If somebody wanted to pay me like $20
million to do something commercial, I
make
>> this workout is a war between me trying
to get us to just do bro stuff and Ben
[music] trying to get us to be fitter.
>> I've been keeping up with this guy for a
week. I can't believe I'm still alive.
>> You can PTSD from the last time
you had to get ready for a movie. I
wanted to do back and biceps.
Just trying to do our whole lift that
right alas.
>> Dude, I'm so sore. I got pickle and
paddling.
[laughter]
Freaking Going non-stop for 4
days. Why are we doing this today?
>> I'm feeling all the wrong things.
>> What the is going on?
>> I'm just testing
your walls.
[music]
You're looking strong these days. What
you been up to, man?
>> Stop it. Getting after it.
>> Stop it. Stop it. Stop trying to
out. You going heavy?
>> No. What do we want to train today?
>> Uh,
>> if you make me do knees over
toes, guys stuff, I'm going to be so
sad. [music]
>> It's way too hot in Austin, Texas. And
I'm with Zack Afron. We're going to lift
some things.
>> Heat it up, baby. [music]
Woo. So very hot out here. By the way,
how long you guys want to train today?
>> I don't know. I think so we can have a
chat. So we can like just hang.
>> Yeah.
>> I think keep intensity
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> at a very breathable pace.
>> This good,
>> huh?
>> This intensity good.
>> This intensity high. This is
>> This is intensity high.
>> This is high.
>> Let's go do some bodybuilder stuff.
>> Yes. Some what?
>> Let's go do some bodybuilder stuff.
>> I can get a pump on Ben. Who did the
programming for Pyth?
>> He did all of it.
>> Really?
>> He just sent it to me and via text.
>> And what did it consist of? What was the
training like?
>> It was I turned it into two days cuz it
was just too much volume.
>> Uhhuh.
>> But uh it's a lot of a lot of metcon
with super sets, but a lot of supersets
very functional. So you do like 2
minutes balls out. Then you might be
going, let's say,
>> what?
>> Like on a dime,
>> deadlift to like a Nordic curl on
stability ball and back to two minutes
all out cardio and then to something
like pull down or pull up with a chest
press variation and back to car. So it's
just like back and forth and back to
about 6,000 calories a day for the first
four months. I was
>> And a lot of food
>> really.
>> I went went from a 29 waist to a 34.
>> Wow. in like 4 months.
>> Was that not a concern to stay lean if
>> there was I just But as soon as I
lowered the calories,
>> it just came straight up.
>> It just stripped up and and then we also
simultaneously started the wrestling
training,
>> right? Cuz the BMR will be your BMR will
have been like 3,600 or something.
>> Group and the wrestling training was
just a whole different beast on top of
that. So that's at least intuitive and
then some. Living the lifestyle of a
bodybuilder is ex is extraordinarily
like hard.
>> Why?
>> You're It's You're so limited in what
you can do. It's It's so boring.
>> Uh-huh.
>> You're eating so much food. You're
either working your ass off to the point
of extreme failure, pain, sleeping, or
struggling to move around the house to
accomplish very small things.
>> What was that?
>> I got to like 205 the heaviest. I'm like
175 now.
>> Yeah. Jesus Christ.
>> Yeah, it was a lot of hard work.
>> I know. All right, bench.
>> Little I don't want to do it again. Oh,
little push.
>> I just want to do it do a little uh curl
to overhead press with some easy easy
narrow grip hands elevated push-ups for
tries.
So, basically,
it's kind of broy, kind of functional.
>> Yeah. Just your ability to make
something not functional,
>> non-existent.
>> No.
[panting and sighs]
The other hard part of that is the
calories, though,
>> cuz 6,000 calories a day is not three
square meals.
No, it's fitting in that food, man.
>> What were you eating? How do you get
6,000 calories a day?
>> Tons of chicken, rice, sweet potato. Too
much salmon. I would not advise eating
as much salmon as I was eating. Got
mercury poisoning.
>> You could also use a strategy like
eat protein, chicken, fish,
turkey, beef, etc., And then you use
something like dilucine
which is
as the name implies two lucines interlin
and that'll maximize the anabolic
potential getting protein.
By the way, if you guys want to keep
this fair and balanced,
we can just play a little game where the
next person up in line chooses the
superset.
>> Why does it have to be a super? Why
can't we just hang out?
>> Or just chooses the set.
>> Why can't we just hang out, [cough]
>> dude? It's just non-stop. I've been
keeping up with this guy for a week. I
can't believe I'm still alive. This is
like harder than It's I feel more gnarly
than when I'm in IA.
>> You got PTSD from the last time
you had to get ready for a movie.
[laughter]
[panting]
>> How did the Baywatch prep and the Iron
Core prep differ?
Uh,
Baywatch was primarily
cardio supersets, a lot of cardio. I I
was able to bodybuild before that movie
started.
Took me about 3 months to prep for that
and then I just up the cardio and super
sets.
>> Okay.
>> And then I was able to get shredded. I
also
took way too many diuretics,
>> right,
>> for that roll. It [laughter] was really,
really bad. Um but luckily my body was
able to recover.
