What are some biohacks or some
interventions that you use or believe in
but you don't have any data to support?
What are some of the things that you're
like, I [ __ ] love this and I know
that it works for me. The doctor in the
corner is shaking her head. We'll get to
that.
>> Oh, yeah. Let's go. Let's go.
Let's go bro science.
Uh, biocharger. Have you ever seen this?
>> Oh my god, I have one.
>> Borrowed one. Tony Robbins
>> Oh, I have one.
>> Doctor backed me up.
>> No, I don't. I don't.
>> [laughter]
>> I don't.
So,
>> You don't have a biocharger?
>> I have a biocharger.
>> Facebook marketplace it.
>> No. I Okay, so I saved a patient's life
and she said, "Pick any a piece of
equipment that you want." And she keeps
talking about this biocharger. She's
like, "My sex drive is up. It's like the
best thing ever." I'm like, "Okay, well,
I already have a sauna. I already have a
cold plunge."
>> What about the biocharger?
>> Yeah, but so I got a I have a
biocharger.
>> How did you find it?
>> Great. My husband, he's like, "I feel
this." I mean, who knows? But,
>> It does It does red light.
>> it work?
>> It's like a I don't know if it's radio
frequencies based on a Tesla coil
surrounded by 12 noble gases in tubes.
>> And there's zero clinical data, but
>> And you can hold a cool [ __ ] light
saber near it.
>> What is your recipe when you use it?
>> I mean, a parasite recipe, like an
insomnia recipe.
You think it works? Okay, the raisin
bran recipe works. It It's constipation.
If If you're constipated, been
traveling, whatever, you sit in front of
the raisin bran recipe with 12 minutes
and you literally have like a turtle
head coming out.
>> experience this. Chris,
>> I did research on it.
>> I got I went
>> I went I went to Tony Robbins' house. He
said he's got one in every room in his
house, apparently. I don't know why. And
we I got lent one for a month or so. I
noticed no difference. For the people
that joined us,
>> it? Wait, did you use it?
>> Consistently or semi-consistently.
>> He didn't use it. He didn't use
>> But, you can't like you put your phone
near it and your phone starts [ __ ]
glitching out.
>> Wait, wait, wait. Did you use it? How
How often did you use it?
>> I don't know.
>> Only wait, I have two other ones. I I
have two things.
>> Okay. And then and then I've got one
more before
>> Oh, you've got millions.
>> So you might know more about this this
machine.
I I so there's something called and you
probably know way more about this than I
do, but I got
um lent a Winback machine. Have you ever
seen that? It's like some tecar therapy.
Do you know what that is?
>> I don't know what both of those words
mean.
>> Okay.
I don't know and it's So you don't know
what it is. I don't know what it is
either, but
>> is it?
>> Well, it seems like it has some um it's
like not quite EMS, but it has some um
high radio frequency. It is, but it's
not exactly and it's called tecar
therapy.
>> And what do you do with it? Patches?
>> So there's patches, but I've been using
it for my hamstring and it seems to
>> a like a controller that's producing
>> It does. It has this Yes, and I was
hoping that you would tell me what
exactly how it works, but it seems to do
tissue healing. I haven't seen good US
data on it. I think that it I I feeling
better has to work somehow and it's not
a stim device.
>> Yeah. Uh
I do not know if if someone could Google
it and see exactly what frequency
>> I'll send I'll send It's not called
EMS. It's called No, it's called a
Winback.
>> Winback?
>> Win
>> Yeah, Winback. Pull pull it up and see
what they're what they're actually
saying that it does. I I I I might have
seen something like it before.
Um
>> And it localizes to where the pain is,
which is really weird.
>> Yeah. The Roxie Volante. You seen this
one?
>> No.
>> Okay, so it's a sound lounge that
vibrates like like a vibroacoustic bed
that you lay on. And then it's a lamp
and the lamp has headphones. So it's
like a AV cable, one side is going into
the vibroacoustic bed, the other side's
going into the headphones and then
there's like 100 different sessions
ranging from 5 minutes to 60 minutes
that are like blast off to the moon
psychedelic. Like full on mushroom LSD
like trip depending on what you choose
with zero biological payback as far as
you actually needing to swallow a
substance or put anything under your
tongue, you lay there, you put on the
headphones, you flip it on, you close
your eyes, and it whisks you off to
another planet.
