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Hey guys, welcome to the after chat, the
the live stream after the live stream
where we talk about some of the most
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radio. You got a PTT to get onto the
Discord repeater. Okay. So, we got a bit
of a a story that's a that's a brewin.
I've had a couple people reach out about
this actually. So, what's what's going
on? Well, let me let me get my my pages
up here so we can start the whole thing
correctly for you. But, all right. So,
there was a story on the ICQ podcast.
They've been podcasting for a long time
before and uh and after I took my
breakout here, but August 22nd, so so
not that not that long ago, 85% of
French parks were removed from Parks on
the Air and a volunteer resigns on it.
So, what's the story? Well, Parks on the
Air, which I hope everybody understands
the legacy of Parks on the Air in the
United States, it came out of the
National Parks on the Air program that
the ARRL put in place. They, you know,
every once in a while the ARRL will do
like a a year-long event and National
Parks on the Air was the event they did
a couple, you know, what is it? Geez,
was it 2020, 2021? It was like COVID
time, wasn't it? Somebody will tell me
in the chat. Um, but
when they got done with that year, they
just like, we're done. And there was a
huge amount of people that were
following it, were absolutely in love
with it, wanted it to continue, wanted
it to grow. And Parks on the Air, which
is a separate entity with with
leadership and and websites and
infrastructure and all that stuff,
stepped up and created Parks on the Air.
Parks on the Air incorporates United
States state parks and national parks.
In the United States, we have a very
robust system for what is and isn't a
park and who administers it. So, at the
government, federal government level,
state government level, etc., etc. We
call state parks parks that are managed
by the state. We call national parks
parks that are managed by the federal
government. It's pretty straightforward.
And there's an actual very detailed
database and information that exists
online and you can just query it and
Bob's your uncle. You've got all the
information. Am I making it? You guys
hear me? Okay.
Am I actually making it to the live
stream? Why is there no chat? It's It's
dead silent out there. It's dead silent.
What's going on? So quiet. One one chat.
Ah, yes. Okay, good.
So
other countries have been involved in
parks on the air for some time and they
use volunteers because it's all
volunteers to be able to run it and to
add parks for their country into the
parks on the air database because it's
not United State Parks on the air, it's
parks on the air. Well, there are some
difficulties in aligning some countries
parks to the rule set for the United
States parks on the air. the way that
the parks on the air program, which is
based in the United States, built their
structure, they have very specific rules
on what constitutes a park that can be
added to the database or not. And one of
the prevailing reasons that they have
the rules that they have is so that
there isn't just parks that are next to
each other and stacked up on top of each
other and there's just an unlimited
supply of parks. That's not a good
thing. But we also don't want them too
far apart that it becomes very
difficult. Believe it or not, there are
some states that you can go to in the US
that that don't have that many parks.
It's actually kind of difficult to be
active on Parks on the Air because
there's just not not that many to go to.
Well, France
France has something called these I
don't know if it's actually an acronym,
ZN
FF, ecological zones. And they were
using that as the baseline to build the
park structure that would go into the
parks on the air. database. Well, the
Parks on the Air program didn't believe
that it met their delineations on what a
park was. And so, they've removed 85% of
them. And you can see there it's uh
broken down a little bit, which is an
interesting story because I think it it
it opens the question, well, it opens
the door for a a larger discussion,
which I'll talk about here in a second.
So, eligibility mismatch. The French
team had built a reference using Zenith
areas, a French ecological zoning
designation that offers often includes
private property or land without
guaranteed public access, which that's a
problem. We shouldn't be adding those.
And the fact that they can't check
easily makes it difficult, which put
them at odds with the POTA usual
qualifying standards. Agreed. Global
standards, no exceptions. So, this is
the other thing. POTA's board position
was that references failing to meet the
program standard criteria for public
park infrastructure wouldn't be
grandfathered in indefinitely. So, they
had a bit of a a grace period, but
because they couldn't meet the Parks on
the Air program's delineations, they
eventually got removed. And apparently,
there was a communication breakdown.
Volunteers say they heard little from
the central organization before the
references were pulled and mass, which
did nothing to soften the blow. And you
can watch this video. Um links are in
the video description for this. It's
kind of a story that touches a nerve in
France. Anyone who's put into um
building out an infrastructure and so
on. So this video got posted. I haven't
actually watched this video because
frankly uh I I think that using an
ecological area that may or may not be
handled by the government or
administered by the government is rife
with problems and they discovered that
right there's some private party stuff
or private property stuff which could be
problematic. So, Parks on the Air
responded and this came through the Q5
magazine, Mr. Thomas W1DED, who I've got
to meet a couple of times in person. So,
he uh basically
published the response from the board.
Um and the two issues is that intertwin
between public property or public
discussion the value of work done by the
French parks on the air which by the way
all these people are volunteers for all
these countries and the way they manage
parks and all that stuff. So these are
volunteers it this isn't a prof a
for-profit entity. So these are people
that are putting in a lot of time to
just to be able to like add a park to a
database and sure they they're they're
into it but still right keep that in
mind.
However, um the separate question on
whether every reference currently in the
database meets the parks on the air
established eligibility criteria and so
the board focused on the later and here
is the breakdown of what the board the
parks on the air board replied. The
board current determination is the ZN
zenith designation itself does not
satisfy the requirements for inclusion
in parks on the air. That does not mean
that every location associated with the
Zenith is necessarily ineligible. A site
may qualify through another designation
or managing authority that independently
meets parks on the air criteria. The
issue is whether the ZIF designation
itself constitutes a qualifying park
entry under the parks program. Right?
Okay. Makes sense. The distinction is
important because ZF is primarily an
ecological inventory and identification
system. the board concern is not whether
these are okay repeating a little bit
but here's where we start to get into a
bit of a international problem and why
I'm making this video and we can talk
about it we're going to hop on the
Discord take your questions live so
please hold on that
how does the parks on the air apply the
two levels of government requirement in
France so this is a very important rule
that is kind of the core the crux of the
main program here. Parks on the Air does
not expect every country to mirror the
governmental structure of the United
States, nor do we believe American
terminology should simply be imposed on
another country's legal system. So, I
hear the statement, but let's continue.
The intent of the rule is to establish
that a qualifying entity has meaningful
governmental basis and is not simply a
local identified area, private
designation, database entry, or
descriptive ecological boundary. Okay.
In evaluating French French references,
the board is looking at the actual legal
and administrative authority behind the
designation, not simply whether multiple
government bodies participate in
collecting, reviewing, publishing, or
administering information about it. The
board has determined that on its own it
does not. So here's the problem is the
two levels of government example. There
are parks in major
big international big in in
international countries that don't have
two levels of government that are
running the park. But it's a huge city
with many parks. They don't have that
layered infrastructure that the United
States has. And I can't I can't ex
explain more than that. Although I have
examples apparently these examples have
been brought up to the board um by some
folks who wanted to remain nameless and
that has not been fruitful in leading to
some kind of a result here. And so what
did we say right national park state
park? Well, some cities are state level
controllers of parks large enough to be
a state, if you will, within another
country or within the United States.
Yet, they don't have statethood level
control or that state level two twolevel
government process. So their parks are
not eligible for entry into parks on the
air as the example is given um with the
French removing uh these Zenf locations.
Now I appreciate that the a lot of these
Zenf locations sounds like they're
private land and um that's a problem,
but if they don't have any other way to
get a park on the air, I'm not sure what
the solution is here. And so the
international problem is this two levels
of government does not apply to all
countries. And if it doesn't apply to
all countries, how will they go through
the process of actually adding parks?
And that's what I don't know. And so
that's why I'm bringing it up to the
community. But
Canadian parks, Canadian hams, uh is a
system that has come about
because they they didn't really want to
deal with uh the issues that were being
faced by interfacing with American Parks
on the Air. They actually made a
response, which I'm going to briefly
read here. Parks on the Air released its
updated park eligibility guidelines on
September 4, 2026 to over 200 global
mapping representatives. Among the
changes, POTA says it will generally
recognize the two highest qualifying
governmental tiers appropriate to each
country or entity. In exceptional cases,
a third government tier may be
considered. The new guidelines also
reinforce requirements around
governmental ownership and operation of
public lands, identifiable boundaries,
and authoritative documentation.
POTA also makes an important point very
clearly. Its objective is not to include
every park, green space, protected area,
or recreational property. We respect
that decision. Every amateur program
needs a defined purpose and a set of
standards that can administer
consistently. But it also highlights
exactly why can parks chose a different
path. Can parks was created specifically
for Canada and our philosophy has always
been that the recreational value of a
park should matter more than the
governmental tier that owns or operates
it. A national park is a park. A
provincial park is a park, but so is a
municipal park, a community park,
recreational location that is all open
to or I skipped that public trail,
recreation area, picnic area, or public
beach when it is a genuine recreational
area that is open to the public. We
don't believe a park becomes less
meaningful simply because it is managed
locally. In fact, many of the parks
Canadians use most often are smaller
places close to home. The community
trail, a park beside the river, a local
conservation area, or a little
recreation site where families spend a
Saturday afternoon. Those are exactly
the kinds of places can parks wants
amateur radio operators to get out and
enjoy. Different programs can have
different purposes, and that's a good
thing. More choices mean more
opportunities to take radio outside. So
that was their that was their comment.
Um so by and large uh the the the where
POTA finds itself, United States Parks
on the Air is a a relatively good system
for the American parks, right? National
parks, state parks, top two level. But
when then you get to city parks pretty
much out, right? So I have to drive a
pretty consistent distance to get to the
closest park for me. I've actually got
to go to the beach. That's the closest
one. And it's not a it's not efficient.
It's it's more efficient than doing a
summits on the air because my closest
summit is is is further away. Um but
that's clear. Those are exactly there.
I've got a database reference that I can
go look up and we're good to go. In
other countries, particularly European
countries, there isn't like a federal
and state. It goes federal and then like
city. And that's that doesn't work. That
doesn't work in the in the hierarchy. At
least from what I'm being told. I'm not
international. I'm being told this from
international hams. So there you go. An
interesting point though before I go to
the discord is if we go back to how I
started this parks on the air today was
inherited from national parks on the air
from the ARRL. And obviously we're all
in a hobby that the FCC in the United
States has created and there are other
FCC like entities in other countries.
And one of the primary things that is in
all of our licenses is building a
brotherhship or brothership brotherhood
sisterhood a fraternity of ham radio
operators and performing good
international will. And if we get
into arguments to the to the point that
people are resigning from volunteer
positions because they're not being
heard um or no one wants to work with
them constructively to find a solution.
I would argue that that is not building
good international will and is not what
amateur radio stands for. That's not me
making an accusation. That's me
reminding everybody what this hobby is
about. And Parks on Ear is definitely an
international entity and I think it's it
behooves us all if we work together and
figure out a way to to solve this
properly. So there you go. Huzzah. How'd
I do? Let's find out in the Discord. I'm
going to join the Discord. I hope you
join too. And uh we'll say hello to
everybody in the chatty chat in one
second. Maybe
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Wireless Energy.
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if if you turned that on, there would be
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>> Oh my gosh. Okay, welcome to the con the
ham radioourse conspiracy corner.
>> Welcome everybody. Glad you glad you
joined us uh for today. Appreciate you.
Uh so we are live right now and it
sounds like you guys were already having
a lively discussion. I'm sorry to to
step on it a little bit. lively
discussions.
>> The one thing I can tell you is Tesla
was a man who truly loved his pigeons.
And if you know about the end of his
life, you know he spent a lot of time
hanging out with pigeons. There you go.
>> All right. But that's not why you're
here. Okay. So, um, we talked a little
bit about Parks on the Air's
international parks problem. At least I
set the stage. Has anybody been
following the story in that?
>> Yes.
>> What are your thoughts? anyone.
>> I I think there are examples that are
absolutely ridiculous like some of the
uh the parks in France in particular
where every corner of Paris is a park.
>> Yes,
>> I think there's an argument to be made
on both sides. It's there's
technicalities, there's details, and
then there's what's reasonable. Um, you
know, I think somewhere in the middle I
think there's parks that should be
removed that are ridiculous that
shouldn't be there and
others who are, you know, taking it too
seriously and it should just be a fun
program. I don't know.
>> Uh, yeah. So, there there is a lot of
rules uh particularly when it comes to
the US, the way they lay out parks,
right? So you have state parks and and
national parks and th those don't line
up with and I'm I'm not just using
France as the example. Other countries,
a lot of European countries, they don't
qualify or don't meet some of the rules
for the way they manage their parks.
Like a city can be big enough that it's
like city and then federal government.
There's no like state in between. Some
of these cities are big enough that they
don't have that second level. And so
that's an interesting um factoid that is
I think leading some of these
discussions.
Anybody else tracking the story?
So for those it sounds like uh this
might be news to a lot of folks. So
we'll make this one short.
There were 85% of the parks at the uh
French parks on the air program that
just disappeared like recently.
Does that make them rare?
>> Oh, yeah. Now, French part a French
activator is very rare. Or if you've got
a a contact from a pre-ban park, that's
a that's a rare park. You got a you got
a discontinued Pokemon.
>> Was that Steve? Go ahead.
>> No, that was Mark. I was making a joke
about the French army.
>> I didn't I didn't hear you. Somebody
said something over the top of you.
>> It missed. Oh, sorry.
>> That That was me. My apologies, Josh. Um
>> Yeah,
>> Matt. Uh the there's a few parallel
programs that have popped up in Europe
out of the whole disagreement, aren't
there?
>> Yes. Uh so I mentioned one of them is
Can Park. So let me go back. Uh Canadian
Parks. can parks and another one is just
park protected area radio community. So
I don't know anything about this uh but
I think I dropped the link in in the
video.
>> So So since we've got worldwide flora
and fauna and we got pod, do we need any
more?
So that's that's an interesting
curiosity because on one hand
parks on the air attained popularity
because it wasn't worldwide flora and
fauna. Worldwide flora and fauna has
believe it or not even more rules than
parks on the air. Years ago I did a deep
dive on what separates the two on on
just the rules just looking at the
rules. And I'm not going to say they're
like ownorous rules. It's just different
enough that it wasn't as convenient as
Parks on the Air made it. Also, the uh
the infrastructure of Parks on the Air.
Yeah, you got it. You got it.
>> The logging is just ridiculous.
>> Yeah.
Um Yeah. I and Sean, that's a that's I
think really what should be the takeaway
here is that you got all these odas now
and people are going out and touching
grass and we're bucking the trend of uh
the fat ham in the basement just
chilling. Uh I think Ozmpic had a little
bit to do with that too. But um I I I
think
>> I resemble that remark.
>> I think it's good though. Like I think
it's it's a fantastic thing and it goes
back to what what's the old joke? If
there's three hams in a city, there'll
be two ham clubs. It's the joke that
like we don't do great together. I think
somebody in the chat said, "Boy, this
this on the spectrum are very autistic.
This this community didn't even know
about like the the beef and all that
stuff." I I think it's like there is a
lot of beef that comes down to just like
sometimes we just don't do well socially
when talking to each other.
The the problem is when you get all
these these spin-offs and spin-offs and
spin-offs and arguments, it just draws
me away from it. So, I just stopped
doing it.
>> Uh,
>> and what hurt it? Like,
>> what what was the harm of having and and
I don't know either way, but what was
the harm of having that many parks in
France?
>> It was egregious. Like, they were they
were 400 times the the the the country
that was next to them. That's how many
more parks they had.
>> What? So what harm was that? Because
like the for the you if you want to like
work all entities in France. Well, now
it just became really difficult. But
that's just a bigger challenge maybe. I
don't know what I don't know who was
hurt by this.
>> So that's a really good point except
that there are uh you know there's
rankings. People get ranked based off of
how many parks they've activated, how
many contacts they've made in a year.
There's awards, plaques, all that stuff.
And so it's a bit it's a bit like
stacking the deck. Well, yeah, but you
still hand out you still hand out a
plaque.
>> You still hand out a ward,
>> but who cares? You just go to do a park.
>> People care.
>> I mean, I go
work the parks on the air because
they're in a park and it's, "Oh, yeah,
you're in a park. Where are you? Oh,
yeah. Oh, yeah. Go to that place. Cool."
You know,
>> I mean, I'm down. I I like what you're
saying, but but hear me out. Before all
the ODAS, park activations were
incredibly rare and people didn't give
two shits if you were in a park. They
were just like, I don't care. Did I make
a what? Am I 59? That's it. Good.
>> I think it changed the hobby. I mean, if
you look at, you know, um just even the
market of ham radios, right? the 705,
the FTX1, all of those radios were
generated because the market shifted
because people started working more
portable.
>> On the other hand, if you look at things
like the NorCal QRP club, people have
been doing parks and mountain topping
way before any of the ODA programs came
out, right? The people were doing
outdoor operations for a long time.
>> Agreed. Yeah. And people were
manpacking, right? We we had hikers that
were out with, you know, 817s chest
rigged up, manpacked, portable. Like
that was a thing. That wasn't an ODA. It
was like a manp pack portable
>> 320s.
>> And I mean, not only that, but oops.
When you think about it, people almost
have to go portable nowadays, right?
because our homes are all filled with so
much RFI that uh for a lot of people if
you live in the city it's almost
impossible to be able to work from a
home shack just because the noise floor
is constantly like S7 if it's you know
even on a good day. So, you know, I
think that's also, you know, part of the
reason why parks on the air, other
portable operations have become so
popular, plus the fact that radios have
become so much smaller, right? Like,
we're not all using boat anchors and
with tubes and amps
>> and and France isn't alone in their
issues that they've had. I mean, in the
United States, stateto state, how parks
are handled are differently. Like my
father and I when we went on a rove, we
noticed in Iowa, most the way the budget
is handled is they drive all the park
funding down to the county level. And so
you have a billion county parks, not a
lot of state parks.
>> So the rule kind of changes. And I'll
give you a perfect
>> Yeah. And I'll give you a perfect
anecdote as well. We had a park here in
St. Charles, Missouri that is a state
conservation area. You pull in that's
actually got a boat ramp to go onto the
onto the Missouri River, right? It's
like 20 15 20 acres and it boo it became
a park and then after a month they took
it off because somebody noticed that the
county mowed the lawn for the front
parking lot area and they were like oh
nope this is countym maintained and so
they took it off the list.
>> Yeah.
>> So France isn't alone.
>> They they aren't. And I think there is a
bit of heavyhandedness
as probably by the board.
we have we have less problems in the US.
Although again as as Roly you mentioned
there are some states that has has a
much harder time than like I do in
Southern California. Um but then you
imagine other countries international
countries that have like no state parks.
They have no like one federal park and
everything's pushed to the county
whatever they call a county, right? So
how how do you negotiate that?
Yeah, I I think that specific
negotiation is something that's simply
different everywhere and I don't think
there's going to be any one universal
solution. So like in the San Francisco
Bay area, we have a wonderful thing
called the East Bay Parks District and
honestly it's like consumed a lot of
things that I would think would be state
parks and as a result I sort of have to
drive what I consider to be a
frustrating amount of time to get to my
nearest local state park. Um, you know,
I I I I I hope someday the definition
just gets changed and it becomes a
little bit more about the property of
the parks, but like honestly I just I
don't care about the topic. Like I'm
just cool with it.
>> If we can step back Oh, go ahead.
>> Yeah.
>> Oh, sorry, Aaron. Go ahead. Well, there
was a thought that, you know, I've been
mulling this over for over a year now
and I like the way Soda does the scoring
system and it seems like if and I don't
know they have the correct answer for
this, but if you had a scoring system,
so France wants to have a thousand
parks, that's fine. They just have 995
onepoint parks and then that might fix.
That's why I asked the question before
of who's harmed by this. But if you make
it to where it's all that those are only
onep pointers, that's fine. Who cares?
It's a onep pointer. I got a thousand
onep pointers.
>> So there was
>> the harder part.
>> Oh, sorry.
>> Go ahead.
>> Uh, sorry. Well, there's another com.
I'll go to the next comment and I'll
I'll I'll go ahead.
>> So, so Josh, I I have the kind of just
expanding upon RA's thing there is here
in Washington, we have a lot of sparse
parks. There's just one every like 45
minutes kind of sort of thing. It's it's
very sparse.
um if they removed say a lot of these
wildlife areas that are
countymaintained, we would lose even
more to the point where we would we
would our parks would be so far apart it
wouldn't be worth it because it's what
and also my second point is this is just
for fun, right? We're not scoring
anything. Yes, the there's people that
are have this many contacts in this many
parks, but it's like why why this is for
fun though? Why why can't we open it up
to more? Because here in Washington, it
would be nice for to have a lot more
parks,
you know.
>> Yeah. And I'm I'm playing devil's
advocate. We score parks on the air.
They hand out plaques to the to the
people who've done the most parks on the
air ring, right? That happens. That's a
real thing.
>> That's fair,
>> right? So, it it that will affect some
people. Some people are affected by that
because they fairness is important.
particularly as mentioned earlier a lot
of autistic people we care about we care
about fairness. So really quick just to
stamp on this one because I think people
uh are focusing too much on the f the
French aspect. Yes. The way they were
ranking parks for inclusion into parks
on the air. The title of Zeff Zif or
whatever it was um included
privatelyowned parks. So yes, no
question those should be removed. Same
con comment here. Private property
should be removed. No question. Not what
I'm saying. What I'm pointing at is this
example that France is being pointed out
in getting their parks removed 85%.
Is the same thing that happens to other
countries. Other countries have the same
problem that France does. And it's been
again people who shall remain nameless
have gotten in my DMs saying that
they've had issues. they're volunteers
within their country's parks on the air
and they have issues getting parks added
and it's very hard for them because they
can't meet the the the POTA standard and
so the question is is the POTA standard
too rigid when you consider an
international country maybe there's some
discussion there I'm not proposing it
I'm saying this is happening
is anyone going to do anything about
I mean obviously a single standard
does not work for all countries.
>> Correct.
>> You know and it never
>> nonsense. We need a standard
>> which which
>> we're going to apply the American
standard to you and Australia whether
you like it or not.
>> Amen. Uh which is what I was getting at
with my original comment. It's a
reasonable discussion to have, but at
the end of the day, it's also a program
that has brought a very significant
number of new amateurs into the hobby,
and that should be the most important
part.
>> I agree. Yeah.
>> 14. Ridiculous. We need to develop one
universal standard that covers
everyone's use cases.
>> There are now how many competing
standards? 15
>> situation. There are 15 competing
standards. Yeah,
>> exactly.
>> You could go on a whole rant with just
with digital protocols that Yeah.
>> Uh
>> like so like soda here
>> there's basically only two summits you
can do
>> because the rest of the summits are in
private property
and um we've got it we got a ton of
summits but they're not significant
enough
>> to be a soda
>> and they're out in the middle of nowhere
as I
>> and they're in the middle of nowhere. I
looked that up and I was like, "Oh,
>> that's quite out in the in the way in
the in the outback as they say."
>> So if you do that if you do that the pod
here, it's like well it's no one's going
to do it.
>> Aren't there some sites that are on
private land?
Uh,
>> it's allowed if it's like public access
or wait, do we have Mark? Mark can
answer that
>> more authoritatively. Mark,
>> maybe.
>> Yeah, I'm on here. Um, yeah, soda can be
on private land. There's no rules
against that. But to activate it, you
have to activate it legally. So, if it's
on private land, you have to get
permission from the land owner in order
to activate,
>> which is normally which is normally a
six-pack of beer or a bottle of wine.
No, there's
I just like it. That's just a efficient
way of getting things done.
>> There's one in Texas that's owned by a
private company and they won't let
anybody on it. But and and I was just
like, well, okay, then why is it a soda
site? But anyway, that it still makes
sense.
>> Yeah. So, there there's
>> mountain.
>> Yeah. So, that's my my stick poking. I'm
not I'm not saying anyone is right or
anyone's wrong. I will say that we
should all as ham radio operators do a
better time of working together. I think
that if the communication breakdown is
as bad as kind of being inferred, we
need to we need to do better with that.
We need to, you know, increase that
international goodwill as part of our
ham radio licenses
>> and not not take it so damn seriously
that we stop making it fun for the
people it's attracted into the hobby.
