[laughter]
Come on. Come on. These are the panic
breaths of a man who just killed an
alien.
In October 1996, a man who goes by the
name Dr. Jonathan Reed went on a hike
with his dog Susie when to his horror
Susie encounters a strange creature.
According to Reed, this creature
violently tears his companion in half in
front of his eyes.
Blinded by rage, Reed grabs the nearest
blunt object and with one swift blow,
the stick connects with the being's
head. [music]
Both Reed and the supposed ET being
collapse. What follows is a tale that
involves discovering alien technology,
hiding a body, running from [music]
hitmen, and according to Reed, an
ongoing communication with an alien
race. This is by far the most debated,
contentious, and polarizing case in UFO
[music] history. Mention Reed's name to
two researchers and you'll start a
fight. Some [music] claim the footage is
objective evidence of ET contact, while
others believe it was all made up for
attention.
>> Every day I wake up and I know that
there's 14 people who are dead because
of me.
>> I traveled to Seattle to sit down with
Reed for nearly 3 hours to find out for
myself. And as you'll see, there are
definitely parts of the story that don't
seem to add up. The claims are just too
grandiose. Even his name is a pseudonym
which he gave himself to allegedly
protect his identity. But protected from
what exactly? From the people he claims
that are after him or to protect his
real identity which may or may not live
up to the academic pedigree he's
presented. Of course, I'm skeptical.
That goes without saying. But what if
even 1% [music] of what he is alleging
is true?
What if he did confront an alien in the
woods?
Is that not worth pursuing?
And as always, I urge my viewers to
simply suspend their disbelief. For the
next few hours, look beyond the
skeptical confines we've created for
ourselves. Allow your level of
conviction to fluctuate and see if
anything lands.
And I'll see you on the other side.
>> And stay tuned to the end of the video
for an Area 52 exclusive where Dr. Reed
shares with us for the very first time
an object allegedly [music] made from
the metal found at the site.
All right,
we are here with Dr. Jonathan Reed. Um,
just watched the documentary Contact in
the Woods.
But again, the proof was only reason.
The entity that I call Freddy is in
constant communication with me. It has
to do with things that are happening now
and that are going to be happening soon.
Um, I've been following your story for
quite a while, as many people on the
internet have, I'm sure they've reached
out or tried to reach out to you. Um,
before we get into your story, uh,
because I do want to get into that
because there are some details that I I
just I'm curious about and I want to see
if there's anything else there that we
can glean from that.
>> But before we do, first of all, I want
to say thank you uh, for meeting me.
>> Oh, it's my pleasure. It's a it's an
honor to meet you and
>> thank you for taking the time
>> to listen,
>> you know.
>> Absolutely.
>> And if there's something you can gain
from that or share with other people
with your audience, I sincerely
appreciate it.
>> Well, I appreciate that. Thank you,
John. There's a lot to this story.
There's a lot to unpack from not only
the encounter
Obviously,
that's probably the crux of all of this,
but even I think there's there might be
more to unpack with just the
repercussions and the aftermath of what
was caused by that encounter,
>> not just
>> um for you psychological ally speaking,
maybe medically speaking, but also for
those around you and so many more who've
tried to look into this case, which is
why I guess you've been so reluctant in
coming forward um after initially coming
out.
Why now? Why come out now? What's the uh
what's the impetus for for that? Well,
let me go back a little bit and explain
that in the beginning. [laughter]
Uh, way back in 1996 when I first came
out publicly, I did that with Art Bell.
Know what an Art Bell was at the time,
but I learned very quickly who he was
and what he did. And he had a very large
audience, 25 million close to. And for
way back then, I guess that was pretty
good number because that was previous to
the internet. It was right as the
internet was catching on. So, but I
learned that he was very um amicable and
and had a lot of uh
shall we say
background information on others that
have had similar situations and so that
he could he could empathize. he could
give me uh uh some some solace to talk
with him and we actually became friends
until his death and uh which is very
unfortunate. But what I wanted to say
regarding the background is the first 10
years of this from 96
you know on I talked to everybody. I did
every podcast. In fact, they didn't call
them podcasts then, but I did all that
kind of stuff. I even put myself on the
what I call the circus
where you're out in the public, you go
to the conferences, you know, and they
poke and prod you and get you to do all
these things. I knew that that needed to
be done. I knew that, you know, to to
set the stage, so to speak. But I got
very tired of it because I learned early
on that a lot of the people that are
involved in those kind of arenas aren't
there for the sincerity of the
information. They're there to make a
quick buck or they're there to draw the
crowd to the circus,
>> you know, and I didn't want to be part
of that circus. I just didn't really fit
into that. I was a medical doctor, you
know, I wasn't just standing around, you
know, waiting for a place to talk. And I
got tired really quickly of that. And I
I went through all of the negative that
it is associated with that. And
it it burns you out. It tires you out.
And I started to think, you know, what
is this about, you know? I mean, this
event
changed my life forever,
but why aren't people recognizing that?
Why aren't people seeing the the reality
to it? And there there were some there
were some who actually got on board and
wanted me to talk to them and and helped
me. for instance, um Wendell Stevens,
>> Bob Dean, uh Don Wear, uh even John Mack
all got together at one point and with
me. It was in Laughlin, Nevada, and
said, "We would like you to do a
textbook
case examination,
and this is what we want. this is what
we want to see because the the crowd is
getting little bits and pieces of this.
Um, but they wanted something more solid
and that made sense to me. And so that's
what we set out to do. So, one of their
people, Dan Makaveway Senior from
Delaware,
was a
longtime MUON associate investigator
and uh part of the J uh Heinik.
>> Yeah.
>> Part and and he was all involved with
that.
>> Kufos.
>> Yes. And so they said, "This will be our
point man. this is who's gonna, you
know, ride shotgun on you and go out and
talk to people. And I said, "Fine.
That's fine. As long as we keep the
dignity to the people we're talking
with, right?
>> Because I don't want them to be abused."
Because that already had happened early
on with other people.
>> So, he set out to do this investigation,
which I figured would take, you know, a
week or so. It took two years,
>> my goodness,
>> of him walking in my shoes. I mean, him
hardly ever going home. I mean,
literally sleeping where I slept for
months. So, he got to see a lot of the
things that nobody does see that he got
to see the coming going of Freddy the
alien. He got to see the use of the
artifact on my arm sitting this close to
each other with four other people in the
room. Two other people in the room,
excuse me. Who are those people?
>> Um,
they were
uh
appointed guardians of the device that I
appointed.
>> I see.
>> They were ex military
like green beret type. Uh Dan Makavoy is
a is a Green Beret also paratrooper
close small arms all kinds of things. Uh
but I had to trust them with keeping
this thing safe because early on uh
where I was staying was just ransacked.
You know, people would come in and just
destroy the place like 10 minutes after
I left to go eat breakfast. Um, and at
the time we were living in,
you know, old buildings, uh, old
businesses that was were kind of
derelch, but anyway we could we could go
to be safe where we could rig up
electricity and and some telephone lines
and stuff. I mean, most of it was
illegal, but that was how we had to do
it
>> and how you still kind of operate
>> and how I still do it, right? I mean,
I've got some guys who are so into
technology. I mean, I can barely do an
email, but these guys have been hired by
the FBI and CIA to work on their
intelligence stuff. And they've donated
their time to me for over 20 years.
>> Wow.
>> And won't take any money.
So, I mean,
>> you trust these people
>> with my life and they've proved it.
They've stood in front of bullets and
cars and everything else and pushed me
out of the way.
>> How many times have you been
>> 14 people since I became
public
are dead because they protected me
because they chose to be with me. And
you can ask any of my team members, you
know, and I mean, it's true. Yeah.
>> And I wear that every day. I have to I
have to realize that these people gave
their life up to me and I I can't ever,
you know, get past that. I mean, that's
just something that's a reality. I mean,
my parents were intimidated my elderly
parents so bad that they died within a
couple of months each other. And I know
it was because of this
>> from stress and
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. I mean, unbelievable stress. I
mean, not everything from calling on the
phone night and day, 24 hours a day to
burning effiges in their lawn. And these
people were in their late 70s.
>> Well,
>> um I I I can't stress enough.
I don't even like to talk about it.
>> Yeah.
how
how bad this had gotten in my life. I
mean, I never thought anybody would do
anything like this to people. I mean, I
I thought this just doesn't happen. You
know, maybe in a movie or a book or
something, but it does and is and it has
gone on for more than 25 years.
>> It's not something you ask for.
>> No. And
>> it's not something you deserve. And I've
tried my best
I've tried my best to
to not put myself in harm's way to
eliminate
everything I could. But I'm like a mole.
I mean, I live a nomadic life. I don't
have a home. I don't have a an address.
I mean, they've gone through everything
I have even saved
time after time after time.
And um you know death is death. It's
it's a real thing. It's not artificial.
And and people get hurt very seriously,
if not dead. You know, uh I've been,
you know, I've been shot three separate
times. I've been beat up probably eight
times, uh taken out, thrown in a van, uh
beat unconscious, filthful heroin, and
thrown out on the road. And I asked the
question, why?
Why does it have to be negative? Why
can't it be positive?
And and that's the question I've
continued to ask. Why is this
information have to be hidden? Why why
won't the government at least talk about
it? Well, they are now,
but I have my own views on that.
>> Yeah.
>> Which are very different. It's a drip
drip drip situation. And it's all being
controlled and you'll never have full
disclosure.
>> No, I agree with you.
>> Like this.
>> Not like this.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. That's something that they've um
you know, I do believe that the people
who are releasing this type of
information like they believe they're
doing a good thing. I I do believe like
they have good intentions. I just think
that they're being strung along by some
other person and it keeps going on until
you get to
>> I would I would agree with you. Uh what
I know is I mean before any of this
happened you you would say oh Jonathan's
a skeptic he doesn't believe in anything
really
>> and I was I didn't but I'll tell you in
30 years I've learned everything I could
learn
about other cases about other situations
other people
why this is going on my my own question
is why why does it have to be negative
>> because I would think in science as I
was a scientist more or less uh we would
want to know new discoveries we would
want to share them and and and use them
to benefit us.
>> What's your best guess as to why they
don't want to share that? What's your
best hypothesis on that
if you had to? Well, I know something
that I've never talked about
and
I will talk about it today.
Disclosure is never going to happen like
you and I would like it to.
And the reason is a broad there's a
broad amount of reasons, but the number
one is control. It's all about control.
You have to control the populace. If
you'd lose control of the populace, you
lost. And the government sees it that
way in every shape or form.
But there's a side to this that I've
learned because of my involvement with
this little alien I met that I call
Freddy.
I've had conversations with him about
probably everything
you could imagine
for ongoing 30 years.
He has told me things that I I'm not
even sure how to
how to address, how to understand
because a lot of it is very um
fragmented and I've tried to ask the
questions,
what does that mean? How does that apply
to me, to you, to our society? And it's
it's hard to get a
perfect answer on that.
But if somebody said like you have, do I
have an idea? I do have an idea that
I've never talked about.
And what that is
is that there are things that we don't
understand. We humans we do not
understand because we only know what
we've been able to learn in this box.
You know the box of of understanding.
Uh the way we look at science, the way
we look at physics in our world
is very compartmentalized
and it's not
it doesn't address the whole issue. The
whole issue is so vast that we're
probably looking at 1%
>> scientifically when there's 99% that we
have no idea how to deal with. Part of
that issue
if you boil it down has to do with
consciousness.
That our consciousness
that we have in our brain,
we think it's individual. We think it's
just us, for me, for you,
but it's a collective energy
and it's broadly
projected and amplified greatly away
from us. It's almost like another source
of energy. The other races of aliens are
very interested in that
>> for multiple reasons. one, it possibly
could be used as a weapon
because there are a lot of beings
that are out there that are not kind,
that are only warlike
and aggressive.
They aren't the little gray ones that
walk up to us and pat us on the head,
you know, and even some of them are
dangerous in our world.
human beings, races. We have multiple
races of human beings. Black, white,
green, yellow, red, but they're all
human beings. They all basically work
the same. Well, in the world of the
grays, we'll call them. They're
identified these little gray creatures
that have real big eyes and big heads
and little bodies. There's a whole bunch
of races of those. They're not all
gentle.
Now, Freddy is a gray. He doesn't look
exactly like the typical gray, but I've
never seen any photographs other than my
own.
>> And there's authentic and there's a
reason for that. And we can deal with
that. Now, first of all, Freddy can't be
photographed
when he's conscious.
All the pictures I have, I thought he
was dead. I laid him out. I took
pictures 35 millimeter. I took video. I
assumed he was dead because he wasn't
breathing. There was no pulse there.
Nothing that I could see. And then three
days later after I put him in my
freezer, he woke up and started
screaming at me. And I knew he wasn't
dead.
After that, during the last 25 years,
he's told me, "You can't photograph me
because of my technology.
We're not supposed to be visible to you.
We're not supposed to interact with you.
And people say, "Well, is that like the
prime directive, you know, with Star
Trek?" And more or less it is because
they supposedly
can't interfere with our normal
progress.
Now, have they? Yes, they have. We've
been interfered with a lot over the
centuries. This isn't a just a small
section of time. It's enormous. They've
been coming here forever.
And they have said to me, we have
tuned you up.
And I said, "What does that mean?" And
they explained that that's a DNA
enhancement.
They have changed our DNA over the
centuries, making us smarter, making us
able to comprehend more information,
but just little amounts at a little
time, not all at once.
>> What's what do you what do you surmise
is the sort of end goal to that? Where
do they want us to be like them? Do they
like what's what do you think about
that? I believe that it's a two-fold
situation.
And the first one I would reference is
they want to
continue their life. They don't want to
have their race extinguished. Part of
doing this is blending their DNA with
ours.
>> Like hybridization.
>> Yes.
>> Living here among us.
>> Living everywhere.
>> Wow.
Now, other details that you don't know,
Freddy is a hybrid.
>> He He's a hybrid.
>> Yes. Now, I had the fortunate or
unfortunate ability when I thought he
was dead, I took tissue samples and
blood samples and brain cell samples and
bone samples of him cuz he had a hole in
his head that big.
>> Yeah.
