[@JesseMichels] Meet The Scientist Who Studies Alien Implants in Human Bodies

Link: https://youtu.be/iPxbILOMQ08

Duration: 94 min

Short Summary

Eric, founder of Neutron Star Technologies with approximately seven alien implants, discusses his decades-long involvement with UFO research after witnessing a disc-shaped UFO at age five in Oxnard, California. Dr. Roger Lear, a podiatrist who became known as the alien implant doctor, surgically removed 17 implants from different patients over 20 years, finding isotopic ratios up to 30% off from terrestrial norms, suggesting extraterrestrial origin. The episode explores recovered implant properties, alleged UFO propulsion systems, government programs, and testimonies from multiple experiencers about encounters with alien entities.

Key Quotes

1. "It turned out to be a sophisticated nanotechnological device." (00:03:13)
2. "Foreign objects always produce a physiological response." (00:03:55)

Detailed Summary

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Episode Overview

This episode presents two interconnected segments exploring alien implant research, propulsion theories, and government involvement in UFO investigation. The discussion weaves together personal experiencer testimonies, scientific analyses of recovered objects, historical government programs, and claims about alien motivations and alliances. Guest Eric recounts his decades-long involvement with UFO research after witnessing a disc-shaped UFO at age five, while the second segment features Steve discussing Robert Bigelow, government suppression, and experiencer classifications.

Guest Eric: Personal Abduction and Implant Collection

Eric, an experiencer and founder of Neutron Star Technologies, recounts witnessing a disc-shaped UFO at age five in Oxnard, California. He experienced his first encounter before dawn when he saw a bright yellow disc-shaped UFO hovering over his parents' house, then woke with blood and vague memories of something being inserted. His father, a colonel in the Army Reserve and dentist, also reported UFO sightings and admitted to dreams of being aboard a craft. Eric now carries approximately seven alien implants detected in his arm, knee, frontal lobe of his brain, and above each ear. He founded Neutron Star Technologies and Neutron Star Nano Technologies to utilize carbon nanotube knowledge and scan experiencers, having performed approximately 400 scans with about half producing implant hits.

Dr. Roger Lear and Implant Extraction Research

Dr. Roger Lear, a podiatrist with no prior background in ufology, was convinced to investigate alien implants after meeting Daryl Sims at a UFO convention. Over approximately 20 years, Lear surgically removed 17 objects from 17 different patients who claimed to have been abducted. His implant removal protocol used a stud finder followed by a G meter (magnetometer) to detect implants with magnetic fields. A paper submitted to the Journal of Scientific Exploration describing recovered objects as "unknown" rather than alien was rejected after initial interest.

• Dr. Lear had no prior background in ufology before being convinced to investigate implants by Daryl Sims at a convention
• He removed 17 objects from 17 different patients over approximately 20 years of work
• The detection protocol used a two-step process: first a stud finder, then a G meter magnetometer
• A paper was submitted to the Journal of Scientific Exploration but rejected after initial interest
• The paper described recovered objects as "unknown" rather than claiming extraterrestrial origin

Steve Coburn and Steve Pierce's Cases

Steve Coburn, who worked near Dr. Lear in Thousand Oaks and Camino, California, had an implant removed and analyzed using his access to analytical equipment, with funding from Haime Masan. He underwent regressive hypnosis and remembered aliens placing the device in him. Coburn observed giant raccoons in his backyard estimated at 75-100 lbs, which he believed were scout animals for aliens. Steve Pierce, another experiencer, had his car computer fried by an alleged alien energy weapon while traveling to film Dr. Bearden testing an implant. Pierce also analyzed wreckage from the San Augustine, New Mexico UFO crash and recovered a titanium alloy sphere with carbon nanotubes from Brownsville, Texas that was stolen from him by family members.

• Steve Coburn worked near Dr. Lear in Thousand Oaks and Camino, California
• Implant analysis was funded by Haime Masan and used Coburn's access to analytical equipment
• Regressive hypnosis revealed memories of aliens placing the device in Coburn
• Giant raccoons observed in Coburn's backyard were estimated at 75-100 lbs and thought to be alien scouts
• Steve Pierce's car computer was allegedly destroyed by an alien energy weapon while traveling to film Dr. Bearden
• Pierce analyzed wreckage from the San Augustine, New Mexico UFO crash
• He recovered a titanium alloy sphere with carbon nanotubes from Brownsville, Texas that was later stolen

Implant Composition and Scientific Analysis

Implants analyzed contained isotope ratios off by up to 30% from terrestrial norms, with heavier isotopes over-represented in three implants tested. X-ray diffraction revealed heavy elements including europium and californium in unusual atomic arrangements. The implant structure consisted of a gray membrane, bone-like layer, metallic core of meteoric iron with carbon nanotubes inside, and nerve cells connected to the device. Most remarkably, alien implants produce no immune or inflammatory response in the body, which is physiologically unprecedented for foreign objects. Dr. Lear found anomalous magnetic fields at experiencers' homes, including magnetized avocado tree trunks and magnetized stainless steel items.

• Isotope ratios were off by up to 30% from terrestrial norms with heavier isotopes over-represented
• X-ray diffraction revealed heavy elements including europium and californium in unusual atomic arrangements
• The implant structure had five distinct layers: gray membrane, bone-like layer, metallic core of meteoric iron, carbon nanotubes inside, and nerve cells connected to the device
• Implants produce no immune or inflammatory response in the body—a physiologically unprecedented phenomenon
• Magnetized avocado tree trunks were found at experiencers' homes
• Magnetized stainless steel items were also detected at experiencers' residences

Biefeld-Brown Effect and Propulsion Theories

The episode discusses multiple propulsion theories including the Biefeld-Brown effect where rapidly charging a capacitor creates thrust toward the positive pole, with the craft functioning as a capacitor between top and bottom plates. According to Bob Lazar, element 115 is used to amplify gravitational effects in UFO propulsion. A homopolar generator method involving molten iron and silicon mixture circulating around the craft creates magnetic fields and lift. Aliens reportedly achieve faster-than-light travel by using an antigravity drive to open a wormhole, traveling a few million kilometers before the wormhole collapses. Historical experiments include a 1956 French Air Force test of Brown's experiments in a vacuum at the Montgolfier facility in Paris with positive results, while a 1990 Air Force test only used 19 kV instead of the megavoltage specified.

• The Biefeld-Brown effect creates thrust toward the positive pole when a capacitor is rapidly charged
• The craft functions as a capacitor between top and bottom plates to achieve propulsion
• Bob Lazar claims element 115 amplifies gravitational effects in UFO propulsion systems
• The homopolar generator method uses molten iron and silicon mixture circulating around the craft
• Faster-than-light travel reportedly uses an antigravity drive to open a wormhole that travels a few million kilometers before collapse
• A 1956 French Air Force test at the Montgolfier facility in Paris produced positive results testing Brown's experiments in a vacuum
• A 1990 Air Force test failed because it only used 19 kV instead of the required megavoltage

Pyramids, Scalar Waves, and Ancient Technology

Pyramids worldwide are described as power sources and healing devices rather than tombs, aligning with Christopher Dunn's aerospace-based analysis that the Giza pyramid functions as a power plant. Synthetic aperture radar scans reveal hollow tubes possibly extending a kilometer deep beneath pyramids, with no tombs ever found in these structures. Egyptian hieroglyphics at Denderah contain literal depictions of Stargates matching ancient descriptions of portal devices. Scalar waves are described as a fundamental electromagnetic radiation form where electric and magnetic fields are 90 degrees out of phase and can travel faster than light, with Dr. Tom Bearden having written extensively on scalar physics.

• Pyramids worldwide are described as power sources and healing devices rather than burial tombs
• Christopher Dunn's analysis concluded that the Giza pyramid functions as a power plant
• Synthetic aperture radar reveals hollow tubes possibly extending a kilometer deep beneath pyramids
• No tombs have ever been found in these structures despite extensive exploration
• Egyptian hieroglyphics at Denderah contain literal depictions of Stargates matching portal device descriptions
• Scalar waves are electromagnetic radiation where electric and magnetic fields are 90 degrees out of phase
• Scalar waves can reportedly travel faster than light
• Dr. Tom Bearden has written extensively on scalar physics and its applications

Project A119 and Government Lunar Programs

Project A119 was a documented Air Force project in the late 1950s to detonate a nuclear device on the moon as a show of force against the Soviets, with Carl Sagan having temporary clearance. The Atomic Energy Commission showed unusual concern about Apollo 13's lunar module return trajectory, wanting it crashed into a deep ocean trench, with concern levels more consistent with a warhead than a standard radioisotope thermoelectric generator. Clyde Tombaugh, discoverer of Pluto, was recruited to investigate anomalous objects observed in geostationary orbit and wrote about Earth having smaller moons at approximately 500 miles altitude. Neil Armstrong was reportedly overheard saying the grays own the moon and told astronauts not to return without permission. Documented Gemini mission audio shows astronauts reacting to UFOs and electromagnetic anomalies, with NASA archivist airbrushing a UFO into a Gemini 11 photo.

• Project A119 was an Air Force project in the late 1950s to detonate a nuclear device on the moon
• Carl Sagan reportedly had temporary clearance for the Project A119 mission
• The Atomic Energy Commission wanted Apollo 13's lunar module crashed into a deep ocean trench
• Apollo 13 concern levels were more consistent with a warhead than a standard radioisotope thermoelectric generator
• Clyde Tombaugh, discoverer of Pluto, was recruited to investigate anomalous objects in geostationary orbit
• Tombaugh wrote about Earth having smaller moons at approximately 500 miles altitude
• Neil Armstrong reportedly said the grays own the moon and told astronauts not to return without permission
• NASA archivists airbrushed a UFO into a Gemini 11 photo

Robert Bigelow and Aerospace Connections

Guest Steve reveals that Robert Bigelow was planning to hire him for his aerospace company, but the deal ultimately fell through. Bigelow founded Bigelow Aerospace, which was reportedly involved in UFO reverse engineering and even hired an alien implant specialist. According to Steve, Bigelow had a personal alien experience in the desert where aliens instructed him to meet them in space. Steve claims that the government actively suppressed funding for his research by telling wealthy supporters not to fund his work. This alleged interference is presented as a significant barrier to advancing UFO-related scientific inquiry.

• Robert Bigelow was planning to hire guest Steve but the deal ultimately fell through
• Bigelow Aerospace was reportedly involved in UFO reverse engineering
• Bigelow even hired an alien implant specialist for his company
• Bigelow reportedly had a personal alien experience in the desert where aliens instructed him to meet them in space
• Government suppression allegedly included telling wealthy supporters not to fund certain research work

Nikola Tesla and Chapel Hill Physics Conference

The interview discusses Nikola Tesla's claims to have communicated with aliens while working in Colorado Springs. Steve also references John Wheeler's diaries, which mention "space brothers," prompting him to investigate similar phenomena that parallel experiences described by researchers Towns and Brown. Argo Bonsson headed the Institute for Field Physics at UNC Chapel Hill and funded Towns and Brown while hosting top gravity physicists. The Chapel Hill conference in 1957 brought together notable figures including John Wheeler, Freeman Dyson, Fineman, and Peter Bergman to discuss physics research, with Bonsson working on anti-gravity research.

