representation.
>> Well, a picture's worth a thousand
words. I mean, that's what it is. How
many times can you tell the same story
over and over? But if you're able to
show everything exactly the way it was,
it takes on a whole new dimension.
>> Yeah, absolutely. Um Luigi, quick
question for you when doing this and
like, okay, you got out there, you made
this movie. Um
how do you feel with, you know, once
this is out there, it's being received.
What's your gestalt on this? like how
was that received for you being someone
who's you know you're going up against
the biggest story almost in in UFO
history. This is a monumental task to
tell a story in this way specifically
and very accurately once that was all
done. How did that feel for you? Well,
that was the the fir well the first
thing was I always felt a certain degree
of extreme responsibility because I knew
how incredibly controversial the story
was, how a lot of people pay so much
attention to every single thing Bob
would say. And I reading all the stuff
throughout the years online and you read
so much misinformation, not not
purposeful, sometimes just people
explaining it the wrong way. So it was
important to make sure that everything
was 100%
what Bob said he saw so that at least
there was the the starting point was
accurate. If you wanted to argue the
story, at least you're starting on the
right track. And when that when the film
came out, obviously I was nervous. Are
people going to like it? It's the first
time I make a film. So I was really
worried that, you know, I liked it, but
are people going to like it? And it
ended up being a good film. And people
>> Great film.
>> Thank you. And the people were
responding saying, "Finally, we finally
understand what he saw and what the
story was all about." And that was
really rewarding for me, for my team
because and I felt happy that I was able
to deliver that in a in a digestible
format.
>> Yeah. Monumental task and and you did
you did it you did it justice. I think
[applause]
um I wanted to follow up with you Bob
because the last time you know you
appeared on my channel uh you know we
had kept this secret for almost a year.
I had, you know, um, when I interviewed
you, uh, the second time on my channel,
most people don't know this, but you
were there that day to shoot an episode
with Travis Walton.
>> Oh, right. Right.
>> Yeah. We had done So, if you look at the
interview I did with Travis Walton and
the interview, the second interview I
did with Bob, you'll notice I have a
clock in the skiff and it has a date on
it and it's the same date. So like those
some of you clued in were like wait
that's the same because it's very
subtle. Uh but that's also why those
podcasts were shorter because you know
they they were spent they were they just
had a you know 19 coffees in the diner
[laughter]
>> and I remember was like my heart's going
to explode like get this get this coffee
away from me. Um but yeah, we kind of
like kept that for a while. And after
the second interview, uh after the first
interview, there's an extra like 7
minutes of that interview that kind of
like uh wasn't really recorded. Like we
stopped sound and then like we just kept
talking and you had said to me, you
said, "Man, you know, I'd really love to
meet Travis Walton." You said, "Really
interesting. Luigi talks about him a lot
and he's someone that, you know, I I
feel is very credible and some I'm I
just want another letter on the
crossword puzzle. I just want, you know,
it' be nice to talk to him. And I said,
Bob, I I'd move mountains to make that
happen. And with Luigi's help, you know,
and I even remember texting you and
being like, you know, what if he what if
he did this in a diner in like the 50s?
And like you were like, hell yeah, that
sounds really cool, you know? And I was
like, say less. And I and I built it. I
remember sending you pictures like
>> that was
>> and then you know bring you down and I
get you to sit down and and for in my
opinion one of the most legendary
conversations just over coffee and pie.
Um
what was that experience like for you?
How did you feel about it? And how did
you feel after getting to speak with
Travis Walton?
>> Oh well it was great. I for some reason
I just always wanted to talk to Travis.
I mean, one of the reasons was I saw the
movie they made and um Travis hated it.
He said it had nothing to do with what
happened to me. Um, I heard so many
conflicting stories and I just wanted to
hear it from the guy and you know just
to to meet him to ask him questions and
just to see what he really meant, what
he really went through was um it was
really cool. I mean that was that that
was a great experience.
>> Did you walk away feeling um like did it
raise your conviction level on his
story?
>> Yeah, it did. Yeah. Yeah. You always get
a different feeling when you're hearing
it, you know, directly from the horse's
mouth as opposed to a repeated story or
a movie or something like that. But
yeah, there's just something about and,
you know, Travis had said the craft he
saw looked almost identical to the sport
model. So, I wanted to quiz him on
things because he got to walk inside.
he saw it from different angles and uh
it was just really interesting to get
feedback from him. So yeah, it meant a
lot to me. So thanks again for making
that happen.
