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>> Danny. Hey Joe.
>> Good to see you, brother.
>> Good to see you again, man.
>> So, right off the bat, you hand me this
Smithsonian pamphlet. It It's like a
very small book on Peruvian elongated
skulls, including like diagrams.
>> Yeah. Not Peruvian. These are from the
Pacific Northwest.
>> From This is one of the things where I
wanted to really bring up to you. The
majority of the elongated schools in
recorded history are from Washington
State, Oregon. Yeah.
>> Now, are these manipulated schools?
>> Yes, sir. Those were manipulated
>> by people. As a matter of fact, um when
Lewis and Clark reached the the Colombia
River, they passed the Cascade
Mountains. All of the Native Americans
west of the Cascades had artificially
modified schools. Look at the title of
the book. The Chinook sign of freedom.
If you didn't have an artificially
modified school, you were a slave.
>> Wow. The Shinook sign of fre sign of
freedom. A study the skulls of the
famous chief, how do you say his name?
>> Connley.
>> Conley.
>> And he was he was um he met with Lewis
and Clark during the uh during their
expedition. Um and he was as famous as
Sakajia was 100 years ago. Um but he's
just
>> disappeared. Um he had an artificially
elongated school. A bunch of images that
talk about it. He attributed his
intellect to his artificially elongated
skull. Um
>> what?
>> Yeah. That he they believed.
>> How would you know though?
>> They don't.
>> They did it when you were a baby.
>> Exactly. But they that's what they all
believed. And there is actually
something to this is one of the things I
that's really interesting that I've
stumbled on is
>> you know Neanderthal if you look at um
the difference between a Neanderthal
brain case and a human brain case is a
huge difference. Like I I have an image
if you don't mind, Jamie. You can throw
it up there if you don't care. Um but
it's all in the back. It's like there's
a thing called Chiari malfform type one
where the your base of your cerebellum
falls into your spinal cord and it
causes migraines and all kinds of stuff.
And scientists now are saying that it
probably came from us and Neanderthal
brain case skull not quite fitting.
>> And if you think about actually makes a
lot of sense, right? Right. I mean, the
Neanderthal school is way wide in the
back. And that's where all of your your
motor skills, your smelling, your
seeing, your hearing.
>> Yeah. They were more primitive. They're
probably super athletes. And the the
real the weird question is like, were
they smart? And how smart were they?
Like their frontal lobe is not as big as
ours. Correct.
>> Correct.
>> And that's where all the thought
processing and decision- making comes
from.
>> So, they probably had insane athletic
ability.
>> Oh, yeah. Absolutely. And and motor
skills and visual ability.
>> The visual ability is important because
look at the size of their eye sockets.
>> Now imagine if you wanted the best of
both worlds. So you were you were
breeding these two species together.
>> Look at the jaw on that [ __ ]
Imagine trying to knock that guy out.
Good luck.
>> You did about it. Although they had
chests like barrels, too. It's like they
they all look like you do naturally.
They don't have to lift. They just
they're just that way.
>> They probably look a lot more impressive
than me. Well, well, the guy on the
left, he looked he looked like me
naturally. He's
>> I mean, do you remember that one? It I
think it's just nonsense. But there's
this one guy who proposed the idea of
Neanderthalss being uh like gorilla
looking like super predators and he
thought that the eyes were bigger so
they could see at night
>> and he had like this crazy it was very
>> they were eating us all. Yes.
>> Right. Right. Right. Very sensationalist
nonsense
>> and the genetic evidence is what you
know.
>> Yeah. that guy. It was [ __ ] dope
though. The idea that this seeing the
dark, you know, like primate that lives
in the woods and was like infinitely
stronger than us. Like could you just
rip our arms, right? Like gorilla strong
>> and but but not smart enough that you
could like, "Hey man, could you please?"
No. No. No. No. He's just going to eat
you.
>> Oddly enough, has a skull that has a
larger capacity than us. And so then we
have to think, okay, is it just motor
skills? Like do we what do we know about
the brains of dolphins? Well, we know
that their their brain capacity it's
quite a bit larger. Like their
>> I think their cir their cerebral cortex
I think is like 40% larger than a
person's.
>> Yeah. Something crazy like that.
>> So what is that like what's going on
with them? Like how are they so much
more intelligent than us but they just
can't manipulate their environment so we
ignore it?
>> Well that could be it also could be a
degree of chemistry that they can't you
know I mean you can't do fire underwater
really. So you're kind of stuck with
your technological stuff.
>> There's no manipulation, right? So all
of their intellect must go into other
areas.
>> Social and hunting and
>> but then you find out how horrible they
are to each other.
>> Yeah.
>> You know what I mean? Like the infantry
side, you know, like dolphins, female
dolphins are very promiscuous. And the
reason why they're promiscuous is
because if the male doesn't know if the
cubs are his or not, if he thinks they
might be his, he's not going to kill the
cubs. But if a female has cubs, the male
will kill the cubs so that the female
will breed again. It's like, "Hey, I
thought you guys were like the super
peaceful [ __ ] smart ones."
>> Sounds like Sounds like kind of like us.
>> I don't know a lot of guys who are
killing babies so that the women will
breed,
>> but it gets close.
>> Chimpanzees do it.
>> Do they do that?
>> Yeah, they do that kind of stuff,
though.
>> Bears do that.
>> Yeah. It's It's
>> Bears do two things. They think they
think one they eat cubs to force the
female into breeding again, but two they
think they just do it for food.
>> It's just dark.
>> That's that's yeah that's arachnid
levels are dark. Right.
>> Cannibalism is dark
>> always.
>> And bears are all cannibals. And this is
the thing about people and the
athropomorph
anthropomorphication. Is that the word?
How do you say
>> anthropomorphic?
>> Anthropomorphification. I always I want
I want to say pro but it's po right.
an anthropomorph. Anthropomor Yeah, I
think you're right.
>> Um, whatever it is, people humanizing
animals. The weirdest one I think is
bears and like you can train bears.
There's bears at the circus. You like
they're an interesting animal, but in
the wild they are some of the [ __ ]
most brutal and ruthless creatures.
They're it's basically almost like a
giant wild dog, you know? And they tear
things apart and they eat things while
they're still alive. Like they're
[ __ ]
>> They don't care.
>> They don't care. They're [ __ ]
horrible. They're horrible to each
other. They go into dens and pull out
cubs and eat them. I mean, I
>> Yeah, just a different set of morality,
I guess you could say, or lack thereof.
But yeah, I'm glad I'm not a bear cuz
I'd probably have been eaten as a cub.
>> Or you would have been hit by a car. or
have been hit by a car.
>> Yeah, that's the rough.
>> Or caught in a trap and trained to be a
dancing ballerina bear or some [ __ ]
stand on a ball.
>> The um the the ancient humans though to
me are like I feel like this is a this
is a an emerging topic even though we've
known about Neanderls for so long now
that they know about Denisovvens, now
that they know about homo florian, how
do you say that? Floriansis.
>> Yeah, I'm that one pronunciation.
>> Island of Flores, man. The the hobbit
people. Now they they know, okay, we've
got two very distinct human beings that
lived with humans that aren't homo
sapiens. And the Dennisovven's one is
[ __ ] super weird. They're big.
>> They're big.
>> They were taller than us.
>> Then the bigger heads like very almost
like Neander. There is um some of the
stuff that I got for to talk about here
is um
>> like uh polyactly multiple fingers and
more than five fingers and toes on each
hand. That's in the Bible. They talk
about the giant. Okay.
polyactyl. If there's a gene GI um could
you pull up the one that says polyactly
paper, please? Thank you. It's they've
been studying this and there's a gene
that Neanderthal and Denisvens had that
a variant that increases polyactyl. It
increases um uh cranial deformations. It
increases a bunch of stuff. Um this is I
mean they and this is uh and this is all
newer stuff. You see that's 2023.
Oh,
>> and there's this is huge.
>> I saw your video on this where you
talked about there's one family in
Brazil that has uh like most of their
family members have six fingers and six
toes
>> and Yeah. And they say it helps them.
>> Of course.
>> Of course. I can grab the ball better. I
can play an extra string. Right.
>> Right. Imagine guitar extra finger.
That's nuts.
>> You could even be an ugly dude and and
seduce a woman when you got an extra
finger.
>> Good luck.
Chicks don't want to have kids with a
guy who has [ __ ] six fingers. I'm
some freak kid.
>> The the in South America, they actually
honored that stuff. They honored they
honored genetic deformations. I honestly
believe that they were actively breeding
different bloodlines together in South
America.
>> Look at that baby. That's crazy.
>> It's got five fingers and a thumb.
That's crazy.
I mean, the thing is they look
absolutely normal in every other way,
except the fact that they have five
fingers instead of four. Like, and it
would take you a few seconds. It's
almost like you're living in the Matrix.
And this is like an AI glitch, you know,
like AI glitches. They would have people
that have like additional appendages,
like a weird elbow growing off your
elbow, you know, cuz it just glitched.
>> The clat walks by. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I
like it would take you a while before
you real like imagine if you were high
and you went over this lady's house and
you saw her playing piano and you're
like wait a minute why is there so many
noises
>> slow down with the nose
>> how do you have so many fingers
>> you wait a you have extra fingers like
this dude had gloves gloves right there
>> bro he must be a [ __ ] of a
goalie
>> oh of course
>> right it's the greatest hand skill for
goalies
>> yeah but watch your space for sure.
>> More space. You cover it up.
>> But I think
>> definitely better if you could teach
them how to punch. You have a whole
another finger that like the width of
the hands would be greater. The weight
of the hands would be greater.
>> Yeah. The guitar players say it's not
the extra finger as much as it is the
extra stretch, the extra reach that lets
them
>> pop a couple extra frets.
>> Oh, that makes sense. That makes sense.
Especially like long fingers.
>> The guitar is still made for a five
fingered player, right? So you're Yeah,
you're just not
>> Well, you can figure out how to do it
with six. Look what Hendrick's doing
upside down. Played it left-handed.
>> I guess Stevie Rayvon, local hero.
Right.
>> Right. Turn that thing and stand. You've
seen the live at El McComber one where
he he takes his like $15,000
Stratacaster stands on the horns and
he's rocking the neck back and forth and
I'm just pops the string just pick
doesn't even care. Just go.
>> It's not a toy. It's not an instrument.
It's a damn toy. It's a tool. It's a
>> Yeah. Anyway,
>> I can gush about that guy for a bit. I
like Stevie. He's pretty good.
>> We have posters of or photos of him from
when he was on stage at the club way
before we owned it.
>> Oh, really?
>> Yeah.
>> He was on that stage in like the 80s.
>> Oh, wow.
>> I think I think the picture's from 83.
>> Yeah. I popped into Anton a couple of
times to just just just to smell the
air.
>> Yeah, Anton is dope. That's a great
place. I've seen Gary perform Gary Clark
Jr. perform there a few times. It's
[ __ ] sick.
>> Yeah. I haven't I haven't got to watch a
show there every time I'm in town. It
was up to no good. But uh I might have
to catch a show there one of these
nights.
>> Yeah, we did it and everybody got CO.
The whole crew, everyone backstage got
CO. One of their guys Yeah, one of their
guys had CO after the show. It was like
during the whole during the full
lockdown and they had a concert. I was
like, I can't believe we're at a
concert. And then we went backstage.
We're hanging out in the green room and
then everybody got CO.
>> [ __ ] I am not a fan.
>> Yeah, except me. I didn't get it.
Oh, it's because you were, you know,
it's funny. It's I was something that I
wanted to talk about on this anyway, so
we may as well get into it now, is the
co thing. You know, they weaponized
scientific literacy when they said trust
the science on the on the jab. That's I
there's a lot of things worth talking
about, but the the whole war on science,
like I keep call I get called a science
denier a lot. [ __ ] that. I'm a science
gatekeeper. You don't get to call it
science if it ain't science. You stop at
the door. Science is a method. It's a
it's a way we get somewhere. It's not
the end result. Carl Sean said, "Science
is more than a body of knowledge. It's a
way of thinking, a way of skeptically
interrogating the universe. The average
time for a peer review for a test on a
vaccine is about 10 years. You crank it
out in a year and a half, you haven't
followed the proper [ __ ] steps. You
haven't done science. I'm not a science
denier. I'm not I've just do it right
and come back,
>> right? It's not a coincidence that there
was so much money involved.
>> We're not stupid. No,
>> we know why it it wasn't done because
there was no other methods to treat this
disease. That's ridiculous. It's not
true.
>> And that's why they got so mad at me.
>> But that's where I was going to go with
your doctor, they they threw your
personal physicians under the bus. And I
don't know anything about that except
for that I can't extrapolate. I can
guess and say that the guy that your
personal physicians probably wants to
keep that job probably doesn't want to
see you croak from COVID in the
meantime. I mean, I could be wrong, but
you know, it it seemed really just
ridiculous that it was like, oh, they're
just pushing a bunch of pseudocience
[ __ ] It's like, um,
>> that you could look at it that way. And
I, you know, everyone was scared and
it's not their fault that they, you
know, they were presented with this
pandemic that caused people a lot of
anxiety, but was shocking to me was how
few people were willing to say, "What
did that guy do?" Instead of saying, "Oh
my god, you're anti-science. You're
promoting vaccine hesitancy. You didn't
get vaccinated and you survived COVID
and you're telling everybody how you did
it. This is anti-science. Like,
>> but it happened
>> except they told you you were using a
horse dewormer, right? Which
>> Well, that was completely insane. But
that that's just proof of propaganda.
But even without that proof of
propaganda, you also have this thing
like if if we are all trying to get
through something and you see someone
who is a very public person, I'm online
all the time. I have millions of
subscribers, right? Yeah. So, I'm very
scrutinized on my and everyone knows
that I work out all the time. Everyone
knows I take vitamins. I talk about it
all the time. Cold plunges and [ __ ]
hyperbaric chambers and all this
different [ __ ]
>> Why wouldn't they say, "Oh, apparently
if you're really healthy and you do
these things and for maybe whatever
reason you can't get vaccinated, this
works too."
>> There was never even a consideration,
right? Even even let's assume the
vaccine worked which it which didn't
like which let's assume that it
prevented infection which it didn't
prevented transmission which which it
didn't and didn't have any side effects
which is certainly not true. So, let's
just let's pretend it did. Even then,
you have people that are allergic to
some of the ingredients in the vaccine,
right? Aaron Rogers was one of them. And
so, if you tell those people, hey, I
understand that this medicine that works
you can't take, but here is a guy who
did something different and was fine.
Like, this is okay, too.
>> Instead, they shut all that down,
demonetized people, chose channels down.
It was It was bad.
>> It was interesting. It was it was it it
was interesting. It's you know um it's
funny watching it from hindsight because
we can look at it now and see where you
know everything's kind of settled
afterwards to a degree. But even still
like uh like for example the Fouchy
hearings nobody who was a big supporter
of his that I know personally knew about
that until I told him about it. It was
like it just didn't show up in their
[ __ ] radar.
>> They don't want to know about it.
>> Of course not.
>> I mean nobody wants to think that they
were completely wrong about that, you
know.
>> Yeah. And that was one of the things
they did whip everybody up into a fury.
>> Yeah. Look, when you're wrong about
something, you got to say, "Well, I was
wrong about that for sure."
>> That's really honestly like part and
parcel not just to being an honest
person, but like especially if you're in
science. Um,
>> yes. You know, like your boy, your
favorite archaeologist who's not a
scientist, that Flint Dibble guy, he
recently did a thing where he was making
fun of me and he's like pulls up this
thing talking about Easter Island and
how Easter Island's earliest habitable
layer has food stuffs from South America
and Asia. So like the as far back as
people were hitting Easter Island that
we're aware of, they were hitting both
of these continents a thousand years
ago. So I I mentioned this Flint clips
that he's like, "This is [ __ ] This
Dan's confidently wrong. He's full of
shit." Five minutes later in this live
stream, he catches that that is
accurate. Well, actually, there is uh
evidence of contact between the two, but
he never mentions that it was on Easter.
He saves his face rather than and I mean
that's not like a big surprise thing,
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>> Scientific. This is what I also think. I
think there's all this personal stuff
that goes on with these people that is
so completely unnecessary.
>> And I think the only reason why
archaeologists get dismissed
by these whatever you would call
yourself amateur
>> interested amateurs.
>> Interested amateurs in all things life
and looking at these looking at the data
and looking at the science of it. And
you're really good at it.
>> Well, thank you. I appreciate that. That
should be an asset. That's all that
should be. That should be an asset to
the archaeologists. And if you think
they're wrong about something, you
should talk to them. Now, I think when
he had that conversation with Graham, I
think that's the right way to do it. I
don't think necessarily he did it in
good faith. And I think he wanted to,
you know, push a certain narrative. And
one of the narratives was the thing that
disturb disturbed me the most is he was
trying to label Graham as racist for
proposing these theories that there's an
advanced civilization that existed
before the one that we currently see.
>> Yeah.
>> I don't think that it can be racist.
It's human beings. It's not just human
beings. It's human beings specifically
that live in the very area where those
human beings live.
>> So it's their ancestors. So the
ancestors of Africans are the ones who
built the pyramids, right? Whoever the
[ __ ] they were, whether whether they
were the people of 2,500 BC or whether
it was even earlier than that, whatever
it was, it was the people that lived
right there. The same people.
>> So, this is crazy.
>> Well, the whole thing is, this is what's
really funny. Atlantis, well, they say
you assume that Atlantanss were white.
Erggo, it's only the brown people
buildings that you ask questions about.
You're not asking questions about the
coliseum. It's like, okay, well, the
coliseum has written records. So, I know
why the coliseum was built, when it was
built, the parthonon, same thing. But
you know what I don't know about that
was built by white people supposedly?
Balbeck. Balbeck was supposedly built by
Romans. We're all doing it there, too.
It has nothing to do with color. It has
everything to do with written records.
They ignore this. One of my favorite
things to throw at him with Ballback has
no written records of the
>> not of the tril of the big stuff.
Exactly.
>> And how do you not write that down?
>> You wrote down everything.
>> The Romans wrote everything down. They
had scribes. Their job was to document
everything. They were very concentrated
on history.
>> Yeah. Yeah, we went off about this when
me and Jimmy Corsetti were here. Yes.
But talking about like the Roman foot.
>> Well, if Jimmy's right, Atlantis was in
subsaharan Africa.
>> It's Africans.
>> Well, I think honestly that I think
Atlantis is kind of a catch-all term for
a lost civilization that was globe
spanning. Yeah.
>> And like they would call us 10,000 years
from now, they would just lump us in
with the damn French and call us the
electronic civilization. And with the
exception of GSP, I don't want to be
associated with a damn French.
>> No, I'm kidding.
>> There's a lot of dope French people. I
love Montreal. I love
>> Speaking of um GSP is going to be at
that event. Um
>> Oh, is he? He's the best. I love that
he's doing a podcast. He's a very
fascinated guy. He's fascinated and
curious about so many things and he's
kind and he's open-minded and he's
really intelligent. He is so odd. Like
when people meet him and I go, "Do you
know who that is?" And they go, "No."
See, he's like a really nice guy. Like,
that is one of the greatest cage
fighters that ever lived, they're like,
"No way." I go, "One of the all-time
greats, if not the all-time great." I
think Jon Jones all time great. But I
think he's in the conversation like
George is in the conversation of one of
the greatest that's ever done it. And
meanwhile, he's the sweetest, nicest
guy. Dude, when I I made a comment once
to him on Instagram where he was like
doing these leg workouts and I was like,
"My legs will never look like that
because I'm sitting on a computer all
day smoking weed and reading." And he
goes, "I trade my legs for your brain
any day." And I'm just like, "Sut the
[ __ ] up. Your legs have made you
millions. What the hell you talking
about, boy?"