• Nikola Tesla claimed to have communicated with aliens while working in Colorado Springs
• John Wheeler's diaries mention "space brothers" which prompted investigation into similar phenomena
• Argo Bonsson headed the Institute for Field Physics at UNC Chapel Hill
• Bonsson funded Towns and Brown while hosting top gravity physicists
• The Chapel Hill conference in 1957 featured John Wheeler, Freeman Dyson, Fineman, and Peter Bergman
• Bonsson worked on anti-gravity research during this period

MK Ultra Connections and Mind Control

Martin Cannon's book "Controllers" examines MK Ultra's connection to alien experiences and how some experiencers' memories may have been altered to appear alien in origin. Jolly West, head of UCLA's psychiatry department in the 1980s, was a major figure in MK Ultra experiments known for dosing an elephant with LSD. Tom O'Neal wrote "Chaos" presenting the hypothesis that Charles Manson was an MK Ultra patient. Mark David Chapman (who shot John Lennon) and Sirhan Sirhan (who shot Robert Kennedy) are both believed to have been MK Ultra subjects.

• Martin Cannon's book "Controllers" examines how MK Ultra may have altered experiencer memories to appear alien
• Jolly West was head of UCLA's psychiatry department in the 1980s and was a major figure in MK Ultra experiments
• Jolly West was known for dosing an elephant with LSD as part of his experiments
• Tom O'Neal wrote "Chaos" presenting the hypothesis that Charles Manson was an MK Ultra patient
• Mark David Chapman, who shot John Lennon, is believed to have been an MK Ultra subject
• Sirhan Sirhan, who shot Robert Kennedy, is also believed to have been an MK Ultra subject

Class 2 Experiencers and Research Classifications

Steve introduces the concept of "Class 2 experiencers," a classification for people with alien encounters characterized by obsession with weapons—one such individual reportedly had guns in his house, causing controversy. He speculates that aliens use brain implants on obsessed researchers as a "distributed science model" to collect intelligence and have humans conduct their research. The speaker suggests that people attracted to UFO research primarily for commercial reasons often fail in their endeavors, indicating skepticism toward profit-driven approaches to studying unidentified phenomena.

• "Class 2 experiencers" are classified as people with alien encounters characterized by obsession with weapons
• One Class 2 experiencer reportedly had guns in his house, causing controversy
• Aliens may use brain implants on obsessed researchers as a "distributed science model"
• This model allegedly allows aliens to collect intelligence while having humans conduct their research
• Commercial-driven UFO researchers often fail in their endeavors according to the speaker

Alien Motivations and the Galactic Federation

Beings reportedly stated there is an alliance of seven different races from planets within 100 light years of Earth. Aliens oppose human nuclear weapons because they make humans too powerful, risk damaging the planet, disrupt a life force structure in the ether, and interfere with alien communications across dimensions. Aliens monitor nuclear sites and implanted military personnel. Harvard PhD Jensen Andre documented similar UFO activity at Chernobyl and Fukushima, where a Shinto monk claimed UFOs appeared to clean radiation following the 2011 nuclear disaster. Beings stated Earth is extremely rare with only four or five planets like it teeming with life in the entire galaxy. Aliens abduct pregnant women from specific bloodlines (Germanic, Celtic, Native American) to genetically modify the fetus. Implants are described as medical monitoring devices tracking blood sugar and body temperature, functioning like tagging zoo animals applied to specific bloodlines.

• There is reportedly an alliance of seven different alien races from planets within 100 light years of Earth
• Aliens oppose nuclear weapons because they make humans too powerful and risk damaging the planet
• Nuclear weapons reportedly disrupt a life force structure in the ether
• Nuclear weapons also interfere with alien communications across dimensions
• Aliens monitor nuclear sites and implanted military personnel
• Harvard PhD Jensen Andre documented similar UFO activity at Chernobyl and Fukushima
• A Shinto monk claimed UFOs appeared to clean radiation following the 2011 Fukushima nuclear disaster
• Beings stated Earth is extremely rare with only four or five planets like it teeming with life in the entire galaxy
• Aliens abduct pregnant women from specific bloodlines including Germanic, Celtic, and Native American
• Implants function as medical monitoring devices tracking blood sugar and body temperature
• This monitoring system works like tagging zoo animals and is applied to specific bloodlines

