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Writers Bryce Zabel and Brent Friedman, co-creators of NBC's 1990s series Dark Skies and hosts of Sound, Light, and Frequency, discuss their contacts with a man claiming to be from the Office of Naval Intelligence during the show's production, Brent's 1981 disclosure from Reagan-era Under Secretary of the Navy John Harrington, Spielberg's Disclosure Day film, and Brent's personal paranormal experiences including a near-death episode, a Scandinavian "Witch Rider" encounter, and a Nordic alien sighting on Orcas Island. The conversations tie Hollywood, Navy intelligence, Majestic 12, and slow-drip UAP disclosure into a single narrative that also references David Grusch's 2025 push to bring Harrington before Congress, the Coulthart/Nimitz Tic Tac dispute, and a mysterious "formula" document given to the writers on September 21, 1996.

Key Quotes

1. "We are watching you." (00:00:06)
2. "Aliens are real. They're here and I've seen them" (00:01:55)
3. "Get your actors out of the black suits today or we will shut down your production and burn your negative." (00:10:56)
4. "there are about five people in this room who knows that everything they just saw on that screen is absolutely real." (00:16:49)
5. "I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world. And yet I ask you, is not an alien force already among us?" (00:17:09)

Detailed Summary

Episode Synthesis: Dark Skies, Naval Intelligence, and the Long Road to Disclosure

Interviewee Background and Podcast Context

Bryce Zabel and Brent Friedman are the co-creators of NBC's 1990s series Dark Skies and hosts of the Sound, Light, and Frequency podcast. Their conversation ties their Hollywood production history to Navy intelligence contacts, Reagan-era disclosures, and a slow-drip UAP disclosure effort now reaching congressional hearings.

• Bryce Zabel is the former chairman/CEO of the Academy of Television Arts and Sciences (the last writer to hold that role, following Rod Serling), a writer on Spielberg's Taken, and co-author of AD After Disclosure with UFO researcher Richard Dolan.
• Brent Friedman is a writer/producer whose credits include Dark Skies, Mortal Kombat, Star Trek: Enterprise, and Star Wars: The Clone Wars; Dark Skies was his first TV series.
• Their podcast name is drawn directly from a note given to them by a man identifying himself as being from the Office of Naval Intelligence in 1996.
• The hosts describe their story as an "active investigation," arguing that telling it publicly prompts others to share their own parallel experiences.

The Dark Skies Premiere and the J.C. Contact (1996)

NBC gave the Dark Skies team roughly $40 million to produce a 1996 pilot positing that JFK was killed because he planned to disclose UFOs. At a ~200-person premiere party at Bryce's home, the surreal events that followed set off a decades-long chain of contacts.

• Premiere guests received Polaroid party favors that had been altered into Majestic 12 badges.
• A clean-cut man in his 30s wearing a white shirt and navy blazer, identifying himself only as "J.C.", approached Brent and said "You guys got a lot right" and "You must have talked to someone."
• J.C. accurately described unaired post-pilot plot points, including a crop circle scene in which characters returned to Majestic headquarters and pulled a "ganglen" out of a character's head, before the episode had aired.
• He handed Brent a business card reading only "J.C." with a 310 phone number and no other identifying information, claiming affiliation with the Office of Naval Intelligence, described as the oldest U.S. intelligence agency (dating to ~1881–1882).
• On the back of an ATM deposit envelope, J.C. wrote an incomprehensible formula for about 30 seconds labeled "soundlight and frequency secrets of the universe," instructing them to put it in a safety deposit box for 10–15 years; a 22-page analysis of that formula has since been produced.
• A follow-up meeting was held the next week in the producers' glass-windowed conference room with show security guards as witnesses; J.C. arrived with an older man called "the captain" (military bomber jacket, insignia, 10–15 years older).
• J.C. proposed a midnight Long Beach Harbor cemetery meeting with an admiral using a deceased-friend cover story; Zabel and Friedman declined all script-influence overtures.

Surveillance and the Threatening Postcard

About a year before the Dark Skies premiere, while shooting the pilot at Newhall Ranch (just north of LA near the Grapevine), Bryce received a chilling piece of surveillance evidence at his home address.