>> That I, you know, put in his head. And
I took that to somebody at the
University of Washington Medical Center
who was the head pathologist, somebody I
knew that I had associated with, just a
friend. And I said, "I've got this stuff
and I want to know what it is." Well,
where did you find? I found it in the
woods and I don't know what it is. And
that's all I told him. And he knew I was
a straight shooter and he said, "Okay,
I'll tell you whatever I find." And in
those days, DNA extraction and an
analysis took about a week because it
wasn't computerized at all. It was
hands-on, you know, chemistry.
>> Yeah.
>> And so that's what he did. And he called
me about a week later and said,
"Jonathan, I need to talk to you. Come
in if you can to the office." So I made
my way in
and he said, "Where did you get this?"
And I said, 'Well, I told you I found it
in the woods.' And he said, 'Well, I'm
going to tell you what I found, and then
I need to know if I can publish this.
And I said, "Okay." And he says, "Well,
first of all, I found 46 chromosomes,
same as you and I have, same as humans
have, 46 chromosomes." But he said nine
pair of them were not human
and I could only reference them
in close proximity to dolphin and sea
tortoise.
That's the closest I could find.
>> Nothing you'd find in the woods.
>> And then he said, you know, Jonathan,
we humans don't have the ability to
blend DNA.
We don't have that ability.
Now remember, this was back in 96
>> and only since have we recently come up
with something called crisper and a few
other things. But that still doesn't
blend it. That just identifies it and
lets them move some things, but it
doesn't blend. It doesn't create a
complete milkshake.
>> So what happened to this scientist, this
doctor that had these results? Well, he
said, "Here's all the paperwork. This is
what I've done. I want to run this test
again. I want to run some of the I still
have some of the samples." He said, "I
want to run it again, but I'd like to
publish this because it's a new specy.
It's brand new."
And this guy was a really accredited. I
mean, he was he had his
due diligence as a real s serious
professional. Would you be willing to
give up his name?
>> Yeah.
But I will tell you first that 3 days
after I met with him and he gave me this
stuff, somebody came into his office and
shot him in the head and killed him. And
then the person killed themsself
within 10 minutes. This is coming from
his secretary. a whole bunch of men came
in
that were like military and confiscated
all his files, his paper files, all his
computers and everything and said, you
know, this is part of the investigation.
Well, then 15 minutes later, the police
arrived.
These guys got there before the police.
They took everything out of his home
also. They just broke into his home and
took his wife's computers, his computer,
everything.
This guy's name is Roger Haggot. H A G G
E T MD.
You can find [clears throat] all of the
information that the newspapers printed
about his death, about him working at
the University of Washington. I mean, he
worked three floors below where I
worked.
So they killed him and they took
everything
and then they started intimidating andor
killing other people who worked in his
lab that helped to do this analysis.
There's only one of them left and he's
left the country
and and uh you know doesn't want to be
harassed at all and I don't blame him.
This is how far this has gone. This is
how serious
this has gone.
>> What year was that in?
>> What was it right around 2000?
>> So, you'd been you'd been holding on to
the DNA for several years. Oh, yeah. At
that point,
>> frozen.
>> Frozen.
>> Yeah.
I still have some things in hiding.
>> DNA.
>> I still have some things in hiding.
And
just like now, just like talking to you
about some of this,
>> yeah,
>> some of it needs to be known.
I believe the reason
disclosure is happening in a drip drip
drip form now is because they were
pushed to the brink, not because they
want to disclose,
>> forcing their hand. They're still only
giving us little tiny bits and pieces. I
mean, video from the front end of a jet
fighter. There's a spot of white light,
>> you know. I mean, I believe them. I
agree with them. I know what they're
trying to do, but I also know the dark
side of it. You know, they're not giving
us what I'm going to tell you. And what
I'm going to tell you is
there's an issue with giving disclosure.
And it's not disclosure of photographs
and videotapes of white spots. It's
disclosure of information
that if disclosure happens in the full
if we do give
if the government gives
and opens the door to the Pandora's box,
it probably never will be able to be
closed again. And that will change our
total concept of human life in an
instant.
We will become slaves to this. And I
don't know if that means actual slaves
or slaves to the idea of it.
>> Is that is that something you've been
told?
>> Yes.
>> By them?
>> By Freddy?
>> By Freddy.
>> Yes. And I verified that with his
superiors.
>> Wow.
>> Which are different than Freddy. really.
>> They're beings of energy, just pulsating
energy, like angels,
huge.
And I've stood in front of them and
they've
told me this and more. But what I mean
is,
and there's no
short way of saying this,
is if we allow them into our
consciousness
by creating a full disclosure,
if we humans allow that and they become
our conscious state,
we can never close that door again.
they will take over. They want really
they want our soul energy.
>> So
the government is
essentially not disclosing
because
>> because they know part of that to be
true.
>> It's almost for our own protection.
>> Yes.
>> Well,
that's a twist.
>> Not something we've heard of before.
Now, I'm not the only one saying this
because I've heard other people
reference
>> things about this.
>> I'm not the only one, okay? This isn't
just about me. It's about all of us.
>> All of us understanding that
we need to evolve. We humans need to
evolve.
>> And part of that is our consciousness
expanding that. Now, that doesn't mean
we're all going to become angels. It
probably just means we're going to
become more intelligent and and to be
able to deal with more complicated risk
in understanding about life. But it also
has a dark side. And the dark side is if
we let them in,
they're they'll take over because
they're far super they're million years
more advanced than we are. Okay? We have
no concept of that kind of reality.
>> And as soon as our consciousness opens
up to the idea of them being here, that
creates a tunnel.
>> That seems to be the tunnel that we
would be unlocking.
>> And then there's no stopping it.
>> No. Well, the only stopping it
would be if we were able to intimidate
them
to rid themselves of us.
But we are like cattle,
you know, or sheep who have very little
knowledge of what's on the other side of
that fence.
>> Yeah, I I agree.
>> And for somebody for somebody to give us
a little bit of advice and say you don't
want to go there,
you know, as much as we know, we just
know we don't want to go there.
>> But that sounds like somebody trying to
keep you away from the truth.
>> Well, there you go. That's the That's
the catch 22.
>> It's a catch 22 situation.
>> But I know that I didn't ask for these
kind of details. This is what I was
told.
>> It took me It took me a long time to
understand what he was trying to convey.
But once I did, I verified to him. And
this is a communication issue. I talk
with him. He tells me things. He I ask
him questions about what he's told me,
then he verifies that. So, it's an
ongoing,
you know, plus and minus scenario. And
then I did that with his superiors,
too. And they
assured me that it was correct.
>> Wow.
>> So, this is a much bigger issue than
just,
>> you know, lights in the sky or clear
photographs. This is a whole another
concept
>> that we've really not even begun to
consider.
>> And if there are people who have
considered it, and I believe there are
some, I believe that's why the
government is going drip drip drip.
>> And that's why they're trying to prevent
you from putting that information out.
>> I would assume that that's that's
another part of them.
>> Well, that might be a good reason.
>> Well,
>> but who am I to say? My my end sentence
would be there may be a very good reason
why we can't have disclosure.
>> I would agree with that. I think that
there is definitely there are things and
this makes sense to me what you're
saying but there are things that for
sure we don't have any concept of
>> right
>> and even having a concept of it might be
a you know a deterrent might be
something not good for us to have
>> I believe that's true you know like I
said it took me a couple of weeks to
really digest what I was being told and
then for me to turn it around so that I
could kind of begin to understand it cuz
it's it's complex. These people are very
complex. And I when I say people, I'm
talking about, you know, aliens.
>> Yeah.
>> I've I've known this little guy long
enough where I don't call him an alien
anymore. He's he's kind of a friend.
>> He's a person.
>> Um it's still unnerving to see him just
pop into your world and then leave
because that's what he does. Um, I'm not
the only one that's seen him. There's a
lot of other people that have witnessed
him clearly firsthand, you know, not
photographs, but right in their house.
And a bunch of those people have come
out and talked about it. Now, now the
negative people will say, "Oh, well,
we've never heard anything about that."
Well, if you look at my new documentary,
which everybody should see,
um there's a a guy in the beginning that
says that I told him early on, I said,
you know, there's a possibility that
once Freddy
knows I visited you,
he may show up in your house, in your
business, and he won't hurt you. He's
curious and he's timid, but you'll know.
And a lot of people have called me and
said, you know, you're right. You know,
and all I can say is not all of them are
bad. You know, they're they're as much
trying to figure out us as we try to
figure out them.
>> But they are from our extreme future.
Um, I tried to figure out if there's a
concept of why that is. And all I can
all I can estimate is there in some ways
they're trying to prevent
some obstacles that they've seen that we
have to get over and they don't want us
to to end. They don't want our
civilization to end. So they they're
trying to in some ways prevent us from
making some serious mistakes,
which unfortunately we do from time to
time.
>> That checks out with a lot of the
contact e cases as well. Um Okay.
>> But that's that's one thing
I haven't talked about with anybody.
>> Well, I appreciate you opening up about
that
>> and and but I think it's serious. I
think we need to understand how that
concept
Phil facilitates in our world.
>> Yeah.
>> And what it means because it doesn't
mean just unlocking the closet and
letting all the pictures out.
>> Sure.
>> It it has a whole another reference to
our whole civilization.
>> Yeah.
>> You know,
>> yeah. It's one of those things where,
you know, you hear about this in the
phenomenon specifically, but as soon as
you start observing them, then they
begin observing you almost as if you're
opening that door.
>> That's right. Yeah. That's that's
exactly true. I mean, I didn't say this
to you early on, but you know, I have a
few artifacts that are tangible,
that are real, like the metal cuff that
I call the link artifact. I've asked
them time and time again, "Please take
this back. Please take it from me. I
don't want the responsibility
to to have this because somebody's going
to steal it." Because they're constantly
trying to steal it. and they basically
don't answer that question when I say
please take it back. And I was told once
that
that it's a it's a good responsibility
to have this
>> but you don't know where it is. Is that
correct?
>> Physically today. Yes. I do not know
where it is.
>> It's been given to someone who's taken
care of it or who has given it to
somebody else or given it to somebody
else. And I don't know what that
combination is. But would, should you
want to retrieve it, you'd have access
to it?
>> I would say within 24 to 48 hours, I
could retrieve it.
>> So,
>> and I've done that before.
>> You've done that?
>> Yes.
>> And you have So, you have this artifact,
perhaps some other artifacts, DNA
perhaps. Um,
do you have some type of, and I'd assume
yes, but do you have some type of dead
man switch? And do you think that that's
something that's keeping you alive
today?
>> Well, the last time they killed
somebody,
I made a decision with it for myself and
that I was going to try to prevent that
from ever happening again, even if it
meant the end of my life. So, I set up
what you call a dead man switch or a
fail safe.
And I prove to
the dark government agents that harass
me that that in fact exists,
that it's tangible,
that I will drop one of them
in the lap of the media
with all the information I have, even if
it meant the demise of me.
and I proved to them that I would do
that because it was something they did
and since then they haven't pushed that
far.
>> So you have people around you that are
fully aware of this and how to activate
that switch should something happened to
you.
>> I have a group of guys who have followed
me for years that I call my team. They
call themselves team Reed. They're all
expatriots.
They're all caring
and they will shoot somebody before they
ask any questions. And they've had to do
that often.
They've taken people out.
>> Yes.
>> Yes.
>> Wow.
People that have come for you or them or
people that have just
>> Let me tell you a story.
>> Sure.
>> There was a car running after me and
another guy. We were out doing some
I don't know errands and this car kept
getting closer and closer and finally
bumped the back of our car which was a
SUV. And so we knew at that point these
are not good guys. So the driver and me,
I was the pastor took off trying to
escape, trying to get away from them.
And they kept
smashing into the back of our car.
And I said, "Just stop. Just pull over
and stop."
And he did. They hit our car, flipped it
over upside down. Um I I got hurt and
the driver
dead was dead.
I didn't know at the time that they had
shot us
with a rifle and they killed the driver
and my head was, you know, messed up. I
figure some metal and stuff hit my head
and later it was figured out that I had
been shot too
>> in the head.
>> Yes. There's photographs of it. There's
testimonials of going to the hospital,
everything.
But I was so angry that I got out and
I've never told this story.
I got out and one of their guys was in
front of their car. I got in their car
and drove over him and then backed up
and drove over him again.
And I was insane at the time
because my friend was dead. They just
killed my friend. I saw it. I was, you
know, 3 ft away from him.
And this stuff makes you crazy.
Okay. I can only hold back so much and
and let it go.
And I let go a lot.
But I'd had enough. I didn't care
anymore.
And I wanted these people dead. One guy
just took off running. We never caught
him.
But you know, uh, rage takes over. You
know, adrenaline takes over. And people
say, "Well, how are you able to do
this?" Or, "How did you do?" I don't
know.
I was just crazy.
You know, when I hit Freddy in the
forest, in the woods the first time,
[snorts]
I didn't think about it. I was I had
this branch, this six- foot long branch
that I'd picked up on the on the trail
right there to untangle my dog Susie
from like another wild animal. That's
what I thought she was involved with.
But when I jumped down and I was face to
face, what was going on?
I saw her body being torn apart.
I mean, from the jaw. Her head ripped
right out of her backbone.
Blood everywhere
on me everywhere.
And I just went crazy.
I didn't think about it. I didn't plan
it. I just took this thing and hit him
as hard as I could, trying to stop the
action. Even thinking, "Susie, Susie,
let go." And she was already gone.
My mind couldn't handle it.
And and
you know, people say, "Oh, well, this
was so courageous." It was not
courageous. It was insanity. It was rage
that took over.
This is what I've had to deal with. And
it's and it it waxes and waines. You
know, for a while there'll be nothing.
Then all of a sudden I can't go anywhere
and there's people following me in a car
chasing me down, you know, and pointing
their finger, you know.
>> You need to stop.
>> Yeah.
How old was Susie?
>> Seven years old. Golden retriever.
>> Yeah.
>> Great dog. Went everywhere with me. I
mean the kids loved her that I my
patients dealt I mean she would free
rain in the hospital she'd get on the
elevator go down somebody bring her back
up you know and I mean great dog
absolutely smart as a whip smarter than
me around in the forest.