Full Transcript

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two um small gray beings came into my
room and um woke me up and said, "Come
outside." And I put on um these steel
toe boots I had by the bed and went
outside with them and there was a UFO
hovering at a very low altitude over the
backyard.
I woke up and I knew that I had had an
implant in my toe. The aliens had been
there in the middle of the night and I
had one more on the side of my head,
too. Wow. We found the object and we
took it out. that looked like nothing
that I had ever removed before.
>> If you can just feel my hair right
there. You see that? There's
>> Oh, yeah. There's something in his ear.
>> The magnet sticks to my ear.
>> Wa wa.
>> Some of my favorite interviews have been
these guys. They have implants. You
know, they're close encounters of the
third kind, type two abductions. I go in
for the post operation meeting with the
doctor and he said, "I found something
in your right nostril that was so hard I
almost couldn't break through it."
>> How many people do you think are walking
around with alien implants inside of
them?
>> 350,000 people. These people are way too
powerful to fight and they're experts at
mind control. They can make you do
anything they want you to do willingly.
>> The beings that implanted you is that
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Steve Coburn, I am so grateful that
you're here. This has been a long time
coming. I was just saying offset I've
been trying to get in touch with you for
the last two or three years maybe. I've
followed your work. Uh it seems like in
UFO world. Uh we seem stuck on the
existence or non-existence of lights in
the sky, right? And there's a whole uh
kind of history of research, deep
research from very credentialed people
uh discussing kind of you know deeper
threads if you will around close
encounters of the third kind abductions
uh implants often being found in these
people's bodies. There's a legendary UFO
researcher named Dr. Roger Lear, who
everybody likes to pay homage to, and I
view you as kind of his living heir in
many ways.
>> Yeah, I guess that's about right these
days. I mean, nobody else has uh taken
up the uh the research and he taught me
everything he knows he knew. So, um I um
would very much like to um uh continue
the research when fun when funding
becomes available. It's crazy that
funding should be uh completely
available. This is like the most
interesting stuff, you know. So, um uh
let's just establish for the audience
who who is Dr. Roger Lear. He's known as
this, you know, sort of alien implant
doctor. Who what's his what was his
background? How did he get into this?
>> Well, he was a podiatrist and uh he was
always interested in UFOs. He was um the
most knowledgeable euphologist I've ever
met. And um he um was at a UFO
conference once and um uh Daryl Sims
tried to get him interested in alien
implants. He thought the subject was
ridiculous at first. Um then he finally
said his uh one of his friends convinced
him to take another look at it. So he
said um uh to uh Darl um well you know
uh get some of these people down here to
my office and we'll get them x-rayed and
uh take the object out and see what it
is. And so that's how the research
started. And he ended up taking out 17
objects from 17 different people over
about a a 20-year period.
>> We found the object uh the first one and
we took it out. Uh it looked like
nothing that I had ever removed before
in a way of a foreign body. And believe
me, I had removed all sorts of things
from even a hair to paper to uh metals
of various kind and so on. Never saw
anything like this. It was a a T-shaped
affair that was wrapped in a very tight
biological tissue which was this really
strange color and texture. And then we
took a scalpel and we wanted to see what
was inside.
>> That's the idea of the whole thing. And
we were amazed to find that we couldn't
cut through this biological tissue. It
came back uh with absolutely no
inflammatory response.
Now, that really makes you want to
scratch your head because how do you get
something into the human body and not
have the body react to it? Well, that
just doesn't happen. Uh maybe there's
some weirded out explanation that I
didn't understand from one site. Uh
maybe uh two sites, but three sites uh
from two different people uh that's just
a little too much to handle.
>> And where was he based?
>> Uh I found out that Dr. Leer was working
in Thousand Oaks when I was working in
Camo, California, only a few miles away.
And um I um
uh had some a weird experience uh where
uh I saw these giant raccoons in my
backyard and uh when I was at the house
alone one night and um I fed the animals
and observed them for some time and
there were um about between 75 and 100
lbs I'd estimate. I didn't even know
raccoons got that big. And evidently
there were scout animals for the aliens
because I went to bed and woke up about
8:00 the next morning and um had a sting
a bad stinging pain in my toe and uh I
had reason to believe it was some kind
of an implant and so I went to see Dr.
earlier and um I don't think he believed
me at first, but he gave me a
prescription to get the uh toe x-rayed.
And um I knew we were going to see
something on the x-ray, but when I did,
that changed my life forever. It looked
like a bent piece of wire on the x-ray.
And um um I didn't remember um getting
any shrapnel in there or anything like
that. So
it was um quite an experience. Then um
he got funding from Haime Masan to uh to
remove it a few months later and um he
didn't have anybody to analyze it. So um
where I was working at the time I had I
had access to a lot of analyt analytical
equipment. So um I analyzed it for him
and it turned out to be a sophisticated
nanotechnological device.
Uh have you read my paper on that
implant?
>> I have not. Let's let's hear about it.
Um well, it um it turned out to have
very um skewed isotopic ratios and
several elements that were in the
metallic core and um to the extent that
it looked like it probably came from
another part of the galaxy, not just
another planet. And um
>> but how how can you know that from the
isotope ratios? Well, because um the
isotope ratios are characteristic um of
um elements from different places and um
if um they're off by more than a percent
or so um that means it's from it's not
from from Earth. Um these were off by up
to like 30%.
>> What were the elements and what were the
isotopes? Um uh the first one I think it
was boron uh boron and copper and um
there were there were um uh similar
results from other implants I analyzed
and um anyway the the structure of the
device was um a gray hard to cut
membrane um and below that a um a layer
of uh material that was similar to bone
like a biological hard part like bone or
mother of pearl. Then below that a um
metallic core with um uh made of
meteoric iron with carbon nanot tubes
inside the metal
and um nerve cells connected to the
device. Um the pain in my toe got worse
over a period of days and um
um led to um a lot of uh electric shock
type pain whenever I put any weight on
the toe. Um and um I think that was the
nerve cells growing in the device. Um
these devices also produce no um uh
physiological reaction in the body and
that's unheard of. Foreign objects
always produce a physiological response.
>> So there's no immune response.
>> No immune response, right?
>> Really interesting. And could these
elements and isotopes theoretically
have been uh produced in some sort of
centrifuge?
You could, but uh in order to produce
those exact ratios, it would probably
cost millions of dollars and be very
difficult to do.
>> So the question is why?
>> And why would anybody do that?
>> Why would anybody do that?
>> Um do you remember undergoing some sort
of alien abduction experience prior to
that being
>> I didn't remember it consciously, but I
underwent regressive hypnosis and
remembered uh aliens putting in the
device. Yeah.
>> What was that experience like?
Um well they um two um uh gray small
gray beings uh came into my room and um
woke me up and said come outside. And I
put on um uh these steeltoe boots I had
by the bed and went outside with them
and there was a UFO hovering at a very
low altitude over the backyard over this
avocado tree I had at the Fillmore
house. And um they um uh indicated that
I should stand below the center of the
center of the craft and um took me up
with a tractor beam. And Star Trek got
it right, by the way. It's like a blue
or greenish uh uh beam that lifts
things, a gravity beam. And um the
center of the craft, it was about 50 ft
in diameter. Um similar to Lazar's sport
model, uh if you're familiar with that.
>> Oh yeah. And um uh the center of the
device or craft was an airlock um that
had uh human and alien space suits
available and there were four doors
leading to the to the four quadrants of
the craft. Then there was a habitation
ring around the outside and u a pilot
station with uh two pilots and um uh
appear to be thought controlled. They
had their hands in a panel
>> and on top of a panel
>> and uh screens where they where they
were observing different things.
And um they took me around to um the
station at 90° to the pilot station. And
there was a a a couch that slid out of
the wall. And they indicated this guy
indicated me for me to lie down. And um
uh it was a a taller gray. And um he
took out a device that looked like um a
black plastic handle with um a piece of
1/4 in uh stainless steel tubing on it
and touched it to my toe and um pushed a
button and that must have put the
implant in and um um there were uh fiber
optics going down the uh the center of
this piece of tubing and I think that's
what activates the device UV light and I
think that's what accounts for Um these
red marks you see on experiencers too. I
think they're mini sunburns from UV
light.
>> Interesting. And so how long were you up
there for?
>> Um about an hour. Um they waited for a
long time for orders I think before
actually putting in the device cuz I
think because they knew it' start an
investigation. They weren't sure they
wanted that cuz a bunch of weird stuff
had been happening previously. And um um
>> where were you living at the time?
>> Uh Filillmore, California.
>> Okay. Filmore. And was this during that
night or
>> Yeah, it was a night about 3:00 in the
morning. They usually come about 2 or 3
in the morning.
>> Um and um so finally after about being
up for about 45 minutes, I go like guys,
you know, I'm tired. If you if you're
not going to do anything, then uh let me
go back to bed. And so they they put the
device in at that point and that didn't
take very long once they decided to make
up their minds.
>> Are you communicating telepathically
with them?
>> Yes, it's telepathically. Yeah.
>> Okay. Do you see any symbols around the
craft?
>> Yeah, there were some some symbols look
like hieroglyphics
on labeling the instruments on the pilot
station and uh on some of the walls. Um
they had a believe they had a vector
symbol,
a blue vector symbol on the wall, a
pretty big uh symbol and it had two dots
circles below it. And um their uniforms
are usually cobalt blue and have um
either a um a snake with a uh a snake
over a triangle or um three
uh orange circles arranged in an
equilateral triangle.
>> And um I'm led to believe that um the
three um orange circles arranged in an
equilateral triangle is the symbol of
the gray alliance. The the uh grays are
not one species. There are like several
I believe seven different species of
similar aliens that um are bound by
treaty and come within come to us from
planets within 100 light years of here.
>> Where how are you getting that?
>> Uh I believe they told me.
>> Oh, they told you that. And
uh what else did they tell you?
>> Uh a lot of stuff about physics and um
propulsion. Most of which I can't
remember consciously.
>> Do you remember anything about the
physics and propulsion?
>> Uh yeah. Yeah. Um they use a combination
of or several methods to create
anti-gravity and they they definitely
have anti-gravity drives and um they use
uh like three different methods to
create um anti-gravity.
>> Do you remember the methods?
>> Yeah, one of one is is a home polar
generator. Um
if you take a disc, the basic homopolar
generator is a disc uh uh metallic disc
rotating uh in a perpendicular magnetic
field and it creates a voltage between
the the center and the outside of the
disc. And um the aliens use a version of
that u to create most of their lift
where um they uh circulate
molten metal around the outside of the
craft that's magnetic
uh from uh analyzing samples of the
material that were dropped. I think it's
usually a a mixture of um iron and
silicon. the silicon's probably in there
to lower the melting point. And um
there's a strong magnetic field um
between the top and bottom of the craft.
That's why uh the um uh
that's why equipment like uh car
electrical systems goes out when a UFO
is near because of the very strong
magnetic field.
And um they also um use a method um
called the bofield brown effect to
generate lift where um you rapidly
charge a capacitor um and and there's a
thrust in the direction of the positive
pole and the on a lot of these things
the entire craft is a capacitor between
the top and bottom um the top and bottom
uh of the craft are like plates of a
capacitor.
>> So they told you they use the biffield
brown effect these aliens.
Yeah,
>> that's really interesting.
>> And um
uh they according to Bob Lazar, they
didn't I don't remember him telling me
this, but according to Bob Lazar, they
also use element 115 sometimes to
amplify the the gravitational effect.
>> Yeah. Yeah. That's amazing. I'm I'm
obsessed with Towns and Brown. So
I that gets me excited. The fact that
there's some, you know,
>> corroboration from an experiencer that,
you know, maybe that that is how the
craft actually works. Many institutions
and people have tried to either downplay
or falsify Brown's experiments. For
example, in 1990, the Air Force tested a
Biffield Brown experiment in a vacuum,
but they only used 19 kovts instead of
the mega voltage Brown was using. But in
1956, Jacqu Cornion, a French Air Force
officer and technical representative for
one of France's largest aircraft
companies, sued west, facilitated
Brown's experiments in a vacuum in the
Montgier facility in Paris.