>> Peeing Coca-Cola.
>> Yeah.
>> Well, the guy who was I was using for a
trainer on that film just never
I had to be shirtless every day.
>> And so he always like
redlinining.
>> Always redlinining. Just pinging.
But it worked. I would wake up in the
morning and just be completely deflated.
Look like I hadn't lifted a weight. But
then I would go have some sugar.
>> Yep.
>> Do a couple hundred push-ups, elastic
bands, some pull-ups. So, it was kind of
like doing a a bodybuilding competition
every single day, like a mini
bodybuilding prep every single day.
>> Essentially, that's how it's been for
several movies, but none were as hard as
was as hard as the ironclaw.
>> Yeah.
>> Why Why was that one hard? Cuz in
Baywatch, you maybe seemed leaner.
>> Would that be fair?
>> Was I was leaner, but Kevin von Eric was
massive. Yeah, he was big. I was I think
my heaviest that I was during Baywatch
was around 175. That's my current
weight,
>> right? But just a slightly different
composition,
>> just slightly. You you could also take
someone at at like 15% and somebody at
like 11%. And if you give the 15% or
like milk thistle extract or any diet
like basically you're just bringing out
the striations. So So I don't know what
your body fat percentage was in Baywatch
versus two two
>> but
it was low. It was low for both but one
one is low
>> with diaresis and one is low normal.
>> Yeah.
>> Right. Yeah. It was just skin over
muscle. It was savage. But that
ninja war had a ninja warrior course in
that scene.
>> Sorry. In that movie.
>> Yeah.
>> And uh
>> the director was like, "Sack, don't you
dare try and finish the course
>> because you're made of wicker
and bamboo and you're going to snap in
half."
>> No, no, no. I was that has nothing to do
with it.
>> But it was from that point forward, I
knew I was like,
>> I'm going to do this my first try.
>> Did you make the course?
>> I did on the first try. The whole thing.
Salmon letter.
And that's the one in the movie,
but they didn't have the uh stunt mats
laid out at the They only had laid stunt
mats out for the first section of the
course
>> just because they had that much faith
that you were going to make it only to
the first half.
>> No, cuz I told them I wasn't going to do
the whole thing.
But they did have the regular water
underneath, which is what you get with a
standard Ninja Warrior course. So the
second take
I fell on the last part of the standing
ladder
[snorts] and it was how far of a
fall
>> I think it's like 15 ft.
>> Oh
yeah
>> yeah that'll wake you up.
>> You consider messing around with one of
those Chris like a high rocks or Spartan
or obstacle course type of stuff? Uh, I
know they're trendy, but it's I did I
did my CrossFit era.
>> Yeah. Right.
>> When everybody did it like 20
16 to 2020ish.
>> Yeah.
>> When it was super super hot.
>> If you had to pick one move from the
CrossFit lineup that you think is the
most valuable, what would you say it is?
>> The most valuable
>> that you get the most great question.
Um,
>> I'll tell you mine.
>> It's the straight clean. What is this?
Clean pull.
>> Snatch.
>> Snatch. Snatch.
>> Yeah, high rep high rep snatches feel
very dangerous to me.
>> I know. But that's why it feels good
when you get good at it.
>> That's That's the issue with CrossFit.
>> Yeah.
>> Metabolic conditioning under heavy load
with complex lifts.
>> The most complex.
>> What did I quite What did I like? So, I
mean, it was the first time that I I
learned that active recovery speeds up
uh getting rid of DOMS. So, because I
was loving training so much that I'd
come in on my off day on a Thursday and
sit on the assault bike and I'd be dying
and then I'd leave and I'd be like,
"Huh?"
>> Yeah.
>> But all of my pain's gone.
>> Y
>> as opposed to I'm in pain, I should
rest. It's like I'm in pain, I should
move.
>> So, that was kind of the one of the
fundamental changes.
>> Shockingly, like two a days, if you do a
if you do some cardio, stretching,
muscular, even a little bit of light
workout on top of your heavy workout
day, you oddly have less doms. It's
worth more quickly the next They would
like the thermal heat ice.
>> Why don't we do some pull-ups?
>> Hey, we got a personal trainer now.
Let's do it.
>> Why do we do some pull-ups?
>> Pull-ups. Just pure pull-ups. He wants a
super set with dips,
>> Chris.
>> Sure, that sounds good.
>> Yeah.
>> See, now he likes the super sets.
>> Oh, it's cuz you chose a cool super set,
dude.
>> Dude, look at this thing. This is sick.
>> Oh, that's so good.
>> We should work some of those in after
the uh set.
>> Stop it, Ben.
>> Let's do it.
>> It's a war. This workout is a war
between me trying to get us to just do
bro stuff and Ben trying to get us to be
fitter. I want to be bigger. Ben wants
to be fitter.
>> Chris wants to have cardio megaly at 60
years old and die of a heart attack
while I'm out while I'm out
snowboarding.
>> Does that mean good cardio?
>> Yes, Chris. Yes.
>> Okay. I want good cardio.
>> Good cardio. Yep. Yep. Way to break that
word down. Mega cardio.
