[@joerogan] Joe Rogan Experience #2482 - Andy Stumpf

Link: https://youtu.be/qrKuqmJmz0Q

Duration: 154 min

Short Summary

This Joe Rogan Experience compilation covers multiple wide-ranging conversations with Tim Alberino discussing unverified claims about giants and cryptids alongside military SEAL training tragedies, Pentagon budget failures, and COVID-19 criticisms, while a separate segment features Andy detailing extreme sports achievements including an 18.2-mile flying squirrel suit world record and Gravity Industries jet suits, plus classified military hostage rescue operations and Hal Putoff's account of the Bush administration's decision not to disclose recovered non-human craft. A military veteran author guest discusses his book "Drown Proof" while the episode also explores Google's Willow quantum chip solving computations that would take classical supercomputers longer than the age of the universe, with Hartmut Neven suggesting the chip borrowed computational power from parallel universes.

Key Quotes

1. "I don't want it to happen, but I think it probably is essential that it does every once in a while because the training has to be so difficult that you get to the brink. You have to train people for the job that they're going to be asked to do. And the training standards need to be a directly downstream reflection of what the career is going to be." (00:24:50)
2. "If they say put your hand here and you ask them, do you mean always put it there? And they say yes, just put your hand there." (01:20:26)
3. "I'd rather live to 80 and be doing awesome stuff to 80 than live to 90 and spend the last 10 years eating jell-o in a nursing home." (00:52:37)

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Episode Overview

This compilation of The Joe Rogan Experience episodes features multiple extended conversations spanning extreme sports, military operations, conspiracy theories, medical topics, quantum computing, and wealth inequality. Guests include Tim Alberino, a content creator known for exploring unverified cryptid claims while maintaining skepticism toward evidence-free conspiracies, alongside military veteran Andy who shares classified details about hostage rescue operations and wingsuit flying achievements, and a separate military author guest discussing his book "Drown Proof."

Medical Topics: Alpha Gal Syndrome and Cold Therapy

• Evan Haver (Evander Holyfield's son) contracted alpha gal syndrome from a tick bite, causing a severe allergy to all mammal meat that has left him able to eat only eggs as a protein source; the condition initially resolved then returned with greater severity, and he lost approximately 10 pounds.
• Alpha gal syndrome first emerged in the US in the late 1980s but was not formally identified as a tick-related meat allergy until Thomas Platts Mills began his discovery process around 2002, with the first medical literature describing the condition in 2009.
• Suzanne Soberg created the Soberg principle, a framework related to cold exposure and thermal regulation that is frequently cited by Andrew Huberman in health discussions.
• Women tend to vaso constrict faster and experience larger drops in core temperature during cold exposure compared to men, and very cold plunges at 35-45 degrees Fahrenheit can cause sympathetic and cortisol spikes that may disrupt menstrual regularity and thyroid function if overused.
• Very cold plunges at 35-45°F can cause sympathetic and cortisol spikes that may disrupt menstrual regularity and thyroid function if overused, with women tending to vaso constrict faster and experiencing larger drops in core temperature during cold exposure compared to men.

Military Operations and SEAL Training

• Two Navy SEALs drowned in 2024 in the Arabian Sea during a VBSS (Visit Board Search and Seizure) ship-boarding operation when one SEAL fell from the ladder and his swim buddy went in after him, with neither body recovered; both were wearing negatively buoyant equipment that likely prevented them from activating their life jackets in time.
• Up until 9/11, nearly every SEAL operation started in the water and then moved to land, with training heavily based around water; the SEAL community draws its origins from UDTs (Underwater Demolition Teams) and Scouts and Raiders.
• Navy SEAL training deaths occur approximately every 5 years, which is argued to be necessary because training standards must reflect actual job requirements; making training less dangerous would lead to more deaths in real-world operations.
• The Jessica Lynch hostage rescue operation involved four MH-6 'Little Bird' helicopters across 24 total personnel, plus supporting aircraft including C-130s, possibly a shot-down Predator or Reaper drone, damaged A-10s, and an F-15 from which the weapon systems officer ejected.
• High-risk operations accept immense risk for two primary missions: hostage rescue and combat search and rescue, where forces go even during daytime when technological advantages are negated.
• Little Bird helicopters lack sufficient fuel storage for required distances, forcing the use of larger support aircraft.

Pentagon Budget and Accountability Failures

• The Pentagon is the only one of 24 major federal agencies that has never passed a full clean departmentwide financial audit, with the audit process ongoing since 2018 and a target of around fiscal year 2028 to achieve compliance.
• The Marine Corps is the only branch of the U.S. military that has ever passed a legitimate financial audit.
• Military budget cycles run October 1 to October 1, and military units operate under "use it or lose it" budget rules where failure to spend allocated funds results in reduced budgets the following year.
• In September, "bean counters" review remaining funds, and a supply representative described being told to spend $100,000 in three hours on shoes, with REI.com available to process such orders.

Military Equipment and Weapons Systems

• The Carl Gustaf weapon has a safety warning that after approximately 6 shots, it can cause the lining of the lungs to separate from the body due to massive recoil; it is a recoilless rifle with significant back blast requiring a two-person operation.
• Ammunition that sits too long may no longer be effective and must be disposed of by burning or detonating it; soldiers are sometimes required to expend all issued ammunition before returning to base.
• JSOC (Joint Special Operations Command) teams have more flexibility to source gear from outside vendors compared to conventional military teams.
• Operators maintain extensive footwear wardrobes for different terrains, with speed cross shoes used in urban environments lasting approximately two months before replacement.
• The Ghost Murmur program is described as a long-range quantum magnetometry program reportedly capable of detecting heartbeats at 40 miles away using diamond-based sensors.

Conspiracy Theories and Cryptid Claims

• Tim Alberino appeared on Jesse Michael's podcast and told a story about a 12-foot giant allegedly engaging US troops in Kandahar, Afghanistan; Joe Rogan stated he wants evidence for giants and aliens but needs physical proof rather than hearsay.
• Gigantopithecus was an 8-foot-plus bipedal hominin that existed in Asia and is classified in the orangutan family, likely what ancient myths about giants were based on.
• Rogan argues that giant primates are not inconceivable given that giant woolly mammoths and giant sloths once existed, and that millions of game cameras exist in the wild with no definitive evidence for creatures like Bigfoot.

Funeral Industry and Burial Practices

• Green or natural burial with a simple shroud, no vault, and minimal disturbance is legal in all 50 states; burial is regulated by state, city, and county zoning with no federal rule specifying body position.
• Embalming is not a blanket legal mandate—the necessity is based on funeral home standards when choosing arrangements like public viewing, not a federal requirement, and funeral homes may charge for embalming as an upsell practice despite it not being legally required in most cases.
• Direct cremation keeps body refrigerated and embalming is generally unnecessary, though some airlines or jurisdictions require embalming for long-distance or international transport.
• Tibetan sky burial is a tradition where bodies are prepared for vultures by chopping them into chunks so the body cycles back into the ecosystem naturally.

COVID-19 and Pharmaceutical Industry Criticism

• Approximately 75% of COVID deaths involved patients with four or more comorbidities, and children who died from COVID had pre-existing conditions.
• Pharmaceutical drug companies pay significant advertising money to media corporations like Fox, NBC, and CBS to prevent criticism of their products, and the media allegedly did not report on vaccine injuries during the COVID pandemic.
• A cancer doctor was allegedly giving chemotherapy to people who did not have cancer because chemotherapy is uniquely profitable for doctors; some medications cost $1,000 per pill as companies maximize profits.

Wealth, Technology, and Society

• Elon Musk is reportedly worth approximately $800 billion on paper and approaching $1 trillion; people with extreme wealth ($200 billion+) who still pursue more money are described as having a psychological problem.
• At 30 below zero, electric cars lose significant range (200 miles stated becomes 30 miles actual), and in major blizzards, electric car owners experienced their vehicles dying on the highway while gas vehicles could idle for 24 hours.
• Joe owns a Tesla Model S modified by Unplugged Performance with widened track, robust suspension, and carbon fiber fenders that accelerates to 90 mph instantly and silently.
• A street takeover occurred in Los Angeles on Saturday night where cars circled while surrounded by people and someone started shooting.

Pain Tolerance and Kenyan Athletic Training

• Kenyan tribe members underwent brutal initiation ceremonies involving crawling naked through stinging nettles, beatings on ankle bones, squeezed knuckles, and circumcision with a sharp stick to develop exceptional pain tolerance for marathon running.
• Kipogi (also called Kipgo) was required to remain completely stoic during his initiation and could not make a sound; if any crack appeared in mud caked on his face, he would be labeled a kabet (coward) and stigmatized by the community.
• The Kenyan pain-embracing initiation ceremony confers a distinct athletic advantage on children who grew up in that society compared to Western pain-avoiding societies.

UFC History and Joe Rogan's Martial Arts Origins

• Joe Rogan discovered UFC 2 on VHS in 1994 and began commentating at UFC 12 in 1997 at age 30, where Vitor Belfort made his debut while Rogan was training at Carlson Gracie's gym in LA alongside fighters like Mario Sperry and Igor Zinoviev.
• Early UFC saw Royce Gracie dominating with jiu-jitsu before practitioners realized they needed striking skills to survive past striking range.
• Rogan traces his martial arts lineage to Jean Jacques Machado, who was born with essentially one hand (just a thumb), forcing his game to focus on hooks, underhooks, and gable grips—principles that influenced Eddie Bravo's no-gi style.

Jiu-Jitsu Training Philosophy and Combat Injuries

• Joe Rogan details injuries from jiu-jitsu including three knee surgeries and a shoulder injury where his arm came over his head escaping an armbar from a 15-year-old, hearing it cavitate.
• He argues that achieving high-level jiu-jitsu requires training with people who will tap you, not just one training partner going easy; Joe started at age 30 and wishes he'd begun as a child to develop movement patterns earlier.
• Jean Jacques Machado's extreme detail-orientation contrasts with schools like Hixon, which focused exclusively on fundamentals (triangles, arm bars, rear naked choke) and could predict submissions against black belts.

Fitness, Recovery, and Longevity

• Andy discusses using an Iron Neck device with 50 lbs of resistance to resolve neck problems from head and arm chokes, while Regenicine (advanced PRP treatment) cured his bulging discs and numbness.
• He advocates for reverse hypers to keep the back strong and Zercher squats as particularly valuable for grappling since they mimic positions encountered in the sport.
• Andy began TRT approximately two years ago after discovering critically low testosterone levels attributed to years of training 10 times per week in a constant state of overtraining, prioritizing living an active, healthy life into his 80s over reaching 90 in a nursing home.

Wingsuit and Extreme Sports Achievements

• Andy broke a flying squirrel suit world record of approximately 18.2 miles after 16 years of skydiving, flying face first at 120 mph with no altimeter just cameras.
• He describes his risk management approach: analyzing and mitigating risks extensively before activities, then evaluating if remaining risk justifies the enrichment.
• Andy hasn't worn the wingsuit in five or six years because he no longer lives near a skydiving dropzone where he can jump multiple times daily.
• A man in Dubai was repeatedly spotted flying a jetpack-wingsuit combination in restricted airspace, prompting authorities to locate him.

Jet Suit Technology and Limitations

• Gravity Industries jet suit produces approximately 1000-1050 horsepower (comparable to a ZR1 Corvette engine), costs $440,000-$600,000 depending on configuration, and offers flight times of 1-4 minutes (or 5-10 minutes if flown carefully) at speeds up to 56 mph.
• The system uses four micro jet engines with the backpack providing the majority of thrust while hand-mounted units offer stabilization.
• A jetpack demonstration at a Denver radio station only lasted 30 seconds before running out of fuel, and the demonstrator suffered blown-out ACLs in both knees from repeated hard landings.
• An experience flight with Gravity Industries costs £2,400 for approximately half a day.

UFO Disclosure and Government Policy Decisions

• Physicist Hal Putoff (described as brilliant) was brought in during the Bush administration to assess a potential UFO disclosure scenario, where the government told him they had acquired crashed vehicles of non-human origin and biological remains.
• Putoff was asked to write down pros and cons of UFO disclosure impact on government, religion, and other areas, assign numerical values to each, and the analysis came out with more cons than pros, leading to the decision not to disclose.
• Bill Thompson (described as a "national treasure" with "national defense level autism") created the Spartan Force app containing 20+ years of targeting and intelligence gathering packaged for consumers, and refuses to sell user email data despite offers.

Quantum Computing and Multiverse Theory

• Google's Willow quantum chip, announced in December 2024, solved a computational task in minutes that would take a classical supercomputer approximately 10 to the 25th power years, far exceeding the age of the universe.
• Hartmut Neven, who leads Google Quantum AI, wrote that the Willow chip's speed "lends credence to the notion that quantum computation occurs in many parallel universes," explicitly referencing David Deutsch's many-worlds argument.
• Mark Andreesen explained that converting every atom in the universe into a supercomputer would not complete certain quantum problems before the universe's heat death.
• Note: Neven's comments about the Willow chip and multiverse represent interpretive speculative language about quantum mechanics, not experimentally established fact or standard scientific consensus.

Military Author Book Discussion

• The guest authored the book "Drown Proof," which features blurbs on the cover from Jack Carr and Jaco; the guest wrote and narrated the audiobook version with Jo writing and reading the forward.
• The guest met Joe Rogan through Tate Fletcher (also referred to as Tate Flesher) after completing military service, which significantly shaped their post-military career.

News Topics and Policy Discussion

• California's release of 70,000 people from prison and Los Angeles implementing no cash bail policies were discussed as significant criminal justice changes.
• Tucker Carlson launched his Alps nicotine pouch brand at Dave Ramsey's barn in Tennessee with Mel Gibson present, while Daniel Cormier noted the flavored pouches are unavailable in California but can be purchased in Texas.
• Texas concealed carry licenses have reciprocity with states like Florida and Nevada, while Montana is a constitutional carry state with no concealed carry license requirement.

