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Duration: 237 min

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Short Summary

Episode features an extended interview with Rick Dodie, a former Air Force OSI special agent and counterintelligence officer whose career began in the 1970s, recounting decades of UFO-related intelligence work. He describes classified crash recoveries, disinformation operations against organizations like MUFON and APRO, multiple abduction cases, alleged Sandia time-travel experiments, and Space Force recruitment attempts in 2021-2022.

Key Quotes

1. "We one of the main problems uh the public has uh is uh that they group all extraterrestrials into one group, one one one category. You can't do that." (00:20:13)
2. "He said, "You mean you're not briefed into this particular special access program?" I said, "No." Well, I got briefed into it and then I realized that uh this has been going on for years. They take it very seriously. This is 1980 and these guys are taking it seriously and this unit within DIA has been around for for years now." (00:23:20)
3. "I thought, is this a psychological operation they're pulling on us?" (00:36:02)
4. "Yeah, there's a Bill Moore in every one of those groups." (01:07:14)

Detailed Summary

Rick Dodie: Former OSI Special Agent on Decades of UFO-Related Intelligence Work

Episode Overview

• This multi-part interview features Rick Dodie, a retired Air Force Office of Special Investigations (OSI) special agent and counterintelligence officer whose career began in the 1970s and continued in classified contract work until at least 2022.
• The conversation covers crash retrievals, abduction cases, deception operations against UFO organizations, the 1988 "UFO Cover Up" TV special, alleged Sandia time-travel experiments, and Space Force recruitment attempts.
• Topics include the 1977 Ellsworth Air Force Base incident with Sergeant Mario Woods, the Paul Bennewitz disinformation operation, classified briefings featuring Roswell and Kingman crash footage, and counterintelligence infiltration of UFO organizations like MUFON and APRO through asset Bill Moore.

Interviewee Background

• Dodie left government service in 1988, was recalled in 1991 and again in 1994, and from 1994 to 2007 worked under contract for Dr. Hal Putoff, who kept pieces of extraterrestrial material in his lab.
• After 2002 he became a contract employee for U.S. intelligence, with UFO-related work comprising roughly 50% of his duties; he has appeared on Gaia in over 220 episodes plus 18 "Dodie Chronicles" episodes.
• He received his initial UAP briefing in 1979 (the classified "NQ" briefing at Kirtland) that he initially did not believe, later accepting the reality of the phenomenon after his own sightings.
• After his NDA expired in 2002, he began speaking publicly and was visited by FBI agents twice between 2002 and 2020 regarding on-camera statements about a Special Access Program.
• Dodie estimates he has been involved with about 5 projects at Area 51 and has received full special access briefings on roughly 20 programs.

UFO Crash Retrievals and Field Operations

• During his 1970s-80s OSI career, Dodie had partial access to about four UFO crash recoveries and estimates approximately 40-50 known crash sites globally.
• The 1979 NQ briefing was conducted by an Air Force colonel and a civilian, lasted several hours, and included film footage of the 1947 Roswell crash site at Corona showing the craft, bodies, military tents, army-uniformed personnel, and debris on tables.
• The briefing also included a 1953 Kingman, Arizona recovery with different-looking bodies and a USAF-marked recovery truck; about 10 people attended, with Dodie the only OSI agent.
• A 1960s craft recovered from a mineshaft at the Nellis Test and Training Range was extracted by ASTAR (Special Aircraft Recovery Team), transported first to Tonopah and then to NTTR; Dodie personally saw it in 1984 at roughly 5 feet in diameter with an indented/damaged section.
• Investigators could not initially find an opening in the craft; it reportedly took three to four years to get inside, and Dodie was told it may have been a scout ship.
• A separate recovery near Warm Springs, Nevada involved covered bodies estimated at about 5 feet tall; Dodie set up the counterintelligence ring, debriefing a state highway patrol trooper and Nye County Sheriff's deputy on scene.
• At Warm Springs, Dodie contracted a trucking company from Hawthorne, Nevada to haul the craft on a flatbed; the foreman told Dodie he had previously transported "round things" to the base.
• Around 2002 on Putoff's behalf, Dodie traveled to South Dakota to investigate a rancher who buried UFO crash material from the 1950s/early 1960s on his land; the site was identified by an area where nothing grew even when the family watered it.
• The recovered South Dakota material was turned over to the government (possibly Groom Lake); the crash site was near what later became a Minuteman missile site, about a couple hundred miles from Ellsworth Air Force Base.