>> I want that. Yes.
[gasps]
>> [gasps]
>> So, what did you think from CrossFit?
What was your big takeaway from there?
They teach you how to do
>> Oh, dude, I got so injured.
>> You got injured a lot?
>> Yeah, of course.
>> Like everybody.
>> Me, too.
>> Like everybody. That's two Belgian
discs, a uh node. That's a
That's a little spicy one. What
the is that? Smalls node. It's when
a little bit of uh disc material, sorry,
vertebral material shoots up into the
disc. So, it like pierces uh it creates
an edema
>> in the vertebrae.
>> God, sick.
>> It's injuries like that.
>> You're a year out and you're just going,
>> "Why the did I do this to myself?
I'm doing so much to take care and like
>> work hard and you're doing all the right
things." And then
>> how did you do your back? What were you
doing?
>> Deadlifts at Chris Hemsworth House.
[laughter]
>> Classic. Surely you must have been
tapped up for superhero stuff.
Have you not? Have you screen tested or
done any in the past?
>> I just never really wanted to do one
>> to be honest. Do you like the superhero
movies?
>> I think Well, it depends what they are.
Like superhero movies can go from like
Suicide Squad to Avengers, right? So,
>> just things are trendy like that and
everyone's doing them.
>> Mhm.
>> They lose their appeal. If somebody
wanted to pay me like
>> $20 million to do something commercial,
I
>> do not think you'd make a good Wolverine
though.
Wolverine is a cool character, but um
>> well, it's all about like who is it that
you're playing and how is it put
together
>> because you are right.
>> I I just I I really want independent
movies to to thrive. That's always been
where my heart's at. And like the
2007208
era is kind of where I feel like it
really petered out. Like that was the
year I think 2008 was There Will Be
Blood, No Country for Old Men.
>> Yeah.
>> Like really cool independent films were
being made.
>> Uhhuh.
>> And then everything went superhero, you
know, and
>> Yeah. Yeah. A decade decade and a half
of that.
[snorts]
>> I don't know. I think
[sighs]
what's heroic to me is be making just a
sick a sick movie not about a superhero.
[laughter]
The advantage is if you're jacked
enough, you can be a superhero no matter
what the role is.
>> Oh, yeah. Well, I've got so much
training knowledge I've accumulated from
different trainers over the years. It's
easy to get big,
>> but I want to play real people, you
know,
>> not super jacked people all the time.
>> That's what's fun, dude. It's doing
different stuff cuz you're when you're
constantly in a state of learning,
trying a new genre. And I've never had
one that it's not extremely fun.
>> Like
>> doing comedy fairly. Yeah. Because it's
challenging and
>> it's all the same thing. I mean, acting
is just listening.
And once you can learn to apply that
across the spectrum of
>> different genres, it just gets it's
always fun. It's always interesting.
You're always learning.
>> You're always doing something new and
you're always changing.
>> What's the worst part of it?
>> Of the whole job?
>> As a whole job?
>> Of what's what's the what's your least
favorite part of the whole job?
There's there's aspects of the notoriety
and the quote unquote fame that come
along with it that are
really challenging at times. Just
>> like
>> I love human beings, dude. I love being
around him. Like it's my favorite part
about being a human is is being with
other humans. And there's a certain
point where you realize it's very hard
to be in groups of humans any longer.
>> Fame is [laughter] deranging. You know,
I've seen the the person that I've seen
this around the most is Rogan.
>> If you're in a room
>> with normal people behaving in a
completely standard way.
>> Yeah.
>> And he walks in, the whole room changes.
It's It's like a reality distortion
field that exists around someone. It's
like 28 days later. You see like
performative changes
>> to a degree. I I I honestly think it's
the same as it must be the same as being
a really really beautiful woman
>> that people just can't behave normally.
>> They're like talking to you and they're
just thinking, "Oh my god, you're so
hot. Don't say anything stupid.
I can't believe how hot you are. You're
so beautiful. Please don't mess up." And
like I think that it's basically the
same with guys that are a very very high
status.
>> Yeah. Um, I'm sure being around like
Trump or JD Vance or somebody like that
would cause the same reality distortion
field because people are just looking at
them going, "My god, it's Donald Trump
and I can't believe the thing and he's
got the hair and I'm like, what's he
going to say? He's so tall and
>> right."
>> People just can't behave normally and
that means that if you're the person who
always has people around them that seem
to be behaving weirdly, you're like,
>> I can't trust the world. Everyone seems
like they've got an agenda. And it's
like some people have an agenda. Most
people are just like, oh my god, it's
Zack Efron. I just want to try and be
normal. I can't believe this go here.
Like just gobbling inside of themselves,
>> right? The the hard part is like, don't
get me wrong, I love interacting with
like fans and making people's day. And
sometimes when you come up to somebody,
they've got a story about how a film you
made impacted them in like the most pos
best possible way. And
>> it's genuinely it's so nice. Like it's
the best interaction ever. But then
there's
>> blown.
>> You have to realize every time you have
that conversation, if it's the 50th time
you've had that conversation in the last
hour and a half, you're just tired.