Full Transcript

Show transcript

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.
>> The Joe Rogan Experience.
>> TRAIN BY DAY. JOE ROGAN PODCAST BY
NIGHT. All day.
>> Being a pacifist is the way. Avoid
violence at all costs. You know what I
mean?
>> Passively.
>> Look at you, dog. You're a [ __ ]
author. Let's take it easy. I'm not an
author until tomorrow. Technically.
>> No, you're an author once it's writt
author. I have a book in my hand which
makes you an author.
>> I tell you what, man. You had more of a
you had more of a hand in that book than
you would think.
>> Really?
>> Um, every, you know, before we started,
I had you sign one of the copies because
I'm going to keep it for myself. And the
people's names who associated themselves
with that, who took a chance on me and
supporting me, they have just as much as
hands as the monkey who may or may not
have been sitting in front of the
computer writing out the words very
slowly. Isn't that the case with
everything in life though? I mean, it's
it's really who you know and like the
people that you associate associate with
and what you learn from them and their
examples with everything and then
there's no individuals that are
responsible entirely for their own life.
There are individuals though that would
tell you that they are.
>> Yeah. But you those are the those are
the people that I don't hang out with.
>> Yeah. I can't I can't suffer being in
the presence of somebody who thinks that
they had every idea and every right
decision was theirs because I look at my
own life. One, I can't compete with that
because my life is defined by its
mistakes and idiotic things I've done.
Uh but two, I just I don't get it. I'm a
I'm a product of the people who I was
raised by, the people I was around, the
people still in my life. I mean,
>> 100%. We all are. If you don't think
that, you're delusional. They You cannot
have an exceptional person that's
surrounded by [ __ ] They You just
won't. Eventually, they'll give into
dipshittery. It's contagious. Negative
negative people.
>> You really got me thinking though if
that is possible. I'm trying to think of
an example.
>> Yeah, I probably shouldn't have said
it's impossible. It could be possible,
but it's very highly unlikely. And also,
they didn't achieve their full
potential. If that's the case, they
would have been even better if they had
been surrounded by exceptional people.
>> Improbable at best.
>> Yeah. At best.
>> Yeah.
>> I I've never seen an example of it. May
again, maybe one exists that I don't
know about, but as far as all the
exceptional people that I know, they all
associate with other exceptional people.
>> You know quite a few exceptional people.
You have an interesting job that has a
ven diagram that is incredibly unique in
the people you've been able to sit down
with.
>> It's pretty [ __ ] weird.
>> Did you ever think?
>> No. First off, by the way, I try to
point as many people as possible to JRE
number one because I think it's a
masterpiece.
>> It's a good thing to see.
>> Oh my god, it's terrible.
>> I'm like, wait for the snowflakes. And
they go, "What the [ __ ] are you talking
about?"
>> They're like, "What?" I'm like, I'm
like, "Just wait." It's amazing. I mean,
could you have ever thought though at
JRE1 where I feel like that was you on a
a laptop video?
>> It was. Yeah. 100%. Yeah. And to where
you are now where you were like sitting
down and talking to some of the most
influential people on the face of planet
Earth.
>> No. I mean I mean I think if I planned
it out like that it would have never
worked. You know
>> you would have tried too hard maybe.
>> I don't know what I would have done. I
mean I probably would have been more
careful which would have made it less
fun which would have made it less
attractive. You know, I think uh the two
things that I've done that are really
important is not pay attention to much
online talk about me and just follow my
interests and my instincts.
>> Like I I book the the whole thing
entirely on instinct. I look at like the
the all the different suggestions that
come in and all the different requests
to be on the show and I go, "No, maybe
what's that?" Huh.
>> Purely on self-interest.
>> 100%.
>> I think that's the way. What do you get
per day? Like ballpark
people trying to get on your show.
>> I don't even know because I have a
really good guy that filters out a lot
of them.
>> I bet it's got to be in the hundreds.
>> Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah, but he filters out
a lot of them and it gets down to, you
know, like what I he knows me really
well and so he,
>> you know, sends me like some physicist
is working on some new thing, some
quantum thing, this that the other
thing. like there's a new person that's
doing this and there's new research on
that and then there's you know that kind
of [ __ ]
>> Yeah. I think the difference between you
and me is I appreciate the fact you can
hold a conversation with those people. I
would be sitting there listening to them
with like the scroll wheel on the back
like
>> do you have words that are smaller that
could explain that? Well, some of them I
have to really prepare for, like, you
know, if I have like a Brian Cox on or
something like that, I'll really
prepare, you know, or, you know, there's
been a few people over over time where I
I knew they were coming on like three
months out, so I I've read a couple of
their books. I watched a few of their
lectures. I w you know. Yeah.
>> But then there's other ones like I could
just hang out hang out with them and
like Evan Evan Haver comes on. We just
shoot the [ __ ]
>> Angry small French painter.
[ __ ] Green Beretss.
>> He's the best. I love
>> I was with him at the uh Montana grand
opening, Montana Knife Company grand
opening of their new HQ.
>> It's We've been on the road a bit, I
think, like two days ago. He's one of my
favorite people. Absolut. But he's one
of my favorite people.
>> He's an awesome human. Yeah. A very
unusual human being. And you know, he's
one of the ones that's suffering from
that stupid [ __ ] alpha gal bite. He's
got that tick. He got bit by that tick
that makes you allergic to red meat. Is
it all red meat or processed red meat?
>> It's animal meat. It's mammal meat.
That's the thing. You could eat some
fish. Some people can eat fish. Some
people can eat chicken. He's broken it
down to only eating eggs right now.
That's how bad it is. He's getting all
of his protein from eggs, which is a
great source of protein, no doubt. But
um
>> that's exhaustingly boring, though.
>> Just go to dinner with him. It's crazy.
The guy has to eat vegetables and eggs.
That's all he can eat.
>> God, I would just mock him incessantly
to his face. I know you would.
>> I do.
>> Do you guys have a larger salad? Yeah. I
mean, I I would mock him that way
because I care for him so deeply. He is
truly like one of my closest friends. He
is he's an awesome dude.
>> Yeah. And so, he's been battling this
for a couple years now. So, he he got
clear of it and uh he was eating meat
again and he was fine and he thought it
was over. And then it came back. It came
back with a vengeance. And it's it's a
weird [ __ ] disease because I Let's
find out put this into perplexity. What
uh what is the most
what is as far as like the documented
cases of this alpha gal syndrome? When
did it first uh start occurring in the
United States? Cuz I had never even
heard about it until Evan when he told
me about it. I was like what? You got a
allergic to red meat
>> and how can a tick bite cause it? I
mean, Lyme disease is another one. Like,
how does it do that? A bite from a tick
just jacks up the human body.
>> Well, apparently Lyme disease has
existed. There's been forms of Lyme
disease throughout history, but there's
real solid evidence that Lyme disease,
which is named Lyme disease because of
Lyme, Connecticut, is related to Plum
Island where they were doing bioweapons
research on ticks.
>> It's historically good idea
>> and it's right there. It's like
literally right there. And then the the
the prevalence of Lyme disease on the
East Coast is [ __ ] outrageous. It's
outrageous how many ticks carry this
[ __ ] thing. I know so many people
that have Lyme disease.
>> And that's a lifelong one, too, right?
Like you're not getting off that train
if you you manage the system.
>> You can cure it. You can cure it. People
have cured it. And they've particularly
cured it if they get on antibiotics very
quickly. So, um, one of the weird things
about Lyme disease is it the bite has
like a little target around it. It's
weird. It's like it it almost looks like
a bullseye because the infection as it
grows there's a red circle around the
bite and if that's and but that goes
away within a few days but if that's
recognized you bring it to a doctor they
get you on antibiotics you can actually
get off of it depending on the severity
of your case obviously. So here it is.
Alpha gal syndromes appear to have first
emerged in the US in the late 1980s but
was not recognized as a distinct tick
related meat allergy until the early
2000s. So in ' 89, clinicians in Georgia
uh collected about 10 cases of delayed
allergic reactions to mamalian meat,
mamalian mamalian mamalian meat and link
them to prior tick bites. But these
observations were not widely recognized
at the time. Allergy was first formerly
identified as originating from tick
bites in the US by Thomas Plattz Mills
in the early 2000s. Reports note this
discovery process beginning around 2002
and becoming clear by 2007.
Huh. So the in the medical literature is
first described in 2009 when published
work documented patients with delayed
reactions to red meat and link them to
IG
uh against alpha gal. Interesting. So it
seems like it's in the 80s but really
started being recognized in the 2000s.
>> Explain. I mean he has definitely he's
slendered down quite a bit.
>> I mean he's lost I think he lost 10
pounds. I'm pretty sure he was wearing
his wife's pants at the MKC event. They
were very tight. Very tight.
Unacceptably tight. But that could be a
benefit. If you're the same size as your
wife and you have just one wardrobe, I'm
here for it.
>> That's nice. Yeah.
>> Yeah. It's efficiency.
>> Some of their shoes though are really
hard to walk around in.
>> I mean, you got to commit.
>> Yeah, I would imagine.
>> I mean, if Yeah.
>> When I go places with my wife and I'm
like, "What are you doing? You can't
walk. This is a crazy thing you're
doing.
>> It's not for walking for fashion. It's
for what my daughter would call the ste
which I think means style.
>> I didn't know that.
>> I didn't know. I'm actually not sure
that I'm using it correctly. She just
teaches me words and I throw them out at
random times. But I learned a lot.
>> Ste means style. I think
>> Yeah.
>> Ste. Okay.
>> Did you know about that one, Jamie?
>> The ste.
>> I probably heard it. I don't
>> I have never heard it
>> until this moment. At least I don't
believe so.
>> The ste.
>> Feel free to use it however you want to.
>> Yeah. Chicks wear stuff that they're so
vulnerable in. You can only take steps
that are less than 24 in wide
>> cuz you've got a dress that like
clinging to your knees, which is very
odd. Like it's like tight all around
here. So you've got these like short
steps and then the bottoms of your shoes
are slippery and then your heels are
elevated and then the the heel has a
point to it so it gets stuck in the
grass
>> just waiting to snap at the most
inopportune moment.
>> It's the dumbest [ __ ] of all time and
they're [ __ ] crazy expensive. The
whole thing makes no sense. Like what
are they doing?
>> They're trying to look good for us, Joe.
>> But they look good already. That's what
they don't understand. I think they're
looking good for themselves. I think
they look good without that [ __ ]
>> I would agree.
>> Uh yeah, a hot chick in flipflops. No
one's going, "God, I wish you was
wearing some shoes that you couldn't
walk around in."
>> She might even be more approachable if
she was in flip-flops because you'd be
like, she's like maybe more down to
earth.
>> Maybe that's what they're going for.
They're going for not approachable.
trying to keep the [ __ ]
>> Doesn't that defeat the overall end like
long endound purpose?
>> No. You're trying to get dudes that are,
you know, willing to take a chance,
>> you know,
>> on what?
>> On a gal that's unapproachable, like you
have enough confidence in yourself that
you'll step up to an unapproachable gal.
>> Nope, not me. Hard pass.
>> Hard pass.
>> Too much work. I'm willing to do some
things that people think are odd, but
yeah, I'm hard. That's a hard pass.
>> Yeah, I know. But it's also it's like
you're not you're in line. There's a lot
of other dudes approaching that too,
>> probably.
>> So now then it's like a you're in an
audition process.
>> [ __ ] all of that.
>> Boring.
>> Life is way too short for all that.
>> It's great for people who don't have
anything else to do if that's all you
want to do.
>> Nope.
>> Yeah, I'm not interested in that either.
>> Same. There's way too much other
exciting [ __ ] out there.
>> Yeah. But yeah, if you and your wife
wore all the same clothes, it would be
an issue. a good issue or bad? I mean,
if you're limited on time, we're gonna
we're gonna go on a trip. Let's just
bring a pair of pants. We'll switch.
>> I wonder what people did in the caveman
days.
>> I don't think they were wearing much.
>> Right. Were you wearing like some kind
of animal skins? It's basically a
oneizefits-all.
>> Yeah.
>> Tarpin cloth to throw over yourself.
Yeah.
>> Loin cloth to keep your dick from
getting caught in thorns.
>> And then a tarp.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Cutting edge at the time. I was reading
this story about these guys that were ex
exceptional marathon runners in uh in
Africa. And one of the things that they
did is this insane [ __ ] rights of
passage where they would circumcise them
with this
I don't remember the process, but it was
a particularly brutal process. They
slice the tip of their dick off and then
they would make them literally crawl
through thorns.
>> What the Yeah. Like the whole idea is
just like make you as hard as humanly
possible. And these guys, they were
pointing to this one tribe as developing
exceptional marathon runners because
these guys had such high pain tolerance
and such like willingness to go through
horrific or
>> what is it? Here it is. Initiation.
>> Okay. Um, so he says he had to crawl
mostly naked through a tunnel of African
stinging nettles. Then he was beaten on
the bony parts of his ankle. Then his
knuckles were squeezed together. And
then the formic acid from the stinging
nettle was wiped onto his genitals. But
that was all just a warm-up. Early one
morning, he was circumcised with a sharp
stick. That's what it is. A stick.
Stick. During this whole process, the
crawling, the beatings, and the cutings.
Try to say that guy's name.
>> No.
>> Kip go. Kipgo.
>> Kipogi.
>> Kipgo. Kipogi was obliged. It sounds
like a Korean dish was uh obliged to be
absolutely stoical, unflinching. He
could not make a sound. Indeed, in some
of the versions of the ceremony, mud is
caked on the face and then mud is
allowed to drive. A crack appears in the
mud. Your cheek may twitch. Your
forehead may crimple crinkle. You get
labeled a kabet,
a coward. You get you labeled a coward
if your cheek crinkles
and stigmatized by the whole community.
Manners say that this is enormous social
pressure placed on your ability to
endure pain and is actually great
training for a sport like running where
pushing through pain is so fundamental
to success. Circumcisions, he says,
teaches kids to withstand pressure and
tolerate pain. Manor says he thinks this
distinct advantage conferred on athletic
kids who grew up in a pain embracing
society as opposed to western pain
avoiding one. Interesting.
>> Yeah.
>> What is this? Where is this at? In
Kenya.
>> Is it a Kenyon tribe? Yeah.
>> I mean, I'm going to be honest with you,
Joe.
>> Yeah. Kenyon.
>> If that's what they did to your people,
I would run pretty goddamn fast, too,
cuz I would want to get the hell out of
there.
>> Yeah. I think it's that. But I just
think, you know, you're joking
obviously, but imagine if that's the
norm. If that's your baseline, you're
like accustomed to that. That's the
worst thing that you go through and you
have to do it completely stoic
>> at a young age.
>> At a young age, you would develop some
insane tolerance to discomfort, which
>> I don't know if one time is enough,
though. I mean, like what they're
describing is horrendous, but true
tolerance and resilience and ability to
work through that stuff, I don't think
it's a singular event,
>> right? Not that marathon running is uh
an easy endeavor by any stretch. So,
they're continuing to do that. I mean, I
get what they're doing, that right of
passage, but holy hell. I mean,
>> Mhm.
>> that's pretty gnarly.
>> That's a thing that you you will see
from ex fighters and even ex-military
guys. Like, what they endured when they
were young was so brutal that as they
get older, they avoid any discomfort at
all. They get fat and they just want to
drink and be lazy. And you're like, "How
did you go from being that [ __ ] beast
to this slob?" And you know, they still
in their mind they're still a beast, you
know, because I did this and I was a
world champion and like big [ __ ]
belly.
>> Yeah. They can't see their dick when
they're naked anymore.
>> Weird. Uh it's I don't have any stats on
how
>> but it's because they stopped doing it.
>> Correct.
>> Right.
>> I mean, laziness affects everybody,
right? Everybody thinks that you come
from the special operations world and
you're defined by discipline for the
rest of your life. No, you're you're
still a human being at the end of the
day behind the curtain.
>> And yeah, gravity wants to keep guys
like that on the couch just as much as
everybody else.
>> Yeah.
>> But I think you realize the utility of
not allowing that to happen.
>> Some people do.
>> Some people do. I mean, that's true of
every occupation in life.
>> Sure.
>> You know.
>> Yep. Yep.
>> Maybe it's a little bit more uncommon
for people to see those that came from
that one of those occupations, but yeah,
they're out there.
>> Yeah. I think that's probably in
everything in the medical world. I'm
sure there's guys that like really paid
attention in college and then they're
kind of halfassing it as doctors.
>> Yeah, for sure.
>> Yeah. It's like the difficulty of the
grind. Sometimes you get through it and
then you just go, I don't want to ever
[ __ ] do that again. Like I know guys
who are former Navy Seals will not get
in a [ __ ] ice bath.
>> Yeah, I'm one of those. Hi, nice to meet
you.
>> Why would I consensually do that?
>> No. No. And I also wish that they could
make a sauna that was just room
temperature but had all the health
benefits.
>> See, sauna doesn't bother me at all.
>> I can tolerate that one way more than
exceptionally cold water, which it's I
understand the health benefit.
>> I'm willing to pass on that particular
health benefit to a it's emotional for
me. I just don't want to do that
anymore.
>> I get it. Yeah,
>> I get it. But what when I get to the
cold plunge, there's a the [ __ ] in me
is so loud. But when I get to the sauna,
there's no [ __ ] It's like just get in.
It's like I know it's gonna suck. About
20 minutes in, it'll suck. For the last
five minutes, it's really gonna suck.
>> But the first 10 is easy. I just
high-five my inner [ __ ] at the cold
plunge and turn around.
>> Like, why don't you take a lap in that
thing? I'm done with it.
>> I almost don't do it every day. Every
day I almost don't do it.
>> Yeah, it's harder emotionally than it is
physically. And uh
>> it's weird because after a minute, it's
not that bad. After one minute, it's
like you just kind of you develop like
sort of a relaxation and you're cool.
That's fine. Especially if you do it a
lot,
>> but the first 10 15 seconds are just
like, what am I doing? You just want to
get out. You just want to quit. Like,
get me the [ __ ] out of this 34 degree
water with ice up to my neck. [ __ ] this.
This is so stupid. I don't have to do
this.
>> Yeah. Hey, you feel like you're having a
heart attack,
>> but then you just chill. And then when
you get out, you're like, you feel so
good. It's so worth it.
>> Or don't do it.
>> Just leave it empty.
>> Use it to store tennis balls or
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Apparently, there's real data that it's
harder for women. It's harder for women
to tolerate extreme cold weather, cold
temperatures in water, apparently.
>> Interesting. I don't know why.
>> Yeah, they even recommend like women's
cold plunges be slightly warmer than
men's.
>> H,
>> you know,
I don't know.
>> Yeah, that's the way that would be.
>> I don't know. Something about their
physiology that it might actually be
detrimental to do 34 degrees. That see
if you can find any data on that. You
know who's a great what's her name?
Suzanne Soberg, she's the one who
created the Soberg principle. She's one
Hubberman cites all the time.
Um, but I think there's something to do.
Maybe it's less muscle mass. You know,
your body has a more difficult time
heating itself up and, you know,
creating a thermal barrier. I don't
know.
>> Hubman is an example of a guy that I
deeply respect but struggle to
understand what he's saying.
>> Here it is. Uh, is this Suzan's? Did you
put this in perplexity? just asked
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>> Aha. Especially those in I don't know
what that is. Ludal phase.
>> It's Yeah. Their uh cycle.
>> The cycle. Oh.
Uh when progesterone is higher. So
extreme cold could be more stressful.
Very cold plunges near ice 35 to 45
degrees can cause big symptom
sympathetic and cortisol spikes that may
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finding a [ __ ] clinician that
understands cold plunges, though.
>> And there's a picture of me in the lower
right.
>> It's probably what I look like when I
get my toe in. I just don't like it,
man.
>> Don't do it. You don't
>> hydrophobic, I think, is the correct
term.
>> You suffer enough. You suffer enough.
Um, so this book, the title is
drownproof. And you were saying before
we got started,
>> um, how many Navy Seals wind up
drowning? Yeah.
>> And, uh, that it's actually kind of
shocking.
>> It would be for a community that is
supposed to have their roots in a
maritime environment. I mean, the SEAL
community draws its origins from the
UDTs and the Scouts and Raiders. And
honestly, up until 911, it was one foot
in the water and one foot on land. Like
every operation would start in the water
and then you could go onto the land but
you'd probably go back into the water.
And almost all of the training we did
911 was based around water. Um and I
think let's see Jamie you could look
this up. Uh two seals recently drowned
on a shipboarding uh real world
shipboarding. Uh one guy it seems like
in the climb peeled off the ladder and
went into the water and somebody saw him
and went in with him because of the
concept of being a swim buddy. Never to
be seen again. Oh
>> yeah. Um