>> My pleasure. Um
you know, it was it was interesting too
because we were I remember we were
sitting together. So like you guys
didn't actually meet for the first time
on camera. It was like very we spent
some time together the night before
because you were both just eager to meet
each other. I kind of wanted to keep you
separate and like have that meeting
happen. I was like, "No, this needs to
be, you know, these guys need to talk to
each other." And uh we we were sat down
at the office all together just
>> conversing and like all we kept making a
joke. I'm like, "We should have filmed
this conversation." Um but at uh at one
point you start you're like,
>> "Travis,
what about the arches?" And I'm like,
"Hold on, hold on." I'm like, "We we
can't cross this line." I'm like, "We
got to keep something for tomorrow." I
remember feeling really bad about that
because I wanted to stop you. Uh, but
you did have a burning question about
those arches and what was what was
Travis's response to that? He doesn't
does he remember seeing them? It that
was kind of nebulous because he says I
do kind of recall something like that,
but it's you know Travis had a lot more
important things to concentrate on when
he was there like trying to get away.
Um,
but you know, the archways are
significant to the operation of the
craft because they're wave guides. And
I kind of explained that to Travis and
it kind of took him back, you know, to
where he remembered there was something
along those lines. But I mean, he
couldn't give me a definite answer if it
was exactly the same. But um I really
did want to know that if the craft Well,
and he was in more than one if they all
had that kind of construction on the
inside.
If you could cuz you, by the way, you
did a great job interviewing Travis,
which is what it ended up being cuz I
didn't know how it was going to go. I
was like, "Hey, you're just going to I'm
going to leave you guys to it. We're
going to set up the cameras." We
actually left the room and kind of just
like sent the waitress in and like we
didn't want to I didn't want to like
push it in any way. I had that little
briefcase with your files in it, which
was a fun little touch.
>> Um, but if you had to because I think
you had pretty good interview skills.
>> I think you're a pretty good
interviewer. Um,
>> I don't think so.
>> I No, I actually I I to be completely
candid, I think you're way more
comfortable interviewing people. Like,
I've seen you on multiple interviews.
I've interviewed you like even now. But
I think you as an interviewer, like you
were really good at letting people talk,
not like I'm
>> probably more comfortable interviewing
someone than being interviewed. Yeah,
totally agree with that. Yeah.
>> Um, who would you interview
if you had a chance? Now, I'll let you
go maybe uh dead or alive, anybody. If
you could sit down with somebody for two
hours at the Flying Saucer,
>> I mean, we're just talking about UFO
related.
>> You know what? one UFO related and one
not UFO related.
>> Oh man,
>> how much time do I have? Um,
>> I don't know. I can't spontaneously come
up with an answer. All right, we'll come
back to it.
>> I I will produce an answer in the next
five minutes. [laughter]
>> Amazing. Uh, in the in the meantime,
Michael, uh, Nelson, do you guys have
any questions?
>> Yeah, I do for sure. Um [laughter]
um I've heard a bunch of your interviews
and I love that you stick to what you
know and what you saw directly, but I'm
really interested in the relationship
between the phenomenon and
consciousness. And you often hear from
experiencers that there's like this
uncanny aspect to a lot of these
sightings. Like the guy, I don't know if
you heard the experience who was up here
earlier, but he had been literally doing
like a full moon ritual before having
like a classical UFO, like discshaped
UFO appear in front of him. And there's
just so many, you know, stories to this
effect, whether it's like uh instant
communication between these beings and
the experiencer or whatever. So, I'm
just curious when when you were in
especially in contact with the craft,
but even secondarily, were you exposed
at all to anything having to do with
this weird relationship between
consciousness and the craft or
consciousness and the beings? And
>> I was not, but I I do have a friend
um
that is so convinced
that there is consciousness attached to
the craft in some some way. I mean, he
goes into the construction of the brain,
microtubules, and and I I mean, how they
are, and these topics are only just
being touched on now in depth. I'm sure
you've you're familiar with that. And um
and he swears that he's got this figured
out and consciousness consciousness is a
substantial part of how everything works
in unison. And um I mean to to the point
where he'll just call me like at 6:00 in
the morning cuz he's been thinking about
this all night. And I stop taking his
calls once in a while, you know? I just
I can't wake up and start thinking about
that. It takes me a while. But um he's
he's a great guy, a brilliant guy, and
um you know, but I didn't have any
any direct connection to that. I didn't
see any evidence of that, but he is
slowly convincing me that that's the
case.