>> The test very very tricky. It was
sensitive to so so many things in
finally it worked. So that was a
positive result.
>> Did they say anything else? So, they're
giving you all this insight into the
into the physics.
>> Uh, they talked about time travel quite
a bit. Um, and the physics of that.
>> What did they say?
>> They said that um that they have time
travel. They don't like to use it very
much because um and especially don't
like to do long jumps because you could
um if you travel back in time too far,
you could get back get on a different
timeline and it would be difficult to
get back to your own. Uh that's the main
reason. Um there's um the many worlds
interpretation of quantum mechanics is
um is uh generally correct except that
um uh minor decisions I'm not sure how
the universe decides what's a minor
decision and what's a major one but um
minor uh decisions in quantum mechanics
uh where something happens on a
subatomic scale um most of those uh just
collapse on themselves and don't become
a separate timeline but some do So this
is this idea that the wave function
doesn't actually collapse. It sort of
infinitely branches. But you're saying
that in certain cases,
>> it's a combination. Some some most of
them collapse, but some of them continue
on and become a different timeline.
>> Makes rough sense. That's interesting.
>> Yeah. And then the the ones that do
continue on are as real as this one.
>> And um if you go back uh too far and
then try to go forward again, there's a
chance you might end up on one of those
branch points.
>> Yeah. Yeah, cross one of the branch
points and end up at a different
timeline.
>> Did they connect the, you know, quote
unquote anti-gravity with the time
travel? Because Biffield Brown effect
and Towns and Brown himself is very
interested in time travel because of the
relationship between gravity and time
and general relativity.
>> Well, the way they move faster than
light is that they they use the
anti-gravity drive to open up a
wormhole.
>> And um I'm not sure how they um they
choose where the other opening of the
wormhole is, but they they can do that
somehow. And then they'll go through it
and go a few million kilometers before
the wormhole collapses. Wormholes are
unstable. And um they can do the same
thing with time. They just open up a
wormhole in a different time where the
the opening isn't in a different time
they want to visit. And the other reason
they don't like to use time travel too
much is because um it's difficult to
judge exactly when you're going to come
out
>> to the second like they like to do.
>> Yeah. Well, that seems to be the case.
And you have like Travis Walton dropped
off near where he was picked up, but not
it's usually not like very precise and
there's like sort of missing time
involved. So
>> yeah. Yeah. In Dr. in um Travis Walton's
case, Dr. Leer thinks he or he was dead
and they brought him back to life.
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Travis was thrown like 20 ft by um
either a weapon or getting a shock from
the electric field around the craft. And
um he um wasn't moving uh when he was
flying through the air or when he landed
on the ground. And um all the people in
his logging crew thought he was dead.
>> That is definitely true. Did any of
these beings uh tell you why they were
doing what they were doing to you? Did
they give you any sort of sense as to
why they would implant your toe of all
places?
>> Um that it was a medical monitoring
device is my understanding uh to or
monitor things like blood sugar and body
temperature and things like that. Why
why you is it just like this thing that
they it's like if we go to the zoo we
tag the animals sort of thing or what do
you what do you think?
>> Uh it's kind of like that except that um
it's they do this to to only bloodlines
that they're interested in and um they
have an MMO where they um they um uh
genetically they they abduct pregnant
women from bloodlines they're interested
in and genetic genetically modify the
fetus.
>> What determines which bloodlines they
might be interested in? I'm not sure.
That would be a closely guarded secret
on their side, but um mainly they're
interested in uh in Germanic, uh Celtic,
and Native American people. There are
exceptions, but um they're looking for
some sort of uh genetic combination that
those particular races have in more
abundance.
>> Fascinating. Okay, so you have this.
Anything Anything else, by the way? I
always I feel like with experiences I'm
always like damn I should have asked
that one more thing about like what the
what the being said. Was there anything
else you can recall
um but
them telling me?
>> Yeah. Anything they told you?
>> Well, the part about them um uh being an
alliance of seven different races coming
from planets within 100 light years of
um I remember that uh pretty distinctly.
Oh, and they also told me that um that
the Earth is a very important planet to
a lot of races and that um planets that
have some life are pretty common, but um
planets that are teameming with life
like this are are not common at all. He
said there's only four or five like it
in the galaxy.
>> And um so they want to preserve uh life
on the planet and uh they are worried
we're going to screw it up.
Yeah, that seems to be a common theme uh
among experiencers as far as what gets
relayed.
>> Oh, and they told me that there's
there's pyramids all over the galaxy.
They're evidently um uh power sources
and sources of healing rather than
tombs.
>> You know, it's funny you say this. I
feel like 20 years ago in conventional
archaeological circles, they would have
said that that's totally quacky. And now
you have people like Christopher Dunn
who's, you know, I don't know if you're
familiar with this guy. He's like a
former aerospace guy coming out saying,
you know, that uh it looks like the
pyramid is some sort of power plant. And
now we actually have synthetic aperture
radar scans underneath the pyramids that
where it looks like there might be these
sort of coiling uh uh columns, these
these hollow tubes that go down possibly
a kilometer deep.
>> Mhm.
>> So you have increasing speculation. We
know that there have never been any
tombs found in these structures. Yeah.
>> And we were just talking earlier that
below Danderea, you actually have
hieroglyphics that translate to
Stargate.
>> The Egyptians talk about Stargates.
>> Do they do go to uh where is it? Um
Danderea. There's actually a couple
places the literal translation. You can
read it on the walls. I always show
people when we go there. Uh it is there
are two or three depictions of
Stargates. That is the literal
translation for it. We know there are
actually little chambers where a human
could probably lie in and you know some
of these I think in the great pyramid.
>> Yeah. That that uh sarcophagus they
called it in in the queen's chamber.
It's probably a healing device.
>> Yeah.
>> Um I have a theory where um gravity is
not a a uh pulling force but a pushing
force. It's um if you're accelerating
through space you experience inertia. If
space is accelerating towards you, you
experience gravity
>> and um uh 0 point energy is turned into
real energy in the cores of planets and
stars and that creates a partial vacuum
in the ether that um that causes the
ether to accelerate towards that
gravitating body
>> and um that creates gravity.
>> So you I mean this is there's so many
different threads I want to Yeah. It's
like the um you know the the movie uh
Stargate literally with Kurt Russell you
know the Air Force actually consulted on
that. Yeah. And it's like that it's this
portal or something and then it would
explain the astronomical alignment the
idea that all the ancient civilizations
thought that the souls actually the soul
moved through Orion's belt which it
seems you know aligned with. Um but
there are some interesting questions I I
feel like I have to press on that arise
from what you just said. the ether, you
know, they say was disproved in the
1890s with the Michaelelsson Moley
experiment.
>> It wasn't it wasn't disproved. Even
Einstein said in his later lectures that
um there could be an ether, although it
would have to be multi-dimensional and
have uh strange properties. Well, that's
that's that's the case. I mean the ether
um I I believe they told me this too but
other people have come up with this
theory that um that uh the ether is
composed of tiny particles that are um
on the order of the plunk mass and the
plon dimensions. They're like 10 to the
20th times smaller than an atomic
nucleus. And they they have a magnetic
and electric dipole moment and interact
with each other much more strongly than
they interact with uh ordinary matter.
And um matter going through it without
accelerating um does not experience a
force because it acts like a super
fluid. But when it's accelerating
there's a there's an electromagnetic
drag force that they call the people
that people that uh believe in this
theory call the rindler flux. um which
uh causes inertia and um um
uh you can actually derive Newton's
second law by assuming a spatial
structure of that nature.
>> Interesting.
>> Yeah.
>> Whoa. Who's like developed this theory?
>> I several several physicists I don't
recall their names off hand but I can
look it up for you.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I'd love to. Yeah. No,
you're right that um later Einstein said
general relativity is not actually
incompatible with the ether. So that is
an important and then I would also say
about the michaelelsson mory experiment
you know the absence of evidence is not
the evidence of absence. Yeah
>> and so we we we just don't know you know
but I do think
>> yeah that's this kind of hotly debated
contested thing. So it's a very
interesting theory. But
>> in the Michael Marley experiment, the
ether is probably being dragged by the
instrument itself that might account for
the results of no uh observable um uh
ether movement. But um there was another
guy named Milikin, I believe his name
was, um that actually did come up with
some positive results for uh e motion
through the ether.
>> That's interesting. I didn't know that
about Robert. Robert Milikin was at
Caltech and Towns and Brown actually
studied under him and uh then they kind
of got into it cuz Milikin didn't really
believe in Brown's stuff.
>> Ironically, Brown believed what you said
which is that gravity is more of a push
than a pull.
>> And so you're saying cuz Milikin did a
lot of the experimental proving of the
Einstein's photoelectric effect from
1905. Yeah.
>> But I didn't know that he had something
to do with the ether and detecting the
ether. That's fascinating.
>> Yeah. Yeah. He he he said he detected it
and he was a pretty highowered uh
physicist.
>> Really?
>> Yeah.
>> Oh, wow. I
>> He didn't detect it directly, but he
detected um Earth's motion through the
by an experiment on Mount Wilson, I
believe it was.
>> Wow. Fascinating. Well, I'll have to
look into that. Um you know, it's it's
interesting. We t we take so many things
for granted that we've never detected
like dark matter and the but the ether
is like completely like we're not
allowed to talk about. It's like a dirty
word or something.
>> Yeah. I don't I don't think I believe in
dark matter after 50 years of
experimentation. There's no evidence for
it at all. So, and you don't you don't
really even need dark matter to explain
the results. The reason they they
postulated dark matter in the first
place is because um the of the motion of
the galaxies um they they behave as
though um there's uh either either
gravity is acting as an inverse linear
force at those distances or um there's
um a halo of of massive u matter above
and below the galaxy. Well, um the um
postulating that gravity is an inverse
linear force at those distances is
actually a simpler explanation than
postulating some unknown form of matter.
>> Yeah, I think you're right because dark
I would bet against dark matter and dark
energy. The dark energy is not one of
the four fundamental forces. It's this
sort of you know just
>> I think dark energy is the zero point
energy. That's what's causing the earth
or the universe to expand more rapidly
rather than it's supposed to be slowing
down according to Einstein. But uh dark
energy aka um uh zero point energy is
causing the expansion to accelerate.
>> It's fascinating. Quantum vacuum
fluctuations,
>> right?
>> Yeah. I mean, okay, we could have a
whole other discussion on physics. I
want to stick with the So, you you
experience this kind of profound thing.
you end up with this, you know, um,
implant in your toe. So, you don't know
what's happened at that point because
you haven't gotten a hypnotic
regression. Is that point?
>> Yeah, I I didn't know I didn't remember
what happened. I just I woke up and I
knew that I had had an implant in my
toe. The aliens had been there in the
middle of the night and I had uh one in
one more on the side of my head, too.
>> Really? You had
>> my my my head kind of hurt right there.
>> Whoa.
>> And uh that shows up in a stud finder.
>> Okay. Wow. And then you get in touch
with Roger Lear.
>> Yeah.
>> And you emailed him.
>> Um I just went to his office.
>> Okay. You just showed up.
>> I just made an appointment and and went
over there and and um told him I had a
possible foreign object in my toe and in
the middle of the appointment, I uh told
him that uh it was a
it was possible alien implant or an
abduction related.
Excuse me. I don't think he believed me
at at first, but um uh he gave me a
prescription to get it x-rayed. And um I
he he said to give a copy of the film to
the patient and I definitely saw
something on the x-ray and that was
wild.
>> That is extremely wild. What did it look
like? Like I tell people too that
there's a heck of a difference between
uh strongly suspecting that something
like this is going on with you, which I
had for years, and knowing for sure. And
proof like that, you know, for sure.
>> Yeah.
>> Um what it looked like. It looked like a
piece of uh bent piece of wire on on the
X-ray. And it was um it was uh larger uh
in real life when we took it out than it
looked on the X-ray.
>> Wild. Okay. So you see this X-ray and
then do you have a hypnotic regression
and you remember the full experience
with these alien beings?
>> Yeah, pretty much. Yeah.
>> And is Roger Leer at that point kind of