• The postcard featured the cover of a 1960 book called Flying Eyes and was typed in all caps on an old manual typewriter with a dark black ribbon, reading "WE ARE WATCHING YOU" stacked vertically across four words.
• Brent found an envelope from John Harrington on his desk at the production office with a buck slip reading "congratulations Brent on finally getting your story out there."
• The pair took a vow of silence about these events for years and only shared them publicly in the year of the interview.
• The hosts questioned whether J.C. and Harrington were coordinating their contacts.

John Harrington's 1981 Disclosure to Brent

Brent grew up next door to John Harrington and his wife Lois Hate in Walnut Creek in the East Bay; Harrington's family included a California governor, and John had been Reagan's "advancement man" credited with helping get Reagan elected. In 1981, at age 18, Brent visited the Harringtons at their Langley Farms, Virginia home.

• A black Lincoln Town Car with two Secret Service agents pulled up, and Harrington placed a briefcase handcuffed to his wrist into a wall safe; Harrington was then Under Secretary of the Navy and later became Secretary of Energy in Reagan's second term.
• Harrington attended Stanford (or Bolt/Hastings Law School at Cal) reportedly with a 3.0/4.0 GPA in three years on a Naval ROTC scholarship.
• About a year before Brent's move East, NSA or CIA personnel had approached the family with questions about Harrington as part of a background check.
• Harrington claimed a security clearance higher than the President of the United States, having been briefed for months in an underground facility in West Virginia (the Washington Post in the 1990s revealed a similar bunker at the Greenbrier built to evacuate Congress in case of nuclear war).
• He said he had personally seen aliens who were real and present on Earth; when asked if they were alive, he paused and said "I can't say."
• Harrington described a multi-billion dollar campaign of government-published propaganda books placed in bookstores used to cover up the truth, justified because revealing it would disrupt the global economy and undermine governments' control in a "god-fearing country."
• He said he cried himself to sleep every night, though he later clarified this was by day three of the briefing; he was raised in a strict Calvinist Christian household, which the hosts suggested may have contributed to his distress.
• A source also told them the person running Majestic 12 was from the Navy, inspired by Harrington.

The 2025 Congressional Disclosure Push

Dave Grusch contacted Brent in 2025 via email and they spoke on Signal, asking Brent to help get Harrington to Washington D.C. to potentially testify before the House Oversight Committee.

• Grusch described Harrington as having important oral history of a period where documentation no longer exists.
• Five or six years earlier, Marco Rubio had tried to approach Harrington and was shut down.
• Harrington is now in his mid-80s and may not be in great health; his wife Lois has maintained a relationship with Brent's mother.
• The hosts frame such testimony as "patriotic" given that documents from Harrington's active period in the Reagan administration have gone missing.

Hollywood Interference: Spielberg, MIB, and Dark Skies Creative Battles

During Dark Skies pilot shooting, Columbia TV (Sony-owned) executives called with threats directly traceable to a competing Spielberg project, revealing the tight Hollywood-UAP nexus.

• A Columbia executive demanded removal of the "men in black" characters because a Men in Black comedy was being produced by Steven Spielberg through Amblin; the threat was "Get your actors out of the black suits today or we will shut down your production and burn your negative."
• After complying, the team renamed them "cloakers" and dressed them in green, blue, gray, and brown.
• Columbia TV later delivered a list of 19 non-negotiable demands from the MIB producers, including banning elevators, a Washington D.C. secret headquarters, farmers, and autopsies.
• Spielberg allegedly required a whole season to be redone to differentiate Dark Skies from his own projects.
• Bobby Ray Inman, who served as both CIA director and NSA (or deputy CIA/NSA) director from the Navy, is cited as a key connective tissue figure between Hollywood, intelligence, and the UFO topic.
• Dark Skies season 2 had been planned to feature a fictional Apollo 18 mission even though the real one was cancelled.

Spielberg, Reagan, and the E.T. White House Screening

The speakers tie Spielberg's filmmaking directly to naval intelligence case files and recount Reagan's reported post-screening remarks at the White House, claiming a remarkable continuity of disclosure through Hollywood.