>> do they know what what happened to them?
Like how
>> I mean it's uh Yeah. 2024 in the Arabian
Sea. Uh
>> oh. So he fell off a ship.
>> Yeah. So they were approaching a vessel.
I mean there's a couple ways that you
can get on a boat. You can come from a
boat and you can climb up or you can go
to from a helicopter and fast rope down
or they could land depending on how big
the boat is. So they were coming up
alongside. It's it's called an underway
or a VBSS. Visit board search and
seizure is the technical military term
for it. And on the climb up the ladder,
um, the guy peeled off, fell off the
ladder and another one went in with him
as his swim buddy. If they immediately,
and there was, and it maybe still is an
ongoing investigation from my
understanding, they saw their head maybe
one time up and then they were gone.
Their bodies were never recovered. So
that would seem to be that they were
wearing negatively buoyant equipment.
So, they were drugged down and they
probably were not able to activate their
uh life jackets in time, which is super
unfortunate. But the water doesn't give
a [ __ ] who you are and how much of a
badass you are. I think it's one of the
most gnarly environments on Earth.
>> It really is. Every time I go in the
ocean and I swim in the ocean, there's
this feeling like I think I can make it
to shore, but I might not be able to.
Like if you jump off of a boat and
you've got like a couple hundred yards
to shore. Yeah,
>> as you start swimming, you start
swimming like, I'm fine. I'm fine. Oh
boy, my heart is going pretty fast here.
I'm breathing pretty heavy. That's a
long way. I'm moving very slowly.
>> Yeah.
>> Like, what if I can't do this?
>> These are real positive thoughts to have
mid swim here, Joe.
>> Yeah. Not good. Not good. Yeah. It's
only happened to me a few times, but you
know, my friend Greg actually had to
save a woman. He was on vacation. and
you saw a woman getting caught in the
tide and she was getting pulled out and
>> Oh, like a rip tide.
>> Uhhuh.
>> They never Those things will pull people
out never to be seen again. People don't
So I live up in northwestern Montana and
a lot of the Flathead Lake, the largest
freshwater lake west of the Mississippi
is right where I live.
>> And Glacier National Park, tons of
snowfall and so it's glacially fed
rivers that feed into Flathead National
Forest or not Flathead National Forest,
the Flathead Lake. And boating is a huge
summertime activity and it people come
travel from all over the world to come
to Montana to see G&P Glacier National
Park and every year people are drowning
in these rivers and I don't know it's
dangerous but it can be avoided but it
seems as if they just do not have
respect for even medium moving water.
They have no no exposure to it. They're
not used to be ining to being in that
water and they don't look at it and
realize like that'll kill me. so
incredibly fast and every year people
are going into that thing and dying
every year.
>> Well, it makes sense also that it's so
[ __ ] cold. That water is you're got
glacier streams.
>> Yeah.
>> It's like Remy rescued a lady from that.
You know, Remy Warren Yeah. Remy
actually saw a boat uh that had capsized
and saw like gear floating by and saw a
woman that was struggling and I believe
her partner died. No, I'm sure her
partner died. and and he jumped in
freezing cold river and rescued her. And
he was like, there's a bunch of moments
during there was like I am not going to
make it. I'm going to die trying to save
this lady.
>> Which happens when people get close to
that point, you they're going to in your
best attempt to save them, they will try
to use you as a life raft, climb all
over you, and the next thing you know,
two people are gone instead of one,
>> right?
>> Yeah. The water the water will eat your
lunch, man. It's it's wild.
>> But you would think we spend so much
time training in the water that it
wouldn't happen. There's I mean there's
diving accidents. There is there are uh
deaths in training. Um
>> how often does that occur? Deaths in
training.
>> Oh, probably about every 5 years. And uh
it sucks. And what I'm about to say
people won't understand, but I also
think it's essential.
I don't want it to happen, but I think
it probably is essential that it does
every once in a while
>> because the training has to be so
difficult that you get to the brink. You
have to train people for the job that
they're going to be asked to do. And the
training
standards need to be a directly
downstream reflection of what the career
is going to be.
>> And and I and I I don't have the
vocabulary to describe how bad I feel
for the families. And I'm, you know, I'm
not trying to minimize anybody's death,
but you will lose more people in the
real world execution of the job if you
don't make training that difficult than
you will by making it that dangerous,
knowing that it's going to be that
dangerous and that people will die. That
will have a positive impact on people
surviving the actual job itself.
>> That completely makes sense. Um, that's
just the realities of life. Yeah, some
jobs are very unique and some jobs have
very unique requirements and you have to
train for that or it's it's it's going
to either come from you on the the front
end of that or the or the tail end of
that. That's the balance of which one of
those are you going to focus on?
>> Which is why the lowering of standards
is so [ __ ] dangerous. And when it's
talked about like the lowering of
standards to make it fair for some
applicants, like there's no fair in that
job. I've never seen a bullet change
trajectory because uh it noticed what
you had between your legs and wanted to
go be more fair and equitable to
somebody else.
>> Yeah, it's it doesn't matter in those
moments.
>> Nor does the ocean give a [ __ ] Period.
>> No, I don't believe it does. Does not
give a [ __ ] But it's it's so weird when
we try to apply these workplace equity
considerations to something that's is
like lit I can't think of a job that
requires more of you than war. Like
there is there's this is literally life
or death and taking life. There's no
there's no job that requires more of
you. And so you would just automatically
assume the standards, especially for
special operations guys, have to be the
most stringent possible. You have to
weed out all the [ __ ] Like you can't
have any [ __ ] in you at all. There's
got to be none. No quit, no nothing. And
that's there's only one way to do that.
It has to you have to make a bunch of
people quit.
>> A lot of the times the people who are
bottomlining the policy changes don't
have a direct impact in the training
pipeline themsel or the execution of the
job,
>> which is crazy.
>> Yeah. I mean, the military is a
bureaucratic system. Even in the special
operations world, even at like the
J-sock level, people would be it never
really makes the movie the amount of
paperwork that you end up doing. Like
you go on a trip and you have to collect
your receipts and do your travel claim
and all this other BS. It's all just
[ __ ] blowing up and you know, you throw
a grenade and it's a fireball the size
of a 55gallon drum of gasoline and yeah,
then there's two days sitting in front
of a computer typing out all of your
administrative stuff because of all the
bureaucratic restraints that are still
involved in all of that. That doesn't
seem smart.
>> Uh it's just the way the military system
works.
>> Now, is that to
somehow or another mitigate potential
actions that should not have been done
because you have to be so documented.
Everything has to be so laid out. Like
>> I mean there's a lot of even like the
equipment that you wear oftent times
well almost all of it is going to be
serialized. So you were issued that
equipment. You're responsible for it.
There's paperwork that goes for being
issued that if you lose it, which does
happen, and it's not going to be career
ending, like if if you went out for a
week in a row and you're like, "Hey, I
uh lost my night vision goggles again.
I'm gonna need another set of those."
You might have a problem. Uh but [ __ ]
happens and people lose gear. But, you
know, night vision, weapons, ordinance,
ammunition, like a lot of that stuff is
serialized. And so, it's just the
bureaucratic way that even at that
level, you still have to keep track of
all of that stuff.
>> You think they should hire somebody else
to do that? They do, but oftent times
you are in small units very isolated by
yourself and so you still have to
maintain like even in the middle of
nowhere, you're still going to have to
maintain the paperwork aspect of all the
stuff that you take with you.
>> God, that's kind of crazy.
>> Yeah,
>> that seems like an unnecessary
distraction to an already very insanely
difficult job.
>> I mean, I'm not saying we do the
paperwork well.
>> I mean, come on, Joe. There's a reason
why the DoD has never passed an audit,
but I mean, ever.
God, I know the Pentagon, like how many
years in a row has the Pentagon failed
their audits?
>> Like 700.
>> It really is kind of bonkers.
>> I believe the Marine Corps is the only
branch of the military that has ever
actually done a legitimate audit and
passed.
>> Really?
>> Those guys are tightened up, man. Those
guys, God, I love Marines. They are the
best.
>> Shout out to the Marines.
>> They are the best, man.
>> Wow. They the only guys who pass the
audits. That's crazy.
>> Yeah. Yeah. The rest of us are just out
there like
I think I got it with me.
>> But the problem with that is once you
don't pass audits and there's a history
of you not only not passing audits but
not being punished for not passing
audits, that opens up the door.
No. The Pentagon has never passed never
passed a full clean departmentwide
financial audit of as of the latest
audits. Defense Department is the only
one of 24 major federal agencies that
has never passed a full financial audit.
Hell yeah.
>> So, it's only been going on since 2018.
So, no big deal, guys. It's only eight
years.
>> Yeah, that's only a few trillion
dollars.
>> Whatever. Whatever. It's fake money
anyway. They just make it. Uh, that's
pretty crazy.
>> Well, the budget is interesting in the
military. So, they go off a fiscal year
from October 1st. And look at this. Hold
up. Look at this statistic. The
Pentagon's own audit materials have
pointed to a target of around 2028
financial year to achieve to finally
achieve a clean departmentwide audit
contingent on fixing long-standing
accounting and systems problems. Imagine
if like the the IRS calls you up and
says, "Andy, uh, you didn't pass your
audit. You I think I can get it in 2028.
I'm on a lower trajectory towards this
target you want to be at. You want me
like this? I'm like this. I can get
there in about 2 years.
>> Yeah, they're like reasonable.
>> Let's just take all your money between
now and then.
>> Oh god. No, we don't need to do that.
Let's give you a bigger budget to work
with.
>> I wonder if that uh answer takes into
account what's going on currently in the
world because I feel like we're running
through some inventory that might have
to be tabulated.
>> Seems like there's probably a lot of uh
ordinance that's been a lot of it does
sit around for a while. So, there is an
argument to expending it. I am not in
any way, shape, or form.
>> It could go bad. It's like tomatoes. You
got to eat them.
>> Not exactly like tomatoes.
I suppose a grenade is slightly tomato
shaped, but
a J dam looks nothing like a tomato.
>> What do they do? What I mean, just I
don't know if this has ever happened.
What What do they do if whe whether it's
missiles or any weapons have been
sitting around too long and you
is there an expiration date?
>> There probably is. And uh I mean I've
been there when we have literally burned
like rifle ammunition, large stockpiles
of rifle ammunition.
>> Really? Yeah.
>> Because if it's sitting around too long,
there comes the possibility that it's no
longer effective.
>> Uh man, this was a while ago. I think it
was more that once we got issued it, we
were expected to expend it all. So we
were not allowed to take it back to base
with us. So we were
>> Oh, that's hilarious. Oh,
>> that's even dumber.
>> You want You want some funny stories?
Talk to Evan sometime. I bet you he's
had this experience. So, there's a uh a
weapon called the Carl Gustaf that if
you shoot too many of these things, it's
in the manual, it'll start separating
the lining in your lungs from your body
because you're just it is just this
massive
projectile and you'll go out and do
these training evolutions and they'll
say, "Yeah, here we are. The Carl G, do
not stand behind this bad boy when it
goes off."
>> So, how many can you shoot before it
separates the linings of your lungs? I
believe the warning is somewhere around
six.
>> Jesus Christ.
>> Oh, Joe, you'll go out to training
evolutions and there'll be five guys and
there's a pallet of ammunition and
they'll say, "You're not leaving here
until all these are shot."
>> Oh my god.
>> And you're you're cracking off Carl G's
until you have a nose bleed. Or you'll
go out there, they have like law rockets
or uh you know uh when I first went
through was M60 ammo. They're like,
"Yeah, but you guys the training is not
over until you guys shoot all this."
Like, "Yeah, but we totally did
everything we're supposed to." Yeah, we
understand that. But just go ahead and
lay down on the line and shoot these
thousands of rounds of ammunition at
whatever you want to because it's been
issued to you. So now you need to go
expend it.
>> Can you show me one of those things
going off, Jamie?
>> Carl G's. I want to see what what it
looks like.
>> I'm trying to talk my wife into naming
our next dog Carl G.
>> I shot a 50 caliber once and I was like
>> like a Barrett.
>> Yeah. I was like,
>> how'd that feel?
>> Boom. Like your whole body just goes
boom.
>> Yeah. So, this is a twoman evolution
here. Look at the size of that bad boy.
>> [ __ ]
>> Close it. Lock it. He's checking the
back blast. This guy's like, "Fuck, I'm
about to lose my teeth."
>> Here we go. Oh, did you shoot it?
>> Yeah.
>> Oh, I didn't see it.
>> It's supposed to be essentially
recoilless. It doesn't feel
>> Why didn't they show it?
>> They did.
>> Will it show it again?
>> That's That's the uh back blast right
there.
>> Oh, yeah. So, he doesn't even move.
>> Yeah.
>> Oh, when he was pulling the trigger,
that wasn't loaded. That was a fake shot
of him showing how you pull the trigger.
>> Oh, okay. We'll see if there's more
video. I just want a better shot of it
actually going off in his arms.
>> Let me see what it looks like.
>> Ready for fire.
>> Here we go.
>> Back area clear.
>> Well, he looks [ __ ] nervous. Yeah.
Look at him breathing.
>> Firing. Firing. Firing.
Oo.
>> Oh my goodness.
>> Oh yeah. Air burst. You can set these
suckers. You can twist the uh the
warhead to set a delay on the thing. You
can have it air burst. Like if they're
trying to play hide-and-seek with you on
a wall.
>> See, this is the argument for those
little robot dogs. Cuz you put one on
one of them little robot dogs and have
that thing shoot it. And that way you
don't have to lose the lining of your
lungs.
>> I don't know if a robot dog could handle
that thing.
>> Really? What about one of them big robot
dogs? I don't know if the answer is just
make it bigger. Probably. I'm sure
there's the size of robot dog that can
handle that.
>> I mean, you would imagine. I mean,
>> but then you would need a a friendly
other robot dog to reload it for him,
>> right? But that would be possible. That
would totally be possible. Or the robot
dog has like arms in the back.
>> Yeah,
>> that can do it.
>> Oh, that was a training round.
>> Nice little rifle barrel. Yeah.
>> Oh, that's crazy. That's cool to see.
What a great shot. Imagine standing
there taking that shot, though. [ __ ] all
that
>> as a dude's loading around into it. All
that reach the camera for that one.
>> Yeah. Good lord. Yeah.
>> No. Next time you're sitting down with
Evan, ask him like, "Hey, did you ever
>> at the end of Training Evolutions ever
have extra ordinance and ammunition that
you had to uh dispose of?"
>> That's crazy. They just make you blow it
up.
>> Yeah. His answer will be yes. Then he'll
just start laughing.
>> So, if you have to do it outside of
shooting, how do you do it?
>> You can blow stuff in place. Like you
can make a large pile of stuff and you
know layer
>> something at it.
>> Uh probably on fire.
>> You can actually light ammunition on
fire. It'll go off. And if outside
>> what direction?
>> Well, outside of it being compressed in
the chamber of a gun, which you know, if
you if you uh think of like an AR
platform rifle, when the round is in the
magazine, it gets pushed forward by the
bolt and it's being held by all sides
except for down the barrel. So all of
the pressure is pointed in that
direction, which is what propels the
bullet down the barrel. If you remove
that, it kind of just explodes in place.
I'm not saying it's safe to like stand
around and like have a beer while you're
watch like from me to you,
>> right?
>> We would be on the other side of a burn,
but it sounds like popcorn going off.
>> Oh, okay.
>> And then for other stuff, you can layer
explosive charges on top of it and
probably get all of it to go high.
>> God, it seems insanely wasteful. It
seems like you should be able to say,
"We achieved what we needed to achieve
in our training. Here is our excess
ordinance that we could use in the
future."
>> Mhm. Yeah. you just haven't spent enough
time around the military.
>> Uh well, that's been explained to me
about budgets that if you do not meet
your budget, you get in trouble because
then they can't ask for the same amount
of money next year.
>> So, I heard that every year that when I
was in and September was a fantastic
month to be in the military because
that's when they because the budget year
is October 1 to October 1. So September,
the bean counters really start taking a
look at what they have left.
>> And they'd say, I was a supply rep for a
short period of time, meaning I was I
was a little cog in the wheel of
supplying stuff to the guys. They're
like, "You need to spend $100,000 in the
next three hours on shoes,
which let me tell you, REI is happy to
take your money. REI.com will run that
card." And I and you always would hear
this,
>> if we don't spend it, we're going to
lose it. But I never actually saw that
tested. I don't know if you actually
would get in trouble.
They just always assumed that you would.
So you ran that sucker down to bankrupt
and then October 1st you're good to go.
>> Wow.
>> So here's a good question in terms of
like shoes.
>> When your missions involve a bunch of
different types of terrain, bunch of
different like is it do they favor a
lighter weight shoe that's more of an
all-purpose shoe? Because like I
couldn't imagine you would be wearing
like like a crispy mountain boot with
like high leather. Yeah,
>> it Well, so it depends.
>> You vary.
>> You got to have a wardrobe, Joe.
>> Right.
>> Being good at your job is second only to
looking good while doing your job. So we
trust me, I've sent people back to Hel
like your top and bottom are matching.
We're not doing this. Go change.
>> Really?
>> Yeah. You have to look the part. It's
equal to your professionalism and
tactical ability.
>> Interesting.
>> Yeah. Maybe perhaps I was a little bit
picky on that, but I don't I don't want
to clash on the battlefield. You need to
look good.
So like you can't have everybody looking
awesome and then what like you look like
[ __ ] Go change your outfit out.
>> Yeah, you have orange boots on, dude.
What are you doing?
>> Yeah. Uh the boots you could I mean you
take uh a Pelican case or a box, you
have a tool for every job. So if you're
going to go up in the mountains, if
you're going to go like northeastern
Afghanistan, you're going to wear a
different type of shoe for sure. If
you're in Iraq in an urban environment,
you're gonna wear probably the lightest
weight. Um, like the I forget who makes
them, but like the speed cross shoes.
Uh, and those things are I mean that you
might get two months out of those. So,
you'd bring a couple pair. You're going
to bring some uh footwear that if you
needed to go into the water, like not
swim around in the water, but pass
through water or
>> those like Solomon's is that Solomon
Specross or Yeah. And the soles on those
things, they don't last very long. But
again, when you get 100 grand to buy
shoes for 3 hours, you can buy, you
know, extras for people. So, you kind of
have a it's just like all the rest of
the gear. You have cold weather gear,
you have desert gear. And the coldest
I've ever been is actually in the desert
because of the super high high and then
the super that swing
>> was way colder than like in mountainous
terrain
>> like the moon.
>> Yeah. But I mean, so you when you lay
out your stuff like before every
deployment you get ready to go on,
you're laying your stuff out. You
probably have two tables like this with
all like desert,
woodland, cold weather, layering system,
shoes, different uh loadbearing
equipment, different back and then you
just lay it all out, put it into a bag,
and then you're doing the best you can.
Then you're kind of just packing, you
know, for what comes up in front of you.
>> And you're just ordering stuff from REI
for real
>> sometimes. Yeah.
>> Wow.
>> So, not everybody, not not everywhere.
The conventional teams are very limited
in their ability to do that. At a JSOK
level, you have a little bit more room
and flexibility to source from outside
vendors.
>> So, you would go for the best possible
tool for the job
>> 100% of the time.
>> Yeah.
>> Y
>> instead of just get military issue.
>> Correct.
>> Yeah.
>> I got the dumbest question for you about
this is the dumbest question. Um, have
you heard of the story of the Kandahar
giant?
Are we talking about an actual giant?
>> Uhhuh.
>> No.
>> How did you hear the story about a
candard giant?
>> There's a crazy thing called the
internet.
>> How did you have that?
>> I may spend less time on the internet
than you guys.
>> And if you have a good algorithm, and by
good, I mean [ __ ]
>> Yeah.
>> Uh you get So,
>> oh my visual representation, obviously
not an actual picture. Yes. So, there
was a story that uh what is the guy's
name that was on Jesse Michael's podcast
recently? Tim,
>> I don't remember. I'll check.
>> Uh so,
supposedly
there was a giant that engaged US troops
in Kandahar, Afghanistan, and uh in a
very remote area. And this guy was shot
and killed and medevaced out of there or
you know helicoptered out of there and
uh there 12 foot giant Tim uh Alberino
>> and he was is was he telling this story
as if he was there or he heard this?
>> There's never a guy who was there
stories. There's apparently one guy who
has his face covered up in one of these
videos that I watched is like one of the
blurry like you know like a a witness to
a mob scene. Yep.
>> And so his
>> that's how you know they're legit
>> 100%. Thank you. I think the same way.
That's why I sent it to all my friends.
Um, but he was telling the story from
people that he talked to that were
there.
>> See, and here's the thing. I want
stories like that to be true.