bought into the extraterrestrial or or
other entity, nonhuman hypothesis?
>> Yeah, he was he was excited. Um he
wanted me to come over and check out my
house and we found all kinds of
anomalies, anomalous magnetic fields, um
leaves and the uh the trunk of the
avocado tree had become magnetized. Um
and uh in the kitchen stainless steel
knives had become magnetized and the
wood of the cabinets and all kinds of
stuff. Wood seems to be very susceptible
to magnetization by alien equipment.
>> Interesting. I think normally it
wouldn't be
>> right. Yeah,
>> it's either a magnetic monopole or
magnetic fields beyond a certain
strength leave a a residue. Um
>> uh magnetic monopoles make a certain
amount of sense. It would be a um it
would be ether that had a magnetic
charge to it that would be absorbed into
the material and it seems to uh decay
away over a period of several weeks.
>> And how many uh implants did Roger Lear
remove?
>> He removed a total of I believe 17 from
uh 17 different people.
>> Wow. And how many have you removed?
>> Um I I haven't removed any. I don't have
a license to to operate on.
>> Okay. But you sort of look into this
stuff.
>> I attend I attended the last three
removal surgeries including my own.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah.
>> And how many have you seen like
firsthand?
>> I've seen probably six or seven.
>> Wow. And uh does any of part of you or
does any part of you know from your
conversations with Roger Lear think that
this could have been human tech?
>> Um no uh most of them did not look look
like human tech at all to us and there
was reason to believe that that uh the
materials came from uh not only from
space but from other part of our galaxy.
But um we did find or he did find one or
two that looked like human tech that
looked like just standard microchips.
>> Wa. And so so such a crazy territory to
kind of operate in or think about. So
you think there are maybe a couple that
represent I mean what would those
microchips have come from?
>> Well, the government's experimenting
with implants too, but they're they're
much less sophisticated than the ones
the aliens use and they're much bigger.
>> Yeah. And and that would make sense. I
mean the I mean the Yeah. the government
has had like sort of mind control
programs like you know MK Ultra sort of
stuff
>> and they probably have used chips and so
but these things are they have so they
have isotope ratios that
>> don't normally occur on earth that would
cost millions of dollars to create a
centrifuge
>> um any other sort of abnormalities or
anomalies
>> well I I noticed that uh in in three of
the implants that um had the isotopic
abnormalities the the heavier isotopes
in those elements were over represented.
>> I I talked to people who really did
analyze the stuff from the real deal
stuff and it's super weird. It's like
heavy element um you know europium
California stuff. It's like in these
atomic arrangements
>> that make like no sense. You know, this
is through X-ray defraction where they
can image the shadows of the atomic
pairs and stuff and it's like why
>> is all these crazy heavy elements in
this like weird ceramic metal
hole structure and it doesn't we don't
understand the emergent uh metamaterial
property. So it was either it's either
either they come from closer to the
center of the galaxy where there's
heavier supernova and all these heavy
elements are created in supernova
explosions where there's a massive
cascade of neutrons in one part of the
explosion u and rapid neutron capture
creates these uh elements heavier than
iron and um uh it's so it's either
either that or the elements had been
exposed to a massive quantity of u of
neutrons. Um either way, it's very uh
very strange and most likely um way
beyond human technology.
>> Yeah. And a lot of neutrons would be
outside the Van Allen radiation belt or
something, you know, a lot of
>> or in a in a reactor or a zeroplane
energy uh uh uh energy generator
>> also the the no immune reaction. It's
like neur you think of Elon Musk as the
tip of the spear with technology and you
know he had all these issues with the
you know electrode implants in people's
brains where there would be immune
reactions even to this day I believe
Nolan Arba the first patient I think
might need some like tweaking after like
the first thing worked because of this
sort of immune reaction issue.
>> Oh yeah Dr. clear told me that um um any
foreign object in the body produces an
im an immune reaction. Silicone produces
the least immune reaction of all
substances known, but even that produces
a fair amount. Um as a lot of women that
got silicone breast implants could
testify.
>> Mhm.
>> But uh these produce none whatsoever. It
it's just very beyond strange.
Do you notice commonalities in
behavioral patterns changing from some
of these patients?
>> Um,
it's I I think there are some changes,
but it's they're hard to to notice. I
know that when I had uh my toe implant,
it was like very subtle, but it was like
uh there was some sort of a of a
governor put in my thoughts or and I
felt more free once it was removed. It's
it's but it was very subtle. Wow.
>> And um people were telling me that I I
didn't look well, that I had a gray
complexion or something when I had the
implant.
>> Really?
>> Yeah.
>> So it affected you in sort of a negative
way
>> apparently. Yeah.
>> Why do you think ah it's so strange. I
ideally you know the alien tech or
whatever would you know be so so you
know if it's not creating an immune
reaction it wouldn't you know suppress
your thoughts in any sort of negative
way.
>> Oh maybe maybe what they told me about
it being a monitoring device was just a
cover story. Maybe they were trying to
produce some changes or something.
>> It's fascinating.
>> But um they um
um they definitely um were were hesitant
to put it in because they know start an
investigation and uh I I suspected that
that I was experiencer for years that
had missing time experiences and had no
other way to account for them. But um
it's kind of easier to be easy to be in
denial if you don't have any real
concrete proof. It's a wild conversation
for me because you seem like a very
smart guy and then a lot of these things
are just so so out there. Do did um
>> I mean I wouldn't even entertain I'm a
scientist. I wouldn't even entertain a
lot of this stuff if I didn't approve.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's
you're you're backing up all your
claims. So, it's it's really amazing. Um
Dr. Roger Lear, did you find him to be,
you know, fully kind of bought into the
kind of non-human hypothesis as the
origin for
>> he was fully uh fully bought into the um
uh extraterrestrial hypothesis. Yeah.
>> And he it was 17 or 18 implants that he
removed to
>> 17 I believe. Yeah.
>> 17.
>> And um and he had no background in this.
He was just a podiatrist. And
>> yeah, he thought it was ridiculous at
first, too. But um
>> did he stumble upon a per like there was
one of his patients or something and he
pulled it out?
>> He went to he went to um a convention I
think the UFO congress and um he met
Daryl Sims there who was um the original
guy on the implants and um uh he tried
to convince Dr. Leer that it was worth
looking into and Dr. Lar said ah you're
full you're full of it and everything
and a friend another friend of Dr.
uh convinced him to go take another
look. And he he went back and told Sims
that that um you know, if you can get
some patients out here that have these
things, um I'll X-ray them and take the
object out if it's there and we'll find
out what it is.
>> Did Lear ever try to write an academic
paper on any of this stuff?
>> Yeah, he he and I tried to write a paper
and we tried to publish it in the
Journal of Scientific Exploration and um
they um first they first they said they
were excited to have it. Then I think
somebody got to them and they said that
um it was ridiculous. They didn't want
to publish it. And um we weren't even
saying it was alien. We just said it was
an unknown object recovered from from
somebody's uh somebody's leg.
>> And um um they um they really uh gave us
a hard time about it. And um I I'm I'm
pretty sure that somebody told him not
to publish it.
>> That's so crazy. It's like Yeah, because
it's funny. you you can go on chat GPT
and they say Roger Leer has no
academically, you know, uh peer-reviewed
papers or whatever. It's like you tried
you
>> we did try.
>> And it's it's funny. I think you always
have to sanitize the results and just
say no, we found something anomalous
like we don't we don't we're not even
jumping to conclusions, but even then
sometimes there's this sort of antibbody
rejection of a lot of these findings.
There's a a friend of mine, Beatatric
Voriel. She's a an astronomer um from
Stockholm University. Um and she's PhD
out there. And she uh basically from the
the Palomar Observatory
>> uh which was you know one of the most
prominent uh you know observatories in
use in the in the 40s and 50s. Uh she
noticed all sorts of uh these what look
like essentially UFO like objects. these
these light reflecting objects that look
like kind of mirrors
>> in orbit.
>> In orbit.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> In geo.
>> Yeah. They they they recruited Clyde
Tomba, the discoverer of Pluto, to
investigate those, too.
>> That's fascinating. So, there's a
history of looking into these
geocynchronous
uh uh objects that seem to exist in the
the the the tens of thousands. And he
wrote he wrote an article, Tom Bar wrote
an article saying that Earth had um some
smaller moons orbiting at about 500
miles up. And um I know from my own
experiences that that gay mother ships
orbited about that altitude. Then they
launch the smaller UFOs that actually go
out and sort abduct people and such. So
fascinating because the other the other
thing is, you know, I go back and forth
on the moon landing stuff where I if I'm
if I'm debating with the skeptic on the
moon landing, it's like I'm I'm
extremely open to us having actually
landed on the moon, but
there something's off about the whole
story. Something is off.
>> Well, they're they're concealing a lot.
There's a lot up there they don't want
people to see
>> that. So, it's like maybe they saw
something along the way, you know.
>> And um interesting uh that you mentioned
the moon stuff. Um I found out um that
um Apollo 13 may not have failed by a
mechanical problem. It may have been
zapped by the aliens because they may
have had a nuclear warhead on board.
>> What?
>> Yeah.
>> How did you find that out? Well, I I I I
can't prove it, but it was the next
logical step in their seismic uh program
where um Apollo 11 put a seismograph on
the moon and so did Apollo 12
>> and it rang like a bell.
>> On Apollo 12, they crashed the ascend
stage of the lunar module into the moon
and it rang like a bell for hours.
>> Then um uh on Apollo 13 when they were
approaching the moon, they they crashed
the third stage of the Saturn 5 into the
moon and made a bigger bang and rang
like a bell for even longer. And um so
if Apollo 13 had landed on the moon,
they would have had three seismographs
and would been able to probably map the
interior of the moon a little bit um uh
with the seismic waves that would be
generated by another event. And the the
next logical step would have been to um
put a remote detonated small nuclear
device on the moon and detonated after
the astronauts leave.
>> Jesus.
So, but you you're just hypothesizing
that you have no evidence that
>> I have I have no real evidence, but one
thing that made me really suspicious
that this might be true is that um I
remember when I was a kid uh following
this mission and um uh when the lunar
module was coming back to Earth, the uh
atom the atomic energy commission was
just going ape over this and they wanted
the lunar module um uh put on a
trajectory that would put it into a deep
ocean trench. And their level of concern
was they they said it was because it had
a radioisotope thermmoelectric generator
on board, but their their level of
concern was a lot more consistent with
it being a warhead.
>> WA That's fascinating. So they were that
freaked out.
>> Yeah, they even though it might endanger
the astronauts lives to do that, they
wanted that thing crashed into a deep
ocean trench. And
>> uh they've had RTGs on spacecraft before
that have re-entered that they weren't
that concerned about.
>> Um
>> it's really interesting. Yeah, it's
funny. You know, there's a actually an
Air Force project that's documented
called Project A119, and it was
literally to nuke the moon as a show of
force against the Soviets. And Carl Sean
actually had a temporary clearance.
Remember that
>> it's a look to look into doing this. So,
we know that
>> in the late 50s, obviously before the
Saturn and Apollo projects, that this
was being considered.
>> So, who knows? I mean, you might be
right, man. It's really interesting.
Well, I know that I know that if um if
there were no aliens on the moon or
anything else like that to worry about,
I think I think the grays own the moon,
by the way, and they told us not to come
back without permission. Anyway, and uh
that's
>> You think they said don't come back
without permission?
>> Well, Armstrong Arm Armstrong was
overheard at a party saying that.
>> Really? What party?
>> Uh some party in Washington DC with big
wigs and several people said that that
he said that. But
>> and he said that the grays said
>> that's hearsay, but
>> the grays said, "Don't come back." Yeah.
>> Until we give you permission.
>> Something to that effect.
>> Any other details there?
>> Um
uh well um some people at NA some
whistleblowers at NASA said that um that
he was on a private channel after
landing on the moon. um and um said that
uh that uh a spacecraft landed on the
moon right after they did a few mile a
couple miles away and were watching him
and um um it was probably the same one
that they said they saw following him.
Um uh the the whole uh Apollo 11 crew um
said a few years ago on on television
that u that there was some object
following him to the moon that they
thought it was the third stage of their
of their booster at first, but NASA
confirmed that it that that the booster
was like 700 miles away.
And this this object was maybe only
about 5 or 10 miles from them.
>> Jesus Christ. And you have you