>> Well, everybody wants what they don't
have. You know,
>> he's going to have me on his pod here on
the 17th, too. He's going to be here the
16th or 18th or that thing at the end.
>> Yeah. everybody this thing. What are you
doing?
>> Uh here at uh the Quest for Ancient
Civilizations Conference October 16th
through 18th at the ACL live here in
Austin, Texas. Be me, Rand Carlson.
Um Base Forge, you just had him on here.
Bass 4J. Um and a few other guys. Um
yeah, this thing. There's got a bunch of
AI. See the AI generated Amish dude in
the middle there.
>> Look at all the pseudo science on one
picture. I love it.
>> Oh man. Yeah, we're we're there.
>> It's just like Duncan. It's going to be
>> That doesn't look like Duncan at all.
That's like Duncan on TRT.
>> But Curt and Duncan are going to be
there. The Mystery Boys. Those guys will
be Those guys are always
>> You hear Randle Carlson has a rap song
out now?
>> Yes. Yes.
>> Not Randall. I'm sorry. Billy Billy
Carson.
>> Randall. I didn't know he released one
together.
>> My brain got scrambled. Randle. Randall
is a rap song.
>> When we were in Sedon, Arizona, we him
were sharing an Airbnb and he was he
wrote it in like the late ' 80s. He was
spitting bars at me over breakfast. I
was just going [ __ ] damn. This was
not on my bingo card. Whoa.
>> Randle Carlson rapping at me for
breakfast. Carlson is a hip-hop head.
>> Uh, from the late '8s.
>> He's been
>> How do I How do I not know that? I've
known that for I should look it up or
not.
>> Poor J the [ __ ] away over here.
>> Randall Carlson hiphop. Please put that
into Perplexity. Ask our AI sponsor,
Perplexity, what Randall Carlson's
history in hip-hop is.
>> That would be dope watching [ __ ]
Santa Claus spitting bars like that.
>> I'm telling you, man. I was I it was I
was still drinking coffee and nursing my
morning bowl and I was like, "Well, holy
[ __ ] Is this the real world?"
>> Yeah. Crazy.
>> But yeah, uh that's going to be a fun
thing. GSP is going to be there now that
he just got officially 100% confirmed
about an hour ago.
>> That's fantastic.
>> But uh yeah, that's going to be a lot of
fun. Um but uh I'm going to be talking a
lot.
>> Tickets are available for that. You can
get them online.
>> Yeah, tickets are available. You can get
them online. The Quest for Ancient
Civilization. Thanks. Um um Quest for
Ancient Civilizations. Um, if you go to
my YouTube, there'll be stuff on there.
Uh, yeah. If you look for Quest for
Agent Civilizations, you'll have no
trouble finding.
>> So, this conference, uh, available
online, people can get tickets. Looks
like a dope lineup. And it's all the
stuff that I love to talk about. So,
>> yeah. Sick.
>> Yeah. I I jokingly called it the Rogan
Trinity when we got GSP. We've got the
pyramids, we've got the comedy, we've
got the ass whooping. It all
>> So, these people, let's go back to this
um this Smithsonian thing. these people
with their altered heads.
>> Is it your suspicion that they were
altering their heads to try to appear
like people that were already here? Like
the Peruvian skulls and
>> No, before I thought Oh, go ahead.
Sorry.
>> No, go ahead.
>> Oh, before I thought that, but um cuz
like there's skulls in China that were
originally mistaken for chromagnet and
Neanderthal and stuff like old and now
they say they're artificially modified
by people. But
>> no, I think um could you pull up the
image for Chiari malfformation? It's the
It's got two heads with one circled like
two cat scans.
>> Well, I was talking about the brain
falling down into the thing.
>> They believe that this is a problem from
Neanderthal andor Denise and mingling
with us. Skull too small, brain too big.
So now if you have this consistent
problem, you've got to always got
pressure on the brain.
>> See how it's pops down there? You've
always got this pressure on the brain.
>> Now imagine if you
>> you might drill holes in your head. Like
you've seen all the truncation that's
happened down there. There's an image of
that. Yep. And then or you might
elongate the back of the skull every
generation so that your kids don't have
the same [ __ ] headaches grandpa did.
>> And so it becomes a thing that and this
is why if you check out South America
Paracus is insane this way. They have so
many things. The polyactyli
the elongated skulls the tffonation.
There's a thing. Could you pull up the
Inca bone one where your skulls melt?
The plates in the skull melt in the
back. If there is stress or a lack of
equilibrium, you'll end up what they
call firmian bones. Ones in the back are
wormyian bones. The ones in the back are
so pronounced. Um, the are called Inca
bones because they happen mostly in Inca
territory. You also see in Easter
Island, the Pacific Northwest, and in
Asia. But this part of the skull right
there, um, there's one that's got a
Neanderthal that shows this, too.
Neanderthalss have the same issue.
There's another one. And there's an
island. Uh oh, Jesus. Um
but yeah, the uh Sorry, there's Yeah,
there's one
>> my own head right now.
>> There's one with white text at the
bottom, Jamie. Sorry. Um but yeah,
Neanderthal had it. Um and it's a uh
again, it's from a lack of equilibrium.
They say it's from the brain and the
skull, not quite fitting.
>> That makes sense.
>> I think in South America, I think that
they were mingling different bloodlines.
them the the same as you can look at a
guy that plays Reacher and tell that
he's probably got more Neanderthal in
him than I do. And they would mingle
these bloodlines and then they would get
all kinds of different Yeah, there's a
Neanderthal one. Um they would get all
kinds of different genetic variations.
And I think some of these were bad, but
some of them were honored. Like you've
seen the jaguar people of the Mech.
>> Okay. Um you ever seen uh could you pull
up the the dental dysplasia one? The kid
with the two fangs. There's there's
dental things. It'll make you grow fangs
as a child. And it also quite often will
give you a hair lip. Jaguar.
>> Whoa. And so like if you look Yeah.
And so like
>> what do you think that's from?
>> Again, this is from
>> Is that some ancient [ __ ] where people
used to have teeth like that?
>> It's it's DNA there. They again when we
crossmingle DNA. Um there should be one
uh right there about the mouths with the
uh paper. Sorry, I have to pull up the
exact
>> right. But those teeth, that's not in
any other human primate that we've ever
found.
>> No, it's it happens in ours. But with
>> So, it's just a mal foration.
>> A malf for that. And we have a lot of
that like the uh some people just keep
growing teeth. Right.
>> Right.
>> Um you know, or you get different bones
in the head. Um different shapes of the
skull.
>> I've seen the skulls, ancient skulls
with rows of teeth.
>> Yeah. Yeah. some of those um like they
don't know for sure how many of those
are legit, but the um there's there's
definitely no question that these things
happen. That's again the real problem
with this is becomes a cover up. Like a
little bit ago I mentioned that they
were all these elongated schools in the
Pacific Northwest. um Mount Coffin in
Long View, Washington. When Colonel
Charles Wilks or Lieutenant Charles
Wils, whose father happened to be a
member of the Skull and Bone Society in
England, when he got to Long View,
Washington, he saw Mount Coffin, this
place where they had these above ground
burials, and there were 3,000 of them,
all of them supposedly would have had
elongated skulls because again, if you
don't have an elongated skull in that
neck of the woods, you weren't a
freeborn person. And this was you had to
be noble to be buried there. 3,000
elongated skulls. When he left this
campfire accidentally burnt the place
down, all those skulls disappeared. Um,
that image that he Jamie skipped past a
little bit goes just a dude sitting on
pile of bones. This is an Indian burial
ground and they were just looting the
things and selling them left and right.
>> Where do you think those things are?
>> In people's house, people's hands.
>> Well, I've never heard of a story of a
person having an elongated skull in
their private collection. I have a
couple of people that have commented on
my videos saying like, "I saw one at so
and so's house in 1978, but
>> but here but I'll give you the smoking
gun though, right? If you're like some
Rockefeller type guy, you got a mansion
in Rhode Island."
>> It's funny you brought up Rockefeller in
the 30s when T down in Paracas, he he
starts putting out, hey, we've got these
elongated skulls down there and I need
money. He was getting $300 a year to
take care of them. Rockefeller gets wind
and history says flat out he took an
unexpected trip to Peru. He dropped
three grand and walked back with four
bundles. Now according to
>> that's it. Three grand.
>> Yeah. And four four grave bundles.
That's 10 times what Tel was getting a
year. 10 times what the guy was getting
a year to take care of all of them. He
coughs up four out of like 300 bundles.
Now those four bundles were supposedly
displayed at the Met. Supposedly
displayed at the National History Museum
in New York. No photos exist. No
drawings exist. They may have been
repatriated. They may not have been
repatriated. Depends on who you ask. The
AI will run you in a damn circle of
going with it. At the end of the day, we
don't know which four they what they
look like. But I can tell you this much.
There's about 300 of those bundles to
pick from. Do you think Rockefell if one
of them had great big old devil horns
and a third eye, do you think
Rockefeller left it or took it with him?
Did [ __ ] no-brainer [ __ ] Right.
Right.
>> So, the best of the best always gone.
And as soon when Rockefeller found out
that he couldn't go get the ones in the
Pacific Northwest anymore, but there was
some somewhere else, he ran there. And
right now, you sent me the video just a
little bit ago. But this is more there.
These skulls are disappearing off the
shelves in the museums right now.
>> Yeah.
>> Right as we speak. This this cover up.
There's this cover up. You I'm sure
you've seen the map. Um it a 100 years
ago they wrote drew a map of artificial
cranial deformation and then like 10
years ago they made another one. both of
these on peer-reviewed papers and the
older map has more information. There's
more the more areas they've erased. The
island of Newi had it. Ancient Hawaiian
people had about 8.9% of them that they
dig up had elongated skulls. Nobody
[ __ ] talks about that. Nobody knows
about it. If you want to go look at it,
the answer is no.
>> When you say ancient, like what year?
>> Not sure. But when they dig them up and
they start doing at prehistoric they
call it, but prehistoric in Hawaii, you
know, maybe a thousand years ago.
>> Wow. So this is all over the world
people are doing that. Well yeah that
what you're saying about the brain size
and the the base of the brain completely
makes sense.
>> Thank you. I I mean to me it seems like
the most smoke and it not only does it
smoking gun it's like it coincides with
human evolution because what would be
imagine you've got a Neanderthal and a
homo sapiion and they're talking to each
other trying to figure out a problem and
they both walk away from that with like
mad respect for the other person's
ability to see what they don't. wouldn't
they want to mingle that?
So like uh Jamie, could you pull that
picture that I got of the uh that family
tree? Um it's just it's like an empty
blank white family tree and then right
after it's the like imagine if you were
trying to make a symbol to tell
everybody, hey, this is where we mingle
bloodlines. So like this is a standard
kind of thing, right? And could you pull
up that condalabra next? should be like
>> um sorry
>> uh that same symbol basically with the
condal labra of the Andes you've seen
that right the
condal labra of the Andes is visible 12
miles out to sea okay um
if you think we're trying to draw the
draw we're trying to draw the mingling
of of bloodlines and here's a symbol of
where we're doing it [ __ ] doesn't I
mean does that kind of look uncanny. And
then could you pull up that Paracus
textile, Jamie? This one even wore. This
is when they buried people in paracus.
This was they'd put them in these
textiles. And this one textile. Look,
they're back. They look at what that try
to translate that and keep in mind what
I was just telling you. Okay. It looks
like a monkey on either side and then a
person in the middle. And it looks like
there's some sort of a transference of
something through the top of their
heads. Well, that's upside down.
>> Yeah, that's upside down. Well, there's
first of all, it looks like they did
DMT.
>> Well, clearly
>> it looks like they
>> This is Hours of Iawaska right there,
buddy.
>> 100% they were on DMT. Um, but that does
look like two monkeys, right? It looks
like they have tails,
>> doesn't it?
>> Yeah, it does.
>> And then the one in the middle looks
like the bad [ __ ] That's the
boss.
>> That's pregnant.
>> I've met that guy before.
>> You have?
>> I have. I met that guy. I met that guy
over there. But you see that notice in
the middle of the thing, he's got a
something in his tummy.
>> Uhhuh.
>> Um I mean, if you think about the same
line of reasoning, we're mixing
different blood lines to make something
more. That image kind of seems to
>> Also, they always have three fingers and
three toes. And then you get to the
tridactyl mummies.
>> I do. Yeah, look at the monkeys. I don't
know what to think about the tridactyl
mummies.
>> Neither do I. It's honestly like um I'm
of the opinion now that I think that the
genetic stuff they were doing in South
America down in Peru created a lot of
artificial created a lot of natural
weird problems and some of them would be
um like misshapen skulls and then I
think they would wrap the heads to
artificially modify them and I think
that's why down there they get so crazy
looking is because it's a combination of
genetics and of artificially playing
with it. Okay.
>> The rest of the world, they don't get
that con.
>> So, do you think maybe they had like a
bulbous roundish head but extra large?
Because there's those skulls as well
that seem to be not deformed, but they
do have a larger brain capacity.
>> Yeah. Though the ones that are bulbous
in the back, those are um that's the
most common type of cranial deformation
that you see. It's what um conly skull,
the chief that I was showing you. Um
it's uh Can you pull that one up,
please, Jamie? Sorry.
>> So, bulbous in the back. Bulbous. Yeah.
That's huge. Yeah. And that again that
would keep it. And now notice even back
a 100 years ago that picture that he was
just showing that uh
>> the other photograph. Why isn't his
skull elongated?
>> Well, it's hard to tell because he's
looking straight on. It could be.
>> All of the all of the artistic work of
him is lacking that for some reason.
>> Right. But couldn't you see that if some
Well, that one looks pretty elongated.
>> God, go back to that. That's crazy.
Imagine meeting those dudes. You'd be
like, "Yo, what are you?"
>> Check check.
>> And look, they're doing it to the baby
right there.
>> Oh, the poor kid. Oh, imagine being a
baby. You're [ __ ] strapped into that
thing.
>> Oh, man. Dave's uh in this book here, it
quotes from a book called A Story That
Used to be Required Reading up where I
live. And uh the guy that witnessed
them, one of these kids being their
headbinding, it said that their eyes
bulged out of their skull like a mouse
caught in a trap.
>> Oh my god. So when you think about that
honestly, but if your kid was going to
have migraines incessantly for the rest
of their life, you might just do that
anyway.
>> Yeah, I guess they had to do it if
you're right. If you're right about the
base of the brain, which kind of tracks
it,
>> but it to me the the the capacity of the
skulls being so much larger and some of
the Peruvian skulls is weird.
>> It is. It's a funny one, too, because
these guys will argue back and forth.
You'll get a lot of skeptics that say
there is no larger capacity, but the
guys that measure it claim that there
is, and the other guys that measure it
claim it's
>> Well, that one that we always show all
the time, Jamie, that one that I'm
really fascinated by, that one image,
it's so big. It's so big. It's so crazy.
You're looking at it and you're like,
"What is that?" That Imagine meeting
that guy. You would be freaked out like
that. That would not look at all like a
person. You would think, "Oh my god,
this guy's from another planet."
>> Yeah. Like that guy. And then there's
the sagittal suture thing that some of
them don't have the sagittal suture that
we have.
>> Yeah, that's uh Yeah. Again, um these P
>> Look at that head.
>> Look at that head, man. Also, look at
the size of the eye sockets.
>> Yeah, it's it's
>> the eye sockets are [ __ ] huge. That
person must have insane eyeballs.
Imagine what their eyes would look like
when they're looking at you. I mean, how
much bigger is that than a human's eye
socket? It's so much bigger.
That must have been a wild looking dude.
Imagine bringing that guy over your
house for a party. Your friends be like,
"Yo, who's the guy who keeps reading
everybody's mind?"
>> I know. No [ __ ] Now, I'm not playing.
If you were playing trivia, he's on my
team.
>> That guy's the freakiest one, man. The
one on the left. But what you're saying
might be accurate, right? That that
might have been a rounded thing that was
manipulated to be a a flattened thing.
>> Yeah, that's I I think that it was I
think that it was partially natural.
Like even the sagittal suture that um
this is one of the things they find with
Denise and Neanderthal DNA. That one on
the right, is that real? This
>> Yeah. Is that AI? Is that horseshit?
That's [ __ ] real.
>> Come on, man. What are we looking at?
And someone stole that. Someone's got
that in their [ __ ]
>> Rhode Island mansion.
>> Of course.
>> You know those uh Bronze Age or Gilded
Age mansions that they have in Very
weird, man. And I got into a a YouTube
rabbit hole the other day of bronze or
guilded age mansions. Oh boy.
>> In Newport, Rhode Island where all these
like [ __ ] super rich creepy people
set up their castles.
>> It's nuts, man. I guarantee if you get
in the room, there's a [ __ ] glass box
and inside of it there's one of these
skulls. It looks like it's from another
planet.
>> But yeah, and and it's so it's weird to
me that they're hiding all this. It's
it's
>> somebody's hiding all that. Well, it's
it the maybe not just somebody, but
there's definitely money behind it
because it it happens like so fast and
it hap like the the article I'll I I
will link an article in a video and
it'll be dead in two weeks and I'll have
to go [ __ ] find like I've got three
different ways to find this one thing
right now and I've downloaded it because
it's just keeps disappearing. It's the
what talks about Rockefeller buying the
skulls and it's just
>> someone scrubbing the internet of the
rockfeller scub.
>> Oh, it still shows up. But
>> you think it's because someone has them
and they're like, "Shut up."
>> I'm [ __ ] I'm 100% those school. Do you
The history says that he either
repatriated them or he left them in the
museum and it's like it so and then I
asked you asked, "Well, what's the
catalog numbers?" Oh, well, there are no
catalog numbers for human remains. Okay,
[ __ ] you. I know better than that. It's
it's and the ultimate what really gets
me is is this. They give you the same
excuse for Papa New Guinea as they do
for China, as they do for Easter Island,
as they do for Hawaii, as they do for
the Pacific Northwest, as they do for
Paracus. Well, it's about, you know,
it's about like protecting the
indigenous people's um beliefs and they
they don't want you to have like their
skulls because then that would be like
you have part of their souls. It's like,
okay, I can understand that some of them
might think this way, but we got
Menanites in Pennsylvania that don't
believe that, and they're sitting right
next door to their friends that do
believe that. Um, how am I supposed to
accept that the entire Pacific Rim
[ __ ] all falls into line? We can't
get them to do that same [ __ ] in
Pennsylvania. I don't I don't buy it.
This is This is a European thing. This
isn't a This isn't an islander thing.
This isn't a Polynesian thing that's
covering these things up. These people
are perfectly content to have their
skulls displayed. as far as we can tell.
But it's always some white dude going,
"Oh, we gota we gotta hide those [ __ ]
skulls because we got appeasy
at the end of the day. Please put all
your [ __ ] in in the in the museum so
that we can keep a good eye on it for
you. Can I see it? [ __ ] you. It's gone.
[ __ ] you. It's gone. Try to find this
online. You'll find an an image that
says no image available that has a title
and that's it. you. There was one, last
I looked, there was one copy that was in
a uh that was in a library in Malta.
>> And you really think that's because
someone's in possession of this stuff
and they're trying to squash it?
>> I think that there's a narrative there
that people don't want pushed. I think
that it might have something to do with
um I mean, let's be honest, what I'm
talking about when you start talking
about mingling different bloodlines for
different traits, this does sound
awfully eugenics, right? This does sound
like it's dipping your toes into this
kind of politically incorrect stuff. But
how is it eugenics if people just
interbred?
>> I if there was a I believe there was a
program in Paracus like uh
>> really could you pull up one of the
pictures of the person presenting the
when they would bring their jag there's
there's when those jaguar babies right
the the jaguar people in the mech
society had the hair lip and the things
like I was showing there's more than one
statue of them presenting them. Here you
go. Tada. Here's my baby. This baby's
all [ __ ] mutilated. Not like me.