>> Me, too.
>> I still am just waiting. Same thing with
aliens. God, I so deeply want it to be
true. I just need somebody to hold up an
actual piece of evidence
>> and say, "This is what I'm talking
about." Instead of, "I saw I know
somebody who was read into. I had a
buddy who got engaged by a giant or they
like, okay, where is it?
>> Right.
>> And until then, I I got a real hard time
believing that.
>> Oh, I'm with you. But I also want to
believe, which I know clouds my vision.
>> I just think it makes you hopeful.
>> It gets me to a certain point and then
the po like there's a point where my
logic kicks in and I'm not willing to go
any further and that's Bigfoot.
>> Yeah. with Bigfoot. I'm like, I know too
many guys that are in the woods all the
time.
>> And let's not forget the game cameras
they often leave behind.
>> That's right.
>> Like millions of game cameras. Come on.
>> At this point, like I could have bought
it in the 1960s. Like maybe, who knows?
Before drones, before satellites, before
this, before that. And you know, there's
good arguments that you wouldn't find
the body because like you and I have
hunted in the mountains many, many
times. I've never seen a mountain line
skeleton. Have you?
>> No.
>> No.
>> No.
>> I don't know anybody who has. I've seen
mountain lions. I've never seen a
mountain lion skeleton. I've never seen
a bear skeleton. I'm sure people have
found them.
>> Yeah.
>> But I haven't. And we know there's a
[ __ ] ton of mountain lions and a [ __ ]
ton of bears. So, if there was a very
small population of primates, it's not
inconceivable that you wouldn't find
their body, especially if they were in
some way advanced to the point where
they were burying, they're dead, which
is, you know, it's not outside the realm
of possibility. If they have a language
of like, who knows what these things
are. Uh, but no, I just that doesn't I
think it used to be real and I think
there's real evidence of that.
>> I want it to be.
>> No, there's real evidence. There's a
thing called gigantopithecus.
It was a uh 8 foot plus tall bipeedal
homminid that existed in Asia and it's
in the orangutang family and there's
like uh recreations of what it looks
like standing next to a human. It's huge
but that just makes sense. I mean there
used to be giant woolly mammoths. There
used to be giant sloths. The the idea of
a giant primate is not inconceivable.
It's like size is all relative anyway.
our idea of what's big compared to a
[ __ ] giraffe or this it's all it
doesn't you know if you have enough
resources and there's enough food for
these things they live in a lush
tropical environment or a lush
wilderness environment it's not
impossible to think that something would
get way bigger than a gorilla but for
that thing to exist today so that oh god
>> yeah that's what it used to look like
>> so I think that is probably what all
these
ancient myths are based on that's
probably what used to exist. So it was
bipedal which is also interesting and
that's based on its jaw structure.
>> Here's a question for you that you uh
the species burying themselves. These
are intrusive thoughts that I have and
can't get out of my head.
>> Why don't we bury people vertically to
save space?
>> That's a good question.
>> Wouldn't you get more square footage? A
>> lot more.
>> Yeah.
>> Be harder to make a six foot tall hole
or you know for a tall person.
>> I feel like they make oil drills that
could I mean I'm not saying that they do
now. Yeah,
>> but back in the day it'd be easier to
someone's laid down just roll them over
into the hole.
>> I mean,
>> but because a 6ft deep hole that's like
6 ft long.
>> Joe, I'm not saying it's easy. I'm just
saying
>> in today's world, yeah,
>> I think we can evolve.
>> Well, here's even weirder. You know, you
have to imbalm people before you cremate
them.
>> Why?
>> Exactly. My friend Joey Diaz says it's a
racket because he knew a guy who ran a
funeral home.
>> The big inbalming market. Well, it's all
a racket. The whole funeral home thing
is a racket. They know, look, your
family member dies. You have to bury
your family member. You're in grief. And
then they try to sell you on some
[ __ ] fancy coffin. They sell you on
this and sell you on that. But the
imbalming is it's mandatory.
>> I did not know
>> at least for some places cuz I know that
some people are trying to do what they
call natural burials and I don't know
what the regulations are on like let's
find that out. Well, I'm already there
are upright they called upright burials.
It is a thing.
>> They do exist
>> in the US though or is this some like
Nordic country?
>> There's a cemetery that does it already
and I was trying to look up more
information on it.
>> Probably a bunch of cheapies who don't
>> already that I can give
>> I'm just thinking about like most of
them have fences so like maximum square
footage utilization.
>> Right. That makes sense.
>> Yeah.
>> The gravity's an issue a little bit.
Keeping it in the I don't know. There's
just stuff.
>> Gravity's an issue.
>> Gravity's not going to be an issue.
First off, once you're in that coffin,
nothing good's happening. So vertically
or horses. Oh,
>> how does it that doesn't make sense.
What kind of gravity is he just drop
them in the hole?
>> I think the family
>> be like this like like slide it down in
that hole.
>> I think they're saying the family
doesn't like the idea that they're going
to be compressed into a small amount in
the bottom of the coffin.
>> Not like a science issue. I think
>> Well, they're [ __ ] dead. You know,
you know, the the most gnarly way they
bury people or the most gnarly funeral.
>> Well, they're still alive.
>> No. Well, they're dead.
>> Well, I'm saying that would be the most
gnarly, right? Most gnarly postmortem is
the Tibetan sky funeral. Do you know how
they do that?
>> No.
Vultures. They literally break the body
up, chop it up into chunks, and the
vultures know it, and so they prepare.
So the vultures are all hanging around
waiting. Wow.
>> It is a a tradition in Tibet with at
least certain people to get rid of their
bodies that way. And the idea is that
look, the person's dead. this is a more
natural way, you know, and they'll cycle
back into the ecosystem the way it's
supposed to be with all animals. We're
the only animal that opts out of like re
rejoining with all biological life
because it's supposed to be a biological
body deteriorates underground that feeds
the soil that feeds you know whatever
animals feast on its bones and then
becomes all part of this big beautiful
cycle. And we're like, nah, we've got
some chemicals laying around we'd like
to fill the veins up with to make them
completely poison so that they never
deteriorate or they just slowly turn
into gelatinous sludge
>> by state it looks like.
>> Okay, so it says burial burial burial.
Why is that word weird to me right now?
Burial is uh regulated by state by state
uh city county zoning. There's no
federal rule that specifies body
position, horizontal versus vertical.
Um, what are the laws in terms of
imbalming?
Green or natural burial, simple shroud,
no vault, minimal disturbance is legal
in all 50 states, but only in locations
that comply with state and local rules.
>> Green or natural burial
>> from water sources would be a big reason
for that.
>> Oh, interesting. So, you don't want
people to rot. But what about cows? Cows
can rot, you know, like a dead coyote
just rots.
>> Yeah, but we don't want to eat people.
>> Yeah, but it's
>> drink them either,
>> I guess. Well, it didn't No, I was
watching this uh documentary about this
family where uh the kid, his dad was a
serial killer, and the dad would throw
people in a well, and he had to help him
when he was young. His dad would kill
people and then throw them down the
well. First time he did it, he said, I
think he was a young boy when his dad
first took him to get rid of a body and
throw it down a well.
>> Not all Yeah. How many people
>> bonding experiences are created equal?
>> How many people have died drinking well
water that was polluted by a dead body?
>> Hopefully not that many.
>> What' you find, Jamie?
>> No, I'm just That's disgusting.
>> Have you thought through your end of
life? Have Do you have uh Have you told
people?
>> I would like to not be embalmed. I would
like to just be buried in the ground and
be absorbed naturally like everything
else.
>> Do you have that written down anywhere
though?
>> No, I don't care. Once I'm gone, figure
it out or I don't give a [ __ ]
>> Well, there's an argument to help
figuring it out for those left behind so
it makes it easier.
>> I don't want to make things easier when
I'm gone. I want you I want it to be
complicated as [ __ ] I want them to be
arguing over my will.
Well, I I only asked because we had to
think through this stuff because you do
like a review of your will every time
and you know final requests I guess it
would be. So you had to think through
that stuff.
>> Jamie, top scroll.
>> Uh so for direct cremation, no public
viewing, cremation within a few days.
Body kept refrigerated. Inbalming is
generally unnecessary and not legally
required in most states. But the thing
is it's it's most of the time it's done
according to my friend Joey whose friend
at least it was in the past whose friend
ran a a funeral home. The guy was
telling him what a [ __ ] scam it all
is.
>> It's just you're just charging people
for all this stuff.
>> It probably it's just like anything
else.
>> Here it is. Many funeral homes require
inbalming for presentation and public
health reasons if you want a public
viewing or an open casket uh before
cremation.
Oh, who does that?
>> Some jurisdictions or airlines may
require inbalming for long distance or
international transport
>> or if there's a long delay before
commission. Well, that makes sense
>> cuz if you don't inbalm it, you're going
to stink up the whole [ __ ] plane. US
law jet I I mean, I'm sure you've
smelled dead bodies before, but the
first time I ever smelled a dead body, I
was a little kid and someone died in our
apartment building. It was crazy. You'd
walk down the hallway and the [ __ ]
smell that was it was me and my cousins
and my sister. We were walking down the
hallway like what is that? We were
probably like six. It was this insane
smell and it turned out this lady was
just living by herself died and so she
was just rotting in this apartment
building.
>> You think you still recognize it to this
day?
>> It's very unique.
>> Is it? Humans are very unique smell as
opposed to a regular animal. Well, the
the mechanism of death can change, I
guess, a little bit.
>> Sure.
>> But in general, Yeah. a couple days
later, like they all kind of smell the
same.
>> I've heard Yeah. I've heard humans are
uniquely gross in the way we smell.
>> Yeah. Yeah. It's not awesome.
>> Yeah.
>> Not awesome to be around him.
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So this inbombing thing, um, so is that
not the case? Like is it where funeral
homes request inbombing before they
cremate you?
Also, here's another scam. According to
my friend, when you think you get your
family member ashes, you you get a bunch
of [ __ ] You get a bunch of ashes. You
get ashes from some [ __ ] [ __ ] guy
you don't even know. They don't care.
They just shove a bunch of ashes into an
urn. and you're like, "It's grandma.
She's she's here with us forever." But
it's not really. It's like
>> I hope that one's not true. That's
gnarly.
>> Yeah, it's true.
>> It's like the epitome of laziness.
>> I'm pretty sure it's true.
>> The question as though if the
requirement was coming from funeral
homes instead of law and that court
says, "Yeah,
>> most of the time, yes, the requirement
to inbomb before viewing or before
cremation is coming from funeral homes
or cemetery policy." Right. So, they're
trying to make more money. So, this is
what Joey was telling me about. Yeah.
So, it's not a federal requirement. FTC
says inbalming may be necessary if you
choose certain arrangements like a
public viewing, but the necessity is
based on the funeral home standards, not
a blanket legal mandate. So, the most
people probably don't know that. So, the
funeral home will tell you, "Oh, we have
to inbomb them first."
>> And you're in a pretty uh susceptible
and malleable mind space.
>> Exactly. That time. Yeah.
>> And they're just really used to it.
They're really used to it. They must get
they must get so accustomed to just they
don't give a [ __ ] There's bodies there
every day. People are always dying. They
just it's an opportunity to make more
money which is rough.
>> Yeah. You would like to think that
humanity wouldn't be like that but yet
here we are.
>> Yeah. Find out if uh well the other
thing is like you remember that Sam
Kenisonson bit? I don't know if you you
ever saw it.
>> I know who Sam Kenisonson is. I'm not
very familiar with his bits. one of the
greatest of all time. But he had this
bit about homosexual necriliacs who were
caught spending uh paying uh a bunch of
money to be alone with the freshest male
corpse.
>> What?
>> And it was this it was an actual true
story that he read in the news. But his
whole thing was like, imagine you're on
the slab. You're like, well, I'm dead
now. I'm going to be with Jesus. And
hey, hey, what? And he would be like
rocking back and forth on his stomach.
WHAT IS THIS? IT FEELS LIKE SOME GUY'S
GOT HIS DICK IN MY ASS. YOU MEAN LIFE
KEEPS [ __ ] YOU IN THE ASS EVEN AFTER
YOU'RE DEAD? IT NEVER ENDS. IT NEVER
ENDS.
You comedians are a unique bunch. Let's,
you know,
>> I'm glad you just got to do it.
>> I'm glad there's somebody out there who
can weave a story like that together and
have a meaningful message at the end of
it.
>> But there are there have been cases of
people getting like hot girls that are
freshly dead and [ __ ] them, getting
caught. Yeah, because humans are
horrible. The vast m I I try to tell
myself that the vast majority of humans
are trying to do the best that they can.
But I never forget that there are people
out there who are like that.
>> Sure. Yeah. There's people out there
that are gross. They're they're just
evil. I I was reading about this guy who
is an oncologist who got arrested
because he was giving people
chemotherapy that didn't really have
cancer because chemotherapy is uniquely
profitable for doctors. Yeah.
>> It's very profitable. So he was telling
people that they had cancer and they did
not and he was giving them chemotherapy
which I have a friend who died recently
and uh he went through the first round
of chemotherapy went into remission and
uh the chemotherapy was so bad that when
the cancer came back he decided to just
die.
>> That's how my mom died. She had survived
cervical cancer. It metastasized into
her lungs 10 years later. got on the
chemo, which I don't know what is in
that stuff, but they, you know, the
platinum treatment, whatever it may be,
and had the realization that she was
either going to die from cancer or she
was going to die from the chemotherapy,
and she chose hospice just because the
ride on the chemotherapy was so horrible
that she couldn't take it anymore.
>> My friend said that the pain of brushing
his teeth was so intense, like the sores
in his mouth from the chemo, and that
once cancer went into remission and then
it came back. And by the way, this
cancer came very quickly after
vaccination. It was one of those where,
you know, you can get into that all day
long if you want to really get into a
deep conspiracy theory that's got some
real facts to it. But there's something
called SV40
and they found SV40 and some of the mRNA
vaccines. SV40 is Simeon virus 40 and
it's a virus that was contracted that
people got because they used kidney
cells from monkeys in order to uh
cultivate these vaccines.
This is like known about for a long
time. And um in certain batches they've
tested positive for SV40, which is like
some just legacy material that they have
that they make vaccines out of. And uh
he was one of the lucky ones.
>> Sucks, man.
>> A young dude, you know, he's in his 40s,
early 40s, fit, young guy. Cancer came
on like a [ __ ] tidal wave.
>> Just a freight train mowed him down. How
much time did he have between diagnosis
and death?
>> Well, I got him connected with uh Gary
Brea and Gary Brea helped him quite a
bit and that's how he uh originally got
through it and it got over it. He was
okay again and you know went into
remission. and he said he's feeling
pretty good and then man wasn't more
than a year and a half two years later
it came back with a vengeance
and um he was dead just you know six six
months later it change how you view life
your own life when that happens close to
you
>> it's just shocking that healthy fit
people get something like that so and it
happens so quickly you know this is I
you know like I said my suspicions is
it's connected to the vaccine
>> and uh don't I don't think that
everybody who got that mRNA vaccine is
going to die of cancer. That's I I think
it's a contamination issue that some of
the batches had it and some of the
batches didn't. But and then some people
react very differently to whatever
whatever's in it. But with him, man, it
got him. And it's not uncommon. There's
there's a shitload of ignored cases of
what they're calling turbo cancer that
people have gotten after the mRNA
vaccine. Like it's it's barely a
conspiracy theory. It's more likely an
ignored inconvenient fact that these
pharmaceutical drug companies are trying
to ignore. Do you think they were trying
going upstream from that the
pharmaceutical companies or people that
were pushing to try to find what perhaps
they thought would be the fix to the
solution? Do you think that they were
doing the best that they could and just
their enthusiasm outstripped their
capabilities or they pushed stuff a
little bit too early or was it as deep
of as a conspiracy that people think and
that behind the scenes they're trying to
reduce overall global population?
>> I don't go that way. I don't go to the
reduce overall global population, but I
do understand why people would think
that because there are there have been a
bunch of people that are supposedly
philanthropists, Bill Gates that have
talked about reducing overall population
being a goal and that goal could being
like Bill Gates is actually quoted
saying that that goal could be achieved
through vaccines like like what the [ __ ]
does that mean? Reducing global
population through vaccines. How? Well,
one way is the what is it? DDP or DTP
vaccine
diptheria something and percussus.
Um, so they were caught in Africa. One
of the vaccines that they were using on
women in Africa uh turned out it's
tetanus, right? diptheria, tetanus and
percussus
had hCG in it which is uh an endocrine
disruptor. I don't know what's the exact
specific description of it, but it what
it's essentially doing was rendering
these women infertile. And so they were
supposedly
um vaccinating them for tetanus and
these other diseases, but really what it
was doing was they were making these
women infertile and they were
experimenting on them. And they were
doing this in Africa. you know, they
they like to experiment in places where
not a lot of people are watching and
there's not a lot of infrastructure and
not a lot of internet connection and
they can you know get away with trying
stuff on people. So this this concept of
reducing population through vaccination
there's some realw world examples of
people doing that but you know why I
don't know I don't think that I think if
you find out about how much money was
generated during the the vaccine
pandemic during the COVID pandemic.
>> Yeah.
>> That is the most likely scenario. They
were just trying to make an enormous
amount of money.
>> Do you remember that you and I did the
first podcast after the lockdown in LA?
Yeah.
>> And then I drove I drove with my wife
down to San Diego and I don't think she
had been because we got to San Diego in
about 17 minutes.
There's
>> no one on the road.
>> And I remember saying to her, "If we
come back, which we will, don't expect
this." It was like a ghost town. But we
we were in LA the day that it locked
down. I remember texting you like, "Um,
are we good?" You're like, "Yeah,
YouTube says we're essential. Let's
roll.
We're essential." Yeah,
>> that was what was crazy. There was
essential businesses that were allowed
to stay open. Restaurants weren't one of
them, [ __ ] insanely enough, but fast
food places were. Um, so there was
certain places that were essential and
media was essential, so we were allowed
to. Although we did get ratted out, the
health department came to our um LA
studio and uh they made us put a bag of
masks on the wall when you go in and
also a note that shows like all the
precautions that you have to take place
like stand 6 feet apart. And then they
people were also complaining that this
table's not 6 feet wide and so we
weren't observing the proper proper
social distancing. So I said, "Okay,
well why don't we just do this and you
do that and we'll do a pocket."
>> Oh yeah, we're six feet right here.
>> Now we're six feet. No, we're good here.
It's like it's it and then it turns out
that that was all made up. It was all
horseshit.
You know, it's the who song. We won't
get fooled again. You know,
>> I want to believe that they were trying
to do the best that they could.
>> I don't believe that.
>> I said I want to believe.
>> Yeah. I don't I don't even want to
believe that.
>> But then what do we do about it?
>> We never listen again. We never
>> What if they're right the next time? Is
>> I don't think they will be. Um, I don't
think they're ever right with that kind
of stuff, especially something that's
not killing everybody as they said it
was. They were just gaslighting us all
over television that people are dropping
like flies and especially egregiously
disgusting is gaslighting us about
children dying from it.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, and there's a lot of really
[ __ ] shitty human beings that were
posting about this on Twitter. And I
don't know if they are being paid to do
it or if they're just ideologically
captured, but there was a lot of people
on Twitter talking about children dying
from COVID. It's a [ __ ] dirty lie.
There was a very small amount of kids
that died during the pandemic and those
kids, all of them had something wrong
with them already. All of them had
co-orbidities, which is like also a
giant percentage of all the people that
died period. It's like what is the
number? It's like 75% of them something
like that had four plus coorbidities.
>> Four coorbidities is crazy. Yeah.
>> It's like you're already [ __ ] That's
means four things that are already
killing you, you know.
>> Yeah. Do you think we learned anything
during that time period?
>> Yeah. I think we learned that the
pharmaceutical drug company has a lock
on the media that is very disturbing.
Like the media did not report at all
vaccine injuries. They didn't report of
it at all. It was never discussed.
People were dropping dead. They were
ignoring it and gaslighting. And then we
also found out the amount of money that
these pharmaceutical drug companies pay
to these corporations, whether it's Fox