>> Your tank your tank is empty. What about
um
>> and then you're like, "Yeah, yeah,
yeah." Exactly.
>> What about on the the process of
filming? Like what's your least favorite
part of that? And for most people, it's
sit around and wait, I guess. But
>> the hardest part of filming,
>> you know, it it varies. It it depends on
how big your role in the film is. You
typically if I'm in the movie, I'm first
one in, last one out every day cuz I'm
like the lead in the film. So the
hardest part is that the way that they
schedule the movies is
you have like a 10-hour to 12 hour
workday. You can only work that many
consecutive hours
>> before you have to have a 10hour a
10hour turnaround
>> like a truck driver.
>> Like a truck driver sort of. But we go
over those 12 hours all the time almost
every day. I've never done a movie where
you don't go over this.
when you start at
so you go to work at 4 a.m. on a Monday
to start filming. You start usually
filming by 6:00 depending on how long
the drive is after an hour and hair and
makeup
and like you finish at 6:00 p.m. that
day. Essentially, the turnaround stop
catching up with being at night. So by
Wednesday, your call time is pushed from
4:00 a.m. to noon. You go from noon to
midnight. Then your 10-hour turnaround
means you're coming in at 4:00 a.m.
again for Thursday. And then Friday is
you're coming in at 8 a.m. and then on
for the weekend is after Friday, they
just usually go for like 16 17 hours
because you get a day off afterwards and
there's no time limit. So if you add up
all of your sleep during that week,
you're getting like maybe four hours a
night. You're going to bed at a
different time every single night.
>> You forget how to sleep. It's basically
shift work.
>> It's basically shift work. You're a
shift worker
>> for months
>> on on camera.
>> And that part that part's hard. Like the
rest of it is so fun, but
>> it just wears you thin. You just get
worn thin.
I I would love to
be in films where I just come in and
have like a smaller role. I get a few
days off a week, but
it doesn't seem to happen that often.
>> [snorts]
[sighs]
[panting and gasps]
>> But there's so many good things about
it, man. Like the film industry is, it's
all of these people that have come
together and they're the best in their
fields in every single
whatever they do. Hair and makeup,
special effects, sound, cinematography,
everybody is super elite.
And when you have a bunch of people that
are really want to get after it and do
something special,
It's just a fun thing to do. You're
like, everyone's on such a high level
>> and it's a team sport, dude. You're like
the quarterback
>> of this amazing squad and everybody is
elite.
>> It's so fun. I love making art.
>> Yeah. [gasps]
[sighs]
>> Do you train with a group or you just
usually do
>> yourself? Usually me. I mean, I've got
uh I used to train it for a good while
and that made a really good difference.
Good change.
>> It's good, huh?
>> Yeah. Just being accountable to
somebody.
>> Correct. That's mostly it.
>> Um, how have you found TRT, Ben?
>> Great. Especially recovery.
Meaning
you can hit it pretty hard and the next
day roll out and hit it pretty hard
again.
>> Feel pretty good.
>> Yeah. but without you know some people
like well you know what about your HRV
isn't that going to drop with subsequent
difficult days of training blah blah
blah but really it's not like it's
neuromuscular fatigue that you're
bouncing back from more quickly it's
like muscularkeeletal
>> y
>> so the nervous system stays fine but if
you're somebody who kind of like stays
sane with training every day
>> and who wants a little bit of extra
recovery
>> mild mild libido effect, really good
brain effect, really good motivation
effect.
>> Wow. So, you got more drive. You found
like generally more
>> Yeah. I mean, you know, this is a, you
know, molecule of forward motion.
[sighs and gasps]
[sighs]
[gasps]
[panting]
>> Are you just trying to keep your back
super straight?
>> Yeah. So, as you're here, we'll switch
switch hands.
So you as if you're gripping something
here with this hand. So nice and tight.
So that's fascia. And it's a slow so
like almost like balancing from one foot
to the other. So even slower than that.
Yeah. And you'll feel now your back's
got to turn on.
>> Oh yeah. That feels good.
>> So this is just stiffening like Steu
Miguel stuff again.
[sighs]
[gasps]
A little bit more time with the foot in
the air. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Uh, [sighs and gasps]
yeah.
>> Oh, that's good.
>> Yeah,
>> that's good.
[gasps]
What are your favorite interventions
that you've been playing around with? I
know you've been doing Hbot, red light,
sauna, everything. Is this something
that you think more people need to pay
attention to?
>> Um,
hyperbearic chamber is pretty elite. I
find I did a protocol with um Gary Brea
at his house
>> and I did it every day.
I think I got to 18 consecutive days.
>> Yep.
>> Two hours.
>> Yep. 20 and five.
>> You talking to me about you and Gary's
penis pump again?
>> [laughter]
>> We haven't we haven't got to there. That
was my next one.
>> Consecutive days. Two hours.
>> Barry breakfast penis bump. Yeah. Okay.
>> But I will say after doing that many
consecutive dives and altering the
depths.
>> Okay.
>> Um not only did I feel
a lot better and feel feel great, but
sustain energy.