• After Jaws succeeded, Steven Spielberg was reportedly approached by people he described as "naval intelligence" and took a deal to access case files; the hosts assert Close Encounters is based on a true story and those same files informed E.T.
• Spielberg cited a 2017 New York Times article by Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal as what got him interested in the UFO topic, and he blurbed James Fox's documentary Out of the Blue as "compelling."
• Spielberg screened E.T. at the White House for Ronald Reagan, after which Reagan told the room, "There are about five people in this room who know that everything they just saw on that screen is absolutely real."
• Reagan subsequently addressed the United Nations proposing nations unite to fight off an alien invasion.
• The hosts claim E.T. was inspired by a real case in Kentucky in which a family found an alien on a farm and hid it in their barn while the alien communicated with an autistic child; the project originated as a Spielberg-produced film called Night Skies.

Disclosure Day: Spielberg's 20-Year Stewardship

Spielberg's Disclosure Day is read as a deliberate disclosure vehicle that has been gestating for roughly 20 years, with surprising continuities to prior Spielberg productions and the Dark Skies writers' own history.

• The speakers argue Spielberg has been refining the empathic-aliens concept for ~20 years, with an early version appearing as the cancelled 2004 EA game "LM O" about a woman with alien empathic capabilities chased by the government.
• Both Dark Skies writers were invited onto Spielberg's Taken (interpreted by the hosts as an attempt to bring them under studio control); Jesse couldn't take the job due to a Sony deal, so Bryce Zabel did it instead.
• Emily Blunt's "signature management" abilities in Disclosure Day closely mirror the LM O game concept and Dakota Fanning's empathic-psychic character in Taken.
• Spielberg is going on 80 years old; the hosts question why he would invest in Disclosure Day without guarantees it wouldn't be made irrelevant by real-world events.
• Spielberg has said the film is "much more truth than fiction" while also claiming he doesn't know anything the public doesn't; he appeared in his own trailer stating "this stuff is true," making the film polarizing in the UFO community.
• His recent IMAX live interview prompted speculation it may be his last major public statement.

Disclosure Day Easter Eggs: Numbers, Names, and Historical References

The film contains several "deep cut" details the hosts argue cannot be coincidental, including population figures, character names, and historical events.

• The first trailer had Josh Oconor saying "7 billion people have the right to know the truth," changed to "8 billion" in the final film, sparking debate about whether the filmmakers knew the world population.
• A character named Nathan Twinning (with 12 intelligence officers) appears in the film, referencing real-life General Nathan Twining, head of Air Material Command in 1947, author of the Twining memo, rumored Majestic 12 member, and known for the quote "the phenomenon reported is neither visionary nor fictitious."
• The film depicts President Nixon showing comedian Jackie Gleason alien bodies in Florida — a story originating with Gleason's ex-wife, who said he couldn't sleep for weeks afterward; Gleason later built a UFO-shaped house in upstate New York and allegedly owned 5,000 UFO books.
• Coleman Domingo's character delivers the lines "You need to go back. You need to go home to discover your destiny" and "It's the two of you. It's always been the two of you."
• A Hansel and Gretel-style gingerbread house with animals luring a child inside is interpreted as a false image of a spacecraft, paralleling Dulce-style abduction lore.

New Jersey Filming and the 2024 Drone Flap

Disclosure Day was filmed in New Jersey in late 2024, coinciding with the November 2024 drone/UFO flap over the same state, prompting speculation about direct production ties.

• Chris Ramsey of "Area 52" theorized the New Jersey drone flyovers may have been connected to the film's production.
• Rob Jones reportedly uncovered that Lockheed divested a recovered craft to Veraritoss Capital.
• Jesse believes Paritin — which has offices at Picatinny Arsenal, near the drone flyover zone — currently holds UFO material.

The Disclosure Chronology and Majestic 12 Touchstones

The hosts describe a "muddling toward disclosure" sequence interrupted by major historical events, with a clear cast of Navy intelligence figures serving as connective tissue across decades.