definitely have documented audio from
the Gemini missions of them. And then
there's a literally like they're
freaking out about um UFOs. There's an
outage, you know, showing some sort of
electromagnetic anomaly present. And
then in the they have this um book
actually, the Simpkinson uh textbook
that shout out to my buddy Chris Ramsay
from the great show Area 52. He uh made
me aware of this book where this UFO is
like airbrushed into the photo for the
Gemini 11 mission where it's this like
kind of tongue-in-cheek joke if you're,
you know, this is official NASA
archivist airbrushed this UFO which
looks like the best UFO photo ever.
>> Well, the astronauts used to admit to it
long ago before the security was that
tight. And um um and um I think they
were seeing these things uh almost every
mission in the early days. So wild. How
many people do you think are walking
around with alien implants inside of
them?
>> Well, the people that they implant uh
they they've they've abducted about 3%
of the American population according to
Dr. L. I think that's about right. It's
between probably between three and 5%
that take samples.
>> What is he basing that off of? Is this
like sort of a census style like his own
his own research and extrapolation?
>> Okay.
>> And um
>> uh based on what I have seen um most uh
most what I call class 2 experiencers
that are actually at at the next level
part of the alien program um have
implants, but the the first class where
they just take samples from do not
generally. And um
uh about um I would say very roughly
about one in a thousand people are class
2 experiencers in this in this country.
And it's might be similar worldwide. I'm
not sure. Um so if that's the case then
say there's 350 million people in the u
in the US. Uh that that would be about
uh 350,000 people.
>> It's a lot of people walking around with
implants. Yeah, that's right. Yeah.
That's like 10 10 to 15 million for
experiencers overall and then class 2
experiencers who get the implants around
a few hundred thousand.
>> And it's standard procedure for for them
to put a brain implant into class 2
experiencers that enables them to um
access your sensory information to uh
see what you're seeing and hear what
you're hearing and probably hear what
you're thinking in real time.
>> So you're like an almost an avatar or
something like they're you're this
perceptual like drone for them or
something. It turns you into a walking
bug and it and it connects you to the
gray hive of mind. They told me that
too. And uh all all individuals in their
society are connected to a high mind
kind of like the Borg on Star Trek but
they have a little bit more
individuality than that. And um um every
experience they have is recorded. And um
um
uh they um so if if all these people are
implanted um then they presumably only
put um the brain implants into people
that they can get some good information
from. So
>> being that that's the case, they
probably know everything that's going on
in the society. M we have Eric Mitchell
here who um we did an amazing show with
yesterday and he's you know what you
might call kind of a super experiencer.
You guys are friends.
>> You found a few different implants and
Eric is that is that right or
>> I don't remember what the results were
off hand. Um my records got stolen
recently but um I'd like to do the the
exam again but yeah I saw some
indications of implants and and Eric and
uh we found some dies on them recently.
the alien dies. We haven't talked about
that yet.
>> So before we get to the dyes, the
implants, what are what are we calling
indicators of implants?
>> Um well, I have a protocol that um uh is
uh mostly Dr. Leer's protocol that he
that he turned me on to and um you um
first uh inspect the patient with a um a
stud finder, a small metal detector that
detects conductive objects into the skin
and concentrate on any any areas of
concern first. um where they think they
might have an implant from anything they
remember um or any symptoms they might
have had. And um um if if you record the
areas where you get stud finder hits,
then you go over uh the person with um a
G meter a sensitive magnetometer. And if
you get if you get an area that has a
stud finder and a g meter hit, um that's
almost certainly an implant because
these these implants uh almost always
have magnetic fields.
>> So have you had a stud finder and uh
magnetometer, you know, the scouse
finder uh hit for Eric?
>> I think we had I think we had two
recall.
>> Eric, do you remember where exactly they
detected one of these implants? uh back
to my neck
>> um my arm and Dr. Lear uh he thought
maybe there wip might be one in my knee.
It was like a weak signal. So he sent me
a 100 lb neodymium magnet
>> which uh I should have been very careful
opening that box a little more careful
like uh you know it was like a cartoon.
There was probably dangerous.
>> Yeah, it was dangerous. Um, but he
wanted me to u hold it to my knee maybe
10 minutes a day, you know, watching TV
or something like that, put it back in
the bubble wrap, make sure it's safe,
and then pull it back out the next night
and keep doing that. And he didn't think
that it would pull uh it to the surface.
He he theorized that it would create
like an eddy bubble, an eddy effect to
kind of loosen it from the tissue and
bring it, you know, to the surface,
which actually worked. And so do you
have any uh like incisions or marks or
like you know any sort of raised skin
where either of these implants are or
>> Okay. Have you removed anything?
>> No. Okay. No. Two weeks before I was
supposed to meet with Dr. Roger there uh
in um uh Eureka Springs, Arkansas, he uh
unfortunately passed away.
Um yeah, the um the portals of entry
with these implants u uh heal incredibly
fast. Um mine healed within hours. So
>> Whoa.
>> You um yeah, you're not going to find
anything like that.
>> How many implants do you have like photo
evidence of?
>> Um
six or seven, I think.
>> Could you send some of those over? It'd
be cool to show them to the audience in
post-production.
>> Sure. Yeah.
>> Sweet. Thank you. And um yeah.
>> So what are you working on now? What is
what is is it Neutron Nano Star Tech?
Yeah, I have a company called Neutron
Star Technologies and um
>> uh Neutron Star Nano Technologies as
like a spin-off of that
>> and um I've been um um just um trying to
get that funded and um utilize some of
the carbon nano tube knowledge I have to
maybe produce some products and I've
been doing scans on uh experiencers.
>> Cool. And um I've done probably 400
scans on on people and uh
>> so of those 400 scans, how many produce
a hit.
>> Um well, it's a pre-selected audience.
So um
probably about half.
>> About half. W.
>> Yeah.
>> Interesting. And at this point, are you
sort of you're known as like, you know,
Roger Lear's, you know, living
apprentice and so people hit you up?
>> Yeah.
>> Interesting.
>> Okay.
So fascinating. What what how old were
you when you had your experience?
>> Uh I remember having experience at age
five where um I think that's when they
put the brain implant in where I
remember um um waking up uh before dawn
and seeing a a bright yellow um lit up
UFO um disshaped UFO hovering over my
parents house. And um then I I watched
it for a couple of minutes and blacked
out. Then uh woke up about uh 8:00 in
the morning and the sun was up and um I
um had blood all down the front of me
and uh had a vague memory of somebody
putting something up something something
up my nose.
>> Jesus. And this was so this was age
five. This is well before the toe
experience.
>> Yeah.
>> And where are you living at the time?
>> Oxnard, California.
>> Okay. What did your parents do?
>> Um not much. They just uh saw he had a
nose bleed and that was
>> wild. I mean, what did they do
professionally?
>> My dad was a dentist um and um was uh a
colonel in the Army Reserve and uh my my
mother was
uh his assistant at one point uh and
bookkeeper at one point and was
housewife the rest of the time.
>> And they they did did they freak out
when they saw you with blood running
down or what was their reaction?
>> Not really. I mean, um,
uh, my parents were, um,
not the type that freaked out about that
sort of thing.
>> Interesting.
>> And that might be, uh, because of alien
conditioning. I I would
>> Did they have their own experiences?
>> Uh, my father admitted much later that
uh, he had he'd had dreams of being on
board a UFO and he said he said he saw a
UFO uh, one time over um, central
California. wild as a cylindrical UFO
with a red light on the front he said
>> as a as a um colonel in the reserves.
Did he have any sort of affiliation with
any possible reverse engineering
programs or like deeper spookier?
>> I don't I don't I don't think so, but I
think there's a lot he he was uh
reluctant to tell me. And um he said he
did call um the um uh military uh the
nearest military airfield to where he
had the sighting and reported it.
>> Yeah, it's fascinating. And so Okay. So,
wow. So, you're 5 years old. You see
this bright object. Do you remember
vividly being on that craft? No, you
don't. Okay. So, you just wait.
>> I think they I think they came down into
my room to put it in that time.
>> And you have And you Where is the
implant? It's It's Or was it? It's It's
in the brain. It's in the frontal loes
of the brain.
>> And do you still have it there or
>> I'm sure I do.
>> Wild.
>> And um I've got one above each ear
apparently. Um uh I wasn't sure about
those. I saw them on X-ray barely, but
they're really really small. Wow.
>> And but they started giving off they
started giving off radio signals during
a Japanese TV show I was I was uh
filming.
>> Oh my god. How do I know they're there
now?
>> What were you doing on Japanese TV? Um,
they wanted to interview somebody with
implants.
>> Wow. And you since you had you're five
years old and you have blood all over
and gee that's traumatic, man. That's
like a tough crazy thing to go through.
>> Well, uh, this experience is pretty
traumatic for a lot of people.
>> Yeah.
>> Um, it's like there's certain advantages
to it. Um, u you get to fly in space. I
mean, a lot of these abductions are take
place on great mother ships in orbit.
>> Yeah. Um and uh I remember I remember
seeing the earth from space uh being up
there and
um but um you just have to take the the
bad with the good. I mean I I hate to
tell people um this but these people are
way too powerful to fight.
>> Yeah.
>> Um and they're experts at mind control.
They can make you do anything you want,
anything they want you to do willingly.
>> Of the That's a I don't even know how to
answer to to talk about that. In the in
the 200 out of the 400 that you
personally found implants in. Um, do
these people have usually UFO
experiences associated with the implants
or in certain cases are is it like
people coming into their room sort of
thing?
Uh they usually remember um seeing UFOs
and or remember being on on board UFOs,
but um it's both. I mean, sometimes they
come into your room and uh do whatever
they need to do, and other times um they
come and get you and take you up up to
orbit and if they want to do anything
special or whatever. Do you think at any
point in time some of the mind control
stuff we discussed earlier uh was like
aliens were used as sort of some sort of
smoke screen for that? Like it was like
uh there's a book called uh controllers
by a guy named Martin Cannon and he
talks about MK Ultra but then the air MK
often and how there are implants
involved in some of these things and how
they would shade people's experiences to
make them think that they were alien.
And to be honest, it's kind of a slim,
poorly researched book that doesn't for
me explain everything neatly at all. But
uh yeah, what's your what's your take?
>> I think that that may occur. I think
that MK Ultra might might do that
sometimes, but I think that the vast
majority of the um experiences people
have are uh more or less what happened
and really are aliens. Um I I have no
doubt in in my mind that that the aliens
are here and they exist and there's more
than one species involved.
>> Yeah. I mean there's so many cases that
I also encounter where I'm like you just
can't explain that with
>> with you know human prosic tech. I do
find it interesting you were at you were
at UCLA in the 80s. Yeah.
>> You know who was head of the uh UCLA
psychiatry department at that time. Are
you aware?
>> Um I probably was but
>> guy named Jolly West. Did you ever
interact with him at all?
>> No. No.
>> He was like a head honcho in the MK
Ultra.
>> Well, I'm not surprised. Um I did used
to work at the UCLA Neurosychiatric
Institute as a researcher for about 5
years.
>> Okay. Okay.
>> I he probably had authority over that uh
that branch. I bet
>> he might have. Yeah. I don't know. But
definitely a spooky not great guy. I
think he got in trouble for like dosing
up an elephant with ridiculous amount of
LSD and then the elephant died and he's
on record uh there are letters between
him and Sydney Gotautle and he he
there's a great book called Chaos by a
guy named Tom O'Neal who's become a
friend of mine and he basically has this
hypothesis that Charles Manson was this
MK Ultra patient and it's a really crazy
>> he may have been I think I think that um
that that guy that um shot uh Um
um
John Lennon was uh
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> MK Ultra guy. And I think I think Syrian
Syrian that shot Robert Kennedy was too.
>> I think so as well. Yeah. Yeah. So
that's this is a weird threat. But so
there's that stuff and then the Do you
think what do you think these the
implants are doing when it comes to the
alien? You think it's just it's just
tagging? It's biometrics and and then
maybe there's some mind control stuff
going on. It's perceptual hacking.
>> I I don't know. I don't know all the
details of of what they do. Um um they
keep that the aliens keep that mostly
secret, but I think some of them are
medical monitoring devices. Some of them
are tracking devices. Um and uh some are
um the brain implants actually enable
them to uh hear and see what you're
hearing and seeing seeing in real time.
Do does um any of the structure that
you've investigated um kind of allow you
to see what the functionality might be
like cuz you're you're looking into you
know nanotechnology so presumably this