>> Yeah.
>> And whilst in the hyperbaric chamber, I
was able to beat Elden Ring,
[gasps]
which is an incredibly difficult. He got
an upright one.
>> An upright hard shell. And I put my PS5
in there.
>> And that is really fun.
>> That is cool.
>> Yeah. I mean the the hyperbaric since
I've been using that consistently. It's
so good. It's weird though
trying to talk about it because it's so
inaccessible.
>> I know.
>> You got to drive to wherever the
place. Most people don't have one in the
house. It's impossible. Drive to
wherever the place is. 2 hours there. 90
minutes down at depth. It's expensive.
It's timeconuming.
>> Exactly.
>> So on. But it's amazing. Best
inexpensive hack. I think I always
travel with those set those rubber
bands.
>> Just the Rogue rubber bands. Those light
ones. You can get a workout in pretty
much anywhere.
>> Oh,
do you ever do
>> occlusion training?
>> Occlusion training. What are those? What
are those straps called?
>> Katsu.
>> Katsu bands.
>> I don't know those. I know occlusion
training.
>> EFR training.
>> Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Blood flow restriction training.
>> That is such a game changer, dude. It
works so well. You can travel with these
little bands and I put you just put them
on every time you work out. By
essentially by cutting off the blood
supply, you're tricking your body into
>> perceiving that it's under a much higher
stress level than it is. So, you can use
>> You do S squats, right, Ben? Like just
BFR Squats.
>> Yeah. Like the actual
old school
actual studied BFR protocol is 30 20 10
>> like 30 reps recover then 20 then 10
kind of like a kind of like a strip set
burnout and you're not supposed to
tourniquet both the arms and the legs
simultaneously but you could and this is
like what I'll do for a travel workout
do legs and arms and do like a 302010
but do like 30 squat, 30 TRX pull-ups,
30 lunges, 30 push-ups, and then do a
20.
>> Can I ask what what the concern is about
occlusion both death?
>> Uh potential stroke,
>> which could lead to death. Um
>> yeah, but the gains
>> but basically
>> But the gains
>> Yeah. risk. Yeah, the gains. Risk of
>> some type of cardiovascular incident
from having full occlusion on both arms
and the legs,
>> right? which is a risk if the it's
measured in millimeters of mercury is
too high. But the trick is if you press
down on your fingernail, your toenail
and blood flow returns within 3 seconds.
>> You're pretty quickly able to discern
when you draw them on too tight.
>> Um because you basically just pinch your
finger and
>> Japanese
turns into 4 seconds and then you
realize
>> I'm going to die.
>> The Japanese cuffs actually come with an
actual handheld controller that allows
you to
>> Oh, it's an electronic
>> dial in up and down. [snorts] you dial
in MMHG pressure.
>> How about I quite like that osal
strength uh shoulder press. Let's do it.
>> Yeah,
>> it's really nice.
>> Chris, who do you who do you think
you've learned the most from over the
course of your podcast? Cuz I've heard
Chris Bum's dead on your
>> You mean from a training perspective?
>> Yeah, from a training perspective. Who
do you think of
>> learned from the most? I mean, to be
honest, me and uh Sebum just talk about
family life and emotions. We
just talk about crying and
>> Yeah. Right. Right. I don't really talk
about training,
>> the real manly stuff.
>> That's true. It's true. Me and Chris
Bumstead have the gayest conversations
in the world.
>> I've heard I've heard you had some
pretty deep good conversations on
training though. I don't know who the
>> who guys were to be honest. Dude,
Mike Israel is really great.
>> When it comes to the evidence-based
stuff,
>> um me and I mean Ben was like episode
75 and then like 180 and then we
did another one at like 600 as well.
What is your current best guess for how
to remove microplastics?
>> Coffee enemas.
>> Coffee enemas.
>> It's always butt stuff with you, isn't
it? [snorts]
>> First time I ever hung out with Ben,
within the first hour, he was he gave me
an ozone enema
and [laughter] a coffee enema.
>> Had to open up the old Greenfield
medicine.
>> It's a very fastm moving relationship
with Ben.
>> I can tell.
>> Suddenly you're sticking up your
ass. You're like, I'm in the middle of
Idaho. I don't know. I don't know this
guy at all. [laughter]
[panting]
>> Remember that guy that came over to our
house, Neil?
>> Yeah.
>> This guy stuck his finger
>> based on
>> all up to here into my nose. Was able to
open my nose cavity so much that he got
his full finger
>> into like my brain and was like moving
it around.
>> Yeah. Basically, embryionic development
dictates that the like the gastric
system from the mouth to the anus
develops at a similar time
>> from the mouth to the anus. That's from
the river to the sea. But for
biohackers, isn't it?
>> Develops at a similar time as the
fascia. So if you can manipulate like
through the mouth, the nostril, etc. You
can elicit fascial changes in like the
legs or the neck or the back. So that's
why they go in through the mouth. Hang
on. So I can pick his boogers and loosen
up his IT band.
>> Exactly.
>> Yeah. Sick.
>> Yep.
>> Yep. Tickle the tonsils.