>> Interesting. Interesting. Did you get
any sense that there could be a special
relationship between the brain and the
craft itself in terms of how it's
piloted or interacted with?
>> It has to be something along those lines
because there's no physical controls.
So,
I mean, look, it's not that, you know,
if we talked about that in 50s and 60s
about some kind of mental control, it
would it sounds like something from Star
Trek, but now it's no big deal. You
really can, you know, control uh
relatively complicated systems in that
way. But um there there has to be how
else is the craft controlled unless it
has something to do with the top the top
level which I have never had access to
or had information on.
>> So interesting.
>> Yeah. Oh, please.
>> Are you familiar with the uh professor
from I think it's MIT uh Rudy Child.
One more sign. Rudy Child. I don't think
so. Yeah. He he uh is a professor from
MIT as astrophysicist if I'm not wrong
and was interviewed by George Knap at
one time and he says he spoke to
somebody who had been on the program and
he was in favor of Bob Lazar and was
explaining that he is convinced that
there was some type of mental connection
between the occupant and the craft and
there was some type of communication He
had heard between some academics or some
scientists that had been involved in the
program that that was how this thing
functioned that there was a connection
to the machine with our brain. This is a
this is a guy who's
>> got a lot of credentials at MIT who came
out publicly talking about this.
Obviously, not a lot of people like to
to bring it out in the public. He's an
older guy, but I spoke to him. I'm I'm
in communication with him. Very very
smart guy. So, you should look into
that. It's really interesting.
Definitely will. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Um, I've always wanted to ask you
about this just because obviously I have
a fascination with memory and you know
you're in this position where you've
been telling this story that happened to
you so long ago and you've had to say it
over and over again and you know people
have gone on and told your story for you
or or done documentaries about it and
then you know this gentleman comes along
and is sitting with you painstakingly
going through all these memories to
rebuild them. I would imagine that it
I'm already amazed at how you were able
to go into those depths and find the
detail to construct something that was
so detailed. But it must
>> it was because of bringing out those
details that brought back the memories
if that's what you're going to ask.
>> That's what I'm getting to. So like as
you're coming up with probably something
that's
hard to describe and and probably fading
a little bit, you build it a little bit.
I'm sure that kind of revitalizes or
helps kind of job.
>> It absolutely did. I wish I had an
example that I can remember, but that
occurred. And in fact,
>> I think it was setting up the lab or
something in there. And yeah, you know,
we'd uh
>> put it on the computer
essentially walk in there and, you know,
turn around and I, you know, wait,
there's there's a door missing. And, you
know, there's absolutely a door there.
And you know by walking through it um I
think that even happened in the big
hanger too.
>> That's right.
>> Um it was just once you see yourself
there
>> um you can kind of see what's missing.
>> Yeah.
>> Memory dropped out.
>> Yeah. But it also says that the memory
is still in there. It just needed
>> the connecting fabric to get there which
was you know seeing the basic structure
but missing the door and then suddenly
now you have the door. And I'm sure that
just seeing that door probably unlocked
some other details, right?
>> Yeah, I I think it happened all through
in different levels of intensity. I
mean, some things were big and you know
there it was. I remember
>> the light in the the tripod light in the
craft, you know, had a cable coming out
and you're like, "Oh, yeah, it was
orange." Extension cord.
>> The extension cord cuz you're like, he
would always tell us, "Look out for the
cables," you know.
>> Yeah. Yeah. There was also something
else. A big container that The blue
liquid container. Wait, what? What is
What is this?
>> There was a big container. We just
called it Windex. It was [laughter] just
Yeah, it looks just like a big container
of Windex. But
>> And what does it do?
>> I have no idea.
>> It was It was just there. It had nothing
to do with what we were doing. And um I
had just forgotten about it um until you
know we
>> started putting the lab together and
>> well it was the lab came together. You
remember
>> you remembered the door right away. It
was instant. As he walks into the lab
the first thing Bob says is wait there's
a door that's missing right to the
right. It was instant. And I remember
going well wait why why would there be a
door there? It goes to the hanger. And
and you said yeah that's where we went.
And immediately was like, okay, that
opened up a whole other thing because
then when you're in the hanger, you had
the adjacent hanger door and there was
little doors in there and you said,
>> "Wait, there's a missing door in that
big door and you everything started
cascading and it was like his memory was
just coming right back." And I compared
it to when you look at, you know, if
ever you bring out an album, old photos,
>> and you look at, let's say, a picture of
your own house when you were a kid, and
you see one thing and you go, "Oh,
yeah." And then suddenly everything
starts coming back. Same thing. You're
in a place where you can't go back.