Tada. There you go.
>> That baby doesn't look mutilated,
though.
>> It's uh That's not a very good image,
but yeah, it's
>> Are there any That one doesn't look That
one looks normal. It just looks like a
mother with a baby.
>> Well, you have to If you look at the top
down, both of those, they have hair lips
>> and they're missing the teeth. They're
They are jaguar babies.
>> Like that one, that last image. Yeah,
>> that's a that's a trophy skull
>> with a the only trophy skull known with
a cleft lip. You know, if you were born
with a cleft lip, even the Spanish
recorded, if you were born with a cleft
lip, uh, to their people, they would put
you in a temple as part of the workers,
you were considered holy. Six fingers
was considered holy. Deformationations
were considered holy.
>> And this trophy skull, what is, what do
you mean by that?
>> I mean that this is like a mummified
skull with a hole drilled in it. I wish
I could get a real image, but this is
the only one that exists. Is this
>> So, somebody has that somewhere in the
museum or
>> Yeah. Or somewhere? Yeah,
>> somewhere.
But yeah, there's there's a bunch of
these trophy skulls that they kept down
in South America. They would wear skulls
on their belt. They didn't shrink them
or nothing. They just drill a hole right
in the [ __ ] thing and hang it right
on their belt.
>> Yeah. But that one was especially prized
cuz that was a noble.
>> You're walking around with a noble
person's skull hanging from your belt.
That's how they would wear them.
>> I'm a badass.
>> Wow.
>> Yeah. That part of the world was never
>> So you think there's a potential that
they were creating they were breeding
people specifically.
>> Yeah. I think that they would like pick
pick bloodlines and be like, you know
what, you look more like and you look
more like and you need to have a baby
together and then
>> here's a baby.
>> Oh, we got a good one. It's a jaguar.
>> So what do you think the whole tridactyl
thing is?
>> I think some of the tridactyl mummies
look fake as [ __ ] to me, just to be
clear. the early the tiny ones
>> the little the ones that look like cake
>> but the ones that they do the cat scans
of you're like wow you know
>> and then you find out that they're like
at least 1200 years old you're like are
you telling me that 12200 years ago
someone created this
>> I think DNA would be a good way to to
get into that to begin with because
>> yeah I mean it's just weird that this is
all going on and we don't have
definitive answers and there's not also
like a mad rush amongst scientists to
discover. Are these two trophy skulls?
>> Yeah.
>> Oh, this one just has a drill hole in
the forehead and a rope attached to it.
>> They didn't [ __ ] clown around
>> with the skin on it and the hair. So,
this person is just walking around with
someone's head wrapped around their
waist.
>> The description I just read said they
were most I mean, the ones that they
found were young women,
>> like 13 or 16 years old.
>> But I don't know if that's what these
are.
>> One of them looks like a woman. The one
on the right looks like a woman.
kind of looks like.
>> That's so crazy.
>> But yeah, that's that's where things get
so weird when you go back and you
realize that entire cultures
they they they engaged in ritual
sacrifice at a mass scale like what the
Aztecs did. They did wild mass sacrifice
and they their their culture was so they
it involved sacrifice so much that they
would go out and get other people and c
that's one of the reasons why Cortez was
able to group all these other people to
attack the Aztecs. Like these
[ __ ] have been killing us
ritually forever.
>> Yeah, we're we're happy to kick these
guys' ass. Oh wait, you're not going to
help us out afterwards? Oh, my one of my
favorite stories about that afterwards
is they're like, "Okay, we need all you
guys to bring all your cotices here so
that we can we can put them on these
shelves." And so like all these
Mesoamerican cotices show up and the
Spanish fryer is like torch [ __ ]
watched them all burn.
>> Yeah.
>> And there's like a handful left that
exist now.
>> I know.
>> They just bought it like three years
ago. They bought those ones from a
family in Mexico that had had them for
like 500 years. And one of them talks
about the building of Teayoti Wakan.
>> Whoa. And the Mexican government bought
it for like 250 grand. It was like like
I was telling Matt Bell and Matt Bell's
like that's [ __ ] nothing.
>> Is that a dope trophy?
>> Some of these are [ __ ] sick.
>> Ancestor chief skull. Wow.
>> Hold on though. Wait till I get to some
of these down here.
>> Holy [ __ ]
>> So now imagine this. These are crazy.
>> Oh man. Are you sure they aren't from
Hellraiser?
>> This is like straight out of the
Predator.
>> Yeah. So these were found in Asia.
>> What?
>> My dear god. I don't this some of this
looks almost like this is like from out
of a movie set.
>> Well, they've glued like tusks onto some
of the skulls.
>> What the hell is that?
>> Whoa. Go back up a little bit.
>> Well, that look like some of
>> Yeah, that one on the right with the the
horn coming out of his nose. What the
>> human child trophy?
>> Human child trophy skull. What the [ __ ]
man?
>> How did I never hear about this before?
Well, how about the one with the
headsets on? That one's got headphones
on.
>> That's I almost
>> What the [ __ ] man?
>> Why Why does it say info email? Are you
selling these?
>> That's Yeah, I mean I I stumbled across
something here. It does say art
>> art tribal art Asia, which is doing some
weird [ __ ] But
>> yeah, that actually doesn't look like a
skull. That looks like it's carved out
of wood. Like the nose part, it's all
filled in.
>> You imagine if they you found out there
was a website you could just order
trophy skulls.
>> That's what I was I did. I was finding
recreated ones on uh Etsy that people
are making.
>> Oh,
>> it says it's a replica.
>> Lord,
>> but
>> what kind of a [ __ ] Etsy person
>> made by monster? That's the kind of
person.
>> It's like I ain't even trying to hide
it. [ __ ] I'm a monster.
>> [ __ ] dude with an Etsy page of just
skulls. That's wild,
>> boy. But you know, even uh some of these
ch heads have hair lips.
>> Like I got a a picture saved on one of
those that has it. It was And again, if
uh you mingle Neanderthal or Denise DNA
with human DNA, this is a thing is you
end up with facial deformations
including hairlets.
>> I think it's real, bro.
>> What?
>> Early 20th century diiacinized
trophy skull and it's got a name. It
costs a lot of money and they say where
it came from.
>> You could buy that.
>> Yeah.
>> Talking about
>> plug in for the price.
>> Do you think that Can you imagine if we
had a [ __ ] skull, human skull on the
desk? That's too creepy.
>> That is
>> cuz we don't know how the guy died or
the woman died.
>> A private collection from Thousand Oaks,
California.
>> Wow. See how many private collections
are out there. I was telling
>> See if you can find elongated skull for
sale.
>> I was telling you about how I got here,
honestly. I was looking. I was telling
you about that Chief Connley.
He was a huge friend to the honks that
came through that area. He he married
off his daughters to fur trappers. He
cried when they moved the fort 30 miles
away. He was like he was a bunch of
braves came up and said, "We're going to
go kill all these white guys." He's
like, "Hey, hey, hey, do you know see
how tight their tightly woven their
cloth is? Do you see how strong their
weapons are? Do you see any of their
kids or their women? Do you think this
is all they're capable of or do you
think they're going to bring more to
bear when they bring their families with
them? Let's not [ __ ] with these guys."
He was really shrewd and smart. He died
three years later. Some British dude
chopped his [ __ ] head off. They
actually had hit him. They instead of
these above above ground canoe burials,
they'd hit him because they knew. Dude
chops his head off, ships the skull back
to England. And it wasn't until this
this came out five years after they'd
repatriated the skull to the Chinuk
people.
>> But yeah, they actually carved on the
back of his [ __ ] head even like um
Yeah. Here, Chief Conley. We Here's his
skull. And here's a friend says,
>> if you can't see it, they engraved that
on the back of his skull.
>> Oh my god.
>> It's like so horrific. And uh like so
you can see why the Smithsonian might be
a little hardressed in letting this
stuff out. But um
>> well well the the Provian skulls though,
do do like when you you look at them and
you look at the monster rod, do you
think there's more to this story? Is it
is this as simple as cranial deformation
plus uh they do it on purpose or is
there a potential for a different
species of human that live there?
>> There's almost certainly in my opinion a
different species is human that live
there and I mean even you know I'm not
into the ancient alien stuff but in all
honesty I wouldn't be if if there was
aliens intermingling with humans this
would probably be the best smoking gun
place for it. There's also all the
evidence that they were building art
that you could only see from the sky.
>> Exactly.
>> Which is really weird.
>> Which is really weird. And um even
things like uh like that condalabra of
the Andes that I was that's visible
again 12 miles out to sea. Easter
Island's close enough. Imagine the guys
jumping down from right here from
Portland, Oregon. Just jumping down the
coast to Paracas.
>> Where were you drawn the conclusion that
that represents genetic engineering? I I
wouldn't have drawn it to begin with,
but it looks like a family tree and it's
like with everything else lined up all
of a sudden it's like, well, I mean, if
you're trying to say, "Hey guys, this is
where we do this. What symbol would you
use?"
>> Right?
>> And that's where, okay, if again, if
this was in a vacuum, this that's not
how I got there. This is this is kind of
the icing on the cake is the paracas
condalabra and that uh that textile
thing. The honest to god evidence is I
mean there's a lot of papers that a
handful of papers that I've got
screenshots of there but you pick your
genetic deformation and then Google it
with denis or neanderthol and almost
guar [ __ ] teed hydrophilis that big
skull thing that I showed there you see
some few of those in paracus with those
great big things hydrophilis is
something that's they is the frequency
is increased when you mingle denisven or
neanderthol DNA it's constant issue
>> that candalabra image does that image
appear in other areas?
>> It actually does. Crazily enough, it
appears in Easter Island on skulls that
are carved with that same image.
>> Wow.
>> I I I didn't put any in the file, but
I've got them in a a video. There's two
of them that they have. One is like a
straight line, and then one's like a
birdman kind of. It's But it's the same
image. It's the same.
>> When you say skull, do you mean human?
>> I mean, a deceated like those we were
just looking at. So, a dead human that
has that on their head
>> that they scratched it in afterwards
like that. There's a the par the uh
Easter Island had elongated skulls, but
almost all of those are gone. Um they're
and they're hard to find images of, like
impossible, but they do have these. Um
and they were like they would do artwork
on skulls after they would die. And a
few of them do strongly resemble the
condol.
>> And is that condol is that anywhere else
down there? Is it aware of?
>> Not that I've seen.
>> Can I see that again, please? The
candalabra, cuz uh the family tree
thing, it's like is it the same
configuration on the Easter Island
heads? Um or is it similar? The uh it's
it's not identical, but it's really
what? Look for uh Easter Island modified
skull, Jamie, and that'll probably pull
up the uh it'll be a paper. I doubt
you'll find it. Uh,
I doubt you'll find it in the images
section, but if you click all, there
should be a paper that the um, yeah,
maybe you have to go to Google Scholar
to find it. I apologize, but uh,
>> it's okay.
>> Yeah, they've there is there's artwork
on these things and a handful of them
that is uh,
>> I'll find something here.
>> There's artwork on a few on two of them
in particular that's got that that same
fork symbol. And one of them they they
call a bird that a bird man. There we
go. Bam. There's the bird man.
>> And then they're on the same page. You
should see. Good job, Jamie. You're a
[ __ ] pimp. See, they did a bunch of
art on these skulls, but two of them
have that same symbol.
Do they show that here?
>> They're right there.
>> It's got that thing similar.
>> Super similar.
>> Yeah. They're not identical for sure,
but it's it does have the same three
things forking together to make.
>> So, it's just a theory that that's the
tree of life
>> or that the family tree rather.
>> Yeah. No, that's totally again that that
the family tree thing is completely uh
completely my thing. Um I'm way
>> this one represents a penis entering a
vulva
>> right in the back of his head.
>> He drew it on his head. That guy was
like the earliest bad tattoo art ever.
Maybe they were honoring person's
ability to deep throat
>> this far back.
>> [ __ ] gave you skull. You knew it.
>> X marks the spot.
>> But yeah, again I the this the imagery
and stuff. I can't be 100%. All right. I
mean, you can never be 100% of this
stuff. But the genetic
those wormian bones I showed you on the
back, they call them Inca bones for a
reason because they show up in the Inca.
They the Incas have a higher the South
American and Peru, they have a higher
instance of cleft pallets. They have a
higher instance of polyactyl. They have
just pick your [ __ ] thing that's in
line with all this and it it happens
more there than it does almost anywhere
else in the world. And then when you see
everything else, the elongated skulls
that frankly beggared belief um imagery
and stuff that seems to the way that
they praised genetic deformations. It
seems almost unthinkable they wouldn't
be trying to imagine if everybody in
your society praised kids that were
looked a certain way. Wouldn't you
necess I mean wouldn't some people want
to have kids that look that way?
>> Right. And there was probably some
benefit that also came with that.
>> Exactly. I mean again an intellect
>> they went well something
>> even if it was just a social even the
kid could be think about this one person
born with those weird teeth and a cleft
pallet that's also a little Einsteiny.
Oh it takes one from every now on it's
like you this guy looks like Einstein.
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That's like when people in the uh 1400s
were getting syphilis and they all
started wearing the big wigs.
>> Exactly. Exactly.
>> It just took that one royal family with
syphilis to wear wigs and everybody's
like got to wear a wig.
>> That's that isn't that it's got to we
follow these trends, right? It's it's
people are weird that way, but here we
are.
>> That's a weird one. that the the the the
higher classification of a person who is
born with other human DNA that's given
them specific traits. But the thing
about the monsterat stuff and that
doesn't seem like a human the if the if
that's real the three fingers and the
three toes and don't they have extra
ribs?
>> Yeah,
>> something like that or extra vertebrae
>> that
>> the size of the head. The whole thing
looks so weird. You're like, "Okay, is
if this really has been carbon dated to
12,200 years ago, if that's legit, what
is that?" Because that I don't think
that 1,200 years ago people were capable
of recreating something like that that's
going to survive at a CAT scan.
>> Why would you do the kind of work that
they did that you can only see from a
CAT scan? Because the entire outside of
it is covered. Yeah.
>> Right. It's got the the the white clay
and it's all mummified and there's
tissue that's mummified.
Yeah. How? No, that's I
>> How the [ __ ] did you do that?
>> That's a very that's I mean that's
that's a good point. And again that uh
the the one gene that's responsible for
polyactyli when they they uh in mice
when they introduced it to the the GLI3
variant that happens in Denise and
Neanderthal in mice caused extra ribs,
extra vertebrae, skull misshapen, dental
morphology [ __ ] up, and sometimes
extra fingers. Sometimes good extra
fingers, sometimes bad extra fingers.
>> Did the mice figure out how to get out
of the cage? I don't think so.
>> They start get really smart. You start
leaving notes.
>> Pink scratch notes in the window. Let me
out.
>> Pinky, today we conquer the world.
>> Well, do you think the Smithsonian has
had giant bones?
>> Yes. I not only that, but this is funny.
When I was here last time, I would have
I would have told you. I don't think so.
I mean, maybe 6'5, but I've done a lot
of research in it since then. [ __ ]
Okay. One dude who I'm sure I'll get his
name wrong. His name was Als Hyda. He
was a guy from Hungary who was a medical
doctor. He had this theory that's a lot
like uh the same theory of frenology
like uh Leonardo DiCaprio poking on the
back of the skull. Boy, that makes you
docel.
>> Um except for it was all-encompassing
with the skeleton. He believed that you
could do it with arms and bone arm bones
and leg bones and all of it.
>> So he left medical science to become an
anthropologist to push that narrative.
He [ __ ] said it point blank. And then
he goes out and says, "Oh, all these
Indian bones that you guys have that are
bigger than white people bones." Didn't
happen. This guy's got a vested interest
in proving that white people are
superior. And that he believes that you
prove this by the skeletons. And he
comes out and debunks all the giant
bones. And the way he did it, he's like,
"Oh, see these bones? These aren't giant
bones." It's like, "Dude, that's Yeah.
When I get pulled over by the cop, I
pull out the I don't have any drugs on
me, officer. See, these are cigarettes."
What year was this again?
>> Uh 1930s.
>> And there are there images of these
bones this guy's displaying?
>> Very very little. It's almost all of
this has just been scrubbed. It's So
what was he saying those bones were?
>> He was just saying that he said that
people mis mismeasured them. This is
where it gets really really ugly. It's
he accuses people. Some of these guys
were really good at their job and he'll
accuse them of mismeasuring them and not
knowing how to properly apply a tape
measure. And the worst example of this
in 1959, 20 years after this dude's done
this, one of the dude in charge of the
department of the humanities at the
Carnegie Museum, Dr. Don Doo, dug up in
one of these Adena mounds a a skeleton
and he says according to the inground
measurements, this indicates an
individual that in life would have been
7 foot 3 in tall.
They debunk it by saying, well, this is
just an ingground measurement. This is
just it's it has he didn't do any other
uh any other work with it or anything.
It's like the man flat out said it
indicates he was is 1959 15 years after
they had all the mathematical formula
for doing skeletons. This guy they threw
him straight under the [ __ ] bus to
debunk that skeleton that you can't find
anywhere because they won't show it to
you. So it it's like and this was in 59
again and and a guy in charge of a big
department of the Carnegie Museum, not
Dan digging in the backyard. So
>> is there a chain of custody of that
skeleton? Like can that be traced?
>> Un all the way to the Carnegie Museum
where we don't know what happened to it
now. This is this is a consistent issue
with these remains. If it's a giant bone
or an elongated skull and you want to
know more about it, real good chance
you're not going to be able to find
anything. So what do you think was going
on? Do you think there was a completely
different species of enormous people?
>> Maybe. or maybe even just some of us
that had the different just some some
different DNA in us than somebody else,
you know, just a little bit of, you
know, I mean, honestly,
>> the six finger, six toe thing
>> keeps coming up.
>> Yeah, that's um again, you know, we get
that now with just a little bit in
Neanderthal DNA, right? So, you get
different species that had more Denisven
in them than us and still technically
might be the same species, but not
>> Do you think it's possible that these
giants were Denos Denosovvens?
It's possible
>> because Dennis Hovvens were a lot larger
than us, right?
>> Yeah. At least six inches, I say. Yeah.
>> And if you had a big one, like there's
Shaq, right? And there's me, you know
what I mean? Like if you have a really
big one, like isn't it possible that
there's a range of even those things?
Like we only have a couple bones, right?
And I think there's something that just
came out from China about Homo
Juluencis,
you know, that they think it might be
Dennis Oven that it might be the same
thing, right?
>> Yeah. Dragon Man, the same thing. That's
been out for a little bit now. But yeah,
they're
>> there was something that was like super
recent where they were proposing cuz I
think they're trying to figure out what
what we're talking about, but we were
talking about it from just a couple of
bones. There's not a lot of It's not
like they had a whole graveyard filled
of Denosovvens with various heights and
weights and they can get an estimation
of like what the medium was.
>> Oh yeah. The vast majority of what we
know about them comes from DNA,
>> right?
>> Vast majority.
>> Yeah. So we have a few bones.
>> Yeah.
>> But then it's like how big how big were
they? Like is this a 12 foot tall
person? Is that real?
>> They Well,
>> there's five foot tall people and
there's nine foot tall people. Exactly.
>> What's the tallest person today? Like 8
foot
>> alive now? I'm not sure, but like Robert
Wadllo was like,
>> but he he had like a real problem.
>> Yeah. Oh, yeah.
>> Yeah. Giant gigantism. That's like a a
tumor on the pituitary gland.
>> Yeah. You just keep on growing.
>> Yeah.
>> Um but I think that just for just an
outsized enormous person, I think the
record today is like, okay, 8 foot 2.8
in in 2011. Yo, Sultan Cosen of Turkey.
Okay,
come on, man. Guy lives in Turkey, which
is like the one of the oldest DNAs in
the world. Where golet tap is how is
this guy a giant?