• Hillary Clinton was once expected to lead disclosure; after her loss, Tom DeLonge's efforts took over, leading to Disclosure Day, Age of Disclosure, and Trump-era document releases.
• 9/11 derailed disclosure momentum; David Grusch said Dick Cheney was the last person at the "pyramid" overseeing legacy UFO programs.
• Mark Felt was FBI deputy director and served as "Deep Throat" for Bob Woodward during Watergate; Woodward reportedly worked in the Office of Naval Intelligence spy ring before journalism.
• Nixon wanted to cut the CIA by one-third before being derailed by the Jackie Gleason alien-viewing event and Watergate.
• Chase Brandon, described as a longtime Hollywood CIA liaison who worked with Stanton Friedman, opened what is described as a CIA operation/liaison office around the 1997 Roswell anniversary advising on UFO-related entertainment.
• The "Invisible College" term was coined by Jacqule and Jaylen Heinik; the Majestic 12 documents emerged through sequential drops in the 1980s and 1990s.
• The hosts cite The Aviary as a rumored system of bird code names for disinfo agents around UFO truth, including Rick Doty, John Lear, and Bill Moore; Moore gave a speech admitting to a "Faustian bargain" on the topic.
• The Navy is credited with much of modern UAP disclosure, with Bray disclosing UAP sighting data through the Navy in roughly 2020–2021, and Stratton forming the UAP Task Force to internally review the data.
• The Robertson Panel (1953) concluded UFO reports should be made to seem not serious; afterward, Walt Disney and Ward Kimball were allegedly enlisted for a documentary using real government UFO footage that was pulled.
• 1947 marks both the Roswell incident and the Twining memo; 1950s flying saucer movies were made with CIA personnel involvement.
• 1996 saw Time and Newsweek both feature aliens on their covers the same week, coinciding with the build-up to the 1997 Roswell 50th anniversary.

The Source's "It's All About the Moon" Hint

A contact's cryptic comment about lunar mining and the natural resources implication was paired with a physical artifact, which the hosts tie directly to planned Dark Skies season 2 storylines.

• The source's "it's all about the moon" comment was paired with a glass vial of gold-fool's-gold-like flakes, implying natural resources are being mined on the moon.
• Dark Skies season 2 had been planned to feature a fictional Apollo 18 mission even though the real one was cancelled.
• The source told the writers to "move all that up," which they took as a script-influence overture.

Brent's Consciousness Framework and Witnessed Stranger Deaths

Brent Friedman (6'4", cancer survivor) treats UFOs, the paranormal, and afterlife experiences as a single phenomenon filtered through consciousness, and recounts an extraordinary pattern of witnessed deaths despite never working as a paramedic, in the military, or in a hospital.

• He cites Princeton/Stanford Research Institute parapsychology work allegedly run hand-in-glove with the Office of Naval Intelligence.
• He references Jake Barber's emotional "lock-on" to a craft and Jim Latsky's higher-platonic-order mental interfaces as part of a unified theory.
• Brent claims to have witnessed six strangers die in horrific ways; his first death was at age 5 in Berkeley in 1968, when a girl on a motorcycle in jean shorts with no helmet was decapitated after her back tire hit water on Marin Boulevard coming down from Tilden Park (he was in a VW bug with his father).
• At 15–16 on Telegraph Avenue during a Sunday twilight heading for pizza and beer, a person jumped from a three-story window and landed on their head on the sidewalk inches in front of him and his date.

Near-Death Experience with Three Light Entities

About 5 years ago, Brent had cancer surgery that led to sepsis and an ICU stay with a 105.5°F temperature and a purple DNR wristband, during which nurses repeatedly confirmed he wasn't expected to survive.

• Three light entities appeared at the foot of his bed — not speaking, but giving him calm; he declined the experience and recovered within 24 hours, leaving the hospital.
• He referenced the film Contact (Jodie Foster) when describing the light beings coming closer.

The Witch-Rider Ghost Encounter

While writing a ghost-story script in a 20th-century LA bungalow near Melrose on a Tuesday around noon, Brent had a paranormal encounter that turned out to match a 15th-century Scandinavian folk tale almost exactly.

• Brent heard "I'm right here" and saw a translucent, three-dimensional woman in a tattered sundress with stringy blonde hair and two undulating black-circle eyes.
• She pounced, pinned his arms with her knees on his biceps, and he saw NASA-like deep-space constellations through her eyes as his soul was pulled upward; a voice said "just look away," and the experience vanished when he turned his head.
• A friend directed him to Soap Plant, an esoteric book/novelty store, where the Whole Earth Catalog on page 187 contained a 15th-century Scandinavian tale called "Witch Rider" — a woman in a tattered sundress who appears at the foot of a bed, jumps on the person, and steals their soul.
• A psychic medium friend later told him the voice was his guardian angel/higher self and that "just look away" was said because he would have died on the bed.

Orcas Island Nordic Alien Sighting

On Orcas Island, walking a friend's 20-acre wooded property, Brent saw a tall, blonde, Scandinavian-male-model type about 20 feet down a hill in European clothes who said "Hello, Brent" without moving his mouth.