>> What is it called? Wait, what is it
called?
>> so, it's like
if if we were to talk about the proposed
neural benefit, it would be based on
what's called light sound entrainment,
meaning shifting you into different
brain waves based on the light and the
sound. It's called a Roxiva.
>> Wow.
>> Uh there there is a
>> session on there. It is like a
Shiftwave, but imagine if the Shiftwave
didn't just have sound, cuz the
Shiftwave is super cool. For people
listening or watching, it vibrates uh
>> It doesn't just vibrate. It [ __ ]
shakes the room.
>> It's lined with nodes.
>> I've got one at the house.
>> And the cool the cool part is it will it
will guide you through breathwork
sessions, and specifically like the
breath holds, you can go like 25% longer
just based on the distraction of the the
vibrating chair. So, and you're wearing
a a fingertip monitor for HRV, and your
HRV climbs to the roof when you're doing
this thing. Imagine that plus
flickering light that's also designed to
just like whisk you off into a
completely different state. There's a
session called rebirth, and they
actually recorded like whoosh whooshing
sounds in mom's womb and the fetal heart
beats, and you you put on the
headphones, you close your eyes, you lay
under this thing, and it feels like
you're just like primally being whisked
back into this like fetal state, and you
lay there for 45 minutes, and sometimes
you fall asleep, you're in and out of
consciousness, and then the last 5
minutes, you get birthed. And the music
crescendos, and all of the sudden like
everything starts beating, and the
lights get brighter, and your heart rate
speeds up, and you get this dump of
adrenaline,
and then you're just like out, and then
everything goes dark, and you sit up
from it, and you just feel like you
could go conquer the world.
2:15 in the afternoon.
>> That's [ __ ]
>> Wow, I was sold at that point.
>> That's [ __ ] cool.
>> Does it work if you use I I've used the
I've used the shift wave. The shift wave
is not as comprehensive as that. There
was a interesting thing around the
sounds from mother's womb. I had Steven
Porges on the polyvagal theory guy.
And
he came up with the safe and sound
protocol SSP. You familiar with that? So
this is a mode of
nervous system re-entrainment
and it's a combination of kind of
meditation with you actually have a
facilitator who is
halfway between mantra meditation,
psychotherapy and
like
sound wave work, I guess, and breath
work. And one of the things that he told
me which is [ __ ] fascinating
the soft, gentle, reassuring sounds that
mothers give to their kids is the
frequency in which the safe and sound
protocol works as well. One of the weird
things is that's the
It's the same for dogs and it's the same
for horses. And that's the reason that
equine therapy and that humans and
horses are able to connect as well and
that humans and dogs are able to connect
as well.
Because the sound frequency that mothers
and kids have in all of those species
are within the same band. Isn't that
[ __ ] cool?
She's
probably jacked so she's fine. Doesn't
matter at all.
What what else have I been using that's
been interesting?
Hyperbaric oxygen therapy, I mean I know
that this is not super like experimental
and it's probably pretty well.
That hard shell at what like 2.2 ATA is
so good. I don't know what is happening
to make me feel the way that I do after
I come out of a hyperbaric therapy but
it is 20 minutes on, 5 minutes off, 100%
oxygen on the mask, normal oxygen
outside of that. 90 minute session down
at that 2.2 is
better than any coffee, better than any
cold plunge, better than any anything.
>> There's a There's a little bit of
parasympathetic activation, too, just
from the the whole sensory depth nature
of it. I I did one of Brigham's
yesterday and like my tongue's lagging
out of the corner of my mouth and I was
struggling to talk.
>> hyperbaric chamber that they've been
using in operator's forever.
>> Michael Jackson was using one in like
the '90s.
>> Have you guys used the hydrogen bath
stuff?
>> I have used that, yeah.
>> Yeah, I use one at Lumati in my garage.
>> I I don't and and I think there is some
I haven't looked it up. I just [ __ ]
have one.
>> it just transdermal absorption of
hydrogen?
>> don't You add inhalation of studies
behind it. I just use it and I like it.
>> hundreds times more hydrogen than a
pill.
>> It's so relaxing to me cuz it's a hot
tub. You're sitting in a hot tub that
has hydrogen in it and
you you can probably talk.