>> Yeah.
>> And so, the difference is is that at
least the photo is it's a a actual photo
you took. The thing you created is not
real. Right. You've built it from him
and it's kind of like this recursive
loop that's just rebuilt his own memory.
>> Right. Yeah. It's pretty cool.
>> Like a virtual memory palace
>> booster. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
>> It's like a mind palace.
>> Yeah, I've heard of that. Yeah.
>> But it um and it is interesting too
because spatial memory
>> is like our strongest memory. Isn't that
>> That's what I was telling you earlier
how I remember all these digits of pi. I
was placing them in this memory palace
and how powerful it is for humans to
remember spatial information. So, it's
not surprising that the structure you
should have recruited Nelson to help.
>> That's true. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Just like Nelson just holding
Bob's head. I mean, like, come on. It's
in there.
>> Right. [laughter]
>> Think harder, Bob.
>> I still can't believe you you can
remember 10,000 digits of pi.
>> It's not that crazy.
>> Yes, it is that hard. Yeah, [laughter]
>> it's not that hard. It's not that hard.
>> I I did have one more question. um about
memory again, but is there any memory
that you're aware that you've forgotten
just because of time that's passed and
it's faded that you wish you remembered
more?
>> Oo, good question.
>> I know that's occurred, but
I don't remember. You know, I fair
answer. Yeah.
[applause]
What um maybe like the documents is
there like because there was a lot of
documents they had to read.
>> You know, I really I know a lot of
people focus on those cuz go boy all the
answers are there but
>> like that's when I first got into the
project and I was just going through
these things. They probably just I
didn't even know if they were real. So I
just flipped through them quick. Oh
really? Okay. And you know and then you
know that was that was that. So I and I
never got to look at them again. So,
>> yeah, that would be fun to go back into
that mine palace.
>> Yeah, I if I could remember what I saw
on each page, that would be kind of
cool. Yeah.
>> Yeah, there's there's there's something
in the works. That's all I'll say.
All right.
All right.
Interesting.
We won't pry. [laughter] We'll be
polite. Um, yeah, go ahead. I was going
to say Bob looked surprised when you
said that.
>> There is news to me. [laughter]
>> I am surprised. Yeah.
>> You know, one of the things I wanted to
say about memory and and and today's
technology cuz you said, you know, I
built something that wasn't real that is
like a loop where it makes him remember
something. And one of the things that I
hope that comes and I'm I'm obviously
myself, my team always at the very
forefront of learning about technology
and what what we have as tools and AI is
obviously the biggest thing that's
that's arrived is is revolutionizing the
world. Whether we like it or not, it's
here and it's not going to go away. What
I would love to see and hopefully we are
able to make the existing computing
equipment that we have able to do it.
How cool would it be if we could
basically speak to AI like we speak to
chat or whatever we speak to, whoever
decides to speak to something. We're
speaking to a robot these days. And
imagine saying to a robot and you're
looking at a screen and you want to
build your high school from your memory
and see how accurate AI can start
building it in 3D while you're talking
>> and that would start opening up your
memory to things. And how accurate could
it get where we start building our
memories visually in front of us? I
would love to see that in the next, you
know, 10 years
>> season of Black Mirror.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. [laughter]
>> Um, yeah. I mean, but you did that in a
way terrifying.
>> Um,
>> have you have you thought about who
you'd like to interview yet?
>> Yeah. I I'm sorry that it it's gonna
sound so typical. Go ahead, but I'm I
I'm still gonna have to go back to
Einstein just because of where he was on
gravity.
>> That's
>> Well, let's set it up. [laughter]
>> All right,
>> the next diner episode.
>> It's going to be a It's going to be a
tough one, but we'll make it happen.
I'll
>> We need to get Salvator back up here to
do a couple rituals [laughter] and we'll
get back to you.
Just give me a good old shovel, I guess.
Um, and a potion. I don't know. Um,
is there anyone in the in the UFO field
that you feel like hm that you'd like to
interview one more time or one or just
>> I don't know. I don't really know the
UFO field.
>> What about John Lear? Would you go back
and if you could and sit down with John
one more time?
>> I've said I've sat down with John
[laughter]
a lot.
All right.
>> What's the craziest thing John Leer has
ever told you?
>> Oh my god. Oh my god. [laughter]
>> Really?
>> Yeah. Yeah. Let's go. Okay.