>> Yeah. Oh yeah. Well, the forest was a
different scenario because I lived in
the city and you can't really let your
dog run in the city
>> off the leash and you shouldn't. But so
we'd go to the forest and there were a
couple of places I like to go and we'd
been there a bunch of times. Wasn't new
is old. we knew where we were and you
could let her go and she'd run, you
know, 100 yards and then she'd come back
and and if I told her I like one day I
we were walking and there was a deer uh
with with her baby walking, you know,
300 feet in front of us and I said,
"Susie," and she stopped instantly and
wouldn't move until I told her to come
back. But she she knew. She knew. And
she was an orphan to me. She just ended
up on my front porch when she was just a
puppy. You know, I didn't teach her all
this stuff.
>> It wasn't. And do you think if it wasn't
for Suzy,
you'd never have run into Freddy?
>> No. So maybe
I know this. People say, "Well, how do
you think this happened?" I don't know
because it's it wasn't firsthand
information. It's been secondhand
information from Freddy and from other
people. You know, I've gone around the
world three times with this story
talking to people who have had other
>> events happen to them.
I have concluded
that Susie was protecting me.
Something in the scenario Freddy Susie
saw as a enemy.
>> That's right.
>> Yeah. A threat. And she was protecting
me from that. And probably as it went on
very quickly escalating, then she knew
for sure it was a threat. And her whole
issue of being involved the way she was.
She was not an aggressive attack dog.
You know, she wasn't a Doberman or, you
know, she was a lovely soul, I would
say, that loved everything. I mean, if
somebody retrievers are usually,
>> if somebody broke into my house, she'd
probably help them,
>> you know, find this stuff, you know.
>> But nevertheless,
this is the scenario. I was dealt with.
I was handed. And as I jumped into that
scene, she was being thrown back and
forth and back and forth so fast that
all I could see was this blur of her
body. I c you can't imagine how fast
this thing was throwing her back and
forth with one hand.
>> You can't even act out how fast or was
it?
>> I can't move that fast.
>> You know how fast a paint shaker moves?
You know what a paint shaker is in the
hardware store?
>> And that's what you were looking at.
Yes,
that's what I was looking at. And then
it stopped for a second, just for a
second. And he turned his head and
looked at me with this terrible look.
And then it all started again. So that's
what I jumped down to see. And then all
of a sudden, Suzy on the end of his arm,
I thought he had her like by the throat,
part of his suit, which was black,
developed an appendage that came up over
the top of her head and grabbed the
snout of Susie and tore it apart like it
was another arm.
So, it was the suit,
>> the technology of the suit. Now whether
Freddy had control over that, I don't
know, but I know that's what eventually
killed her, that action. And then her
body hanging in the air stopped for a
second. A hole opened up in her chest
like a drain. And all of her fur started
go to go into that hole, inside out into
that, and then disappeared and then went
poof. And it was a big pile of white ash
on the ground. That was it. And that all
happened within a couple of seconds. I
mean, people think I had time to do
something, but time I jumped down and
she was gone was under 10 seconds.
>> And that at that point when all this
happened, poof, she's in ash is at that
point that you
>> that I just screamed and crashed through
and hit him just like that. I mean, I
almost missed him because just I'm just
not an athlete.
>> You might have been in the same
situation Susie was.
>> Well, that's what was going through my
mind was that it's killing her. It'll
kill me. I'm here. I got to do
something. You know, tried to call her
off thinking she had grabbed his arm,
but by the time I said that, she was
gone.
And so I know that after this happened,
you were in a sort of suppressed state.
It would seem almost like paralyzed.
>> Oh no. Oh no. I was crippled with
sickness
>> and and
>> he fell to the ground as I hit him
>> and then I instantly fell to the ground
throwing up, gasping for breath, feeling
like I was having a heart attack. No
muscle control in my legs or my arms at
all. Completely released my bowels, my
urine, everything was just I was a mess.
[laughter and gasps]
Focus.
[panting]
[gasps]
[laughter]
[gasps]
I couldn't move. I didn't know what had
happened. I mean, I hit that, but I'm
feeling all this pain. That didn't make
any sense to me. But yet, I couldn't
catch my breath. I could not get enough
air to calm myself down. I laid there
face to face, three feet away for over
40 minutes, 40 to 45 minutes, because I
couldn't move. I couldn't even push
away.
>> Do you think that was
due to either the technology, the suit,
the being, or do you think that was your
own trauma? Or was it a mix of both?
I'll be honest with you. Do I think I
had trauma? Oh, yeah. Did I have trauma
from the event of Freddy and seeing him
kill my dog? Yes, I had lots of trauma.
Do I think I went into shock a little
bit? Uh, do I think the physical
ailments of my body were caused by this
shock? No.
>> Okay.
>> No.
They were so
evident and so persistent. I thought I
was going to die on the ground 40
minutes before I even could move. I
thought it was like radiation poisoning.
That's what everything I had ever read
about somebody having this kind of
crippling sickness where all of your
insides just relax. Just expose just
just let go. That's the best analogy I
could find of what this felt like. And
this went on, like I said, for 45
minutes till finally I was able to crawl
three or four feet and then stop because
I was exhausted. I couldn't breathe. It
was like there was no air getting in my
lungs. And I know what that's like. I'm
asthmatic. I dealt with that as a kid.
But this is the worst scenario that you
could ever imagine.
>> You know, I spoke to Mario Woods. I
don't know if you're familiar with
Mario. He used to used to be a police uh
security police officer in the Air Force
and he guarded uh he was at Ellsworth
Air Force Base in the mid70s and he
guarded one of the silos where they had
these ICBMs and this massive what he
describes like a Walmart sized orb was
there and just hanging there and him and
his partner were kind of frozen locked
in and he describes kind of the same
symptoms. He's like the air he's like I
couldn't breathe. I was gasping. I was
frozen. I couldn't move and it was
terrifying and he was just begging in
his mind for air,
>> right?
>> And that's when it kind of like let go.
>> And it it's at that moment that he
turned his head and he saw the beings
come towards him and then he passed out.
>> Um,
>> was there ever a smell also associated
with this? And what was that smell like?
Could you describe it? Well, when I
jumped down,
you know, about six feet from where I
was on the path where I couldn't see
Susie to where I jumped down through the
brush and there I was face to face with
what was going on, I smelled this odor.
And the best analogy I can give you is
it smelled like rotting fruit or rotting
meat, something rotting. Definitely
>> very pungent, very putrid. Uh but almost
a little bit of a sweet smell which is
that rotting
>> like ammonia or
>> No, no, it's different than that. Um
>> like Yeah. Okay. Like a because usually
when things when there is like some type
of infection or some type of rot, it
usually causes sweeter. During my
internship,
you know, I had dealt with people in the
emergency rooms and I had seen almost
everything come in and I'd seen, you
know, people who were
derelct and didn't have any kind of
health iss or
>> health uh
>> clean issues. Sure. and and you know I
had smelled kind of that smell before or
if somebody had a wound that had never
been dealt with it smells a certain way.
It's very hard to express explain.
>> And do you think that was caused by uh
the opening of the skull from the being?
No. No,
>> I think that's
>> just how it is.
>> His smell. Because everything ever since
when he arrives to
>> materialize in your house,
>> you smell it.
>> You smell it ahead of time before he
materializes within a minute before. And
it's unmistakable what it is. I mean,
it's his calling card, I call it, but as
a joke,
>> but you hear, you smell it, and then
>> it's always there. Well, how how how
long do you smell it? Right before or is
it a minute? Within minutes? Within a
minute.
>> Oh my gosh.
>> Now, let me explain again. I said I've
taken this story around the world
several times, talked with hundreds and
hundreds of people, and people who I
know are in the know. In other words,
they're not they're not bullshitting me.
They'll say, "Oh, I know that smell."
And it possibly comes from, this is
interesting, if you take and put your
body or a human body or
some kind of flesh in and out of a
magnetic field, a high magnetic field,
it will cause an odor to start with. And
if you do it enough, it'll cause this
pungent death smell
>> really. So therefore other people have
told me this sounds like what you were
smelling now. Meaning that he when he
materializes
from his dimension to our dimension,
this is causing his flesh
to be stressed to the point where it's
causing a problem and leaving this
smell.
>> Wow,
>> that's interesting. It's a symptom of
their traveling between dimensions.
>> Right now,
keep that thought. When I have gone with
him, when he's taken me from my house,
which he has with and without the
artifact,
when I return, sometimes I smell too.
>> Your not as bad, but I've smelt my arm
and I could smell it.
Yeah. So it has something to do with
going between dimension or going through
this huge magnetic field.
>> Wow. Okay. So you're s I mean you're
lying there face to face with this
thing. I can't even imagine
>> can't move 45 minutes
realizing that I you know I have soiled
myself beyond belief.
>> Yeah.
>> And that's one I mean think about that.
Think how you'd feel just that happening
instantly and then not being able to
breathe. Feeling like somebody's
standing on my back. I mean, I was face
down and I couldn't do this. I couldn't
push up because my arms just had no
strength to them for like 45 minutes.
And then finally, I was able to push
away and kind of crawl a little bit and
push away as it was getting easier.
Not the breathing part, but just my
body. I moved away from him and then I
heard a sound coming through the forest.
It was this low ebbing harmonic tone. As
low as you could possibly imagine, maybe
not even audible
that the harmonic was so low. I could
feel it in my body. I I could feel it. I
could feel it making my body. And I
thought my in my mind I thought it's
it's a hiker. Somebody's got a boom box
and they're walking their dog or
something, you know, and I need help,
you know. So I crawled up next to a
tree, kind of crawled up, fell down,
ripped my shirt.
There was nobody, but this sound was
there. It was coming from somewhere. And
I looked around best I could and I saw
through this little grove of trees and I
I say they were like six, eight feet
high, fern, a evergreen tree. There were
probably
five of them between me and this thing
that was about 75 ft away.
And it was a black
floating
marquee diamond laying on its side that
was 10 to 12 feet long, 2 and 1/2 ft
high, and about 3 and 1/2 ft wide. I
stumbled, fell, stumbled, fell going
toward this thing, and it's in a valley.
It was kind of in a little valley, you
know, like a 4-foot valley of ferns. The
ferns were all even, but the ground
wasn't. So, when I got up to it, I
actually slipped and fell underneath it
and put my hand on it to stop myself
from falling.
And I burned the entire
pad off my hand just like I was putting
it on dry ice. It was so cold. It just
pulled the skin right off my hand. And I
got up and I stood there and I pushed
it. And for a second, for a brief, brief
second, I felt like I'm inside of
something. I'm inside of something. A
big black dark room like an airplane
hanger. And way off in the distance, I
could see little lights. And I thought,
it's either an airplane hanger or I'm
outside looking across water at the
other side where their lights are. I
don't know. And I was back outside.
I mean, just like that.
Now,
for years, I've talked about this. And
other people have said, "Oh, well, I
know what it is. This happened to me,
too."
He said, he said, "They thought you were
the alien because you were the only
thing moving
and they were like taking care of him.
This machine was taking care of watching
for movement or breathing or whatever
they were looking for. You were the only
thing moving around and you touched it
and they sucked you in and then they
realized wrong guy. They threw me out.
Okay. Now that's what I was told. That's
not what I
>> Yeah.
>> remember. Okay.
>> You just knew the feeling of
>> But it's possible. It's possible.
>> Yeah. The shape is really interesting to
this thing as well. Like when you see it
on video, it does appear a lot smaller
than like 12 feet though, but that might
just be because the brush and
>> Okay, let me know. Let me tell you how
we determined it was 12 ft.
>> Sure.
My team composed of, you know, all these
expatriots and other people who are
really smart, especially in geometry and
tech stuff
said, "Oh, we can figure out exactly how
big it is. You have pictures, beautiful
pictures." He says, "You stood in that
alley in that exact space and they took
a picture of you." Well, we'll just take
the height of you and turn it sideways.
and put it up next to the other picture.
>> Yeah.
>> So, it was between 10 and 12 feet long.
>> Twice as long as you were
>> and 2 and 1/2 ft high and three and a
half ft wide.
>> So, and you know that's the shape.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I had my measurements wrong.
>> That's okay. It's all right.
>> We'll fix it. We'll fix it in post.
[laughter]
>> It's okay. But but that's how I figured
this stuff out. It's not cuz I was told
by Freddy
>> Yeah.
>> or anything. He gives me no information
about his technology.
>> Reverse engineered it based on the
images that he had.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> Okay.
You had cuz Okay. This was so you you
you had your camera on you. You had your
film camera.
>> I had two cameras with me in my pack.
>> So you had a 35 millimeter
>> I had a 35mm Nikon camera. Great fast
lens. Really fast lens.
>> What brand? What what uh type of Nikon
do you remember?
>> Um yeah, it's a
>> an EM.
>> Yeah, it was the one that it was the
first one that they had the shutter was
electrically controlled to the light
condition,
>> right? Okay.
>> And then you could turn that off, but
>> yeah, it was the first one of those
kind.
>> Very cool.
>> Yeah, I was an amateur photographer
forever, so I mean I pretty much knew
that stuff, you know, and people say,
"Well, how could you stand, you know,
when you were going crazy in the woods?
How could you stand so still? I didn't.
>> I didn't. I laid down on the ground. I
put my arms on the ground with my camera
like this, pushing it against my
forehead, and that acted as a tripod
that stabilizes it long enough. The
shutter speed was between uh a quarter
of a second and a half a second. Tree
canopy was really dense.
>> Yes. A lot of light.
>> So, it was blocking a lot of light. And
it was in the afternoon, you know, at
that time it was like 3:00.
I had a watch on, mechanical watch,
which stopped
>> at 253.
I mean, just welded itself. Stopped.
>> Do you still have that watch?
>> Uh-huh.
>> Is it still at 253?
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. I even took it to a a
jeweler and they opened the back and
they said, "Well, it's just kind of like
it's melted on the inside, not on the
outside. on the inside
some of the gears.
>> Weird.
>> Yeah.
>> So, at this point, you've been laying
down. You you you get myself up. I I try
to crawl away, get up, fall down, get
up, fall down. Walk over to where this
thing was making this sound. Once I
touched it, the sound changed. The sound
became more
comforting,
less low, deep resonance
because I could actually feel it inside
me. It was irritating
and I've never felt anything like that
before, but it was uh bizarre,
but nevertheless, I was in a bizarre
mode. uh got up, fell down, touched this
thing, pulled the ferns out from under
it with a another stick that was laying
there on the ground so that I could
maybe take pictures of it. And and also
I wanted to know
there's nothing here and it's this high
off the ground.