would use nanotechnology.
>> They do. Yeah. They're they're
sophisticated nanotechnological devices.
Um most of them have carbon nanot tube
electronics built into the metal and
that's beyond our technology. M
>> um and uh there's strange structures I
can show you some of the electron
microraphs u
>> please
>> and um there's very strange structures
that um would be beyond our technology
to form right now I'm not sure what they
do but I suspect that has something to
do with uh uh emitting the radio signals
>> of a lot of these people you encounter
um is it usually grays is it sometimes
Nordics or reptilians or some of these
other sort of archetypes
Um I remember seeing um mostly different
types of grays um on board uh on board
the craft. The the real short worker
type grays and the the ones about 4 and
1/2 ft tall that I call the scientist
engineer types. And um uh I have a
handler that's one of those. And um
>> I think most most class 2 experiences
have a handler.
>> What what when you say handler, what
does that mean?
>> Um a contact person that that is in
charge of your case on board ship.
>> Whoa. Um,
>> so a being.
>> Yeah. Being. Yeah.
>> And how do you like are you still
telepathically in touch with that
handler or something or
>> uh I have reason to believe I am. Yeah.
I think he's hearing hearing this whole
conversation right now.
>> Whoa.
>> Um
>> what's up handler?
>> And u uh they record um everything that
uh is experienced by every member of
their society and that includes class 2
experiencers. Uh when you get the brain
implant it connects you to the great
hive mind. Like I said,
>> this is wild. Does does any part of you
think that humans discovered, you know,
there was this I think in um early 2000s
there was this concern of the like
runaway gray goo nanotech, you know,
scenarios and nanotech was all the rage
in the early 2000s and then it sort of
like went away. And does any part of you
think that humans can do any of this
stuff like in deep black contexts? I
think that that nanotechnology is not
that dangerous as long as you don't
design some uh some microp probe that's
self-replicating
>> and but um
>> yeah, that was the Grey Goose scenario.
>> Even if even if you did, I'm not sure it
would be all that dangerous. But um I
think what is dangerous is AI. If they
ever do develop true self-aware AI, I
think that would be extraordinarily
dangerous.
>> Yeah. Seems like
>> the aliens don't believe in it. So I
think that's why
>> Yeah.
>> They believe in computers, but they
They're controlled by um by minds.
>> Do you think there are good and bad
factions of aliens or do you think
they're all good or all bad or
>> No, I think there's good and bad
factions. Um
>> the beings that implanted you think good
or bad or
>> they're mainly out for themselves. Um
but they're not all they're not scum
sucking evil either. I mean, they they
they want um humanity to mature into a
peaceful more peaceful species and
become members of the Galactic
Federation or whatever you want to call
it. And but they're mostly here to um
mine the Earth and the Moon and collect
biological samples.
>> I mean, that that seems reasonable and
not not bad. Um
what do you think of modern dis
>> They don't they don't care about the
suffering they inflict on people. That's
that's one bad thing about them.
um they they everything is for the group
with them. They're they're a collective
mind.
>> Um they don't care about individuals and
they they just care about what's best
for the group.
>> Why do you think they care so much about
nuclear? They seem to show up. Some of
my favorite interviews have been these
guys that are often in their 70s and 80s
at this point. They worked at nuclear
bases all over the US and in certain
cases they board crafts, they have
implants, you know, they're close
encounters of the third kind and I guess
what you're calling kind of type two,
>> you know, abductions or something.
>> Yeah. Um, yeah, I think a lot of lot of
mil lot of top military people are
implanted and keep the aliens keep tabs
on them. But, um, I think they don't
want us having nukes because, um, A, it
makes us too powerful. B, it, um, it has
the great potential to screw up the
planet and, screw up a lot of their
their plans for this place. And C, um,
it, uh, can damage the planet's life
force.
reasonably believe there's structures in
the ether that um contribute to life on
this planet somehow and a nuclear blast
could disrupt that at least in the
general area where it was detonated. And
they they said also that it it screws up
their communications and uh leads to
problems in other dimensions that they
didn't want to go into.
>> Yeah. No, that that is interesting about
like they seem to show up at nuclear
disaster. Like there's this lit
literally this monk at this Shinto
temple in uh Fukushima and when they had
their 2011 famous nuclear spill due to
the earthquake, he was like the the UFO
showed up and cleaned up the temple.
>> They were trying to alleviate the
radiation.
>> Exactly.
There's a Harvard PhD named Jensen Andre
who writes about basically a similar
experience in Chernobyl and they they
measured this like nuclear tower before
and after.
>> And so I think it goes beyond just them
not wanting us to blow ourselves up.
There's something about the ambient
electromagnetic radiation of just the
Earth that is this perfect kind of petri
dish, you know, biosphere.
>> Yeah. Yeah, that that makes sense. And
and there's um maybe the maybe the Earth
is actually emitting some of this, but
there's there's structures in the ether
that are lifegiving and that might even
resurrect some extinct species at some
point in time. And nuclear blast could
disrupt that and radiation in general
can disrupt that. And um also the
government's known for years um the the
aliens definitely have this technology
and the government's known for years
that um you can actually affect the
decay rate of radioisotopes by certain
uh scalar electromagnetic waves. Um
scalar waves are are a special form of
electromagnetic radiation that has a
different structure. It's a more
fundamental form of electromagnetic
radiation than the transverse waves they
talk about in the textbooks. And um it
interacts with the nuclei rather than
the electrons and atoms like transverse
waves do.
>> Explain what a scalar wave is because
scalar physics and scalar waves are
often thrown around in these super
handwavy ways and yet they're often used
as terms you know extended electronamic
scalar waves by people who I really
respect in kind of aerospace world. So
what's your definition? It's they're
trying to keep it secret, but um enough
has got out to know the basics. Um a guy
Dr. Tom Bearden talked about this a lot
in his books if you've read any of
those.
>> Yeah.
>> And um anyway, a scalar wave, a
transverse wave, EM wave is a um wave
that um has the E and the B fields
perpendicular to each other and it moves
in a manner perpendicular to both. And
um the E and the B fields are in phase.
In a scalar wave, um the electric and
magnetic fields are 90 degrees out of
phase. And um the magnetic field curves
around like that and the electric field
um radiates as if it's coming from a
positive or negative charge point. And
um it uh it's like a sound wave in the
ether basically.
>> Um and they can travel faster than
light. They're not restricted to light
speed.
>> So I've heard similar things to that.
And then the two places I always get
frustrated is I'm like, have we ever
measured a scalar wave? And usually the
answer like have we? Do you think we
have?
>> Uh I think they have lots of times. And
>> how would we classified labs, but I I
have reason to believe that I haven't
done the experiments yet. I'd love to to
get in the lab and do some, but um uh I
have some quantum reason I have reason
to believe that you that you can
generate scalar waves with standard
radio equipment, but a different type of
antenna. M you'd use a a dome-shaped
antenna, a capacitive antenna with um
say um say a plastic dome with metal on
both sides and you connect the the
electrodes of the u of the oscillator to
um each metal metal piece.
>> Fascinating. Okay. And why do you think
that that design would allow you to
transmit scalar waves?
>> Um uh towns and browns work basically.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Well, he had an asymmetric
capacitor where the negative electrode
was larger than the positive electrode.
>> But I think basically my sense is that
the main thing is big electric field
differentials. If you create big
electric field differentials, then you
can somehow harness the quantum vacuum
fluctuation stuff.
>> Yeah, high voltages work better with
that. I have reason to believe I I I
wish I could uh I wish I had some
concrete proof for you, but um just
reading all this stuff that's available
and thinking about it a lot and put this
together.
>> Yeah.
>> Um but yeah, I think high voltages
should work better for that.
>> Yeah, it's very interesting. Yeah, I
mean high voltages definitely correlate
with high electric field strength and
then there are ways to amp up the
electric field strength kind of
artificially. Yeah.
>> As well. But um
>> so fascinating. So what are you trying
how do we advance on this topic now? Is
this are we just in the stone age when
we find these implants? Are we just
like, we think this works like XYZ, but
we just have no idea what we're kind of
looking at or
>> Well, I think the next step is we have
to do more research um on the implants,
excuse me, while they're still in the
body and um try to um
u measure exactly how much they're
transmitting and um uh try to decode
some of the signals and uh after they're
removed from the body, I think we need
to um we need to try to connect the
connect the um there's
uh carbon nanot tube bundles that are
like the main connections to the device.
We should try stimulating those with
with uh uh different voltages and see
what happens
>> uh under electron microscope or or under
microscopy in general. It wouldn't have
to be a EM for that I guess.
>> Is there anybody else systematically
looking into this besides you?
>> No. And then the third thing I would do
is um use fast atom bombardment to uh
shave off uh uh the devices layer by
layer and um map the distribution of
elements in each layer
>> and the distribution of carbon nanot
tubes.
>> That would be fascinating. I mean if you
could do some atom by atom you know
analysis that would be also just
groundbreaking because if if these
things are fabricated on the atomic
layer and then that's not something that
we can do.
>> Yeah. They look like they're grown
somehow.
>> That's so wild. Like they're like
they're biological themselves or
something.
>> Uh or or nanotechnological like they
look like they were grown by some sort
of mechanical life like the Transformers
on the the movies.
>> Um
uh that's a hand waving thing, I guess,
but that's the best I can do right now.
But um
putting that putting a device like that
so complex together uh by uh standard
methods would be next to impossible I
think.
>> And um um the other thing I wanted to
say is that um when I first got into
this I thought the aliens are probably
only a few hundred years in advance of
us technologically but um now I think
that uh it might be more like a million
years in advance of us.
>> Why is that? Well, I've se they they
show off once in a while and and um and
uh show experiencers exactly how far
ahead of us they they really are. Um
um one incident uh that um really
impressed me um was that um they um
zapped my car with some kind of an
energy weapon when I was um uh going to
Dr. builder's office to um uh film um
uh him um testing the implant while it
was still in the body. And um
uh the mechanic said later that the the
computer in the car was fried like it
was exposed to EMP or something. And uh
so I had to walk like that they did it
when uh I was in this canyon didn't get
any cell phone reception. So I had to
walk like 2 miles down the canyon to get
cell phone reception and call him. And
um uh he and the film crew showed up and
and picked me up and brought me to the
office. And when we got to the office,
he goes, "Steve, come here. You got to
see this." And uh he'd pulled my X-ray
out of a stack of X-rays. And um um it
was in a stack with about 200 other
X-rays. and um he showed it to me and
the lettering from the outside of the
envelope that the X-ray was in had
somehow been transferred to the
developed X-ray film.
>> What?
>> Yeah. I'm not even sure in theory how
you could do that.
>> So, it's like root access to reality
levels of manipulation or something.
>> Something like that. Um and bizarre.
Another time, um, my son and I were, uh,
driving to our old vacation place in
Bullhead City, Arizona, and we were on
Highway 40, out in a remote area, and,
um, I saw this, uh, this bright white
light hovering over this valley about 5
or 10 miles away. And, and it was really
bright and I go, "Hey, look, Garrett,
there's a UFO." And he goes, "What? I
don't He I don't see anything." And I'm
like, "How could you not see that? It's
like as bright as Venus and um so I was
tripping out on that and
go well you know and um then um
a few miles down the road uh he started
seeing ones that I couldn't see. It's
like they can they can control who sees
them
>> uh and who doesn't. And I don't know how
they do that either.
>> Yeah. not not only signature management
but like unique sign signature
management for the person perceiving.
>> Yeah, I have I have some some uh
theories about how they might manage to
cloak themselves in general by various
methods. But um
>> what do you think it is?
>> Selective selective uh uh seeing like
that sounds uh a little hard to do.
>> That seems really hard to do. Do you
like the access to our brains and they
have access to the signature management
stuff. Do you think that we have reverse
engineering programs and crash
retrievalss and all?
>> Oh, yeah. I think that's all true.
>> Yeah. Do you have any What's your like,
you know, highest conviction, hardest
evidence on that? Cuz you seem like an
evidence-based person.
>> Um, well, I I analyzed some of the um
the wreckage from the San Augustine, New
Mexico UFO crash and analyzed a piece of
um an alien uh orb or sphere from that
time got a hold of. And um
>> was this the Boougga sphere or
>> No, not the Bugosphere, but another one.