>> And and we're going to clip it
[laughter] right there. No, no, no, no.
But what is like the most insane thing
that he's told you because he's said
some stuff.
>> Okay. Um, we can go on for a while. That
there's this the sun is not hot. It's
just that the atmosphere of the sun's on
fire, but the, you know, the globe
itself is solid. There's people living
on it. And um the same thing uh with
Venus, there are there are people there.
And I said,
>> when does the crazy part start?
>> Yeah,
we're getting there. We're getting
there. [laughter]
But I mean, John Leer had so many crazy
ideas that the the thing is John was a
great guy. I really liked him. But he
had no BS filter at all. And you know,
like I've said before, he could have a
fourstar general come in and say, "Hey,
I've got a bunch of information here,
you know, for you." and you know he'd
file it and then he can have this
literally happened a neighbor girl came
over and she said I can see radio waves
and he said okay great and you know
they he puts them both together and they
they both have equal weight and you know
and I said well
[laughter]
uh that's crazy John you know and and he
said no it's not it's not she said she
can see radio. I said, "All right. All
right. Well, let's get a walkie-talkie.
I will bring one over and she can sit
there and I'll key it and you know, she
won't be able to see it and she can tell
me when she sees radio waves and when
she doesn't." Yeah. I said, "That's a
fair test." He said, "No, you you can't
do a test like that." [laughter]
Yeah. And so, but there is so many crazy
things. But within all the crazy things
like he would still talk to like for
example a fourstar general. So it's like
>> oh he had great contacts. He really did
you know partially because of his father
and um you know he wasn't a very
accomplished pilot. He had every
>> flying certificate and world record you
could possibly have. Um
but as time went on he just I he just
started
thinking in a nonlinear fashion you know
it's just different.
>> Yeah. He's uh I mean clear clearly
there's some unhinged you know theories
around John Leer but also you know he
would he would still talk about things
like um like the MJ12 documents or like
uh you know the Aztec crash and stuff
like that. Yeah, he to him there was
there was supposedly hundreds of UFO
crashes, which just doesn't make sense.
Um, he also said in the Nellis Mountain
Range there's over a billion aliens that
live inside there and you know where do
they ever come out? I mean, how can you
not see a billion of anything?
[laughter] But, uh, he had he just had
so many crazy ideas, but he had a lot of
great information, too. who knew a lot
of, you know, prominent people.
>> Yeah. I have a feeling if anyone could
get some novel and, you know, good
information out of him, it would be you
in an interview. So, I think
>> Yeah, definitely.
>> But, um, yeah.
>> Well, Chris, uh, if I may ask you, if
you could have, you've already had Mount
Rushmore of guests on the diner.
>> Sure.
>> Talking to each other, who would you
ideally love to have next? Um,
I mean there's there's a few there's a
few like Alive like
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Otherwise strange podcasts.
[laughter]
>> Yeah. Yeah. One of us isn't drinking
coffee, you know.
>> Um,
>> I guess I'll get the bill. Um,
[laughter]
>> uh, I would say there's a few like on
the on the celebrity side, I'd love to
interview Dan Akroyd. Oh,
>> I think he's totally underrated. He's
did Joe Rogan once, you know, he's into
crystal skulls. Yeah, obviously his
crystal skull vodka, but he's his his
whole family has a history of like
paranormal things. He's got a book
coming out soon, which I can't wait to
read. And and he's a very fascinating
person, a Canadian as well. So,
definitely Dan Akroyd, but also on the
more sort of UFO side of things, I
think.
Um,
man. Huh. Jacqu Valet. O. Yeah, that's a
deep cut. I think definitely Jacqu
Valet. I'm hoping to make that happen
actually um eventually. Yeah. You know,
I know he's he's you know, he's getting
up there and he's not really traveling
that. I think he's done doing like
public appearances and stuff and so
yeah, I would love to even even honestly
he's one of those people who even off
the record, off camera, I would just
love to like he's like the closest thing
to like a shaman we have in like this
euphology business. Like he's been to
more encounter sites than I think anyone
else. He's intertwined with some of the
most interesting people and events in
the last like you know whatever decades.
It's really really um you know this guy
helped invent like the internet like you
know what I mean like he's he's just a
really really special guy I think him
and then Dan Burrish I think could be
the other one. So um but yeah also
I believe in Canada uh Dan Burrish. So
you know love to make that Dan if you're
watching if you're at home you know or
Marcia.