>> Holy crap.
>> The size of that guy.
>> Holy.
>> What does he look like when he's
standing up? Put him over there. Okay.
And he doesn't even look like he has
gigantism.
>> Does he?
>> I don't know.
>> He just looks like a giant dude. He
doesn't have like a misshaped head or
anything like that.
Um, either way,
>> pretty impressive.
>> Now imagine
is that is that a gene thing? Like is
that is that capable of being
is that old? Is that some old DNA from
some other kind of human or is that just
a really big person?
>> That's a different guy right here.
>> That's a different guy. That's a guy in
China, right?
>> I think so.
>> And these six finger, six toes once. Is
that ubiquitous? Is that does that occur
in all of the reports of these bodies?
>> No, it doesn't. Um, some of them have uh
the two rows of teeth. Some of them have
six six fingers and six toes. What is
like I got pretty skeptical about
because there's a lot of giant reports
in America where people were digging up
mounds. And so I got kind of skeptical
about who I was taking it from like you
know Joe Farmer. I just was like okay,
you know, maybe not. But if the guy was
like some of these guys were really good
at at what they did and they say they
recorded something and it was so there's
probably a dozen solid accounts that are
from people that weren't [ __ ]
artists that had more to lose than they
did to gain and some of them were two of
them in particular are like good
scientists like well-known
anthropologists respected in their field
and they were finding giant bones and
even today like that guy that I told you
about Dr. Dandre goo there is a an
anthropologist right now that her like
two or three years ago she debunked his
work by claiming that he just did an
ingground measurement and that was it.
And it's like he clearly said this
indicates an individual that was this
tall in life. It's like I did a
measurement on this and it indicates
that's clearly telling you I didn't just
take a dead measurement and they just
throw his ass right under the [ __ ]
bus in order to keep this narrative
going. And that's where it's weird to me
because I don't think Flint Dibble and
all of his friends give two shits about
the giant narrative like Rockefeller
does. I think it's way more of an ego
thing with them because archaeology is
not a [ __ ] science, Joe. Not even
close. It functions like a science like
religion does. So these guys, they all
know it. They know they're laring as
scientists. They know that when they
call us science deniers, they're full of
[ __ ] So they just have the only thing
they can do is puff their chest because
>> well some of it is science right?
>> Well some sure some of it is but let me
let me put it to you like this.
>> So why why are you saying
>> archaeology is a study of human culture
by material remains. Okay now science
the cornerstone of science is
replicability. Um arguably if I combine
hydrogen and oxygen and you combine
hydrogen we should get the same thing.
Now, if I dig up something in my
backyard,
can you replicate that? Or are you
beholding to what if Joseph Smith digs
up gold plates and I dig up an
arrowhead? You believe one and not the
other,
>> right? But you can put protocols in
place where you have a bunch of people
that are all responsible for making sure
that everything goes according to plan
and they all report to someone else.
>> But but how is it replicable? Well, it's
not replicable, but they are exposing
these ancient remains and they are using
>> Well, you can use some scientific
>> carbonating.
>> Absolutely. They're using physics there.
That's physics, right?
>> Um that's that's what it really comes
down to. Um
>> fundamentally, archaeology cannot be
scienced any more than theology.
Fundamentally, a miracle, you either
believe or you don't. I dug up something
in my backyard. You either believe it or
you don't. You can't replicate either
one of these things,
>> right? You can film people pulling
things out of the ground. You can prove
that it's old. You can you can but
there's a lot of instances where like
they're doing a construction dig in
Mexico City and they find like stone,
they stop construction, archaeologists
come in. Like there's a whole chain of
custody of where this stuff's coming
from.
>> Absolutely.
>> So, isn't that kind of scientific?
>> Kind of. I mean,
again, okay, there's a chain of custody
on the Epstein letters, right?
>> Right. But at point it falls apart
because of do you believe or do you not?
That's what it really comes down to with
archaeology is I can't replicate the
findings. And if you can't replicate
that, I'm not saying it's worthless,
>> right?
>> A historian knows better than to call
themselves a scientist. They know it's
not. They use scientific methods.
A video game speedrunner, if you know
what that is, somebody who's trying to
like beat Super Mario Brothers, they use
science.
>> So you'll put an archaeologist more in
the line of a historian.
>> Absolutely. Well, yeah, they are. They
>> both of them call somebody else when it
comes time to carbon date. You know,
it's they the the
again the rep the the reproducibility is
crucial. And like the argument that they
always go to is well like well astronomy
is not reproducible. If you have a
supernova, you can't reproduce that.
Well, yeah, except I have a hundred
telescopes all trained on it. So this
guy's data set and that guy's data set
j. It's been reproduced. If I've got one
arrowhead to dug up out of the ground,
we either believe that this dude dug up
the arrow head out of the ground or we
don't. And this especially matters when
it becomes to these unique one-off
finds. Um it's one thing when it's an
arrowhead, it's another thing altogether
when it's the anti mechanism,
>> right?
>> And so this is where our archaeology
becomes some people you could understand
why somebody might believe the
anti-kisser mechanism is [ __ ] And
at that point it's this it goes directly
what I'm saying. It's faith-based. Do
does this does this coincide with my
worldview or not? Which is why
archaeology is like this huge split um
between these people that the guys that
are that are trying to puff their chests
and say that it really is what they
claim it to be. And then there's the
people that are actually just doing good
work and they'll be quick to tell you,
you know, at the end of the day, our
results aren't, you know, we do science
where we can, but we can't say for sure
that our results are scientific because
we're it's a lot of guesswork at the
end. And that becomes a problem when
they do things like Clovis first when
they're like, we're going to use our
science to beat everything else off the
table. It's not [ __ ] science, [ __ ]
So get it out of here. And that's where
uh yeah, the same thing like I was
saying earlier with the co thing. You
don't get to too many of us know what
the scientific method is for you just to
come in here and tell us it's something
else. You [ __ ]
>> Well, when Dibble was trying to deny
that they did that, like deny that
archaeologists will attack people that
have evidence of something that
contradicts their assertions.
Like that's crazy to deny. There's so
much history of that.
He called it what's so funny when you
during that debate he he tells you when
you're pushing on him like that he goes
well that's an example of an academic
debate those things happen it's like
dude okay that same guy I was telling
you about also that racist son of [ __ ]
with the giants
before he believed that there were no
people in the Americas before 3,000
years ago and even on the Wikipedia page
of the folsome tradition it still says
now that any archaeologist desirous of
successful career could not poss an
earlier date for the peopleing of the
Americas or him and one other dude would
destroy their [ __ ] careers. This
isn't the first time it's been going.
>> It's ego.
>> It Well, again,
>> it's And it's men mostly, right? It's
human men and their egos and wanting to
be the gatekeeper of information.
>> The authority. I'm the authority figure.
Yeah.
>> Oh, imagine imagine the the the shot to
the ego it takes with to be a guy like
Flint. study all your time and you study
all this crap and then Graham comes
along and he studies and he writes he
writes a fake history and you write a
fake history and his sells more. Oh man,
that's just going to cry right up right
up in his ass. And it does. They just
don't like also that someone comes along
and they're super obsessed with a
subject and they're not confined by the
academic world where they have to get
funding to do certain studies. They have
to get things approved. They want to get
tenure. They have to get the approval of
the higherups. There's all sorts of
stuff that happens in the academic world
that doesn't happen in the world of the
Jimmy Corsettes and the Luke Caverns and
these people that could just go to
places and start filming. you know, Ben
Van Kirkwood can just go places and
start filming and become huge experts in
this stuff. I mean, the the the
information that's available about the
Old Kingdom, about all these things,
it's all available like anyone can read
it if you take the time and if you
really dive into it. And these guys have
dove into it. And a lot of these other
guys haven't. And that's the thing. And
they're a little lazy. Maybe not lazy,
but let's say this, not as obsessed. So,
they should look at the Ben Van
Kirkwicks as a resource.
>> Thank you. I I've been saying this one
for a long time, but they do the
opposite. I give you a perfect example.
Jimmy Corsetti two years ago on X posts.
I wonder if the Nephilim in the Bible
were the Denise or the Neanderthal or
something like that. At the time, they
didn't know Denise were taller than us.
So all the archaeologists, oh Jimmy,
stupid the Nephilim were supposed to be
taller than us and both of these species
are shorter. And I even said, I'm like,
let's just let this go a couple days and
I'm going to show you guys what you're
doing wrong. And I let him go at it. And
then I was like, okay, let's try this as
a science communicator. Let's try it
like this. Hey Jim, those ones are
shorter than humans, but there are other
species of archaic homminid like
gigantopithecus that were taller than us
that might fit the bill. Why don't you
look into that and see what you find?
You take somebody's passion, they're
looking at the rabbit hole, you shove
them in head first. That's science
communication. Telling them the rabbit
hole ain't [ __ ] there, Clover. You're
That's being a [ __ ]
>> Well, I also think we should all
operate, all human beings under this
assumption. We don't have all the
evidence for all the humans that lived.
We just don't we only have a tiny
fraction. We have fossilized remains
especially when [ __ ] gets really old.
>> We don't have enough data.
>> Yeah.
>> And if you just operate on we don't have
enough data which is pure pure. Everyone
should agree on that. So once you have
then say okay this is the data we have
and this points to the fact that new
humans are emerging that we're finding
and we might be wrong about the number
that existed and the potentially there
could be a cave somewhere in Siberia or
wherever and they find another bone and
they go holy [ __ ] what is this one this
is a totally different kind of person
and now you have another one and you
have another one and who knows how many
of them there were and this will give us
a richer understanding of what took
place. And then I think Michael Buttons
has a really good video where he's
talking about how anatomically human
anatomically similar humans existed a
long time ago. Like why would we assume
that civilization and complex thinking
and tool making and technology only
emerged in the last couple hundred years
when the exact same species existed
hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of
thousands of years ago? Isn't it
possible that something some some human
a long time ago had figured out some
stuff and we have no evidence no
evidence of it anymore because of just
natural wear and the weathering and the
earth absorbs things. There's nothing
left. Yeah, that seems more logical.
>> Yeah, I I completely agree. Yeah, I I
love Mike. He's great. Uh Michael
Button. Yeah, he's he's great. It was
one of the things honestly I just to
really quickly I've loved watching the
last year and a half since I've been on
here left while you just kind of went
through my litany of friends and stuck
them in this chair one after the [ __ ]
other man. It's like hey that's Luke.
Hey I know that [ __ ] I know that guy.
Hey that was really good to see man. Um
but
>> fun it's a fun time. It's a fun time to
get cool people to talk about cool [ __ ]
>> and and and the the passion that these
guys have like you say that's honestly
um it's a huge thing. You know, Duncan
gave me a really good uh really good
compliment. Duncan Trussell saying that
I was like that I was all passionate
like a [ __ ] um oh, what's that guy
that did all calculus and stuff? The old
old school Sir Isaac Newton. And I was
like, damn, I don't think I'm like that.
But thank you. Probably got as many
chemicals in my body. But um
>> was Isaac Newton a tripper?
>> No. No. He was a uh uh he was an
alchemist. So he like died of mercury
poisoning.
>> Did he really?
>> He This is one of the funniest things. I
love saying this one on Twitter. I say
it once every couple years. This way,
the world we live in now where they'll
take a scientist and they'll say like,
"Yeah, but this guy's political opinions
are all skewed. So, [ __ ] this guy." It's
like, you know what they would have done
with Sir Isaac? We wouldn't have the
theory of gravity or calculus. It'd have
been like, "Yeah, that guy denies the
trinity and he's [ __ ] an alchemist.
Why would I put up with this crazy guy's
bullshit?" It's like it's
>> Yeah. But uh yeah, it's it's it's this
is one of the things I've actually come
to a lot of terms with on my own little
searching in this community is that
>> there's a lot of people that I disagree
with on [ __ ] 80% but that 20% that
they're if they bring honest data to the
table.
>> Yeah.
>> Like uh and my best example of this is
goes all the way back to uh the 1880s
Carl Christian Rafen or the 1830s even
uh he was a anthropologist. He was he
believed that the Norse discovered
America before Columbus. And the reason
he believed this was because every time
he'd see a rock with a glyph on it, he's
like, "Man, them dumb Indians didn't
know how to carve no [ __ ] rocks."
Granted, all their weapons are made out
of stone, but anyway, they don't know
how to make this. So, must have been a
white guy. So, he does research,
research, research, research, and
eventually finds out that it was the
Norse that be Now, he was pissing up a
rope with his [ __ ] EV line of
evidence, but he did honest research
>> and he got us real data,
>> right? So, I'm I'm finding a lot that I
just have to like I really don't like
you, but okay. What what do you got to
say?
>> This is a part of the problem with the
Atlantis thing. And this is why guys
like Flint always connected to racism
because there were a group of people
that were white supremacists that
believe that the white race was
responsible for Atlantis. But those
those are not like credible historians.
>> These are also not in the same group of
people as Graham or you or Ben Van Kirk
or any of these people. No one is saying
that. So to connect people to something
like Atlantis where there are
problematic people that believed
something that was racist. Just because
you're talking about Atlantis doesn't
mean everybody who's in investigating
Atlantis is also problematic and racist.
That's crazy.
>> Well, they say, "Well, it encourages
racism." And my I always jump with they
go, "Well, do you see how many their
evidence? You see how many white
supremacists site this stuff?" And I
always I always go well you see how many
white supremacists cite all kinds of
statistics poverty and crime and all
these other things. Should we should we
get rid of all of these statistics too?
We should just quit gather anything that
a white supremacist might use. Do you
remember the Mac Tonight commercial with
the the big the McDonald's moonman?
>> No. Don't you remember um years ago like
when we were kids uh in the 80s when I
was a kid in the 80s it's the oh they
had a big moon man guy that was singing
a Mac the knife parody when the clock
strikes half past 6 babe time to head
for golden lines okay about 15 years ago
they started using a thing with like
some weird voice chat and this guy's and
making racist memes does that mean that
McDonald's is [ __ ] racist or does it
just mean that racists will co-opt
[ __ ] anything including Pepe the frog
>> pepe the frog is the best example Thank
you.
>> That poor guy who made Pepe the Frog,
>> please.
>> That guy was like, "That's not me."
>> And so, but so and that's that's exactly
what these guys do, man. We We can't
talk about anything without it being
racist. It's like, dude,
>> well, that's just a way to dismiss you.
>> It's It's a way to drag other people in.
Yeah.
>> Hey, man. This guy's calling talking
[ __ ] about the pyramids. Yeah, whatever.
Oh, he's also racist. Oh, [ __ ] We got
5% of them came over. Cool. Yeah,
>> it's Yeah, it's really pathetic. And um
you know, in all honesty, you know, I
get [ __ ] during the election cycles from
friends and from fans that for not
supporting X, Y, or Z. And I always tell
them the same thing. Look, most the
third or [ __ ] SI. I talk about
ancient history, [ __ ] I'm not talking
about modern politics. That's not what
I'm doing. It's not And I'm certainly
not going to endorse somebody on my
platform. As a matter of fact, why do
you care what Beyonce says about this
[ __ ] Why do you care about any of these
[ __ ] these people aren't political
analysts? Why do you care that much? Why
are you calling up my ass about Well,
yeah, but you know, you've got the it
people want
people want us to all be towing a
certain It's It's funny. I I swear to
God, it's like the whole country's got
like probably a third of us are little
Hitlers. The whole world would be better
if everybody just thought just like me.
>> It's like [ __ ] Christ.
>> And they think they're the open-minded,
compassionate ones. It's really weird.
But it's just the nature of the tribal
world that we're living in right now and
it's so divided and this is one of the
giant problems with social media. And I
think it's great that everyone has an
opinion and I think it's great that
everyone gets to express an opinion. It
doesn't mean that you should listen. It
doesn't mean you should absorb it. It
doesn't mean that it's a valid opinion.
You'll find the valid opinions, but you
have to sort through the bad ones. And
this is how it's always going to be.
There's always going to be that have
people have a take on it that you
fiercely disagree with. the people have
the least charitable view of this person
or this idea or this thing, you're
always going to have a spectrum of ideas
and you have to allow it. That's how it
is. And you have to counter that with a
better perspective. That's it.
>> And if you're coming at it from you want
to silence and destroy everyone who
disagrees with you, especially on
something as complex as ancient history,
like that seems like you're doing a bad
thing. That seems like you're denying
the resource of all these obsessed
people.
>> Yeah, it's I completely agree with you.
As a matter of fact,
>> if they're getting something wrong, like
yeah, have a conversation with those
people and explain why they're getting
something wrong. But but be good faith
about it. The the Society for American
Archaeology's original bylaws. Their
very first law was their intention was
to cultivate a better relationship
between interested amateurs and
professional archaeologists and to offer
help when requested
to those interested amateurs. They're
doing neither one of those things right
now. Number one, they are pissing all
over the relationship between people
that are interested amateurs and the
professional archaeologists. They can't
even talk to each other anymore.
>> Well, don't you think that's also a
little bit of jealousy because these
interested amateurs have all of a sudden
>> come to the forefront
>> and they're making money off of it.
>> Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I mean found out that
I had supporters, he lost his [ __ ] HE'S
PEOPLE PAY HIM MONEY FOR THE OH MY
[ __ ] GOD.
>> Silly silly to worry about that. But
it's like also like just YouTube
revenue. Guys like Ben Van Kirkwick's
videos get millions of views, you know?
Like there's there's real money in it
and they're not making money. No, no,
not like that. No,
>> they got to be pissed.
>> It's I'm sure that's
>> I went to school for this.
>> But the other thing I And again, that
bylaw, it says to offer help when
requested to interested amateur. When's
the last time Graham Hancock asked one
of these [ __ ] for their opinion?
They don't. I They just They give him
the help whether he wants it or not.
>> They've completely lost the plot. Even
>> Well, it's the problem is the way they
frame it. Like when they were talking
about his Netflix show being one of the
most dangerous shows on television,
how is it dangerous to talk about
evidence of a lost civilization? That's
seems insane. Dude, they're their egos
are at the for Have you ever read that
letter from that that they wrote to
Netflix? Okay. Do you They had three
problems, right? And they list them one,
two, three. Now, you would assume these
are professional archaeologists and
they're talking about Graham Granhawk.
You would assume number one is he got a
bunch of [ __ ] wrong,
>> right?
>> No. Number one is he talks [ __ ] about
archaeologists and he doesn't listen to
us. That was number one. It they
couldn't even hide their ego in the
[ __ ] list. It's like it's just
>> also not true.
>> They're petulant children. I swear to
[ __ ] God.
>> Also not true. Yeah,
>> he listens.
>> Oh, dude. He puts them on the difference
with the guy. If you're going to come in
and just poo poo everything and say,
"No, that's not true. No, that's not
true. No, that's not true." Well, then
yeah, you're not going to um you're he
I'm not going to put up with that [ __ ]
you guys have an actual conversation
with me. Sure. But if you're just
>> What were the other two problems?
>> The other two problems, one was that he
was wrong. Well, the other one was that
it promotes white supremacy.
And and the the the best part about that
is they say because this this theory
that the exact wording is this theory
dates to 1882 and Ignatius Donnelly blah
blah blah. Ignatius Donnelly was a left.
He was liberal as [ __ ] He was a
feminist and an abolitionist, but he was
also a white dude in the 1800s. He's
racist as [ __ ] by modern standards,
right? Just like all the archaeologists
were back then. But they don't don't
bother with that. They pick him and they
say, "This guy's the one that started
the problem. He's the one that created
this theory." But you go back 20 years
and Augustus Leon and uh some other dude
I lose his name right now, but there
were two French Americans that believed
that the Maya had con were the
Atlanteanss, that the Amaya had
conquered the world, that the Maya were
the master race if you're going to look
at it that way. But they're going to
ignore that when they submit this stuff
to Netflix because it doesn't just they
wanted to make it sound like this entire
[ __ ] was created to support white
supremacy when it was actually not. But
they So my my but my point here is in a
debate where it constantly revolves
around you guys are lying about our
past. They lie about what happened 15
[ __ ] minutes ago on the internet
where we can all see it and then they
wonder why we are like ha you guys do
lie about the [ __ ] boneheads. Sorry.