>> The Boogas had different uh different
design, but um uh this one um was about
about this big round and it had um large
um vaporized from the looks of it um
holes in the the north and the south
poles of the sphere. Um the the edges of
the holes had been damaged by tremendous
heat. And um uh Massan bought it from a
farmer that um uh farmed about 100 miles
south of the US south of the US border
um near Brownsville, Texas on the uh uh
east coast of Mexico.
>> And um he said that when it crashed um
it produced an explosion that killed a
cow 100 meters away.
>> Wow. And um uh if if there was a strong
magnetic field around the craft, which
or or which I have reason to believe
there was um then um the collapse of the
magnetic field is what released the
energy that that vaporized the
>> metal at the top and bottom.
Why do you think this whole topic it's
like it attracts a few really smart
people like yourself and then you have
so much circumstantial evidence like an
abundance of circumstantial evidence and
then somehow it's like the one smoking
gun that we always want is slips through
your fingers. And I I'm talking about
this as a person who's I'm deeply my
revealed preference is that I'm like
deeply interested in this topic. I think
there's a there there. I'm not a
skeptic, but it's like this like it's
always like the hard drive goes missing
at the end. The photo is a little too
blurry for like the consensus to believe
it. It's so frustrating.
>> It depends what you consider a smoking
gun. I think that these um extremely um
skewed isotopic ratios might be
considered a a smoking gun. And um the
fact that um a lot of these uh these
pieces are nanotechnological devices
beyond our technology.
>> And um like that sphere was um a made of
a titanium alloy that um had carbon nano
tubes also built into the metal which I
think provided thrust by the the Bfield
Brown effect.
>> It did.
>> Yeah, I think so. I mean I don't know
what else could have made it fly.
>> Do you have this thing?
>> Um
not anymore. It got stolen.
>> Got stolen.
>> Yeah.
>> Who stole it?
>> My family, if you can believe that.
>> Oh, man. I'm sorry.
>> Yeah,
>> that's horrible.
>> Yeah. Um
>> why they they took it?
>> Yeah, I I still do have uh some other
alien stuff, but um um but um yeah, I I
can't find it anymore. I have reason to
believe it was with in some stuff that
they stole.
>> Jesus Christ, man. I'm so sorry. That's
messed up. It's not cool.
>> No. Do you have is it how does your
family view I mean your your wife is
here. She's absolutely lovely and I can
tell she's interested in this topic. Do
you have other family and what do they
think of your interest in all this
stuff? Uh well, my ex-wife is a um
Christian fundamentalist or says she is
because of her her family's uh
convictions and um uh she's uh I think
convinced my kids that um that I'm uh of
the devil or something along those
lines.
>> Jesus, I'm sorry.
>> And my mother is
kind of unstable and also is uh kind of
turned my kids against me as well. Um,
>> she's she's afraid I'll embarrass her by
going on on the air or putting stuff on
the internet, things like that.
>> Well, I'm sorry, man. I think your brain
is a gift to humanity. So, uh, and so we
don't know where this object is that was
taken from you.
>> Uh, no, I don't know.
>> Damn, that's crazy. And then what about
the um the piece from uh St. Augustine
crash in New Mexico?
>> I still have I still have some of that.
>> That's fascinating. And have you done
you've done isotopic analysis on that
and that has isotope ratios that are
weird or
>> the isotopic ratios on on that uh were
not that remarkable. Um
uh so that material may have may have
come from earth. You may have some
manufacturing facilities on earth too.
Um
>> what uh material is it? Like what
element?
>> Uh it's mainly aluminum.
>> Okay. Okay. Um the the sphere was a
titanium alloy that with carbon tubes
built into the metal and small like half
millimeter voids introduced into the
metal to lower the density. So it had uh
tremendous strength. Um and was stronger
than most any titanium alloy I know of.
Um but it was about the same density as
aluminum.
>> And when you say Biffield Brown, you're
just assuming that that's the
anti-gravitational
force created.
You could make capacitors out of the um
the carbon nanot tubes. The carbon nanot
tubes had a capacitive dialectric
coating on them in this case.
>> So it seems a reasonable assumption.
>> So interesting.
>> And you could use that spherical shape
um as a receiver for scalar energy.
Tesla was trying to do that to power
flying vehicles.
>> Did he have designs for flying? I know
he had
>> I think he actually I think he actually
flew some rumor has it.
>> Really?
>> Yeah. Where are those rumor? I didn't
know about that. That's amazing.
>> Oh, um
just there's um a book called Lost
Silence. I believe it's in there.
>> It's hard to get a hold of now.
>> Do you have any footage of the implant
being taken out of any of these
patients?
>> Um I'm not sure if I I'm I may I may
have like one or two uh pieces like
that. I definitely have a lot of photos
and stuff like that.
>> It'd be amazing to show as much as we
can just cuz I think uh the average
person, this is so far out. Um,
>> yeah. I mean, it's it's way people don't
believe it because it's it's so far uh
outside what we're taught.
>> Yeah.
>> And um uh the government's done their
best to um punish people that believe in
this in various ways.
>> Yeah. I I feel like I have to ask this
question, but I feel like it's important
for you uh cuz you seem like a very
lovely person. I've really enjoyed this
conversation. If you Google your name,
uh, for whatever reason, this OKC
bombing thing shows up. And so, I just
want to give you an opportunity to
address what that is.
>> A massive car bomb exploded outside of a
large federal building in downtown
Oklahoma City, shattering that building,
killing children, killing federal
employees, military men, and civilians.
>> Oh, yeah. Well, I got I got in trouble
with the feds uh 30 years ago on um a uh
gun charge, weapons charge, and um uh I
uh got uh investigated along with 14,000
other people that were uh into similar
things at that time. And um they um as
near as I can figure, the ATF was trying
to punish me for not cooperating in
their investigation by trying to link me
to that that bombing. Oh, they were just
trying to link you to that.
>> Yeah, they didn't.
>> And you didn't you never knew Timothy
McVey or anything?
>> No, they never read any proof of any of
that.
>> That's so weird.
>> In fact, I found out from a guy that was
writing a that's writing a book on
Oklahoma City that I was cleared early
on in the investigation, but they kept
on saying that on the news that uh
>> that sucks, man. It almost makes me
think there's some sort of campaign
against you because like why is there so
much online that's
>> I think there is. I think I think
they're trying I think they're they're
taking full advantage of that whole
thing to try to discredit my UFO
research now.
>> Yeah. And you never cross paths with
McVey at all. You never even met the
guy.
>> No, I met never met the guy.
>> That's so crazy. And he he didn't have a
UCLA connection or anything like that.
>> No. Okay. No.
>> That's weird, man. I'm sorry.
>> Um
>> Well, I you know, if I wrote down
everything that's occurred in my life in
an autobiography, I don't think anybody
believe it.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, but I experienced it. So,
>> yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, what what's
anything come to mind?
>> Well, just all all this stuff and you
know, first they try to link me to this
Oklahoma thing and then the aliens show
up and just a very um
>> very odd series of events.
>> Yeah. And is there is there anything
about your is there anything about your
father his history that might be related
to so you said at the end of his life
you sort of admitted that he was you
know um uh maybe you know was taken up
on a craft. Do you think he was doing
any sort of covert work in any of these
areas or
>> I I'm not sure. I I don't think he was
doing any covert work but um he was he
was he kept things pretty close to his
chest. So, um I think if he was I'd be
the last person he would have told.
>> Interesting. Okay. Yeah. I don't know
what would have even been going on at
Oxenard specifically, but yeah.
>> Yeah. Well, there's a there's a um
military base there that near there that
was very important at one time. Point
Magcoo.
>> Okay. Point McU. What did they do at
Point Moo?
>> Uh tested a lot of missiles. Um
>> Okay.
>> Uh submarine launch missiles and
air-to-air missiles mostly.
>> Okay. It's fascinating, man. Well, I
really hope you get all the support uh
for your work. You're trying to raise
money for this this this company. Is
that right? Neutron Star Nanotech.
>> The economy being so bad right now. I
haven't had a whole lot of success, but
um I'm still hoping to um get that off
the ground.
>> Well, hopefully this gets amplified
among people with deep pockets who are
interested, I think, in supporting, you
know, some of the most frontier science
and work. Oh. Um, uh, uh, very, uh,
wealthy people have come forward a a
couple of times and, uh, wanted to
support my work, but it it fell through
and I I had reason to believe at the
time that that, uh, the government told
him not to do it.
>> Really?
>> Yeah. Robert Bigalow was going to hire
me for his company at one time, too, and
that also fell through.
>> What? Why do you strange?
>> What do you think it is? you know, with
Bigalow and a lot of these guys, it's
like there's this desire to get into
this stuff and you really want to know
and then things get like dark at a
certain point. Like it's it's it's sort
of it's it's a very and I find this, you
know,
>> uh with my own inquiries into the topic
where like it's just uh it's hard to
navigate because there's a lot of weird
stuff, you know, it's there's a lot
there a lot of bad there's a lot of bad
energy and then there's there's good
energy, too. They're amazing people in
this field, but a lot of people are
attracted to it for the wrong reasons.
And there's I think there's even like a
like an Old Testament line about trying
to use trying to go into, you know, kind
of sacred stuff using with a commercial
impulse
>> and not being like this really, you
know, bad thing to do. Having said that,
I think we live in a capitalist system
and like the only thing that kind of
works in the modern day is like start a
company around the thing. So I'm not
like anti- all companies, you know, I
used to invest in companies. So it's
this weird but it is this weird thing
where I think if
>> if the motivation is to make money off
the thing, it often goes south. And I I
don't know Bigalow. I'd love to
interview him, but my my sense is it
sort of didn't pan out maybe in the way
he wanted it to.
>> Well, Dr. told me that that he he
started this aerospace company of his um
uh because uh he'd had uh an alien
experience of his own out in the desert
and um that um uh they told him to meet
them in space.
>> Who who said this? This is
>> the aliens told him to meet to meet them
Bigalow. They told Bigalow to meet them
in space.
>> Whoa. Really?
>> Yeah. I think
>> so. Bigalow had an experience and the
aliens said, "We'll meet you in space."
>> And then from then on, he like committed
his life essentially to
>> looking into all this stuff. UFO reverse
engineering, hiring the alien implant
specialist like really
>> on the Big Aerospace website, there was
a little alien uh head too.
>> Wow.
>> Kind of like he was announcing that or
>> that is absolutely wild. the amount of
stories you hear like that like um I
think Agnu Bonsson who uh he headed up
the Institute for Field Physics and um
you know uh uh at North Carolina Chapel
Hill and he also funded Towns and Brown.
So he's working on all this crazy
anti-gravity stuff and hosting kind of
the top gravity physicists in the world.
Freeman Dyson Fineman um Peter Bergman
all these guys convened John Wheeler at
the Institute of Field Physics in 1957
for this Chapel Hill conference and he
in his diaries talks about like the
space brothers talking to him and
possibly kind of prompting him to look
into this stuff. Towns and Brown had
similar experiences where he he had
space brother experiences that he
discusses. So it's like you're being
prompted by the beings to look into what
their tech is or something. They they
they talked to Tesla, too, according to
what to his writings.
>> He said that. Yeah. In Colorado Springs,
he said he communicated with aliens. Did
you um ever have anything like that? I
mean, I have to ask you because you're
working on all this stuff. Did the
beings ever say, "Steve, you are going
to dedicate your life to alien
research?"
I I don't remember them saying that
specifically, but I've always had um an
obsession with um with uh uh this kind
of research and um certain other things.
Um and I think that they do that to a
lot of people because um once you get
obsessed with the topic and you do all
this research on it, if they have a
brain implant in you, then they know it
too at that point. So they're they're
getting you to do their research for
them.
>> Yeah. Uh it's like this weird
distributed science model or something
where like they just have
>> they're collecting intel through these
different scientific nodes or something.
It's so trippy.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> And we're all we're all maybe there
science experiment. Who knows? Well, one
of the obsessions uh part of the reason
I got into trouble before is one of the
obsessions was with weapons and um I you
know it's I think that's uh kind of
characteristic with some uh some people
that are class 2 experiencers. There was
one guy that was most likely a class two
experiencer that um that uh had a bunch
of guns in his house and there was a
there was a big to-do over that. So
>> maybe it's a characteristic. I don't
know.
>> Fascinating. Well, Steve, I really
appreciate this. This was a lot of fun.
Uh, I feel like I could talk to you for
hours. I can tell we're interested in a
lot of the same stuff and um, yeah, I
really really appreciate your your time.
>> Yeah, no problem. My pleasure.
>> Awesome.
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