What are some
protocols that you fully believe in but
you can't scientifically prove?
>> Ooh.
That's really good. Um
Okay. Yeah, let's just be blunt here. Um
but these will be things that aren't in
the in the book, right? Okay, cuz
everything there is substantiated by
mechanism and description. Um so
I have had some wild experiences with a
couple of peptides
most people some people have heard
about. Um you know, I don't have
shoulder pain. I've never had shoulder
pain. But about 3-4 months ago I made
the decision. I was like, you know, I
should start doing some heavy pressing
again. I I do my dips. I do my overhead
press. I should start doing some like I
don't like flat benching so I do some
low incline pressing and after about 3
months
2-3 months I started getting some
shoulder pains. I started doing some
external rotation work. You know, I'm
like this thing isn't going away. Like
what is this? Maybe I need to back off
and I was like, you know what? Like it's
pretty bad.
I'm going to just put two injections of
BPC in there. So
two injections of maybe 100 or 200
micrograms tiny amounts, right? Um gone.
History.
Can't find the pain. It's gone. Now, is
it placebo? I don't know. Maybe it is. I
mean I knew what I was injecting. A
better experiment would have been
somebody, you know, traded out saline
and I go, oh my, you know, that didn't
happen. Um
that's pretty incredible. The animal
data are really impressive. And I know a
number of people with pets dogs in
particular who've been injecting their
animals with BPC cuz their dogs are
getting older. I don't want to name
names here cuz it's I haven't cleared it
with them, but
they have dogs that either had spinal
strokes or just aged and were limping
and not doing well and they asked, you
know, does this stuff work in animals?
I'm like all the data are on animals.
You know,
so mouse and rat owners like your your
mice and rats will live
>> If you rupture the attendant the the
Achilles
>> Exactly, cuz there's a lot of data on
that. Um, but I know a lot of people now
um, injecting their dogs, aged dogs, and
saying, "Oh my goodness, this is crazy.
Like, they're more mobile, etc." And
it's hard to give the placebo argument
there. I mean, you could say that the
owners are doing other things, like
they're also massaging
more care They didn't do the saline
control, you know, but kind of hard to
explain it away. Okay. So,
the other one is pinealon.
Um,
pinealon is ironically is a peptide that
doesn't come from the pineal. Comes from
brain tissue. Epithalamin comes from the
pineal. Who names this stuff? It's like,
it's insane. But, um, I've experimented
with pinealon every third or fourth
night taking about about a, you know,
uh, 10th of an IU.
And, um,
in those nights those nights I get
anywhere from 2 and 1/2 to 3 hours of
REM sleep.
That's a lot of REM sleep inside of 6 to
7 hours. Inside of 6 hours, you're kind
of cheating the system because like,
"Wow, I like normally I'd have to get
into my last third of sleep, which for
me is 7 or 8 hours in order to
um, total, in order to get that REM
enriched phase, which always comes at
the end of the night." But, what's here
what's so wild is that on the subsequent
nights I also experience this massive
REM increase.
So, it's I've cut that back to doing it
once a week or at once every 10 days and
still getting the same effect. The only
downside for me is that the next day I
can feel not foggy, but I feel like it's
harder to become fully alert. I can
still focus, but
I know people who are taking it in the
daytime because they like being in this
kind of shallow plane of sleep wake for
cognitive work. That's not me, but um,
you know, there's talk about I don't you
know, well, I mean, rumors, whatever.
There's talk about people at tech
companies who are like, "Oh, yeah, if
you're going to do something for, you
know, 12 hours that's like really
laborious, maybe this is good." I don't
know.
>> [clears throat]
>> Um, so that's been interesting. Um,
you know, I think there's a lot of
excitement nowadays about growth hormone
secretagogues, things like tesamorelin
and ipamorelin and CJC. I'm not a fan.
They've always nuked my REM sleep.
They've always spiked my PSA. I I just
for me they don't they don't tend to
work. Um, I am curious about, but I I
don't think I'm old enough yet to really
embark on a
um somatotrop growth hormone experiment,
but the clinical trial
exploring low-dose growth hormone for
people
>> be exogenous, right? So not
>> That'll be exogenous, yeah. Um,
that's intriguing to me, but there there
are data, right? There are data. But I
feel like at 51,
I'm like, still in this place where I
feel good. So, so there's no real
science there. The other
sorry, aside from the growth hormone
thing, the other stuff is there's animal
data, not human data, but my experience
has been pretty impressive. Now, of
course, maybe I would give myself a
tumor by injecting the BPC. I have to
acknowledge that. Um, but a whole body
MRI tells me no, so, you know. Um,
the things that
well,
I've talked about this openly. Um, so I
I'm happy to talk about it. Um, you
know, you'll find clinical trials on
MDMA-assisted psychotherapy for PTSD.