>> Now we're bodybuilding, bros.
>> This is better. Is this not better, Ben?
Is this not nice?
>> Well, for talking. Yeah.
>> We're keeping we The heart rate's below
100.
>> The gains are above 100.
>> No cardally. No, no. I want audio
megalite. Thank you.
>> Finger up nose.
>> And did you feel Did you feel any
difference?
>> Yeah.
>> From the finger. I I've got I
broke my jaw. Had a bad accident when I
was younger. And
>> what did you do?
>> Uh just
fell on a piece of granite into a
fountain and it just
>> What the were you doing?
>> Nothing. It was I was running through
that socks. Right.
>> Yeah.
>> Just slipped AND FELL.
>> AND UH OH,
>> after that my jaw has just been as it's
hard to work on, but when those guys go
in there and dig with dig in and
>> release all that tension.
>> Is that still a a like source of pain?
>> Like do you does it ache when it's cold
or some
>> Yeah, it does. It's just that also it's
just uneven. So chewing is hard.
How old were you?
>> Uh I was like 22.
22. What happened?
>> Right. Okay. Sorry. But uh I did did the
whole Kanye West wired your
>> I was gonna give you sympathy for
running in a house in socks because I
thought you were like nine.
>> No,
>> you were 22.
>> Yeah,
>> you're an idiot.
>> Yeah, idiot.
>> Mickey Mouse slippers.
>> Yeah, it's like a Tom and Jerry cartoon.
>> Yeah,
>> you're like you're like a Tom and Jerry
cartoon.
>> I wish it was some heroic story.
>> No, you fell over. You fell over in your
house.
>> Yeah,
>> like a grandma.
>> Yeah.
>> Brilliant.
>> I fell in the kitchen.
>> Can't get up. Did you see that listing I
sent you?
>> The what? What?
>> Did you show the listing I sent you?
>> Yes, but you said don't buy it.
>> Yeah. I don't want you to buy it cuz I
want it.
>> Oh. Oh, right. That's what you meant.
[laughter]
>> Yeah. Well,
>> it looks sick, right?
>> It might surprise you, Zach, but my bank
account and your bank account are not
the same size.
>> I reckon yours is way bigger.
>> Shut the up. [laughter]
>> I feel like you're with me now.
>> No, I'm not.
>> Well, I don't think mine's nearly as big
as you're giving me credit for, buddy.
I've done mostly.
>> This is like an independent measuring
contest.
>> You just got to sell a few more
toothpicks, bro.
>> Yeah.
>> Well, man. I didn't even think
about that.
[sighs]
>> Cuz that one I sent you, that's that's
that's high for me.
>> I can't afford I can't quite afford that
yet. Maybe my brother and I can split
it.
The the pod is
one of the few
commercially
effective enterprises which gets better
the more
>> uh like honest you are
>> which is really cool.
>> Yes. um you know people resonate more
uh the more open, authentic, sincere,
earnest you are and you're like okay so
I get to do more of what I want be more
open and that drives the business too
which is really great but there is
always in the back of your mind this
like how much do I need to
how how much do I need to compromise
what it is that I want to do in order to
keep the lights on, Right.
>> Um, and that whenever you ask that
question, it just feels a bit
>> I know
>> like icky.
>> It does.
>> But you again like this material
constraints.
>> You I think you're in a unique position,
Chris, cuz at one dude for I just think
your podcast is really extraordinary.
But you also [sighs]
you get you get to have long form
conversations, you know, and I think I
think the authenticity of what you do is
it comes across really really well on
the show. If as a as a as a consumer of
the pod, I'd say you have room to to
make moves. As long as they're not
shitty products, I think you can sell
whatever you really want.
>> We've done Thankfully, there's lots of
brands like Eight Sleep. I would
sell that to anybody. It is
>> it is such a amazing
gamechanging product
>> and I've got no apart from the fact that
I use it and they pay on the show. I
have no like loyalty to them as a brand,
>> right?
>> But they rule. Like the
product's great.
>> It helps. It helps with the especially
when we're talking about detox pathways.
>> When those are up, it's
impossible to sleep at night cuz your
body just goes hot and cold. I tell you
what else I've seen like I love one of
the one of my favorite things of talking
to people like Ben uh always being able
to think about what's coming next like
cool experimental you know
something that I if I could bet on an
industry
>> um that lymphatic
>> uh beauty beautifification stuff there's
a an entire industry now on Instagram uh
human taught me about this there's this
lady who does it's basically like
cosmetic procedures but just through
lymphatic drainage.
>> So, her point is that so much fluids
held in the face and your like puffiness
below the eyes that you try and fix with
filler or with makeup or whatever, you
could actually just get rid of the
lymph,
>> drain, drain that away and your face is
going to look much nicer. I think that
is if I could have a little bet on like
a low
>> um impact intervention to make people
look
>> Who came on the pond to tell you about
that?
>> Human.
>> Oh, human.