>> Yeah. You want to make sure
>> and my mind is going now my mind is is
just going
why how how is this happening? How is
this?
You know, all my paradigm was gone as
far as my reality goes. As far as
thinking this is must be this, this must
be this. I couldn't figure it out, which
is extremely disturbing.
Uh, you know, you can't logically
rationalize it out. And and that just is
a crippling thing in itself. Um, so I'm
still having hard time breathing. I
think I got to drink some water. There's
water in my pack. I had a canteen. Okay,
I know where my pack is. It's right six
feet up from where the body was. I
crawled there, tried not to look,
crawled up, sat there with my pack, took
my cameras out of my pack first because
they were on top. got to the water,
drank the water, and I'm looking at the
cameras thinking
my cameras.
I know how to work those. That makes
sense. That gives me some comfort
because I know how to do that. So, I
thought, okay, I could take I could take
a picture of this this thing, this black
thing. I could do that, you know. And
so, that was my methodology was it felt
good. It felt comforting. It wasn't like
a brilliant stroke. It was just reality.
>> Yeah. Something to ground you.
>> Exactly. Exactly. A lot of people don't
understand that.
>> Yeah. You just want you want to hold on
to reality at some point,
>> right? And when I got done taking the
roll of film,
I crawled back to where my pack was, put
the camera down, and picked up the
little video recorder,
which was also Nikon, but it was a Nikon
Sony rebranded
8 millimeter, tiny, small, had a 1 inch
black and white viewfinder.
black and white, not the big thing you
fold out, you know, but one inch. And so
I'm breathing so hard I can't even look
through that thing. So I'm holding it
like waist level running, you know,
trying not to fall down, trying not to,
you know, and it's on and I mean, you
can even hear me saying, you know, is it
in there? Is it, you know, I don't know
if it's there? Where is it? You know,
I'm just talking to myself.
>> Yeah. Here you said like, come on. Come
on. And
>> right cuz it would distort. I could hear
it distort,
>> you know, and the little viewfinder
which would bend up. So it was up like
this. I could kind of look down in the
top of it like a hassablad and I could
see it was distorting you know and I'm
going come on you know like not now.
>> Yeah.
>> And and that was my frustration. plus
trying to breathe, trying to stabilize
myself, all these things at once. And
trying to say to myself,
this can't go on. This can't, you know,
it just can't be prolonged. I'm not
going to be able I was worried that I
was going to black out because I was
breathing so hard,
>> right?
>> And I didn't want to do that. I I don't
think I ever did. I don't think I ever
actually blacked out because of the, you
know, epoxia. But you were getting you
were getting sick as well still.
>> Oh, constantly. Constantly. I threw up
for a couple hours to the point where
there was just blood and saliva coming
out. And I knew I was dehydrated because
everything had exploded and I knew I had
to get out of there. Now, people say,
"Well, did you still smell Freddy?"
Well, you know what? I smelled myself,
you know, at that point. I mean, I'm
covered, you know, and
I thought, I'll cover this body up. I'll
take the thermal blanket, which is also
in my pack right here. I'll take this,
I'll put it over it, and I'll lay the
branch on it or I'll lay logs on it or
something or rocks. So, that was my
thought. My thought was, you know,
recognizing what I could do. I only had
a pocketk knife, some dog food, a couple
of snack bars, water, and my cameras.
That's basically all I had. I mean, I
expected to be gone for two hours, you
know, and hours had gone by, laying
there breathing, doing this, not being
able to to calm my breathing down. And I
was constantly saying that to myself.
Now, you've got to calm down. You've got
to make your breathing slow down. I
mean,
but I couldn't get enough air in. It
>> was uncontrollable.
>> Yeah. Oh, it was totally, you know, and
and but but I was working on it. I was
thinking it through. My methodology was
you got to slow your breathing down. So
I was conscious enough to know that and
to know that something had happened that
made me this way and that even my
proximity to the body didn't change
anything. Even when I was 100 feet away,
it was still just as bad. So it whatever
hit me stayed in me and made me this
way.
>> It didn't have anything to do with Yeah.
your proximity.
>> Right. Right. And uh the only thing
about proximity that when I was using
the video camera, I knew the closer that
I got to the obelisk, the black thing,
the more it would distort in the
viewfinder. And it that made me mad, of
course, but then I got farther away and
took some very very clear shots of it
like in this valley. And at that point,
I'm 100t away.
>> Did you do you still have the negatives?
>> I have some. You have some negatives.
>> Yes.
>> From your 35 mil?
>> Yes.
>> And do you still have the original tape?
>> No.
>> Okay. That's been confiscated.
>> Yes. Stolen.
>> But the the negatives are in are in a
safe place.
>> I have some of them. Yes, I have some of
them.
>> H how come you have some of them? What
happened to the other negatives? because
we separated all of the evidence we had
and put it in different lots and I
mailed some to away to Canada friend I
had in Canada early on just because we
knew we're going to lose it all.
>> Yeah.
>> Because our houses had been torn apart.
And then some other things had happened
which was really weird. They broke into
my parents' house but they didn't steal
anything but they left some things.
They left an empty bottle of like beer
right in the middle of their dining room
table
>> like like almost there.
>> Well, we were here.
>> That's it.
>> You know, we were here and we didn't
[ __ ] up your house.
>> Yeah.
>> That they did to mine.
>> But a lot of our evidence had been
stolen. I mean, 75% of it had been so
stolen over the first 10 years.
>> Yeah. you know, and now I've got it
buried like I have the artifact
away from me totally where I have no
idea where it is.
>> Maybe safer that way.
>> Oh, absolutely.
>> So, you you have the thermal blanket,
you're putting it over this body and
then you have did you in that moment
just suddenly realize I should take this
with me? Like what was the thought
process?
>> My thought was cover it up and keep it
from the animals. keep it from the
animals to eat it,
>> right?
>> I mean, bears, wild cats, mountain
lions,
>> critters,
>> a lot of critters. This is high up. This
isn't in a park,
>> you know. This is the wilderness. And
so, that was my first thought.
>> Was your thought, I'm going to come back
for this?
>> Yes. Right. I'm going to come back with
somebody who can help me with somebody
who I think what went through my mind
was somebody will know more than I know
>> because I don't know what this is you
know and my mind didn't want to go to
alien it didn't want to go anywhere
around that it wanted to go this is this
is a living being but it's not human
it's not humanlook is it is it a
deformed human. I mean, that's where my
mind was going. And from moment to
moment, I never thought alien until my
friend Gary said, "Oh, well, I know what
this is." You know, and and I I said,
"Oh, thank you."
>> Yeah.
>> I said, "I don't want to know." Because
he was going to put a name on it, and I
didn't want to get that close. I didn't
want it to become
>> Yeah.
>> You know,
>> a real thing.
>> Yeah. I don't know how to answer that
because people say, "Well, what do you
mean you didn't want it to be real?
You'd gone through all this stuff." I
said, "I just didn't want to identify it
that way. I didn't want to be like a
close friend to it." Okay. Which is
ironic because it's kind of become that.
>> Yeah.
>> It's people say, "Well, you know, now
you have this little friend." I said,
"No, it's not a friend.
It's still foreign. It's still not
human. And I mean, now I know it's
really not human. And it has abilities
that are far beyond our capability as
far as telepathy goes. I mean, he could
take things out of my head and replay
them in my mind that happened when I was
5 years old. He could extract my whole
memory
and look at it and then decide what he
wanted to throw back at me. When you
receive those
uh images or those projections in your
mind,
>> how do you distinguish them from your
own mind creating them? What's like the
distinct factor, the defining factor
that makes you think this isn't me? This
isn't my imagination. This is
>> because they're better.
>> They're like clearer.
>> They're clearer. They're sharper. I can
smell the grass on the ground, laying in
the grass as a little kid, you know,
picking like dandelions. I can smell it
and it's so vibrant. It's like being,
you know, uh just that's being extracted
and and put in my mind what that smells
like.
>> Does this happen during waking states?
>> Oh, yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Just like we're here
>> and all of a sudden
>> and just boom, it's there.
>> Really?
>> Yeah. I had to get him to slow down
>> of putting things in my head because it
was like a fire hose. I couldn't I
couldn't decipher it. It was too fast,
too. Yeah. Just overload. And I finally
said, "No, slow down. Slow down. Slow."
And then he got it. He understood
>> and he started doing it really slow.
So miraculous, amazing, astonishing.
>> Yeah. But as much as I didn't want to
believe it, I didn't want to admit to
myself this was really happening for a
couple of years.
It still continued.
>> The dissociation was an important part
of keeping your sanity.
>> Yeah. At that point,
>> right? Right. Or insanity. Sure.
Depending on how you want to look at it.
And people say, "Oh, well, you know,
where was Gary all this time?" Well,
Gary and I had separated. We had left,
gone two different places, knowing that
we were being beat up and thrown off the
road and, you know, harassed. And both
of us decided one night toward the end,
okay, I'm leaving. Where you go? Don't
tell me where you're going. Just go and
you know how to get to me if you need
to. We had a failafe thing.
>> Gary was the first person you told.
Gary was the first person I told who I
explained what had happened who had seen
>> Yeah.
>> who had seen Freddy, right? And it blew
his mind.
>> He was there when you Well, let's not
jump there. Let's get first I want to I
want to get into where your mind is at
when you
>> I wish I knew.
It's I mean you're you you do such a
great job of painting a vivid picture of
this and it really is bringing me there
and and I kind of want to understand. So
>> so I decide to cover the body up.
>> Yeah.
>> And and it wasn't because, you know, I
want to take it home. It was because I
didn't want anything to get to it
because I I know critters in the woods.
I know what they do. I'd done a lot of
hiking, a lot of camping all my life and
and I know what h if you leave, you
know, a banana out, somebody's going to
eat it. And especially if something has
a wound in it and there's blood
everywhere smell.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I didn't know if the
smell was attractive to other things or
repundant, you know. Anyway, uh I
couldn't find anything to put on the
blanket like rocks. There were like
rocks this big, but the ones that were
bigger were connected into the ground. I
mean, this is right at the tree line.
You know, this was 5,000 ft. Um,
so my thought was, if I can't do that,
the blanket isn't doing any good. So, I
thought, well, maybe I can put a branch,
some branches on it. Well, there weren't
any enough loose branches. And so I
thought, okay, well, I'll I'll just
cover it up. And to cover it up instead
of just laying it like a blanket, which
wouldn't do anything. Myar's very thin.
You know, wind would blow, it'd be gone.
Um,
my thought was
put it underneath the body just, you
know, and I didn't want to touch it. I
did not want to touch the body. I didn't
want to get it on me. I didn't want to,
you know, I knew enough not to do that.
And so I put the blanket in over my
hands and slid it underneath this body.
And as I'm doing that,
it's I mean, it's also covered up, so
I'm not, you know, two inches from it.
I'm moving it and I realize
this thing is incredibly light.
I mean, how it's, you know, it's 53 in
high. And at the time, I didn't know
that, but later I measured, but you
know, it's this high and it's got a head
this big. I said that it can't be this
light. It cannot be. So, anyway, I'm
pushing it.
>> How light? You said like 30 lbs.
>> Like 30 lbs.
>> Yeah. And the only thing in my mind I
mean my mind is reeling from one thing
to another thinking how can this be you
know etc etc I'm thinking okay birds
have hollow bones most birds have hollow
bones that's one of the reasons they can
fly and I'm thinking maybe this thing
has hollow bones I mean it it it broke
his skull when I hit him but I didn't
know how hard I'd hit him because I I
you know I couldn't Yeah,
>> in the moment, you know, I wasn't
thinking about that. I was thinking
about not dying
and cuz I figured it would attack me.
But anyway, I I roll it up inside this
thermal blanket. And I mean, a lot of
people say, "Well, what what do you mean
you rolled it?" I said, "Like a sleeping
bag." Like you roll a sleeping bag up or
a burrito, you know? And
that's what I did. I rolled it up and I
thought, "Okay, there it is." And I
think, "Oh, my pack has straps on it.
I could take those off and I could tie
it around it, you know, keeping it
closed, keeping it, you know, and and I
think my whole methodology was I didn't
want to see it.
>> Yeah.
>> I want that was the biggest thing. I can
wrap it up, tie it up. I don't have to
see it. It's because it's contained. And
when I did that, when I put the straps
around it, I had to move it. And I moved
it. And I thought, "This thing is
amazingly light. I can carry this."
So, I thought, "Okay, I'll carry it in
one hand and carry my pack and cameras
in the other." And they felt almost the
same. They weren't, but they, you know,
it was kind of like stabilization. And I
thought, I'll just walk to where I can
find a place to put this, you know,
behind bushes or stones or whatever.
I'll I'll find a place. Now, it had
taken an hour for me walking with Susie
from where I parked my Jeep to where the
event happened. Okay,
>> it's pretty deep in the woods.
>> So, well, it's it's the forest, man.
It's I can't tell you enough. Um
anyway, so I figured it's going to take
me an hour and it's going to start
getting dark. I knew that. That was a
big thing. And so
I'm walking and all of a sudden, just
like that,
I'm back at my Jeep.
I don't know how that happened. I have
no recognition of the time. I know I
looked around a little bit. I threw up a
couple times and I'd pick it back up and
I'd start walking farther.
I don't know where that time went. I
don't know how that happened. I have no
idea.
>> Did you notice the missing time during
the event or was that something just
>> not until I got back to my Jeep
>> and then you were like, "Whoa, that
seems like
>> how'd that happen?" You know, and my
Jeep was the only one in that area. When
we had come driven up, there were a
couple other cars. Some people were
getting into their car and leaving, but
that was it. It was late in the season.
I knew there wouldn't probably be a lot
of people around. Um
anyway, I realized I'm back. So, I
unlocked the back of my Jeep,
lifted it up, and thought, "Okay, I'm
just going to put this inside." And so I
lifted up, put it inside, closed the
door, and walked around to the driver's
car, got in and just sat there
breathing, trying to slow my breathing.
I was still gasping for breath, but less
and sat there. And then I realized
Susie's not here. Susie's not sitting in
the passenger seat where she always was.