>> Yeah he has to come out. He's gota I
mean, but you know, that's one of those
ones as well where it's like I'm just
gonna let you talk
>> and you guys decide [laughter] like not
going to weigh in on this one. Um and I
think here's another one. Here's a
controversial one and uh this interview
is coming out next week for you guys. So
um I interviewed for 4 hours. I sat down
with Richard Dodie
>> [laughter]
>> I already hear the comments on this
video. [laughter]
>> Hey, how about it? Um, got to say very
aphable guy. It's in his interest to be
affable. I understand. But, um, the the
conversation was fascinating. We got
through a lot of stuff. It's one of
those like suspend your disbelief like,
you know, giant rocks grain assault. Um,
but very interesting nonetheless. That
those are Yeah, that's a little sneak
peek. How about you?
>> If you had to talk to somebody in this
field.
>> Oh, I probably Tom Dong just because I'm
a huge Blink fan, but I just love to
hear him spew all his stuff. Yeah.
>> Nice.
>> Michael,
>> I mean, if we could if we could find
him, uh, General McCassllin's
mass
and and Lenda together would be
>> insane.
Yeah. Like I just someone someone who
really knows what's going on behind the
scenes at a very high level who like you
know oversees like the wooaps like the
waved unagnowledged special access
programs doesn't have any
compartmentalization talking to someone
who has like the crazy philosophical
chops you know and like seeing how all
of that would come together that would
be
>> that is kind of the missing link is like
we hear about the nuts and bolts we hear
about like the soft sciences and there
is like what joins those two things
together is like this weird
Greek mythology or something.
>> Exactly.
>> Or even someone like Grush, you know,
he'll specifically talk about these
programs, craft bodies, but then he'll
say,
>> you know, spacecraft, but that's not the
correct parlance. And he'll and he'll
talk about interdimensional stuff in
interviews as well. And it's like, how
does all this fit together? like how do
the the bodies and the craft and the
what you know it's just it's all these
this constellation of super fascinating
things that you could guess how they
might connect but you're just not sure.
Yeah. And also um they're doing that
probably to not say the thing cuz then
we all think it's the thing, right? So
they're trying to be purposely nebulous
like like you know they'll say things
like oh it's nonhuman biologics and like
or like okay so like plant spit like
what are we talking about like like no
no it's non-human intelligence like
dolphins and cats or like like there's
no term that like correctly vaguely
describes everything and it's it's funny
hearing like grush specifically like go
like they're bipedal plasmoids and
you're like
so we got to call Ghostbusters, I guess,
now, you know, these these things all
sound very strange, you know, but uh
yeah, there we can't put a we can't put
a thing on it until we know what it is
cuz then or else everybody thinks it's,
you know, Martians or Venians or
whatever it is or people in the sun. Um,
which I suspect.
>> All right. Here, Bob, do you mind if I
join you?
>> Oh, go right ahead.
>> All right.
[snorts] Um,
okay. The number one question, do you
think everything is related? I.e. UFOs,
paranormal, ancient civilization. This
is by Agent Angel. Bob, I'll start with
you. Do you think it's all related?
[laughter]
>> Very generalized question.
>> Yeah. Uh, very possibly. Very possibly.
>> Yep. I think we're all in agreement.
We're all in agreement. Very possibly.
Very possibly. Okay.
Um,
>> okay.
>> I feel like I felt like Michael had
something more.
>> Well, I got a I got a better one for
Michael here. Anyway, these are all
Michael questions, by the way. Agent Mr.
Ken asks, "Is physical reality a
manifestation of consciousness?"
>> I mean, do you want the short answer or
the long answer? I mean, I
>> I'm a big fan of idealist philosophy,
which posits that consciousness is like
the ground level of being. Of course,
for anybody who's ever heard me talk for
more than 2 minutes, there's a good
chance that's what I was talking about.
Um, so I'm I mean, I'm a fan of that
theory. Yes.
>> Yeah. Okay. [laughter]
Um, okay. I I I like this question. Do
the visitors listen to human music?
Whoa. And why wouldn't they,
Luigi?
>> They have to. We've created it. If
they're here, they pretty much
>> they're bopping,
>> you know? They know the music.
>> Maybe that's why they're here. Who
knows?
>> Maybe that's why they're here.
>> Maybe maybe they're making the music.
>> Actually, you know, artists, the muse,
the don, the demiurge, right?
>> Kanye's pretty weird. I mean, he could
be an alien.
>> That's true.
>> Yeah.
>> They're at least familiar with it. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. They would have to be. I wonder
what they think. They're like, "Ah,
that's so Maybe they're like, "Ew." I
don't know.