• When he looked back, the figure was gone.
• Local Orcas folklore says "tall white people" visit a gated compound by unmarked black helicopter in groups of about eight to "recharge" during high-energy periods.
• One allegedly walked into a pub, said "I live up the way," and asked "what's it like to live on Earth?" — a story locals call urban legend.
• Brent says he is now more inclined to believe we are not the only intelligent civilization in the universe than when he worked on Close Encounters.

Disclosure Paradox and Reality Management

The hosts frame disclosure as a paradox when non-humans may control the disclosure process itself from within government, extending the dilemma into questions about human identity and reality management by elite guardians.

• Brent argues disclosure is hardest when non-humans control disclosure within government, since disclosure would immediately "seed your control," extending the dilemma to "X-Men" hybrids/shapeshifters and a "red scare" of not knowing which humans are actually human.
• The hosts describe "ontological shock" as not just loss of free will but the inability to know whether people around you are human.
• They invoke a "Coleman Domingo" character archetype as an architect-like figure who "moves sets around" — a reality management system analogous to Plato's Republic guardian class.
• Whitley Strieber's Communion (1987) received nearly 500,000 letters from people whose memories were activated by the book; Strieber says he was chosen as a "communication node for disclosure" precisely because his horror-writing background made his accounts difficult to distinguish from fiction.
• A predictive-programming timeline: Betty and Barney Hill's abduction came ~11 days after the CBS Outer Limits pilot; the 1975 NBC movie The UFO Incident (James Earl Jones) was followed ~2 weeks later by Travis Walton's abduction, producing the "Fire in the Sky effect."
• Diana Pasulka, a UNC Wilmington religious-studies professor and author of American Cosmic, is cited in connection with the idea that UFO-related media shapes public experience.
• Prince Hans Adams of Liechtenstein (who has gathered Roswell witnesses and was photographed with Hal Puthoff) reportedly wrote back saying every time he approached incontrovertible UFO proof, it slipped away.
• Ernie Cline (Ready Player One, who worked with Spielberg) proposed that writers function as "remote viewers" channeling ideas from the future.

The Grusch Practice Interview

Bryce Zabel hosted what he describes as the first on-camera David Grusch interview, with Ross Coulthart conducting it at Bryce's LA house as practice before Grusch's NewsNation appearance.

• Bryce's son Jared, a director, was paid $500 to come film on short notice; Grusch appeared in cargo shorts and a t-shirt against a wall, which Bryce likened to a "hostage video."
• The practice interview ran 2.5 hours while the NewsNation taping went 3+ hours.
• Bryce heard about the Italian "magenta crash" story for the first time during this practice session.
• Grusch's attorneys denied Bryce permission to release the 3-year-old interview within ~2 minutes of his request; Bryce saw no major difference between it and the NewsNation version.
• Ross Coulthart had originally said the entire NewsNation tape would go online, but people later changed their minds.

Disclosure as a "Slow Dissolve" and Reality Managers

Bryce frames disclosure as a "slow dissolve" rather than a hard cut, introducing the concept of elite "reality managers" controlling the flow of information.

• Bryce uses the analogy of a "hard cut or slow dissolve" into post-disclosure reality and concludes we are currently living a "slow dissolve."
• The Phoenix Lights is offered as a hypothetical "hard cut" event, with Bryce imagining a large triangular craft slowly crossing Austin while smartphones and satellites document it.
• He frames disclosure as an individual, personal "activation" process that cannot be imposed en masse.
• Bryce cites Harold Malmgren's dying account of writing to the Atomic Energy Commission, finding his name in CIA files, and eventually in files held by "Majestic — the guardians of the world."
• A contact nicknamed "Coldart" reportedly had three independent, non-connected intelligence-community sources recommend the Netflix series Dark within a roughly two-year window, because of its themes of nuclear and time manipulation programs, multiverse splits, and pro-/anti-apocalypse factions.

First-Person Timeline Anomaly in an LA Airbnb

One speaker describes a terrifying two-hour reality-splitting experience in an LA Airbnb, which he ties to the Mandela Effect and quantum mechanics research.