And that was like the first recognition
of realizing
Suz's gone.
And I I know I got sad for a minute and
I looked in the the rearview mirror and
I could see the top of the gold silver
blanket and I knew something had
happened. Something really was real. And
I started the car and I drove out of
that area, stopped a couple times, got
out, threw up, got back in, drove
further. And I remembered on this route
back to the highway, there's an exit
that says Ranger Station.
And I thought, Ranger Station, I got to
go there. I got to go there. And I So I
drove there to the Ranger Station,
parked. I'm all excited. Went up to the
door, banged on the door. Nobody was
there. Nobody. Not a sign, not a sign
that said we're gone. Nothing. There was
nobody there.
So, I got back in,
breathed for a while, and drove home,
you know, which took about 50 minutes on
the highway. Now, people say, "Well, why
didn't you go to the police? Why didn't
you do this?" You because I didn't think
about that. I thought about getting away
from this turmoil that's going on with
me. And I thought, "Home sounds good.
Home sounds
>> like salvation."
And
>> safety.
>> Yeah. And I I just drove in the carport.
I sat there for a few minutes thinking,
"What am I going to do with this? Where
am I going to put it?" Because I could
see it in the rearview mirror. And and
like I said, I'm in the carport right
next to my garage, which is an out
building from my house. And I thought,
I don't know. And I I'm telling you
exactly what happened. I got out of the
car. I closed the door, went into the
yard, went to my house, went to my
inside my house, stood in front of the
sink, drinking as much water as I could,
gasping for breath, and I thought, I
can't leave it in the car. I can't leave
it in the car. If somebody stole it, you
know, that'd be a surprise. Um,
but I can't leave it in the car. So, I
walked back down my stairs, you know,
back out of the house, crossed the yard,
opened the gate, went to the car,
unlocked the back, picked it up, and
said, "I'm just going to put it in the
garage. I'm going to put it in the
garage." That's the only thoughts I had.
I mean, it was like one at a time.
>> Yeah. Nothing too crazy,
>> right? And I'm So, I opened the inside
door of the garage, not the big door,
but the inside door. And soon as I
opened the door, right across the the
floor is this old freezer that I had. So
it's staring me in the face. And I
thought,
okay, this is meat. It's going to, you
know, decompose.
So that's a good place. Out of sight,
working. It was working. Old freezer
somebody had given to me. Not the full
eight foot one, but it was about a half
size. Pretty much what's in the in the
documentary. Yeah.
>> You know, Contact in the Woods.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, I was never interested in
lights in the sky or UFOs. I mean, I
remember, you know, when we went to the
moon, I remember all of those things and
that was cool. It was interesting, but
it wasn't, you know, captivating to me.
I mean, it didn't make me want to become
an astronaut, you know.
Um, and I don't know why I don't know
why I wasn't more interested in some of
these things, but it I I can't lie about
it and say I was because I wasn't, you
know, and people say, well, you know,
you you should know such and such person
and their case and that. And I said, you
know what, I'm only an authority on my
case.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, if you ask me, does it compare
to, you know, Mr. Smith or Mr. Jones?
And I I can't truly tell you that unless
they're sitting here and we can talk
about it.
>> Is there that being said, is there a
case that you've come across because I
know you know you you've befriended H
Highoon Sun. You've uh you've had a lot
of friends within this circle, but is
there a case that to you stands out as
one that you can deem more authentic
just even by feeling? Well,
I can mention somebody that you
obviously know
and Travis Walton.
>> Yeah.
>> I came to I met him when he was in
um
where was it?
>> Tennessee. No.
>> Uh what's the music place in Tennessee?
>> Oh, um uh
>> yes, Nashville.
>> Yes, Nashville. Thank you.
>> Yes.
coming in to do a conference.
Um, Holly is from there
>> and kind of grew up and was raised in
there and she knows everything about
Nashville there is. Um,
but I met him on the plane when I was
coming in. He was on the same plane I
was coming in because he had come from,
I don't know, Arizona, I think. And he
started, he introduced himself to me. I
didn't even see him. He was walking
through the plane and he says, "Oh,
Jonathan," you know, and I look up and I
think, "Who knows me on this plane?" You
know, and then I realized his face, you
know, and I had seen him in things. And
we talked there on the plane for about
15 minutes before it flew in. Um, he
asked if he could take a picture of me,
which I thought was amazing. Why would
he want anybody want a picture of me?
But he did. We took one together. I have
one of him. And then we got in and we
were going to go to almost the same
place and he was being picked up by
another guy that's kind of famous uh
that has my last name. Uh Tom Reed.
>> I don't know if you've ever heard of his
case, but it's big. It's it's amazing.
There's a lot of detail. It's very
similar in some ways to mine. happened
to him when he was a kid,
but he has some evidence. He has some,
you know, so I met him, got to talk to
him. Uh Tom Reed had an limousine that
he owns and so he was driving that. And
so we all rode in, you know, and all
good old friends, good old buddies. And
in fact, Holly was there, too. And so
that's how I first met Travis Weld.
Well, I knew of his case a long time ago
because it was in the media.
>> Yeah, it was a big case.
>> And I remember
I can't give you the year, but I
remember seeing that he was going to be
on with Oprah Win ren
on TV. And I remember seeing that, but I
didn't see the show. I just saw the ad
for it. And um but it was way long time.
I mean way back in the because his case
happened in 75
>> 75
>> and I think it was probably 90 when I
saw this ad for this
>> and then he became a little bit more his
case was highlighted because they made a
movie around it uh
>> Fire in the Sky
>> Fire in the Sky which I've seen a few
times
>> that came out '92 or 93
>> I think so
>> and then in talking with him years since
he's told me how poorly they did the job
of of his story. They basically took
full artistic license and changed it
around and you know I said hey but you
got a paycheck from it you know and he
agreed you know and anyway that's how I
met him. I met him not because of the
case but just in passing as a as a guy.
He's very friendly. Yeah. He's very
personable, probably a lot more than I
am.
>> I would say
>> he was comforting to me and said, you
know, I know you've been through hell. I
know what that's like. And don't, you
know, don't let these guys beat you up.
And he was talking about humans, you
know, and uh, you know, just let it
roll. Just let it roll. That was his his
way. And I thought, that's cool. That's
really nice. You know, [snorts]
>> he's a nice guy.
>> And so I've stayed in touch with him. I
I mean, I get a a Christmas notice from
him that says, "Merry Christmas. Hope
you're doing well." You know, or a
birthday, something, you know, and I do
the same to him. And then I've talked to
him since then. And then we had dinner
uh three days straight where we all ate
in the same place. He sat right next to
me or right across from me. I talked to
him in detail about my thing. He talked
to me detail about his thing. And I will
tell you
there's no doubt I believe him.
Okay? I haven't seen anything. But the
man himself
is truly
um I think an honest soul and I met a
lot of people, you know, dealing with
psychology and talking to people and
stuff. And I just think he's very
genuine, you know.
>> Yeah. And he's a he's a simple guy, too.
He's not someone, right?
>> Very complicated,
>> right?
>> And and uh you know, I I recognize that
and I recognize that when he's telling
his story because I went and saw him in
a lecture. Um
he's learned how to do it. He's learned
how to address the crowd, you know, how
to play to the crowd, and he knows what
they want and what's not necessary. And
he he just deals with the facts. And
then after, you know, they have like
questions and answers and stuff. And
when he would come to a point where he
didn't know, he'd say, "I don't know."
You know, I don't know what happened at
that time. I may have passed out. I
don't know.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, and they say, "Well, you know,
were they good to you in the ship?" He
says, "I don't know. None of that do I
remember. All I remember is getting out
of there and that one led him out the
door, basically a different one."
>> Yeah. And I I find him very credible and
and honest to be a really honest guy,
>> you know.
>> Yes. Salt of the earth.
>> Both of us, I think, have one wish. We
wish we would understand more. We wish
we could understand more. And but he is
one of the ones that also told me, you
know, you don't have to tell anybody
anything. You know, you got nothing to
prove.
And he said it became easier for him
once he realized that that he didn't
have to prove anything.
>> Yeah.
>> So
>> that's good advice.
>> After, you know, after 10 years of doing
it, I basically took a step back because
again, a couple of my friends were hurt
and I decided I didn't want to have that
happen. I had some
I I'm going to try to say how I feel
about it.
I had some internal problems with my
some team players and there was a
jealousy aspect of who would get to be
the leader for that day or who would do
this. you know, it just became a
political personal issue. And I had to
actually say, you know, I got to let you
go. You know, you need to go do your
life. And and he didn't like that. And
then he put out some negative stuff
about me like it happens. Same as
Travis, you know, and you know, you just
get over it. You just got to get over it
and move on. There's no
>> Yes. fixing the fence so so to speak.
Um,
>> can't dwell on it.
>> It's this whole thing has been a
learning process for me of just how how
do how do we get along with each other?
How do we tell information to somebody
and not have them make a huge judgment
and not take it personal?
>> Sure. I mean, you know, you I tell
everybody this, and I haven't said this
to you today, but I have to. If I hadn't
experienced all this myself, if I hadn't
had my hands on it, the technology and
the the the issues,
if I hadn't done that all myself and
seen it myself, I probably wouldn't
believe it either.
And that's okay. That's all right
because early on, you know, even with my
friend Gary, who knew me really well, I
mean, I knew him from early high school
days.
>> What was his background, by the way?
>> Architect.
>> Okay.
>> He was a licensed architect.
>> Even with him coming into my house,
knowing me, seeing me as sick as I was
that first day,
>> he didn't believe me.
And I knew it. I could see it. I could
see it on his face. And I just like in
the
>> new documentary, I say,
>> "Come to the garage. I'll show you."
You know, cuz the proof was in the
freezer. And
he did. And then he went through that
same process of, you know, I just saw
it, but I don't believe it. I just saw
it, but I don't believe it. And he you
almost talk yourself out of believing
what you just saw.
>> Yeah. Your mind can't
>> And I I went through the whole process
for almost two years.
And so anyway, I was back at my Jeep. I
had the thing. I drove home. I went to
the ranger station. Nobody there. I
drove into my carport. I put him in the
freezer in my garage. And I went in the
house and stood in the shower, not
thinking about anything other than the
water running all over me and my clothes
and my shoes and every because I was a
mess. I was a mess. And I just peeled
off the layers and stood there for a
long time. And I got out of there, got
out of the shower, put on some clothes
and thought, I got to call somebody. I
got to call my girlfriend.
So I called her and that was in the days
of the answering machines, you know, we
didn't have voicemail and all that jazz.
But so I left her a message because she
was no, call me. I'm home. Call me. And
then the next phone call was to Gary and
I said, "Gary, Susie's dead. Come over.
Come over to my house. You know, I'm
really sick." And that's the message I
left him. And you know, he called me in
about 15 minutes. He said, "What's going
on?" I said, "Just come over." And he
did. About 10 minutes later, came over,
said, "Oh, you're a mess." You know,
"Sit down. Let me do this." You know, he
was very, very nice person. And
got me water. And, you know, and I know
he didn't want to think about anything
other than my condition. He was worried
about my condition. And I said to him, I
said, "I'm okay. I'm all right. I'll be
okay. But you got to listen. You got to
know what's happened, you know. And and
finally it was I knew he wasn't
listening. I knew he wasn't even, you
know, because I could tell the look on
his face. He wasn't I said, "Come with
me. You got to come with me. We got to
go to the garage." And he said, "Garage?
Why?" I said, "Come with me." And I took
him to the garage, opened the freezer,
took it out, laid it on the floor, and
opened the thermal blanket.
And at that moment, he just went white.
Somebody who talked all the time, didn't
say a word, and backed up against the
garage wall and just he he just didn't
say anything. He started to say
something kind of mumbled and nothing I
can repeat. And I said, "Okay, let's go
in the house." And I rolled it up, put
it back in the freezer, closed it, and
went in. And we went in there and just
sat there with the tequila bottle
between us drinking
for I don't know how long before he
finally said,
you know, what the [ __ ] is this? You
know, and I said, I told you the story.
I told you what happened.
And I said, this is what killed Suzy.
And he just, you know, would he he
wouldn't digest that. He just kept
thinking, this can't it can't be. there
must be something else, you know, cuz he
said, "That doesn't make sense." I
said,"None of it makes sense." And I
said, "I'll show you." I got the
videape. I played it, put it in my
player, and played it. And he just
stared at it. It was It's seven minutes
long, you know, and
he just said, "Jonathan,
this is insane. This is insane." you
know, and everybody every other
expletative he could imagine saying, he
said, and he said, "Well, I know what
this is. I know what it" And I said, "I
don't want to hear it. I don't want to,
you know, because I knew he was going to
put a name to it, you know." And he
says, "No, you don't know. You don't."
And I said, "You're right. I don't
know."
And he said, "It's a it's an alien. It's
either extraterrestrial or
extradimensional or something, but it's
definitely an alien.
And so, you know, now the cat's out of
the bag. And that's all he kept saying.
I mean, I couldn't shut him up, you
know, and he got me more water and we
drank the tequila and basically finished
the bottle and and both just sat there
thinking, you know, what a terrible
ordeal I'm thinking. And he's thinking,
I don't know what to do. You know, what
should we do? What we need to call these
people, you know, we could call, you
know, the Air Force. a good call, you
know, and he he was his mind was just
spitting out all this stuff. And I said,
"You can do that. I got to calm down. I
got to get out of this sickness." You
know, and
also by talking about it again, I had
soiled myself again.
So, you know, I'm still sick. I'm still
really writhing in this, you know, can't
breathe, can't calm down. And I I was
doing everything I could do not to go to
the hospital because I didn't want to
put myself
with the people I work with. And
>> yeah, I just didn't want to do that, you
know. And I mean, I didn't even want to
think about it
>> most of the time.
>> But that's where we were at. That's
where I talked to Gary. That's where he
saw the body. That's how that all came
about. At what point did you film the
body?
>> The next day.
>> It was the next day and Gary was present
during that filming.
>> No, the first the film that you've seen
is I did alone. And why? Because Gary
had left to go do something. I didn't
have a uh
>> tripod.
>> Mhm.
