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[@ChrisWillx] Why Don’t They Want You Talking About Birth Rates?

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@ChrisWillx - "Why Don’t They Want You Talking About Birth Rates?"

Link: https://youtu.be/ub5buYkbK5s

Duration: 10 min

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Short Summary​

This episode features Simone discussing pronatalism, exploring the ideological tension between progressive values and fertility rates as conservative women maintain a 1.67 birth rate compared to liberal women's 1.87. The discussion examines why the political left struggles to develop pronatalist narratives and whether feminism can be reconciled with pronatalism through concepts like panatalism.

Key Quotes​

  1. "But we don't know that it has to be. We don't know that there's not a future version of feminism that's pronatal." (00:00:53)
  2. "if feminists stop having kids, there will be no feminists left." (00:00:21)
  3. "a panatalist is someone uh who supports people to have the kids they want to have, but also respects people who choose not to." (00:00:37)
  4. "you are condemning those people to kind of be at the mercy of an ideology that you think is bad." (00:00:23)

Detailed Summary​

Key Statistics on Fertility​

  • Conservative fertility rate stands at 1.67 children per woman, while liberal fertility rate is 1.87—representing a notable gap between political groups
  • Approximately 90% of people have or want children at some point in their lives, suggesting pronatalist messaging could appeal to a broad audience

Pronatalism vs Panatalism Definitions​

  • Pronatalism means supporting and actively doing things to help people have more children, without forcing unwanted children on anyone
  • Panatalism is a distinct concept defined as supporting people to have the children they want while respecting those who choose not to have children
  • Leia Sergeant has written a book exploring how to reconcile feminism with pronatalism

Ideological Tensions​

  • There is genuine tension between gender egalitarianism and high fertility rates, as more sexist countries and traditional gender attitudes correlate with higher birth rates
  • Feminists largely refuse to attempt creating a pronatalist version of their ideology, contributing to the ideological gap
  • People on the political left have found it more challenging to develop a pronatalist narrative due to tensions with traditional progressive beliefs
  • Some people fear having children means subjecting them to governance by ideological opponents, with Handmaid's Tale cited as an example of this anxiety

Recommendations and Critique​

  • Advocates should try to bring as many people as possible into the pronatalist movement rather than alienating potential supporters
  • Simone argues feminists should work to modify their ideology to be pronatal rather than abandoning future generations to opposing ideologies
  • Simone and her husband have been working for a long time trying to change hearts and minds on this issue and feel exhausted by the effort
  • Critics claim this stance condemns left-leaning women to be at the mercy of an ideology they think is harmful