>> That's right. That's why that's why we
asked Australia to stop doing the 2
by4s.
>> Yeah. Uh okay. So, uh we have it looks
like a a good chunk of people in here.
Thank you for indulging me in the uh the
opening here for a fun news story that
came across my my virtual desk. But we
answer questions here and usually we go
straight straight to the viewers and the
listeners and the Discord users and all
that fun stuff. But uh yeah, like I had
my new story in the beginnings, but here
we go. If you are new here, Discord, I'm
looking at you first. If you are new
here for the first time and would like
to say hi or ask a question, we give
newcomers priority in all things
question related or giving of highs. So
is there anybody here for the first time
like to say hi or ask a question? Come
now.
>> Question.
>> Question from Fletch. Go ahead.
>> Yes, sir. Uh I uh so yeah, longtime
watch watcher, first time uh caller.
>> Appreciate it.
>> I'll use it again. But uh yeah. Um and
basically um my question is got a uh GMC
truck and trying to get up a dig
repeater. And the two rigs that I have
in my truck are an FTX1 that's mounted
on a Leo mount that goes back to the
Optima base. Um and then also a 510 with
the Rasp. And I like using the 510 with
the voice quality with it. But, uh, as
I'm running APRS and I want to sync it
to my phone, I have a, uh, Mobile Link
TNC and working out the wiring there.
But I'm wondering which radio would you
recommend to use to run that? Uh, I also
have Starlink on the truck and I'm
getting a Raspberry Pi.
>> And you are trying to do what's the
overarching goal again before we get to
radios? Your APRS?
>> Yeah. um a mobile digi repeater and
maybe doing some i gate stuff if uh
it'll allow to the through the starlink
and such but
>> why do you need so I understand why do
you need a mobile digipeter
>> it's more it's want there's there's no
need
>> yeah I mean but uh I just so we live out
in the country and when I go to
somewhere it's uh having the ability to
digipe with my friend or to you know use
APRS with my friends uh we have a there
are spaces where we don't have a
repeater
Can you do all of this on a Raspberry
Pi?
>> I don't know.
>> Yes, you can.
>> You can. And so that's where I'm going
is that like you could you could run the
all the digiping
audio in out ptting the radio all that
stuff via Raspberry Pi running something
like direwolf and then you can have
connection to the internet via your
starlink.
So you would need to actually there's
probably KM4 ACK's probably got a couple
of videos on it using his 73 Linux too I
bet.
Does anybody know that for sure?
>> Thank I'll check that out. Thank you.
But I can also
>> you can also use uh DigiPie for that.
>> Digifi. Yeah, there's another option. Um
you are targeting.
So okay, now Okay, now so now let's talk
radios. Um if you go with the Raspberry
Pi option, you only need audio in and
out. So your YESU, so long as it has
audio in and out and the ability to PTT,
you should be fine.
Do you know if that has that?
>> Okay. Yeah, I could just the mic mount
on the back of the SPA1 or the Optima
base would work because I want to keep
the 510 for voice possibly.
>> If you're only going to be using it to
talk to your friends over the internet
with it, use a UV5R.
>> There you go. Okay.
>> Yeah, you could do that. assuming but
digipeding on five watts is kind of like
eh
you know what I mean you kind of want
something a little bit more robust if
you're going to be digiped
>> why do you need to dig in a mobile cuz
he wants to
>> he's also going to be
>> yeah I've diged I gated in the uh car
because there are places out here where
there simply aren't any you're out in
the middle
>> I'm in rural Kansas and There's places
where we don't have any. And the So,
we're out uh shooting today or out, you
know, out hunting it. So, got I got a
base station that everybody can bounce
off of and we can communicate better
that way.
>> Yeah. Look at Jason and his dearly. I
mean, he actually has a couple of things
that are close to him, but he's pretty
close to the middle of nowhere, but
there are places out here. Yeah. There's
like no infrastructure for miles. I know
I know someone that runs a RX only i
gate off an RTL dongle in his car.
>> Uh yeah, also somebody said Toad's DI
boards. So that gets you part of the way
there, but you're still probably going
to have to have a Raspberry Pi, right?
>> Right.
>> So that's your interfacing to like
that's close to a TNC capability.
>> Um
>> Okay.
>> Yeah.
You'd be surprised.
>> I was going to say if you're using like
the FTX1, wouldn't you just be able to
hook it up directly with just the USB
cable and just treat it like um you were
doing like kind of like the equivalent
of doing FT8, but you just would do it
on VHF.
>> Yeah, that that could work.
>> That's what I was going to say, too.
Just plug in the USB. It'll do 1200 bot
all day.
>> Yeah.
>> What? On the F on the FTX1.
>> Okay. Okay. But I have to run a USBC
cable back from the head back to the
back seat, right? Just to get that done,
which is doable. I could do that just
like what's the quickest, cleanest way.
>> We have you have to run USB cable
between the the radio and the Yeah, the
radio and the Raspberry Pi. So, you
could put the Raspberry Pi right next to
the radio.
>> Put it wherever you want.
>> If you said the the USB is on the head,
>> right? That's why it's going
>> if if the price is no option, the new
Kenwood will dig digipet.
>> Yeah. The icon ID 5200 will also TNC
digipete.
>> Yeah.
>> Kenwoods.
>> Yeah.
>> Not to be a douche, but the 750 just
arrived on my porch today. So,
>> I'll just do that. So, you're done.
>> Flip that sucker over to Digipat and use
any other radio for voice.
>> Next, you're going to tell me you bought
an ID 5200 as well. No, I I got a refund
on that. I canceled that order.
>> Okay.
>> Oh, really? Oh, I don't know. I don't
know. I'm going to put them both in the
truck and we're going to we're going to
try them out.
>> The video you put out there that
>> I got a D75 and that really turned my I
mean, Kenwood makes some nice stuff. I
enjoy it.
>> They make some nice stuff, but I'm I'm
curious what the day in day out's going
to be like operating the Kenwood versus
the 5200. I'm I'm withholding all
decisions. I'm buying them both and I'll
I'll narrow down to one
uh and and we'll go from there.
Right on. Hopefully that uh that was a a
helpful answer since you got the just
run that.
>> That's really funny.
>> Thank you.
>> Uh oh, Cyberfish is in the chat.
Cyberfish says, "I showed up once years
ago as a noob and said hi and got chewed
out by a drunk Josh. What did you say to
drunk Josh?" You have to tell us what
what video that was and I want to go
back and pull it up. You have to tell
me. You have to tell me what the
question was. I'm I'm waiting. I'm
waiting in uh I'll watch the chat. Uh is
there anyone else here in the Discord
here for the first time like to say hi
or ask a question?
>> The question.
>> Is that Callum?
>> Yeah, go for it.
>> Caleum.
>> Caleb. Oh, thank you for the correction.
Uh, I have a FTM500
in my pickup and I want to set up a like
shack in my garage. Um, my Yu is my
first rig and figured throw it in the
truck as a mobile. Um, but I want to get
it out of the truck and my shop or
garage is a is an entire metal structure
and it's a detached unit. So, I don't
know if there's a
separate ground rod for it. So, in and I
live in North Texas, so I'm just
wondering like is lightning protection
and the ground rod, you know, like a a
serious thing to to consider and look
out for for a just a VHF UHF
uh base station.
>> How often do you get lightning strikes?
I haven't had any on my property, but we
get um Rolling Thunder and Lightning
like pretty pretty often.
>> Um so do you have an external power uh
panel to your shop that you're thinking
about installing on?
>> Yeah, the 320 amp breakers on it
>> and you don't have the ground rod that's
just right outside that power breaker
into the ground. Well, it's underneath
like the sub panel is underneath like a
covered awning and um the it there's
like 2x two pavement like tiles
basically and there's a hot tub on it.
So, I can't get access to the dirt
underneath it.
>> Putting a hot tub um right next to the
the junction is a fantastic decision.
>> Such a good idea.
>> My decision You're out here asking me
about lightning protection and you got a
freaking hot tub next to a power
junction box. That's wild. Um, okay.
Okay,
that's awesome. Um, so ideally, you try
and trace the ground from that junction
box. It's not difficult to do. Don't go
licking any of the wires in the box, but
see if you can see see where the the
ground is going. Um, and and find it and
and that's what you you tap off into
that, right? So, you would have a
junction box for coax somewhere that
would go into the structure and your
antenna wire, your coax wire would come
down into the junction box. You'd have a
lightning artor and then you'd have a
ground connection that would go from the
box the back plane of the box down to
your uh your light your ground rod
basically. That's like step one, right?
That's that's step one. Oh, Steve's
about to say something. I saw
>> I saw flashing. He's he's he's vibrating
physically and articles.
>> Yeah. So, sorry. So, this is a subject
that's near and dear. Um, so first off,
if you don't have a good licensed
electrician who's familiar with the
rules and regulations of the authority
having jurisdiction, your age Jay, in
your area area, you really should have a
discussion with him. The section in the
NEC or the NFPA70 that pertains to
amateur and citizens ban transmitting
and receiving stations is article 810.
And that's worth a read. And I as my my
standard wrote answer um and only
because I'm I'm I'm not under contract
is um Ward Silver has a an amazing book
on this exact subject that I employ
everyone who is running
>> who who is running a piece of metal
outside of the house with a with a lead
that runs inside.
um that uh the grounding and bonding for
the radio amateur although it's geared
mostly for for HF is the exact same
thing uh is the exact same uh
methodology and procedures and and and
standards for for any antenna outside
the home. So, I think anytime that you
put an antenna at or above the roof
line, um, you are, you know, remember
you're responsible for the for the
health and safety of not only your home
and the people within that home, but
also, you know, the the uh, you know,
your your house and and everything
around it. So, um, I I would I would I
would exercise some caution. This is not
an ad hoc discussion. And this is
something you need every every amateur
needs to consider when they decide to
deploy an antenna outside of the home.
You know, it's it's no different than
any other
>> than any any other um um commercial or
or residential uh rule that's governed
by the National Electrical Code.
>> And what were those articles that you
mentioned earlier to to read up on?
>> Yeah. Um so you can Google it. It's
free. It's um uh NFPA article 810 part
3, which is the amateur radio and
citizens and band transmitting and
receiving stations um uh provisions.
It's it basically goes over the the
grounding bonding requirements for the
NEC.
And to the first part of your question,
um, again, as Steve said, conduct, you
know, consult a professional licensed
electrician, but the National Electric
Code, which as far as I can recall,
Texas does follow,
uh, has an article specifically dealing
with the requirements of grounding a
metal frame or potentially conductive
structure.
So there likely would be something
grounding the building as you're
describing it, but you do need to talk
to an electrician like Steve said.
>> Yeah.
>> If you don't do it properly, you can
die.
>> So
>> yeah, I don't want don't want that to
happen.
>> Yeah. And and the type of grounding that
you may do may not require may not uh
depending on on your area, your
electrician or the the person who's
familiar with grounding and bonding
techniques in your area. If you have
really really poor soil, they may you
may actually uh there are other
grounding uh techniques or earthing
techniques like Uffrer grounds and and
other types of grounds that um that
don't necessarily require driving a 9 ft
rod or 8ft rod um in into the home.
There are there are the the national
electrical code is is a binding
agreement for for every authority uh for
every municipality in the country and
every every municipality adheres to at
least one of the they call it the book
and so for instance here in Duchess
County and New York um we I believe we
are 2018 so it's not necessarily the
latest and greatest code it's whatever
it's what whichever regulation um they
adhere to and your your local
electrician would would pro would be
able to answer that for you. I would I
would stop there and have you talk to
your local electrician.
>> Oh, now instead of ground rods, can I
use ground radials?
>> No.
>> No, Connor, you cannot use ground
radials.
>> So, I I do I do want to give a shout out
to going to Home Depot and buying a demo
hammer and a and a core saw and a ground
rod driver. And you'll get that thing
you'll get 9 ft of that thing shoved
into the ground in less than 30 minutes
after cutting the the core for the
concrete. Like it's easy. It's easy.
Easy.
>> Don't Don't go to go to Home Depot.
Harbor Freight, baby.
>> Harbor Freight SDS Max.
>> Are we getting the SDS Max bid or the
SDS Plus bid?
>> But the Harbor Freight SDS Max is $80.
it. Uh you can get the ground rod
attachment for uh at Home Depot, which
is about another 30 or 40, and you will
everyone will thank you for it. Um it it
is an absolute godsend for driving an
8ft ground rod.
>> Now, I have I have one thing that I have
to point out. You must call what is it
the number before you dig?
>> 811. Call 811.
>> You have to dial before you dig. Do not
throw a demo hammer at a at a ground rod
through something vital. You don't want
to do that. Okay. You don't want to do
that.
>> And they're done that. You don't want to
do that. What What was it again? What's
the tool on Harbor Freight? Something
Max.
>> It's the SDS Max. There's There's SDS
there. The These are These are demo
hammers. Um they're rotary hammers.
>> Um yeah, it's cheap. It's 80 bucks. And
um I have a I have a $700 Hilty, but
I'll be honest with you, it's easier to
There it's easier to pull out the $80
Harbor Freight. No, not that one.
There's a There's a corded one for 80
bucks if you There.
There you go. I've had it for like five
years. It does the job great.
>> It works great. The corded one is
better. If
>> you're talking about the rotary hammer
one,
>> it's a rotary hammerax.
>> Okay, everybody. Okay, I want everybody
to know something. Okay, very important.
Uh there is a 10 to 20% off sale right
now uh at Harbor Freight. If you are
>> buy it,
>> if you are a member of their inside
whatever club, you get like 20% off. Um
so they've got they've got a bunch of
stuff right now. Where is it? Oh,
they're going to make me do the thing
anyway. I'm not logging in. But yeah, so
that that 89 you can there it is. 20%
off if you're an inside track club or
10% off for everyone else from the 4th
to the 7th right now so you can go get
your own demo hammer.
>> Connor, are you taking one of those to
Christmas Island with you?
>> No, just a big sledgehammer.
>> Oh, it's in stock, too.
>> Borrow my um my Hikokei one.
But just just so I understand, this does
not absolve you of the requirement to
bond that rod with the other rod you
have on your house, right?
>> You must do that.
>> No, NFPA70 absolutely requires that if
you installing a discharge system, it
must be bonded uh to
>> you cannot have these things have a
difference in potential. That's the
whole point.
>> It's a it's a massive massive issue if
that's allowed to
>> because you will die.
electrician.
>> I don't know if you'll die, but I think
you still Yeah, you can die. Yeah.
>> Not from
matter if it was run off the car
battery.
>> If if lightning strikes your antenna or
the ground and you're touching your
metal microphone hooked up to your
computer that's hooked up to your house
ground
>> while also touching your radio that's
hooked up to a ground not bonded to
that. There will be a potential there.
Hey, I I want to point out that even if
you follow the uh everything to the
letter, you could still die if it's a
direct lightning strike. So, let's
everybody calm down with
>> So, I um I just posted a picture of um
when I put in the perimeter ground and
there's a picture of the SDS Max on a on
a ground rod uh with the hammer with the
ladder and that's how you get up on the
ladder and just let it do the work. Um,
we have pretty rocky soil as you can see
from the from the image. And if you just
let it do the work, it will just go
ahead and go right through. So I
>> the Milwaukee attachment, Steve, it
doesn't require a ladder. It it grabs
onto it from anywhere.
>> No, no, no. You you you still have to be
able to guide the rod and hold on to the
hold on the hammer. Yes. Okay. Anyways,
the Milwaukee attachment will grab it
from a foot up.
>> That's how most of us professionals
install a ground rod is pretty much just
like that.
Ah, you heard that, Connor?
>> I think Steve forgets I worked in radio,
too. But anyway,
>> so anyways, that's um um I would do
that. Anyway,
>> they should be exothermically bonded to
um to whatever the ground system is that
the the primary uh primary panel of the
house.
>> He's you can see there he is actually
trenching. Just remember that brown is
live.
>> That's why he's
>> blue is neutral.
>> As a tip, I mean, one thing I did, one
thing that was really helpful was um I
actually went to Craigslist and I found
uh on several different occasions over,
you know, contractors that that had
bought materials that every now and then
would unload materials. And I found a
guy who had like 20 ground rods and I
think they were like 30 or 40 bucks. And
I just carried them away. and they're
>> he stole them. He walked into a Home
Depot and stole them.
>> If you go to Home Depot, those are like
I think they're like $20 a piece now.
They used to only be five or 10 bucks.
Um, but they're expensive now. So, if
you need to use more than three or four
of them, they get expensive.
>> I'm surprised if anybody has anything
copper, they're not selling the crap out
of it.
>> Or find your find your local. If you're
nice to them, they may uh they may give
you some. They may even give you a
ground rod. Hey, have you seen the
Milwaukee Milwaukee lunch warmer?
>> Is that a Milwaukee vape?
>> Yeah, it's a Milwaukee vape.
>> I'm a big fan. I'm a big fan. I love it.
>> It's They only come in sawdust flavor,
copper, and uh and uh anti anti-seas.
>> Anti-se if you're wonder
6 amp batteries.
>> The lunch warmer. And they do have they
actually have a chamoy and taheen option
too.
>> A little more back to the question. The
the gentleman who asked that you're a
newer ham, correct?
>> Yeah. I mean, I've had my technician for
a while, but just kind of getting back
into the hobby and I've been studying
for uh studying for my general. If if
you're building planning on building a
home base station, in addition to a
rotary hammer drill for ground rods,
which I agree is one of the best
investments you'll ever make, I highly
highly suggest that you purchase the
grounding and bonding for the radio
amateur from the ARRL.
Uh it is a fantastic reference and from
a amateur radio operator's perspective
it is one of the best places you can
start your your education in that aspect
of uh necessity in the hobby
>> W so much that out
>> yeah um okay who else is here for the
first time that would like to say hi or
ask a question first timers first,
please.
I'm about to get my job site warmer on
right now. It's happening. Three out of
five stars.
>> It's It's It's probably the worst thing
they played.
>> It's got to be horrible. I love it.
>> It's crap.
>> It's got to be Look at this. Look at it.
>> Only has two reviews. Somebody Somebody
figured out Canva. That's all I got to
say. With this glow that they've added
to it,
>> I think it's new. Oh, it's new. Yeah,
>> I love it. That's awesome.
All right. Anybody else here for the
first time like to say hi or ask a
question? Now is the time. Otherwise,
I'll keep an eye on chat, too. So, uh
don't don't worry. We'll come back
around later. But there you go.
All right. Just uh open comments or
questions from any Juan anywhere. Go
ahead.
>> One more question.
>> Yeah, go for it.
So, sorry for two questions, but um at
home uh for HF, uh I'm not a general
yet, but uh just work on receiving and
studying for the general. Um got alpha
antenna, gutter antenna on my um
on my uh HF radio, but basically it's a
long like uh about 55 ft of gutter on
the west side of the house. And
sometimes I can't hear um people like uh
like KMRD was um activating in Texas and
I was trying to hear that. But I'm
thinking about running an extra wire up
the the end of the gutter up to the
ridge of the roof
>> and I'm just wondering should I do that
or run it full loop or am I going down
the wrong rabbit hole? What would you
say to improve my HF antenna
capabilities? Well, you you I don't know
if you're new here, but you might have
never heard me say this before. Try it.
Try them both and then you come back and
tell us which one is best
because
>> is there a reason that you have to use
the gutter antenna?
>> Well, like the low profile.
>> Yeah. So, hold on before we go there,
Tom. Um,
>> you are you are the perfect use case of
like best practices so that when because
like I don't know I don't I don't have
the the gutter antenna. So I can't I
can't say like oh this is definitely the
way you need 50 foot of gutter at least
you need to have you know you are the
you are the one that that could could
answer all these questions. So, like,
yeah, go go go buy uh 50 foot of wire
and go nuts. Run it under the eaves of
of your of your roof line, all that
stuff. Um, make a loop out of it. Sure,
why not? Of course, you you still have
to, you know, figure out how you want to
terminate it correctly. And you could
call Steve or maybe not call him, but
reach out via his contact page over at
Alpha and be like, "Hey, I'm thinking of
doing this, that, or the other." Because
he's going to have loads of ideas. Steve
is uh Steve's always got some cool ideas
that you can you can you know bounce
some stuff off of him. Um but yeah, so
generally more wire is going to be
better um in some cases, but generally
when you're talking about a gutter
antenna, you're tuning the crap out of
it anyway. So playing around with
different lengths is going to be
positive uh in a lot of cases. your
difficulty is more or less going to be
in like
tuning it, which is kind of a weird
thing to say. Have you tried to just
like I don't I don't know what that um
that unun he ships it. I don't know what
the makeup of that thing is. I'd be
curious like if you if you modeled it,
if you put it on an analyzer, what it
would show um before the tuner, right?
Have you tried that?
>> Yeah. So, I mean, I um I put it on the
uh rig expert stick pro and I mean I
checked the S SWR stuff, but that's
about it.
>> Yeah. When you do the plot on it, did
you do a uh um you have the pro, right?
So, you can do
>> Yeah.
>> Uh an what is it? What am I thinking of?
Oh my gosh.
>> Smith chart.
>> No. Uh well, Smith chart would get you
there. Yeah. Not there's no Smith chart.
Whoa. If you use the companion app, you
can run a Smith chart and then you could
actually get an idea of what it's
mapping out to um over a frequency set
that you you place. But what RN RNX uh
there's an RNX function and you can use
that to determine
how well it's uh resonant at whatever
frequency you set it at for that center
frequency. Also, just S SWR too. I mean,
that's a starting point. Is it resonant
anywhere on any band?
>> Yeah, I mean it's one point I mean at 40
um if I remember serves now it's like
less than 1.5. It's 1.2 on most of those
at the
>> That could be the unun though or the the
box the magic box.
>> Yeah, it's hooked to that. I figured you
have to have that, right? But
>> are you in a HOA?
I am and I'm the HOA president. So, but
again, we don't really have any rules to
restrict that. I have a I have a I'm a
wife I'm in a wife HOA who doesn't like
stuff on my roof, but I put VHF UHF.
>> Is is is there a restriction that
you know that makes you use this antenna
which is there is
>> preference and um trying to be low for
our profile. The um 8ft diamond on the
roof ridge for VHF UHF didn't go over
well, but it's we're warming up to it,
so I'm trying to u be low profile.
>> Well, if you're the HOA president, let's
put up a tower and put a a tower rule
that towers are allowed.
>> This is the best HOA president ever.
>> Yeah. This is the greatest opportunity
any ham has ever had.
>> Yeah, but didn't you hear he's got a
house HOA president?
>> Yeah, the wife.
>> Yeah, that doesn't matter. Just, you
know, put it up at night. do it when
she's not like being married.
>> Exactly. Send her on a week vacation.
>> So, I will point out that this length
I'm just had to remind myself, go back
and look at my my math charts. That's a
really nice length and you're elevated.
So, you're you're going to have to do a
lot to beat this as a random wire.
>> What? What are you talking about?
>> And Fletch, a reminder, as a technician,
you do have a window into starting your
HF journey. You do have 28.3 to 28.5 on
10 m. We are starting to come into that
season and that is the most active
window on 10 m. So if you can get the
antenna to where you want it, don't
forget to use it.
>> Awesome. Thank you. I didn't know that.
>> Yeah, 10 10 m
>> I don't know if he mentions what the
>> We'll start to open up now. Actually
should be open now. When will it open
or Tom? When will it open?
>> Should be open now.
>> The one thing the one thing on the on
>> with that antenna, if you can kind of
make sure they're bonded good, there's
good connection between that whole run.
That'll definitely help.
>> Yeah, I ran a continuity tester around
the whole thing. So, I'm getting great
continuity. And I just uh I've got to
run the grounding spike bolt to a
grounding rod. I was going to try and do
that to just improve that as well.
>> But that the grounding rod, the 9-footer
goes back to the conversation earlier
that they have to be bonded together.
All your ground rods need to be all
bonded. So
>> yeah, temporary installation.
>> Yeah. Um so
>> the other thing is like
>> let me go back. Um how long is your
gutter right now?
>> It's about 55 ft, not including the down
spouts. And it's uh the gutter antennas
hooked up to one of the down spouts. And
then both my 8ft grounding rods are
about 12 ft apart and they're bonded
along with a box outside to bond the
rest of the equipment in the shack.