>> People say, "Well, how did you get this
shot?" Cuz your both your hands are in
there. And I said, "Well, I set it on
top of a box in my garage. It's right
there." And I said, "Well, what'd you do
with the other?" I said, "I taped my
camera, duct taped my camera to the side
of my little ladder that I had, pointed
it, and you know, that's how I did it.
Not special, just I'd used what was
available."
>> Was it at that point that you realized
that there was like a chunk out of its
head? That was the first time I realized
cuz once I opened it, I could see his I
turned his head and I could see it
hanging there and it was it was about
that big and it was bone scalp
uh where where we would have scalp. He
didn't have any hair on him. um inner
cranial material, the incraanial sack
was attached to that which had ripped
open which had bled out and you know
it's it's a water more than blood but he
had bled a great deal. I figured you
know just from the amount he bled in the
forest I figured he was dead.
>> Yeah.
>> So I mean we're talking quartz not just
a drip.
>> Yeah.
>> And I cleaned it up. I cleaned him up a
little bit and put it kind of put it
back in place and then when I folded the
blanket back up around him, it kind of
stayed there, you know, but soon as I'd
open it up again, it would fall out and
but it was attached. It was it was
attached to the skin and the scalp. So
finally I ended up I know this is sounds
terrible but finally I put it in place
took a piece of duct tape and taped it
to his head just cuz I didn't want it
flopping around.
>> Oh yeah
the um
>> the duct tape was right there in the
garage. the um the link. Now, when you
had retrieved that initially, you said
you thought it was like some type of
Pepsi can or some type
>> If you take if you take a a normal size
>> can of of juice or Pepsi or Coke,
>> Coke is my favorite, not Pepsi. Um
>> it's a joke because people say you've
said the word Coke so many times. Is
Coke paying you to say this?
Anyway, if you bend that can, if you
>> crush it in the middle, so both ends
kind of go like this and it's bent like
that
>> and you throw that underneath the ferns,
that's what I saw was this silvery
looking
object
>> and I thought it was, oh, it's a
Coca-Cola can that's crushed.
>> And then I moved the ferns and I
realized, no, it's not. and it's got
some of these etchings on it that are
pretty predominant. They're pretty big
and
just on the one edge of it.
And so I picked it up. I really didn't
think about it. Probably because I
didn't want to think about anything. And
I set it in with the body as I wrapped
it up. So that's how I first was,
you know, visible of this thing. I got
home, I opened the body up
because at that point I thought my dog
was wrapped up. I had told my mind,
"It's got to be Susie. You You brought
Suz's body home."
There's no logic to it. It's just maybe
more comforting knowing what your dog is
versus this body that I didn't know what
it was.
I opened it. I looked. There was the It
was cuz it was sitting right by his
shoulder, the artifact. I took it out,
set it on the floor, wrapped his body
up. Then I picked it up and set it on
the shelf inside the garage. Not wrapped
up, just sitting there. It was just a
place to put it. and and and I was
wanting to get away from this. So I and
went in the house um
later on
and there there is some information
that's that's out of
sequence not to you but to other people
because they tend to want to condense
everything.
I left Seattle running away.
I borrowed a car, somebody's used car. I
had like $200 and I drove to Canada. I
drove to Vancouver. I was familiar with
Vancouver because my father worked there
occasionally. We'd go up on maybe once
or twice every couple months and we'd
stay there in a hotel. I'd go to Stanley
Park with my mom and we, you know, it
was a neat place. It was, it was very
similar to Seattle in that it's kind of
a small downtown. And then
anyway,
I knew that place. I knew it like a
second home.
And it felt, okay, I can go there. I had
some friends there that I knew, okay,
but I wasn't going to go to them because
that would just bring this whole basket
of trouble to them. But I knew I could
go there and I could probably find a way
to just survive because all the [ __ ]
that was going on at home, I wanted to
put an end to. Um,
breaking into everybody's houses, you
know, following me around, ransacking
everything. I mean, just it was just a
nightmare. So, I wanted that to end.
Gary went one way, I went the other. We
both decided we'd get in touch with each
other a certain time, certain day,
certain place through somebody else.
>> [snorts]
>> Um,
so that's why I left town and I went
there and I parked my car in a place
where it, you know, probably would have
been left alone and and I started
walking and I just ended up in Stanley
Park and knew the park pretty pretty
well, not totally, but I met some guys
that were younger than me who were
staying in the park. They said, "Oh,
well, we're from so and so. We're
staying. We're camping." you know, you
can't camp in Stanley Park, but they
were doing it, you know, and I thought,
okay, well, that's cool, you know. And
he said, "Come with me, you know, come
with us. We'll be cool." And that's
that's how I stayed. I stayed with some
of these guys who were also homeless. I
met some other people that were
homeless, couple older guys. And they
taught me some things about living on
your own, living off the grid. And I'd
never done that in my life. I'd never
thought about doing it, but they were
very cool people. They were very earthy
people.
>> Where did you
So, when you left, did you leave the
artifact behind?
>> No.
>> You took it with you.
>> I took it and put it inside of a folders
coffee can wrapped up in a piece of
cloth and with the lid put on. I never
opened it. I buried it in Stanley Park.
I was alone. I buried it next to a big
tree. No doubt I could find it again.
And I buried it about, I don't know, two
or three feet down and just covered it
back up, stomped on it, and never
touched it, touched that can until
10 months later.
So I was homeless for 10 months and
lived there, lived in some other places
that were kind of like a burned out
apartment building. Um,
and and a lot of things had been
happening and I had stayed in touch with
somebody from my area who knew my
parents, you know, knew the house, knew
me for a long time. And so I was getting
updates on what was going on at the
homestead and it wasn't really good. It
really was kind of bad. They were still
harassing my parents and where'd he go,
you know, tell us where he is and and
I I was at a breaking point
where I had lived a really good life. I
had I had established myself as a really
credible physician. I was making at the
time back then. It was a lot of money
about $350,000 a year just as a salary.
>> Did Did you end up letting people know
that you're not coming in? Like what h
how did you stop work?
>> You ready?
On the second day of bringing the body
home,
I knew I wasn't going to be able to go
to work cuz I felt so crappy. I mean,
you know, I couldn't even sit up longer
than an hour and I felt terrible. And
>> you felt ill still.
>> Yeah. Very. So, I called
No, I didn't call. He called me. my
assistant who I worked with at the
hospital university medical center 7th
floor psychiatrics
he called me and it's somebody I have
known for years
I would say he was like my partner and
he said Jonathan I called you for a
reason he I said what what I said I was
just going to call you tell you I'm not
coming in he says are you moving
because there's guys here taking all the
filing cabinets and all the computers
and stuff off your desk. And they said,
"You're moving." And he says, "You
didn't tell me anything about that." And
I said, "I'm not moving." He said,
"These guys got paperwork from the
administration, from the hospital,
saying that they're authorized to take
this stuff."
And I said, 'Well, first of all, I never
authorized it. I don't know anything
about this. And he says, 'Well, I'm
telling you, they're they're done. That
they're done. Taken everything. They've
already, you know. And I said, well, if
you can stop them, stop them. If you can
call administration or security, stop
them. Anyway, it's too late.
I said, okay, I'm not coming in. I'm
still sick. I'll get back to you. He
said, ' Okay.
I called at that moment I called the
administration department and said
I got to speak with Dr. Jonathan Reid
because I have to make some appointments
that we had set up and I have to change
those. And they said, "Oh, just a
minute." And it was somebody, a woman's
voice
and put me on hold. And somebody came
back that was a guy and said, "Who are
you looking for?"
And I said, "Dr. Jonathan Reed." He
says, "We have no one working at this
facility under that name.
Who are you?
And I said, "Okay, thanks." and hung up.
Okay.
I called another number who was
administrator that I knew and she wasn't
in, but her secretary said, "Jonathan, I
don't know what's going on, but there's
all these people here saying that we
can't talk about you and that you've
become a felon and you you're involved
in something that's illegal and if we
involve ourselves, we could possibly be
fired."
And I said,
"Okay."
They convinced me that it had happened
and it was true. And I knew enough had
gone on.
And so at that moment, I knew they had
they had gone that far to, you know,
basically
[ __ ] with my life.
And and then
I thought, well, what else? You know, I
got to get I got to get my money out of
the bank cuz I have some money.
So, I called my bank, a banker I knew.
They said the same thing. They said, "We
don't know what's going on, but
everything's gone of yours. All accounts
have been sealed. All the money that you
had in those accounts has been
extracted." And it's a government,
federal government thing.
and we had to sign for it and that that
you are a felon and that nobody else can
mention your name or talk about this.
>> The banker, do you have his name?
>> Well, I have her name.
>> Her name.
>> She got fired for talking about me. Uh,
I sued the bank
and I ended up getting about 20% of my
money back
because I did that.
>> Wow.
>> They never rehired her. They basically
let her go.
>> What was her name?
>> Uh, I have all that information, but
we're not going there.
>> We're not going to give it up.
>> I've done it. She's been on tape. She
did an interview with Haimey.
>> Wow.
>> Way back.
>> We'll look into it. I'll look into cuz
that's I think that's one of those
things that people are going to like
>> well we need to know that and if that's
out there I mean that's
>> we also there we also at the same time
interviewed a nurse that worked for me
in my department
>> and she gave out all that information
and then was harassed for years for
years
and now I I have no idea where she is.
Do do you think that's why the uh so the
directors and producers of Contact in
the Woods, this documentary that
featured your story,
>> they were threatened?
>> They were threatened.
>> Yes. Soon as it became known that they
were going to do some kind of film
project with me, they were threatened. I
don't know that they will ever tell you
that, but I know it's true. I heard from
both of them.
>> They wanted to remain anonymous.
>> Yes. And I told them that's probably a
good idea.
Look, this threat thing is real. I mean,
it's absolute. I mean, it's happened to
everybody who's been around me and and
even though it's just one step removed
from me. So, people say, "Well, why
haven't you told done this? Why haven't
you told all this?" I said, "Well, I did
for 10 years. I told the whole thing. I
dumped it out. I went to people like
Steven Greer and said, "Take this from
me. Take my case. You talk about it.
You're the one doing this." He said,
"Well, no. Uh, you don't have any
credentials anymore." Because they had
erased everything I had ever done. My
three colleges, three universities that
I went to, that I graduated from, none
of that information
exists anymore. none of it.
And people were gone. People went to
those universities and said, "You will
not talk about this person,
otherwise you'll lose your job and you
could lose your life."
And these people are tremendously
intimidating.
You know, I even know somebody that
killed their dog that was on their front
porch.
I mean,
it's insane.
>> Okay, I want to I definitely want to get
into, you know, um
>> anything you want.
>> The relationship with Robert Wraith, but
also your trip to Toronto when filming
the demonstration of using the link.
>> Yeah. Um, but before we get there, I do
want to ask you, do you think you have
been given an implant through this uh
interaction by them, by the aliens?
>> Um, I've [clears throat] had
CAT scans and MRIs since then
with people who I knew. In other words,
they knew me.
>> Sure.
>> And [clears throat]
they couldn't find anything. Okay.
>> Okay. Do I think I have been
imprinted,
implanted, something in my head? Yes.
>> Like a download you mean?
>> Yes.
>> Right.
>> I don't know if you call it download or
upload, you know, but Yes. And the
reason is is
when I was sitting across the table like
this with Robert Wraith, who was my
author, co-author,
this was years after I had initially met
Freddy. Okay. Robert was somebody who I
was told to contact who could help me
write an this down in some kind of form.
He was a writer.
I wasn't a writer and my mind was, you
know, so messed up, but he said, you
know, here's three names. Call one of
these. They're all writers. You make a
decision to talk to them. And, you know,
somebody actually gave me that advice.
Bunch of guys that I call the Alliance.
That's not their real name, but that's
what I call them. And they're
[clears throat] the guys who rescued me
from Canada.
You want me to [clears throat] tell you
how that happened?
>> Sure.
>> Okay. I was
>> This is when you're in Vancouver.
>> Yes. I was sitting in the basement of a
burnedout apartment building. I was
staying there cuz it was winter time and
it was cold and wet out there, uh,
Vancouver.
I didn't really want to stay in the
woods anymore at that moment.
[cough and clears throat]
And I'll tell you, I was at the lowest
point, one of the lowest points that I
have ever been in my life.
I had found a gun, a pistol. I knew it
worked. Had a couple bullets in it. And
I was basically thinking, I don't want
to live like this anymore.
I don't want to survive. I I just, you
know,
it was terrible. I didn't want to go on.
And I had basically decided that I was
going to kill myself.
And as I sat there with the gun in one
hand, I had my wallet that had, you
know, some ID, some real ID. And
>> what do you mean some real ID?
>> Well, I had also acquired some fake ID.
>> I see.
>> But I was t I was actually thinking this
is what I'm going to do. I'm going to
lay my real ID out here because
somebody's going to eventually find my
body and I want them to know who I am,
who, you know, so they can get back to
my parents and, you know,
so I was taking the fake ID out and and
leaving the real ID there on this little
table and had the gun and as I was going
through my wallet, I found this piece of
paper that I was given to
10 months ago before I left Seattle,
somebody in a store as I was running
away from some bad guys who were in a
car,
somebody in a store ran up to me. I
mean, I literally they got in front of
me. I thought they were more bad guys.
And he said, "Jonathan, Jonathan, I'm
here to help you. I'm here. I'm not the
bad guys. Take this paper. It's got a
phone number on it. Call it when you
need help." Okay. Well, I didn't believe
him. I didn't, you know, I just grabbed
it, put it in my coat pocket, and ran
out of there trying to get away from
these other guys, but I kept it. I kept
that. I don't know why, but I kept it.
It was in my wallet, and I pulled it
out, and I thought, there's this phone
number.
I remember what this guy said that
someday you may need
to talk to somebody.
And I thought, well, I can do this
anytime, but maybe I should do this
first.
So, I went to a pay phone. I called that
number. And the second somebody
answered, they said, "Jonathan, what can
we do to help you?"
And I hung up. I thought, "This has got
to be the bad guys. It's got to be, you
know, I hung up." Anyway, few hours
later, I went and called again
and the person on the other end of the
phone knew who I was. They knew who the
call was and I thought, "Well, that's
really weird. How can that be?" You
know, but he said, "Jonathan, don't hang
up. We're here to help you. We're not
part of the bad guys, you know. I mean,
he really just threw out all this
information." So, I knew they knew who I
was. I knew they knew the kind of
situation I was in. And he said at that
time,
"What can we do to help you? Can we get
you a place to stay? Do you need medical
attention? Do you need money? Do you
need clothes? Do you need what do you
know?" And I all I said was, "Okay, I
need money."