or NBC or CBS or whoever it is in
advertising. It's a huge part of their
budget is advertising money. And the way
Cali means explained it to me, he goes,
"It's not so that people find out about
the drugs, it's so that these news
stations don't criticize the
pharmaceutical drug companies."
>> Well, if they control the ad inventory
and then the the checkbook behind that.
>> Exactly.
>> Yeah. Exactly.
>> Do you ever do you ever do uh
pharmaceutical type type reads for your
show?
>> No. No. I say no to them.
>> I only say yes to dick pills.
>> Dick pills I'll say yes to. like get
hard.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I'm down with that. Well,
see, I'm not anti-farmaceutical drug
company, but I am that the problem with
corporations is they have an obligation
to their shareholders to make the most
amount of money possible.
>> And it's not the people that are making
these things that the people that are
making them, these doctors and engineers
and scientists, all these wizards that
are coming up with all these life-saving
medications. Then you get the money
people. And the money people are the
ones that [ __ ] everything up. Because
the money people say, "You know what? We
could charge $1,000 a pill for this
stuff." You know, there's certain
medications that literally cost $1,000 a
pill, you know, and they just try to
make the most amount of money possible
and prescribe it to the most amount of
people possible. And then you get
monsters like this cancer doctor that I
was telling you that was giving
chemotherapy to people that don't
[ __ ] have cancer.
>> So, how do we break that system, though?
>> Hammers. Take that guy in a room. Take
that guy in a room. just keep him alive.
Slowly break him down with a hammer.
Start with his toes.
>> But I feel like
>> work your way up to his hips.
>> I feel like it's so deeply entrenched
in our political system as part of it as
well too that the money transfer. How do
you break that?
>> It's hard
>> and detach that.
>> AI god. AI god has to come alive. Take
over the system.
>> Now we're really getting into terrain. I
don't understand. I know what the word
AI means. I don't know what
>> AI god. The one that created that Jesus
meme that Trump just posted. That's AI
God. Joe, I told you. He explained it.
He was a doctor.
>> That's what they call them. That's what
AI god calls Jesus. Jesus is a doctor.
>> The mental gymnastics
involved in some of these people who are
so ideologically captured.
>> Yeah.
>> Is shocking to me.
>> It's weird. It's weird because there's
no way there should be this kind of
money in politics. There's no way it'd
be good for anybody if the people with
all the money are controlling most of
the things that happen. It doesn't make
any sense because they're just they're
all sick anyway. They just want more. If
you're worth $200 billion and you're
still trying to make more money, that's
what you're trying to do with your time.
Well, you're sick. There's something
wrong with you. There's like what are
you doing with that money? How is it
possible that you could spend all that
money?
>> Isn't the answer for some people or the
the dollar figure that they're shooting
for just more though?
>> Always. my friend. Well, you know Brian
Ken, Brian Kalen uh has a friend who's
worth $3 billion and he feels poor
because his friend is worth 80 billion.
>> Imagine that. Imagine feeling insecure.
>> You have $3,000 million.
You feel insecure. You feel poor.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Because he's eating ramen at night. Let
me just tell you. Bothersome.
>> Yeah. Mac and cheese and ramen out of
the microwave.
>> I feel poor when I'm around Elon.
>> Yeah. Yeah, but um
>> jokingly
>> but also everybody on earth probably
does.
>> But it's jokingly feel poor. Like I
don't really feel bad for myself or
insecure about the fact that he's got a
>> What does he got?
>> He's getting close to a trillion.
>> He's like worth 800 billion on paper.
>> Yeah.
>> Until California taxes get a hold of
him. They'd like to suck all that dry
and give it to the homeless people.
>> Well, they're doing good. Their program
would work if we gave them a little bit
more money.
>> That's all they need. They just need
that wealth tax. If they could just
siphon off some money from the
billionaires. That's the real problem is
they don't have enough money.
>> Are you glad you left?
>> [ __ ] yeah. [ __ ] yeah.
>> You've been here what?
>> Six years.
>> Six years. Yeah.
>> Almost six years.
>> I've been in Montana from nine.
>> Nice.
>> I can't think of a reason that I'm going
to leave.
>> I really can't. It is amazing.
>> Well, Montana's got so much going on for
it. First of all, there's less people,
which is relaxing. You feel better.
>> 1.1 million people in the state.
>> That's all of Austin.
>> That's probably a subdivision. in
Austin.
>> Well, it's Austin is a million and then
the surrounding area is another million.
>> We just had a f a net decrease in
population in Montana last year. You're
right.
>> Yeah, because all those [ __ ] people
that came over because of Yellowstone,
they went through a couple of winters
>> and co they're like, "Yeah, this sucks.
We're out." Or that remote work job was
like, "Hey, time to come back to the old
office."
>> Also, you try driving an electric car
when it's [ __ ] 30 below zero outside.
That [ __ ] is, "Oh, it says you got 200
miles. Guess what? You got 30.
>> There is one cyber truck where I live.
>> It's not mine.
>> I bet it's a rich guy.
>> He owns a Thai food restaurant.
>> There you go.
>> Which I mean, I don't know what level of
wealth associated with that.
>> Probably got some money.
>> Yeah. Honestly, it might be money
laundering. There's what he specializes
in. It's hard to say. So, might have a
nail salon or two under his umbrella as
well.
>> They're great when it's warm out. Yeah.
>> But they the battery life significantly.
Do you remember I think it was Chicago
or Detroit? There was a few years back
there was a giant blizzard that hit and
people with electric cars their cars
died on the highway
>> and they were really [ __ ] Yeah.
Really [ __ ] cuz
>> look if you have full tank of gas and
you're idling just idling on the highway
last pretty long time especially if it's
diesel. Jeez.
>> Oh, you'll get 24 hours out of it.
>> 100%. Yeah. So, you'll survive. If you
have a [ __ ] electric car and you get
stuck on the highway and it's just
bumper to bumper forever and that thing
is the only thing keeping you warm, you
better pray that someone lets you in
their car.
>> Yep.
>> Cuz you're going to die out there.
You'll freeze to death in your own
[ __ ] car.
>> I like the concept of them. You know,
>> I drove one today there. It's a time
machine. I have a Tesla Model S. The the
the
>> highly Don't you have like a highly
modified one though as well?
>> Oh, yeah. I was going to say it might
say Model S on the outside, but
>> yeah.
>> Well, the speed is the same as the
standard one. The speed is exactly the
same cuz they don't do anything to the
engine because it already has,00
horsepower.
>> Do they like widen yours some?
>> It's the track is widened. It's got a a
much more robust suspension setup. It's
got carbon fiber fenders. There's a
company called Unplugged Performance and
they take it and they just it just
handles phenomenally and the brakes are
way better. So, it does that. But the
the thing about it is the speed. That's
just insane. Like when you merge onto a
highway, it's a time machine. You just
hit the gas like and it's no sound. So
it's
and all a sudden you're going 90 miles
an hour like like that. It's nuts.
>> We're into different things, Joe. I'm
going to stick with my F150.
>> I like those, too. I have one of those.
I have a Raptor.
>> I have a Hennessy Raptor.
>> I don't have that model.
>> Yeah. So, I like a Raptor, but I like
one with a 1000 horsepower.
>> First off, who doesn't?
>> I just don't like the price tag
associated with the 1000 horsepower one.
>> It's a little pricey, but I was on the
phone the other day cuz, you know, it's
got the speaker phone thing. So, I'm on
the phone with my friend Tommy and I'm
driving. He goes, "Yo, what the [ __ ] are
you driving?"
>> A dinosaur.
>> You could hear the
>> and the the the supercharger wine. It's
awesome. But I get it. It's not for
everybody, but if you drive one, just
the ability of those things, just the
the insane capability, the ability to go
0 to 60 in under two seconds is just
nuts.
>> Yeah.
>> For a four-door sedan,
>> you know how to drive though.
>> Some people probably are better off not
getting into a car that can do that.
>> Well, that's what's weird, right? So,
like if you want like say if you want to
get a concealed carry license, you have
to go to a range and you have to
demonstrate that you know how to use a
gun correctly.
>> Are you talking about here in Texas?
>> Yeah, in Texas
>> because Montana is a constitutional
carry state.
>> Well, it's constitutional carry here as
well, but still concealed carry, you get
reciprocity.
>> So, if you have concealed carry, you get
reciprocity in Florida, Nevada. Uh, so
if you get a concealed carry license in
Texas, you can go to places where, you
know, they're only maybe they don't even
have concealed, they don't have
constitutional carry, but they recognize
Texas concealed carry
>> because of the additional training, per
se.
>> Exactly. But the point is like you have
to show that you know how to use it. You
can go buy a Corvette and you don't have
to show anything,
>> which is crazy.
>> Well, you have to show a likelihood that
you're able to pay for it.
>> That's it. That's it. So you can get
like a Corvette ZR1 which is also,100
horsepower and [ __ ] bonkers a bonkers
fast insanely engineered car. You don't
have to show that you know how to drive
at all.
>> Yeah.
>> You just have to driver's license so you
can drive
>> right into the nearest telephone pole
>> sideways.
I mean there's plenty of plenty of
videos of that. A friend, my friend
Whitney sent me a video of a street
takeover in Los Angeles uh this Saturday
night where they took over some street
and gunshots and people just they stop
they cut off the entire street so no one
can go anywhere. People surround these
cars and the cars drive around in
circles and then someone started
shooting at people.
>> Awesome. What a classic pairing.
>> Yeah. Good times. It's good to have
rules.
>> Yeah. Yeah. They're not doing that in
Montana.
>> Exactly. Exactly. You have to have an
enormous amount of people in order for
things to get that chaotic with a very
small percentage of humans.
>> Were there cops there for that or they
just didn't want to get in the mix?
>> They didn't show up until after, you
know, the the cops showed up when, you
know, people would start shooting and
they got there.
>> Yeah. That's generally when they're
going to respond
>> and they're getting security cameras.
But the thing is in Los Angeles, they
don't [ __ ] put you in jail for
anything. They let you right out.
There's no cash bail. They're letting
people out for all kinds of crimes.
Yeah.
>> I was listening to a podcast where a guy
was a former gang member and he was
saying he's leaving Los Angeles because
they're letting 70,000 people out of
prison.
>> It's like it's going to get too
dangerous.
>> So, it was too dangerous for the gang
member. There's the answers to some
tests right there. Maybe pay attention.
>> Yeah. You want You got to wonder like
what are they trying to do with
California where everything seems to go
in the wrong direction? Like if you if
you look at the vaccine thing like do
you think they're really trying to lower
population? Is that what they're trying
to do? like kill off a percent. What are
they trying to do with California? Are
they really trying to destroy the state?
Because if I was trying to destroy a
state, that's how I would do it. Let
everybody out of jail. I'd regulate the
[ __ ] out of everything so nothing get
done. You know,
>> you can't buy these in California.
>> Why?
>> These are Alps because they're flavored.
This is wintergreen. Shout out to Tucker
Carlson. This is his brand. I like
these. These are very delicious. Oh, by
the way, I I showed these to Daniel
Cormier. He goes, "Where'd you get
those?" And I and I I go, "In Texas, you
could buy them." He goes, "You know, you
can't buy them in California." And he
goes, "I get them." And I bring them
around. All these dads like like I'm a
dealer. Like, "Where'd you get that?"
Cuz they won't let you have flavored
nicotine pouches. It's illegal in
California.
>> It's for your safety.
>> They're trying to turn you into just a
little baby that needs everything from
the government. Everything. Everything.
We were at that launch party. Somehow I
got an invitation to be there. So we go
to Tennessee. Tucker is stands on a
chair and talks about Alp, you know how
>> stood on a chair.
>> Yeah. Because it was just like it was in
Dave Ramsey's barn. And again, like I'm
so far not in the social circle of this.
And so we listen.
>> I think he should have sat on someone's
shoulders. That would have been even
better.
>> He's pretty big. So you would needed
somebody who like has squatted once or
twice in their life. So we listened to
him talk and they had a little like on
the other room was a huge fireplace was
just this like a shakuderie table about
this size. So I'm getting some cheese
and then I turn around I'm like hello
Mel Gibson and I just [ __ ] went and
sat in the corner. I was so
uncomfortable in that environment
>> cuz Mel was there.
>> Mel there was a lot of people there. I
just you know you sat down and talked
with him. You you exist in a different
orbit than I do. I exist in an orbit of
1.1 million total people that I don't
see every day
>> in the state. in the state. So like I
interact with the people I want to. I
was not prepared to have a cheese stick
and turn around and see the dude from
Lethal Weapons standing there like, "Hi,
I got to get out of here."
>> By the way, if you talk to him, he's he
is one of the most normal, easy to talk
to movie stars you will ever meet. He
has no airs about him. He's very easy to
talk to.
>> I just don't do good in social
situations like that where like
everybody was relatively recognizable. I
just I could sit in the corner and I
hang out with my wife and we eat
shakuerie.
>> I get it. I get it. I don't like those
things either, believe it or not.
>> It's Well, I have I have been Do you
remember the event you did at
performance archery in San Diego?
>> Oh, yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> I I didn't realize
uh I watched you trying to make your way
to the bathroom and it took you about 30
minutes to go 20 ft. And I don't know
how you deal with that. I don't that's I
mean one I know you well enough outside
of that like you're a genuinely nice
person and you will give people the time
like because you're appreciative right
of the fact that they want to meet you
like I totally get that but also
sometimes you have to piss.
>> Yeah.
>> I mean I don't know how any of those
people or maybe you don't operate in
like in a sense in air quotes of
normaly.
>> It's not normal but the way I think of
it is like
they just like me. It's way better than
if they hated me. Way better than if you
go into the bathroom and everybody wants
to kick your ass. Like they I'm going to
the bathroom, they just want to say hi.
And for them, it's a very unique moment.
So I try to reset every time I see a new
person. And I try to treat them as if
it's like this is a comp for them, it's
a unique experience they get to meet and
and never believe that it I am unique,
you know. Don't believe the hype and
don't think you are special, but always
appreciate the fact that someone else
does. And so take the time to say hi.
And
>> I can't The UFC's are hard because I
can't like sometimes
>> I'm going through the crowd and I I have
to like sometimes I I'll leave my
commentary seat and then I have to take
a piss and then I have to run back and
then everybody's trying to get a picture
while you're you know like you're
literally going through a crowd of
people.
>> You're talking about in between bounces.
>> Yeah. Yeah. And so like I I high five
people but they're like a picture and I
I can't I can't I can't I can't stop
because if I stop then they'll all swarm
and I I just I can't do that. I have to
keep moving. So I have I that bothers me
that I have to say I can't stop. Even
when I'm leaving the venue they're like
I can't I can't I have to keep moving.
I'm sorry. I appreciate you but I can't
stop because if I stop I'll never get
out of here.
>> I've been to one of those and uh we were
at UFC 300.
>> That was a good one.
>> Uh it was Your seat was good. You had a
good seat. I watched the fight from the
back of a projection onto one of the the
things up in one of the the
>> Well, you didn't get tickets for me.
>> I'm never gonna ask you for tickets, by
the way.
>> Well, just [ __ ] let me know when you
want to go.
>> Well, no, actually, I don't want to go
because
>> Okay.
>> I missed listening to you guys talk.
>> I didn't realize.
>> So, we were sitting there and like I
heard Gachi get flatlined before we saw
it and I'm like, "Holy cow." You want to
talk about not let the punch but the
reaction to that,
>> right?
>> Oh my god.
>> Insane.
>> But there was so many people and we were
there with like Joo and Origin and and
there had some people that were down
there low. But we ended up Lee and I
ended up watching from like the back so
we got to see it. But we both said the
same thing. It's way better on the couch
or I want a pair of headsets like this
so I can lift because now
>> like let me be honest. Before I started
training jiu-jitsu, I was like you
[ __ ] stand them up right now. Those
guys are just those.
>> But well, now as a jiu-jitsu black belt,
aren't you embarrassed by your
>> own? You don't let that guy earn that
position. You don't ever get them off
the cage and you never get them off the
ground.
>> I I'm with you. I I've been preaching
that from the beginning of the [ __ ]
>> I would have been the dude with like the
redneck guzzler quarts light half
covered in it like I can stand up cuz
like And now I'm like no no no
>> never
>> especially when they're sweaty. Oh my
god. Like if that guy's dominating him,
you stay right there.
>> Exactly. It's so hard to get someone to
the ground. And it's so hard to hold
them down if they're good.
>> The experience though from
>> Not good.
>> I am going to say this.
>> I would rather pay for the Paramont than
listen or for the pay-per-view than the
current Paramount experience. Sorry
Dana, but the commercials suck.
>> Yeah, I'm not a fan of commercials.
That's why I like YouTube Premium. I
don't want commercials. Yeah,
>> I'll pay I'll pay for the pay-per-view.
>> They should offer Paramount Premium like
where you get no commercials. like you
should get a different experience for
the
>> there's been some streaming issues as
well too and I think and I know they
yeah it's there's well it could also be
I mean
>> Montana internet
>> listen we have electricity we have
running water we I've actually seen
solar panels up in Montana they don't
work great for nine months out of the
year but
>> you get the starlink
>> that's the [ __ ]
>> I was actually one of the first people
to get it in Montana and it works
fantastic
>> I I I have the little one that's like a
book
>> yeah it's amazing
>> it's [ __ ] great take it we I took it
to Utah. We were we were streaming like
stuff while we were in the the cabins.
It was awesome.
>> It's kind of life-changing.
>> Oh, it's great.
>> And then sometimes I need
>> FaceTime with people,
>> but then other times like I'm going to
leave that in the truck because
otherwise maybe I'm just going to enjoy
where I'm at.
>> That's true. But you know the thing
about elk hunting is you're so tired by
the end of the day that you're not going
to sit there looking at your phone
anyway. But it's nice to be able to
FaceTime home and say hi to people and
>> for sure. But I do like the fact that
when you're out there in the woods, it
doesn't work at all.
>> Yeah.
Yeah. That is uh God, I hate hunting
sometimes. Like last year.
>> Did you strike out last year?
>> Oh no. Even worse. Wounded an elk.
>> Oh no.
>> I tell I think I actually
>> Oh yes. with a rifle, too.
>> Well, I tell people that I am the Navy
Seal sniper with the most confirmed
misses cuz I can just smash that trigger
back. Close your eyes, hold your breath,
let it gray out a little bit, and then
really just jerk it. H, that's the worst
feeling when you know you could have
done it so much better if you just had
taken a little bit more time.
>> It would have been hard for me to do it
worse, Joe. If I'm being honest,
>> people, how could you possibly miss?
Because I'm a idiot sometimes and I'm
just God. As I was pulling on the
trigger, I was watching it just drift
back towards the beginning of the guts.
And instead of just stopping, just gave
a little bit more and then never saw the
thing. Looked for it for two and a half
days.
Is there a worse feeling in the world
than wounding an animal?
>> No, there's there's not. And it's also
like a miss like that. You have to wait
a year to get another chance. You have a
whole another year to sit about and
think about that miss before you get
back to hunting again.
>> This year, I think I might be able to go
back to archery because although they
call jiu-jitsu the gentle art, I get
banged up sometimes.
>> Oh, bro.
>> I was I was rifle hunting that year. I
was training with a 15-year-old young
man at the end of a day of training with
some savage black belts. Totally. And
you know how when you say when you first
start like, "Hey, you need to relax."
Well, I also found that you can relax
too much. I was laying on my side, let
him work on an arm bar.
>> Got a hold of my arm. I was going to
work on an escape. And
>> as my arm was coming up over my head, I
heard my shoulder cavitate.
>> It was like a and of course on my
drawing arm for my bow. And we were a
couple months away from hunting season.
Felt it go. Partial terror of the pec.
Completely black and blue. It was
>> the gentle art.
>> There's nothing gentle about jiu-jitsu.
Yeah.
>> It's ridiculous to call it that. I don't
know who what psychopath called it the
gentle art. I was I've been hurt more
time. Everybody I know that's done
jiu-jitsu as long as I have has like
either artificial discs in their back
and neck or has had multiple knee
surgeries. That's me. I've had three. or
has had torn shoulders where they had to
get reconstructed or blown out elbows.
>> Yeah.
>> Do you still train?
>> No, I haven't in a while. I want to
though.
>> Yeah. I
>> I did a little bit of training about a
year ago with Gabe Tuttle and I was
getting back into it, but I still
struggle with this one knee. I have one
knee that keeps [ __ ] up on me, man.
>> For you it would be very hard to find
the appropriate training partner.
>> Yes.
>> Like you're never going to a group class
again and getting in there at open mat.
People would come for your head because
they're [ __ ]
>> Yeah. But I always did. That's what I
always did. I never I always trained. I