You'll find clinical trial beautiful
clinical trial data, in my opinion, on
psilocybin for depression and PTSD. Um,
you won't find a lot of data combining
them. Um,
I've
I've experimented in a clinical setting
with combining them, right? This is done
in a legal clinical setting, so,
you know,
that means therapy going in, therapy
during, therapy coming out. You have to
be very thoughtful about where you do
this and who you do it with. They have
to All the adequate supports have to be
there, but uh for me that was
incredible. I have to say that um
psilocybin alone was helpful, but didn't
really feel like it resolved certain
things for me. MDMA was helpful in being
feeling feelings, etc. That first and
that kind of first and second been
acknowledging the thing and really
feeling the feelings [clears throat]
then.
But the moving through part um was
really for me was fun coupling the
negative feelings from the from the
negative thing, but also replacing
the negative feelings with positive
feelings. That really came about through
that combination therapy and and you
won't find a lot of data on that. I mean
that it's unfortunately
um the data on polypharmacology of
different psychedelics isn't there yet.
But then again the
FDA approval for the first single treat,
you know, single ingredient approaches
aren't there yet. And so that's why
people have to go out of country to do
this. Um
um or else it's illegal. So, I think
that the
you know, the the data on ibogaine are
really intriguing. We've had
conversations with people that are very
open about the fact that they did it and
it's helped them. I know a number of
people are trying to get us to go down
to Mexico and do Are we going to go?
>> On a daily basis I feel like I'm being
puppeted by somebody else to go, "Hey
man, just come down and turn your life
upside down for a week in [ __ ]
Mexico." I didn't know I
>> I have a friend that's there right now
and um I'm I told him not to go,
honestly. I'm sorry, but I I just was
like he don't He doesn't have a
substance abuse issue. So,
maybe he has PTSD, but I think there's
this idea also with peptides that we can
just up-level ourselves. Like people
say, "Should I use peptides?" Like "What
What effect are you looking for?"
Better.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, it's sort of like uh you know,
it's sort of like, "Should I invest in
blank?" It's like, "Well, what effect
are you looking for?" And they're like,
"More." They want more money. Um so it's
it's understandable. People want to feel
better. If like you feel seven out of
10,
could you feel 10 out of 10? If you feel
10 out of 10, could you change what 10
means and be eight out of a new 10
that's way better than your current 10
out of 10? Like that's an intriguing
idea,
but
I'm not so afraid of the ibogaine, to be
honest, done in the proper clinic with
heart rate monitoring. The thing I'm
afraid of is the DMT.
>> Yeah, because they have to hit you with
that the day after and then pretty much
straight after as well.
>> I also know a number of people who've
done DMT and they're I mean, I know
plenty who've done DMT and they're okay.
I know a lot who've done DMT and they're
genuinely weird now.
Not all of them, but some of them are
like legit weird.
>> Yeah.
>> And they were not that weird before.
Some are perfectly fine. The other thing
is a guy like DJ, he's talked about
this, right? I love that podcast that
you guys did, by the way. Like They
DJ is a solid mind.
You know, so
>> Well, also he's starting from a very low
baseline. If you're sat watching the
sunset with a gun in your mouth, like
you're already What what what's going to
be worse, you know? Like you've already
considered taking your own life. All
right. Wait, you go smoke the thing,
take the drugs, see how you feel.
>> Yeah, I mean, it seems to really helped
him and Marcus and some of these other
>> helped him enough that he's
trying to be a
uh like maître d for me and you, but a
maître d that sits down at the table and
eats along with you.
>> we go to sleep one night, not near each
other, of course, um and uh
>> Although actually, given where we live,
actually
>> So funny is So I I I got a a place that
turned out to be really close to Chris.
>> Spitting distance.
>> to be like the podcaster neighborhood if
we're not careful.
Um It's cool, man. We ended up being
neighbors. Well, good taste. Good taste
in neighborhoods. Um but what if uh you
go to sleep in your house and I go to
sleep in my house and then we we wake up
in in Mexico in this clinic.
>> Because DJ's done it like Maduro all
night.
>> someone did a Maduro.
>> Yeah, got [ __ ]
Shipley. Yeah.
>> Exactly.
Uh I've had similar things happen in
totally different context uh years ago
where I was supposed to get dropped off
after working with this with some
friends that have this awesome band um
and they were supposed to drop me off
uh back at my lab in my car and I I woke
up in Utah. They drove to Utah in the
middle of the night.
I woke up I was like, "Where are we?"
He's like, "Utah." He's like, "You're
one of us now." [laughter]
This is my good friend Elvis Cortez. He
was actually the one that found me
Costello and I love Elvis. He's great.
But yeah, they uh technically they
kidnapped me, but it was it was a lot of
fun. That was that was many years ago.
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