So this this guy, what was his theory?
The first guy that is problematic even
though he's a liberal and a feminist.
>> Oh well, he believed that it was white
suprem
uh the three biblical races. Um if
you're not aware of that, like Noah's
three kids, um Sam is the Seemetic race,
the Hamite race was the Africans, and
then the other one ended up being the
the Aryans was the white people. Um and
uh these three biblical races have
biblical racism they call it. It's been
like a thing for a thousand years. But
uh he he just clung to that idea that it
was basically these races of of after
post Noah and all this. So like uh do
you know the story with Noah? Like he
got drunk afterwards?
>> No.
>> Oh, could you you might want to pull
this up, Judy. After it's all done, Noah
gets all drunk and he's like laying
around naked and one of his sons laughs
at him and one one of them doesn't. So
like he curses the lowest of them and he
praises the highest. And when you see
the bib the Bible verse, he was like,
"You're going to be the servants to this
one and he can sleep in your tent
whenever he wants." And you could see
why this was used to promote uh racial
superiority.
>> But uh it's
that's where it came from. So if they
really wanted to, they could have been
saying the Bible created racism and that
was a problem. But it's also very silly
to connect the idea of ancient
civilizations to one person. That's so
silly.
>> So silly.
>> That's so silly when you're talking
about evidence all over the world. We're
talking about Balach. We're talking
about the Maya. We're talking about the
Egyptians. We're talking about all over
the world. And you're going to connect
it to white supremacy. Isn't it more
plausible that we don't know what
happened
>> just a little bit? I mean, but you got
to understand these guys are the ones
that follow. Like I I I break your rules
some and I argue with the people in the
trenches, right? And the guys that
follow Flint Dibble, they'll all the
time they'll make fun of you. You
believe in lost civilizations? And my
answer is, do you think we found every
civilization? Oh, no. So, you're just
throwing around stupid [ __ ] just talking
crap.
>> The idea that there'd be evidence left
over other than the stuff that we've
already found. Like, what are you
looking for that's 100,000 years old? It
doesn't mean that there wasn't something
going on 100,000 years ago. It seems
like there was definitely something
going on at least 12,000 years ago. So
that [ __ ] up our whole timeline.
>> Oh yeah.
>> And they want to still attribute that to
hunter gatherers just for convenience.
The idea that the gobe structures were
made by hunter gatherers. Like why would
they do that?
>> Yeah. How did they do that? How come
they didn't make houses but they made
that stuff? How come?
>> Yeah. Well, it's it's that's a tough
one, man. You know, uh
>> what were their tools?
>> They're looking at uh you know, car on
Teepe. They're actually talking about
covering that again, like they did at
Gobecley, which is [ __ ] I don't know
if you know Megalithania, Hugh Newman.
Um he's um he he's he's there not a lot
of people that I would would mention on
your show, but he's definitely one of
them. He's he's he's a badass. He's been
doing this forever. And uh he's doing
all this arc astronomy work out there at
Kanepe, and they're covering they're
getting ready to cover it. and he's just
going, "Uh, uh,
>> why are they covering it?"
>> Well, they're claiming it's to for
tourism to protect the site and all
this. This
>> what do you think it is?
>> I don't know. It might that might well
be it. Um, I do know that.
>> How does it protect the site, though? If
you don't own it, I don't know.
>> But it's stone, right?
>> Yeah. I mean, honestly,
honestly, it it gets weird when you look
at the third world because or poorer
countries like that because, you know,
my iPhone could feed a family over there
for a month. So, it's like these guys
are going to do they've got a different
set of priorities than us,
>> right?
>> So, um,
>> but wouldn't you think that more things
getting exposed would equal more
tourism, which would equal more revenue?
>> Yes and no. Um, and I did a video a
while back about Zahi Has being a heel,
like a wrestling heel. Uh, deliberate,
dude. I'm 100% on this.
>> Really?
>> Oh, yeah. I'm not saying that he doesn't
do shady [ __ ] I'm saying that he plays
the villain. Um, I give you some
examples. There's a a clip of him after
shortly after Arab Spring. He's talking
about how to increase tourism. He has
two things is one, you don't want
tourists from any old country. You want
Japanese, Americans, Chinese, Germans.
You don't want the rest. You want people
to come in and change your world. Second
thing is doesn't matter what's happening
in Egypt. Those new age people, they
come. Doesn't matter if it's Arab
Spring. Doesn't matter if tourism is
down by 40%. Those new age people, they
come. He's So then, did I find
something? Yes, I found it. No, I
didn't. No, I didn't. Yes, I did. Yes, I
did. No, I didn't. No, I didn't. Yes, I
did. It's you're Come and investigate.
Come and investigate. Come and look.
Come and see for yourself. Come and pop
into those little holes and look for
yourself. Go look at the place that I
told you there was nothing. I think
honestly that's his whole reason that
he's playing it to the hilt. And I think
Lee Clair's doing the same thing right
now. If you watch Lee Claire on
>> I don't know who that is.
>> Lee Clair is the archaeologist in charge
of Gobeclay. He's a big big dude down
there. And if you look at him on
Twitter, he's doing the exact same
thing. He's constantly arguing. He's
picking at Jimmy. I actually block the
guy. I don't block many scientists, but
I that aren't constantly antagonistic
towards me. He was every day I'd wake up
and more talking [ __ ] about me, just
pissing everybody off. And the whole
point um in my opinion is to make it
where people want to come and look at
what you're h if something's being
hidden. You have to have a villain
hiding it, right? Give me a touchstone.
So, what the [ __ ] is Zahi Hawai think
about what is Zahi Hawas hiding? Is that
a crazy statement to make? No, it's not.
And I think he cultivated that. I think
that's an image that he made to increase
tourist revenue.
>> So, you think he created this character
to make it so that people want to combat
against him and then go there and see
and look around,
>> spend money? Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I I
don't think that's the whole the whole
>> I think you went a little too tinfoil. I
think it's a little more simple than
that. Yeah. I think he's been in control
of the narrative there for a long time.
And there's also some weird stuff with
things missing.
>> Oh, no. I'm not saying that he didn't
steal stuff.
>> The weird stuff with things missing.
It's like you would want to really
control the narrative. If like skeletons
that you reported discovering, then you
say there's no skeletons, right? Isn't
there one of those in one of the
sarcophaguses?
>> Yeah, Jimmy was hammering away at that
one. There was an original story from
like the 80s
>> that they found the skeleton
>> and they just no no skeleton.
>> And the problem is what we were talking
about before that there are wealthy
people that will pay you an enormous
amount of money for the skeleton. So if
you got some dude, you know, he's got
Saudi Arabian money and he's like, you
know what would be dope? I want a
[ __ ] Egyptian mummy in my house, you
know? And people had them. I mean, this
was a thing that people were eating
them. Yes. Yes. Yes.
>> God.
>> What? told Danny Jones that he's LIKE,
"WHAT THE [ __ ] PULL THAT UP NOW."
>> YEAH. People would have these mummy
unwrapping parties at their homes, these
very wealthy people, and they would eat
the mummies.
>> Yeah. I bet you a lot of those elongated
skulls ended up in similar
>> I know, but like whose house? How many
houses? Who are these people? Like, how
does no one tell on them?
>> I don't know. But I mean, you look at
what you know, five years ago, I would
have said, dude, I don't know about all
this, man. But now you look at that
island, you're like,
>> "What would you do if somebody gave you
an elongated skull? Would you give it to
a museum?" Like, what would you do?
Like, if somebody gave you one of those
really dope Peruvian skulls that are
crazy without the sagittal suture,
you're looking at the enormous brain
capacity, the size of the head, like
what the the size of the eye sockets.
>> I had scientists after scientist finger
[ __ ] that thing till we got
somewhere,
>> right? But would you bring it somewhere
where other people could see it? Would
you allow the scientists to take control
of it and to take hold of it?
>> Because this is my friend John Reeves up
in Alaska. You know, he's had some real
issues with that.
>> Yeah.
>> Where they'll take bones and then
they'll go up. Nope. Never getting them
back.
>> Yeah. No. Up in the bottom of the
harbor.
>> Yeah. And he won't But this is before
his time. But yeah, they did that. Was
that the American Museum of Natural
History? Is that it?
>> So the the thing he does now is like if
you want to do work on these bones, you
got to come to Alaska.
>> Yeah. And he built the whole scientific
research building. And
>> well, it makes sense.
>> Yeah. He's like, I don't trust any of
you [ __ ]
>> You know where the Baghdad battery is
right now, don't you?
>> Where?
>> Nobody knows. It was grabbed by Alphabet
Boys at the beginning of the 2000s. When
we
>> Which alphabet boys?
>> Ours.
>> But which one?
>> I'm not sure.
>> Might be one we don't even know about.
>> All I know is it I'm just gonna say I
doubt that the soldier that went in
there had decided he wanted that thing
for himself.
>> Right. Uh, but I speaking of the bad dab
battery, I got a cool little theory on
that. I don't know if you ever seen
that, but uh I don't think it was for
electricity. I think it was to separate
metal. If you were to use for the
electrolyte, if you were to take mine
runoff that had like gold and silver and
copper and iron and nickel and magnum,
all that [ __ ] You put it in that
that thing. After a while, that exact
cell that we had, the copper would build
would have a buildup of gold, copper,
and silver. All the other [ __ ] would go
to the bottom. M.
>> So you could it would I think it was a
way for them to like
>> separate
>> and and I think that the discovery of
this would be super easy. Drop a copper
coin and a metal nail into a puddle of
that and come back in two days and
you're going to see the buildup of gold
on that coin. And so this explains why
inside of the thing like there's no
residue at all which is one of the
reasons they say it didn't happen. Well,
they were harvesting the residue is my
in my opinion and this is why you
couldn't be trace amounts
>> even if they were harvesting.
>> Now that's where it would be nice to
test it now. It hasn't been looked at in
a long time, you know. It hasn't been
been har it hasn't been tested for
anything in a long.
>> Where is it that it's gone? It's in
somebody it's right next to those skulls
and those mummies. It's on some dude's
shelf. That will
>> really
>> Yes. This is a picture of a street mummy
seller in 1875.
>> Jesus Christ.
>> So this article in the Big Think was
saying that this was so popular from
1200 to about 18 or sorry the 12th
century to 18th century
>> that they kind of ran out of mummies.
>> Yeah. Yo,
>> and can you imagine you could fly over
there and pick up a mummy?
>> Well, that's before these parties were
even happening
in the corner over there.
>> No, they thought it was medicine.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> We talked about this once before, but
there's these
>> This [ __ ] exists all over the place.
>> And I wonder if any of them would have
been better than Kufus. What? Lot 99
Apothecary Antiques.
>> Right up there in the upper left. Yeah.
>> What?
>> Look at that. Apothecary. So, this is
like medicine mia. So it's like mummy
juice.
>> This article gets [ __ ] gross.
>> Mummy powder. You sprinkle it on your
steak.
>> So they there were so they were so
popular for a long time. They
disappeared kind of. It was hard to get
them. So they started forging
>> mummy bodies.
>> Oh my god.
>> How dark is it that people bought all
the dead bodies?
>> Not all doctors thought dry old mummies
made the best medicine. Some doctors
believe that fresh meat and blood had a
vitality the long dead lacked. Those
guys went to the island.
>> Napoleon was bringing them back and then
they would have some parties, quote
unquote parties, but that was just still
like they were doing like research
almost if you could say like some
medicine research and then that didn't
last. That was like 30 years of that and
then they just started having actual
parties to show how rich you that you
hold up. Pause right here. 1834 the
surgeon Thomas Pedigrew unwrapped a
mummy at the Royal College of Surgeons.
In his time, autopsies and operations
took place in public. In this unwrapping
was just another public medical event.
Soon a soon even the pretense of medical
research was lost. By now mummies were
no longer medicinal but thrilling. A
dinner host who can entertain an
audience while unwrapping was rich
enough to own an actual mummy. The
thrill of seeing dried flesh and bones
appearing as bandages came off meant
people flocked to these unwrappings.
Whether in a private home or the theater
of a learned society. strong drink meant
audiences were loud and appreciative.
>> And then at some point they tried to say
that you were getting cursed by doing
this.
>> Oh yeah, for sure.
>> But didn't the people that filed two in
commons to him? Didn't they all die?
>> That's what this comes up with next two
in common.
>> Yeah.
>> Sudden death of Lord
>> Arnaron. Mhm.
>> Well, I mean,
>> you can understand why people would
think that, too. I mean, you're going
around and not just defiling the grave,
man. You eat the [ __ ] Come on.
>> So, it might there might be something to
a curse like that.
>> Oh, yeah. I
>> especially if you believe it. That's the
problem. That's how I think voodoo
really works. If you really believe that
someone could put a hex on you, you're
like, "Oh, no."
>> I was joking with this hippie girl in
Sedona about that. She was telling me
about
>> practical magic.
>> Look at this. Today, the black market of
antiquity smuggling, including mummies,
is worth about $3 billion.
So today,
>> the black market right now, 3 billion a
year.
>> A year?
>> Is that a year?
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> That's a lot.
>> Yeah. That's a fortune. That's a
fortune.
>> And just in [ __ ] that should be in a
museum.
>> Three billion a year.
>> Yeah.
>> It just makes sense, man, when you think
see people that are just [ __ ] insane
and they're rich and they just want a
thing that no one That's like the whole
thing about like uh rhino horn,
>> right? They want to drink rhino horn tea
because nobody could get it because it's
illegal.
>> Yep.
>> You guys were talking about the
Rockefellers earlier and I there's a
museum started in Jerusalem where
they're the Rockefeller Archaeological
Museum.
>> They had 60,000 artifacts dating back to
2 million years ago.
>> Whoa.
>> Including a
reported 100,000y old skeleton almost
complete.
>> Damn.
>> Whoa.
>> What happened? Uh they also had another
one that was 6,500 years old that a
while ago is being reported as Noah. Um
this is where the Dead SK sea scrolls
were for a while until they were taken
over and then moved to a the Dead Sea
Scrolls a different museum now that
Israel has been officially formed
because they were there when it wasn't
actually
>> officially Israel I guess.
>> Wow. And there's a a copper scroll I
just stumbled across I didn't know about
that was moved to Aman and is now part
of the Jordan Museum.
>> Wow.
>> One of the scrolls that looks
>> made out of metal and tin.
>> That was a part of the Dead Sea Scrolls
>> and it was made out of copper.
>> Whoa. Well, that's a replica.
>> Well, that part is probably, I guess.
But yeah, said it was found in cave 3
>> where everything else was written on
parchment. This was written on metal.
>> Holy [ __ ]
That's insane.
>> Copper mixed with about 1% tin, although
no metallic copper remained in the
strips. The action of the centuries had
been to convert the metal into brittle
oxide.
>> Unlike the others, it's not a literary
work, but a list of 64 places where
various items of gold and silver were
buried or hidden.
>> Not a story, it's a treasure map.
>> Wow. A treasure map written on copper
>> and a day when copper was a treasure.
>> Wow.
>> Yeah. And then it says a faximile is now
on display or being
>> there's got to be so much we're missing.
>> No, so much we're missing.
>> So much buried stuff. So much like just
think of subsaharan Africa used to be
lush and green. Like what is under
there?
>> Yeah.
>> What's under there?
>> Yeah, that's you dead on. Exactly. All
across there's so many places in the
world that are that way if you ask me.
It's like like Easter Island um when the
sea levels were lower and that thing was
a lot bigger and it was part of a series
of islands that jumped from one to the
next. You know, you know what navls of
the world are, right?
>> What
>> navalss of the world like uh naval?
>> Yeah. Like a world like the Yig Dreasel,
the world tree, right? Like connects the
underworld here and heavens.
>> This idea is super common through Cusco
had one. Uh the wailing wall is one.
You're going to go kiss the wall. That's
that's that's a that's the that's that's
a a world naval.
>> These are always the oracle at Delhigh
world naval. Um these are always centers
of the society, right? Jerusalem,
Delhigh, Cusco, except for there's one
at Easter Island, the far-flung corner
of the Polynesian Empire has a world
naval. But if you lower the sea levels
and look at that as a string of islands,
all of a sudden it is the center of the
empire. So, I really like that's an area
out of all the places on the planet, I
think Easter Island has the most that if
we were to because it's been dug at the
least and has a lot there still. I mean,
there's it's been looted hard, but it
hasn't been looted like Rome has been or
Egypt has been. Not even close. And I
think that I think honestly that there's
going to be a lot more there the more
that we look. I think
unfortunately
stuff happens too quick. We we find the
stuff and two days later it becomes like
the trident mummies. Two days later it
becomes a news story. Half the world
like you say everything's all polarized
now. You could it's you could even pick
and choose your [ __ ] scientists when
it comes to medicine nowadays. Joe, it's
it's completely polarized. So when it
comes to something like archaeology, hey
[ __ ]
>> who do you want? What what side of the
table do you want? You'll find somebody
with credentials or close enough that'll
get in line with you. And so
>> I was talking to a friend of mine about
the South American stuff. He said the
the cartels are a huge problem because
they realize this $3 billion thing of
selling these antiquities and they're
selling stuff to people.
>> Luke told me, Luke Caverns, he told me
that he's he witnessed that when he was
down there. There was a couple of places
he went that he couldn't go into because
there were guys with guns out in front.
>> Oh wow. So they realized like, hey,
someone's going to give me $5 million
for this head.
>> Yeah. That's that's And so we again we
lose we lose everything. We lose all the
context. How are they not losing those
mummified tridactyl skeletons?
>> I'm not really sure. That's a good
question.
>> You know, I would imagine those are
super imagine we have one of those
sitting on the table right here.
>> That would be pretty cool.
>> [ __ ]
>> That would be pretty cool.
>> Wonder how much we have to pay for one
of those.
>> Um,
>> probably quite a bit.
>> Well, to that part of the world, you
might get away with 250 grand like they
did those coties.
>> But the Mexican government, like I was
saying, they bought those coties pretty
cheap, man. 250 grand is a lot, but it
ain't a lot when you start talking about
like Well, I said that to Matt Bell, if
you know who Matt Bell is. He was like,
"That's nothing." Well, of course to him
it's nothing, but immediately the guy
that has the money, the 250 grand,
>> right?
>> [ __ ] put that on my shelf. Frame that
[ __ ]
>> Meanwhile, he could have probably
auctioned that.
>> No, it was a family was afraid to. And
honestly, the family been holding it for
like 500 years. And in all honesty, I
bet they were afraid. I I honest is the
way things going. I don't know for sure,
but I wouldn't be surprised if there was
some some strong arming that went on
there. Like you you can either get paid
for, you know,
>> or we take it
>> just like when the mob do you want paid
off for this or do you want beat on the
head?
>> Right. Right. It's just you wonder how
much is lost like the burning of the
Library of Alexandria. All these
different instances throughout history,
the burning of the codexes.
>> This stuff is from Peru. This is a
website that's got art uh from ancient
Peru for sale.
>> For sale. Yeah, there's tons of
interesting stuff here.
>> But the qu question is how do you know
if it's authentic?
>> That's a huge
>> because there's a lot of this stuff
that's counterfeit.
>> Wow, that's dope. Look at that mask.
>> It says the provenence of it. So, this
one came from an archaeologist that from
1938.
>> How much does that cost?
>> It says 3500 or something. I think it
says
>> should we get one4850?
>> How big is I'm not buying one. You would
you get cursed?