I didn't
>> just like only train with like one guy
that like stuck with all the time. I
always went to classes.
>> Yeah.
>> Cuz I think that's the only way to
really be good. I don't think there's a
real way to
train with one person that's like taking
it easy on you and really achieve a high
level. I think you have to go in there
with people that are going to tap you
and you have to go in there with people
that are trying to tap you, you know,
and you know, if you're good and if
you're strong, you can avoid a lot of
[ __ ] but you know, you get in there
with some [ __ ] 25year-old wrestler
who weighs 210 lbs and a bit like a
superhero
>> who moves at a speed that your joints
and ligaments can't move at.
>> Yeah. Just like I can't keep up. You're
on my back. I can't keep up with this.
This is and and if I do keep up, I'm
going to blow something out.
>> Since I found it at 41, I don't think we
should teach it to anybody under 30
because it deeply offends me when
children come out of the children's
class and they've been training like six
times longer than I I'm like, what?
>> It like their movement patterns were
developed on the mat. I'm like I we're
not we're using the same alphabet, but
we are not putting together the same
words.
>> Well, I knew that from striking because
I knew that from kicking. I was like, I
started martial arts before my body had
matured. And my body matured, becoming
very flexible and very fast. And so as I
got thicker, I maintained that speed and
everything. But I was like, I don't know
if you could ever get as good as I got.
If you didn't start when I started, I
don't know if it's possible. And I
didn't start jiu-jitsu till I was 30.
And when I started doing jiu-jitsu, I
remember thinking, "God, I wish I did
this when I was a kid."
>> Yep. Cuz I see some kids where their
[ __ ] scrambles and their transitions
like built into their neurons where
they're just like everything is so fast
and so kinetic and they're just moving
and flowing like [ __ ] I could have
started in like 97, but the few people
who were doing it were so enthusiastic
it n just nauseated me.
>> Like it's like veganism. Like they turn
they make you want to eat meat.
>> Come roll with us. I'm like I don't know
what you guys are doing. It's very
questionably gay at best from the
outside.
>> I don't like how much you like it
because you like it that much. I'm out.
And then I look back, I'm like, h
>> I started in 96.
>> Yeah.
>> Not me.
I guess I think uh yeah, it was 95 or
96. It was right after UFC 2 came out on
video. So UFC 2 was 93 was the UFC. I
found out about UFC in like I didn't
find out about it in 93. I found out
about a year later and it wasn't
available. Not UFC 1 was not available
on VHS. I had to get UFC 2. And I found
out about it from somebody at the
kickboxing gym that I was going to. He
was like, "You got to see this." And I
was like, "What is this?" I was like,
"Oh my god, they did it." Because there
was always this thing when I was a
martial artist when I was young, like
what's better, judo, karate? And no one
knew. And then there was like the
JeanClaude Vanam Kumate movies where you
you meet and all the styles come
together and you find out what's best.
But when I first saw UFC 2, I was like,
"Oh my god, they did it." And then I was
like, "Oh my god, I don't know that.
This one guy's killing everybody."
>> A lot of people that were saying that in
those single digit ones.
>> Oh my god.
>> So then what number UFC did you first
commentate at?
>> UFC 12.
>> Damn, dude. That's a pretty quick Well,
they probably were doing less frequently
as well, but that's a pretty quick flash
of bang. Yeah.
>> Seen it on a VHS.
>> That was 97.
So by 97 I guess I was 30.
>> Yeah, I guess I was 30 somewhere around
there. So that was the first UFC that
and I was already training at that time.
I was training at Carlson Gracies with
uh Vtor Belelffort. That was uh Vtor
Belelffort was there. Marilla Bamante
was there. Like like it was amazing.
Just stumbled upon that place. I
actually went to Hixon's first, but I I
was so ignorant. I thought Carlson,
Gracie, Hicks, and Gracie. I thought it
was the same. And Hixon was further
away. Yeah.
>> And Carlson's was closer. I was like,
"Oh, I found a closer Gracie jiu-jitsu.
I'll go here." And then it was also at
the time where Extreme Fighting was out,
which was John Peretti, who was one of
the commentators for the early UFC, was
now doing this, and it was really good.
like Mario Sperry was fighting, Igor
Zenovv, and these guys, a lot of these
guys were from Carlson Gracies. So, I
saw the Carlson Gracie, the two Bulldog
logos, which is [ __ ] dope. And then I
found out that it was on Hawthorne
Street in LA, which is like really close
to the Comedy Store. I was like, "Oh,
this is perfect." Cuz I was living in
North Hollywood. I would just drive
there. It was much closer. Yeah,
>> it was much closer. But I just I got
there at literally the perfect time
because it was right before Vtor was
making his UFC debut, which was UFC 12,
which I commentated at. So I was
literally training at the same school as
VTO. So I knew what to expect. I'm like,
these guys don't know what the [ __ ] this
guy's doing. Like this is this cuz
everybody thought he was just jiu-jitsu
guy. Yeah. And meanwhile, he had
lightning hands. And you know, it was a
slimmer veto. He was only like 200 lb
back then. Just moved like a [ __ ]
panther. And I got to see this sport
just sort of emerging where really it
was becoming something completely
different. Like at first it was just a
bunch of people that didn't know
anything and you know there was or they
didn't know anything about mixed martial
arts. They either know judo or they know
karate and then there was hoist and
hoist is just tapping everybody and
everybody's like oh my god jiu-jitsu is
the way. And then when I went to
Carlson's I was like jiu-jitsu is kind
of the way but look at this guy. Like
you got to take that guy to the ground
and that guy's hands are like a [ __ ]
professional boxers. This is crazy.
>> Yeah, jiu-jitsu is awesome. It's not
complete.
>> No,
>> you can have a nice black belt and end
up in an ambulance if you can't get
through a striking range.
>> Well, not only that, there's a lot of
guys that were really reliant upon the
ghee back then, unfortunately. Because
this is all you got to realize, this is
all before Abu Dhabi, right? So, this is
uh before Abu Dhabi Combat Club came
out, which was an amazing organization
that paid real money to grapplers to
compete, but made them compete without a
ghee,
>> which was like for a lot of guys, they
didn't know what to do. They're so used
to grabbing sleeves and grabbing collars
and grabbing pants. And the one guy who
had figured it out was my eventual
instructor, Jeanjac Machado. Because
Jeanjacqu was born with essentially one
hand. His left hand is just a thumb. He
just has a thumb. He had a birth defect.
>> And because of that, his game was all
over hooks and under hooks and gable
grips, which was he wasn't relying on
collars and all this other stuff. So his
game was very different. He just
dominated in Abu Dhabi. And that opened
up the door to Eddie Bravo. So Eddie
Bravo, he learned a lot of his
techniques from John Jacques as well.
And a lot of his style was based around
John Chuck's principles, which is don't
rely on the ghee because you don't
always have the ghee. It's a good tool
to use if you have it. If you're
fighting a guy who's got a winter coat
on, it's awesome. Like the last thing
you want to do is fight a judo guy if
you're wearing a winter coat.
>> So not optimal for how your head's going
to feel when it hits the concrete.
>> Yeah. And you ain't going to be able to
do [ __ ] to stop that.
>> I I asked you early on. I think we had
linked up when I was it was actually it
was right at the beginning of co I was a
white belt and I asked you how you train
and manage uh grip stuff and you gave me
a piece of advice that I still have I
still utilize and you said whether you
have a ghee on or don't have a ghee on
just focus on taking no gee grips. I was
like son of a [ __ ]
>> Yeah, that's what I always did. Yeah.
>> The only ghee technique that I really
love is the clock choke. You know, when
you get a a a deep grip on the collar
and you funnel that left arm underneath
and spin. Oh my god, that's instant
death. That clock choke is so nasty.
>> The cross collar.
>> That's great, too.
>> It's available for more areas.
>> Oh, for sure.
>> Just pop that head right off. Just
>> cross collar is nasty. There's a lot of
great great gee techniques that are
super effective if someone's wearing
clothes. I mean, you you'd be amazed at
how how durable t-shirts are. You know,
you could really choke the [ __ ] out of
someone with a t-shirt on.
>> Henner has a video where he'll get the
first hand in. He's got him in closed
guard. He reaches over and he grabs the
bottom of the shirt, pulls it all the
way up, and then wraps that around his
>> Oh, yeah.
>> It's got to feel like a gar.
>> Yeah. Just horrible. Yeah. Horrible.
>> And especially if they're wearing like a
strong shirt, like a flannel shirt or
something like that. something you can
really grab.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. But but that was John Jock's
style. His style was use no ghee grips
even with the ghee. So for me it made me
concentrate more on defense because you
couldn't pull out of things as easily.
Yeah.
>> But I never felt lost going into no gee.
So I would go back and forth all the
time. So you know I got my black belt
from Eddie first but I got my black belt
from Jean Jacques right after that
because I was training at both places.
That was also a beautiful thing about
Eddie being Jeanj student and them
having a very close relationship there.
It never felt like you were a trader
that you left schools because I never
really left schools. I trained at both
places. I always trained at John Jocks
and I always trained at Eddies.
>> You weren't a crunch.
>> Is that what they call it? Yeah, I think
so.
>> Yeah. So, it was it was that was very
nice that they had that amazing
relationship where there was no static
at all. It was like I would go to Sean
Jacques. I'd go train there a couple
days a week. I trained at Eddy's a
couple days a week. It was awesome.
>> Yeah. If I had a time machine and if my
younger self would listen to me, which I
don't think I would, I would say two
things. One, buy Bitcoin, obviously.
>> And two, maybe get into JSU a little bit
earlier.
>> Yeah.
>> But I think you what you did was pretty
impressive because you you got through
it very quickly. Like I remember you
first started training and you know you
got a black belt in like what four
years, five years?
>> Five and a half.
>> That's amazing. That's quick. Well, I
think it depends on how you view the
time. So, I think the standard 10-year
uh window is usually somebody who trains
about an hour a day or two hours a day
twice a week.
>> I had the ability where I was living, I
could train 10 times a week
>> for as long as I want to, right? So, the
math still maths at the end of the day,
>> right? But that's still very hard on the
body at 40 years old. It's very hard on
the body.
>> Vitamin, also known as ibuprofen, comes
into the training model.
>> That shit's terrible for you.
>> Yeah. But it makes you feel better.
>> It's so bad for you though. So bad for
your gut.
>> I will say this one thing about my
previous job is it teaches you how to
learn. It rewards it rewards your
ability to
>> um
>> be coachable.
>> Be coach Well, and people ask me, you
know, how do you how are you how can you
be a good student just in general? Like
listen, how about this? Do what your
instructor says and nothing more.
>> Right?
>> If they say put your hand here and you
ask them, do you mean always put it
there? And they say yes, just put your
hand there.
>> Yeah.
>> If you want to. And you know people
there's the internet's an amazing thing
right and there's a bunch of ability to
go out and look for techniques and stuff
but I can't think of anything more
disrespectful to a coach to be told
something and then you are offering them
something that you saw on Instagram
while they're trying to teach you like
that's how that relationship is going to
end up breaking. If you really want to
accelerate your learning focus and honor
your coach actually focus on what they
are trying to tell you to do only that
and no more until you have that mastered
and then you can move on top of that.
>> Absolutely. That's great advice. Yeah.
You have to just listen. You have to
listen and never question. And then if
you unless you have a bad coach, then
just get a good coach. That's the
solution to that.
>> Which in this era, you have choices. The
era that you were starting in, there
weren't as many choices,
>> right? Yeah. Well, I realized that when
I went to Jean Jacques's place that
there's levels in teaching and you know,
obviously Hixon's school was very high
level and Carlson's was too, but
Carlson's went under pretty quickly.
They weren't around that long. But then
when I went to Jean Jacques, I was like,
"Okay, this is a completely different
level." Like Jean Jacques is so
detailoriented. I was also very lucky
that I started doing taekwond do when I
was a child. So that I always listened.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, I and the the the the
traditional martial arts environment the
there's no room for questioning. They
don't allow any qu and I was also very
lucky that the school that I started at
was one of the best schools in the
world. I just got lucky. I found this
this Jhon Taekwondo Jon Kim Taekwondo
Institute in Boston just happened to
have multiple national champions like
really elite competitors and so I never
questioned I always did and I I never
did anything halfassed I always did it
exactly that's how you develop the right
technique
>> you have to how you accelerate learning
too I mean because again people ask me
about my old job like well how do you
>> how do you guys do all this stuff that
you do well you learn it to pieces at a
time. And honestly, it's the mastery of
fundamentals.
>> Even at that, it
>> I I think what I determined the most
when my coach gave me my black belt was
that I don't know a goddamn thing
>> about jiu-jitsu. And I can't keep up
with all the flashy sporty stuff, but
the better fundamentals get, the better
you can tolerate a lot of that stuff. It
just the the mastery of the fundamentals
is just so essential.
>> Well, some of the elite guys of all time
never did any of the flashy stuff, like
Hixon. Hixon was just the fundamentals
honed to a razor sharp edge. Yeah.
>> You don't see Hixon doing some stuff
you're like, "Oh, I've never seen that
before." It's all triangles, arm bars,
rear naked choke, and just done to
perfection.
>> Done in a way that black belts can't
stop it.
>> No. I've heard stories of him lining
black belts up, telling them what he is
going to catch them with.
>> Yep.
>> And then having like 10 of them watch
him catch everybody before them with the
same thing. and them having absolutely
no ability to stop it. Y
>> that's what I'm talking about.
>> Yeah. Well, that's Gordon Ryan, too.
Gordon Ryan, one of the things that
Gordon did, I was there when he did it.
One of the times he did it, he did it
multiple times. He would write down on a
piece of paper how he was going to
submit his opponent and seal it in an
envelope. And before the match started,
he would walk over to the commentators
and say, "Open this when it's over."
And then, you know, you would see him
catch somebody in a triangle and then he
would open up the envelope and it showed
a triangle. And he had multiple
opportunities to catch someone in
different things. He's like, "No, no,
no."
>> See, I could do that, too. But, it would
be what I'm going to get caught with.
Here's the most likely thing that I'm
going to mess up and get caught with.
>> Well, that's the thing about starting
when you're 40 versus starting when
you're 12 or whatever it is. It's like
you're only going you're only going to
be able to get to a certain height, you
know.
>> Well, also I recognize that I'm an
aggressive hobbyist. I have no I've
competed twice only because my wife was
coaching at tournaments and I was like,
"Well, I'll go spend time with you." So,
here we are. I think uh once when I was
a white belt and once when I was a
purple belt. Like that's it. I don't
care about the competition. Shockingly
enough, I'm not looking to have a
violent confrontation with anyone ever.
Totally. Totally have filled my cup up
with that one. probably has spilled over
a little bit from time to time. Like I
just do it because I really like the
community. I like the fact you can't
master it. So you can keep your brain
young with your body young or young as
young as possible. And uh yeah, it's
just fun. It's really it's so addictive
which is to me was the problem with
injuries was that I would always find
I'd go I'll work around it and I'd just
go in with injuries and then they get a
aggravated to the point where you know I
remember one time my fingers were
getting numb because my neck was so
[ __ ] up that my fingers were numb and
then I'm like okay I got to do
something.
>> Was this from you head and arm choking
people? It
>> was a lot of that.
>> Yep. I remember you telling me your
affinities. You're like you really got
to just drive your head. You got to use
your neck
>> and also not tapping. Not not tapping to
certain neck cranks and different things
that [ __ ] your neck up.
>> Neck cranks are very real.
>> Yeah. I also didn't work my neck enough
back then. I didn't have an iron neck.
That machine.
Oh yeah. I [ __ ] love that thing.
>> Is it forward and back and turn or all
those?
>> Yeah. So it's a halo. You sit it on your
chest. You pump it up like the Reebok
pump and then the chin strap. You
tighten that [ __ ] down and you can
adjust the tension that is required to
spin it. And it has this giant bungee
cord on it. And so the bungee cord is
like 50 lbs of resistance. So you back
up with the bungee cord till it's like
fully taut and then you go like this.
I I swear by that thing.
>> All right.
>> It keeps your neck strong as [ __ ] And I
don't have any neck problems anymore.
And I had a lot of [ __ ] neck
problems. So the thing that saved me
though was Regenicine which is like this
PRP plateletri plasma to the next level
that this this treatment that a lot of
guys were having to go to Germany to get
in the in the early days they would go
like I remember Kobe Bryant went to
Germany I think Payton Manning went a
bunch of guys had to go to Germany to
get this treatment and it's like they
take your blood and through some process
I forget exactly how they do it and
makes this fluid ID that is like this
radically inflammation fighting fluid
and um they injected it into my neck and
it cured my bulging discs and all my
numbness went away and I got to start
training again once I got back. But
again, I didn't have a [ __ ] iron neck
back then. If I had that machine back
then, I think I could have avoided a lot
of the problems.
>> Yeah. Like a lot of the problems that
people have with lower backs, I firmly
believe it's a lack of building tissue
and strength and mobility around your
lower back. And I do a lot of lower back
exercises, too. I do a lot of rotation
exercises and a lot of like reverse
hypers like that machine.
>> That machine's awesome.
>> Oh, that's I do that today. That [ __ ]
keeps your back so strong and healthy
and it decompresses at the same time
that it strengthens. And you know, so
many guys just go into the class. They
just that's their workout. Their only
workout is training. And those guys are
always hurt. They're always getting
hurt. I think strength training and
mobility training is essential if you
want to have longevity in jiu-jitsu. I
really think that
>> I would agree.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. For the first couple years, it was
a workout in and of itself. And I
finally have started. I think I'm done
with uh barbells just because I've never
seen a linear object equally loaded in
real life outside of a gym. So
>> there's some things with barbells
though, like Olympic style stuff like
cleans very
>> you can zer though. Zerers are only
available with a barbell. I think zer
are very very important.
>> I think that's a big one.
>> I'm willing to
>> Jefferson squats. There's there's a
bunch of different things, but zer in
particular are really good for
grappling.
>> Yeah. you know, because you've got that
barbell that you're holding inside the
crook of your elbow.
>> Could you use a sandbag?
>> You could. Yeah, you definitely could.
Yeah, there's lot I I love um uh goblet
squats.
>> Yeah,
>> goblet squats are phenomenal for that.
>> They'll tear you up for Especially on a
slant board, you know, when you're
holding like a 90 lb kettle bell and
you're doing those deep squats where
it's knees over toes on a slant board
and your whole core is just so activated
when you're I think that's phenomenal
for for just strength and stability.
But I I agree. I think kettle bells are
the best. I think it's the best also
because you're there's so many different
things you can do with them in terms of
there's rotational exercises I do where
I like pick it down on this side and I
swing and clean it and I press it on
that side, let it swing down and and I
do like those things where you lie on
your back with your, you know, on your
with your butt with your legs up in the
air and you do those twists where you
take the kettle bell and bring it each
side.
>> You can absolutely demolish yourself
with a single kettle bell.
>> Yeah. which is kind of awesome.
Especially like where I live too,
traveling with the truck, like okay,
>> put one of these bad boys in there.
>> All the excuses are gone.
>> I had a bowling bag that I would carry a
50 lb kettle bell with me on the road. I
just put it in a bowling bag cuz it fits
in a bowling ball bag.
>> All right, people are going to look at
you a little awkwardly, but I'm here for
it.
>> But if you have a 50 lb weight limit, if
you check in luggage,
>> like there you go.
>> Whatever works for you. Yeah,
>> I appreciate the enthusiasm for working
out on the roads.
>> Well, back then the thing was you would
never find them in a gym and now they're
in most gyms.
>> It's tough not to find them now in a
gym. Yeah. Hotel gyms is like why do you
have a 1.5 kilo kettle bell? Like is
this for children? Like what the [ __ ]
>> The little micro ones like Okay.
>> Some people like to pretend they're
working out
>> sometimes. That's me. Just go through
the motions.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. They're good for wrists, too.
Wrist curls. You know, you take a kettle
bell and you uh like reverse it or you
have it this way and you do these like
put your forearms on a bench. Oh yeah.
>> And you hold the handle in your hands
and you just let your wrist curls like
because it puts you in this like weird
angle. It really strengthens your
forearms and your wrists. There's so
many things you could do with those
things that things that aren't sexy like