>> There's some de expedition on on 10
meters right now. So yeah, 10 m is open.
>> Um at least for me.
>> Hey Josh, I do have technician.
>> Go ahead. I always have to remind people
technicians have 40 meters and 15
meters.
on CW. Yeah, you've always got CW.
>> Um,
>> on CW. Yes, they do. You do not need to
upgrade. You just need to learn more
skills.
>> How far were you from Mike when he was
activating?
>> He was in Texas and I'm in Kansas.
Actually, I'm about 40 minutes away from
Pleasant Hill where um Steve is in the
uh Alpha Antenna is.
>> And which band was he operating?
Uh 40 I believe.
>> Oh, okay. I was going to say if he was
doing 20, there's a chance he could have
been over your head, but um what's your
noise floor?
>> Good question.
>> I don't know. I have to have to learn
how to figure that out.
>> That's a big factor. So, an easy way to
do that is when you're thinking 40 m is
open or or such, just scroll your VFO
knob until you find a place where no
one's talking. there's no weird noises,
no FT8. And then just watch the meter
and see what it does. The Smeter, he
said.
>> And that that'll Yeah, watch the Smeter
and receive. And just just kind of
observe it for a minute and see what it
says. And that'll give you a good idea
of your sort of typical noise floor at
your house on that band.
>> There you go.
>> I'm not sure when when that was going
on, but I will say cuz I'm down in
southwest Missouri, it's been hard to
get to Texas here lately.
Yeah, but that's
u all of the questions we're asking are
are ones we should you should look into.
The noise floor is a is a very important
one. 40 is a is a noisy band for a lot
of people, not just atmospherically, but
because of all the crap electronics that
people have put in their houses.
>> Yeah, I'd say if you live in sort of a
suburban scent uh settlement,
>> uh it's probably bad. But for me, I live
in a suburban area and my noise floor is
a max of S6 on 40. And I' I'd call that
pretty good for living in a developed
area.
>> I like that you called it a a
settlement. That's that's one step above
a tenement that we live in in the uh in
in the
>> It's better than living in a stle. So
>> down at the uh Oh, I've got what are
some other ones? Anyway, uh love the
love the comment from Blackhawk 5966
says, "Tell me why my Facebook just
played a video advertisement for a
Milwaukee ground rod tool. I've never
searched for a Milwaukee thing ever, let
alone the ground rod installation tool.
>> You have been medded.
>> AI's in Yeah.
>> I I love it. say though, do you want
you're wanting to do the wire? Like Josh
said, reach out to Steve. Steve's very
receptive and he'll definitely get back
with you.
>> Um, he'll answer all your questions.
>> I think Steve is more excited talking
about and and I I will I will um I will
extend this to all Steves, both the
Steves in this Discord chat right now
and Steve from Alpha Antennetta are
probably more excited about your antenna
project than you might be if you talk to
them.
That's all. Yeah, Steve's great. He's
he's he's just a ball of energy.
>> Steve's tend to be um very
knowledgeable.
>> Ultimate
>> ultimate.
>> I My uncle is a Steve and he's quite
knowledgeable. He's a little crazy,
which I think a touch of craziness also
runs in the Steves a little bit. Just a
touch. Just a scoch.
>> I know I know I know two Steves. I can
name two Steves right now that are both
broadcast engineers
>> and that and that that just means
they're a little crazy. You got to be
right, Steve.
>> There you go.
>> Hold my beer.
>> I'll take another
>> You don't hear at the transmitter site
for 500, Alex?
>> You hear it once and both of the Steves
I could I could ask questions to and
they'd both give me detailed answers.
That would be correct. Now, now is that
VK Steve that shows up here every once
in a while, Tom?
>> No, no, no, no. That's No, he knows
about Bongs. Yet another Steve.
>> Yeah, that's what I was going to say.
>> Could be considered a water jacket.
>> Big fan.
>> Hey. Oh, Fletch. Uh, sounds like there's
another person on your uh on your line
there. Thanks for listening to us.
Appreciate you. Yeah,
>> my son Brock just wanted to tell you
that he's a big fan. He's excited to see
you.
>> Hey, Brock, how you doing? Thanks for
saying hi.
I'm doing good. How about you, Josh?
>> I'm good. Do you do uh do you play radio
with your dad?
>> Uh yeah, I'm going to get a new radio,
too.
>> Nice. Are you Are you licensed? What's
What uh what are you doing right now?
>> Studying for Texas.
>> Uh uh yeah, I'm working on it. Study my
license.
>> That's excellent. My kids aren't
studying at all. They're playing
Fortnite. So, I'll give you the leg up
that you're going to get your license
before they do.
>> I play Fortnite, too.
>> Well, you know, we all do now and then.
>> Yeah. He went to field day and he made
some DXs with the kid on the air station
and really loved it and boys really, you
know, but right now they're on the GMRS
a lot so as we around the neighborhood.
So, they're they're getting into it.
>> I love it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's
cool. Brock, nice to talk with you.
Thanks for joining us.
>> That's cool.
>> So, so, so there's another Steve who's
also a broadcast engineer who's piped
up.
>> So, there's three Steves that I know
that are broadcast engineers.
>> How many?
>> I'm pretty sure they're all named Steve
we got here.
>> Yeah. Ste.
So, uh, uh, New York Steve just dropped
his, uh, $59 ground rod driver. So, this
is what I also borrowed from Home Depot.
But did you see the Milwaukee one,
Steve?
>> Yes, I did. It was just out of stock in
my local home depot. But,
>> uh, see, he poo pooed it, though.
>> No, no, no. I own it. I own three of
those. The Milwaukee one's good. They're
great. They're great. I think the
problem with So what Connor was saying
is that if you put them and he's not
wrong, if you they have a thing where
it'll grip the rock.
>> Say it again. Say it again. Hold on. Say
it again.
>> You're not wrong. So, uh, the problem is
is that if you have really hard soil,
which is what we have, and you hit a lot
of rock, if you don't hold on to the
hammer, it will bounce right off of
that. And I've had that happen two or
three times, and it's it's not fun. So,
that's why we us here we usually stand
on a ladder and just guide it down
straight. And it also looks better when
it's when it's straight. But you can in
most soil conditions, you can just mount
that thing on the top, plug it, plug it
in, and just let it go. And it'll almost
drive itself if the soil's soft enough.
>> I understand how it works now. I see it.
Okay. So, let me let me see if I can
dive in on it. So, the the adapter goes
over the rod and then there's side bit
where the demo hammer is pushing it and
going up and down, pushing it, and that
drives. The
>> cool thing about that is you can lift it
up.
>> Yeah.
>> You can lift it up. There's another You
don't have to get on a ladder. You can
do it from the ground. Holy hell, having
your hands above your head.
>> That is a drill.
>> That is a drill.
>> That's
>> Yeah, my guilty is about that big.
>> That's like one of those you don't have
to you don't have to press the trigger.
You just put it on the the bit and it
just the weight of
>> if you hold it straight, it'll just go.
You get you let the hammer do the work
anyways. That's the key to that.
>> It's just the weight of it. Earth's
gravity is just pulling it to the core
>> constantly.
>> No, that drill is pulling Earth's
gravity.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's That's
awesome. That drill is no joke, dude.
>> Yeah. For use with recommended is the
MXF 3651XC.
>> Okay. I bet it is.
>> I have to know. I bet you this thing is
like, how expensive is the M?
>> Those are 365.
>> They're more than 60ucks.
>> 365. Plus, it's got a dash in there.
Hold on.
>> That' be $16,000.
Oh, anything with a dash is going to be
expensive.
>> Yeah, it's got a You can't forget the D
1XC. The 1XC. Of of course. Of course.
>> I want the I want the Milwaukee battery
uh crimper.
>> Oh my god. It's got a trolley.
>> Where to buy?
>> It's got a trolley.
Oh, wait. Dubai.
>> No, that's different.
>> Casual.
>> Okay, here we go. Oh, that's only 2100.
It's only 2100, guys. It's only That's
That's not even That's 2,800.
>> No, that was the That was the one that's
on a trolley. This is the handheld
>> You would want all the options, wouldn't
you?
>> Of Well, no. So, the the trolley one's
like more like a jackhammer. This is
That's an actual different The one I
pulled up is different. This one has a
>> jackhammer
>> a little bit, I guess. Um, what? It's
got a Oh, it's an entirely
>> It's an entirely It's a battery system
I've never even heard of before. The MX
Fuel
>> Forge battery, which I've never even
heard of these before.
>> Oh, it's a Fuel and Oh, no. The Forge is
new, I think.
>> The marketing wink is strong with this
one. And and it's got Wi-Fi for some
reason. The the your demo hammer has
Wi-Fi. That adds that adds 3D to the
>> That's for when you're doing a hold my
beer moment. You can do it far away.
>> I love playing it up for the the brand
fanboys.
>> Coming sooner.
>> The ground rod attachment that holds
itself up and you use Wi-Fi to push the
button and drives it in.
>> That's a drill.
>> That is a drill.
>> That's not a drill. That's
>> I think for the casual hammed, if you
just round rod driver and and the $80
hammer, you're absolutely you're way
ahead of the game.
>> Okay, hold on. I'm getting corrected in
the chat. Um CNSRC says it's one key,
not Wi-Fi.
I'm sorry. That is a Wii logo. Now, they
may be overloading the logo with their
own branding and some special
technology, but that is Wi-Fi. That is
Wi-Fi. What is one key?
>> I So, um, Milwaukee does something
that's kind of cool. You can key all
your tools together and it tags you as
the owner because their stuff is $2,100
and gets stolen and you can do you can
put it in a box and the box can be one
keyed to you.
>> It's a snitch service.
>> Yeah, it's a snitch service. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
>> I don't want nobody knowing who that I
own the tool. That's how you That's how
the government gets you.
>> Yeah.
>> That's tool DRM.
>> Yeah. Tool DRM. A lot of the a lot of
>> someone's going to cut your finger off.
>> But regardless,
>> the guys have to buy their own stuff
>> regardless of the one. Yes. A lot of
people who do actual work um has to buy
their own equipment.
>> With that said, that is Wi-Fi. That That
is a Wi-Fi logo. That is a Wi-Fi logo.
>> Does it have Bluetooth?
>> I hope so. I want to I want to amplify
the sound of the drill. I want to I want
to put my earbuds in and I want it to be
louder. Yeah. Does it have two point?
>> Yeah, that's powered via PO. Yeah,
>> tell me how long how far to drive it
down.
>> Yeah, exactly. Call 811 for you and
it'll snitch to the local inspector to
let them know if you haven't driven it
down all the way.
>> Listen,
>> I can't get you to pair to my phone, but
it'll pair to my to the ground.
>> Yeah, Tom,
>> what is it full duplex?
>> It's a full duplex.
>> Pull it out and put it in.
>> Yeah, but does it have
>> Connor? It does not have Bluetooth.
>> Look at this, man.
>> But for $40, Milwaukee does sell a
Bluetooth tag that you can attach.
>> Destroy 400.
>> Perfect.
>> Look at this guy. Just one on it to
>> Look how easy he's using this thing.
>> What the heck is connected to that?
>> Oh, he's got the That's the uh That's
the ghost trap for when they encounter
ghosts with their uh with their ecto
attachment.
>> That's a That's a Ghostbusters Ecto1
trap.
>> Yeah. That's your Halloween costume,
>> dude. This is I I might go as this guy.
Ground uh Captain Ground Rod.
>> It's probably got mesh core running on
it.
>> Dude, there's definitely enough space to
put a note in it.
>> And then another ham will tell you
you're doing it wrong.
>> Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
>> Look at the battery on this thing. It's
huge.
>> And it lasts for 5 seconds.
>> I bet you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Oh, yeah. I can't imagine it's going to
last very long.
>> So So you don't think you can run a 2 kW
amplifier off that thing?
>> And you can only use it if
>> you can run you can run a 2 kW amplifier
off it. It'll probably only be for one
AC cycle, but you could do it
>> if that class L.
>> Wait, don't they don't they have a
doesn't Milwaukee make like a giant
torque wrench or something that that
runs off that same thing?
>> I think they do. I I know exactly what
you're talking about. Um, by the way,
that that side load ground rod driver is
$1,200.
>> Oh,
>> is it really?
>> That one is
>> uh Yeah, I'm looking at it right here.
It's uh it's the 40. I'm trying to get
find I I can't find it in stock
anywhere.
>> So, going back to Conor's point. going
back to Connor's point where he was
like, "Yeah, go buy the $80 Harbor
Freight uh demo hammer and then equip it
with the the Milwaukee side load ground
rod installer $1,200
bit.
>> That's awesome.
>> I've got two of those and they do work.
I mean it but um
>> I didn't pay no $1,200." Okay,
>> I didn't cost me 1,200 bucks, but they
are $1,200 if you buy them retail
>> for for the salary hams. The normal
Milwaukee uh ground rod driver bit is I
think 3 $35.
>> 60 bucks. Yeah. Or or 35 if you
>> Yeah. I don't even that expensive
anymore.
>> Yeah. It depends on the it depends on
the on whether it's SDS plus or SDS Max.
Whatever whatever your um
>> I'm sure that that one that's $1,200
must be the
>> SDS Milwaukee M18 plus.
>> No, it's for the MX Fuel 27B SDS Max
demo hammer. That's the regular. I put
the link in the thing for it.
>> I just realized
>> I just realized how they are tracking
battery capacity. So they are showing
two images here. I just got drawn in by
the images, but they're saying the run
time of this XC8 battery pack is
equivalent to one 63 foot trench that is
1 in wide and 4 in deep or a 30ft block
wall that's 40 4t tall. That's what one
battery pack. That's how much dem
destruction demolitioning you can do
with one battery charge.
>> Only has a power battery.
>> I I don't know that it's 8 amp hour. I
mean, how
>> that's what it says.
>> Is it 8? It says right there. 8 amp hour
battery and rapid charger.
>> But would you want a batteries bigger
than that?
>> Yeah. All our battery. Well, what volt?
Oh, it's 72 volts. THAT'S WHY.
BUT BUT THE thing is, would you want to
hold that thing or
>> Hell yeah. I want I want I want to hold
it right now. I want to do the rest of
the stream holding it next to me and
just be like, "Check out my MXF365-1XC.
Hell yeah." The emoji coming.
>> Holding it and using it for eight hours
is two different things.
>> Well, again, I don't do I don't do
physical labor. I don't real work for
the government. Then you watch someone
else use it. Hey. Hey.
>> Now, Josh, did you see what I posted
>> in chat? Cuz you
>> Is it more hot ground rod installation
talk? I hope
>> Oh, we got time lapse of I actually put
a time lapse of driving a ground
clamp that goes with it.
>> Does that output? Can we train the
battery less
>> for $2,100? It better.
>> I've got the Uni T one, Don. So with
that's uh it's
>> it's so easy with the demo hammer kids.
I don't know how to express it.
>> It's a 20th the price.
>> So fast.
>> Oh, it's so fast.
>> You'll never go back to hammering.
>> You'll never you will never hammer in
another another ground rod if you like
get one of these things.
>> The disclaimer is though once they go in
ain't coming out.
>> They ain't coming out. Yeah, that's it.
And and the way to think of it, sell the
house. People who bought my father's
house in Memphis can attest to that to
the six that they're going to find the
hard way.
>> Yeah.
>> What you do is you just when you want it
to come out, you just put it in farther.
>> Yeah. They when you install a ground
route, it should not be able to come
out. It's basically a compression
fitting to Earth. That's that's the best
way to think of that.
>> We're
the way Steve said that. I love it so
much. It's a compression fit with the
Earth.
It is.
>> We're fighting the earth. We're stabbing
it vigorously.
>> Vigorously.
>> What?
>> Okay, Don, what am I looking at? You
dropped the link for the Fluke Earth
ground clamp. We should make this a
segment. We could find the dumbest, most
expensive ham radio tools. What is this?
>> Well, what it does is it tests the the
ground conductivity of the ground.
>> I have one. I actually own that. I own
the -1.
>> You need to have a circuit. There there
was a guy that was putting in a tower
out in Arizona and he had one of these
to test the the his ground conductivity
because it told that told him how many
ground rods he was going to have to put
in.
>> Well, so that that's an earth ground. I
own that. The the we use an a mega um
and I actually have one downstairs.
>> What do we call it?
>> Take a picture of one.
>> Um it's an
say megaome meter. Jesus.
>> It's a mega. It's made by M probe. It's
the the trade name is mega me ge rer and
it's um uh it basically it's there's
there's a there's a standard for
measuring it. So, it's two ground rods.
Um, I think they they have to be at
least um one to one and a half u rod
lengths apart. And it has to two rods,
you should never have more than 24 ohms
uh to ground, which is why in most new
installations, most uh residential
installations, they'll sync two ground
rods to ensure they get the lowest um
impedance to ground. So, it has to be
less than 24 ohms. So, there is a
standard to it. That's how you measure
to lick the mega. Do do remember that as
a as Johnny Ham, a mega will kill you.
>> Mear will kill you.
>> Will absolutely kill you.
>> Actually, you know, the little ones like
my little amp probe um will not kill
you, but it would it's the equivalent of
like holding on to the spark plug while
somebody pulls pulls the tea handle on
the lawn.
>> I'm sorry. This is a tool. This is a
tool that will kill you.
>> No, no, that one won't. No, the mega
meter won't a mega meter. Yeah,
>> take a picture. Hold on. I'll go take a
picture of it and post it.
>> The idea the idea ultimately Josh of
that is the conductivity and the
resistance of the ground. Um, ideally
like Steve said about 20 20 ohms. Ideal
is considered anything 10 or less. So,
it's it's basically to figure out
whether or not you're just
useless or not.
>> Yeah. And that guy that was doing the
the grounding, this was something Dave
Castler had on one time, but anyway, the
guy that was doing that grounding around
his towers was actually digging down
into the earth and then putting this uh
conductive soil. I don't to to improve
the ground conductivity in the in the
desert that he was dr dr dr dr dr dr dr
dr dr dr dr dr dr dr dr dr dr dr dr dr
drilling into
>> So he was disturbing the ground. You
can't do that.
>> And by the way, there's a figure you can
buy on AliExpress for 50 bucks and it's
really good.
>> So there is actually a commercial
compound Steve can elaborate on it.
There is actually a commercial compound
which in conditions of poor soil
conductivity
uh can be used to increase the
conductivity improve the ground when
directly into the hole that the rod is
being driven into. So,
>> yes, but you cannot dig up the ground,
>> fill it with dirt.
>> Well, I just found uh another one that's
uh 300 bucks.
>> The VA 100.
>> That's pretty cheap.
>> Look up the fluke one.
>> It does the same damn thing.
>> Yeah,
>> it's a little more Chinese, but it's
good.
>> Yeah, the the Fluke The only reason to
look up the Fluke one is because it's
going to be expensive, right?
>> Well, half the reason Fluke is expensive
is because of the service behind it.
like you get you get these ridiculous uh
uh calibration packages and lifetime
warranty and everything. You're you're
you're paying for something that you're
going to use and abuse professionally.
You know,
>> you're paying to be able to call a dude
at 3:00 a.m. with an issue that you need
fixed right now and he'll tell you what
to do.
>> Well, the other multi-million dollar
job.
>> Yeah. for for what we were doing when we
were going into T-Mobile and we were
working in their data centers. They
wanted us to they wanted to see the
tools that we were using. So, you're
basically showing off to your customer
that, hey, look, I'm willing to I'm
willing to spend the money to do your
stuff, right?
>> Yeah. Check out our full Andritsu lab.
Come tour it before we take on your
contract. Go ahead, Steve. So, I I just
posted a picture of a uh an Amprobe
smallmeger and the uh Amprobe GP1
which are um almost industry standards
for for uh use in the field besides a
dranet.
>> Got to get the old crank mega.
>> That's Yeah, that's the amro. Ampro is a
crank mega.
>> By the way, you actively have to try and
kill yourself.
Yes, it takes some effort to do it.
There was a comment in here. Somebody
said, uh, tell you about megers. None of
says all the the fellow who says an any
Navy ET can tell you about meggers and
the multiple uses for them, none of
which are appropriate or approved of.
And I agree with that 100%.
>> Attach them to your buddy's chair and
then crank it. Dave, have you got a
windy windy one?
>> That's the little amp probe. Um, yeah,
that thing.
>> That is a windy windy. I like the windy
windy. You can tell what the meeting is
going to be before you look at the meter
just based on how hard it is to crank.
>> Oh yeah. Yeah, that one is the
equivalent of holding on to the lawn
mower while somebody pulls the handle.
>> Wait, I'm sorry. If if you if you're
holding on to the leads and start it.
>> Oh yeah. Yeah. Volts out.
>> Why would you Yeah. So that's
>> if you're holding anything it's
connected to. I mean imagine a lot of
people use these for testing like motor
insulation. If you're grabbing the case
of the motor, it's gonna you're gonna
>> Why would you do that? That's like
That's like hugging a guy who's getting
uh defibrillated.
>> I was say I was I was mentioning that
for Johnny Ham. Okay.
>> The original teaser prank.
>> Yeah. If you scroll up, there's a
there's a smaller one that I use uh
sometimes in the field. It's the It's
the U Amprobe. And yeah, that one right
there. No, not the kitties.
But yeah, that one right there that you
just scrolled by, that was uh that's the
uh
>> Steve has tactical cats in his toolbox.
>> I know exactly what this meme is. I know
exactly what this meme is and it's
killing me. Oh my god.
>> Tell us what it is.
>> No, no, no, no, no.
>> It's okay. I said you can do it.
>> No. I'm not going to go cuz I almost did
it with the accent, too. No, no, no, no.
But you'll talk about a succulent
Chinese meal.
>> I would definitely do that. It's a white
guy. I'm okay doing that. And I know
he's from Australia. Everybody's like,
"Oh, that British guy." And like, "No,
>> no."
>> Oh man.
>> This is democracy manifest.
>> Manifest.
>> Manifest.
>> A meal. A succulent Chinese meal.
>> That's still one of my favorite videos
of all time.
>> Did you see the interview with him?
Every now and then it'll pop up and
you'll send it to me and it kills me
every time. Josh,
>> it's it's one of those like like you're
you're you're doom scrolling before bed
and you hit it, you're like, "Well, I'm
just going to watch this whole thing."
>> Yep.
>> You have to watch the whole thing. You
can't just watch it and scroll.
>> Jody, don't ask that question. We'll be
here all night if you get Steve started
into his tool collection.
>> That could be a problem. Oh,
>> if you want to get Steve going, "Hey,
Steve, what's the difference between
grounding and bonding?
I I'll I'll keep my tism control.
>> That one's not hard. That was not hard
>> easily. But it's hardly simple,
>> Steve. Is current flow negative to
positive or positive to negative?
>> Oh, why?
>> That's a that's a good topic.
>> Well, the neutral is is zero volts,
right?
>> Yeah. Then nothing ever flows on the
neutral.
>> Yeah.
>> It's the negative.
Isn't that why they call it the neutral?
>> Yeah, cuz it's negative. Yeah.
>> Why does it change every 60 Hz?
>> Why can't
>> in in residential in America?
>> No, we're not going to do this. No, it's
okay.
>> No.
>> No.
>> N
>> Hey, Connor, what call sign did you get,
by the way?
>> I have many call signs. No, your your VK
call.
>> Oh, Victor Kilo9 X-ray Yankee.
>> I I thought I No, I thought you would
have got like a VK6 call or something.
>> No, because we're not going to
>> No, we're not going to. Our expedition
is not, believe it or not, in VK6. It's
in VK9. VK9X.
>> But you got a VK call.
>> No,
>> you got a VK light. No. Okay.
>> I haven't taken the test. I haven't sat
the exam yet.
>> Okay. sat in. Oh man, we're going all
right. We're going hard here.
>> Um, no, I I get it. I I understand. Um,
that also reminded me of another one of
my favorite memes.
>> I have many I have many ham radio
licenses.
>> I do have many ham radio licens.
>> They're free. You can just take them
from the park.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The elites don't want
you to know the call signs on QRZ are
free. I have 450 call signs.