>> No. That's Well, says $4,850 on
something. And I better be able to drive
it around or smoke it once.
>> Recent
Egyptian bronze cobra.
>> Wow. Somebody bought that for 2,000
bucks.
>> Wow. Add to cart right now.
>> Wow.
>> Bam.
>> Kind of sick.
>> I was from How old is it?
>> Uh
>> 664 to 30 BCE.
>> Providence ex private New York City
Egyptologist collection.
>> Private New York City.
>> Yeah. The Providence is weird on all
these. It's coming. Everything's coming
from different places. Yeah.
>> It's interesting because that's not that
expensive for what it is. You got a
piece of Egyptian history.
>> Yeah.
>> Well, the providence thing is kind of a
big deal. If the providence on them
solid and it's after a certain date, you
can't sell them.
>> Show me what that image looks like. So,
how come you how come this person can
sell this?
>> Yeah. Because the providence is going to
come before that date. Like that they're
going to have been been found before
that date. It's like
>> legally acquired.
>> Yes.
>> So, if it wasn't legally acquired, I bet
they'd they'd get you. So, the laws are
probably much stricter now than when
they acquired it.
>> Yeah. There's like It's kind of like
assault rifles where there's like a a
time when you can it's okay to have
bought them, but if you bought it after
that date, you can't have it.
>> Or like pre-ban ivory.
>> Thank you. Yeah. Same kind of thing.
It's like if you got if you've had this
artifact on your family, we're not going
to go raiding the Rockefeller shelves,
but you know, the rest of you [ __ ]
can't have any new ones.
>> You get a gold wing deity pendant for 67
grand.
>> Gold shaman. Yo,
>> damn son,
>> bro.
>> That's pretty sick looking.
>> He got sick fingers.
>> Sickest. What's that from?
>> Oh, and also look, he's got the I guess
you say monkey on top of his head like
that. And a two on the side.
>> Why does it say price on a request?
>> Uh maybe that's estimated here.
>> So when it says uh gold standing shaman,
is that actual gold? Made out of gold?
>> There it is. 89% gold.
>> What?
You can just buy that.
>> Well, look how dope it looks. Look at
the image on the side. Go to the side
view. The other one.
>> What happened?
>> Like it's made in China. Where' it go?
>> Well, it's hollow.
>> That's what I'm saying.
>> Yeah, I kind of has to be hollow.
Otherwise, it weigh 100 pounds.
>> Yeah.
>> Look at that. What a sick looking thing.
>> Show me the front facing view again.
>> That is wild.
>> Wild, man. And how old is this supposed
to be? [ __ ] that's cool.
That would bring you good luck. Put that
on your desk.
Monkey luck. [ __ ]
>> Oh, man. I think he's got some nipples.
>> Oh, does he? Oh, when I was looking at
things hanging around. I hope he doesn't
have trophy skulls.
>> Could be. Looks like
>> his hands.
>> Looks like those are cups, but they're
faces.
>> They look but they're stainless heads up
there.
>> They do look like heads.
>> Does he have two heads in his hands?
>> And he's got way more than five fingers.
>> Yeah,
>> he's got seven. Wow.
>> Yeah.
>> Maybe even eight if he's got a thumb.
>> Again, you can meet that guy. Three hits
of DMT.
He's He's out there. Like, show me the
the face forward version at the top.
>> This one's been in Alabama for a while.
Said,
>> wow.
Crazy. I'm sorry. And how old is it
again?
>> That's what I was trying to look up. Uh
>> 500 to 158.
>> Could be 500 years old. Oh, either way,
that's nuts.
>> That's pretty interesting.
>> You could put it on a chain.
>> Weighs 148 grams.
What's that in a pound?
>> I don't think it's a lot.
28.
>> I say we're all doing weed math now.
128. So, it's probably even half a
pound, maybe. Barely. We're
>> doing weed math. Okay.
>> What is 128 gram in pounds?
Yeah. 28 pounds. A
>> quarter of a pound.
>> Wow. Pretty sick.
>> That is cool.
>> Just makes you wonder like what what
were they trying to What is that? What
is that guy? Is that a guy you see when
you trip? Because it seems like it.
Especially he's all gold.
It seems like something you would see if
you were tripping.
>> Yeah. A a lot of that stuff. See, a lot
of it gets really difficult for me
because then I I I wonder about like our
iconography and it's like, you know,
somebody could look at something like
that belt and be like, I wonder what the
symbolism is behind that belt. At the
end of the day, it's like no no
symbolism. It's just it looks cool, man.
>> Or a mascot for a team, you know?
>> Exactly. Why Why is everybody worshiping
the Spuds McKenzie?
>> Right. Right. Right. Right. Why is
everybody making the bullhorns at the UT
game?
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. But but but some of these things,
you know, um are clearly, you know,
religious and spiritual and and stand
the test of time. Like um there's a lot
of the the honoring of people with
deformationations down there went for
thousands of years. I mean, this went
from
>> the mech all the way up till the time
that the Spanish show up.
>> I think what's really fascinating is
there's so many things that point to
South America. So many things that point
particularly to Peru. So many things.
When you look at the megalithic
architecture, especially the oldest
stuff, the weird crazy shapes, and then
you also look at the elongated heads,
and then you also look at the artwork
that you can only see from the sky, and
like how many of these [ __ ] things do
you have to see before you went, what
was going on here? You should look at
some of the their textiles that they
made in Paracas. Like I showed that
little monkey thing.
>> Those guys were so good. if you don't
mind pulling up a picture of Paraca's
textiles, Jamie. They were so [ __ ]
amazing that these like when I first
read about them, I was like, and then I
looked at some pictures and these are
like they're otherworldly. These to
think that these things were being made
of over a thousand years ago, 2,000
years ago. When you when you you see
them, they are they're bunch of little
people with just the feathers pointed to
one side like they're in motion dancing
and [ __ ] Um, like pick uh that like
that one you're on right now, Jamie's a
great one.
>> This one here?
>> Uh, no. The that the that yellow one you
were hovering over the ones with the
people. Look at that's a textile. Look
at that [ __ ] 2,000 years old. Look at
[ __ ] how beautiful that is. How
wellade that is.
>> Again, you could see that if you trip.
>> Yeah. It's very It's very trippy, right?
Like it's very psychedelic looking.
>> It's very psychedelic. But then you
consider that that same culture was
doing all these brain surgeries. They
were doing the lines on the ground you
were talking about. They were modifying
skulls. They were building things. They
were and and they had people that
artisans like this. This was a culture.
This was a full-blown civilization that
was above and beyond anything that we
given credit to at this time. I mean,
look at Yeah. Definitely DMT looking,
but also holy [ __ ] man. Look at how
artistic that is.
>> I know. Look at the little faces that
are coming out of his whatever the
[ __ ] wrapped around his nose. Yeah,
that boy's having a bad trip.
>> Just wild. It is wild art
>> and beautiful. So beautiful and so uh
like everything else in that culture,
they were just it just seemed to be so
massively ahead of all their
contemporaries. Um
again, they they had that symbol that
that Paraca's condol visible 12 miles
out to sea,
>> right?
>> And you could think about hopping down
the coast looking for that. You could
think about guys from Easter Island
looking for that or from Polynesia
looking for that. We've got DNA that
supports all that. There's a genetic
drift both directions. It looks like
people went from Easter Island to per to
Peru and then back is what it looks like
according to the genetics
>> and that was the big sign like welcome.
>> Yeah, that's my thinking. I mean, and
again it's like hey here we're we're
mingling all even if it was just here's
the guys from the islands and here's the
guys from up north and here's us. It
still it seems like a symbol of like a
mixing to me, like a convergence.
>> Um, and the DNA stuff again, that's
where it really all got me going on it
because it's just you pick your genetic
deformation and you see it there again
with the back of the skull. That's just
to me it's like smoking gun. It's like
why were they doing this? Well, here's a
very solid real explan. And then think
about like the evolutionary arms race.
This culture is working on bigger brains
that can that that has all the
intelligence of this species and the
ability to see and hear that this
species has and we're trying to get the
best of both worlds and these guys
aren't. You're going to get wiped out by
us in a thousand years, 5,000, 10
evolution is going to kill you off and
prop these up. I think it happened all
over the [ __ ] world and Paracus is
just the last place that was still doing
it. But I think that that elongated
schools, that's why we see it all over
the world. Soon as humans, soon as homo
sapiens and archaic lineages with bigger
brains than us in the back started
mingling, I think this was like a
requirement.
>> This is all post younger dries impact
too.
>> Um right around like the oldest skulls
that we know of are around 10,000 BC.
Yeah.
>> The oldest
>> Yes. that we know of in the oldest post.
>> Yes. Just right at the right right after
right afterwards
>> in China. So that's the other part of
the question is like if there was uh a
cataclysmic event that wiped out vast
chunks of civilization, how much was
left?
How much how much survived? Because it
seemed like South America didn't get hit
as hard as North America and parts of
Europe and Asia. Right.
>> Yeah. And Africa was almost unscathed.
>> Right. Right. Right. Right.
>> Comparably these according to the
megaponas. Right.
>> Right. Which is So that gets real weird.
>> It does. It's like so okay those were
those people down in South America fine
and what happened was that where
advanced civilization existed on earth
in the only place because advanced
civilization these other places have
been wiped out
>> yeah that's that's honestly I think that
that makes the most sense to me like
>> and what happened to them
>> that's the real question
>> well the the Paracas people what
happened before the
>> well what happened to the people that
built these megalithic structures what
happened to the society that existed
like was it just time.
>> Yeah, I think so. Like they still had,
you know, by the time of the of the
Spanish showing up, the Inca were still
doing those treations in the skull so
well that they were up to an 80%
survival rate. The Civil War was about
40%. By the way, like our Civil War
doctors in American Civil War, the only
Civil War, our doctors were about 40%
about half as good as the Inca at
drilling holes in heads and letting
somebody through. I mean, [ __ ] dude.
>> And why were they drilling holes in
heads?
>> Same reason because it relieves
pressure. So like um like I'm saying
that they were doing it as one of the
reasons to relieve the pressure from the
headache, but if you just get it
somebody hits you in the head hard
enough, you're going to swell up in the
brain, you got to relieve pressure, so
they drill a hole to get it out. Um this
was uh yeah, a lot of the musket balls
that didn't kill a man outright would
leave a water on the brain kind of
thing. So they'd have to do what they
could to relieve the pressure.
Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's
ugly when you I would not want to have
if I would have got shot in the Civil
War battlefield knowing what I know now,
I'd say just [ __ ] shoot me right
here. Finish the job. So my my question
is like why don't we see people that
live in Peru with larger heads and
elongated skulls today?
>> Probably because it's illegal to do it.
>> Is that it? Is it just a deformation
thing or is it a deformationation thing
uh you know manipulated thing on top of
a cranial deformation that's natural?
>> Yeah. Now, if it was the partial natural
cranial deformation, I think eventually
that would have been bred to be smaller
and smaller, less of a pronounced issue
um as uh those like I was showing those
bones in the back that basically do the
play and stuff.
>> I think that over time that that we
would evolve more accommodating things
for it, but that it's still I mean we
still have people that have those tiari
malfformations today. You know, that cat
scan wasn't from 2,000 years ago.
people's still have this issue, but um I
think that over time, you know, the ones
that were too bad at it, their brains
are just too [ __ ] big. They're going
to die off. And honestly, I think that
there was probably some of that Inca
type of clan warfare going on it. Now,
that's just complete speculation, but
>> I mean, there was something, you know, I
don't know ex there was something about
a thousand years ago that caused all the
cliff dwellers and all that [ __ ] Like
there was none of these people lived in
the cliff dwellings like 2,000 years ago
and then they all moved into the cliffs
and they all stayed for like a hundred
years and they came back out. Like there
was some war going on. You'd see a tribe
of about 5,000 people would split up
into a bunch of little bands of 500 or
200 or at the most 50. The Heliloqu
dwellings they say had about 60 people
that lived in them. 60. It's nothing.
And they came from a place of about a
thousand.
>> So you think they were trying to survive
raiders?
>> I think it was pretty clearly warfare.
Um, and an interesting side note,
something that I've never I I went to
the Hilaquift Dwellings when I came
through here uh last month and I drove a
buddy of mine, we drove through New
Mexico and and the big old oil fields of
Texas and we stopped at the Hilaquift
dwellings. And so I looked them up
afterwards to make my video about it and
they redacted that the artifacts and
[ __ ] are redact. It looks like reading a
[ __ ] Epstein list emails. It's just
like black bar, black bar, black bar,
black bar. And what am I looking for?
just what they found. And
>> and this is just the people that lived
in the cliffs.
>> Yeah.
>> Like why would they redact?
>> Oh, that that the archaeologists that
this is the peer-reviewed archaeology
like the papers that they submitted
afterwards. They just because of what
they found that the explanation given is
they redact information so that people
don't go digging up [ __ ] right? So
they're like, "Okay, except for in the
same paper it says we didn't dig here
and we think there's artifacts here a
few different times." They're redacting
the things that they found and the
people that took them and on some
occasions where they were found. It's
and it's not the only thing in south in
the southwest that's that way. The more
I look, I see it's fairly common.
>> Why do you think they're doing that?
>> They're finding some they don't want
people to know. Maybe they're selling on
the black market would be the most
obvious explanation, but like the most
mundane. But when it becomes a
ubiquitous problem
saying the short answer is the same as
why they cover up the show on the
Epstein list to cover it up to hide it.
There's something there they don't want
you to know. And what for sure? I don't
know. I can't read on the black bars.
>> What could you even speculate? Like what
would they be trying to hide? It could
be dwelling civilizations.
>> It could be nothing more than an out of
place artifact. It could be
>> an out of place artifact.
>> Out of place artifact.
>> How so? Like what do you mean?
>> You mean um like what we consider the
antither mechanism to be something
that's more advanced for its time. So
you know if they just found something
that say they don't think that these
guys could work iron and they found an
iron arrow head there that wasn't a
trade piece. It was pre-colian.
>> You think they would redact that?
>> Uh I don't know. But I know they
redacted a lot. Um,
>> but is a possible explanation that they
just redacted where these things were so
that people wouldn't go back to the
area.
>> It would be if they didn't have so much
of the of the stuff that was
like you had to like it'll say we went
to this site and we found black bar and
then we went to this site and we found
black bar. So took black bar and then
it'll be another site that it says at
this site we thought there would be some
artifacts but we haven't dug yet. Well,
why is that site not black? That's the
one that's I'm that I'm of all of them.
That's the one I want to go to because
that's the one you said there's still
[ __ ] left to dig up,
>> right?
>> But that's the one and according to
their explanation, that's the one they
black bar. But they don't black bar that
one. They black. So it honestly looks
convoluted. It looks like they're
they're they're selling a false bill of
goods with that. I haven't.
>> What are the other possibilities of the
reason why they would redact it other
than out ofplace artifacts?
>> The the first one, like honestly, the
most mundane is just to sell stuff.
That's a really cool [ __ ] piece. I'm
going to go sell it to Rockefeller.
>> And that could be it.
>> That could be it.
>> And that way they don't have to say what
was there. They redacted it and then
there's no need to explain where it
went.
>> That's right.
>> That makes more sense.
>> That That makes the most sense. It makes
the most sense. It does make the most
sense. That's got money involved.
>> Straight and mundane. And Yep.
>> And people love those things. But it's
become,
like I say, it's it's all over the
Southwest. It's not just one or two
sites. Um, I just stumbled onto it
because I was looking up the the Hila
Cliffins because it happened to have
been there.
>> And that's where I mean, I haven't dug
into it enough to put it all together,
but it's, you know, when I was here last
time, the the cover up stuff was
something I was a whole lot less liable.
I was a whole lot less accepting of a
top down kind of cover up thing, but the
skull stuff has honestly got me where
it's just like, dude, there's too much
of this information that dis it
disappears as I use it. I I put it in
the link it in the video and two weeks
later I can't [ __ ] find it again.
It's like
at a certain point becomes quite obvious
that something's being hidden. when when
the maps change over a hundred years and
we lose information, you get on Google
and ask for the island of Newi elongated
skull and it'll tell you it never
happened. But then you can bring up a
bunch of expeditions of people that had
them from the it's it's constant. It's a
constant. The information is just not
easily accessible. It's hidden. It's
covered up. And I don't know why. 100%
don't know why. I've got some
suspicions. I think some of it probably
has to do with like people's belief
systems as to where we came from. You
know, like uh to give you example like
archaeology, like science in general
fought against the idea of gradualism
and and catastrophism depending on in
the early days of science it was out to
prove the Bible. So things like erosion
weren't what was looked at. It was
things like floods and the walls of
Jericho collapsing. But then the
evolution and then geology it's about
the same time it's really slow gradual
so it became gradualism was the rule of
the day and I [ __ ] you not these two did
not become melded together in what they
call punctuated equilibrium until 1980
with the discovery of the KT impact
disaster the whole loop crater when they
accepted that the scientific community
finally figured out what a [ __ ]
5-year-old could tell you that looked
out the window every day sometimes
things happen slowly and gradually.
Other times things happen
catastrophically and fast. It took
science a hundred years to wrap its
[ __ ] head around that because of
preconceived ideas based on the Bible
and where we came from. So I wouldn't be
surprised at all if that same kind of
psychology was here. evolution's
[ __ ] or this proves. Who knows? But
it seems like the psychology side of it
seems most likely to me that there's
some al underlying reason that they just
pushing a narrative and that this is
flies in the face of it. But again,
that's total speculation on my part. One
of the weirdest aspects of this whole
UAP thing was that there was supposedly
meetings with pastors
where they were talking about some
imminent disclosure that was going to be
very disturbing to some of their people.
And the speculation
was that it was some sort of evidence of
human engineering like that human beings
had been genetically engineered and that
religion itself had been made by
extraterrestrials in order to plate
mankind and keep everybody calm and
together.
>> Sure. I mean, that's it's interesting
stories, but uh but the weirdest one,
like all the the religion stuff made by
aliens seems goofy. People made by
aliens seems less goofy. It seems like
something we would do. If if you went to
uh another planet and you found monkeys
and you said, "Well, let's take these
monkeys and add a little do a little
this, do a little of that." I mean that
if there's evidence that people were
doing that in Peru if that's real. We
know that the Nazis were eugenists. We
know that that's a concept that people
that people do things like that. We know
that we engage in genetic engineering of
animals.
>> We know that we brought back the dire
wolf. Like there's there's a lot of
weird stuff that we do. Now imagine
something infinitely more advanced than
us that finds us and go there's a lot of
potential in these genes. But add a
little
>> cut cut a hundred million years out of
the [ __ ] evolutionary biological
process. Let's just [ __ ] ramp these
[ __ ] up right quick.
>> Go the Zachariah Stitch and H route and
make them lust for gold and silver and
then every so often we'll just come
back, raid Fort Knox, call it a day.
>> It's also the book of Enoch.
>> Yeah, it's there's a it's really
interesting. There's a lot of these
things that do seem to line up with it.
It's um you know the ancient alien stuff
is
>> super weird.
>> Well, it is like I you know it's
honestly using the same kind of thinking
that you were just using on the black
bars. It's like it's always the aliens
are always the last thing I want to
posit because the last because it's just
the most unlikely like
>> that's where you and me differ.
>> Well, like you know I was one of the
ancient alien guys, David Childress. I
was in his living room talking with him
about it and and he couldn't quite get
where my brain is on this cuz I'm
skeptical but not I guess. Um and I I
told him basically I said look at it
like this. If you walked into the
bathroom right now and you came back in
here and your wallet was missing. Now I
could tell you that a dog came in here
and grabbed your wallet and ran out the
door with it. I could tell you an alien
came in here and grabbed your wallet and
ran out the door with it. But you're
going to think that I [ __ ] did it.