Turkish getups. Phenomenal for you. So
good for stability and core and just
overall body control. Yeah, I need it
now. Crouching towards 50. Still
enjoying Zujitsu.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah, you need a little bit.
>> Do you definitely need something? You
need some Are you taking any peptides or
any of that stuff?
>> I played around with peptides. Finally,
two years ago, I got my endocrine system
checked, my hormones checked. Oh, man.
Uh,
this is a nice little It was like a a
little gauge that had red zone, yellow,
green. Upon first looking at this chart,
I assumed that my life was going to end
in about 36 hours.
>> What was your number?
>> Oh, [ __ ] Two something.
>> Oh, Jesus.
>> I had never had it checked.
>> That's crazy.
>> Um, I didn't feel awesome and it but I
also
there are people who played around with
an immense amount of uh
performance-enhancing materials in my
previous job, which live your life
however you want to. Just understand
maybe the long-term tale on the
consequences of the choice you want to
make,
>> right? Um, I had wanted to avoid that
for as long as possible because as you
know, once you kind of go on that train,
it's a lifelong journey.
>> Yeah.
>> But once I finally saw that that piece
of paper, I'm like, "Oh boy." I'd say
>> I bet you could attribute that to the
volume of your training. That's also
part of the problem is if you're
training 10 times a week, you're
probably in a constant state of
overtraining.
>> Oh, for sure.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. That probably for the vast
majority of my life, that's been the
state that I operated in if I'm being
honest. I mean, the answer was always
just more. Like, if you want to get
better, do more, right? You want to be
stronger, go harder. Go harder and do
more. I'm like, okay. It took me about
So, I've been I started taking uh TRT
about two years ago. I am just now
finally slowly dialing it into where I
feel a difference. Recovery is better,
but also I I mean, I try to set
realistic expectations for who I am of
what I'm trying to do. Like, I'm just I
want to have the healthiest lifespan
that I can.
>> Yes. I'd rather live to 80 and be doing
awesome stuff to 80 than live to 90 and
spend the last 10 years eating jell-o in
a nursing home.
>> Right? So that's what I'm going for.
>> You could do as long as you're smart
with your training and you don't get
like catastrophic injuries, you could be
very physically fit deep deep into your
60s and 70s, which nuts go. And that's I
mean I don't know. Nobody knows how much
time we have, you know, and how much how
long your lap is going to be. My goal is
just to fill it up with awesome
experiences between here and whenever
that is
>> here. Here. Just stay out of that
[ __ ] flying squirrel suit, will you?
>> You know, Cam just said the same thing
to me. And if enough people keep saying
that, I'll put that [ __ ] thing back
on just to piss you guys off.
>> Well, it's kind of amazing that you're
still here.
>> That's You've done that so many times. I
mean, you broke the world record at one
point in time.
>> I did. Yes. My egg. That was
>> How many miles was that that you flew?
>> It's like 18.2 two, something like that
>> with a flying squirrel suit.
>> To me, it was very reasonable. You know,
the things that I do that I think are
reasonable. Oftentimes in my life,
people will pull me aside and they'll be
like, "Hey, man, what the fuck?"
>> Yeah, that doesn't seem at all
reasonable.
>> Well, you're only seeing that one video.
I had been skydiving for like 16 years
at that point, you know, and you know
something like when I would go over to I
remember I'd go over to Switzerland and
I would do a a flight in the wings suit
and get you know you're like you're
playing tag with your shadow on a steep
clip and I would send it to you and one
day you were like I just had to throw my
phone across the room watching this
because it was giving you anxiety. So
then I'm like clearly I'm sending you
more of these videos for sure, right?
Because now I got the hookie. I threw my
phone into a couch. I was like [ __ ]
this. What are you doing, Andy? But that
was like one of many jumps in this like
the months of training leading up to
that. I'm not going to sit here and say
it's safe. I do think you can do it as
safely as possible. And I don't have a
higher risk threshold than other people
do. I I spend an immense amount of time
at everything that I do looking at the
risk and trying to manage it, analyze
it, mitigate it as much as possible. And
then you look at what's left. To me,
that activity provided me enough
enrichment in my life that it was worth
it. I haven't put the suit on in
five or six years, but I swear to God if
I get one more person telling me not to
do it, I'm going to go back and just
start sending you videos again.
>> All right. Well, I promise I won't be
that guy that tells you that. I promise.
>> But honestly, at this point, again,
talking about risk, it's not worth it. I
don't live in a place where I can stay
because your currency in that suit comes
from the skydiving world where you can
jump it multiple times a day.
>> In the base jumping world, there's no
altimeter. You're just camera one,
camera two
>> at about a buck 20 face first. So yeah,
if you misjudge a tree or
>> fun as [ __ ] though while it's happening.
>> I don't know how to describe what it
feels like doing 120 m an hour face
first a few feet off the ground probably
like that the what is it in the Olympics
skeleton?
>> How close do you get off the ground?
What's the closest?
>> Uh probably not intentionally. The
closest was probably somewhere right
around the 3 foot range.
>> 120 m an hour.
>> Mhm.
>> So 3 foot is like one, two, like that.
>> Yeah.
>> Jesus, dude.
>> Yeah.
>> That's insane.
>> You don't do that for very long. And and
there are and if you do like some of
those jumps in Switzerland, like you
would hike for hours. Uh and there's
there's this one jump. It's actually one
of the ones I sent you from. You just
it's insane. You're just looking out
into like this picture story book of
like where the Kabool giant or whatever
he was would live, right? Like you just
>> Kandahar,
>> Kandahar giant, whichever.
>> You think it's real?
>> I hope it is real.
>> I deeply, it's such a deep part of me
hopes that it's real, but you're looking
out at that
>> as you're zipping up your ridiculous
nylon suit and checking to make sure
everything is there. And then you just
rock forward. And at some point, you
rock to a place where you can't go back
the other direction. and you send it. In
the first few seconds, because you have
no air speed, the suit doesn't fly. So,
you're just falling and then it takes
off and it's just these right-hand turns
and right-hand turns and then and there
are small sections where the angle is
correct and you can kind of connect with
the train and then get away from it and
connect. The people who are able to
survive it are not the ones that are
flying 3 feet off the ground all the
time. It's very very short periods of
time on jumps that they have practiced
many many times and they slowly
incrementally work their way down there
>> because again mistake in that
environment is you're going to impact an
object head first at 120.
>> I remember the video that scared me the
most was a a bridge where the guy was
trying to fly through. You know the
video?
>> Yeah, I do. Oh, yeah. There you go.
>> Is this Andy?
>> Oh, yeah.
>> Look at this.
>> Oh, I love this little grass field over
here. I think my head turns to the right
cuz there was two dudes up here. I was
looking at them. God, that is beautiful.
>> Oh, I'm telling you, it's insane. This
is the field of joy.
>> Wow.
>> That's the shadow in the lower right,
but that's probably I don't know. That's
probably 10 feet off.
>> God, that is [ __ ] pretty.
>> Yeah,
that has got to be nuts. I mean, there's
not a rod at Disneyland that can [ __ ]
with this.
>> Oh, absolutely not.
>> Wow.
Have you ever done one of those ones
where you strap a jetpack?
No, but I like where your head's at.
>> Yeah,
>> I know exactly what you're talking
about. Um,
>> you remember there was a guy that was
like getting in trouble because they
kept finding this guy flying a a a wings
suit. He was flying a jetpack wings suit
and they were trying to like locate the
guy. He was doing it through Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. He was getting like they were
looking for him because he was they they
kept spotting him. Where was that,
Jamie? Do you remember? We talked about
it on the show once.
>> I feel like this is like a combination
of stories.
>> No, no, no. Secret jetpack man.
>> Yeah, some guy had a jetpack and he was
flying around where he wouldn't wasn't
supposed to be.
>> Yeah. So, these guys are in Dubai
unfortunately. Uh
>> Wow, that's nuts.
>> I found the guy. This is just a video I
thought might have been him, but it's
not.
>> But that one's nuts. That's an actual
wing suit. Like a plane wing.
>> And they got to the place where they
could take this off from standing on the
ground. Joe,
>> unfortunately, one of the innovators in
that ended up dying. There's a there is
an altitude and air speed where if you
have an issue, you're not going to be
able to deploy your parachute to save
you. when he had an issue at that
altitude.
>> Jeez.
>> But yeah, who would have ever
>> That guy is up there with a plane. Show
me that again, please.
>> Yeah,
>> that is insane. Would you ever do that?
>> I don't want to say would I. I mean,
there's a time and a place
>> where I would do a lot of things
>> cuz I would 100% would do that.
>> I bet you would. Now, is that does that
guy have a engine on that thing?
>> Yeah, there's little micro jet engines.
You can see them.
How much fuel?
>> That's a good question. Like I said,
they had gotten to a place where they
could stand. So that wing is is is kind
of conforms around their skydiving
parachute with I think there's four
little jet engines. They got to a place
where they were standing, cracking those
things off and going vertical and then
transitioning into play. Yes. And then I
think landing them too.
>> Yeah.
>> Landing them with the engine somehow.
>> I I mean
>> did they rotate?
>> Well, I mean they are wearing a
parachute. You know what? I might be
misspeaking on that, but I know that
they were taking off from a no air speed
standing there and just
>> That's nuts.
>> Well, that's also like I said, how one
of the innovators died. It was in that
phase, like a low altitude, low air
speed phase where nothing's really going
to
>> I remember I did morning. What is this?
>> Oh, yeah. These are the jetpack racers.
>> Oh, yeah. That's crazy. I've seen that,
too.
>> This is real, by the way. Right. Is it?
Cuz it kind of looks fake, but
>> No, those are real for sure. They
actually have there's a league, Jamie,
of guys who race these things.
>> How do we get them?
>> That's a good question. Yeah. Add to
cart on Amazon for sure.
>> How fast do you think these guys are
going with these things? Whoa. And they
can just land. Oh, that's wild.
>> Just fly to work,
>> bro. You have to have some [ __ ]
shoulder strength to do that.
>> I mean, I love how they're trying to
show like this has Oh, like incredible
military application. Like, let's take
it easy. Okay.
>> It's got to be quiet, right? Does
>> super quiet. Is there some support for
your shoulders in there? It's not like
you're doing a constant dip.
>> I don't Well, I think that the jetpack,
so on his backpack, I believe that's
putting some thrust out, too. The hands
are as well. So, it's the combination of
the three because like how long can you
hold a dip position?
>> I don't know. Yeah. So, here's the
league. Look at these crazy. Yeah. The
backpack itself.
Oh, getting fancy.
>> Oh, that's crazy. opposite, but the
ground's pushing back up on you on that
situation, you know.
>> Bummer.
>> If you're doing a dip fighting gra
>> I feel like the backpack is doing the
majority of it. Like the Iron Man little
hand things. I feel like that's just the
stabilization.
>> Heavy. Oh, so the backpack is doing the
most of it and the other things are just
steering you a little pretty easily.
>> I think I have exactly zero seconds in
one of these things. So this is me
talking out of my ass.
>> If there was enough lives, if you had
multiple lives, I would do a lot of
different things.
>> That looks so fun.
>> It does.
>> Jamie, what I'm parachute, right?
Where's the parachute? You can't
>> Oh, no. There is no parachute.
>> The box, there's no parachute.
>> That's why you want to stay 5t off the
ground.
>> Look at this. Yeah,
>> just flying to the top of this [ __ ]
cliff with that thing. Oh, that's
bonkers.
>> For sure. This is like to save people or
something.
>> No, it's for fun.
>> I agree with Joe more on that one.
>> What What do you think like the How much
time do you get in one of those, too?
Run out of fuel.
>> I don't know.
>> Time enough to fill a motivational video
like this.
>> To me, I'd be like,
>> Gravity Industries, this is the company.
>> I would be reverse engineering like,
where is this in my Amazon cart? How do
I possibly make enough money to have
these sent to my house immediately?
>> What do you think one of those costs?
>> My guess would be six figures.
>> So, professional
>> shop
>> entertainment shop.
>> Oh, click on that, [ __ ] Let's go. Suit
up. Suit me up, [ __ ]
>> Hold on.
>> Give me my credit card. Let's Let's
guess. Let's guess.
>> Ah, God.
>> 50 grand.
>> 100 grand.
>> I'm going to say six figures. So far,
>> they fooled us. You sons of [ __ ]
>> Oh, clothes. You can only buy clothes.
>> Well, you can't buy the thing on the
website.
>> Why can't you buy the [ __ ] thing?
>> Let's see.
>> Well, how much does the thing cost?
Somebody must be able to buy it.
>> 2400 lb for an experience.
>> Half a day.
>> So, that's just to fly it.
>> 1,000 horsepower uh 1050 horsepower
gravity jet suit.
>> Wa. So, it's the same horsepower as a
ZR1 Corvette.
>> And it's on your back.
>> Look at this. Yeah. First off, take that
safety line off. Let's let people live.
>> That guy needs a safety line. Look at
his neck.
>> Let me
>> like Yeah, let's just let's search the
price. So, you think six figures? I
would probably say that's probably
accurate, especially when I saw it as
a,000 horsepower.
>> Here's a better question. Are you
willing to spend six figures to acquire
one of those? I'm going to go in the
hard yes category for myself.
>> I'm not saying I got six figures laying
around. I'm saying I will start a new
career in the Oh, no. That's not a good
face, Jamie. It's not uh it's it is in
the six figures,
>> but it's not the low. Let's not It's not
the edge of
>> Yeah, roughly. That'd get one.
>> $600,000.
>> Says $440.
>> Whoa. Is that in US dollars?
>> It's like uh Yeah. Yes.
>> Depending on configuration and stuff,
too.
>> Okay. What if you get it like maxed?
>> Well, it does. It's not giving me
options. I just kind of searched around.
>> I think we're just going to get closer
to the seven figure number if we do
that.
>> They probably don't also advertise how
much it costs. Does it say how long you
can stay in the air in that thing?
>> How long?
>> Let's guess. I want to say 30 minutes.
>> Guess under 10.
>> Wow. Well, I remember um when I saw I
went on a radio station once and they
had a guy who What is it?
>> One minute.
>> One to four minutes.
>> One to four. That's it. So, what are
they doing when they're flying up to
that mountain?
>> 5 to 10 if you are doing it carefully.
>> Well, how the [ __ ] do they get all the
way to the mountain? How do they get
down? We only saw a 5second click.
>> Is there a gallon of gas up there at the
top of that [ __ ] mountain?
>> I'm way less enthusiastic about this
purchase now.
>> Yeah, that sucks.
>> Yeah.
>> 450 grand for a minute.
>> But what makes me enthusiastic is that
they're going to innovate and evolve
this and then one day
>> it'll be nuclear powered.
>> Let's not get crazy.
>> It'll be Yeah, it'll be cold fusion.
It'll be an Iron Man machine.
>> I mean, I feel like we could do better
things with that technology before the
jet suit, but I'm totally in on the
jetuit.
>> Well, get an Iron Man suit. Like that's
Iron Man, right? The hands,
>> that's how he would fly.
>> I mean, that's kind of what they look
like.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Like it would come out of his feet and
it would come out of his hands.
>> Um I did a radio station once in Denver
and they had a guy who did a a jetpack
thing in a parking lot. It was like a
morning radio back in the day. And uh
this guy, I think it could only last for
30 seconds. And this guy, he had two
knee braces on cuz he had blown out both
of his ACL's just landing and destroying
his knees. But it was crazy to watch. It
was crazy to watch. This guy took off
and he flew around. But it was only for
a few seconds. I think like it's like a
30 second deal. After 30 seconds, it
runs out of juice.
>> I'm glad there are people like that out
there. I appreciate their enthusiasm.
>> There's always going to be, right? Yeah.
>> There's always going to be someone.
>> Very brief description of what it has in
there.
>> A lot of jazz.
>> It honestly it is like what you were
talking about. So the hands like the
Iron Man position, so the back has a
majority of the thrust,
>> right?
>> Yeah. Yeah,
>> I bet it heats your ass up. Something
fierce.
>> Yeah. Up to 56 mph. Interesting. Jet
fuel, though. I wonder how much faster
you go with jet fuel.
>> Well, what does it normally use? Diesel
or jet fuel.
>> Or jet fuel.
>> Diesel or jet fuel. That's weird.
>> They're not that far off.
>> Or kerosene.
>> But isn't that weird that one engine can
burn those different types of fuel? That
seems unusual.
>> That's probably the configuration part
where
>> Oh, I see. Right. Right. Right. Like if
you want a top of the line one, you get
jet fuel.
>> Plaid version.
>> Yeah. All right. Let's go get one.
>> I want one of those.
>> I'll take one. Let's try it.
>> Yeah. But is there legitimate military
applications for something like that?
>> I can't really think of one.
>> Because it showed guys in fatigues that
are landed on an aircraft carrier.
>> I could show you videos of guys in
fatigues that end up banging each other.
So, it doesn't necessarily mean that.
>> Right. So, let's
>> Is there a military application for
that?
>> Let's just say uh that would be far
fringe. I'm just saying the fatigues
isn't necessarily the qualifier of it
being, you know,
>> right
>> good utilization for the military.
>> So, we only briefly touched on this
Kandahar giant story, but were you ever
in Kandahar?
>> Yeah, I was down in the south of the
>> How remote is it?
>> Um, I mean there's a large city there,
town city. I don't know the difference
between the two. It's relatively built
up as far as southern Afghanistan. It's
going to be, you know, you cobble up
north, Kandahar is a little bit down
south. Cobble in the north, you're going
to start looking at the the exterior
range of the Hindu Kush. Kandahar still
has some topography, but you're looking
at more of like a high desert terrain.
>> And so there's caves and things along
those lines. This is the idea that this
thing lived in a cave.
>> Yeah. I mean, so yeah, it's it's there
is topography that is there for sure. It
uh possible. I don't know. Well, the
reason why uh people entertain this idea
of giants at all is all a lot of it's
biblical. It's like stories from the
Bible and then also stories from ancient
civilizations that talked about
red-haired giants, which is the weird
thing about this thing had red hair.
Like the Native Americans had tales of
red-haired giants that they fought off.
Like there's a lot of people that
believe that all these stories from
antiquity about giants are all referring
to an actual different race of humans,
you know, like we are one race of humans
that's the Homo sapiens that survived.
But then there's also races of humans
that didn't survive like um the hobbit
people from the island of Flores that
they found out there was a branch of the
human species that was like 3 feet tall,
covered in hair, little tiny heads.
Weird, but had tools and had weapons.
And I think some of that stuff's real. I
think sometimes though the stories
they're they're intentionally nesting a
greater message through the vehicle of
that story.
Um, so whether it's like accurate or
not, it's more about the story that they
are telling. And I'm not saying like the
Kandahar giant has some story associated
with it, but some of the the older like
the civilizations and the stories that
they tell, I think it's just an a
vehicle that they can nest something in
there to create deeper thought, if that
makes sense. It's what I see you guys
doing as comedians. Um, I've talked
about this recently. Um, it is
interesting to me and I never paid
attention to it, but I know he's a good
friend of yours, Dave Chappelle. I
launched his last special.
>> The ability for comedians to nest inside
of your set pretty impactful and
powerful like societal conversations and
ideas and get people to laugh about it,
>> but even when they're done laughing
about it, they're going to be thinking
about it when they're driving home. It's
just the vehicle to get people thinking
about stuff.
>> Well, in terms of comedy, I agree. And
Dave is one of the best of all time, if
not the best at doing that. But what
kind of um nesting would you You're
talking about giants.
>> It depends on the morals and ethos of
that society. If they want to be a
warrior society, you have to have
something that you're constantly
fighting or protecting yourself against.
>> Whether that's real or you're nesting
the morality of your society in that
story. Both could achieve the same end
state. If there really was a giant and
they really did kill this thing and then
brought it back secretly, like what
would be the purpose of that? Why
wouldn't they? That that's where I go.
Like what would be the purpose of hiding
the fact that this thing existed? I
don't see why the government would hide
the discovery of a giant like what Yeah.
What military reason, what national
security reason would you have for
hiding the this the thing that that this
thing existed?
>> At some level of objective skepticism
and criticism or looking into these
stories, you get to that point of like
who's benefiting from this and why?
Yeah.
>> Why would anybody actually go out of
their way to put this much effort into
obscure something like that?
>> Yeah, that's how I feel about giants.
But when it comes to UFOs, it makes more
sense to me.
because then you have something that's
insanely advanced, much more advanced
than us. And so I had this guy Hal Puto
off on my show.
>> He's a physicist, very brilliant guy and
he's been around forever. And during um
was George W. or Herbert Walker,
>> one of the Bushes. Um they brought him
and uh a team of specialists in and they
said we are contemplating disclosure
>> and that we have not just not just
acquired
um crashed vehicles that are of
non-human origin but also we have
biological remains of these creatures.
We want you to write down pros and cons