Key Abduction Cases

• Kirtland AFB Sergeant (Whistleblower): A female Air Force sergeant was repeatedly abducted by entities described as "Quatilloids" (insect-humanoid types) with symptoms including removal of fingernails/toenails, vaginal bleeding, eye bleeding, and a ruptured right eardrum.
• She was once admitted to the base hospital ER bleeding vaginally with holes between the toes of her left foot as if a rod had been inserted; a gynecologist determined she had not had sex but that something had been inserted.
• Medical staff initially classified the case as self-mutilation and sent her to the Air Force Psychiatric Hospital at Shephard AFB in Wichita Falls for about two months, but the Shephard psychiatrist concluded she was not doing it to herself and stated "some outside entity is doing this."
• She passed both a standard polygraph and a rarely used hypnotic-polygraph procedure; her boyfriend was also polygraphed and cleared.
• A multi-agency surveillance/sting operation (Air Force, Intel, FBI, OSI, NSA, contractors) thwarted an abduction by relocating her to a secure facility in the Sandy laboratories area of Kirtland.
• An FBI Vietnam veteran and Studies and Observations Group (SOG) alum who had been skeptical for about eight months cried and apologized after witnessing the operation.
• The abductions ended around 2022 — roughly 30 years after they began — using unknown government technology (not guns, sound, or light) involving NSA and other agencies.
• The whistleblower is retired military, a grandmother, a former schoolteacher, lives in the Baltimore area, and has been interviewed by many U.S. House representatives and at least two U.S. senators and their staff.
• Springer, New Mexico (1970s): A dependent wife of an Air Force captain experienced a 6-hour memory gap driving from Kirtland on Interstate 25; she was found disoriented along Eagle Nest Lake (~70 miles away) while her baby remained in the abandoned vehicle near Springer.
• A doctor at a Raton hospital concluded she had been raped; the captain told investigators his wife was taken from the vehicle into a flying saucer; state police cleared the fishermen (no semen found; DNA testing did not exist).
• Kirtland Captain Encounter: A USAF captain was approached by two ~7-foot helmeted beings while camping ~250 miles north of Kirtland, losing approximately 10 hours (from ~8:30 AM to 21:30); he captured a Polaroid photo of a hovering craft and passed both polygraph and hypnosis.
• 1977 Ellsworth Air Force Base Incident (Sergeant Mario Woods): Woods was interrogated for roughly 10 hours (rather than the expected 4-5) and had a 6-hour missing time period; an OSI officer spent several minutes feeling around the inside of Woods' mouth looking for an implant.

Disinformation Operations Against UFO Organizations

• Within the 760th Intelligence Wing at Fort Belvoir, a separate unit of "dirty tricks people" was recruited from non-traditional backgrounds for plausible deniability, "sheep dipped" with legitimate IDs (postal worker, construction company credentials).
• The Department of Justice had been briefed in to extract these operatives if caught by civilian police.
• OSI's Special Projects Branch, internally coded "PJ," protected classified materials, special access programs, sensitive compartmented information under Title 50, and sensitive aircraft technology.
• Cold War adversaries identified were the Soviet Union, Red China, North Korea, and Cuba; counter-espionage ran against UFO organizations like MUFON, APRO, and CAUS because the Soviets were considered the top foreign service penetrating these groups.
• Bill Moore was recruited and handled by Dodie to report EEI (Essential Elements of Information) from inside UFO groups while simultaneously being handled by the CIA due to his contacts within the Soviet Academy of Science.
• Dodie's stated regret is providing Moore with disinformation intended to discredit UFO groups, saying he would not have targeted people within the group if he could do it over.
• The Paul Bennewitz operation at Kirtland involved Mna Hansen, brought to the office by Leo Sprinkle and Allen Hynek; Bennewitz had photographed objects around classified aircraft that were actually Air Force drones launched from C-130 propeller and RC-135/RC-137 aircraft.
• Dodie's interview tactic was simply to agree with Paul that what he saw were flying saucers, since Paul was already a believer; this incident occurred approximately 3.5 to 4 years into his career.
• At the 1989 MUFON symposium, Bill Moore publicly confessed to being part of the infiltration/disinformation program.
• The MJ-12 document was dead-dropped roughly two weeks after Jamie Shandera met someone at the botanical gardens in Washington, D.C.; the "Albuquerque, New Mexico" postal marking was fake per FBI analysis.
• Dodie seized a copy from Moore in a San Francisco hotel room, packaged it as top secret at Travis AFB, mailed it to Kirtland, and forwarded it via armed forces courier.
• There is a Special Means Committee within DIA (and CIA) that creates documents primarily for counter-espionage operations, inserting some real material into disinformation.
• Dodie was also tasked with an operation against journalist Linda Howe during her HBO UFO documentary, using a two-way mirror interview room with a document delivered by armed forces courier; he was unsuccessful in extracting the source officer's name.

The 1988 "UFO Cover Up" TV Special

• The special aired in October 1987 (recorded approximately 15 months earlier) as part of a joint OSI and FBI investigation aimed at drawing out a person who had disclosed classified information.
• Dodie appeared under the alias "Falcon" while Robert Collins appeared as "Condor"; Richard Helms was actually the person behind the Falcon alias and served as the controller.
• The working group Dodie supported included Hal Putoff, Kit Green, Scott (Senator Pell's aide), and Richard Helms.