>> trial where you're actually in the hot
tub and nobody tells you whether or not
they put hydrogen in it. But the idea is
that there is some transdermal
absorption of hydrogen in a
hydrogen-rich environment either in the
air or in the water that's greater than
what you would get from like a pill
dropped in water. And hydrogen being a
selective antioxidant means that for uh
inflammation, for soreness, etc.,
uh you do feel pretty good afterwards.
>> Yeah, but it's hard cuz a hot tub you
feel good, too.
>> for my podcast and literally like my
bookshelf and my books to read is in the
garage. Uh that's where my wife had me
put the bathtub uh in in a hydrogen bath
with a red light.
>> long do you stay in?
>> About 40
minutes.
>> And how often do you stay in, Chris?
>> Uh
almost every day now.
>> Oh, the the
hydrogen bath I was using really
intimately. That was when I was in
uh
Lumati.
>> That's the only place I've ever used
that. That's That's where I got my
hydrogen concentrator was from them in
San Diego.
>> Have you seen Alex Tanavas' thing? He's
the inhalation [ __ ]
>> Yeah. Yeah, Brigham has one. Uh that is
uh it's it's the only hydrogen
inhalation machine that can go up to
that high of a percentage that doesn't
use a nasal cannula. So so you get a a
pretty high concentration
>> That also doesn't risk [ __ ] blowing
up.
>> Yeah, without risk of explosion.
>> Yeah, you don't
[ __ ] about with hydrogen, dude. But I
mean you you put me in touch with Alex
and his machine is [ __ ] out of this
world. I don't even know if they're
publicly if they're like
>> I don't know if they're for sale or not.
Uh but but it's called the
>> working on it for a decade.
>> What's pushed me over the edge is is
there's a very um very trustworthy guy
in the hydrogen research sector named
Tyler LeBaron who I think he founded the
uh the Hydrogen Research Foundation. I
think that's what it's called. And he
put his name behind this because he was
so impressed with it compared to all
these different machines, a lot of them
coming out of Asia that have low
concentration or you can't adjust the
percentage or they use a nasal cannula
instead of a mask. Uh and so when I
asked him about it, he was like, "Thumbs
up. This is the best one on the market."
>> What do you make of uh cuz we've got
hydrogen tablets,
>> Right.
>> uh hydrogen flasks, water
infusion flasks,
>> Yeah.
>> inhalation, and now baths as well. What
do you make of hydrogen the research
around it generally and then what do you
make of those different
>> I've used a test kit to test the bottle
and the tablet and the bottle produces a
higher concentration of hydrogen. It's
like 8 to 10 ppm, but the bottles uh
poop out after like 300 uses. So you're
going to buy a bottle frequently. The
pills slightly lower. The transdermal
absorption, there's not a lot of
research on that. The inhalation is the
highest concentration that you can
infuse in your body as far as what
they've actually looked like looked at
for for hydrogen concentration. What's
the proposed mechanism benefits of
breathing hydrogen and putting more of
it in your body?
>> It's an antioxidant.
So basically it would quell
inflammation. It would
uh essentially um
because it's a selective antioxidant, it
can accept or donate electrons. So,
unlike say like high-dose synthetic
vitamin C or vitamin E,
um or nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory
drug, it can actually accept or donate
an electron. And so, it would be
something that would not say quell the
hormetic response to exercise. Like
after you do a hard exercise session,
you're actually not supposed to take
high-dose antioxidants. You're not
supposed to take
>> Do you do a cold plunge?
>> Well, the the cold plunge you have to
drop the muscle temperature by about 1°
C, which takes at least 10 minutes at a
pretty cold temperature. The like
jumping in a quick cold plunge or taking
a cold shower after workout, that's not
as big of a problem as doing like It's
It's been overblown because I don't know
a lot of people who even have the time
after workout to get in a cold plunge
for 10 to 20 minutes, which is where the
which is where Yeah, or the desire. And
that's And that's where the research
that you blunt the anabolic response
actually happens.
>> If you're going to do a long cold
plunge, wait for a few hours until after
the workout.
>> cold plunge.
Me wondering where your research is.
>> Yeah.
>> [ __ ] nuts.
>> I do 3 minutes and I'm done.
>> uh So, so basically, hydrogen and
methylene blue are two examples of
selective antioxidants that can accept
or donate an electron that would be
acceptable for post-exercise
inflammation without blunting the
anabolic response.
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