And I didn't believe him.
>> Mhm.
>> But I said, "Okay, put money in an
envelope and tape it under the under the
park bench that's out in such and such
park,
>> the third bench.
The guy said, "Okay, when when do you
want to, you know?" I said, "Tomorrow."
You know, I'll pick it up at noon, but I
don't want to see anybody around. Nobody
near that area. I said, "Cuz if they
are," I said, "I'll shoot you."
And he said, "Okay, we'll do it. It'll
be there and we'll put another phone
number with it if you want so you can
know that it's from us." And I said,
"Okay."
So again, I didn't believe him, but I
went and sat from about 6:00 a.m.
till about
about 1:00 and watched the whole park,
watched the area, watched people come
and go and people sit on that bench and
never saw anything.
Never saw anybody put anything under it,
you know. But I finally walked over to
that bench, sat on it, and reached
underneath it. And taped underneath that
bench was an envelope with $300 US in
it.
So, I knew,
you know, they were at least trying. You
know, I just still didn't believe them.
But I think, you know, at that point,
I'm thinking, you know, it's the bad
guys. I'm sick of this whole thing. I
just it's got to end. And I figured even
if it's the bad guys, just let them get
you. I don't care.
And but it wasn't it was these really
nice people who identified themselves as
a group and uh I put the name Alliance
on it for when I wrote about them in the
book.
They sat me down finally and you know
told me where do you want us to meet
you? And I said such and such hotel
little little hotel in Vancouver. And
they said okay we'll do it. we'll be
there whatever time you want. And they
did everything exactly like they said.
And they were nice. They sat me down.
They talked to me. They didn't ask me,
you know, about the incident. They
didn't ask me about Freddy. They didn't
ask. They said just kept saying, "What
can we do to help you? We know your
circumstances.
If you want to talk about it, we'll talk
about it. If you don't, it's fine. But,
you know, we're here to help you." And I
said, 'Well, I need a I said, 'It would
be nice to be able to have a warm place
to stay that had a bathroom. And they
said, "Is this place okay?" You know, I
said, "Sure."
And again, I constantly thought, "Okay,
in are going to going to rush in with
all the bad guys. They're going to beat
me up and, you know, tie me up and drag
me out of here."
>> But they never did. These were the nice
guys. And they proved everything they
ever said was true.
>> Where are they from? What is their
affiliation?
>> Well,
all I know is they had their
their mind and their their ideas on
everything that I had done that I had
been through. They knew pretty much the
whole case. Okay? They didn't know all
the details of what I had to do and you
know after I left town, but they had
heard about it. And I said, "Well, where
did you hear about it?" He says, "Well,
everything from the police, your
neighbors calling about somebody
breaking into your house and then you
know, we know. We know." And and he
said, "Don't trouble yourself with that.
Trouble yourself with getting better,
getting stronger, because what you've
learned is important. Other people need
to know this has happened to you."
>> Do you think these individuals
were
some sort of like nonhuman
>> no
>> thing. They were they were definitely
human.
>> They were human. And I asked them a
question and I said,
>> "Why should I trust you? I don't know
who you are." And he says, "Do you do
you know anybody that you trust that you
really really trust?" I said, "Yeah, I
got a handful of people." He said, "Name
any of them and I'll bring them here for
you to talk to."
And I said, "Okay,
I'll give you the name of two people."
And I gave them two people. One of them
was a Seattle police officer that I knew
personally from when I was a kid who had
grown up basically in the area.
>> Is he still around?
>> No.
And another one was a senator,
Senator Gorton of Washington State
and who I knew personally through some
other family issues.
And they brought both of them and they
came and talked to me for hours and
hours, ate with me in my room. And they
said, "This is real. This is real,
Jonathan. you've got to find a way to
come back to deal with this, you know,
and and they were basically trying to
convince me not to kill yourself. You
know,
>> there's people who care about you. You
know, my family was still around in
those days. And
so they convinced me to come back to
bring this back. They convinced me to
write about it in a journal. They said,
"Just write it in a journal.
So you know kind of what happened
chronologically and someday you might
want to share that with somebody and
then a few months later months
okay they had said here's some names of
some people who were basically writers.
Some had authored books, some had been
ghost writers. Some were m magazine type
people and you don't know any of them
but you're willing to call them and talk
to them. and if you pick anyone you want
and you know see what you can do, see if
it works. So I had called one and didn't
like the way she
I just didn't like the feeling of this
one person and so I called another one
of the names. was Robert was Robert Ray
and he lived in California and
Sacramento area and had been from
California all his life and he had
written some different articles on
atomic energy and uh some other trade
type magazine things. And then he helped
somebody else as a ghostriter on their
book, but nothing to do with this
subject. and I called him and I said,
"Hey, I want you to know what happened.
This is how I got your name." I didn't
give him all the details, but I just
said, "This your name was given to me as
somebody that might be interested." And
he said, "Well, yeah, yeah, I I could do
that." He said, "I've never done
anything with that subject matter, but
you know, we can figure it out." Because
I told him I had written this journal,
you know, and it was 1500 page journal.
So I had done a lot but it was good for
me to write it down
>> therapeutic
>> and
it was what I would have told a patient
>> right yeah
>> you know so I knew that that was you
know the thing to do right
>> so anyway he said well he says I'm in
Sacramento I'll fly up there and talk to
you and I I said well it's I'm kind of
not in the area right at the moment but
I said I'll make arrangements you know,
to to come to Seattle, you know, and he
said, "Okay." He says, "I have a friend
who has an apartment there." Uh, and
they're out of town, but we can use it.
And it it happens to be not far from
where you grew up, you know, and and I'm
thinking, "Okay, well, you know, I'm
starting to think, you know, is this a
bad thing?" you know, but anyway, I met
him, had my gun. Um,
and he turned out to be a really nice
guy and really uh
he not only nice but he was very
personable and and understood that I was
going through some hell with my body, my
physical body. and he was concerned
about, you know, whether or not I should
be traveling or, you know, and he said,
"Well, here here's what, you know, he
and I had showed him the pictures and a
lot of the evidence and stuff, not the
link, but I had showed him and he said,
"Well, this is what we need to do." and
he gave me a like a detailed list of how
he says, "I need to be able to work with
you and have access to your story and
your mind and everything, not just your
journal. I want to hear it from you."
And and I said, "Well, okay. I don't
have a place to do this unless you want
to go to Canada." And he said, "No." He
says, "I'll rent an apartment and and
you know, in my name, nothing to do with
you." and he said, "I'll just stay here
and you can come and live there or come
and go from there or whatever." Well, I
ended up living there and he took care
of me. He nursed me back to health. I
mean, I gained 25 pounds being around
him. And he liked to eat and it was in a
good area. It was close to some
restaurants, takeout and stuff. And so
that's how it happened. That's how I met
him. and we became I mean he was my best
best friend other than Gary and uh I
hadn't seen Gary you know in in over a
year I tried tried to contact him
couldn't contact him
>> just exactly how we had set it up to do
>> and I assumed that Gary was gone period
gone forever well he wasn't eventually I
got to Gary and
he was he was he had been found by some
relatives in another state. I went to
because they called me through some
other people. I called them back. They
told me what was going on and they said
he's uh he's in the hospital.
He's probably not going to make it.
Somebody beat him up with a pipe
in his head and he's got some brain
damage. He can't really walk or do
anything and they don't think he's going
to make it. And so I immediately left,
drove with some other people
to where he was and saw him and and uh
they were right. They were right. He was
on his last moments
and I used the link. I put it on and I
grabbed hold of him and we both went
to wherever the superiors are and they
looked at him and they said, "We'll
we'll take care of him. We'll take care
of him."
the link.
Folks, on one hand, we have some of the
most compelling evidence I've ever seen
of alien contact or of a UFO. I mean, if
you look close enough, it even looks
like the aliens blinking at one point,
which is super creepy. But on the other
hand, we have this, well, not exactly
this. Uh, this is a prop made by
Lawrence Kellau, a friend of the show.
He reached out to see if he can help us
out. Uh, and he came through. Now, he
built this in just a few days, mind you,
and it's pretty good. But the one that
Dr. Reed presents looks pristine. So, if
it is fake, did he have a professional
prop builder make it? Is there a factory
somewhere that's coming up with these
things? Cuz this isn't easy to make. And
the only reason I question its
authenticity, I mean, when you allege
that the wearer can just teleport
wherever he likes, we demand a little
bit of proof or evidence. And that's
kind of what Dr. Reed tried to provide.
He allegedly goes to this Canadian
production studio in front of a live
studio audience. 200 people in
attendance, which by the way isn't a
small studio. That would be something
akin to perhaps like The Price is Right.
>> Come on.
Anyways, on TV, he puts on the bracelet,
goes into some type of painful trance,
it seems, and turns into an orb, flies
away, and after a few glitches, flies
back and comes back. The footage is
questionable
at best. It's this part of the story for
me and for many others where my
conviction level lowers dramatically.
Why would he just make that up if he had
real alien footage to begin with?
Is he just looking for attention? Is he
trying to sell a book? I I don't know.
But when you speak to him, you can tell
how passionate he is about this piece of
technology. And he alleges that it's
hidden in a safe place, and he doesn't
even know where it is because that would
be a danger to his own safety. Let me
know what you guys make of this, cuz
this is the part of the story where, you
know, you start to lose me a little bit.
And on top of that, he's also providing
us with yet another artifact, which
we'll get to in a second. And this one
is interesting because apparently it was
made with some residue metal that was
found at the site. I'm not completely
out. I am still suspending my disbelief.
No matter what the real answers here
are.
It is interesting,
>> but I knew when I was
>> the first time you put it on or
>> No,
>> you put it on before.
>> I put I had put it on before and it just
popped off. I was sitting with Robert
one day and explaining to him what this
thing was, took it out of the can, set
it on the table, he looked at it, you
know, he held it, he set it back down,
and I just reached for it, picked it up,
put it on my arm, and it closed tight.
And when it closes, you can't get it
off. I mean, it's it's
unreovable,
and it hurts. It's got big needles in
the end of it that penetrate your skin
and into your nerves. And the second
that goes in your nerve, boy, you know
it. I mean, I don't know if you've ever
had anything like a hypodermic needle
shoved in your arm, but you know, it
hurts 10 times more than that.
>> And then all of a sudden, it gets
freezing cold. That pain is no longer
there, but then something else starts.
You have a kind of a thrombosis in your
center of your body and your your heart
>> starts vibration.
>> Well, it's thrombosis is a different
thing. It's a it's a feeling of like
your heart is starting to beat really
hard or really unevenly.
And
that's what you feel. And you feel like
that that's being
extremely
exaggerated throughout your limbs and
your legs and your body when you're when
this first happens and then you just
start shaking a little bit like this.
Everything shakes and you can't prevent
it. And um
and then you get tunnel vision.
your vision starts to close down. It
starts to get dark and dark and dark.
And then all of a sudden before you lose
sight,
it becomes completely white. And I mean,
you're like you're looking at a white
wall.
But then it starts to become clearer and
you're not looking at a white wall
anymore. You're looking at a new
surrounding
and then that pain stops and you're
somewhere else.
So you because there was a point where
you
you contacted this man in Toronto
who had
>> Okay. No, let me tell you the story in
the right way,
>> right?
>> I had met this man.
>> Mhm.
>> Who
was at a
I a convention, you know, kind of a UFO
thing. and I had met him and it was in
uh
Los Angeles and he was him and his wife
were just walking around you know
probably part of bought a ticket and
came and listened to somebody and I
didn't realize that he knew who I was
and he said yeah I heard you by you know
you did this interview on the radio and
and I had heard that and then I heard
you were going to be here but we can't
stay any longer if you're going to do
your talk And I said, "Well, it's okay.
You know, good nice to meet you." They
were nice people,
younger than me. And he said, "Well, if
you ever get to Toronto," he said,
"that's where I live." And he says, "I
do a little, you know, I'm a co-producer
of an afternoon talk show." And he says,
"I don't know how long it's going to
run, but he said, that's what I'm doing
right now. Come give me a call and, you
know, maybe we can do something."
Anyway, he called me. This is this is
years later. He called me and said,
"Hey, this is so remember me from, you
know," I said, "Yeah, yeah. How are you
doing?" You know, and he said, "Uh, I
had a guy back out of doing a lecture on
the show that I'm doing, which is a
afternoon talk show, just a local."
But he said, he backed out. He says, "If
you could get here, I could get you on
the show. What's the address?" He gave
me a address. He said, He says, "Okay,
well, if you're there, you're there. You
know, we'll see." You know, and I said,
>> "What was this guy's name?"
>> "Can't get it?"
>> Um,
somebody killed his wife.
>> Oh my gosh.
>> After this happened,
they'd never ever had any kind of
negative in their life.
Somebody just went up, stabbed her in
her house. So,
got on the airplane, flew with four of
my guys. We all went up there. This is
outside of Toronto. It's not really in
Toronto. It was a little studio. And I'd
been in television studios before, you
know, I mean, back in my other life
before 96. And I kind of knew what they
looked like, you know, and
this had seating for, you know, 150, 200
people. And they said, "Well, it's a
live show. This is what's going to
happen, you know, it's in an hour and a
half, you know, what do you want?" And I
said, "Well, what do you want to show?"
You know, and he says, "Well, you going
to use that thing, that device thing you
were talking about?" And I said, "Well,
maybe. Yeah, maybe." He says, "Okay, how
do you want it done? What do you want?
Do you want me to bring you in? Do you
want me to put you on the panel? Do you
know? And I said, "No." I said, "How
about one camera, one guy on me,
non-stop, don't cut away
so that you can see the whole thing, you
know." He says, "Oh, okay. That makes
sense." You know, he says, "Okay, I'm
going to be over here doing this." You
know, and so it just happened. It just
all came together. The crowd came in,
they sat down. He did a pre-show thing.
Um, now he wasn't the main producer. He
was like a co-producer.
>> How many people in the audience?
>> About 200. Between 100 and 200, right?
Well, you know, for afternoon talk show,
I figured that's quite a few people.