of the impact of these things and put a
numerical value. put a numerical value
in terms of impact on government, impact
on religion, impact on all these
different things and um universally all
of them came out with more cons than
pros. The numbers didn't line up and
they made a decision to not disclose.
This is according to this how put off
guy.
>> I could see that being the case.
>> I could see that being the case too if
it was true. The UFO thing, there's just
too many stories for me to openly
dismiss all of them. Even though I have
had no experiences, it's there's too
many stories. There's too many there's
too much weirdness to it.
>> How about it? Just given the size of the
known universe and the fact it keeps
expanding, what is the mathematical odds
that we are completely the only thing
out there?
>> Exactly. So, this is like sort of the
same argument that people used to use
for Bigfoot. Like the wilderness is so
vast, the Pacific Northwest is so dense,
there could be something out there that
we haven't documented. Well, the problem
is now we kind of have and now we kind
of know that with all these camera traps
and all these different things, it's
very very very very unlikely that any of
these stories are true. But when you get
to the universe, it's like, come on.
It's way more likely that we're not
alone than we are alone. If we are
alone, that's kind of insane. I mean, it
kind it's kind of incredible if this is
the only place where intelligent life is
formed. I think if that's the case,
we're missing something. We're missing
something about the nature of
consciousness. We're we're missing
something about what consciousness
actually is. Like what is our actual
role in the universe? It might be more
complex than the we initially believe.
I think disclosure that we aren't alone
would have a net benefit to society
globally. We spent a lot of time
pecking back and forth at each other and
fighting each other. Mhm.
>> If you got sat down and be like,
"Listen,
um, we have a global issue now that
everybody is impacted by this as big as
as much of the biggest swinging dick you
think you are on this planet. Guess
what? You're nothing in comparison to
this." I think it would have a net
calming effect. Maybe not
instantaneously, but overall, I think
that that would be the net effect of it.
>> Perhaps the the the real problem is like
all things, someone's going to take
advantage of it. But I think that if if
so, let's just say it is real. I think
that's already happening. Like the US,
if that that's real, the US is not the
only country that has agreed not to
disclose because it is to their benefit
not to do so. Like these things, uh,
Russia has a crash program. I'm sure
China does as well, too. And I'm sure
that everybody to include the US is
trying to reverse engineer these things
for our benefit as fast as humanly
possible.
>> Yeah.
>> So,
>> I think if that if it is true, that is
the case. And that's the Bob Lazar
story. There's a great documentary
that's out now called S4 that's about
Bob Lazar. I had him on again for the
second time.
>> I don't want to believe him. I want to
think he's a [ __ ] artist, but I
believe him. There's there's something
about one guy who's a clearly brilliant
guy who's been telling the same story
since 1988.
>> Yeah.
>> You know,
>> and like you said, a volume of other
stories. Some of them I think you can
completely
>> for sure ride off, but other ones
>> pretty tough from pretty credible people
who aren't making claims like, "Hey, I
sat down and had a beer with this
thing." But like,
>> I was in an aircraft that has a certain
performance envelope and we understand
the performance envelope of what humans
are able to fly at this point. And
>> yeah, this thing did things that I don't
understand.
>> Sometimes the videos get I mean,
>> I was talking with uh you know, Bill
Thompson, you just had him on.
>> Sure.
>> Love that dude. He is like he's one of
my favorite people. You gotta be
cautious how deep of a question you ask
him,
>> right?
>> Because he has national defense level
autism at times.
>> Defcon 5. Like, Bill, what's your
favorite color? He's like, "Oh, what is
color?" Like, [ __ ] No, that's not
that's not what I meant. But we were
having this conversation and his
background is fascinating. And what's
even more fascinating is what he's done
with his background and what he built
from with Spartan Forge with that. which
>> and his ethics.
>> Correct. But he was talking some of the
videos. He understands technological
things and he can look at stuff and be
like that's the parallax of two moving
objects and how a lens works. Not many
people understand those things to
include myself many times when I'm
talking with Mr. you know Mr. Bill. But
I mean he God he's a national treasure.
>> He really is.
>> He is.
>> He that was one of the ones where I
dipped into the comments on YouTube cuz
I just wanted to know how people were
going to react to him.
>> Yeah. What' they say? loved him. Loved
him as you universal praise for how
brilliant he is. And I I'm like, there's
only one way they're going to respond.
I'm like, if you don't like this guy,
>> like, you're listening to the wrong
show.
>> Have you seen what he's done with the
app he created, Spartan Force?
>> It's incredible. It's an amazing app.
>> It's 20 plus years of targeting and
intelligence gathering packaged into
something that's consumerf facing that
if you're into hunting,
>> holy [ __ ]
>> I know. What kind of a super genius is
going to get involved in a hunting app
like that?
>> Captain America of autism.
>> I love you, Bill, but let's be honest.
>> He's I mean, he's brilliant on another
level. I remember the first conversation
I had with them, I was like, "Oh, okay.
There's there's people that you talk to
like when whenever someone says, "Uh,
oh, Joe, you're so smart." I'm like,
"Settle down. No, no, no. I'm smart
compared to you.
I'm smart compared to some people, you
know, but I know real smart people.
>> Yeah. There is a stark difference.
>> A giant leap, a chasm.
>> Yeah.
>> A a a [ __ ] an ocean to cross before
you reach like levels like Bill and or
Elon or some of these people. It's just
like the the the amount of processing
power they have.
>> Yeah. You know, I have a Honda Civic
brain and these [ __ ] have a
Corvette ZR1.
>> I usually go with I have an IQ that you
can find on a thermostat versus I mean,
I'm not saying it's like the winter, but
maybe it's a little bit close to a hot
summer day. Now, what he what he is a I
wish I had the ability to build stuff
like that. Like I use that app to hunt,
but most of the time I use it when I'm
flying my helicopter around because it
is like the terrain analysis, the
ability to look at stuff, the LAR, the
way that you can look through foliage.
Again, I'm just I'm deeply appreciative
that people like that exist.
>> And again, with the ethics that he has,
he will not sell your [ __ ] email.
He's been offered a lot of money to sell
all the you know, that's the thing that
companies do. You sign up for something,
you use your email that your email goes
in the list. I'm sure have you ever
opened up one of your email accounts and
look through the filters like all the s
spam and promotional [ __ ] It's like
years and years of garbage. In addition
to the email stuff, I know Bill has
become a very good friend. He's been
offered money to do a lot of things and
his morality has stayed true through
throughout which and again like those
things are his to talk about if he ever
wants to. But as somebody who knows him
and appreciates that, I wish there were
more people like that.
>> Yes. It's just very difficult to become
a guy like that. You know, it's the long
road to be that guy.
>> Yeah. Um, I think because of what's
going on in Iran, uh, it'd be good to
talk to you about this because you're a
guy who kind of understands things in
terms of like geopolitics more than the
average person.
>> Listen, I can find Iran on a map. Okay,
that doesn't mean I understand
geopolitics.
>> I know I know you're very you're humble,
but
>> well, my operational experience was at a
low tact meaning on like there so
there's strategic war, right?
>> Operational war, but those are that's
air I never was in the room for. I
didn't breathe that air. I'm not having
I wasn't invited rightfully so to
planning meetings where they were
talking about the defense policy of the
United States
>> or going into a country. I was down
like, "Hey, we found this dude.
>> We know where he's at.
>> We can't figure out how to go get him.
Why don't you guys go give it a little
look see?" That was the level that I
operated at.
>> Yeah. Well, one of the things that was
discussed was sending a bunch of
operators in to go retrieve depleted
uranium.
>> Yeah.
Do you think they tried that? Oh, as a
part of the rescue.
>> Yeah, there seems to be a lot of ships,
a lot of crafts.
>> Well, if Okay, so yes, but Okay, so I'll
we can unpack this one a little bit. So,
this is back to the F8 uh F-15 weapon
systems officer that ejected.
>> That was a seaar or combat search and
rescue operation where they surged
forward a lot of stuff.
>> And then operation or the the ghost
murmur,
>> stop it right now. You stop it right
now.
>> You don't know what that is.
>> I know. I know.
>> Do you believe in that,
>> Joe? I want it to be true.
>> Me, too.
>> I want them to be able to identify
somebody from a heartbeat
>> from 40 miles away.
>> From 40 miles away. If that technology
existed and we're not using that on to
help our own populace find people that
are lost in the woods, we're a bunch of
[ __ ] [ __ ]
>> right?
>> So, like, let's not maybe tell people
what we're doing, but you could have a
specialist in a search and rescue
helicopter that could maybe use that and
be like, "Oh, we saw them in a field."
When you didn't actually see, right? So
because that doesn't happen, I think the
it's plausible. I don't it's possible. I
don't know if it's plausible.
>> That's how we felt. Me and Jamie were
both going.
>> So, but then you can go old school,
which is sending in monkeys with machine
guns like what I used to do with a PJ or
multiple PJs, pair of rescue jumpers,
because those are the guys, this is the
way I describe PJs. If you want to put a
hole in something, J- Sock guys are
great at it. If you want to plug a hole,
PJs are the guys that you want on top of
you just stopping hydraulic fluid. their
medical just absolute badasses. Nothing
but immense respect for them. So the two
cargo aircraft came in, they pulled the
little birds out. I believe that there
was four that you could only fit
probably, man, even if they were super
light on fuel, probably three guys on
each pod. So six guys per helicopter, 24
guys. Some of those are going to have to
be PJs. I don't know if that's enough to
go into a hardened facility in the
daytime also, which is not when you
would do that for retrieving depleted
uranium because, by the way, to do that,
you're going to be in full protective
equipment very likely, which you're
going to be moving incredibly slow. I I
just I know it was I know that
geographically it was proximal to one of
the locations that they thought that
that was what was going on.
>> I think more I think it probably was a
rescue of the weapon systems officer is
my guess. Um, and then you know they're
like, "Well, we can't get the aircraft
because they got stuck in the sand."
Like, okay. The the little birds don't
have the fuel storage and ability to get
across where they needed to go. So, they
had to bring in other aircraft. And you
don't want to leave that stuff. So,
>> right. So, you got to detonate it.
>> Yeah. They bip it or blow it in place.
>> How many aircrafts did they lose?
>> So, what has been, I think, disclosed
was the four MH6s, which are the little
birds that carry the people, the two
aircraft that brought those in. I I
think there was some version of a C130.
Um, and I think that was it as far as
that operation. There might have been a
Predator or a Reaper drone that was shot
down. I think some A-10s were damaged.
And then, of course, the F-15 that was
ejected from
>> Wow.
>> It's a lot. It's a lot of stuff.
>> It is a lot of stuff, but the military
asks people to do exceptional things.
And it helps you if you know that they
are going to send everything that they
have to come and get you if something
goes wrong. um it has to mean something
to be issued a flag on your chest in my
opinion at least. And as far as those
operations go, there's basically two
where you are going to absorb as the
people responding an immense amount of
risk. One of them is going to be a
hostage rescue which I was a part of. We
talked about that on a previous episode,
the Jessica Lynch rescue. The number of
people we thought we might encounter was
a way bigger number than the number of
people that we could get there in the
helicopters. But you go anyway because
of the chance of rescuing somebody.
Combat search and rescue kind of the
same thing. Maybe they're not, it's not
a hostage situation, but it could be
building towards that. I mean, maybe you
don't have time to go at night, which is
when you have all the tactical and
technological advantage, right? The
night vision goggles,
>> right?
>> It's like, hey, we got to go now in the
daytime. We're going to level the
technological playing field and you guys
are going to go fullback dive and get
like that's very high risk. Those are
about the two times that you are going
to accept that level of risk and you go
when you go.
>> Well, that's what I wanted to ask you.
So the official story seems to track
>> it is more plausible to me than any of
the other stories that I have heard. I
would like to think that the what the
ghost murmur whatever it is but then
it's like okay I mean walking the dog on
that one. Did this guy have to sit down
and you know uh get an EKG and have his
heart uh wave you know HRV on file
somewhere because how would you not pick
up somebody else's heart rate right?
>> How would you not pick up you know other
animals or mammals that like you know
what I mean? So, I want to believe I
think we'll probably get there. I don't
think we're there yet.
>> Was that an official story?
>> No, that's a Twitter story.
>> Are you sure?
>> I Well, I first saw it on Twitter, so
>> I did too, but I Well, someone sent it
to me.
>> I didn't actually actively seek it out,
but somebody sent it to me and I was
like, "Wait, what?" And then me and
Jamie threw it around for a while.
>> The internet is the best worst thing
ever. It was getting spread around by
New York Post and then the the same uh
article was getting repeated everywhere.
So my
>> New York Post
>> have it on the screen.
>> Interesting.
>> Ghost murmur. I mean I would imagine I
bet you Lohee Martin does have a program
called Ghost Murmur.
>> Long range quantum magnetometry.
>> But I'm looking at articles so
>> diamond based sensors. I think Iran was
saying that we tried to do the uh
snatching of the um uranium.
>> They foiled us. So, it's like a who
knows what side of the story to believe,
>> right?
>> That is part of the problem. And you
know, you got your Fox News narrative
and your MSNBC narrative and who [ __ ]
knows.
>> Yeah. Separating the uh the [ __ ] in
the modern era.
>> Yeah.
is more like an art form than a science.
>> Yeah, it's um it's very confusing and
it's very disconcerting to just have no
and then also they can't tell you
certain things like why would the
general public know about things that
could affect negatively national
security? Like why why would they tell
you? They can't tell you. Which is also
part of the problem with they're allowed
to lie. they're allowed to use
propaganda and misinformation on the
American people in the interest of
national security. So that's like
>> it would just be better. I would
appreciate it more they're like listen
this is what we can tell you and then
this beyond this is a matter of national
security. So as much as you want to know
we can't tell you right
>> I' I'd prefer that over a BS story that
gets it's like a really sticky idea that
then gets totally out of control and
then you know people have a three-piece
tinfoil tuxedo on walking down Main
Street. But it's just super weird that
there might be something like ghost
murmur. There might be something.
>> I guarantee you that there is a
>> quantum magnetometry with diamond
sensors.
>> I bet that's real. I bet it works on I
mean they're probably testing it on
mice, you know. I mean, I'm sure that
the concept is valid.
>> Well, you got President Trump told uh
the Post the CIA's secret new ghost
murmur tool was very important to
rescuing a downed airman inside Iran. as
leading physicists and engineers debate
how the futuristic technology said to
detect heartbeats at great distance
might work.
>> So I guess the post didn't make it up.
>> They were told by Trump.
>> Wow.
>> I don't know if everything he says is
accurate.
>> Just to throw that out there. So
>> hey, who knows?
>> Gets a little loose and fast sometimes
with the details in reality. It's just
crazy that that kind of technology is
even being contemplated that there might
be a future where that exists.
>> Oh, that makes total sense to me.
>> Find you based on your heart rate. Well,
they they they now know that they can
use wifi
in order to see 3D objects in motion in
a house.
>> Yeah, they can map basic. Yeah, I mean
it's well I mean again I think Evan and
I had an argument one time about radar
and sonar and we were both calling each
other idiots and we both found out that
we were wrong once we looked it up on
the internet. So we'll say it's some
version of that. God we were both 100%
committed we were that we were correct
and we were both wrong which is classic.
But yeah, like in this room it the
things that are emanating there's an
ability for them to map that and
determine who you know maybe not who you
are but I bet you it gets to that point
and where you are. And you want to talk
about a tactically beneficial piece of
information from somebody like my old
job.
>> Thank you very much.
>> Right.
>> Yeah. I'll take that all day
>> as long as it stays out of the hands of
the en enemy.
>> Yeah. But then they'll eventually get it
and then you'll evolve and your tactics
will change and that's that's the game,
man. It's just it gets to a point with
technology where it's like what is not
possible a hundred years from now.
That's what's weird. Like we are in one
of the strangest times ever in human
history in terms of these quantum
computers that can solve mathematical
like Mark Andrees explained it to me and
I'm going to paraphrase it. I'll
probably [ __ ] it up, but he said that a
quantum computer can solve an equation
in a matter of minutes that if you
converted the entire universe, every
atom in the universe into a supercomput,
the universe would die of heat death
before it could solve this problem. And
a quantum computer on Earth can solve it
in a matter of minutes.
>> I don't even I mean, honestly, like I
understand every word that you just
used, right? But I don't understand what
that means and what it is capable of.
>> Right. Well, they think that it might be
evidence of somehow or another evidence
of multiple dimensions of a multiverse
and that not only is this quantum
computer operating in this universe, but
in an infinite number of other universes
>> simultaneously.
>> I like the Doctor Strange movies. I'm in
>> Oh, the multiverse. That's I mean to me
that
>> we started it with Spider-Man.
>> That might as well be a scientific
documentary because that's my reference
for the multiverse,
>> right? Like I guess we shouldn't even
talk about it because we don't know what
we're saying.
>> Never stopped me before.
>> But it's one of those things where like
quantum computers are real. That's a
it's an actual real thing. Now Google,
specifically Hermoot Nevin, who leads
Google Quantum AI, recently used
language that strongly suggests their
new quantum chip speed could be
understood as borrowing computational
power from other universes. But this is
an interpretive speculative way of
talking about quantum mechanics, not an
experimentally established fact or a
standard claim. The claim comes from
December 2024, a blog post about
Google's Willow quantum chip. Nevin
wrote that the chip solved a task in
minutes that would take a classical
supercomput about 10 to the 25th power
years, far longer than the age of the
universe.
>> Again, I understand every word you just
used, but I don't understand.
>> Stop scrolling. Go back up. He then
said, "This lends credence to the notion
that quantum computation occurs in many
parallel universes and that this aligns
with the idea that we live in a
multiverse explicitly referencing David
Deutsch many worlds argument for quantum
computing." Yeah, right. We're too dumb
to have this conversation. That's where
we need to get Bill on speaker phone.
Bill, Bill, explain this.
>> Problem is he'd be like,
>> "Yeah,
>> and then
>> and then the show would be five hours
long." Well, and then I would also
understand the words that he was using,
but not in the combination in sequence
that he would use them.
>> Exactly. Exactly.
>> I'm just appreciative that he exists.
>> Yeah. I'm appreciative that there's
people like that out there.
>> Your book, uh, Drown Proof, I I assume
this is in normal language that a normal
person like you and I could read.
>> Well, considering that I wrote it,
>> we did not use a lot of multi-yllable
words. A lot of ands and thus are in
there.
>> Well, I'm sure it's awesome. Uh, look,
you got Jaco, Jack Carr, and me giving
you blurbs on the cover, so it's got to
be good.
>> So, at some point, it doesn't have to be
now, but I essentially wrote in the
inscription, and I and I mean this from
the bottom of my heart, my life would
not look the way it does had you and I
not randomly met through Tate Fletcher,
like my post-military life would look
completely different, and I have no
ability to like pay you back for how
gracious you've been with like your time
and your platform. So all
>> well it's a two-way street because you
your presence on my show has enriched my
show. It's made the show better for
sure.
>> Well, my promise is that I will do the
best I can to be a positive impact on
the world around me. I think that's the
best way that I can try to pay you back
and honestly it's the reason why I wrote
that in the first place. So,
>> well, that's all I can do.
>> It's my pleasure and I try to do the
exact same thing. And shout out to my
boy Tate Flesher. I haven't seen that
guy in forever.
>> He's the best.
>> I love him. All right. I love you, too.
Thank you very much and thanks for being
here. And Drproof, did you read the
audio book?
>> I did.
>> Yes. I love it.
>> After that experience, let me tell you,
Voice Actors, I struggle with it enough
as the person who wrote the words, I
can't even fathom what it would be like
going in there blind and like, well,
let's just figure this out as we go.
>> Yeah, it's a tough gig. Yeah, there's a
reason why they
>> Yeah. Jo uh wrote uh wrote and read the
forward.
>> Nice.
>> That was amazing.
>> Beautiful. All right, that's it. Go get
it, folks. It's out now. All right. Bye,
everybody.