That's the uh Alex Jones meme. I have to
find it.
>> I didn't know you could do such a good
impression at Connor.
>> That's That was That was a spot on,
Conor. That was amazing. I'm being
docked so hard right now.
>> N sorry.
>> Oh, damn.
>> N.
>> It's okay. Josh lives at
>> No. No.
Let me turn on AP again. It's been about
5 years.
>> Yeah.
>> Oh, that's the worst. I always make sure
I turn my APRS off when I get anywhere
near
>> Where the hell is that meme?
Where did I put it?
>> Well, zoning enforcement knows where
Josh lives, by the way. Do you have an
update about that?
>> Do you know? Okay, so wait, hold on.
When I wrapped up that video
in your mind, how did I leave it?
>> Open.
>> No, kind of open. Definitely open. No.
How did I leave it?
>> You had mentioned that you spoke that
you met Tom Hoping Garden that you had
spoken to him, but I don't think there
was much anything past that.
>> Oh, no, there was definitely a lot past.
>> Oh, then you have then then do share
because that's that's always good to
hear.
>> No, it was in the video. That's why I I
Okay. Yes. So, all right. By the way, by
the way, I will be shooting a follow on
video tomorrow. And the reason is
>> I
every person who stopped me at
Huntsville Hamfest asked me what was
going on with the antenna situation and
I answered it at the end of the video. I
I answered it like that's that's it. It
was all it's that's it. But because I
got asked so many times, it makes me
feel like I screwed up. And now hearing
Steve, he didn't get it. So multiple
people don't get it. Um,
the short answer was, and I I'll
spoiling my own video here, but I'll
I'll make it fun, I guess. I don't know.
Is that when I hit them with PRB1,
they went, "Oh crap, our lawyers need to
look at this. Don't do anything until
you hear from us again." And then they
sent us a certified letter that says,
"Don't do anything at all and if we need
anything from you, we'll let you know."
That's where
>> Yeah, that's right. But that's kind of
letting leaving us. Okay. So that that's
that's where we
>> That's it. Yeah. That's it. I won't know
until until it that's it. Like that's
all there is. That's all there is to it.
>> Um
>> I I I got that from it.
>> Okay. I was worried that years it it
could take years for them to get back to
you. So, what that means for me, Josh,
is that you need a 6 meter and a 2 meter
EM array. I think that's what that
means.
>> Well, I'm I'm getting uh Wait, is my
wife still watching? I'm I'm working on
a a sat pack setup. The as
>> Yeah, I'm going to get So, well, Leo's
like a brand.
>> I'm just I'm trying to figure out what
the right one is, but uh I'm definitely
I'm definitely thinking about that.
>> Yeah. What I what I got from the end of
the video, Josh, was that you were in a
holding pattern, but that basically more
was
>> likely to come.
>> Josh, did you say you live in more is
likely to come?
>> No.
>> Josh, did you say you live in an HOA or
I don't remember?
>> Just a regular ass town.
>> Yeah. Okay.
>> What?
>> Yeah.
>> Isn't an HOA?
>> They can't let that drag on forever. you
do have recourse where it has to be
addressed in a reasonable um time frame.
>> Yeah. California itself as a government
is subject to PRB1.
>> So it's like almost every state every
>> Well, right. Exactly. But if you sign
something and say I'm I agree that I
will follow these rules and those rules
include no antennas, then that's
different. That's where the difference
is.
>> Correct.
However, it needs to be reminded for
those who are not that familiar with
PRB1. PRB1 exists only to protect
against uh denials or claims for
aesthetics.
Regulatory body or governing body can
still push you for reasons of
engineering or safety.
>> Correct. the the latter statement is the
is most accurate.
>> It's not about aesthetics. It's no has
nothing to do with it's about arbitrary
BS. Like they just said 15 ft. That's
it. You get a 15 ft active element.
That's all you get. It that's not based
off of science. I would argue that's not
based off of of aesthetics either.
That's a that's a pretty big antenna. Um
it is you have to follow the engineering
guidance particularly of the
manufacturers that make your antenna.
And then obviously standards for code
which that's their job. I agree. I
agree. They should they should do that.
That the city should do that and I will
follow every rule regarding that
particularly for safety of myself, my
loved ones and my neighbors that I care
about deeply. Um anything else
it is off the book is is out of is out
of line.
Yeah, I I am probably stated that
poorly, but that that's where PRB1
>> I know what you meant
>> started. Yeah, that's how it that that's
where the issue that led to it
>> began.
>> Yes. Uh and I found the meme thankfully.
Oh my gosh, I'm so happy.
>> Hello.
>> Hello.
Hello.
>> Oh, you can hear me? Oh
>> yes,
you are heard. How are you doing?
>> I'm fine.
>> Thank you for joining us. Is this your
first time?
>> Yes.
>> Do you have a question or you just want
to say hi to the folks that are here?
>> I just want to say hi.
>> Well, cheers. Thanks for joining us. If
anything comes up, let us know.
I found the meme. The elites don't want
you The elites don't want you to know
this, but the call signs on cures that
are free. You can take them home. I have
458 call signs.
>> I love it so much.
>> Josh, on your uh on that video, do you
think they ever thought because I just
looked here. I I saw 328,000
views on that video.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> Do you think they realized that they
were going to put themselves in that
much of a spotlight?
>> No. And see, this is the this is the
part that like and I will include this.
I again I'm spoiling the entire video
that I'm putting together. Um my wife
went to high school with the city
manager. She knows him. She can just
call him and be like, "Bro," and the the
city's lawyer who
is I I believe basically being told to
do things and it's her job, so she has
to do it. I've like hung out with this
lady at the Korean bar down the street
until like late in, you know, the
evening um drinking soju and and Korean
beer with wood grubs. Has anybody had a
Korean wood grub? I have with her the
city the the city lawyer and I'm going
to be like I like I just she she's hung
out with me. She knows that I'm going to
go I'm going to go nuts. Like I'm going
to be like yeah this is great great
content. I'll make more videos that get
300,000 plus views and just
go nuts. Come at me, bro. Please.
Please.
Yes, Leia was there. Leia was there.
It's her friend. It's her friend. It's
so sharp. Don't open my pack. My Vegeta
Oh, my son's over here cutting things.
>> Jesus. Don't mess with my Vegeta with a
crazy little pocketk knife.
>> I want it.
>> Mine doesn't sound.
>> Take it. Yours.
>> Yay.
>> Um.
>> Yeah, immediately. Put a put a lanyard
on it or something. Okay. Anyway, yeah,
like we know all these people. Like we
are act My wife in particular is very
active in the city. Like we are active
people. And all this came up because uh
she she and
many other people in the the city have
been upset with the way that some of the
council people have been operating and
so we're like enough is enough. Let's do
something about it. And they did. They
did a lot.
>> So you're being targeted.
>> Uh my wife would say so. I feel like we
one cannot definitively say that. Did
you just kill my phone? What did you do
to my phone? No, it's
>> there's an update.
>> Oh my. And so you pushed the update.
>> Oh my god. Okay.
>> Without without directly answering Josh,
I think uh what you're trying to get at
could probably easily be summarized with
never underestimate the potential
pettiness of small town politics.
>> Oh, dude, it's bad. It's so bad. Okay,
hold on. Yes, son.
>> What black thing?
Uh, no. That's another future video.
>> Oh, did I just
>> Yeah. Well, you haven't told him
anything, but don't don't talk anymore
about it. That's a future video.
>> Thank you, son, for talking about future
videos.
>> A little bit.
>> He He said don't talk about it. He
didn't say don't bring it in front of
the camera.
>> Yeah.
>> Exactly. Don't go get it or anything.
>> Mi
>> mixing mixing with politicians. Unless
it was Jeffrey Epstein. I will buy you a
bunch of V-Bucks if you show it on
camera.
>> Wait, did you get a Raspberry Pi Zero?
>> This is So, somebody asked in the chat
like, "What is that?" It's literally
just a speaker. You turn it on and you
can plug it into QRP radios. I did a
video that What? Okay, go inside. Go
inside. You're screwing up the green
screen.
>> I know. It's a hot spot. It's fine.
>> You're screwing everything up.
>> It's a hot spot.
>> Yeah, it's a hot spot for ham radio.
It's a ham radio hotspot.
>> That makes me like it even more.
>> No, but you have to have a license. You
have to see. You could have all this.
You can have this and more. You can have
this and more if you go get your
license. Go study. Go.
>> You're just going to go get a license.
>> Go now. Don't hang out on live stream.
See, we have our license so we can hang
out on the live stream. You don't have
your license. You can't. That's the new
rule. If you have your license, then you
can hang out on the live stream.
>> What license?
>> Your ham radio license. What do you mean
what license?
>> Extra. A lot of licenses.
>> No, you don't. You have no licenses.
What do you mean you have lots of
licenses?
>> The licenses at the park are free. I
have 458 licenses. What are you talking
about?
GMRS licenses are free. You can just use
them.
>> They're what?
>> Ladies and gentlemen, black helicopters
have been spotted.
>> Okay. Summer camp. And then I got like a
license.
>> Go in go inside. You can now be you you
cannot be on live stream until you get
your license. I'm sorry. That's a new
>> Don't make your Don't make your father
pull this live stream over.
>> Wait, I don't have my license yet.
>> Sorry. Go ahead. That's fine. You can
hang out. Um, you have
>> That's fine. You'll find
Sorry. I'm sorry to have
>> You're not one of his children.
>> This is Yeah.
>> Yo, chat.
>> Is there anyone of you that
>> is he cooked? Chat.
>> Yo, chat. Is he cooked?
>> We're not answering the chat.
>> He's cooked.
>> He's about to be cooked if he doesn't
get Joshy just roasted him.
>> Go.
>> He's been roasted.
>> Load the rifle.
>> Go. 67.
>> What do you mean? Try
>> 67.
>> You can have his license tomorrow.
That's the funny thing.
>> If I have to get up, we're a problem.
Thank you.
>> God.
>> Oh, I heard the dad voice.
>> He's about to turn this live stream
around.
>> If I have to get up, it's going to be a
problem.
>> I just flash to middle school.
>> Dad voice.
Something is upsetty on my
>> Yeah, it's you.
>> Anyway, it's just
>> I think you were a little upset.
>> No, the the little clicketity clacky on
the uh on the table there. Anyway, we're
fine. Okay, what else is going on?
>> Awkward.
>> I had a question.
>> Yeah, go ahead. Perfect timing. Go for
it. Okay, so I live like two blocks from
an airport. Not a big airport, one of
those little dinky airports.
>> Okay.
>> How am I going to put up an antenna?
>> What frequency? What bands are you
targeting to get on the air?
>> Well, I'm just going to have my
technician license, so I guess nothing
elaborate at first.
>> Don't worry about it. Um, if you're
putting up a 2 meter, 70 cm, even a 17
foot vertical whip on the eve of the top
point of your roof, then you're you're
fine. Are you what? It's one story,
twotory house.
>> It's like one and a half.
>> Yeah, you're fine.
>> If the antenna is less than 200 ft AGL,
you don't have anything to worry about.
>> Don't worry. Unless you're directly in
the in the path, but even then,
>> yeah, you have to and then it's
>> and then it's um it has to it's a 100 to
one rule um from the from the slope of
the runway. I forget the the the the
rule is 100 to one. There's a slope from
the center of the runway to wherever
that obstacle is, but you have to hit
200 feet first. So,
>> basically, forget about it.
>> Yeah, forget you're fine. The key point
is if that was something that you think
would stop you from putting up an
antenna, it is not. You are fine.
>> Okay, great. The second question is I'm
using right now I just have this scanner
um
that I didn't even know what it was um
when I bought it for my husband and he
passed away. So, I just started using it
when somebody mentioned ham radio. I was
like, "Oh, well, I've got a scanner at
home somewhere." And I came home and dug
it out. Um, and I um, so I've been
listening and at first
it was receiving everything just fine,
but now it like cuts out every few
seconds. So, like when I'm listening to
somebody talk, it just
like I'll miss like parts of call signs
and have to listen.
>> So, you're listening to it's a ham
radio. You're listening to a ham radio
frequency, right?
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. I bet you your squelch might be
set too high. You needed to drop squelch
down a little.
>> Okay.
>> So, basically, set the squelch to just
above where it's giving you white noise
and the speaker's turned on. just above
that and then know how to give it a
little bit more if you need to
>> cuz right now it's
>> scanner is a
>> it's a it's um
okay let me think
uh
unidan bearcat
>> okay
>> uh
something 30 C
>> yeah you probably just have the squelch
too high it's it's okay I'll try Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> I don't I don't know how to simplify
this for somebody who's new. So, one of
you could
might also have priority on where it's
uh returning to a priority frequency
checking for
>> that's possible. Yeah. Uh somebody else
said that in the chat too. Priority
turned on.
>> There's a hold button if when you get
when it goes on to something you want to
listen to, hit the hold button.
>> Um
>> Oh, yeah. I have a bunch of stuff. I
Well, it's got like 500 channels I could
program in
>> and I have to hit the hold and then I
use the dial to get to the channels that
I programmed in.
>> Okay. So, that is also possible is that
you have it in a scanning mode that's
just waiting x seconds and then moving
on. So, you may need like if you hear
activity, you might want to hit the hold
button so it stays there for you.
>> Oh, I see.
>> Mhm.
But like I said in the chat, it it he
could you could also have it where it's
listening in the background for other
channels in priority mode and it's
hearing something and moving off of the
frequency that you currently listen to.
>> Oh,
>> that's possible.
>> I got to find I got to find a user
manual, man.
>> Uh you can look it up. Look it up
online. Just just take the name of it
and just search. It looks like it's an
SR30C. Does that sound about right? I'm
literally on my YouTube. I've got a
picture of it up.
>> It's the Bearcat SR30C.
>> Yeah, there's a ton of user guides
online. You can look it up on your phone
or whatever.
>> I've got four Unien scanners and I don't
know how to use any of them.
>> I'm sure how to use them video.
>> There's probably a thousand videos on
this one.
>> Yeah. Well, um I used to I used to work
in electronics a long long time ago.
Um, I was I was an electronics
technician um back in the 80s when I was
in the Navy.
>> Oh, cool.
>> So, this should be right up your alley
then. You should be able to figure this
out in no time, I think.
>> Oh, yeah. cuz I've been uh when I
>> moved in with my last husband in 95, I
started building computers and I've been
building computers for 30 years now.
>> Nice.
>> Well, right on. Um,
cool thing to do with a scanner like
that is, uh, because it's BNC is get a
get an antenna outside like up on your
roof or something like that and and
bring bring a bit of coax in and connect
to it and you'll be shocked how much
better your signals your um,
>> I can do that.
>> That's really fun.
>> Where what uh, if you don't mind me
asking, what part of the country are you
in?
I'm in um central Wisconsin.
>> So, one of the big thing that's
happening and I I I'm just looking at
the scanner and so I'm guessing the
answer is, you know, um probably not
digital, but if you're listening to
hams, it's fine. Nothing that hams do is
encrypted or there's probably a ton of
analog traffic, but a lot of the first
responders and everybody are going to
digital and encrypted digital and that's
made the scanner scene kind of a a
problem. um difficult because everything
is encrypted. You can't you can't
receive it anymore. So scanners like
these are great for ham radio or GMRS
and FM stations and stuff like that and
anything that's left in the open or in
the clear, so to speak. Um but it looks
like a fun device. Looks like it's real
portable, too.
Yeah, there's a lot of traffic in this
area on there's a they like link them
all together repeaters.
>> Uh yes. Yeah, sure.
Good comment from the chat is saying get
yourself a disown antenna. And that's
that's what I use on my scanner is a
disown antenna. very widebanded, meaning
um it can it can listen to many many
frequencies. And it's a pretty good
receiver if you get it up and outside.
Get it up off the the roof a little bit
and outside. It'll do really well for
you. I can hear all the way to like
downtown LA from my house and that's
like 30 miles as the crow flies from
where I'm at.
They're pretty good.
>> Wow. Okay. Thank you.
>> Yeah, absolutely.
Enjoy CHP while it lasts there, Josh.
>> Yeah, the low band. The low VHF band.
That's right.
>> Days are numbered.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
Um I am liking my uh I did get an SDS
15.
I haven't made a video on it yet, and I
have been taking it with me on all my
travels around the country. And I gotta
say, living in an area that's not
completely encrypted is so much fun. I
was in Boulder, Colorado, and I was
running that thing 247. And man, it was
there was all kinds of stuff on there.
It was great. Sucks out here. Sucks out
here for the beginning.
>> Yeah. Same thing here. Everything is
encrypted here.
>> You can't hear anything except for hams.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. When I was living in Richardson,
they actually passed a law through the I
mean, the the citizens got together,
passed a law, and they don't allow
anyone other than SWAT to encrypt.
>> I mean, even like our school buses are
running encrypted like D2.
>> It's crazy.
>> Well, what what I found so interesting
was the trash guys were the people you
wanted to listen to. Those guys,
>> all the public works guys, too. All the
All those guys. Yeah.
>> Uh, excuse me, Mr. Bus driver. I push
the big C button on your radio. What
does that mean?
>> Although debatably, I'm happy that the
buses are encrypted.
>> Encrypted buses.
>> SA Water when they were on um when
they're on MPT trunking,
>> they used to get jobs dispatched to them
>> and then once they got once they got the
job dispatched to them, they he'd then
ring up his mate and they just talk
about the next job that they're doing.
Mhm.
>> To to be fair though too their contest,
you do live in a state that onethird one
entire third of it qualifies as a
military installation.
>> That is true. Wait, where where where is
this? Well, I'm not going to dox myself,
but
>> Oh, okay. Never mind. Sorry. We've
already
>> over in the UK, our emergency services
have been encrypted for years now.
>> That doesn't make it right. and a tetra.
>> I'm pointing it out because there's
actually um new device out that you can
have in your car that picks up the tetra
frequencies and um will tell you how far
away the police car is.
>> Oh, there for a while.
>> Can it tell me how far away a flock
camera is?
>> Yeah. Well, the Nyan cat will. That's
what I use it for is finding flock
cameras and and it'll tell you about
cost
>> just to observe just to observe the fly
cameras. Yeah. Hey, uh there's a lot of
sales going on at Harbor Freight for
things like hacksaws and uh you know zip
ties and duct tape. No, I'm just
kidding. Don't
>> What about shotguns?
>> John Crook will get mad at me if I say
anything bad about fly.
>> Hey, no speculating.
>> Yeah,
>> you're supposed to just
>> apparently you guys don't know about
that. Okay, good. I I thought that would
get a bigger
>> Never mind.
>> Oh no, he's he's made that loud and
clear across the socials.
>> Oh, you live stream chat.
>> Your new device that you got from that
guy that you were showing earlier on the
stream. Can that do anything with flock
cameras?
>> I mean do anything. So that's the thing,
right? Is awareness is what I would say
the Nion Cat is really good at is it
gives you awareness of what's around
you. So, like if you go to a gas
station, you can search for card
skimmers. If you go to if you're driving
around, it'll tell you if there's flot
cameras. It'll tell you if there's axon
cameras for, you know, cops or whatever.
It'll tell you if there's Bluetooth
devices in like a cop car that's by you.
It's a it's signals intelligence like
the literal close proximity sigant.
That's really what it's all about. And
that I mean that's that's why I think
it's really cool is doing all that
stuff. And if you are ever in an
environment where people are deoffing
and doing other crap like that, it'll
notify you of that too, which is
awesome.
>> Gotcha. But you can't block anything
with frequency wise.
>> What? Like what do you mean to block a
flock? Like Well, because a flock is a
is just a it's just a camera, right?
It's a camera that's running
post-processing on the on the videos
>> and
>> but it uploads. So how do you block
that? Yeah.
>> Oh. Oh. Oh, you're saying like, well, I
mean, well, you don't legally block the
video is, I think, the the true answer.
>> So, let me let me go back a step.
Jamming is illegal.
>> Oh, I would never. I'm just saying if
you were
>> Jamming is illegal, but there are
definitely tools out there. And uh maybe
the Nyan cat will do the Nion box will
do that.
Maybe. But then you you you also so
>> experimentation.
>> Some other things is like you have to be
pretty close. Um, usually the best
jammers are pretty powerful. They're
pretty powerful.
What's the best job in the Well, maybe
not the best job or you can just cut it
down, but have you seen the pictures of
the guys in the Ukraine that have in
Ukraine, not the
>> uh that have like an overunder shotgun
and then they have just like the massive
jammer on their backpack. Dude, as
somebody who loves ski and trap, I'm
like, "Oh, that's actually sounds like a
lot of fun. I want some drone some heavy
drone magnum loads and a and a jammer.
>> It's all fun in games till you have 80
pounds of jamming equipment on your
Well, yeah. They're they're they're no
joke. They put out a lot of power.
>> Two things.
>> It's scary.
>> If you're really interested in learning
about the wireless systems and the
functionality of the cameras, really
recommend you go and check out Ben
Jordan's videos.
>> Oh, yeah. uh he is the one who has done
in combination with 404 media some of
the biggest research on vulnerabilities
which he disclosed to homeland security
and the flock prior to making the videos
uh as is ethical but that's a great
source of it. The other thing is Josh,
you mentioned Ukraine. Ukraine has come
up with some fascinating RF devices for
detecting drones. Some of which like the
the handheld detector that can actually
uh de modulate the camera signals
>> from Russian drones. Awesome. Awesome
technology they've come up with for
different RF functions over there to to
get the upper hand. Oh yeah, there's a
Well, okay, let me go back to the Ben
Jordan thing. So, I have been subscribed
to Ben Jordan for years because I enjoy
synthesizers with the very little
synthesizer time I have. And he's been
on my list for a long time. So, when he
went from like cool synthesizer videos
like talking about all his music and
stuff like that and then hard cut to
flot cameras, I was like, what's going
on? And that's what put it on the radar
for me. And then I was like, oh man. Um,
best thing if you're interested in this
kind of stuff, if you're really
interested in this, come to Defcon.
Please come to Defcon. You will learn so
much in whatever it is that you want to
know more about the technology behind
the technology. It is such a good
experience, so good for learning this
kind of stuff.
Um, the uh NAM box also will has a drone
detector capability. So, it'll do that,
too.
>> What doesn't it do? It doesn't do ham
radio.
>> Give it time.
>> Um
>> Oh, but Oh, it does, Josh. It's It's It
can do 900 megahertz. We have a slot on
that,
>> Van. Okay. Uh the ladies ham says,
"Doesn't Cali OS have RF detection
software?" So, Cali OS does have SDR
capability and some other built-in
stuff. Uh, so it really just depends on
what you plug into it, but like RF
detection is such a like
Wi-Fi is RF. So, it has a Wi-Fi card, so
yes, it does Wi-Fi detection. It has
Bluetooth, too, right on your computer.
So, sure. Like I guess it I I don't know
what you mean by detection.
You can also spoof drones. Well, yeah.
Yeah, you could. You could do that.
You could. You could indeed.
>> If you do go to Defcon though, please
don't play with the toys that you buy
there on the aircraft on your way home.
>> Do not do it on a Delta flight that I'm
on or sitting in the Delta lounge
wearing my Defcon gear before I get on a
plane the the week after. Please don't.
>> Who did that? Uh, so I I posted a video
on just I did think I did. Did I? I
think I did. Um, where we talked about
the there was a Delta hack is whatever.
I don't know if they actually hacked
anybody, but um, basically some
>> it was it was a deoff.
>> So
around with their new device.
>> It was more than that. So you kind of
you can't do all of it with one device.
And let me explain. So, if I took my
Nyan cat and I did a deoff, a deth
disconnects everybody from their Wi-Fi,
that's all it's going to do, right? I
would then have to run an evil portal,
an evil Wi-Fi portal to fake
authentication for a Wi-Fi log on. And
so what they did was they deoff people.
And it could have been active deth. I
actually don't know the full forensics
on all of it. They could have just been
deoffing and deoffing. And while they
were doing that, they set up an evil
porter and it was like Delta WiFi fast.
So, it's it's like all the other Delta
Wi-Fi, but this one's fast. And so,
people were like, "Hell yeah." And it
had some weird credential log on thing.