>> Um,
>> we can talk about the that next
questions.
>> Yeah, go ahead.
>> Is the Sasquatch real slash coming to
get me up there?
>> Yeah, the Sasquatch is interesting cuz
we are in Sasquatch country.
>> Yeah.
>> And uh, are you guys all fans of the
Squatch?
[cheering]
Um,
I I have no idea. Uh, I'm going to leave
it up. I think you've got some good
takes on on this stuff, honestly.
>> Well, I first of all, I live near
Whiteall, New York, which is we got the
Bigfoot over where we are. Uh, you guys
call them SC Sasquatch. Um, but I've
traveled a lot to Nepal and done some
mountain climbs, and they have, of
course, the Yeti. Um, one of our
investigative reports at the beginning,
uh, was since I traveled there, I was
gonna, and I did, we just haven't kind
of put it together, but I filmed kind of
a, as much as I could, a deep dive into
Yeti lore uh, over there um, in Nepal,
which was really interesting, especially
in the Sherpa community, the the locals
who live near Mount Everest, they it's
funny, I would bring it up. I was asking
everybody, "Have you ever seen a yeti?
Have you ever seen footprints?" blah
blah blah. And they would say, they'd
laugh, "Don't be silly." But then they'd
stop laughing and be like, they'd tell
me a story where they knew somebody who
had seen footprints or had an experience
or their father had told them stories.
And so there was this kind of um
pervasive lore that existed within the
community that had been around for
centuries and they I think deep down
truly believed that this being existed.
Was there real proof? I never really got
to the bottom of it, but it seemed like
they all had this story of something out
in the wild that they had encountered
and they didn't know what it was. And I
feel like that's also kind of similar
what I got out of people in the area
where I live when I ask about people who
are kind of wellversed in the Bigfoot
lore. I don't know what it's like out
here with Sasquatch, but I think there's
kind of like this unknown that people
like to have to des to kind of cap
encapsulate the things that they can't
fully describe. And I think Bigfoot is
one of those things. Yeti, Sasquatch,
whatever you call it. So, do I think
it's real? I think yes. in some sense. I
don't know if the the actual being that
we
the the crypted that we're talking about
is is actually out there. I could be
wrong. I don't know. But this is just my
feeling that it's more of a concept that
we
>> like an archetype like yeah like a
subconscious archetype of something,
some type of projection that we're
putting onto the unknown. Um round of
applause. Who here believes that they
have seen the Sasquatch? Yeah.
>> All right. That's not applause.
One more time. Round of applause. Uh,
who's seen a Sasquatch?
>> That's not nobody. That's kind of very
interesting.
>> Has anybody seen There's a guy on
Instagram who claims that he has like a
Sasquatch corpse.
>> Oh god. Yeah.
>> And obviously everybody was like calling
on it and he's like, "I will
saw through it,
>> show you the crosssection." And then he
did. And he's like got a picture of
himself with this crosssection of a
giant Sasquatch head.
>> Aren't they getting Aren't the pieces
getting bigger?
>> Weird. Or is it just me? Like they're
huge.
>> Oh yeah. The head he has is gigantic.
Yeah. It's like got to be It's like at
least the size of his torso or like from
here to it's Yeah, it's big.
>> I appreciate the hustle, you know?
>> Yeah.
>> It's tough to make a living on social
media, dude. You got to like get out
there and decapitate a Sasquatch. It's a
lot of work. I I think for a lot of
people like this the crypted
conversation is a very slippery one and
it's like an area they don't want to go
and for I'm kind of one of those people
that's much more skeptical of that but
you hear stories about like
>> skinwalker when
it's like you know John Ke like was also
very reluctant to believe it as well but
he would always talk about these things
happening in concert with one another
like again these window areas these
times where it would just be a huge
uptick and all kinds of weird sightings
of like of creatures of of
>> crap. Wolf men or like Yeah.
>> Yeah. I mean, all the skinwalker ranch
stuff. It's Yeah, there's a lot.
>> Sorry. Go ahead.
>> I was just going to throw it over to
Bob. I'm curious to know what you think
about cryptids. Like what's is that ever
crossed your mind or are you like I'll
believe it when I see it? Like what's
your what's your take?
>> Kind of on I'll believe it when I see it
type thing. Yeah.
>> Yeah. And you don't believe any those
old the old video, you know, where he's
like everybody knows I'm doing this, you
know, like you know this video.