But, you know, local guys can, you know,
drum up business.
>> Sure.
>> You know, and they they had done some
stuff with somebody cooking something
and, you know, so it was that kind of a
thing. And he all of a sudden he says,
'Well, the main guy on camera says,
'Well, we got a surprise. We got this
guy, you know, and he named my name. And
he says, he's got something to show you
that is going to really be amazing to
you.
>> That's what he told the crowd, the
audience.
>> And then [snorts] they said, "Okay,
we'll introduce him." You know, they cut
back over, the light went on, and I
said, "Hi, how are you?" you know, thank
you for, you know, and he's talking to
me a little bit and he says, "Just take
it away, Jonathan. Do your thing." And
so I just kind of briefly told the
story, real brief. I found this thing up
in the woods. This is what it does.
Sometimes it works, sometimes it
doesn't, you know, and you put it on the
arm like this and it closes down. And it
closed down right then. And I thought,
"Oh, it's going to work. It's gonna and
I so I'm talking I said okay sometimes
you get this pain the needles I tell
them the whole story and I'm doing it
and then all of a sudden flash that's
all I saw was whiteness
and I went through the process of
what you go through when this happens
and it's like being inside of a bubble
of energy it's like sparklers almost
like everywhere and I can't see anything
else and then get I get this tunnel
vision thing and then it gets white and
I was somewhere else. Okay,
I was with the superiors who was they're
almost always there when I arrive when
this happens. Um and I felt I felt bad
because I felt I I did this
selfishly.
I did this on camera. This was not to
help somebody, you know, and I felt bad.
And they automatically knew everything I
was thinking.
>> I mean, just
>> sucked it right out of my head, like
they're inside of me.
>> And they said, "It's okay. It's okay.
We'll send you back, but this is, you
know, you have to realize this is
basically what they were trying to say,
and I can't tell you the exact words,
but they were saying
this isn't a toy. This isn't to be
abused. This is an honor to be able to
have you hold this and be with this be
with this item. You know, it's an
important more important than maybe you
realize. And I I know I felt like I was
going to cry because I felt terrible for
having used it like for a personal
thing. And they just said, "It's okay.
It's okay. We'll we'll send you back."
you know, and then they did
>> and there I was back in the studio.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> What happened to that footage? How did
you Did they decide not to air it? Did
they
>> Well, let me tell you,
it was live. It was alive.
>> This is a live a live show, right?
>> But somebody, and I can't tell you who
because I honestly don't know. I never
found out, but somebody had recorded it
>> off of the front of a TV screen.
Okay. In other words, right off the
screen, not taken it.
>> Sure.
>> Okay. And
I got it. I got a copy of it. But I
played it, looked at it, and it was the
exact thing that I did. It's the first
time I had ever seen what happens. And
and it it's pretty amazing, you know.
>> Yeah. There's like this white orb.
>> Yeah. And then people tried to reverse
it. People said, "Oh, it's just going
one way and then they turned on reversed
and put it back." Well, it isn't. It's a
totally different reversal thing.
>> So, it's two different things. Um, which
is interesting. I find it's not, you
know, it's not the exact path both
directions. Um,
but it is what I remember. I mean, I did
it. I sit there and I was talking and I
put it on and it closed and you can see
me grimace when it starts to activate.
And um,
it's pretty amazing. I had never seen
it.
>> Anyway, so I talked to the producer guy,
the guy I knew, the number I had. He
then informed me that his wife was
murdered.
>> Yes.
>> And he said, "I don't want to be a part
of this." And he said, "I'm sorry I ever
met you. I'm sorry I ever and I, you
know, I totally understood what he felt
like cuz how would you feel?" You know,
how would you feel if this happened to
you? You know, you'd go down all those
avenues saying, "Okay, I'm going to call
the police. I'm going to turn you in.
I'm going to do all these things cuz
that's what I need to do. I said do what
you got to do.
>> Yeah.
>> But you know what do you do when this
stuff keeps happening? You know, you end
up feeling guilty. It's your fault. If
you those people weren't involved with
you, none of this would have happened.
>> Do you do you harbor that guilt for
>> Absolutely I do. I feel terrible,
you know, and I've tried to reach out to
those people and most of them won't even
talk to me, you know, once they know
it's me. And I don't blame them. I
understand.
But, you know, I'm a human being, too.
And I've got to try my best
to wade through this.
You know what's um what's next for you?
What's the What's the next step for you?
>> I'm here.
>> This is it. One step at a time.
>> You have to understand
and I apologize for this. I don't know
you. I don't know of your background
other than what people have told me.
Okay? They told me that you were really
admirable, that you were an honest guy,
you were a straight shooter, and that
you wouldn't try to attack me.
And I'm sure you've heard this, you
know, anymore. If people try to attack
me, I I just leave. I just walk away
because there's no coming. You know,
there's nothing you can do.
>> No,
>> everybody has a right to think whatever
they want. And like I said, if it was
me, if I hadn't witnessed all this stuff
and been through this myself, I wouldn't
believe it either. And I tell everybody
that. And they said, they say, well, you
know, I don't know if I can believe
that. It's okay. Don't don't put
yourself through it,
>> you know. Live your life, you know.
And then there's people like you who
come forward and say, I want I want to
know.
I want to know what happened. Okay. I'll
tell you what happened, but I can't tell
you it's a wonderful ride.
>> Yeah.
>> It's not Disneyland.
It's a nightmare. It's an ongoing
nightmare.
And and I any I have gone to the point
where I tell people if you have an
experience just keep it to yourself.
Keep it to your family.
Don't don't pass it out. Don't try to
tell it's not going to get better.
I can guarantee you it won't get better.
I mean, I did things wrong, Chris. I
didn't do the thing. If I had it all
over to do again, I'd do things
different. I would have driven straight
back to probably the FBI, carried the
body in and thrown it on their desk
and say, you know, here I am. Take me
away, you know, cuz who knows if they're
the bad guys. I had a guy from the FBI
that I went and talked to in Seattle
after this had been going on a few years
because I wanted some help. I wanted
somebody to help my parents and what was
going on.
And he sat me down in his desk in his
office and said, "Jonathan, here's my
card."
He says, "I do know what's going on.
Thank you for your book. I didn't bring
him a book."
So I said, "Where'd you get it?" He
said, "I got it."
But he says, "There's nothing I can do
to help you. It's a totally different
department.
>> Yeah. Over his head.
>> He says, "I can tell you just stay out
of the way."
So, and that was before
>> a lot of the
>> uh Yeah. I mean, before I went away for
10 months,
but there's there's a lot of people who
know this is true. Okay. They've either
seen the body
when I initially brought it home the
first three days. I mean, because I took
a lot of people into my garage and said,
"This is what happened. This is my dog."
You know, and [clears throat]
most of those people have been silenced,
uh, not necessarily dead, but talked to.
Um, like I said, we did we did an
interview that Haimey used and Haimey
has all this tape. Okay? So, if you want
to get that source, he's got it. Um, I
don't have it because what I had is
gone, stolen. Um, the witnesses, the
banker and the nurse that worked in my
department, both of them tell the full
story. how they knew me, how my money
disappeared, uh how my department was
torn apart, you know, in one day, and
they were all told not to talk about me.
I mean, that's all on film. It's both in
Spanish translation and English. Okay.
Uh, one of those people
I still know has become a good friend of
mine, the banker woman, but she's
changed her whole life. she
recalibrated,
got into a different industry and
excelled in that. So, uh, lucky for her
and for me, we've stayed friends. Hard
to believe, but we have, um,
before we started
this conversation today, you had shown
me something.
>> Yes.
>> Uh, an artifact,
we can say.
>> Yes.
>> An item.
>> Yes.
that
I won't get too much into detail because
I'm not sure how comfortable you are
with me talking about it, but you did
say that I can mention the item.
>> Yeah, you can.
>> Um,
>> I've never talked about it before in
public.
It's a piece of something that I found
when I picked up the the artifact.
that was laying on the ground and it
looked like a puddle of gold metal foil.
And I took it and I kept it for years
and I melted it down and I made this
out of it. I know the full consistency
of it. I know that it's exactly 1 ounce.
Uh, I melted it, I polished it and put
it in position of being a ring, but it's
uh 24 karat gold and 1% platinum.
And the uh the jeweler who helped me do
it was a friend of a friend and he
actually said if he could have a little
piece of it and I gave him a little
piece when we were making it. He's the
one that analyzed it. He said,
"You can't get gold this pure
anywhere."
>> Anywhere.
>> It's very heavy.
>> For those wondering,
>> yeah, it weighs out to 1 ounce. Uh
what's interesting about it is it
changes
in temperature.
If I'm wearing it and Freddy's coming,
>> I I know 10 minutes before he's there,
>> it gets warmer.
>> Gets really hot.
>> Really hot. Right.
>> Notice it's rough on the inside.
>> Yeah.
>> I kept it that way
because
[clears throat] Did you ever see the
exhibit of King Tut?
>> No.
>> Well, he had a ring that he wore that
was very similar to that shape. And on
the flat end of it, he had his insignia
or whatever his signature,
>> and he'd dip it in blood and then stamp
documents
>> with that flat end,
>> like a sigil.
>> So, I thought that was really a neat
design. I I had seen that and I thought,
okay, well, I could just make it look
like that.
>> Mhm.
>> And that's what we did.
>> That's pretty cool. I mean, this is
>> it's rough on the inside so that it
doesn't slide around
>> when it's on your finger.
>> It wouldn't fit me. I got big fingers.
>> This is amazing. Can we get some footage
of this after?
>> Sure.
>> Um, this is amazing, Jonathan. This is
the first time you've ever
>> It's the first time I've ever really
talked about it in public.
>> Does it make you nervous to talk about
it?
>> Yeah, but I again, I am who I am. I've
been through hell. I've been through
this nightmare long enough. I've tried
to tell the story. I've tried to tell
this to benefit other people who have
either had experiences or might have
them in the future. Saying be very
careful what you do once you've had this
experience
because it it's not going to turn out
happy.
And and at this point in my life, I just
want people to understand. I'm just
trying to
do my best to be a good person. And
well, I appreciate you and I appreciate
your time that you've given me today and
that you've given everyone listening.
Um, you know, this is a one of the
wildest stories I think anyone will ever
come across. This is there's so much
here. There's so much to absorb and to
contemplate.
>> What else do you want to talk about?
>> I [laughter] mean,
>> first of all,
keep cold is interesting because it
would it would go down to zero, but it
wouldn't go any lower than that. It was
an old freezer.
>> Well, there's a The one thing I wanted
to ask you about actually was on the Art
Bell show, you uh you play the recording
of the scream. So, I took my camera and
I took the recorder and I turned it on
and I again opened the freezer and
that's when I recorded this sound.
>> Would you uh would you play the sound
for us once again, please?
>> Yes, I will. Hold on.
>> Okay, here here it comes.
[screaming]
Oh my god.
>> Which you then had analyzed by some
Japanese people that
>> I I went to Japan.
>> They signaled it out to be like this is
>> the artifact. This is Oh, you took it
with you as well.
>> And had it analyzed by some
metallurgists who were part of the
University of Osaka
>> Yeah.
>> school. Sure.
>> Okay. And they they uh took some samples
of it. They I don't know how they did
it, but they
took like X-rays of it.
>> They like singled out the
>> and and were able to see all the layers.
There were like 15 layers of this thing.
Some of them were like living plant
fiber, like the inside of a leaf
laying on the whole surface of the of
the thing in one one layer. Okay. And
some of the layers were less than the
thickness of a hair, a human hair, 10
microns.
and all like a circuit board, all
connected both mechanically with a
circuit type board, but also with this
living leaf. And they were actually able
to sample the leaf. And there was no
idea what it was from. There was no,
they couldn't tell you what leaf it was.
>> Were these tests ever put out there?
Were they ever like made public? Are
they
>> I had it all written down into English
and stuff and all that's gone. That's
stolen.
>> Have you tried to contact the people in
>> Oh, yeah.
>> Osaka to like
>> Oh, yeah.
>> No,
>> they won't they won't talk to me.
>> They won't get back to you.
>> No, they were told not to. And whatever
was done was final.
>> How frustrating.
>> You bet. Yeah. And that's that's the
hope that I have is that people
throughout this
story and and events realize that
there's more to it than just somebody
finding something in the woods.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, even though Contact in the
Woods is an important documentary, okay,
because it'll show you a side of me that
I wish I'd never exposed to anybody. Uh
this has been overwhelming to me and and
almost a disaster in every aspect of my
life. Uh I survive by the grace of God
and by my team who keep me going, who
prop me up and uh kick me in the butt
when I need it.
It's it's a it's an ongoing process. Uh
but you know, people say, "Well, you
know, why do you keep talking about
that? What else do I have? Okay. What
else do I have to talk about? And and
that it's an important thing. It's a
learning thing that I've had to learn
and other people should learn. Okay?
It's not just what you've been given.
It's what you do with it.
>> And I I don't mean to be preaching, but
you know,
>> it's good advice.
Well, whether it's good or not, it's me,
you know,
>> and if you
>> and I salute you for taking the time.
>> Well, cheers.
>> And thank you so much.
>> Thank you. Thank you.
>> And anybody anybody who listens, thank
you. Please consider all aspects.
>> All right, Jonathan.
>> Thank you so much.
>> Thank you.
>> Well, there you have it, folks. Murders,
cover-ups, alien tech, and televised
teleportation. just a few of the claims
that are hard to believe. My personal
level of conviction on the subject
matter is always pretty low to begin
with, and that is no exception here.
However, like many cases of alleged
alien contact, it could be argued that
the initial counter was real and that
perhaps the later experiences might be
made up or confabulated or built upon.
In fact, although still low, my
conviction of the documented video is
slightly higher than it was before this
interview, only because of his ability
to succinctly answer very specific
questions in a timely manner. His body
language and recall seem to be that of
someone who believes at least what
they're saying. But when it comes to
ongoing alien contact, the gadget, the
teleportation, or even the ring made
from an alleged alien material, my
conviction level remains well, pretty
low. That being said, I do appreciate
his time and I would encourage anyone
interested in this case to check out the
documentary that I've linked below. And
now the question that I will leave with
you is, do you throw everything out the
window or is there something in this
case that strikes you as true?
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