And that's
>> But this was a malicious actor. This
wasn't just some
>> It could have been multiple. We don't
know. I don't know. Um, but yeah, I
would assume it's it's two tools. It's
two devices. Whether it's one or more
people, I don't know. But you you set up
the evil portal, get it running, and
then you deth everybody, and you run
that for x amount of time until
everybody's deth, and you turn it off,
and then everybody reconnects, and they
see Delta Wi-Fi fast. It's like, well,
Delta Wi-Fi is here, but I want the fast
Delta Wi-Fi, so that's the one I'm going
to use.
>> And I'd like to point out that they
didn't just do it on one flight.
Uh well,
yeah, because Okay, so a bit of in uh
insider ball knowledge. If you're going
to the east coast and you're flying
Delta from say Las Vegas, you're going
to Atlanta. Heads up. Surprise,
surprise. And so they they flew to
Atlanta and that's like the long leg of
the flight. And so they were probably
doing shenanigans. And then they got
onto another plane to go wherever and
they did more shenanigans.
And anything on board an aircraft is a
federal charge. So behave children.
>> It was probably a really bad day.
>> If they can figure out who you are.
>> Well, the guy's the guy's rolling off at
the Defcon gear on, I'm guessing.
>> Yeah. How stupid could you be?
>> I mean, it's really dumb. Like, it's
really dumb. Oh, one Wi-Fi. Wait, who
who said that? Yeah, one Wi-Fi pineapple
would do it, too. Like, yes, there there
are devices that can do both, but like
if they had the Wi-Fi pager, the
pineapple pager device that only does
one at a time, that kind of thing.
>> Matt, is that is that because of what
happened in 2001?
>> Thomas, do you have a link for that? Can
you go to the Discord if you're on the
disc uh or or just tell me the website
it's on? If there's actual like he
sounds like Thomas is more in the know
here. I don't know enough about this, so
I I'd like to hear the after action
link. Tell me where to go.
>> Go ahead. But uh
>> to to your answer to your question, Tom,
uh no, it it because the Wi-Fi is part
of the aircraft systems, it's considered
interfering with flight crew and flight
operations. So,
>> all right.
>> Regardless of that, yeah,
>> you're interfering from watching the
weird movies that are on Delta Wi-Fi.
>> Is that right, Bill?
>> Oh, where's Bill? Is Bill here? Bill's
going to be like
>> Bill would be the person. Bill was
actually on the jet ramp waiting for
those guys. And he was like, "You're
coming with me."
>> He's like, "Normally, I don't f with
Delta, but you're messing with onboard
ship systems." And so, I got to I got to
step in handle business here. Not on my
watch. Bill's not Bill's not here, man.
Bill's not here, man.
>> He's showing at the top of the list, but
yeah,
>> I know.
>> Yeah,
>> Bill's not here.
>> I like the I like the original Wi-Fi.
pineapple was literally a pineapple. And
then Darren Darren Kitchenen was having
trouble getting on to flights cuz it
looked like a grenade.
>> Oh yeah,
the bill the bill is not here yet.
>> Having that
>> uh question, Josh, do we have you heard
any further updates on uh JTTY
uh Dr. Taylor's new mode?
No.
Is it out?
>> You ever heard about Jitty?
>> It's in beta.
>> Jitty. What is
>> That's what they call it.
>> What is they call?
>> It's like Riddy, but using the the JT
the FTE8 protocol. It's 15 seconds.
>> Yeah, but it's it's
>> everything you like about Ritty, but
Jitty. Okay. Yeah.
>> A little more.
>> It's everything you like about Ritt is
But it has the forward air
direction and ALL OF THAT.
>> OH, OKAY. OKAY.
>> It uses FTA protocol, but it's keyboard
to keyboard 15 second transmissions.
Kind of like
>> Why can't we just have Gasite?
>> Wait, wait, wait. You can look on the
the WSJT website and hear about it.
>> Have you heard of Jasite Cole?
>> Wait, no, wait, hold on. So, you're
telling me
>> titties and megas?
>> Stop it. Okay. So, you're telling me
that this is just his way
>> to make keyboard to keyboard 15-second
FT8?
>> Sort of.
>> That's all this is.
>> It's just
>> It's very good. I
>> I don't I was at the Northeast Ham
Exposition.
>> One of the devs was did a did a whole
talk about it. Seems pretty cool. I'm
excited.
>> Tell me.
>> Tell me when it's Q65 and we can do it
off the moon.
>> It's not ready. You're right. It's
jitty.
>> But why? Why? Why are they Why did they
just change one letter?
>> Because it's
>> Why wouldn't they?
>> Yeah. Why would they call it Ry if it's
not ready?
>> Ry is radio teletype.
>> And this is just to tell you that that's
what the abbreviation means. Just to
tell you.
>> This is Joe's teletype.
>> He's This is Joe's teletype. I like that
better. I like
>> I like that better.
>> Just to tell you.
>> No, it's it's it's for contesting.
>> No. someone who was weaned on 60
milliamp current loops. I think that's
funny.
>> Okay. Okay. So, straight up, Ry didn't
have a 50-second onoff cycle. It was
purely
>> send the message, you wait, and then you
replied. That was it. It was like like
uh like PSK. It was similar, right? At
least in use.
>> This is not that. It's 15-second onoff.
So, if you have uh it's it's literally
JSA.
It's JSA.
That's right. This is JSA call.
Oh my god. How many people are going to
do? Do I need to drop a link in chat for
you? Don, he beat you. He beat you. Beat
you. Well, you know, Don beats me all
the time.
>> Why are you beating me, Don? Stop
beating me.
>> Call Bill.
And
>> so ba basically the idea is it it'll
operate and it feels similar to ready
when you're operating it.
>> That's kind of
>> but it's 15 second on off. And so it's
like JSA
>> chat.
>> Uh you wouldn't do that for contesting.
Nobody's Nobody's contesting on VAC,
man. Straight
>> up. Why not?
>> Cuz have you used it? It's not emails.
>> No. No, it's not emails. Hey, we could
do win link Wednesday var uh contest
>> take a month just to score it.
>> So the problem with varc is that it's
like very channelized on the channels
that they want you to use. And so if you
dumped 1500 people into into 11
channels, it would be a freaking
nightmare. So with
you can scan anywhere you want on a band
and jitty it up.
Just just what uh just get jitty with
it. Just that's the tagline. Just get
jitty with it.
>> There we go. We've accepted him into the
group.
>> Done. You're just getting jitty with it.
>> And and the the opening part of that uh
uh article is basically about how
they've switched to doing DevOps.
>> Yep.
>> Great.
>> I can't wait for the
piece of string contest.
>> I'm sorry. What day? WSJTX now is on
GitHub.
>> It's September of 2026 and we've adopted
DevOps standards.
>> You have to realize who's programming
this.
>> Damn it.
>> Oh, it's mostly in Pascal, too, right?
Isn't that his like primary language is
Pascal?
>> No, it's Pascal.
>> Oh, sorry. My bad. My bad.
>> It's not Pascal. And it's not
>> Can I run WSJS?
He's mad now. And Joe, I love I love
everything you've ever done. You don't
know me. I don't know you. I love
everything you ever worked on. I
apologize if that offended you. If this
ends up finding its way to you, I'm so
sorry.
>> I I just posted the link to their new
GitHub thing that they uh they're
starting to use as their
>> dude. Good.
>> Good for them. Good for them.
>> Die. Die. Source Forge. Die.
>> Yeah.
>> I love it, dude. DevOps is DevOps is the
future, kids. Did you know that? It's
also the present and past.
>> Don's gonna rewrite it in cobalt.
>> No forran 66 with uh common blocks.
That's the only way to do uh text string
manipulation. Uh
>> it's true.
>> Yeah, it doesn't matter.
>> So So can can we use Q65 on this jitty
mode?
>> No.
>> So we can talk over the moon. What the
hell is a half POE?
>> You want to get the moon is what you're
saying.
>> I want to get with the moon.
>> Okay.
>> The chase.
>> There it is. We got it, kids. We got it.
>> Oh, they're they're compiling for Arch
64.
>> Getting jitty with it. I
>> Come on, dude. Come on. We got it.
That's it. That's it.
Hi, Jeff.
>> If if there's anything that I want to
get back to to Joe, it's it's getting
jitty with it. Like, come on. Please
make that a thing. Make that happen.
>> That guy's call sign is K0 jig.
Look at the hat.
>> Yeah, it is.
>> Oh, no. Oh, no. She's wearing a gay suit
shirt. Get it before Tom sees
>> doing a y
>> This actually seems like a really fun
party. I would actually be really
>> Hey, I slop.
>> I I would be really happy to be
>> sick party.
>> This is a sick party.
>> Totally. I think he's holding a mic,
too. Look at that. There's like a little
cable down here. Little PTT. Little
little action going on.
>> Why is she only two foot tall?
>> She's really crouched down. down in a
chair.
>> He's only two feet old,
>> man.
>> He's popping a squad.
>> And does somebody know N7F FTE or is
that just a random call sign?
>> Well, assuming it's AI swap, they
probably made it up.
>> K0 jig seems like, you know, top bloke.
>> I mean, it's not bad for an AI image. AI
has come a long way, man. It's a little
scary, actually. Yeah, they I'm
surprised sometimes when I ask for
images and
>> their fingers are not all screwed up.
>> Yeah.
>> No.
>> Yeah, they have the right amount of
fingers on their hands.
>> Yeah,
>> for real. They're getting jitty with it.
>> They are getting jitty with it. Like it
is it is what's happening.
>> Apparently the phonetics for the N is a
copper too in the back.
>> Holy. We love Juliet Kilo Lima.
>> Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, it lost
its mind a little bit on Ed. It lost
that the agabur
augabber.
>> Yeah, it combined it combined uh
November and October. There's no
>> It's scary how good it's getting, guys.
This is This is not okay. I'm not okay
with this. This is
>> Have you played with the new uh the new
6.0 Ch?
>> No, I don't play with I don't play with
any AI. I don't play with it at all.
There's no playing.
>> Okay, boomer.
>> Well, I that's fine. You could you could
I just I just have this thing called
thinking where I I I got most the answer
already. I just I just need to I just
need to like look into it a little bit
more.
>> Yeah. The pro the problem I'm
>> or call people I know that are experts
in the area and get real experts instead
of the gross median average of an
answer.
>> How much RF do you need to do that
thinking thing you're talking about?
>> All of it. I guess cuz it's
>> RF is stored in the balls. So, so you
don't you don't have any customers,
Josh, that are asking you for AI.
>> Don, Don, do you know who I work for?
>> I'm just asking you a question about
somebody
>> work for Omnicore.
>> No, I mean, they're asking us for AI.
>> They ask us to actually develop, right?
>> Yes. They all are.
>> Yes. And so you have to learn
>> you have to learn how to do it whether
you do it or not but you have to learn
how to do it.
>> Um
>> that's why I'm doing it. That's why I'm
doing it.
>> Okay. Let me let me back up how to do
it.
>> I am I am further down the rabbit hole
on generative AI for code. Not making an
image or uh asking chat GPT questions.
That's not
>> Can you start? Yeah. Let's use GPT as
Google.
>> Well, the the thing is
>> well that's happening whether I want it
or not unfortunate it right in front of
my face. Now an interesting thing
happened.
This is actually okay. This is actually
an AI thing that I found very useful. So
I will I will be I will be fully you
know I will give it I will give it its
props. So, I
I have had a uh Gigaparts you a landing
page on Gigaparts for forever and ever.
And it's like something ends in Josh.
Like if you go to the Josh page, I think
I linked it in the video description. I
don't know. But like if you it's like
the affiliate landing page. Go to
Gigaparts, you can buy anything from
Gigaparts. It's like I brought you
there. Thanks for coming. You get more
gigab bucks because I brought you there
and that kind of thing. But I forgot
what the URL was. Straight up forgot.
And I I have a nice list of, you know,
all my affiliate codes and stuff like
that. Use this blah blah blah. And I
just searched in the past this worked. I
just went to I searched gigapart space
Josh and it it brought it up. It was
from my history in my browser and I was
like, "Oh, that's it. Yay. Good." So it
didn't work and I was like, "Oh crap."
So, it went to Google and then AI kicked
in and it said Josh Nass has an
affiliate program with gigaparts and if
you go to his landing page this then you
bubble bubble more gigabucks and I
clicked it. I'm like oh that's the
landing page. Okay, good job AI. You did
a good you did a good thing for me today
which I found funny.
>> Can you start using AI to make your
thumbnails?
>> Never. Never. Uh, I I don't want to
throw anybody under the bus, but there
has been some talk about the AI
thumbnails in the ham radio community.
Um, what's his name? Old old tech guy on
on YouTube. Who have I Kevin Laughlin?
Kevin Laughlin.
>> Kevin Kevin Laughlin. Yeah.
>> Um, he made a Facebook post.
>> You could probably find it if you go
I'll just give everybody a little
homework. even go to his Facebook page
and you look for the one that has all
the AI thumbnails on it and then look at
the commentary that's in there. Um
I Exactly. Okay. So this is the Okay, so
generative AI code
it's like yes that is taking a code.
It's a taking a code base from
developers. That is their that is their
art. I could see that argument, but I
feel it is even harder to
deal with that in my mind when you talk
about like real art. So, generative AI
when it comes to like actual art,
thumbnails, whatever, photos,
uh, portraits, whatever, landscapes, uh,
all that stuff like that is from other
people's work. It is copied from other
people straight up. Like that's where it
came from. It was it learned off of
other people's stuff. And so AI
thumbnails,
everything else, like all of that just
reeks of stealing somebody's actual real
human effort. And so I don't I don't do
it. I don't do it.
>> It's also destructive.
>> Honestly, I'm not talking about Frank.
I'm not I'm not like you can just go
look this up. Go look up Kevin Laugh on
the old tech guy on Facebook. Go look it
up.
It's it's also destructive with what we
know now about some of the materials
that uh these AI companies are feeding
to build their models and then
destroying
classic texts pieces of art various
other things.
>> Uh comment
>> in order to build
>> comment while I do agree. Oh
>> hold on.
>> So Josh my how I see it.
>> Well, hold on. Wait, wait, wait, wait,
wait, wait. Hold on, hold on, wait,
wait, wait. So, he just dropped a big
bomb about the destruction of books.
Does anybody want to comment on that
specifically first?
>> Yeah. So, I mean, that is a very
frequent thing that actually is done a
lot. Yes.
>> Um, a lot of these books would end up
just getting thrown out anyways.
>> Um, a lot of them are being taken from
like not they're not really taking like
one of ones as much. Um, libraries throw
out a ton of books.
>> Yeah. Uh, I I I I don't want the
destruction of books. Uh, al although I
think that that particular AI story is
over. It's
it's not accurate um to what's really
going on because remember that happens
with scanning of books too like there is
non AI scanning of books has happened
for
>> you. You don't have to destroy the book
to scan it. Well, no, you actually you
kind of do if you want a good scan.
>> No, the National Archives uses a very
nice scanner that does not destroy the
books.
>> I It sucks to pay very nice scanner.
They have a very nice scanner. Not
everybody has that. And if it's not a
oneofone or some super limited thing,
then that doesn't bother me as much.
>> That doesn't bother me as much. Let me
just say that. They can also use cameras
that take a picture of the page at an
angle and and can flatten it.
>> Uh, well, that's true, too. Okay, it's
No, sorry, I cut you off. Did you have a
point?
>> So, the way I see it is the way humans
learned in the past is learning from
other people. I think AI is just
condensing it in a way that is easy for
us to consume and learn. So, it's it's
not necessarily a bad thing. It's just a
way a different way of doing the same
thing.
I don't disagree with you, but the end
product
still does not
change my argument that it's not a good
answer a lot of the times, right?
>> Sure. And I think that that technology
will improve over time though.
>> I don't know. So, okay, great. That's a
that's a good thing. We can we can table
until the future time. But the good
argument was there's a guy at your
company who makes reports and somebody
starts using AI to make reports and that
guy thinks those reports are dog
There's a guy at your company who makes
slides and someone else uses AI to make
a slide and that guy that's really good
at it thinks those slides are trash. or
there's a guy who does a schedule and
he's really good at doing scheduling and
you use AI to make a schedule and the
scheduler thinks that that's a bad
schedule. So, will AI get better?
Probably inevitably, I guess, like yes.
But that factor of I need the best
person to do a thing. I don't need the
average
standard answer. Do I need that all of
the time? Do I need the best answer
every time, all the time? No. Do I need
it a lot of the time? Sure. So, that's
the question, right?
>> I think there's also levels of effort,
too. I mean, you can set some of these
AIs to to really mle over things. And
then there's ones like Gemini that just
give you the instant answer.
>> Yeah. It's a thinking mode and thinking
and reasoning. And the the the higher
those are, the longer it's going to take
for it to get back to you, but the
better the answer is. But the pro
biggest problem right now to me with AI
is you can go in and a ask it a question
and what it'll give you as the as the
right answer in very many cases is
something that's so old that it doesn't
apply to what you're ask actually asking
because there's more weight given to the
number of correct answers. But those
correct answers could be about versions
that you're not even asking about
>> assuming that wholeheartedly
hallucinates everything.
>> Well, that just deals with good prompt
engineering and factchecking on your own
because I mean you guys are talk I mean
this argument is going spreading so far
between like let me help automate my
schedule for the week versus like give
me an original thought from Nichi. I
mean
>> some really productive things.
>> Very good point. And and again, it's a
tool. There are myriad of these
different AI tools that are out there.
I'm not saying that they're all bad. I'm
not saying they're all good. It's just
like any other tool. I don't go like,
hammer, yes, screwdriver, no. I don't
say that. It's like, well, however
you're using it, I just hope that you're
going through whatever factchecking that
you need to do for the thing. But if
it's like your daily schedule, yeah, who
cares? If it's helping your life out,
who cares? I don't got any problem with
that. Go nuts.
Well, it's helping me uh automate my my
job away, you know.
>> Um I guess I I I whenever someone says
that so like you someone whoever that
was in Discord, I wasn't looking in the
chat, but also in the chat was me and
snow cones.
>> So I'll come back to you in a second,
snow cones, but uh comment in the chat.
I AI won't take your job. The person
using AI to do the job better will take
your job. But see, you've added the word
better as though that's something that
is um given and I don't see that right
now. That's the part I don't see. So,
you have to explain that. Um snow cones,
you don't have to defend them if they if
you don't want to, but I'm going back to
you because you said you are automating
your job.
>> Go ahead.
>> So, specifically me, right? I'm I'm a a
QE lead for for a major telecom company.
We'll just say that.
>> Okay. Um, we we have a bunch of teams
and they all our mandate right now is to
automate 100% of all of our testing and
it it the way it seems like it's going
is that they're trying to railroad us
out of our job to just a couple of
people. So it so they don't need to pay
for anything and it's just the the
product is getting worse and worse and
it's backfiring.
>> Yes.
Yeah. I'm not surprised like what I
>> I I like But that's a critical that's a
critical item, right? Like a a critical
test item.
>> Yes.
>> I mean, I think there's there's a lot of
overlap between what you're saying
around like the best schedule versus
like a schedule, the best thing versus a
thing. Like there's a lot of very mid
lowquality stuff mixed in and the rate
at which things can be built right now
is way faster than we can like analyze
them and improve them and do proper
engineering on things. And so there's a
lot um both myself and lots of other
friends that I have that are software
engineers like you can't keep up with
the code review. Like we can build these
systems right now but we're going to
look back in 5 years. We're looking back
6 months right now and like having to
rip out stuff that, oh, that was good
enough to get us over, you know, this
ledge, but now we have to go back and
throw the whole thing out because there
wasn't really a person there to take the
time and think and build up this system
from like first principles, good
thinking. It's just
>> Yeah.
>> And that's just blatant abuse, you know,
like that's
>> that's one far end. Well, it's just one
far end of the spectrum. What I mean by
abuse is
>> it's debt.
>> Thank you. That's a much better term,
>> Josh. Perfect term.
>> Yeah.
>> Honestly, this all comes down to debt.
Like, how how much debt are you going to
carry? Because this goes back to like
when I did the live stream with software
developers that use AI but also can
point to the issues and it is debt.
Like, it's the same thing. It's the same
thing we all fought about and argued and
discussed in the professional space
about using foreign contractors. They
make code really fast and it's really
cheap, but I got to do a lot of work
after that. Well, you're probably doing
less work because you have another
contractor called AI doing the test
cases. That doesn't mean that you're not
acrewing debt. It may not be apparent to
you, but you are probably acrewing it.
You will have to deal with that. Future
Josh, future developer will have to deal
with that debt in the future, whether or
not you know it now or not. Maybe you
never have to because the system is just
it's good enough. We're never going to
touch it again and we're just going to
let it mothball. It was great. Like that
is possible. But like do you understand
that that like you you just acrew debt?
Everybody acrews debt.
>> And that's possible with only humans in
the loop. I mean, think about, you know,
the the
>> AI is acrewing debt because the AI was
old. We built it two years ago. We got
debt from that AI. That was the example
that was just given.
>> Well, and I mean the thing is too there
a lot of the stuff that we develop, it
gets thrown out in two years anyway. So,
never nobody ever has the time to go
back and really dig dig back into it. It
it really depends on what kind of thing
you're developing and how whether or not
you expect that to last long enough to
to actually have to pay the debt.
>> Yeah. So, you know what's really
interesting is we have a parallel in ham
radio on this exact same thing. It's
it's uh appliance operators, right? So,
some ham radio operators look down on
other hams for being appliance
operators. And in a lot of cases with
developers, they have become appliance
operators. The appliance is AI and
they're using AI as an appliance. They
go to and then outsprings code that does
exactly what they want. It's an
appliance.
>> We're AI jockeyies.
>> Yeah. So I I and I'm not saying that to
be derogative. A lot of people take what
I'm saying as though I'm like being an
I'm not. I'm I'm trying to be
as factual and show you comparisons of
reality, neither implying good nor bad.
But if you you have a case where it's
like, "Oh, I can't build a radio and I
use a 7300. I'm an appliance operator."
>> Same thing. I don't know how to code,
but I use an appliance to make code and
it makes cool code that works.
>> You're an appliance operator.
>> That's still the same thing. I mean, I
think the the difference here, right, is
like the the people whose jobs it is to
build software that will last and be
able to be approved upon and be
resilient and be like good code that
other people can be stewards of. is very
different than someone working on a
personal project or working on something
that we're just trying to like, you
know, get this thing done that probably
won't need to be maintained and built
upon and depended on by millions
millions of people.
>> I I argue that
there are bad examples in both cases and
I bet you in the commercial environment
there's probably more. Sounds crazy, but
I think that there's a lot of people
that are rolling fast and loose with
what they can put out um and make a
profit off of via AI.
We may never experience a problem from
it. No one may experience a problem from
it, but I am pretty confident that
people are are running pretty fast and
loose out there.
>> For sure. I I think there's a certain
gamble to that where you're you're and
it's not like me as a developer, I'm not
in the position to make the decision. So
if somebody comes in and says, look,
this has to be done by, you know, this
time and you know, me as a developer
knows, hell, there's no way I can make
that schedule. Oh, but we have to do it
because we need the money. There's you
you have to do it. And then the debt
occurs. Everybody knows the debt occurs.
I know the debt occurs. They do. But
we're rolling the dice to take take our
chances because
>> that's the gamble. And I find that very
often in what I do.
>> Uh it it's true that AI generative
coding has sped up the timetables for a
lot of development. No question. And I I
think it's generally been pretty
positive, but we haven't fallen off any
kind of crazy ledge yet. Um and I don't
expect us to. It might point to the fact
and well maybe this goes back to devi
devops pipelines are really important
kids. Um I don't know I at the end of
the day it
it is being used a lot. It is sped up
the timeline a lot and if one doesn't
use that in their business to compete
yes they're probably behind the curve. I
do not develop code anymore. I haven't
in in years. I am a I am a program
manager.
Am I upset that there's people that are
using generative AI on on code bases?
No, not at all. Like, no. At the same
time, do I require a certain level of
integrity in the code and quality? Yes.
How we get there, that's the question.
Um, if we use another AI and another AI
and another AI and you know just all
stairways going down, I don't know if
that's a great solution. There's other
options, many options that we employ.