>> I mean, I just haven't seen enough
evidence. I mean, but you know, if
you're talking more along the lines of
skinwalker,
um,
>> do you know that I'm a little more I I
lean a little more that way really?
>> That's Yeah, that Yeah, I've known that.
Not my my personal experience, but I I
have a lot of faith in George Knap,
who's researched that for a long time.
And uh you I knew Bob Bigalow who owned
the Skinwalker Ranch. And look, the
reason he sold it was because he's, you
know, petrified of what's there. And you
know, they've had other physicists and,
you know, that research the place and
have entities have followed him back
home. And um you know even even George
was concerned about the thing but uh
it's just because I you know trust the
opinions of these people and um I don't
think I'll be going there.
>> That was my next question.
>> You wouldn't stay overnight?
>> No, no, no. There's no reason to do
that. [laughter]
>> You've heard about the hitchhiker effect
and like all that stuff.
>> Not liking that at all.
>> I don't know. I'd go I'd go.
>> That'd be a good That'd be a good
audience question. like what is it worth
the the risk to to potentially see
something?
>> Oh yeah. I mean I'll I I I've talked to
Brandon Fugal like I've texted him. Um
and like I'm ready. I'd go. I I mean why
not? Um
[applause]
nice knowing you though. But uh
bring some bring some stuff home. Um
yeah, who knows? Who knows what that
stuff is if it's real. I also had Ben
Woodruff. He was a biologist on
Skinwalker Ranch who they had hired. He
has a great interview and Ben's a lovely
person and he's also like a falccer and
he's like uh he just he loves studying
sort of uh paleontology and you know all
this all this stuff. But uh he's found
tons of anomalous things regarding uh
the biological side of things like the
plants that are affected, the animals
that are affected. Like for instance,
the mammals that are like bigger than a
mouse when they find them or any animal
for that matter, they don't decay
at all. They stay limp. They don't even
go hard. There's no rigamortis. Um, they
had a they had a rabbit, I believe, that
was there for three months or a skunk.
Three months, no decay. It literally did
not decay. And they were studying it.
There was still fresh blood in it. After
3 months, this is unheard of. Completely
impossible. And the second they took it
off the ranch, it started decomposing.
And so then they're like, is there
something there? What if we bring in a
dead animal? Will it like and how does
it affect human life? Like there's all
these questions cuz the cows as well,
they die and nothing eats them. Like
nothing, no ant, nothing goes near them.
They're like we're not, you know, like a
lot of mutilation stuff. So yeah, very
strange stuff. Maybe I maybe I won't go.
I don't know. Um
uh but that's really all we have time
for unfortunately tonight folks. We've
gone over our time. Um,
[cheering and applause]
thank you.
[applause]
Um,
I want to I want to start by uh thanking
my co-hosts. Um, thank you so much,
Nelson. Pleasure being here. Thank you
all. [applause]
>> Go check out Nelson's work. He has a
YouTube channel as well where he teaches
memory techniques. He also has a book
called Remember It, which uh literally
will help you remember things. And then
he's got another one called Everyday
Genius that just came out. It's a great
book as well. So, thank you, Nelson. Uh
my friend over here, my good compatriate
and fellow cohort in the, you know,
phenomenon realm, Michael Phillip from
Third Eye Drops. Thank you so much.
[applause]
So nice to have you explaining all the
things that I don't understand. It's
really and Nelson just remembering it.
It's awesome. Um uh thank you Luigi
Vendatelli for everything you've done.
Yeah.
Thank you. [applause]
Thank everybody.
And uh thank you to the man of the hour,
Mr. Bob Lazar.
[cheering]
[applause]
You know,
I I do want to say, Bob, um, you know,
I've thanked you before for everything
you've done, but this what we've created
here is very special. This is very cool.
And I I I, you know, I do not say this
lightly. I don't think I would be here
if it wasn't for you. Like on this
stage, I wouldn't be here. And I don't
think we would have this if it wasn't
for you. Like we're looking at the
sports model back here. Like
>> you are a massive massive part of
[applause] this. And so if nothing else,
if we don't get answers, if we don't get
government disclosure, if we don't get
any of that, we got each other. We got
this community. And that for me is more
than enough. So thank you so much for
allowing us to uh to be here today. Oh,
you're welcome. [applause and cheering]
Thank you. And thank you to you guys in
Portland. You guys have been absolutely
amazing. Best [applause] crowd. so far.
We love you so much.
Have an awesome and amazing night and a
safe trip home. Good night,
[applause and cheering] guys.
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