Yeah, the reason that you wake up and
you have puffy eyes after a poor night
of sleep is because of impaired
>> lymphatic drainage, right? The the
cleanup that happens while you're
asleep. So, in the same way that if you
take like NAD or creatine to combat the
effects of sleep deprivation because
you're just giving your body what it
would have built or made more of during
sleep, by doing that lymphatic drainage,
you're doing what your body should have
done during a good night of sleep. So,
it'll just allow people to sleep 5 hours
a night
>> and still be beautiful.
>> Oh, yeah. I I mean maybe maybe it'll be
offsetting the sleep things. She does
this She does. It's so good for
social media cuz she'll have like half
of her face covered.
>> Oh yeah.
>> And she'll do the the procedure on one
half of her face and then you'll look
and it's like a Snapchat filter where
one half is really shapely and tight and
the other half is really puffy.
>> How do you learn how to do it? Do you go
to somebody and they should
>> I I don't I'll send you the lady's
Instagram. It's just
fascinating. It's like
>> million followers, all of them like
women that are forward thinking about
health and trying to make themselves
more beautiful without using cosmetic
intervention.
>> But is she is she using is using a tool
or a technique?
>> Variety of stuff. So um brushes
>> like right like
>> I mean would would there be a space to
sell it for self- administration or is
this more she does she does it to
herself.
>> Okay.
>> She does it to herself but you could
also sell it as a service for sure. So
if you made a um you know like going to
the masseuse and getting body work done,
but if you had the same thing for
>> your face
[sighs and gasps]
>> for women as like a non-surgical
intervention,
>> that's that's still the main thing I
deal with, man, from these detox
pathways being messed up is is the
sleep.
>> So sleep is still so hard to come by.
>> So something that can help
>> What does that look like?
>> Insomnia. [laughter] So struggling to
get to sleep, struggling to stay asleep.
>> So you're asleep for 20 minutes a few
times a night.
>> Much of it.
>> It's pretty consistent for me.
>> Worked with several artists.
>> It It's just the movie movie schedule.
>> The fact that makes you great at what
you do also results in creative
ruminating thoughts at night.
>> Yeah.
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. [snorts]
>> Grab my
>> See, this is a good pace of workout,
Ben.
>> This is the pace.
>> This is a good pace.
>> This is the pace. I want to be able to
talk for the entire time.
>> Have a good chat.
>> Yeah. yap on a little bit.
>> Get a pump.
>> Get a little full. And then go
and eat some food.
>> And then go eat some tacos. If
you've got like nothing to do after the
gym and you've carved out enough time, a
leisurely pace
is something you can afford. For me, I'm
like once I start at 8:30, I've got 9:30
until it's like shower and be ready for
a podcast by 10:00. So, it's like
squeeze in as much volume as you can in
that period of time.
>> So, you're you're conditioned at the
moment to have to rush your sessions
almost.
>> Yeah.
>> Or to maximize your time in your
sessions. Well, I've I've made that
choice just because of, you know, family
time and everything else in the morning.
>> How many pods are you doing a week?
>> At home, almost every day. And when I
travel, almost none for my own show.
>> Ben has truly transformed his severe ADD
into
like ultra productivity and like the
best lifestyle I've ever seen,
>> but he's really disabled. You just can't
tell. [laughter]
>> Yeah. Yeah,
>> I've never seen anybody
>> else to crank so hard. He's full out,
flat out all the time.
>> Is there anyone else, Ben, that you're
uh excited by or a fan of from the sort
of biohacking experimentation world at
the moment?
>> Yes.
>> Who? Cuz I'm kind of interested in who
the next generation of Ben Greenfields
are.
>> Nick Norit,
>> not familiar.
probably one of the top health and
science research substacks out there
right now, rising in the ranks, MD, PhD,
who decided to go into content creation
instead of clinical research and
medicine.
>> Okay.
>> And he's good. He's really good. Um,
[panting]
I still think uh Thomas Dau is still
kind of underrated.
>> He's great. I think he just flies under
the radar a little bit, but he wouldn't
be considered up and coming.
>> Chris, have you seen the movie Back
Rooms yet?
>> No. Is that good?
>> Have you seen Back Rooms?
>> No.
>> Did you get jealous that you weren't in
it?
>> Yeah, I bet you.
>> One of my favorite movies this year.
>> I kind of don't do very well with scary
movies.
>> It's not It's not like that. It's I
swear it's not it's not like
>> at all. [clears throat]
>> I walked out of Saw 2 and told my wife I
was never going to watch a scary movie
again in my life and I haven't.
>> What a [laughter]
>> I
>> I'm very permeable with like that.
>> Back rooms is not like that. It's
>> psychological is the right word, but I
will ruminate on that
>> Did you ever see one called The Ring?
>> No. Oh my god. It ruined my life for
like six years. What are your um
>> favorite [snorts] movies of the last few
years? What have you seen that you've
thought apart from Back Rooms
>> of the last few years?
>> I don't know, man. I [clears throat] got
to go back for all my favorites like The
Matrix,
>> any all Russell Crows films, anything
with Daniel D. Lewis.
>> He reached out. Russell Crow reached
out. It was really nice.