Sandia Time-Travel Experiments

• A counter-intelligence operation tied to Sandia National Laboratories experimented with time travel at Kirtland and the Nevada Test Site.
• A self-identified time traveler responding to magazine ads walked through a small crevice in a rockface near Sedona, Arizona, was filmed, and never came back out despite the team waiting for hours.
• The only matching name across FBI, IR, and defense indices was someone born in 1879 in Billing, Montana, the identity he claimed; investigators verified a 1907 ship manifest from Cuba to New York but could not verify his 1934 workplace in Bend, Oregon.
• Sandia Labs decided to attempt hiring the man and ran extensive psychological and physical background examinations.
• Dodie states there are two cases he is aware of involving legitimate evidence of something traveling, likely back in time.
• At an underground Nevada Test Site facility, Dodie observed huge magnets used to shoot objects through them; during one 1980s experiment, a standing scientist told him, "You just saw the fabric of space opening."

Ancient Civilization Claims

• Dodie claims an advanced civilization existed on Earth billions of years ago and destroyed itself with nuclear weapons, citing radiation remnants he personally observed in Malaysia and one site in Australia with half-lives of millions of years.
• Expert analysis of those sites reportedly found isotopes consistent with ionized radiation used in making nuclear weapons.
• He speculates the prior civilization may have relocated to another dimension, underground, or to the ocean floor.
• Dodie claims to have interviewed submarine commanders on Gaia who swore they observed civilizations on the ocean floor, and references a 4chan whistleblower describing mobile construction units off the Bahamas.

Nellis Range Informant Operations and Aurora Cover Story

• In the late 1970s and 1980s, when prostitution was legal in Nevada, OSI systematically recruited prostitutes around the Nellis Test and Training Range to report when Air Force personnel discussed classified work, paying "well" strictly for information with required NDAs.
• A Major F-117 pilot at Tonopah regularly told a prostitute about the F-119 program, claiming the aircraft could chase flying saucers; OSI bugged the room, recorded ~20 minutes of admissions, read him his Article 31 rights, and removed him from the classified program.
• A civilian who saw the first prototype of the Aurora aircraft being developed concurrently with the F-117 at Tonopah was given a fabricated UFO sighting story to deflect from the real sighting; after being convinced, the civilian signed an NDA.

Carthusian Monks at Groom Lake

• During the Stargate era, remote viewers identified the only Carthusian monastery in the U.S. (Vermont) as housing people capable of communicating with a being held at S4/Area 51/Groom Lake/Papoose.
• In the 1980s, two monks with reportedly special communication gifts were flown into Harry Reid Airport in Las Vegas, stayed overnight at Nellis, and were transported by government van to Groom Lake; a van accident occurred near Rachel, Nevada during transport.
• The monks were coded as "interpreters" in reports, with counterintelligence agent Harrison running the S2 Annex operation (described as the "creature containment facility").
• The closed monastery does not accept visitors except for one family visit per year, and the two monks reportedly have no surviving family; a Vermont state trooper regularly patrols from the gate by the gift shop to the monastery.
• A man named Jean, director of security at Area 51 in the 1980s, confirmed the two monks were gifted in communicating with extraterrestrials described as grays.

Space Force Recruitment and Recent Events

• Lou Alzando contacted Dodie by phone in 2021 or 2022 to recruit him for a counterintelligence role at Space Force; Dodie declined.
• In January 2022, Dodie was called to the Defense Inspector General's office in Washington, D.C., where he was shown a heavily redacted 1981 OSI report on one of his old cases and asked what he remembered.
• In September 2022, Dodie returned and was shown an unredacted version of the same report; he surmised Space Force wanted to hire him to do counterintelligence to "cover up UFO stuff" or "spy on people for UFO" matters.
• At the 2019 Laughlin UFO convention, three uniformed Air Force officers were present in the audience; a female captain told Dodie there was no classification in his briefing, then said "We'll decide that later" in response to a classification question.

Other Notable Claims

• Dodie maintains a list of distinct extraterrestrial groups known to have been contacted and argues it is incorrect to group all extraterrestrials into one category due to their different biologies, planets, and body structures.
• He disagrees publicly with Steven Greer, saying Greer's belief that all extraterrestrials are benevolent is based on faulty information and that hostile extraterrestrials exist.
• He claims there are about 30 environmental cages/facilities (some providing methane-breathing environments) capable of housing extraterrestrials, with 24 active and 6 inactive.
• He references submarine commanders stating on Gaia that there are civilizations at the bottom of the ocean, and a friend at Spielberg's Amblin who claimed ~18 minutes were cut from "Disclosure Day" at government request.
• He briefly saw roughly 20-25 seconds of closed-circuit television showing an alien restrained in a disability-style swing/harness inside a facility, was ordered out by a colonel, and was required to file Form 18 acknowledging unauthorized access.
• Dodie referenced four codenames: Project Capstone White, Auburn Blue, Medlap Star, and Candid Sky, which he said have been publicly available on the internet for approximately four years.
• He expressed skepticism about any formal treaty with aliens, stating he personally does not believe one was ever made.