And that doesn't mean there's no aliens
and doesn't mean there's no dogs. just
means that we all know what's most
likely and you really use that that it's
ju just like with the black bars it's
like yeah maybe it's an out ofplace
artifact or maybe he's just selling it
to some [ __ ] [ __ ]
>> and so it's all that's where I always
I'm not opposed to the idea of ancient
aliens but you got to get me there
>> but but then on the flip side like what
you said about them uh um changing us I
mean you could take that even to the
degree look at like uh you've seen the
idea that the pyramids were chemical
purification plants the land of chem
right one of the things that he says
jokingly, but he'll say, you know, if an
alien race came here and you were trying
to set up shop, one of the first things
you would do would be set up ways to
like make chemicals and make make the
stuff that you need to make your society
and you would use what was local and
what was available. That does does jive,
right? It does make sense. So, there's
always I mean, I'm not completely
opposed ideas, but there's some things
that the AAM's razor is a lot sharper on
some things than others, I guess you
could put it. But it, you know, I I
agree. But I think the most complexing,
most perplexing part about the pyramids
is just that they exist at all.
>> Agreed.
>> That they exist at all and that they're
4,500 years old at least. Like it's it
doesn't make sense.
>> Not even.
>> It just doesn't make sense. It doesn't
make sense that something that is so
involved and so massive and so complex
and clearly has a tremendous amount of
planning and geometry and understanding
of so many different aspects of
construction that we have no idea how
they accomplished it. There's just too
many too many things that line up with
that where you just go what is going on?
Like isn't it possible that we're
missing something? Absolutely. We're
definitely missing something with the
pyramids. I mean, this is, you know, you
know, they think it was 28 years that it
was that the great pyramid was built in.
28 years
>> based on
>> based on written records and their
assumptions that that Heroditus was
right when he wrote about that part.
They just disregard the rest. What he
Heroditus wrote about that maze of
Sakara. [ __ ] that noise. 28-year
pyramid. Yeah. And I I've so I've told
so many archaeologists, why don't you go
build a [ __ ] fire pit in your
backyard with cinder blocks and get back
to me on that 28 years. It's like you
guys have you don't own a [ __ ] tool
belt. Go. There is no way. Well, you
could have it and you'd have all these
teams of people doing all the
>> There's millions of stones.
>> I I worked as a construction I worked in
construction for a long time.
>> Oh, this is the one in China.
>> Architects and engineers [ __ ] [ __ ] up.
>> Heard of this place?
>> Yeah.
>> Yes, that one's nuts.
>> I saw this one recently. But the thing I
thought was very strange, they said it
was abandoned in like the 14th century.
Uh the Yang Shang Quarry, these nubs are
on this thing.
>> We talked about the nubs being on
>> many different pieces.
>> They're everywhere all over the world.
>> They were saying that they had a they
must have clearly had a a plan obviously
when they were starting to make it. So
the nubs were cut on purpose, but it's
they then abandoned it because they
figured that they were they made them
too big to move, which kind of that
[ __ ] they had good planning, but then
they also had bad planning.
>> So do you think the nubs were involved
in the lifting and maneuvering of these
things?
>> I would not of that one.
>> I mean, that would have to be the plan,
I would say, if that's why they were
purposefully here and they're all over
it.
>> That one looks like it's carved right
into the ground, though. Right into the
rock. That doesn't look like a rock that
was placed there. I might be wrong.
>> No, this was still like they hadn't
moved. These never got moved.
>> Yeah.
>> Right. So, it's a but it's a part of a
quarry where things did get moved.
Right. That's what's really crazy. Like
look at that gap. If you go back to that
last picture that you just had,
>> look at the gap between those two
stones. Now, imagine that that was a
individual piece of stone that was
removed from that gap and somehow placed
somewhere. And again, how long ago? And
who [ __ ] did it? Who did it? And how
did you do it? How'd you do that? What
are you using?
>> Yes.
>> And the to say that's not a mystery is
[ __ ] nuts.
>> Well, I the
>> I don't understand why they why they
want to get rid of the side of the
mystery to begin with.
>> Look at how that looks.
>> That looks like someone cut that out.
>> Well, I mean, they started to, but with
what is
>> right, but look how big it is. Look how
big the slab is that's next to that
structure. The one above it. The where?
Yeah, that thing. Look how big that is.
Like, was that cut out? It looks like it
was cut out.
>> Little carving inside of it even. Yeah,
>> there's a similar I forgot to I'm trying
to remember where it was in my head, but
it looks like it's floating. I think
it's in China, too, where it's looks
like this, but it was put on top of like
this
>> very small little bit of water.
>> I know what you're talking about. Looks
>> like a fortress or something.
>> Damn.
Um, I don't want to sidetrack, but I'm
gonna I was looking into this elongated
heads thing. It was going on in France
up until World War I.
>> YEP. WHOA.
>> And why I'm finding a very interesting
thing here.
>> A lot of Neanderls in France.
>> Well, so they were
>> It was Yes.
>> Yeah.
>> They were fashion baby bonnets were
>> turn to the left. Fashion.
>> Why baby bonnets were tied on the baby's
heads? They did it a little bit of
fashion, a little bit to for protection,
but there's something here I kind of
stumbled across on enough like if you go
back further in history, it could make
more sense that they were protecting
them from spirits. And if you, you know,
if you protect, if you tied it tight
enough and nothing's getting in there.
>> Oh boy.
>> And that reshaped the head.
>> And it was a poor kid. Look at that poor
kid. Oh god.
>> Not on purpose to reshape the head, but
that's just what happened, you know?
Like
>> look at that baby. Like I said, eyes
bulging out like a mouse caught in a
trap.
>> Oh [ __ ] man.
>> Like it might have been a protection to
just like keep your like kids were dying
for, you know, all sorts of reasons back
then. If they thought something would
get into their head to kill them, too,
they probably would do anything they
could to protect them.
>> Yeah.
>> Now, you can't increase the capacity.
>> Yeah. It didn't increase capacity is
what I was saying. Nothing.
>> That's what they say. It's it that one's
I mean,
>> could you
>> Well, I don't know. I could you stretch
it?
>> I honestly don't know. I I it's that
one's kind of frustrating is because it
again you get you can pick your expert.
There's people that will say these
elongated schools have a higher
capacity. There's people that say they
don't. And since you can't go put your
fingers on them,
[ __ ] pick your expert. Here we are
again. Right back where we started. You
pick what what's your opinion. Well,
that's that's the truth, my friend. And
welcome to 2026. [ __ ]
>> it's so interesting. Particularly Peru.
I mean, when you just all the different
things that point to a a spectacularly
odd society.
>> Oh, man. Yeah.
>> And you just go, "What was it like, man?
What was what was reality for them? Why
did they make those Nazca lines? Why did
they make those beautiful drawings that
you could only see from the sky?
>> The Pacific Northwest has some [ __ ]
that's pretty wild. There was Mount
Coffin, which is the place I told you
where they saw those uh 3,000 burials.
Um in the early 1900s, the Portland Star
and Cement Company bought Mount Coffin.
And the pictures from before are it's
like a um basalt formation and it looks
partially modified. Um I've got three
pictures of it there, Jamie, if you
don't mind. The first one with just
Mount Coffin. There was like some people
I think it says basalt or something but
there's like some people on it and the
Portland star and gravel company bought
it and they mined it all away. They
Daughters of the American Revolution
tried to buy it. The Illuminati dude
that was all like crazy. Yeah, that's
that's the picture of it there. There's
a picture of a bunch of people standing
on it. I think might be the next one
over. Um it's like a bunch of uh dudes
standing on this basalt formation. It's
a a skinnier pick. Sorry. But you can
kind of see there where it might be
artificially modified. The locals say
there was all kinds of cool treasure in
there. Now, the dude that built Long
View, RA Long, Raw Long, um, built Long
View is shape of a pyramid. The the
floor plan of Long, not only has it got
a pyramid floor plan, it's actually got
a little little from the center going
out like a little culde-sac that goes
out like it's got the focal star from
the pyramid coming out of it. It's
[ __ ] crazy. the floor floor plan of
Long View, if you just um but the
streets were paved of the the four main
pyramid arcs were paved with the gravel
that came from that mountain.
>> This this the town is like
>> Can I see some images?
>> I'm stuck down the 19 Yeah, I'm trying
to I got to restart.
>> Okay.
>> Um but yeah, the uh the guy it was
pretty nuts. the guy was like uh he he
was a a member of the uh Freemason
stuff. Um and they again he couldn't buy
the mountain. They wouldn't sell it to
him. But but when they he bought the
gravel, he had the roads paved in these
weird um uh octagons or hexagons instead
of uh yeah like a floor plan. You can
see like that. See the four from the
center. Like if you get a
and
>> how weird.
>> And there's if you get a straight top
down view, you can see
>> I'm looking at I haven't found one yet.
>> Oh, sorry. Um but yeah, you can see
there we go. Getting better.
>> I think it's harder to see.
>> Yeah.
>> But yeah, just just map of Long View,
Washington. That that picture there, the
disruption of Mount Coffin. See how that
that's the one there that's got all
these people on and stuff and they look
like the basalt might have been
partially made uh partially modified.
They're not 100% right. But there were a
lot of rumors about treasures being
pulled out of that while they were
tearing it down. But
by the time that this was all being
done, there were already laws against
destroying Native American mounds and
sites and stuff. So rail, this guy uh
Long was a a lumber baron. He comes out
there and wants to build up a a lumber
mill and stuff and all this crap. So, he
builds a town of Long View, a totally
planned city. And then he built all this
goofy pyramid. He's got there's a a
statue of him in the middle of town with
um a girl handing him a rose and she's
holding a dozen roses and handing him
the 13th, which apparently is some sort
of weird Freemason [ __ ] I don't know
all the all their symbolism, but all
kinds of goofy Freemason symbolism,
right? And yeah, you see like the the
town's laid out as a pyramid and you see
to the right the center how it goes out
to that little circle on the side.
>> Uhhuh.
>> Like it's this was um they've cut off
the one line since then. Um no longer do
they honor Long View's uh Long's
original plan. They've actually he had a
statue of him that used to face the
rising sun. They've relocated it. That
town was [ __ ] weird, man. And they
they went almost like they're trying to
fight his mojo or something. But that's
what he did when he stole the Indians
mojo. This was their burial mound. This
is where they found their sacred
>> [ __ ] all that. Pave my streets with it.
Make that my mojo.
>> And then somebody else is in there now
going, "Yeah, [ __ ] your mojo." It's It's
weird. And I, you know, I I don't need
to believe in all the spiritual stuff,
but you know, HP Lovecraft has a great
quote about that. He says, "I don't need
to believe in Santa Claus to know that
people exchange gifts on December 25th.
I can still follow your craziness even
if I'm not crazy." Right? And so in this
case, they seem to be up to [ __ ] some
Crazy [ __ ] over there. Fight. But it
just happens to be where biggest
concentration of elongated skulls in
history were.
>> Wow.
>> And it history doesn't when I say this
[ __ ] All the archaeologist. Oh, there's
no proof. It's simple math. To be buried
here, you had to be a noble. To be a
noble, your skull had to be modified.
3,000 burials were reported. 3,000
elongated skulls. Not complicated here.
Not tricky. But they'll argue with this
to the Oh, Dan doesn't know what the
[ __ ] he's talking about.
Okay.
>> What is your take on the Grand Canyon?
>> The Grand Canyon stuff is really weird.
>> Talking about Cad's Cave and [ __ ] Yes,
dude. That's
>> again one of those things where it's
like, you know, two years ago, I'd have
been like, it probably is Native
American stuff at this point. Now, I
joked the last one of these uh Quest for
ancient civilizations things that we
had. I joked on stage when they asked uh
they were talking about uh different
things that I said that the next time
that we have some 9/11 type of [ __ ] and
all the alphabet boys run back east, I'm
[ __ ] brought off to the Grand Canyon.
It's time, boys.
>> Well, right now you can't go into the
area.
>> Yeah, because all the off restricted.
>> Yeah,
>> there's a part of the Grand Canyon
that's restricted because it's air quote
too dangerous or
>> or it's Native American sacred site
depending on who you ask. This is
>> But I haven't heard that part. Well,
yeah. If you That's the explanation that
I usually see is,
>> oh, that it's Native American sacred.
>> Did they claim it's sacred?
>> I don't know.
>> Cuz you would imagine the whole thing is
sacred. You would think,
>> wouldn't you think that they were
through? Like, that's not stopped us
before.
>> I was going to say all of a sudden we
give a [ __ ] What about Rout Rushmore?
>> But the fact, right, the fact that it
happens to coincidentally be the place
where this guy said he found a cave with
Egyptian art in it.
>> Exactly. That's where What year was that
story?
>> Oh, I want to say 1920. 9
>> 1909.
>> I'm off. Sorry.
>> Let's see. What is uh
>> It says it's a hoax.
>> Yeah, of course it says it's a hoax.
>> Yeah.
>> No, sorry.
>> There were though.
>> There were hoaxes back then.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> There a bunch of hoaxes. A bunch of
people. There were a contest to try to
get your [ __ ] hoax reported the most.
>> Oh, yeah. I'm sure there's hoaxes. The
Grand Canyon hoax, though. The thing
that's weird to me is that you can't go
there.
>> Oh, yeah. A 1909 newspaper story
claiming a vast ancient underground city
complete with mummies, copper tools,
hieroglyphs, and oriental, in quotes, or
Egyptian style artifacts have been
discovered inside the canyon.
Overwhelmingly regarded as a period tall
tale, not an archaeological discovery.
In March 12, 2009,
J GE Concincaid
>> 1909,
>> excuse me, 1909. GE Concincaid,
supposedly a lone explorer who had
traveled the Colorado River from Green
River, Wyoming to Yuma. April 5th, 1909.
Paper dramatically expanded the claim.
It said Concaid had found a nearly
inaccessible cave citadel in the canyon
that uh Professor S. A. Jordan and the
Smithsonian were investigating it. The
article described hundreds of rooms,
mummies in a crypt, copper and gold
vessel, strange writing, a Buddha-like
idol, graneries, and space for up to
50,000 inhabitants. Wait, what?
>> Yeah.
>> Said the inhabitants may have originated
in Egypt or somewhere in the Orient.
>> But no, I do know that Jason guy, and
he's um kind of a two-faced piece of
crap, so I wouldn't trust everything
that he says here. If he saw something
that flew in the face of his narrative,
he will not report it.
>> Who is this guy? that Jason Kolivo guy.
He's a professional debunker. That's um
basically Yeah, I He's He's one If you
ask Graham Hancock to list off the top
10 pieces of [ __ ] that argue with him,
this guy's name's going to come up.
>> There's no known physical evidence, no
cave complex matching the description,
excavated material, field notes,
photographs, maps, uh accession records,
or peer-reviewed archaeological report.
The alleged Smithsonian personnel and
expedition do not correspond to a
documented Smithsonian project in the
way the article claimed. But is there a
documented his Smithsonian project in
the Grand Canyon? Well, to me, to me,
this is like really simple. This is the
same as it's simple to figure out
whether or not these skulls have more
like capacity or not. Just [ __ ] let
somebody go there. if it's too dangerous
or if it's a native, get a Native
American archaeology team, get some
drones, [ __ ] investigate and close
the door on it. But let me ask you this.
If they really did find an immense
cavern that could have 50,000 people
living in it, and they found Egyptian
hieroglyphs and mummies and sarcophagus
or whatever they whatever they found. Do
you think they would hide that?
>> I That's a tough one. Honestly, honestly
something that
>> Don't you think that the people that
discovered that would become famous?
>> Oh yeah.
>> And it would be a huge thing and
archaeologists would want to get credit
for it.
>> Yes and no. Um like like let's put it
this way. Say for instance you found
something that that
proved those tridactyl mummies were
real. Okay.
>> Okay.
>> You know you're going to get push back.
>> Okay. Now say for instance you're a
mainstream archaeologist. your your
whole job is is reliant on going through
the proper channels. Now, I've seen what
Flint did to me when I called him out as
a liar. Do you know how many people call
me They put me in the same [ __ ] camp
as Madam Levonsky now. I'm dead serious.
They'll call me total pseudocientists.
They say that I believe in all kinds of
crazy [ __ ]
>> Who's that person you just said?
>> Madam Lavoski.
>> Who's that? She's one of the uh old like
the turn of the century during the uh
like a hundred years ago when everybody
was the the the
what do they call during the memeism era
and stuff when all the people were
seances and she was one of those
>> [ __ ] artist
and so she they put me in the same
category, right? Um like the guy that I
talked to about the metal urgy and the
ice age is an ice core specialist. Flint
crawled up his ass and got this dude to
retract what he said and stuff.
If you're a mainstream archaeologist and
you fly a foul of these other guys,
you're liable to lose your job. Yeah.
Like I was saying earlier, it says it
right in the Wikipedia thing. If you
posited an earlier dating of the people
of the Americas than this, these guys
were going to destroy your career.
>> I understand that. but to get the
military involved and to block off the
Grand Canyon because there's an area
that's too dangerous or it's an area
that's sacred to Native Americans to me
is a bit of a reach that you get the
Pentagon involved and they they send
[ __ ] Blackhawk helicopters to circle
the area and make sure that hikers
aren't
>> climbing. Something's up there.
Something's up there. I mean, it might
be nothing more than they got a military
base sitting in there.
>> I mean, dude, in Sedona, holy [ __ ] I'd
never seen a UFO and I went when I was
in Sedona they there's a what they call
secret mountain and they hand me these
dudes hand me these night vision goggles
and it was like you're seeing all these
little things in the air and then it was
like five lights come out from this
cloud they move in and they all
disappeared together and I was like all
this happens over secret mountain all
the time I'm like yeah
>> Sedona is a weird place man
>> Sedona is [ __ ] weird
>> and the people there are weird as [ __ ]
>> I have never seen so many hustlers that
weren't hooked on meth in my [ __ ]
life. Everybody there's got everybody
there's got a way to make 20 bucks here,
20 bucks there. But that's cuz it's more
expensive to buy a to rent a home in
Sedona than it is to rent property to
rent business property on the main drag.
They can't get minimum wage people to
work there. They they it's 20 miles to
the nearest town or 15 miles to the
nearest town. So like they have a real
hard time. Sedona is just kind of
collapsing under its own weight.
>> Well, it's all newagy people, right?
>> All newagy people and they're all trying
to make a buck anyway they can. So, why
are the newagy people attracted to
Sedona?
>> Because of the because of the uh what do
you call it? The
>> Yeah, the the the reputation of uh
>> you know, it's funny the the guy uh my
my buddy Robert, he's organizing this
whole thing that's going to be at the
ACL. He uh he's lived in Sedona for
years and he tells me like a lot of
these vortices like there was like three
of them that were energy vortexes that
were known about and then this woman
comes through in the 80s or the 90s and
she said she found a whole bunch more
and he says it's really funny she's
grossly overweight and that's why every
one of the vortices she found is about
5t from the highway.
The three real ones, they're out in the
sticks, man. Or in the desert, but
Madvoski, she says it's right there.
>> How convenient.
>> Right. Right next to my bag of Juju
beans.
>> That's funny. Has anybody tried to find
I know there's this one guy who went to
the Grand Canyon. He got chased out, but
he found something really weird there.
>> Yeah, I'm think there's I just found a
comment on a video that said this guy
was actually hit by a drunk driver, and
he has some of the best videos.
>> Hit by a drunk driver and killed. Yes,
he's dead now. Yeah, I used to watch
this guy a lot.
>> This video has four million views in two
years. So,
>> you a lot of people would use Google
Earth and to be like, "Hey, check this
out." But [ __ ] use Google Earth.
And then he'd go there.
>> And what did he find that's so baffling?
>> I don't know. I have to watch the video
and find out.
>> You imagine if they whacked this guy
because he found something.
>> No,
>> that's happened before.
>> What did he find?