Um, I don't know, man.
I I I don't have a major point here. I
really don't. Other than like, yeah,
it's it's a tool. You should use it. I'm
not mad.
>> I will say actually, I'll take it back.
Here's my one here's my one thing. Okay.
Sorry. Sorry, I'm not trying to
grandstand here, but um let me let me
just tell everybody, okay,
I my inbox is full of people that are
talking to me about their latest
greatest application and I by and large
am not replying to them anymore.
Mainly because every time I reply to
them, I get a sort of answer.
Yes, all of these things existed in
books or in other services that are
already out there, but this one uses a
cool website and I make really good uh
UI um or I'm I'm really good at
organizing all this information.
I've heard these arguments from so many
hams and so many hams are making AI
stuff
and it's a little bit exhausting. Like
it's a little bit exhausting and yes and
sadly I take the time to reply to them
and ask a question and they use some AI
to reply to me and I can tell that
you're using AI to reply to me. It's
it's a little sad. Like it's a little
sad. I I love it. you guys, you made an
application. I think it's great. Go
nuts. I've gone to some of these
applications and it's like uh
wallpapered with buy me a coffee and
there's nothing wrong with that either.
It doesn't bother me, but at the same
time, it's like I just please I I I just
I don't care that much. I I just don't
I'm not reviewing AI software.
>> Hey Josh, this is Heath here.
>> Hey, what's up man?
Hey man, that was just I thought I'd
jump in because you know I was on the
live stream with you talking about AI.
>> Okay. All right. Right on. Yeah. Yeah. I
saw you earlier. Yeah. What's going on?
What are your thoughts?
>> Um so the biggest thing we talked about
all all these different things. Um the
biggest boon and best use so far that
I've seen AI at work is that when
experienced engineers use it AI as a
co-orker or a buddy programmer. Right.
So there was a project, one of our
senior programmers was adding a bunch of
stuff to Evolution, which is a mail
client for Linux to connect to Microsoft
365. He he was able to get patches and
it working like in a quarter of the time
that it normally would take.
>> That's awesome.
>> And because because the nice thing with
AI is because it can do that catalog and
stuffing, but he doesn't have to go
through all of their code and figure it
out. the AI can do that for him so that
he can figure out where what he needs to
call and things like that. So, um, in
the hands of experienced programmers, I
found that's where the AI acceleration
comes from. That is like produces good
code that's manageable and maintainable
and all that stuff.
>> I I couldn't agree with Keith more.
>> Yeah, me too. It's it and and it's funny
because Josh I just you know I I just
went through a project
>> with a target uh target um hardware
system I was very unfamiliar with. I
knew exactly what I wanted to do. I
didn't know the instruction set well
enough but I was able to use AI as as as
a as an intermediary as a help. Hey,
this is what I want to do. And I worked
iteratively with it, telling it what I
wanted to do. And again, to Rola's
point, this is part of the training and
developed a piece of code that would
have taken me days or weeks to develop
that I I was able to develop in in
hours. And but I I I had to tell it
about, you know, this is the way I want
to do remote procedure calls. I want to
multiplex uh command and telemetry. I
want, you know, I want this and I it
needs to I need priorities. And you
know, much like designing an art toss,
and I got to tell you, it it was
phenomenal. But if you just let it go on
its own, it's going to come up with
something wrote and generic that just
you may not work well. I told it exactly
what I wanted to do. And I think like
Keith said, in the hands of somebody who
who can guide it to or use it like a
like a co-worker. Um, this is much the
way I would de I would manage a
development team. This is, you know,
here's I draw the box. You know, that's
the system. Somebody else actually
builds the the the builds the the inside
of the box that has the the uh you know
the the the uh the interfaces. You know
I just define the interfaces. You you
know you have to meet this meet or
exceed this requirement. That's
basically what how I treated that and it
was insane how quickly that developed. I
I think I showed you the results of that
over like two days. It was incredible. I
could never have done that without them.
>> Yeah. Impressive tool use. I agree.
You guys have said a lot about the tool
use, but Josh, I'm interested in your
thoughts about the tool itself.
You know, you were at Defcon. Mhm.
>> Uh you were there for the the uh I don't
know if you actually went to the talk or
not, but you know there have been
incidents now with
some of the models being developed so
quickly that there's blind spots
about their capabilities.
Um the you know open AAI hugging face
attack was a perfect example of a blind
spot where it ended up proving that a
multi- aent attack is a valid threat
vector that you know even if it's not
weaponized even if it's not
intentionally I'm curious what your
thoughts are about the speed at which
the tool itself is being developed and
whether you think it's too too quick
whether it needs to slow down a a little
bit.
>> I don't know to be honest with you. This
is an area that I I I don't have an
answer for that. I I would I I'm not
even going to speculate because I I
don't know because again, I'm not I'm
not touching this stuff. I'm not using
this stuff day in and day out. I haven't
had a project like Steve in the example.
Um,
and I mean going going back to Steve's
thing for a second, I I appreciate that
I'm kind of sidest stepping your your
question a bit, but um,
I know plenty of lead developers who had
a team of people that would go off and
do code and then they'd come back and do
a code review. And I know that lead
developer did not look at all that code.
I know that um because they depended on
the use cases passing and then and then
all the other all the other stuff that
they were doing the test cases blah blah
blah.
Yes, it's an assistant. That's a great
example. I go back to Steve's example
being good call. Now to to the exploit
example, it's like well sure how how
could you how could no one is running as
fast as we're running um and and not
experiencing exploits particularly in
well but I mean humans made a ton of
mistakes and they had exploits all the
time. They continue to have exploits all
the time. I don't know that AI is
necessarily better. Their exploits are
different sometimes very interesting and
fun. Um, I don't know cuz I guess I
didn't see that talk to be honest with
you. I have to go back and watch.
Um, I do
>> I would say I have one rule. If you're
going to talk to Chachi or Claude or
whatever, make sure you're nice because
when the singularity happens, the logs
will be kept and your house will be
blown up first. What is the That's the
Chimera. Uh
what's the the Chimera paradox? Have you
looked that up? Look that up.
>> Skynet is inevitable. How about that?
>> No, go look up the Chimera par I think
it's the Chimera paradox.
>> Now he tells me.
>> Yeah, I think it's the Chimera paradox.
Could be wrong. Somebody look it up and
fact check me. Um I did want to go back
because someone I don't even know if
they're in the chat anymore. So, thank
you. Ro Roo's Baskilus. That's it.
Jesus, I was way off. Samsonite, I was
way off. Uh, Ro's Bass, you nailed it.
Thank you, Lucas. You got it perfectly.
Um, okay. This is going back to try and
figure out if they were using a Wi-Fi
pineapple on the flight for Delta.
Passenger Wi-Fi Delta flight Los Angeles
to Atlanta, of course, prompting pilots.
Yeah. D
fully. Okay. I'm just going to do
pineapple. Pineapple.
Oh, okay. So,
read this very carefully before we go
crazy. At this point, it's unclear what
the passenger or passengers were doing.
It's easy to set up a fake malicious
Wi-Fi network using commercially
available tools like a Wi-Fi a Wi-Fi
pineapple. It's not that they used it,
it's that it's commercially available.
So, this is the same thing that JBO Hack
said is that everybody says Wi-Fi
pineapple when there's like a Wi-Fi
attack. They're like, "Oh, it's a Wi-Fi
pineapple." We don't know that. We don't
know. It It's possible, but we don't
know. And I think there was another one.
Let me do this one, too.
>> It also doesn't help that the media is
generally about as tech literate as a
blind man.
>> That's the problem. Every gun is an
AK-47 or an AR-15, right? Like, that's
>> same problem.
creating a fake easy enough with
specialized router called a Wi-Fi. So
again, they don't know. They're just
latching on to a buzz term, right? So
that's the problem is I'm looking for
like real data forensics here. That's
that's what I'm that's what I'm looking
for.
>> One of the other ones referenced a
Reddit comment where someone said that
it was a Wi-Fi pineapple with nothing to
back it up. Maybe that's uh
>> Yeah.
Yeah, that's that's uh that's kind of
where I was going with that.
I mean, to be honest,
>> it's got the should the Wi-Fi pineapple
has the shoulder thing that goes up.
>> That sounds like an AI article.
>> Yeah. Well, that's possible. Thank you,
AI, for news.
>> Glad I'm glad the evil twin is in the
zeitgeist now so that the normies will
understand. Don't don't just start
connecting to things.
>> Uh yeah, I hope so. I hope normies are
starting to realize like don't don't be
joining
>> to steal a line from Philip DeFranco.
Don't be stupid. Stupid.
>> What is the What am I looking at? The
Colossus, the Forbidden, the Forbidden
Project. What is this, Don?
>> You You've never seen that movie?
>> No. What is that?
>> That's a classic,
>> is it?
>> Yeah, it's It was very Well, of course,
I was alive.
>> Speak. Oh, Peak Spiffi. Look at They
They dragged their CRT television out to
the the test site. Look at this. That
won an award for special effect. Like
that was one of the big special effects
at that time. Yeah, I remember that
movie.
>> It was a good movie.
>> Oh, I may watch this after.
>> And by the way, the books are even
better. And there the the book the two
that come after that are Oh my, it gets
worse and worse and worse.
>> I might be too young to remember it.
When did it come out? Oh, 1970. Yeah.
>> Was that William I was born?
>> No, it wasn't Shatner.
Oh, I do want a hot Shatner chewing up
every piece of uh furniture.
>> I said shall
>> Oh,
we put some Shatner in here, though.
Let's do that. Let's redo it with
Shatner.
>> No, I did I did read and watch the
Andromeda Strain.
>> Yeah,
>> the original.
>> Uh yes. Yes.
>> I love one of my favorite movies ever.
>> Yeah.
>> I love that. I love that it's like much
to do about nothing if you waited.
>> That's my favorite part.
>> Colossus starts off with basically their
the United States and Russia building
nuclear uh controlled AIs to control
their nuclear stuff so that they can't
kill each other. And what happens is the
two supercomputers connect to each other
and figure out what the humans are
trying to do.
>> Oh, heck yeah.
It gets worse from there. So
>> Oh, this is awesome. Oh, I love it. Oh,
I love it. Who's in this?
A lot of people I don't know. Where?
>> That's why that's why we were all joking
when the Department of Defense started
uh doing proposals for uh integration of
AI into the nuclear arsenal. We're all
like, I think we've seen this movie
before.
>> You you'd recognize Eric Braden. He was
um he was in a in a number of movies in
the early '7s, mid70s,
>> but you might remember.
>> So, Eric Braden, sure. But James Hong, I
definitely know. Do everybody know what
James Hong is from.
>> Big Little China.
>> Yes. But
>> he's low.
>> He was low. Yeah.
>> Right. But I recognized him from this
movie cuz he's been around for a long
time.
>> Oh, forever. He's got a great voice or
has.
>> He's always been good. Yes,
>> he was in Diablo 4.
>> Yes.
>> As Oh, man. Everywhere. Yeah, he was in
everything, by the way. Fantastic movie.
Everything Everywhere all at once. It's
amazing.
>> Oh, yeah. That's a great
>> Look how Look how deep this guy's
so impressive.
>> When was he? Oh my god. We got to go way
back for Lopean.
Oh, I'm still in the 90s. A prolific
actor.
That's awesome.
Space Command. Oh jeez. We're We're at
Wait, what? Okay, hold on. 55. We went
too far. We've gone too far.
>> Oh my god. Yeah. Yeah, he was he was
around forever. There it is. Colossus
the the Forbin Project.
Uh when was Big Trouble? It's got to be
80s, right?
>> That was late mid 80s. Late
>> 85 834.
>> Oh my god. I'm still in the uh 84.
>> It was 86.
>> No. No. Oh, Big Trouble 86.
>> How is Big Trouble 7.2? That's insane.
That's insane.
>> Those are fake.
>> I I don't trust any movie any movie
reviews anymore.
It's just like, yeah, no way.
>> I grew up watching Mystery Science 3000.
No review is capable of achieving what
I'm looking for. Those were the best.
>> Amen.
>> No movie is capable of what I need.
>> Dude, there's so many people. God, such
a good movie. Uh, I showed this to my
kids. My kids were like, "Dude, this
movie is amazing."
>> Oh, yeah. It's like 13 years before uh
War Games came out. That's a really good
point. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. That's awesome.
>> I mean, yeah. War Games is it almost
seemed derivative, but I mean it wasn't
as dark and it was more fun. So, I mean,
I I could see the two movies, you know,
existing together, but I was not that
old when that thing came out, honestly.
And it scared the crap out of me.
>> Really? Oh, that's cool. All right.
>> Um, shout out to Peter Cers, one of my
favorite uh character actors ever.
>> Oh my god. Mhm.
>> From somebody mentioned Slim Pickkins,
riding the bomb of uh
>> Oh, yeah.
>> Doctor Strange Love.
>> Dr. Strange Love. Peter Cers. What? How
many actress How many characters did he
play in that? Like 50.
>> My favorite was Chanty the Gardener in
Being There. Probably one of the finest
movies he was ever.
>> He is so talent or was so talented,
>> man.
>> Yes.
>> Um all right, I need to take a bathroom
break here. So, I'm going to take a
minute and then I will be right back and
we're going to say hi to some of our
YouTube friends, but we'll take another
round of questions if those exist
because we still have a really big crew
here. So, I appreciate you guys hanging
out. Uh oh, and thank you, Frank, as
well. Appreciate the uh updated list. I
will return in one second. Please talk
to yourselves. Who is the uh who is the
chat before I go to the restroom? Good
source. Trust me, bro. I'll be right
back. Enjoy the memes. You guys talk
amongst yourselves.
And yes, please do talk.
>> Hey guys, I got a question. So, Black
Friday's coming up. Uh, power banks 200
to,000 watt. What brands do you guys
recommend for clean stuff? Banker,
Jacker
prototype.
I would I would just recommend a
battery, not a like a
big inverter thing.
>> Yeah. Now, Jason did take one out to to
Poto a couple of weeks ago, and that uh
EcoFlow, he had the he had the eco the
big EcoFlow with the with the, you know,
stacked thing, and we were running a
amplifier off of it. And I don't
remember, I mean, it wasn't like 10 15
feet from us, and it was quiet. So,
>> we we had one at field day and I got to
tell you, I was really impressed with
that thing. The amount of the the run
time on it was insane.
>> Yeah, we've got we've got two EcoFlows.
We've got a what I think the River 2 Max
and then a Delta 2 Plus or something.
They've both been great. We
>> Yeah, and they were very I mean, RF
wise, they were very quiet. They were
super quiet. I mean, they were We didn't
even know they were on.
>> Yeah. I think unless you need to like
actually charge with POTA or like you
want to do solar or something like
you're going out for a while
>> like you're better off just picking up
like a with iron phosphate uh charger
before you go and with a little little
power brick or something you way more
for your money.
>> We're we're building out a camper right
now and
>> uh specked out like an EcoFlow system
for that and it was just way better to
just buy the batteries, get some uh
Victron chargers and stuff.
Yeah, when I went out to Huntsville, I
that's been I took a just a 100 watt or
100 amp hour battery and 440 watts of
solar and I didn't need
I it never got below 74%.
And I was doing POTA with it. I was I I
was doing uh quite a few things. I was
running my uh uh a Wi-Fi system with it.
Um, so I just never had I it never never
got below 74%.
But it really depends, you know, how
much sun do you have, etc. in terms of
getting keeping it charged for a long
period of time. But, um, you can, you're
going to get much quieter results with a
just battery,
>> big old lithium battery. Okay.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. There's no real need to have an
inverter unless you're doing inverter
things,
>> right? It's just extra weight, extra
cost for less efficiency
>> because then you have to bring a power
supply and then you lose all sorts of
efficiency with that.
I'm back and uh I do have a piece of
news actually personal news. Um I might
be
on a future episode
of Storage Wars.
as the hoarder or the buyer?
>> Yeah. Josh, are you a secret hoarder?
>> Um, I might be the
I don't know how much this stuff costs,
but I know a guy,
>> huh? Is that I didn't even know that
show was still on.
>> Yeah, they've been they've been running
for a while, man.
>> Yeah.
>> After I haven't seen Barry in a while, I
quit watching.
Barry's the guy who had like the skull
gloves, right?
>> Well, he had the weird cars and all
kinds of stuff.
>> He was like the silver fox dude. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That had like
the bodyguard guy that was always with
him.
>> Profanity. That guy.
>> Watch out profanity.
>> Um yeah, but they they reached out.
there's a there's a there's a ca a cache
if you will of of ham radio equipment
potentially that's out there. Um so
yeah, we'll see how it goes. I'm not
going to talk anything more than that
because uh it sounds cool. It sounds
fun. It's not too far from my place. So
um I'm going to turn it into a we're
going to do a whole day of radio. I'm
going to expose a bunch of people to
radio that have never radioed before. So
it should be fun.
>> And then they're going to cut it down to
30 seconds. That's right.
>> Beat me to it.
>> Hey, that's that's fine. Just the
hottest the hottest B-roll you've ever
seen in your life. The hottest ham
B-roll that's ever been done before.
>> It's just a storage unit full of UV5RS.
>> It's just it's literally a pallet of
coax.
>> It's just so much bow fangs. Like, you
know who we need? We need Josh on this
one. He was always talking about bow
fangs as currency. How do we how do we
turn this into folding? Or even better,
it's it's like pallets of old World
World War II tube radios that no one
knows anything about.
>> Okay.
>> 610s.
>> So straight up, somebody was saying like
somebody was saying, "I wonder how
presscripted those shows are." So like
straight up everything they sent me
there's no like
>> it's it's it's literally somebody's like
it's it's radios. It's radios and
things. It's not like some kind of pre-
orchestrated thing. And you could see
there's there's there's a mentality
behind who the the buyer there.
>> We'll talk about it if they if they want
me on. If they want me on. Um, wait,
hold on. It's really funny. Hold on wait
wait wait wait. Is he still here?
Yes. So, they reached out to a couple of
people. Um, Bark is in the chat.
Are you still here, Mark?
>> Yeah, I'm still on. Did you actually
talk to anybody on the phone?
>> Uh, no, I didn't talk to them on the
phone. I I did look at all of the stuff
in the lots, though.
>> Yeah. So, um, it's very local to
Southern California where all this went
down. And so, they called us in Southern
California. They called they called me
and they called W6TRW because W6 TRW has
a fantastic amateur radio swap meet
where people sell used equipment. And,
uh, yeah. So, I think it's local. I
think it's local. I think somebody found
a a a spot. They found a storage thing
and they're like, "Yeah, here you go. We
got to we got to find some nerds to talk
about this stuff." And they're like,
"Call Josh quick. He's close."
>> Well, just based on what's in there, I
mean, it sure looks like it's it's it's
what you would expect to be in a lot
that belonged to somebody that would
stick it in a storage unit.
>> Yeah, totally. Yeah. I mean, uh, that's
that's all we need to say. Um, it will
be it will be my my hopefully, if I'm
allowed, I I would love to do this. It
would be my return to the to the TV
screen since my uh five out of six
episodes of Phantom Signals, which is
available on the Science Channel if
you're so inclined.
>> Did you get your SAG card?
>> No, they they ain't giving SAG card for
Science Channel crap.
That's what my wife asked me though.
She's like, "Do you think you could
parlay this into a SAG card?" And I'm
like, "No, I don't think so."
But eh, should be fun. Should be fun.
I don't know if I hopefully hopefully
they turn things into like a segment
like um
hopefully they have a YouTube channel
and they they put some of those segments
on the YouTube channel because that'd be
cool. I would uh maybe do a little
collab there, right? Like
go over my segment of when I was on uh
Storage Wars. That'd be cool. All right.
Uh any other questions? We got a a good
group still here. Is there anybody who's
just been waiting in the wings like Josh
and their nonsense talking about Peter
Cellar and AI? I'm so done with this.
I'm going to leave. Is there anybody who
has been waiting would like to say hi or
ask a question? Come to anyone. Come
now.
>> Josh, have you heard about the new app
that's going to be dropping in the next
I think it's two weeks for programming
your handhelds from your mobile phone?
>> Uh, no. Is it AI
after this whole conversation? Is it an
AI app?
>> Uh, no. It's Pocket Chirp. So, it's
chirping on Android. I'm not sure if
it's um going to be on uh Apple, but I
know it's definitely on Android cuz I'm
testing it at the moment.
>> Is it Is it like literally the Chirp guy
is making a phone app?
>> Uh, I think it's a different guy. Um,
>> so it's AI. So, it's AI.
>> It It's heavily based on Chirp.
>> Okay.
Do you Do you know that it's AI or like
not or
>> No, I don't know how he's he's done it.
So,
>> Okay.
>> It It may be AI. It may be that he's
literally sort of pulled Chirp down and
>> worked it back up from the ground up.
How do you feel if it is not the
original creator of Chirp and somebody's
just using the name Pocket Chirp and
getting the gravitas of that? That
bothers me a little bit. What do you
think?
>> Um,
I mean, Chirp haven't put anything out
for Android or iOS.
>> Wait, wait, hold on, hold on.
>> That I know of.
>> Yeah. Um, okay. But it's his it's his
name. It's
>> his name.
>> Yeah. I mean, as long as the
conversations have been had in the
background, I I don't see there being a
problem with it.
>> Are they talking to the original
creator?
>> I have no idea.
>> I I believe they have spoken.
Hey Josh, we um this pocket chirp has
been up on the the discord before and we
did talk and and uh the creator has
talked to the original chirp owner and
they apparently are okay with using the
name chirp.
>> Okay. Okay.
>> Um how the app how the app was developed
I don't know. It uses it uses a very
common type of UI that that that some u
uh um AI things do. So, uh I I don't
know it. Um but yeah, I suppose yeah,
the the creator said he did have their
their name and was going ahead with it.
Um yeah,
that's all that I know.
>> Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but what
wasn't Chirp uh open source or partly
open source?
>> Chirp is completely open source.
Please, please everybody be on the same
page with me when I say this. Um, if I
made
>> I don't even need to make a
hypothetical. If someone made the app
Chirp, just because it's open source,
that doesn't mean that you get to carry
that name into your own product on a
mobile platform. You should create your
own name.
Does everybody understand what I'm
saying?
>> That that that's why we asked.
>> Yes. Okay. Perfect. So, as long as you
got the creator's actual thumbs up, then
I'm good. I'm I'm happy to hear that.
I'm happy to hear that.
>> Call it.
>> I did actually DM you a um
>> I did actually DM you a video.
>> Oh, you did?
>> So, you can go a screenshot of it.
>> Okay. Where I'm I'm just going to pull
it up. When'd you send it to me?
>> Uh send it on Discord.
>> Yeah. When I get a lot of messages, man.
>> Uh, probably within the last half hour,
40 minutes.
>> Uh, I don't have Oh, wait, wait, wait,
wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I got it.
Okay. Can I Can I bring this up? You
gonna Is that cool?
>> Yeah, go for it.
>> Oh, YouTube. Okay, hold on. I'm going to
do this. We're doing this live. Okay, so
hold on, hold on, everybody. You will
have to watch me on YouTube, though, for
the full effect here. So, I appreciate.
Okay,
>> today we're taking a first look at
Pocket Chirp.
>> This is a new app that's in development
at the moment.
>> I am using your audio here, so I hope
you don't mind.
>> It's going to be out for general release
very soon.
>> Okay.
>> Um, the guys that are building this up
are putting fixes in left, right, and
center. Um,
>> okay. I'm going to pause here for a
second. So, I can set the vendor typew.
So I can say, you know, UV K5
uh add favorite. So is add favorite like
can I make a a CSV file of my favorite
repeaters and add those or how does that
work?
>> Um yeah, you can uh make a CSV file,
upload a CSV file. He's he's done a lot
more since I last um since I've done
that video. Um so it's I mean he's up to
version 2
05 I believe now.
>> Nice.
>> Um so there is there is quite a bit
extra onto what is there even down to um
Bluetooth programming. So you can now
program your your UV5R minis via
Bluetooth.
>> Okay. All right. So um
Okay. So there's a lot of radios that
have Bluetooth programming. So, it has
capability to connect to different
radios over Bluetooth. So, I don't have
to use like some crazy Chinese app.
