[@joerogan] Joe Rogan Experience #2368 - Michael Button

Link: https://youtu.be/wiaA9s-OBoQ

Short Summary

Here's the requested analysis of the Joe Rogan podcast transcript:

• Number One Action Item/Takeaway: Remain skeptical of definitive historical narratives and encourage interdisciplinary, open-minded exploration of our past, recognizing the limitations of current evidence and potential for paradigm-shifting discoveries.

• Executive Summary: This podcast explores the limitations of traditional historical narratives and calls for open-minded exploration of alternative possibilities, including lost civilizations and earlier origins of human intelligence. The conversation stresses the importance of interdisciplinary approaches, questioning established timelines, and considering the impact of cataclysms on wiping out evidence of past cultures.

Key Quotes

Here are 5 quotes from the Joe Rogan Experience podcast transcript that represent valuable insights, interesting data points, surprising statements, or strong opinions:

1. "Some particularly vocal mainstream kind of historians and scientists seem to claim to know absolute truth about the past. And that's just stupid. Like how can anyone know about what happened 100,000 years ago or 200,000 years ago? And it kind of gets gets me a little bit riled up because at the end of the day, none of us know what happened back then. So I think a lot more possibilities are, you know, possible than than what many people appreciate." (This quote highlights a critique of dogmatic perspectives within mainstream historical narratives.)

2. "It's such an incredible amount of time that all these materials that we build with are just going to corrode and they're going to they're going to rust away if they're metals. They're going to oxidize. They're going to flake until they're just tiny little fragments that just disperse in the sedimentary record and they're just invisible to see. And same with concrete, same with even things like glass...I would say almost nothing would survive that long." (This quote from the guest touches on the profound challenge of preserving evidence over vast geological timescales, questioning what would remain of current civilizations if left untouched for hundreds of thousands of years.)

3. "We have nine sites, nine glimpses, nine snapshots into over 200,000 years of history. Nine moments in time and we use that to extrapolate out what every single human was doing for nine globally." (This quote encapsulates the extreme limitations in our understanding of early human history due to the scarcity of archaeological evidence.)

4. "Graham's quote is the best. I love this quote. We are a species with amnesia." (This quote is from Graham Hancock about how humanity has forgotton key historical details.)

5. "But it doesn't mean that their civilization only started with the first dynasty. What we've decided is the line between myth and fact cuz that's a modern interpretation after the fact. They never made such distinction." (This quote pushes for a reevaluation in the difference between myth and fact.)

Detailed Summary

Here is a detailed summary of the Joe Rogan Experience podcast, focusing on the discussion about ancient history and related topics, presented in bullet points:

Key Topics:

• Origins of the Guest's YouTube Channel:

  • The guest started the YouTube channel less than a year ago, focusing on ancient history.
  • The channel gained traction after March.

• Dissatisfaction with Traditional Historical Timelines:

  • The guest studied ancient history at university but began to question the standard timeline of history, especially regarding the origins of civilization.
  • The guest doesn't dispute specific facts taught, but rather the "macro perspective" on history.

• Discovery of Early Homo Sapien Remains in Morocco:

  • The 2017/2018 discovery of 315,000-360,000-year-old Homo Sapien remains in Morocco significantly predates previously known remains.
  • This discovery challenges the notion that "nothing happened" for vast stretches of time before the Neolithic Revolution (approx. 10,000 years ago).

• The Late Bronze Age Collapse:

  • The podcast touches on the Late Bronze Age collapse around 1200 BC, where powerful civilizations simultaneously collapsed.
  • The collapse is attributed to a combination of climate factors, trade disruption, and societal unrest.
  • This collapse serves as a case study for how climate change can devastate civilizations.

• Possibility of Sophisticated Prehistoric Cultures:

  • The discussion explores the possibility of advanced human cultures existing tens or hundreds of thousands of years ago, which were then destroyed by cataclysms (climate change, volcanoes, comet impacts, etc.).

• The Problem of Preservation:

  • The difficulty in finding evidence of ancient civilizations due to the degradation of materials over long periods is discussed.
  • Even modern materials would likely disappear within 100,000 years.
  • Only a few Homo Sapien sites older than 100,000 years have been found, providing very limited glimpses into the distant past.