>> That's I almost
>> So, is he in the area where you're not
supposed to be?
>> I don't know. That's I'm trying to
stumble. I'm going through all sorts of
places real quick. I also would go if uh
it wouldn't be two years later that we
just found this amazing discovery if
people would have shared this every day
on Twitter, you know.
>> Yeah. Right. But what is it? What's the
amazing
>> discovery? There could be nothing. I you
know
>> what is this?
>> I don't know. I don't know where he's
at.
>> He found this.
>> That's a cliff dwelling obviously. But
>> that's in the Grand Canyon.
>> Yeah. I've seen this in other pictures
though. So it's that's not a you know
discovery,
>> right? So we know there were dwellings
in the Grand Grand Canyon. The real
question is that grand claim of
something that has 50,000 people
>> Grand Canyon hidden cave
>> a thousand hidden caves although around
335 are officially recorded and most are
strictly off limits to the public. See,
and that's that's now why are those off
limits to the public, but other cliff
dwelling places allow people to
>> what's that?
>> All sorts of reasons where they are.
Like you said, there could be part of
it's on native land. Some it's probably
very dangerous to get to.
>> Want to come save you.
>> Yeah.
>> But it does get kind of weird when you
look at like
>> So, some of them are legal. It says
legal visits Grand Canyon Caverns
located off Route 66 near Peach Springs,
Arizona. the biggest, largest, dry
caverns in the US and offer public
tours. Click on that.
>> Yeah. I say just because it's not open
to the public doesn't mean you can't go
there. You just have to ask for
permission probably in some cases and
just get a tour guide or something.
>> Yeah, but I think the area we're talking
about is closed.
>> That's I don't I haven't seen I'm
looking for a list.
>> At the mouth of the Colorado, it's at
the mouth of the Colorado River
>> is where Concaid supposedly found his
thing. So like at right at the mouth of
the Colorado River is where the Grand
Canyon is like suppose from what I
understand is where you just can't go
like on the on the side of the hill
there on the side of the cliff. But I
haven't tried going I'm waiting again
I'm waiting for the next time till
there's a national disaster and
everybody runs back east cuz man I you
know I living on the west coast I don't
live far from Hanford a little ways but
it's real clear like when World War II
happened they're like oh we're going to
build this [ __ ] crazy bomb that might
blow the world up. Let's put it all the
way on the other side of the country
from where we live over where all those
cowboys and and hicks live. And if we,
you know, if Washington glows in the
dark, well then 50 years later, we got a
bunch of blue-haired [ __ ]
running out of Seattle. So you figure
that one out as you will. But they
definitely, you know, they put all the
poison over with us. That's that's how
they plan to do it. It's um it's the
same in the desert, right? They dump all
that [ __ ] out in the desert. Why do they
test all the nukes in the desert in
instead of over on somewhere near the
east? because they don't want that [ __ ]
blowing in their backyard. All those
nice Rhode Island houses you're talking
about. They they don't need radiated
radiate Seattle,
>> right?
>> So,
>> damn.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Hanford's crazy. If you ever
drive through there up in Washington,
there's all these nuclear storage
facility.
>> I wonder if someone has a reason why you
can't go to that area that they could
tell us about.
>> That's there. Unfortunately, from what
I've seen, I mean, I might I'm not as
Jaime's pretty damn quick. So, I'll get,
you know, he might find something that I
haven't seen quickly, but uh from what
I've seen, it's it's very much like he
says, she says this guy said there was
stuff there. They say there's nothing
there. They won't let you go there.
There was one guy that claimed to have
tried to go there and like he supposedly
had a video where like people stopped
him before he got there, but I watched
it. It looked kind of like maybe.
>> But they say that about Secret Mountain
in Sedona. They say that if you go
walking around on Secret Mountain up in
Sedona that eventually a park ranger
will come up to you. He's a lot buffer
and better armed than most park rangers
you're going to meet and oh Joe Rogan
security. No.
>> Do you think there's maybe some sort of
an alien base somewhere in the United
States?
>> If if there are aliens and they're
actively working with governments at
all, then ours ours the Russians and the
Chinese would be the only ones they'd
give a [ __ ] about. Let's be honest.
There's there's not the rest of the
countries are the rest of the world all
kind of just follows us. The oils, if
you're an alien race, the oils, oh, look
at those cute guys in their coal,
>> right?
>> But beyond that, yeah, I think if I I
don't like I'm pretty skeptical when it
comes to alien stuff. But if aliens are
visiting Earth,
>> um then yeah, I would ass if they're
working with humans at all, then yeah,
they're probably working with
governments. And when I say skeptical
about the alien thing, it's really one
of two things. either we're so far away
and technology. So, like look at where
we're at now. We're maybe hundred years
from actually some sort of interstellar
travel and we're also maybe 20 years
from completely wiping ourselves out. I
think a 20-year-old kid with a million
dollars can buy crisper and sit there
and make genes in his [ __ ] B. [ __ ]
We ain't looking long left on this rock,
bro. We got [ __ ] AI. Do you hear what
they did with that fruitfly? They took
the fruitfly brain, put it in a
computer, a physics engine, and it's all
running around and flying like it's
real. They max headroom this fruit fly.
They chopped it brain into little
pieces. Well, now they got it playing
Beat Saber and [ __ ] Doom and all this
other [ __ ] And you ever read the book,
I have no mouth, but I must scream. At
the very end, it's like these aliens
genetically manipulating people. And at
the end, there's this person that it's
just like a blob. And that's what it
says. I have no mouth, but I feel the
urge to scream. Imagine being a fruitly
with all my balls itch. I press the
balls itch button. It's Beat Saber. It's
like, [ __ ] That fruit fly is going to
suffer more than any other animal in the
history of humanity from kids pulling
the wings off a fly. Oh, just set that
brain to experience 10,000 years of me
ripping its wings off. And here we are.
We're we're doing it right now. We're
doing that [ __ ] right now that they're
ripping the wings. But Beat saber and
[ __ ] That thing suff. So anyway, my
point is is as a species as we look at
going out into the stars, we're also
guttural as [ __ ] So a species has to
get through a lot of has a lot of
hurdles to jump,
>> right? But if they jump those hurdles,
there ain't no way we're not going to be
impressive. We're not going to be
attractive because there it's universe
is dead, man. So it's mo dead life. Dead
dead dead life. They're going to look at
us. So I have basically two sides of the
coin on that is on the one I'm pretty
skeptical of them getting getting it
going, but if they did getting it going,
well, yeah, they'd come around.
>> Yeah. I don't know that they would be
like us. Like our idea is like that
we're so violent and we develop these
weapons, we do that, we're so close to
destroying ourselves. What if that's a
factor of accelerated evolution? What if
that's a factor of you take intellect
and this lust for
technology and to transform its
environment and you implant that in a
territorial primate?
>> Yeah. That I mean, yeah. like you're
you're dealing with like a weird hybrid
>> of an evolved species. Like an evolved
species that still maintains this tribal
primitive behavior but also has this
incredible lust for innovation.
>> Mhm. No, I I could see that. I
>> So we're like too complicated because
we're not good. Yeah. We didn't
>> we're [ __ ] design.
>> Yeah. We grew out of our we too big one
direction I I follow. And yeah, that's a
that's a good possibility. I mean, it's
ultimately I my brain on these things
ends up thinking about the probability
of all these different things happening.
It seems to me if if we were genetically
manipulated by aliens, um, you know,
even not if we weren't genetically
manipulated by aliens, you know, one of
the things you have to do to get off of
the rock is going to have to be a uh
curious species, right? That's something
otherwise they don't give a [ __ ]
They're going to have to be social
>> uh because they're going to have to work
together. they're going to have to be
godlike in and of themselves. So,
there's a few things that we can assume
about them, but yeah. Um,
we only have one example of intelligence
evolving. And if it didn't evolve, if it
was created like you're saying, then we
don't really know.
>> We have multiple examples.
>> Well, dolphins and orcas.
>> Yeah. We we have a hard time whales.
Well, but we have a hard time um
we have a hard time, like you were
saying earlier, we have a hard time uh
understanding them. They they might they
might be extremely intelligent in a lot
of ways, but there's a lot of they might
not be the least bit intelligent. A
raccoon might be way better. It probably
is way better at manipulating its
environment than a dolphin.
>> Of course.
>> So that point
>> because it's not necessary in their
world. They they move through 3D space.
>> Exactly. So um but then so their brain
might not even have developed certain
things that we Right.
>> Yeah. So
>> then the question is did it develop
something else? Like is their form of
communication superior? That's
see that's where really like the words
like what is what's the end goal? Is the
end goal to have a good life or is the
end goal to get off the rock? I mean if
if the end goal is to have a good like
uh a good life, Ari Mat's got it nailed
when he when he talks about the people
on the the love on the spectrum. They're
way happier than all the rest of us are.
Ari Maddie, excuse me. But um the the
love on the spectrum or excuse me the uh
the h you know is it about happiness or
is it about survival? Is it about
getting off the what's the end goal?
It's like
>> well is the end goal collective for the
human species to evolve and advance and
move past the state that we're at now or
is your own individual existence and
your happiness currently? Like what's
what's important? And we don't really
move collectively as individual. We
think we do things collectively, but we
think about ourselves.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, when when people are like
planning for their retirement, they're
not like trying to help out the human
race. They're like trying to provide for
themselves.
>> That's correct. But on the other side,
like when um when I'm working on doing
research, and you do a lot of research,
you'll probably understand this
yourself, or when GSP invents the
Superman punch, it's like you when you
bring something new to the world, you
kind of feel cool, you know? you kind of
feel like I've just contributed to the
grand total of human thinking and I
didn't just add like a a dot or
something. I actually I I contribute
that's
>> so you could see where almost like a
subconscious desire to do that.
>> Um so yeah, it is weird. It's like you
know we do you watch birds fly together
and fish move in a school and then you
watch mobs. It's like dude there is some
sort of unimmind that's tying us
together. It does and I'm not trying to
get all metaphysical. This might not be
nothing more than than pherommones and
chemicals, but something's got us where
people act. You can feel it at times.
You can walk into a room and feel the
[ __ ] energy and just know, "Oh, I
shouldn't be in this room. These people
don't like me. This guy, it's not
and it's not necessarily like a
metaphysical thing, although that's the
branch, the stamp that everybody puts
on. It's one of the unfortunate things
is that if something becomes like like
water dowsing, if something starts as a
metaphysical thing, science is going to
kneejerk to the end of time to resist
it. But ask anybody who drills wells
about dowsing. If they drill wells for a
[ __ ] living, they douse. Period. Just
like a cop knows that full moon fever is
a thing. The scientist, well, full moon
fever statistically. The cop's like,
"Yeah."
>> What do you think is going on with
dowsing? Honestly, I think it's You
remember when we used to have tube TVs
everywhere and you'd walk down the
street and you'd know your friend was
watching TV because you could feel the
[ __ ] hair on the back of your neck
stand up or whatever?
>> No.
>> You don't remember? You never felt the
electromagnetic feeling of a tube TV?
>> No.
>> Well, I didn't walk by my friend's house
and know he was watching TV.
>> Did you ever you ever be able to walk
into a room and know that that tube TV
was on? You don't remember like the
>> God, I don't I don't remember that.
>> Well, I know that a lot of the viewers
remember it's a thing. I'm sure if Jamie
looks it up,
>> you could feel the energy of the
>> you can feel that the old tube TVs, you
could feel them
>> and um they don't have an exact
reason, but you know, it's
electromagnetics and you maybe there's
iron in your blood. That's
>> And so this dowsing, it's like with
rods, those those those twisty rods, and
they move together when you're getting
close to
>> walking over a water source. Yeah. They
just do.
>> Do you think it really works?
>> Uh according to the guys that make money
off of it, it does. and and I wouldn't I
mean
>> has anybody tried to do a study on why
that would work?
>> They that that's where um the only
things I've seen were pretty skeptical
and pretty kind of just like it doesn't
work. But um again that's kind of where
the rubber meets the road. It's like
>> seems like that would be easy to prove.
>> You'd think so. Like you got a dowser.
>> Yeah. Well and that that's the thing is
that they science wants everybody to be
able to do it. You know what I mean?
They want to be able to we're going to
get 50 people together and have them all
go out in the field and douse.
>> You would take a someone as good at it.
So CRT sets used a high voltage flyback
transformer and magnetic deflection
system to sweep an electron beam across
the screen. Those parts commonly
vibrated around the horizontal scan
frequency roughly 15 to 16 kHz in many
TV standards creating a very high thin
tone. Children and young adults tend to
hear high frequencies better. So they
were especially likely to walk into a
house or pass a closed door and
immediate know the TV was running. Whoa.
>> Static charge and beneath that as well.
>> That's interesting that children and
younger adults can pick it up. Like they
also like see ghosts.
>> Yeah, this might be what difference.
You're just a few years older than me
and so you might not remember it as
well.
>> Maybe maybe people just got duller over
time and they can't feel it anymore.
>> Yeah. Well, these these don't use that
those transformers and all that. Right.
Of course. Yeah. These are these are a
joke by comparison. But my point is
there's things like this that we we can
pick up on. There's things that we pick
up on that we that that we can be
tested. And honestly, I love psychology.
Although I'll psychology, just like
archaeology, is not a science. I don't
care when anything that self-reported is
not a [ __ ] science. You think Epstein
told his shrink what he was up to? [ __ ]
no. Okay, there you go. So, but
psychology does have some scientific
bits and uh one of the things though is
ultimately it's the lens that all of it
comes through. Everything that we do
comes down through that psychological
lens. Like me talking earlier about it
taking hundred years for them to
reconcile gradualism and catastrophism.
It's all through here
>> and it's all through the zeitgeist to
the time like right now racism is the
big thing and all this social programs
and so that becomes part of science for
whatever [ __ ] reason. I mean, I'll
still never forget the time I saw the
article about feminist math and I just
wanted to [ __ ]
>> What was it?
>> Feminist math. You know, it's that it
>> I don't know. Maybe six oppresses seven.
I don't [ __ ] know. I don't really
know. I guess seven's more pointy and
six has the whole probably the other
way. And at any rate,
>> it's I just laughed. It's there's we
don't have room for that [ __ ] in
science. The whole point of science I
say this a bunch. The whole point of
science is to like the whole point of
the scientific method is to strip
individual biases away. This is why
replicability is so [ __ ] important
because if I do it and you do it and you
don't get the same result as me, there's
a problem. Um,
>> it's weird when it gets into racial
differences and they just ignore it
completely and they they they call the
data racist.
>> Oh yeah, that's exactly what and then
then the guys that are like openly
racist, they love that data. Well, the
weird thing about the data being racist
is uh it's not white supremacists at all
because Asians are doing way better.
>> Yeah, exactly. But you don't want to
talk about that. You're that's like
>> the problem is the people that aren't
doing as well.
>> The problem is is that they're in my
opinion is they're trying to take
Marxism and turn it into a anything
besides a monetary [ __ ] idea. You
try to do it well at a social level.
Social Marxism. Oh, come on, dude. This
is how you get the oppression Olympics.
You know, I've I've got it worse than
you know how much money I had to spend
to get custody of my kid and I had no
social programs for me. Oh, wo was
>> and you go you go on that [ __ ] forever.
It's it's so stupid. The one of my you
know 95% of the people that are shot in
this country by the cops are men. Do we
need a men's lives matter movement or is
that a little [ __ ] up? Okay, but
that's it's
>> Well, it's also men are the ones who
create most of the violence. They're the
ones that need to get shot. Well, this
how about how this my thinking is like
this. When a a a cop shoots a person,
he's shoots a guy, he feels more
threatened than he does by a woman. And
when he shoots a black guy, he feels
more threatened than he does by a white
guy. Now, whether that's racism or
personal experience or town by town,
whatever, at the end of the day, just
saying this is pure racism is like,
"Okay, well then this is pure sexism,
right?" Oh, no. It's not pure sexism
when they're shooting guys, but it's
when they're black. I mean, in all
honesty, Donald Trump has a higher
chance of being shot by the cops wrongly
than Camala Harris. That's statistically
like way more likely, like 20 times more
likely
>> in terms of men getting shot more than
women.
>> White guys are 20 times more likely to
get shot by the cops wrongly than a
black woman.
>> Right. And this is not that's not
denying racism or denying sexism. It's
just
>> you're dealing with statistics. I'm what
I'm trying to do is take the I only
bring these up because so many people
bring up these statistics to say this is
a problem and this is a problem and this
is a problem and that's what when you
bring up this one that's just
overwhelmingly it's like all of a sudden
we look at things differently now.
>> This is a social Marxism thing. It's
like and then it's also there's like a
currency in being oppressed. There's a
currency in recognizing oppression.
There's a currency in signaling virtue
that you recognize oppression that other
people don't. you know,
admitting your whatever whatever biases
on the floor,
>> whatever, you know,
>> I'm so sorry. It might be
>> whatever privilege you may have, you
know, land acknowledgements, all that
crazy stuff.
>> It's like, you know, it
>> we're trying to be good people, but
we're doing it in a way that points at
everybody else like they're bad. That's
exactly.
>> And that's where it gets real squirrely
because people are using the the premise
of being a good person to be really
shitty to people that don't deserve it.
>> No, I Yeah, I you know, and they don't
do anything on their own. Like they're
going to tell me that I should be doing
X, Y, or Z, but like Kansas University
recently like put out this big thing
about how they feel so bad for living on
indigenous land and
>> you know, they give it back.
>> Thank you. [ __ ] No, they ain't giving
it back. You know what? They ain't even
they even repatriated all the bones that
they've got that they're supposed to
have repatriated in 1990.
>> I've only been to one place where I saw
an actual land disclosure and it was at
the South by Southwest premiere of the
Age of Disclosure. And I thought this
was so hilarious. There is a documentary
about us being invaded by aliens. And
before they play the documentary, they
they have to acknowledge that someone
invaded this land and took it from the
natives. And this is the ancestral
tribal land of the tong whatever tribes
they they said we must acknowledge this
first. Like wouldn't you play the movie?
>> This isn't a history lesson. This isn't
a struggle session. Play the [ __ ]
movie. It's literally about us getting
invaded by aliens.
>> Yeah. And and and this is supposed to
make it like
>> better.
>> You're a good person because you
acknowledge this.
>> A
>> All right, I got to wrap this up. Um
your thing uh is give out the dates.
Tell everybody it's October 16th through
18th at the Quest for Ancient
Civilizations Conference at the ACL
Live. It's right here in Austin.
>> Should be a banger of a time.
>> It's going to be amazing.
>> I'm sure it's going to be awesome. All
those people there. Randall Carlson.
>> Yep.
>> Billy Carson. Who else?
>> Yeah. Whole bunch. Kurt Med.
>> Kurt Mezer and Duncan Trussell together.
That's Tunka Trussell on Test and doing
deadlifts for 10 years. Um David
Childress. Great great cast of people.
Awesome guys. David Childers is a really
good dude, man.
>> What did they do to you, man? They made
you look
>> Well, you know, it's it's the AI. It's
>> You look like Alan Watts.
>> I I look like somebody else entirely. I
I almost Amish.
>> You look very odd.
>> Either way, thanks.
>> You sound just like the chicks at the
bar last night.
>> It's a problem with the [ __ ] AI. You
don't have to do that or do it do it and
do it right.
>> I my I say it to everybody. I actually
had a production team or I wanted to
like get me to sign up to do, you know,
for them to help produce for me and
stuff. And when I told them that I was
not going to have any AI videos, no AI
clipping, no AI thumbnails, and
certainly no AI communicating with my
followers, they're like, "We'll have to
get back to you on the price." I'm like,
"Yeah, I just took your tool belt,
didn't I?"
>> They wanted to be easy.
>> Yeah, I can buy anything, too. Anyway,
thank you. Always good to see you,
brother. You too, man. Hey everybody.