• He describes three "downloads" — voice messages rather than stories — received across his life before the ideas were intellectually available: "reality is subjective" (post–high school), "you have everything you need" (suggesting humanity's pre-existing powers), and the single word "timelines."
• The third download occurred during a two-hour period around 1:00–2:00 a.m. in a Los Angeles Airbnb while he was researching a long-lost document; his world "shattered" and he experienced multiple timelines simultaneously, calling it the scariest experience of his life.
• During the episode, Slack messages from a European colleague and texts from his wife referenced content that didn't match his reality (a Slack conversation he'd never had, and a dog they don't own), suggesting two devices had been "polluted" with information from another timeline.
• By morning, devices were about 99% back to normal with residual artifacts; he considered psychotic break, sudden-onset Alzheimer's, or external interference as explanations.
• He connects the experience to the Mandela Effect and cites neuroscientist Wilder Penfield for the proposition that false memories are indistinguishable from real ones.
• He proposes a quantum mechanics-derived model in which the present flips 0→1 while past and future exist as wider probability ranges.
• His day job is working on a Call of Duty video game.

The "Sound, Light, and Frequency" Formula Document Saga

The document given by J.C. on September 21, 1996 has a remarkable recovery story and was not verifiable on the open internet for nearly 15 years until a CERN white paper appeared.

• The slip went into a Manila envelope, then a Los Angeles safe deposit box held by Brent; it moved with Brent to Washington and was eventually lost.
• It was recovered on the second day of searching when Brent's daughter, offered $500 by the speaker, found it stuck to the back of a book (moisture had reactivated the stickum).
• Early research produced a 20-page document identifying three interpretive frameworks: astral dynamics, quantum physics, and transcendentalism.
• The exact phrase "sound, light, and frequency" produced no Google hits for about 15 years, until 2012, when the first match appeared on a CERN server in a white paper about sonification of the God particle.
• The document is described as "oddly similar to Tesla" on frequency, leading the speaker to suggest JC may have been a Tesla devotee.
• The speakers plan to release the "formula" document publicly on a show with outside researchers rather than sitting on it.
• The speaker has been writing a book called Strange Visitors about Hollywood and UFOs for approximately 2.5 years.

The Coulthart/Nimitz Tic Tac Dispute

Ross Coulthart made a categorical on-air claim about the Nimitz Tic Tac that Bryce challenged directly, resulting in a public rupture between the two investigators.

• On a prior show, Ross Coulthart stated categorically (twice in the episode): "I can now state categorically that the tic tac is Lockheed Martin technology," referring to the 2004 Nimitz incident with pilot David Fravor.
• Bryce asked Coulthart to do an immediate follow-up defending the claim; Coulthart declined, and the two stopped recording together.
• Eric Hasellene, described as a former NSA director of research, has suggested the object could be massless per F=MA, allowing acceleration without conserving momentum, possibly functioning like a hologram.
• A 2017 New York Times article is cited as possibly conflating American national security programs with truly anomalous UAP data.
• Bryce, initially skeptical, now describes his own view as 50/50 on whether the Tic Tac is man-made.
• Bryce expresses concern that some disclosure advocates over the past 10 years may have ulterior motives, while crediting Coulthart for sponsoring his involvement in the David Grusch case.

Nuclear Sites, Patents, and UAP Encounters

The hosts cite additional documented UAP-nuclear connections and a relevant aircraft-control patent as part of the broader evidence picture.

• Robert Hastings is cited as documenting more than 160 people on the Personal Reliability Program (PRP) at U.S. nuclear bases who report seeing tic-tacs, saucers, and orbs at those facilities.
• Bryce reports seeing footage of a surviving Roswell gray alien being interviewed, with the alien suggesting an X-ray projection system similar to the high-altitude nuclear test Bluegill Triple Prime to shoot UFOs out of the sky.
• A patent by John Norsine involves neural imprints/interfaces for flying aircraft, with a Battelle study in the early 2020s following up via nanotechnology-based brain-signal translation for aircraft control.

Practical Items and Future Plans

The hosts outline their next steps for the Sound, Light, and Frequency podcast, a sibling show, and a hiring call.

• Bryce and Brent's new podcast focused on satellites and frequency (satellitfrequency.com) has completed the first half of a season; after a "Dark Skies" sidebar, they plan to shift into active investigation.
• Bryce is also producing a World War II Hollywood film.
• The hosts intend to release the "formula" document publicly on a show with outside researchers rather than sitting on it.