>> Yeah. Oh, dude. He's a legend. We shot
uh movie called The Greatest Beer Run
Ever. He's a absolute legend of a human.
which is surprising because which was
not surprising but sometimes people get
a bad reputation for being like
and I'd say that like
>> in the industry Russell kind of loosely
has one of those
>> and then it just goes to show you don't
believe what anyone says cuz you go and
meet him.
>> He's the nicest guy.
>> He's the coolest guy
>> in the world. So just don't ever trust
what anyone says about anybody.
[clears throat]
The problem you have is like the total
sample size of people that have
interacted with any superstar,
pop star, movie person, like
media personality.
>> Like the sample size is like five
interactions. Exactly.
>> You only need a couple and it's like,
well, Russell Crow. Yeah. Yeah. Do you
not remember when he spoke to that
person last week? And then before you
know it, that's now your entire
personality. But also I would be present
with him on set and like
he would be for instance like right
about something like hey the camera
needs to be over the camera guy would be
behind me like dude you need to move on
this side for the for these two shots to
make sense and the camera guy would go
no I don't and Russell's like
it does you need to move to the other
side it's not going to edit because he's
a director too and the camera guy's like
no talking to the mic be like hey is
Russell right do I need to move to the
other side they be like no you're on the
right And he'd say, "Russell, I'm on the
right side." And Russell turned around
and go,
"I'm not going to start the take until
you move to the other side.
>> I know that you're wrong." And then he
goes, "Guys, just double checking. Are
you sure I don't know be on the other
side?" And then everyone behind camera
talks go,
>> "Actually, yeah, you need to switch
sides." And Russell goes, "See, told
you." And the guy would switch sides and
then we do the take. Now, for me being
in that scene, he was right.
>> Mhm. For a lot of people in that scene,
they're going to call Russell an
>> Yeah.
>> Because of the way he did that.
>> I don't think that was an thing
to do. He's passionate and he wants to
doesn't want to waste anyone's time.
>> He told the guy where he needed to be
several times. And me being a I
just would have done and wasted 10
takes.
>> Killed the edit. Had to film it the next
day.
>> And had to come back and lost us
millions of dollars
>> where Russell put his foot down
>> because you don't want to rock the boat.
>> Exactly.
>> So like, where is the line between
somebody being an because I
don't believe that was an thing.
That that story when you tell it to
people, they're like, "Oh my god."
>> Well, what's weird?
>> How did he do that?
>> Well, what's weird is like Russell has
to
>> he pays the price in a weird way there.
Like if you're the person that puts your
foot down about that,
>> you're kind of sacrificing your own
likability to the entire production
>> to save the production for a little bit.
>> Exactly.
>> Yeah. I remember
>> putting everyone on your back at that
point.
>> Yes. Yeah. Uh even though it's for the
good of everyone who's there for the
good of everyone. Yeah. Um, I remember I
was talking to Keegan about that uh
Christian Bale scene where he's like
kicking off at the camera guy and Keegan
was telling me he's like, "Dude, you
don't understand.
>> He's been on set for 6 hours."
>> Yeah.
>> And they've been dialing this scene in
and he's been trying to get himself
ready to do this very difficult
emotional whatever is about to happen.
And someone is about behind his
ey line as he's trying to lock in to do
this thing. And he's lost his head. And
he's like, "Well,
Do you not need at some point to put the
hammer down and say, "Hey, this
production is like not making my job
easy." And if we go into OT, the
line producers going to kick off at
everybody and like the finance guy is
going to kick off at everybody and
everyone that's here has got to stick
about
>> Yep.
And it's fun and the whole time, you
know, especially the actors that we like
and the movies that sounds like you like
and and I like you're you're already
walking the line between,
>> you know, a thin line between keeping
your sanity anyway. I mean, you're you
are literally becoming somebody else for
a while. the threshold between your real
self and whatever person you're becoming
is very thin and you're tired
>> and it's just it's not really
>> you're already stretched so thin like
the way that the people the pros can
keep their wits about them it always
blows my mind
>> and then you start working with method
actors and then that's a whole other
>> Who have you worked with that's a method
actor
>> the first time I worked with Nicole
Kidman she was method and I didn't know
>> and what was that
>> was a movie we did called the paper boy
with Matthew McConna
>> yeah that means she doesn't leave the
>> she she was in character the whole time.
>> I was like, "God, I thought I thought
Nicole Kidman was Australian. I didn't
know she was southern. She had a
southern accent for
>> she wouldn't leave the role."
>> No. And and our characters were in love.
So if I thought she was flirting with me
off camera.
>> Sick. [laughter] That is pretty sick.
>> I'd actually if I was opposite some hot
if I was opposite some hot chick, I'd be
like, "Hey, have you considered method
acting [laughter] for the duration of
this production?"
>> Yeah, exactly. How you feeling?
>> Great. You guys want to do this?
All right, last minute.
>> Get a pump. They said it'll be fun. Nice
set.
>> Oh, me.
>> So pumpy. Let's go.
Thank you, Benjamin.
>> All right, we're done. I managed to
convert Ben Greenfield from making us do
cardio into doing a bodybuilding
workout. And now I'm going to go and
eat. I'll see you next time.