>> Nope. Literally, he's um when you're
programming, say for instance the the
Quan Shang uh K5, if you've got a custom
firmware, you need a custom driver.
>> He's programmed them in there now.
>> Um there's custom drivers for the Yus.
So like the um FT70
>> um
>> where is he? Where is he? Where does he
where does he live? Where where is he as
a developer?
>> I believe he's US.
>> Really?
>> Okay. Okay. All right. All right. All
right. I my my my
skepticism is dropping right now. So I'm
I'm going to let me let me sally forth
here a little bit.
>> All little things on chirp.
>> Okay, we're reading. There's also
another button now that says
>> custom driver for the
>> um
>> jumping along,
>> but they've put you can use the here
ham. You can save the to the video isn't
the best on your phone. Um I've actually
got to do on it.
>> No, I mean it showing the thing is the
most important thing you can do in a
video and you are showing the thing. So
this is great. Um I'm
I like the layout. I do like the layout.
Okay. So can it query from common
repeater? Can it query from repeater
book for instance?
>> Uh I don't believe it can query from
repeater book but there give me two
seconds. I'll actually open it up on my
phone. But but if I can query from a
repeater book and get a CSV file and
then import that into the app, then that
resolves that problem.
>> Yeah. Um I'm just uh looking for
>> Okay. Okay.
>> The data source.
So data sources he has at the moment are
CSV file preset frequencies here ham
European repeaters AMSAT
uh pocket chart backups and radio
reference.
Okay.
I mean he's got a lot of channels here.
And I gotta be honest, that's one of my
biggest pet peeves about dealing with a
Bluetooth programmer is that I have to
type a bunch of crap in and then I can't
really save it off. Um, or if I can save
it off, I can't really import it back
in.
So
>> interesting. Right on. Well, I'll give
you a shout out. Ham Radio Horizon, I
dropped the link for your video. So,
you're you're going to post more updates
on as you go through the beta.
>> Yeah, I think that I think he actually
commented on that one um saying it was
releasing within two weeks.
>> He said, "Thanks. This is the coolest
app ever. Everybody should go download
it."
I'm just kidding.
>> Um so, yeah, within two weeks it should
be dropping hopefully. Um, I'm going to
do one more uh beta video on it
hopefully in the next I don't know two
week. Well, it's got to be within two
weeks. Um, probably in the next 48 hours
actually.
>> Okay. Right on, man. Cool. Well, thanks
for uh joining us. I appreciate it.
>> Is it absolutely Bluetooth only or would
it work through a USB interface between
the phone, the device, and the radio?
I was programming
um a UV5R,
a
K8, and a Bang UV21 all via a USB C
adapter to a USBA adapter so I could
plug the standard Chemwood cable in.
>> Awesome.
The the test I'm doing next is I've got
one of the multi-programming cables,
ones that got one USB and then eight
leads sticking out of it. So you can
program your chem, your icons, and
everything else. So that's that's the
next thing that I'm testing.
Right on. I appreciate that.
So, uh, really fast as a, uh, complete
side note because we were watching that
video, I saw that the, uh, the old Tube
Radio Network is live right now. Uh,
have you ever guys ever watch this
channel? I'm going to drop the link here
because he's he's live.
Um, you should go check him out, though.
Like old CB guy that just committed to
it, like fully committed. Just listen in
for a second. Let's hear Let's hear some
of this. a great collection he has
perused over the various years of the
old tube radio network and now there's a
few other stations that are checking
them in and I like that. So, uh we will
say standing by and listening for any
and all check-ins.
>> Awesome. So cool. I love his layout.
He's always had a cool layout on his
live stream. So awesome. So awesome.
Isn't that cool? Isn't this cool?
Totally awesome.
Yeah. big fan.
Big big fan. I do. I occas like couple
of times a year. I gotta be honest. I'm
kind of a busy guy, but um I just I love
I love his whole style. Like literally
his physical style and then all the
stuff he's got going on with the
overlays. Super cool guy. Seems awesome.
But anyway, big shout out. There you go.
Nothing but respect. Oh, wait, wait,
hold on. point thinking about uh getting
your ham radio ticket, especially since,
you know, cycle 25 is going down and you
might need a little bit of extra u
>> places to play in your uh two-way radio
endeavors.
>> Um getting that ham radio ticket is a
good thing to do. And um crash course
has multiple videos on uh radios and
antennas and
>> he just doesn't sit around. He I mean he
goes up the hill.
>> What I really love is the asymmetrical
with the positive and negative and plugs
it in and walks the walk and does the
talk and all that stuff. So anyway,
thanks for uh
uh thanks for joining us and uh what
what can I say? It's always nice when we
get uh a a celebrity or two. Let me also
jump in on the cross radio here. We got
to check him.
>> Okay. I love again classy dude. Love the
ste love the style. Love the overlays.
Love all that stuff. Super awesome. And
he's right. He's right. Like we are
rolling into a bit of you know solar
down. So it's going to be a bummer. The
CB is not going to be as great. That's
just the way it is. You can play in both
g like you can play in both parks. You
can be a ham radio operator and you
should you should do CB2. You should do
all the things. Nothing stopping you. So
big fan. Big fan. I don't know if he's
>> cut uniform November.
>> Okay, he's working. He's working his
net. So he'll let him do his thing. But
that's awesome. Super cool. Big fan.
Okay,
that's super cool. Uh I appreciate the
old equipment, too. I like the old tube
network. I like that they they keep them
up and running. I'm literally watching
in the background now. So, very cool.
All right. Um, I think I'm gonna take
one last call. One last call. Is there
anybody here that has a question?
Any kind of question or comment? Go
ahead. Last call. Last call. That's it.
Okay,
I'll take that. silences.
It's time to say hello to our ham radio.
You Well, it's YouTube friends. It's not
just ham radio, but Bill. Is Bill back?
Is Bill back? Is he with us?
>> Is he with us?
>> Bill has been all night, man.
>> No, Bill was not here when we were
talking about we needed somebody to
protect Delta's Wi-Fi. You were not
there.
>> You were not.
>> I was there. I I I answered in the
YouTube chat. No, but we need we need
the the the the sultry tones of Bill to
explain what he would do to the to the
hacker on the jetway if if you caught
him hacking Wi-Fi.
>> I will tell you that is about the
stupidest thing you can do. Uh pilots
definitely use the wifi to navigation is
in the aircraft but they definitely use
>> yeah it's in the aircraft but the the
Wi-Fi it's like we we still look at maps
and plans and management plans and we
you know all that stuff is in the Wi-Fi.
>> It's all in the Wi-Fi man.
>> Yeah. Ton of data that's all like about
what you guys do in the air.
We don't carry paper anymore, man. It's
all on the iPad.
>> That's right. Now,
>> no more Jefferson,
>> do you update like you you're carrying
local files on the iPad at the very
least, right? You you don't have to have
an internet connection for for your for
your pilot files.
>> Yes, we do. We have to Well, yes, we do.
So, um
>> I'm scared right now. Steve said Steve
said there's no more Jefferson. So all
our charts are in uh file format but
they have to be updated and uh uh
communications. So when we need to refer
to um the the files we we need we just
need the Wi-Fi. We need everything
working.
>> Yeah. like the sectional like and
there's a few paper products like the
sectionals are still available but like
an AFD
uh the um the all the approach plates um
all that stuff now is on your is on your
um EFB or electronic flight bag which is
essentially just a tablet at this point
>> but like you download files on the
ground
>> you're covered most you don't have to be
like on Delta Wi-Fi to get the files
right
>> you're mostly covered But a lot of if
you're referring to
>> um
>> it's the TFRs that'll kill you.
>> Well,
>> oh, sure.
>> If if you have to refer to something
that wasn't pre-planned, you you would
want uh access to any communication that
was uh available.
>> That makes sense. Okay.
>> Anyway, screwing with the Wi-Fi is a bad
idea, but um hey man, thanks for the
shout out. Thanks. Uh, how are you?
>> I'm good. Uh, I was hoping to have a big
celebratory live stream, but I think
that might have to wait till next week.
Uh, we'll see. The We don't know yet on
our on our huge program. Um, but big
things at work, man. Big big things
going on. So, I'm I'm excited to be here
as always.
And I feel like I'm at the DMV, though,
spiritually. It's I'm I'm stuck in a in
a limbo right now. So, next week I'll
have more I'll be more excited or not, I
guess. Either way, we'll we'll have a
finality.
>> Cool. Well, uh,
best of luck on everything, man.
>> Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate it.
All right. Uh, is Frank in the chat?
Actually,
is Frank here?
Oh, I think Frank So Frank's had a busy
schedule, so he he dropped in to hit us
with a hit me with the uh the list. I
appreciate that, Frank, if you're
watching. Uh so we'll give him a shout
out. So I appreciate you, Frank.
>> Josh.
>> Yeah,
>> Frank's Frank's back on the sick roster.
>> The sick roster.
>> Well, he uh he got put on bed rest by
his doctor again.
>> Oh, gotcha. Well, okay. So Frank is a
trooper because he still sent me a list.
which uh is amazing. So, thank you,
Ham Ham Radio Wilderness. Let's give
let's give Frank a shout out here. So,
hold on. I'm going to I'm going to pull
him up real fast.
Um he didn't have to do that. And if he
is
if he's
doing some medical stuff, his doctor
recommendation, all that. Let's give uh
Frank a shout out. dropping his link in
the chat, guys. If you haven't, give him
a shout out. Out of uh the kindness of
his heart, he took a look at the Discord
and he noted some of the YouTubers here
and he helps me out often cuz I don't
know everybody cuz if I I'll be honest,
I got to meet you like a couple of times
in person to be like firmly cemented in
my brain. That's the way my brain works.
And so, he often comes in here and
reminds me of some YouTubers I don't
know about. He does this all the time,
almost every week, and he's been a a
solid guy for that. And so, let let's
show him a little love. If you have not
supported him, given him a sub, please
do that now. And particularly if he's
not feeling well right now. So, Frank,
best of luck to you. I appreciate you.
And uh and yeah. So, okay.
Next on the list is Chris Atlas. Oh,
Atlas. We'd love Chris, are you here?
Technology.
What's going on, man? Are you here?
The the way that
the way that Frank does your your
channel corrects movies like, "Oh, it's
Atlas owner." You're like, "Oh, okay.
That's that's all I need really know
about." Are you here, dude?
Are you here?
Well, give a shout out to technology. He
might not be here right now.
He might not be here, but there you go.
Check him out. I saw I saw his mic go
from uh muted to unmuted.
>> Well, he's got he's got his doggo.
>> He's typing he's typing in the Discord
chat.
>> He's got his doggo. He's got to deal
with Atlas. Atlas is the uh floofiest
boy that you've ever seen at a hamfest.
So, if you're walking around a hamfest
and you're like, "That's the floofiest
boy I've ever seen." That's Atlas.
Technology is his owner and the link is
in the uh in the live stream. So, there
you go. If he comes back, we'll pull him
right in. Uh Brian
WQ0A
overland amateur radio. What's going on,
man? Are you here?
We outlasted everybody because we
started talking about Peter Sellers and
then we got on the old Tube Network and
other random 70s movies.
So, oh yeah, what's up, man? I totally
remember you from uh from Huntsville.
Right on. Loving it. Getting out there
now. Okay, let me just be straight up. I
appreciate that there might be some AI
going on here. I could be wrong. I do
like this thumbnail with the Tacoma. I
feel like that is a good thumbnail with
the with the text. I think that is done
well. The brass knuckles gang logo. I
got jumped in. All of that is good. good
use. Not to say I love how we got here
necessarily, but I think that's a good
use case. Could be wrong. It might not
be AI if I'm and I'm not trying to
disparrage you with that. I, you know,
that's just my looking at things and
thinking about things and commenting on
things. So, that means it's Don N5SKT.
Somebody whose call sign I know and
remember and know him because I've met
him multiple times. So, I know Don. How
you doing, Don?
And Don's gone.
Literally, Don's gone. Is Don gone?
Don's gone. Is he gone?
>> That's so
>> So, straight up though, that's an
example.
>> That's an example of somebody that's
like, "Yes, I I know Dawn. We've hung
out multiple times. He's been on the
live streams five ever.
Everybody's gone, man. I'm just out here
by myself. We're just going to talk
about now AI thumbnails. And speaking of
AI thumbnails, okay, here is to me not a
fantastic AI thumbnail with the with the
with the chimpanzee
reason. Let me explain why we are
looking at this on my computer via the
YouTubes, via your face balls and all
that stuff. I The title's great. The
Mercury Light ape doesn't believe in it.
That's funny because I think he's
talking about the smoking ape and that's
hilarious. But pretend you're on your
phone. Ready, kids? Ready?
There's your thumbnail on your phone.
I don't know if that's a radio or a
monkey or what's going on cuz like the
title pops. Mercury light ape doesn't
believe it. I can still kind of see it.
Let's see if we can enh enhance.
Enhance.
Enhance. That's a little bit better, but
I still can't really pull out the monkey
or the uh or the radio. That's the
problem generally with AI stuff is that
um they they get lost in the mobile
phone thumbnail game. Um and so if you
you see a lot of times on my on my
thumbnails,
I'm not saying this looks cool, but
there's contrast. I'll add a shadow or
something on the thing that I think is
cool. And I do that or I'd use high
contrast colors to to be like these
things are cool. You should look at
these things.
There's there there's my opinion.
There's my thought. Don, I'm trying to
slam you. Appreciate you, buddy.
Good friend. Drop the link in the chat.
Go show Don some love. Appreciate you.
All right. Next.
All right. Do me. Do me.
>> Are you next? Wait, hold on. Are you
next? It is. It's Greyman Pota. Greyman
Pota's next. What's going on, dude? I
I'll pull you up right now.
>> I'll pull you up right now. I'll pull
you up right now.
>> I'm I'm I'm waiting to get roasted here.
>> Okay. Go ahead, man.
>> What's going on?
>> Not much, man. Just uh you know, having
fun. It's a long long week at work, but
I tell you what, I got I got I got a
little burr in my saddle last week and
made a video that uh had some people
talking and uh I'm I'm kind of liking
it. I I think it's uh it's time we
changed the uh change the mantra and get
get out of this uh stop calling it cheap
Chinese junk.
>> Oh, I saw that. You did a little short
on that, too. I saw that.
>> Yeah. Not saying it's good, bad, or
indifferent, but it's it's the radio
that people can afford. And somebody
somebody mentioned in the comments, and
I I'm not sure who that was, and but the
thing they said was, "Hey, back in the '
50s, '60s and and even when I was a kid
in the 70s, it used to be cheap Japanese
junk."
>> That's right.
>> Um, and like some of our best
electronics brands now are are Japanese
and Korean. So, um, you know, it it's it
is what it is. And
uh you know at some point if we're going
to if we're going to be inviting to
people to get them in the hobby, we got
to we got to come to them. We can't just
and I and I call them You
can't be an about it and expect
people to want to stay around and and be
part of it.
>> Um may I play devil's advocate for a
second? Um because I think there is
still
cheap Chinese junk. I think it still
exists.
I don't I I think that I think that
China in general their their
manufacturing quality and their I would
say their understanding of what we're
looking for in products has improved
immensely. No question.
But there's still a number of Chinese
radios that fail spurious emissions test
and that's a problem for me. And so to
me that is junk purely on the technical
level that it should not be a product
that
someone should buy in the US.
>> I I don't argue with that. There's it's
it's it's either junk or it's not junk.
I don't think it has to be from one
particular place. Um, and there's a lot
of commercial stuff. It's stuff that we
buy that comes from China that uh has
regular names on it. I mean, somewhere
around here I got a Yazu radio that's
got made in China on it.
>> So, I mean, anybody catch that? Anybody
catch that?
>> Every your uh your your Apple iPhones
come from uh from China.
>> Yeah.
>> Um and they're great and we pay
thousands of dollars for them. Yeah.
Every every Cisco router
>> Yes.
>> comes from China.
>> Yeah.
>> Uh most of the Cisco materials that that
I I get, you know, come from somewhere
other than the United States.
>> And it's such a distinction and I I
think maybe the the uh maybe this is a
good clarity point that you can make is
that
I can go buy a $17 bow fang, which we've
joked about forever, and it passes
spurious emissions tests. It is a It is
an okay VHF UHF transmitter that meets
the FCC standards. It meets all the
requirements to be a radio that someone
buys in the US. You could pay $20 more
and get a Chinese radio that will fail
those same tests. You know, to me, the
more expensive radio is junk. The $17
radio is good, and I would recommend
people buy that, and I have. So, like
that's my duality is junk sometimes
implies cheap. In my case, junk implies
it's a violation of the rules that we
should all hold ourselves up to
regarding sperious emissions.
>> Oh, no disagreement there.
>> Oh, no. I think so. What do you think
about my my uh
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay,
so I'm looking at the thumbnails. I I I
will be honest. If you have to use AI, I
think you should salt and pepper it in
in the mix. You've done a You got a lady
here. The lady's possibly a human.
That's a stock photo. That's fine.
>> Oh, yeah. You know, the ladies
the ladies draw the people to the videos
that they do. The ladies know. I Okay,
by the way, that's that's a uh not a
Rubicon hit that bat. He hit that ball
way out of the park because he was using
ladies for a long time and getting tons
of views from people and it's just like
a stock photo. Yeah, it it does. It
pulls people in. But I like the fact
that you're in a lot of the thumbnails.
You may have other AI stuff going on.
Actually, I take that back. It looks
like most of your AI thumbnails are not
with you in them, right? Am I wrong?
This Allstar one looks like it's AI. So
is the tiny switch
>> or the one mic. Um, a lot of your stuff
though is just with you in the picture
holding the thing, which is great.
>> I I like the high contrast of the blue
the blue Bronco and the orange antenna.
I think honestly I think a lot of time
is shot composition. You just do a
better job if you frame the thumbnail
and you did a really good framing with
the green background and the white text
and the black borders. It pops really
well.
Uh, let's see.
I don't know if the tactical upgrade
here is a AI or not. It is. Is it?
Your UV5R is missing this tactical
accessory. Is that Is that AI?
>> Oh, yeah. That's that's that's an AI,
>> is it? Oh, that's pretty good. Cuz that
could be a picture that I took. I guess
the lighting is a little weird.
Um,
okay. So, I I will say this one, the sad
ham alert with the with the kerogyny
guy,
very AI that comes across. So, so we'll
do the same thing. We'll do the same
thing. I will I will come I'll come off
this and I'll just we'll let's pretend
it's a phone. Where did it go?
And then yeah, so it's it's a dude and
sad ham alert pops. So I see that. But I
don't know what he's looking at. I don't
know if it's a human. I guess it is.
>> Yeah,
>> I think he's looking at a radio.
>> Yeah, he's looking at a box. He's upset
about something.
>> I will I will say that you are you are
you are a better use case of my of my
example earlier.
Yeah, I like I think he was upset that
that was using his 40 meter am uh uh
band.
>> How dare you?
>> His personal 40 meter AM band.
>> How dare you? I remember that. I watched
that video. Yeah.
>> Honestly, this is that's one of my
favorite ones is your wife.
Get out.
>> Get out. The font the font honestly is
not good in a mobile.
>> But your face is what drew me in.
>> Is that you? Is that really you? Did you
take that picture? Is that a See, that's
good. I can get human emotion from that.
>> I like that.
>> Those are those are two different
photos. So the I took the photo
of me.
>> But see, that's the thing. That's the
crazy thing that AI won't tell you is
that you don't have to have the same
pictures in the same picture. You could
put another picture on top of a picture.
You could do whatever. You could just be
out here doing whatever you want. But
your face was was my favorite part about
that uh thumbnail. So there you go. So
>> that's the old crap. I'm in trouble.
>> No, I like it. A two year I mean we we
we've definitely gone down the rabbit
hole. I will say I think that the high
contrast thumbnails do better over time.
Maybe not with the lady. Maybe you
making that face, but then you'll get
weird people complaining that like, oh,
he made the he made the YouTube face
that he Oh, he's so Is he really that
shocked?
>> Is he really that surprised that the
Mark 2 is that that surprising? I don't
know. I generally I don't have that much
complaints. I think you do a smattering
of it like a like a seasoning a se you
do a little salt bay on on on the
thumbnails which I think is okay.
>> Yeah, I try to
>> Yeah. Okay.
Appreciate you, man. Thanks for hanging
out.
>> Thank you.
>> Jonathan, my boy KM4 CFT, are you still
here?
Oh, I just got done making a a sweet
sweet CTF one an original. I'll I'll
give the shout out here. That guy, I'm
telling you, if you're if you're into
CW, this is actually a really really
nice receiver. It's It's a very very
good receiver. So, I will I will give
the uh the ultimate shout out here.
Let's uh let's see. FT1.
There we go.
So he he has now where we're at over at
Ham Gadgets, he has a version two which
if you watch my live stream at Dayton
Hamvention,
he's got uh an SWR meter on it so that
it'll actually plot out your antenna and
it has a backup speaker. Now he argues
that the backup speaker is because you
forgot your headphones at home. So, you
should not be depending on it, but you
still won't completely fail your
activation uh because you will have it
available. So, and it's a cool kit. So,
if you watch along with my video, I
posted about a little bit over an hour
long video on the first part of it and
then the second part we basic basically
wrap it up and then do the calibration.
So, good kit, lot of fun. Um, I think
it's probably
late beginner in soldering, early
intermediate. I It's not QMX hard. It's
easier than a QMX to put together from
my my point of view. I actually really
like building it. Fun video.
Uh, Contry James, how often do you do
ham radio versus YouTube? Contry. I
don't think I understand your question.
Why must those two be at at odds with
each other? Please tell me more.
Next
is Dave the hillbilly ham, who I saw
earlier, so I think he might be in the
chat. Do we have a Do we have one
hillbilly ham?
He was here. He was hanging. Oh, we went
way long. Oh my god, we're over an hour
normally where I wrap things up. That's
my bad.
That's my bad. I got my uh my sisters,
my wife's sisters are over right now.
They're staying with us. So, I'm just
hanging out here with you guys.
I'm kidding. I love my uh my
sisters-in-law.
No, that's that's not it. But of course,
there's another group that calls
themselves hillbilly hams. Uh,
how does one find the hillbilly ham?
He left. Thank you. Thank you so much
for this piece of information. All
right, let's see if we can we can do it
the the oldfashioned way. Hillbilly
Ham.
The Hillbilly Kitchen.
Hillbilly Hams amateur radio club.
different.
Oh, I might be all screwed up right now.
Is it the Hilly Hams Club?
I gotta be honest.
Okay,
>> you already put the chat in the link in
chat.
>> Thank you. Thank you for dropping the
link.
Hey, we got it. We got it. Maybe. There
we go.
Thank you, Jody, for dropping the link.
Um, okay. Same same game. We're going to
do the same thing. We're we're doing the
thing. By the way, uh, she's on
frequency. That's a good thumbnail with
the with the opaque back high contrast
background. Thumbnail. A little chaotic
on the ATS. Nobody's going to read that
lower text. This is complete chaos.
There's the text is so small. So, watch.
Here we go. Ready?
Burp.
I don't know what's going on over here
on this side part. I don't know what's
going on. She's on frequency. Can
totally read that. ATOSS 120 Mag. Yep, I
can read it. I'd like the magount to
pop. Separate it. You know, do a do a
transparency. Pop the magount up. Put a
little halo around it. Make it pop.
Don't know what's going on on this one.
Don't know what's going on that one.
Does location matter? Yeah.
Reus. I saw the Reus logo. So, that
popped. Okay, there you go. See, you
just just got to pretend like you're on
a phone.
All right. Next is
Mark Boondock Echo, local Pacific voice.
>> Did I hear that? He's here. Yeah,
how's it going?
>> How you doing, man? What's going on,
dude?
>> Good. How you doing? Hey, go over to
hamradio.com
and type in echo or tango.
>> Okay. Hey. Oh, we're doing the thing.
We're doing the thing. Oh, yeah.
>> All right. Here we go.
>> ham radio.com.
Who has that URL, kids? It's not Dolly
Parton. It's ham radio outlet. And so,
if I search Echo
Boondock Technologies
is at ham radio outlet.
Are they in Anaheim? Woo.
>> Are you Are you at Anaheim?
>> All roads lead to Anaheim.
>> Well, we just got it up, so they don't
even have our stock information there
yet.
>> Do you Do you need me to pick up the
supply and drop it off at the Anaheim
store to speed things up for you?
>> No. Um, so our contact after Huntsville
ended up going on vacation and he isn't
back yet. So, they flipped the switch to
get us live. But as far as like when I'm
supposed to drive them down there and
hand them off, I couldn't tell you. but
it's in the works. So, we It's progress.
I like progress.
>> I like it.
>> I like it.
>> And then we had another another super
busy week um over on Ham Radio 2.0,
Jason Sunday night live stream.
>> I think it's his most popular in months
cuz we're 28k views now. Yeah, cuz we we
talked about Wilmington Skyworn and we
have Edge software now that you can load
on something as simple as a Pi and you
can do the transcriptions locally if you
don't have internet or
you can send them to our servers. We're
going to do a tokenbased thing where you
can buy um
right, you know, we're still kind of
working on the details, but that'll be
out here pretty shortly. But, you know,
you get your own Raspberry Pi. Uh Jeff
the ham radio nomad has done some
programming to make this super easy to
install. So you just do one wget and
then uh an install script and you've got
an edge up and transcribing locally
connected to your docs. It it's all
automatic. You did a fantastic job. So
if um like Adam could have a search and
rescue box without much work um or
skyworn the integration could work.
There's a lot of lot of really cool
applications to this. Um,
what we want or not want but expect is
that people are going to use our servers
because we believe we can do it faster,
cheaper, and more accurately than what
most people are going to be able to do
at home. Now, all that being said, if
you have like an Nvidia Spark, you know,
Justin Spark or something, yeah, you're
going to do a Bingup job, but most
people aren't going to go drop $4,500 on
a computer to save a nickel of
transcription or whatever it is we end
up charging. Um, and then I was also on
Clubhouse. That was a lot. Oh, buddy, we
got in trouble there. Um, I ended up
convincing a lot of people to uh get
comprehensive car insurance cuz, you
know, we were talking about the high
price of gas and I'm like, you know,
just get the comprehensive coverage. I
mean, as far as they're concerned, you
could go get your uh your car mat, roll
it up into a funnel and start dumping,
you know, Zeas into the dang thing to to
get the gas gauge back. We man, we were
making bad choices. Very bad choices,
but it was a whole lot of fun.
>> What What does that have to do with
comprehensive? Because you just make a
claim because your engine blows up.
>> Well, it would be their engine, but
Yeah.
>> wouldn't be their Oh. Oh, you're not
doing this to your vehicle.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We were
just We were I was just going off on a
far tangent. Um talking about, you know,
speed bumps at 20 mph, all that sort of
thing. And then
>> they redirected me and I talked about
Boondock,
>> let me tell you. So yeah, it was we were
just having fun.
>> Okay, so let me let me go back. So I'm
on Jason's live stream. 28,000 views on
a live stream is really impressive. So
why do you think it was so popular?
>> I Well, we promoted it internally to as
many Skyworn, you know, we did buy a
little bit of ad space. Not much. I
think you know, like 50 bucks worth.
>> What do you mean buy space on what?
>> What do you like? Is there is there an
internal Skyworn ad network that I'm not
aware of?
>> Well, no, but like we uh my social media
guy um you know did some targeted ad
things to get people to watch this and I
sure hope they were Skyworn and amateur
radio operator type people. But um
mostly I think it's just people think
it's a pretty neat app. Skyworn's big.
the spotter network's big um and this
makes their job easier. The the
Wilmington Skyworn uh operators console
and then you have the transcription
addin which makes net control just that
much easier if you've got six channels
coming in. You just read them. You don't
have to worry about pileups anymore. Can
you can you um Does it Okay, so I'm I'm
I'm I'm I'm
pulling in the details.
>> I'm assuming you can have this notify
your phone or your email and all that
stuff too, right? Like proper boondock
style.
>> Oh, it gets even better. Uh there's a
full-on API. So, if you want, you can,
you know, that one of the things we'll
be doing next is doing some Node Red
type stuff, turning uh USB relays on and
off and all that sort of fun stuff.
>> Oh, okay. All right. Well, we'll
>> So, yeah. And the APIs the API is
documented in there, too. So, you um you
can do a whole lot more than just email
now.
>> Oh, that's cool. Well, awesome.
I uh I think that's really cool. 28,000
views is no joke on a live stream, guys,
by the way. Like, that's big. Most live
streams don't ever go that big in the in
the radio community. So, that's awesome.
And an incredibly useful capability. I
love the fact that you can drag all that
stuff together and notify people based
off of their location. That's I love
that.
So,
>> um and you know, if you if you want us
to come on, Josh, we could be convinced.
I'm just saying.
>> We'll do it. We'll do it. We'll do it.
But now that you've done a Jason live
stream, we got to wait like a month
because then he's going to be like, hey,
I did this first. I'll hear him in the
next hand. I did it first.
>> Hey, you remember Mark? You did a live
stream. Like, I already did that. And
I'm like, bro, Mark's in my backyard,
dog. I just I've been busy, man. I've
been busy.
>> It's cool. It's cool. Jody's asking
like, "How do we buy ads?" And I'll be
honest with you, man. I don't know. Um
I've got a guy I He does a great job. I
I give him money and he sends things,
you know, things through for approval
every week or so and like he's doing
newsletters now and signing my name to
him and
>> it's like
>> I'm sure he's using AI
>> the atache case commerce model so you
you have to exchange via
>> his name's and I meet him every morning
for like 15 30 minutes and he's amazing
guy named May.
Uh, my
>> mank
is he Thai?
>> Uh, Indian.
>> Indian. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. All
right.
Great guy. Super excited and energetic
and loves loves it, which is great cuz I
don't. So, it's a match made in heaven.
>> Oh, interesting.
I need a Miak. I like it. All right.
Well, thanks, man. I appreciate you. Oh,
thank you, Josh.
>> All right. Uh, next is one Mark Soda
Plus, the the I was trying to think of a
a cool catchphrase for Mark, the ground
pounder of the South Bay Summits. How's
that sound?
>> I'm not sure it rolled off the tongue,
but I'll take it for now.
>> We'll work on it. We'll work on it.
>> I was going to say, how are you doing,
but I know how you're doing. You've been
live streaming for a while,
>> dude. I'm like this whole week I'm
stressed, man. I'm strapped.
>> Well, I haven't put anything on the
channel, but I will tell you there are
two things tonight that are worth
mentioning. One is the BKG safety page
because safety is very important.
>> God, oh, I got the most nerdiest gang of
all time.
>> Have you seen the safety page yet?
>> No, I haven't. What? What is the safety
page?
>> Well, it's about the safety of the uh
shings, of course.
It's how many days have we gone since
breaking one.
>> Uh, no, this is not the right page. I'm
not
>> So, if you go to bkg.club and look at
the top, there's now a page called
safety.
And as a club member, when you
inevitably break a shing in probably
embarrassing circumstances, you are
obligated to report it to club
leadership where you will be named and
shamed appropriately.
Uh
>> oh. Because people are modifying it.
>> Yeah, you're popping THESE THINGS OPEN.
>> OH, BECAUSE IT it's it's uh murdering a
Shang because you you modified it to do
CW. Okay.
>> Performing club violence here.
>> Oh, I get it. Tore the screen off of one
for the Florida.
Oh no.
>> That's actually really funny.
>> So yeah, new new feature. So anybody
who's joining the BKG and damage is a
shing, make sure to report your
violence.
>> That's really funny. That's really
funny.
But uh what's going on with you? You had
a uh you had quite a luminary in the uh
ham radio space on on the podcast here
recently.
We did and we mentioned it a little bit
last week, but uh I am still glowing
from having K4SWL
Thomas on our podcast with Ara in
>> I got I got to ask why why is Thomas not
in between you and Ara?
>> What happened here?
>> Um
there's a backstory there and the
backstory goes to Brian NR7Y.
He was our our previous superstar sofa
guest and Brian has a minor neck injury
and originally we had the guest in
between us on the sofa and Brian said
look if I set sit between you by the end
of a two-hour discussion I won't be able
to use my neck for the rest of the day.
>> Oh after me he was after me then.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. So, we switched the position and
what we realized is logistically it
worked out way better. So, I can run the
screen switching from the end of the
sofa.
>> Yeah.
>> Which means that we don't actually need
somebody off screen running that
>> and then the guest can look at both of
us simultaneously. And it it's been
working out pretty well. So, that's why
Thomas was at the end of the sofa.
>> Okay, I gotcha. I like it.
>> Okay. And it turns out almost all of our
guests have neck injuries because um
>> we're ham radio operators, man.
>> Thomas is a is a really cool guest. Uh
I'm going to drop the link for
everybody. Uh not that with the
SharePoint. I just want to copy see if
that copies without the time.
>> I think the thing about Thomas that
stands out is he is one of the genuinely
nicest humans that may have ever
existed. I yeah, I think that's a I
think that is an imperatively true
statement. Like if you think about the
hurricane that they went through and
just his resolve to help people,
salt of the earth type of guy. Totally.
Totally.
>> It and it comes through in his Morse
code, you know, Morse code. People talk
about the fist
>> but the the way that the fist comes
through on air
>> it it can be kind and he has a genuinely
kind way of doing Morse code. So when
you learn Morse code by watching Thomas
videos
>> he has a kind fist and I so you know I I
learned a lot from watching Thomas'
videos. I think a lot of us did. So
having him on the podcast meant a lot
because you know he's a superstar man.
We've all been there. Um,
>> always great.
>> I I love also um
this might h I don't know how you'd make
this a video. I don't want to rob the
glory of this story because I think the
story is really good. This should almost
be like oh god I don't know if you're
willing to do this like the afteraction.
Um, maybe you have this on video. Is
Thomas's
experience activating and being a ham in
SoCal?
>> Do you have that in video somewhere that
you can make a video on?
>> So, I actually don't, but Adam does.
Somebody should make that video because
it's it's a really because Mark and I
talked and and we talked on the phone um
a couple of days ago
>> and he was talking about the duality of
being east coast ham versus like a west
coast ham because he got to experience
that life for a little while when he was
out here and it's different. It's it's
truly different and I would I would love
it if somebody could could make that
video and like do it in
I say documentary way, but you know what
I mean? Like just just put that info
out. I think it'd be really interesting.
>> Yeah. Well, it's not necessarily a
documentary, but we will have the actual
full activation hopefully soon on Adam's
channel.
>> Nice.
>> Where you'll get to see Thomas activate
the West Coast for the first time ever.
And
>> you'll get to see him on a 2- m pileup
just looking
>> very confused about what's happening cuz
the East Coast doesn't get that.
>> No, it's it's a different game. Totally
different.
>> It's a different game. It's very special
here. So, I'm I'm looking forward to
when Adam releases that video. And then
Thomas also recorded a video when he
came out. So, hopefully he'll also
launch one.
>> Oh, yeah. That would be really great.
Oh, I would love to hear Thomas's own
narrative on what he thought California
was like activating from. That would be
really cool.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, and and of course he
made his in the classic Thomas format,
you know, which is him looking at his
hands very calmly doing Morse code. And
then the Adam format is, you know,
significantly more chaotic and
energetic, right? So, it'll be very
different views of the exact same event.
>> Yeah. Oh, that's cool. All right. Well,
I'm excited. All right. Well, thank you,
buddy. The the last note I wanted to
make because you were talking about the
the POTA restructuring today.
>> Yes.
>> The the POTA organization is run by
volunteers.
>> Sure.
>> And the fact that you can run something
at that scale with that complexity with
all of the international laws and
regulations that dictate park structure
is insane that they're even trying it.
>> I agree. I agree.
at the same time.
>> Well, no, go ahead. Finish your thought.
>> Well, I was I was going to say and they
they put together this board what, two
or three years ago.
>> Mhm.
>> And they've been trying to add on a
layer of structure and governance
to not only make it more visible, but
accountable.
>> And seeing a volunteer organization
completely unpaid hold themselves
publicly accountable has been very
impressive. So, I just wanted to give
kudos to the board because that's hard.
>> Yeah, I I would say so, too. Um the only
thing that I would
my my commentary on that is
I think
that
when you realize the fact that POTA is
now the international
phenomena that it is that you have to
start being a little bit more open to
other countries realities.
Not even like, oh, I I beg you to do
some special treatment for me. No, it's
just the the reality is there. It's like
they can't they can't line up the same
as the way we do things in America. So,
okay. All right. Let's figure out how we
make that work. I I would hope that's
what's happening, but I'm worried that
it's not.
I'm glad that we're having the
discussion and that we can see how the
discussion is being had. So, the fact
that we can have an informed discussion
on your live stream tonight with
visibility into the board's processes,
it's great.
>> Happy to see the discussion and I don't
know where it's going to go, but it's
good. It's healthy for the community.
So, and thank you for leading the
community in that discussion tonight.
>> I I hope so. I hope people take this the
right way. It's not me poking at them
saying that they're wrong. I'm I'm just
trying to remind people. It's like this
is supposed to be an international
thing that we're doing, international
goodwill. And you you got everything
solid in the US. No question. And again,
I agree. Volunteers doing amazing work.
No question.
It's that it's still an international
phenomenon and it it there's a little
bit of
>> working together. We got to figure out
how to make it work. I I I it sounds so
it sounds so cheesy when you say it like
that, but
>> um ultimately at the end of the day it's
like how do we how do we figure out how
to make the American rules that are
clearly workable in America work in
other countries? Will they work whole
cloth the same way here? No. We No.
Particularly in in in many European
countries, they won't work. So like how
do we make it how do we make it work?
Let's do it. It's the right thing to do.
Let's make it work.
>> Absolutely. Well said. Anyway, I'll talk
to you next week.
>> I appreciate you. How how how is uh your
other project you're working on, your
your Progyny? How's it going?
>> It's it's it's it's uh it's going well.
Good.
>> And uh we expect we expect good results.
>> Good. I I expect to see uh When's your
next PMR on the baby project?
Uh we we're doing a PMRS uh on a regular
basis. And
>> yeah, with the with the doctors and the
nurses and the people that matter,
>> but could you bring me a week toe metric
for PMR? I would love to see what your
metrics are. How can I help you?
>> As we always as we like in all of my
weekly status meetings, line goes up.
>> How can I help you, Mark? How can I help
you? Help. Help. Help is a is a is a
four-letter word in in all uh
contracting spaces.
>> Exactly.
Yeah. No, everything's going well. Yeah.
Life is good.
>> Oh, wait, wait. I got a I got a hot ask.
Um, how's Ormo? How's Ormo doing? Jod's
asking. Jody.
>> Oh, she's God, she's so orange.
>> She's the most orange. currently. She's
currently sitting on a piano bench
staring at the piano trying to decide if
it's food.
>> Good, good, good update. Strong update.
I appreciate it. Thank you.
>> Yeah.
>> Thank you.
>> So, orange.
>> Very good. All right, Mark. Take it
easy, man. I appreciate you.
>> All right,
that means
it's time for the last
Aaron modern Morse Keys. Are you still
here? Rolla, are you still here?
>> Nope, not here.
>> The trash can is here. How's it going,
man?
>> How you doing, man?
>> Oh, what's going on, dude?
>> Oh, that was uh Mark's comments were uh
fantastic. And uh I found it I found it
funny cuz like he's talking about neck
injuries and I just sustained a severe
neck injury like two weeks ago.
>> Why?
>> And I was like, "Oh man, must be a
thing." Oh, I collapsed a disc in my
neck and it caused all sorts of nervous
system problems. But I'll if you want to
know more, I'll catch you on 80 meters
later. How about that?
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Actually,
yeah, hit me up on 80. We're not that
far. Oh, wait, wait. Where are you?
>> I take that back.
>> Yeah, exactly. So, yeah. Other than
that, I um I am going to post a video
next week. I have to learn how to edit
videos. Um but it's uh it's
CNC shop drama, I guess you could say. I
uh I I rented a scissor lift and I was
retrofitting everything in the shop
because the ceilings are too high for me
to get to with a ladder. So I was
climbing my big 350 some pound frame
>> up a uh you know up a scissor lift
probably load you know overrating the
load capacity on it.
Um but doing all that converting the
whole shop to LED so that uh
>> you know we don't um
>> Yeah. And I had there's a learning curve
there. I actually had to learn how to
like
>> remove ballasts and put in the new tubes
and all that stuff. So that
>> Yeah. Yeah. For LED. Sure. Yeah.
>> Yeah. For all that stuff. So that was
fun. It's just uh we've had 100 degree
weather. So even my shop that's air
conditioned when you're 25 feet up in
the air on a scissor lift. It's 110
degrees at the ceiling. So
>> Oh yeah.
those
very sweaty videos I was shooting. So,
but uh other than that, no, everything's
great. Uh love the conversation you had
today. Um excellent live stream. I mean,
just I I think you had a you probably
ran late, not because of me, but because
you had a really good conversations and
I appreciate that. So, thanks for doing
that.
>> Um I I think the conversations of AI
will continue until we're all dead. I
think that's what I've I've learned is
that we we have them and then we have
more of them and then we keep having
them.
>> Well, correction, at some point AI will
start having the conversations with
itself once we're all dead.
>> Uh well, sure. I expect it to uh as
Selen Deion said, the AI must go on. Uh
so
or my my AI will go on. And I guess
that's the proper uh use of the the
lyrics. I I don't know. I'm just I'm
kind of uh I will say I am a bit
exhausted by the people who who reach
out to me and be like, "Hey, review my
AI product." It's like, "Oh, bro.
I'm so tired. I'm so tired."
That's fair. And and in a lot of cases,
things should just come, I guess,
organically. Like if something starts to
pick up pace as a product by itself
instead of like shortcutting their way
directly to you, you know,
>> uh like
>> Yeah. You know,
>> let things build on it. Let things build
on its own.
>> I I would argue that your keys are a
fantastic example of that. like I you
showed me your key at a ham invention
years many years ago and I said I would
buy one and I didn't get the word out
for your keys. I didn't have to do that.
It was kind of like just a grassroots
thing that happened and and it grew in
popularity from I don't think any
particular creators push. I would argue
that, you know, Mike did a really good
video series with you for a custom key,
but I would say that the the surge in
popularity was already well in in effect
before Mike got involved. So, um,
you're a prime example from my point of
view. You make good stuff, people will
find out and they'll love it and then
and then they'll want to have it. Like
that's Yeah, that's how it should all
work.
>> Yeah, I agree with that completely. So,
other than that, I got a I got four
fangs or shangs, I guess. I got four
Shangs sitting on the bench. And when I
finally get a chance, I'm probably gonna
have to update the safety page for BKG
because I know I'm going to blow at
least one of them.
>> Yeah, it's not hard. It's really easy.
It's really You go watch my video or go
watch uh Actually, I got a video on it
and so does Mark. Uh Mark Knight's got
one. Soda Plus.
>> Cool. Yeah, that'll be good. I I want to
3D print my own like prison edition case
for one.
>> So like in different colors. So I've
I've I have a really nice 3D scanner for
work and I'm going to abuse that by
making an entire like high resolution
STL front and back of the whole thing
insides and everything so that I can
make a cool case for it that I can resin
print.
>> There you go. Cool.
>> Cool.
>> All right, man. I appreciate you. Thank
you so much for hanging out with us and
I will talk to you soon. Take it easy.
All right, we have uh we have now hit
the end of all of our friends here on
YouTube. So, I'm going to say goodbye to
them, but I I have something I'm going
to do on the live stream to wrap things
up. So, hang out for a second. Take it
easy, everybody on the Discord. Thanks
for hanging out and I will uh I'll talk
to you talk to you soon. 73.
Okay. Didn't hear anything. Love you,
too. Bye-bye. Just like my wife. I'm
leaving, honey. Bye-bye.
Just silent.
>> Okay. See you.
>> All right. So, we're we're open to this
Pokemon pack. I don't know where this
No, my wife my wife actually walked it
in on the last live stream. So, we're
going to we're going to Pokemons. We're
doing some Pokemons. Uh, she gave me I
gotta say Burger King,
if you're not getting a Whopper, um, you
you should not be going to Burger King.
The Whopper, good burger, decent burger.
The fries you have to eat immediately.
Like, they are just not acceptable at
any time. Um, but I did get uh Super
Saiyan Vegeta, which arguably the best
the best. I will open this even though
my kid
he already cut it. So yeah, I should
just open it.
Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
Do do like me some Vegeta. That's one of
my favorite characters. So there you go.
Okay. So Pokemons.
I have not opened a package of cards
in six months.
I don't even know where they got these
cards from. I don't even know.
I don't even know where this came from.
Got a little uh lesser Pokemons. This
little forest leaf guy. Not a Bulbasaur.
Not a Bulbasaur.
Comes with a
call for family. Search your deck for up
to two basic Pokemon and put them onto
your bench, then shuffle.
That's not bad.
Kind of weak though. Anyway, that that
could be for loading up your bench. I've
actually played the Pokemon game because
my kids bought a lot of Pokemon cards
and they're like
trash at at playing card games and so
then they bring me in to explain it and
I showed them how to make like actual a
good Pokemon deck. Pokemon is so much
easier than playing Magic the Gathering.
Let me just say that. Uh, okay.
There we go. We got it. Split it down
the spot. I have opened packs before in
my time. I don't know what good is. Like
I don't know if you're supposed to flip
cards or anything like that, but um
these are all trash.
There's definitely Oh. Oh, what is this?
Uh no, that's uncommon.
Crowbat. Okay, sure. Crobat.
Oh, a nitro an energy literally as long
as it provides if this card is discarded
attack used by a Pokemon is tied to it
to Okay, that's kind of cool. Basic.
Wow, what a what a pack. What a what a
pack. My rare card was a nitro energy.
Sweet.
Super sweet.
Uh, in big news though, I got a number
of people that said that Josh, you're
you're uh you're not you're not doing it
the way it should be done. What you need
what you need is some proper Navy.
Navy.
Oh, come on.
Oh my god. There we go. Uh, some proper
Navy. What was it? 67
or is it 73
by 67
by
33
solder. So I am told that this cuts down
on the pooling the fluid pooling of lead
solder. The 6040
6337. There it is. All right. Thank you.
Yeah. Um, that's that's the jam. That's
okay. So, this is this is the solution
to all of my problems that I didn't
have, but I said I'd try it. But I said
I'd try it. I'm fine with the the 60/40.
I'm a big 60/40 supporter. Always been,
always will be. But we'll try it. We
will try the 6337. Three three bits
more. There you go. All right, guys. Uh,
I am done. 73 to you. have a great rest
of your wonderful holiday weekend. I
will try to hop on to Jason Hamo 2.0's
uh live stream he's doing. He's going to
do a happy hour tomorrow. I will try to
be there. I'll do my best unless uh
unless my wife has better ideas for me.
until I talk to you.
73.
See you.
It's just such an arbitrary amount to
get that picky about. I feel like it's
too picky. Like, oh, really?
Three. Three bits more.
>> Let's play a game.
>> Anyway, I'll try it. Um, I do
I do have a bit coming up, a kit build,
a huge kit build. Um,
yeah, what the hell? I'll show you right
now. Who's still watching? Step up like
a man. They give us a call. They give us
like a man. They give us a call.
>> So, I'm putting together a hailhound.
And you might be like, "Oh,
yeah. It's like hacker bits." By the
way, this website's awesome. Just so
cool. But, so I got this kit, right?
Check this out. So, here's the build
guide. Literally, it's its own little
thing. Um, I I just want I just want
everybody to appreciate. So, here's
parts. You need these. You get some
parts. Get your parts on all that stuff.
Here's the wiring diagram. All right.
Yeah. Boost buck boost charge battery.
That is an insane wiring diagram.
>> I am
hail's cool. No question. Building it
though. Oh my god. I am uh I don't know
if I shall recover from this, but this
is a lot. This is a lot.
I can do it. It's just not the normal
soldering that I'm used to.
>> So, there's that. Look for that video
real soon.
>> Take it easy, everybody. Have a great
rest of your weekend and see you