• Gobekli Tepe:

  • Gobekli Tepe (approx. 12,000 years old) is presented as compelling evidence that civilization is older and more complex than traditionally believed.
  • It challenges the idea that agriculture is a prerequisite for civilization.
  • The site is megalithic and contains carved pillars. Only 5% of it has been unearthed.
  • Pillar 43 might be a "cosmic calendar" potentially warning of a past or future impact event.
  • The Tashapella culture, to which Gobekli Tepe belongs, is not classifed as a civilization, despite exhibiting many traits of one.

• Challenging the Definition of "Civilization":

  • The hosts discuss that the traditional definition of "civilization" is based on ancient Mesopotamia (Sumer), but this narrow definition may limit our understanding of how human culture can flourish in different ways.

• Cataclysms and the "Gap" in Civilization:

  • The conversation touches on the 6,000-year gap between Gobekli Tepe and the emergence of Sumerian civilization.
  • This raises the possibility of a cataclysmic event that reset civilization, forcing survivors into a barbaric lifestyle.

• Agriculture and Climate Change:

  • The hosts question the traditional idea that agriculture is the sole driver of civilization, noting that agriculture emerged in multiple places at almost the same time.
  • The "Holocene" (stable climate conditions) is often cited as enabling agriculture, but they question why similar events didn't lead to agriculture in prior warm periods.

• Evidence of wood Construction from far longer than expected

  • Discussion about the Calbo structure
  • Calbo is 476,000 years old
  • Constructed of wood
  • Predates homo sapiens
  • Suggests humans lived in permanent settlements

• Ancient Egypt:

  • Ancient Egypt is a mysterious outlier, far ahead of the rest of the world even on a traditional timeline.
  • The construction of the pyramids is baffling, and conventional explanations (wooden sledges, stone chisels) are questioned.
  • They discuss the possibility of undiscovered structures beneath the Giza Plateau.

• The Green Sahara:

  • The Sahara Desert was green for 9,000 years and then rapidly transitioned to a desert precisely when ancient Egypt emerged. This timeline doesn't make sense.
  • The Sahara is presented as a potential location for a pre-existing civilization before ancient Egypt.

• Erosion on the Sphinx:

  • They point to Robert Schock's theory that water erosion on the Sphinx indicates that it is older than traditionally thought.
  • They also touch on discoveries like the "Valley of the Whales" to emphasize the changing landscape over millions of years.

• Toba Volcano Eruption Bottleneck Event:

  • Mentioned is the Toba volcano eruption that nearly extinguished the human species

• Columbo Structure:

  • The discovery of the Columbo structure in Zambia.
  • The Columbo structure is paradigm-shifting because it defies the idea of 12,000 year-old limits to advancement.

• Human Inteligence:

  • This discovery leads to a disputing of the idea that behavioral modernity only came around between 50 to 60,000 years ago

• Neanderthals and Interbreeding:

  • Abandoning the previous idea of Neanderthals as unintelligent

• Alternative Historical Ideas:

  • Ancient civilizations that emerged and were destroyed without evidence
  • There were also potential civilizations that existed in the Amazon
  • Evidence of Detroit where nature is taking over after 50 years, which is bizarre
  • There have been giant bottles.

• Arrogance of some Academics and Gatekeeping:

  • Criticism is aimed at academics who present definitive conclusions about history and dismiss alternative hypotheses, which acts as gatekeeping.

• Christopher Dunn and the Great Pyramid:

  • They mention the theories of Christopher Dunn, who suggests the Great Pyramid was a power plant.

• The Antikythera Mechanism:

  • The Antikythera mechanism from ancient Greece is discussed as evidence of advanced technology predating the conventional timeline.

• The Schist Disk:

  • They mentioned the Schist Disk. A bizarre stone that looked like a part of a machine, driving them nuts.

• Unchartedx YouTube Channel:

  • Ben from UnchartedX found that something was bigger than the Giza plateau underground in Eygpt. This includes underground structures.
  • Haramau and Arseno are the names of the sites he's talking about.
  • These places that Petri got into had an area larger than a whole temple.
  • The real problem that needs to be discovered is, why underground?

• Underground Structures Across the World:

  • Long Caves in China. These are gigantic spaces that have been carved.
  • Turkey - There is an area that houses 20,000 people livestock underground. All in these underground structures.

• Importance of Myth:

  • They think myth doesn't hold any kind of use in understanding the past is ridiculous.

• Power of Nature:

  • Story about some guy in Russia where he filmed the tsunami. The ocean reached the top of the cliff!

• Old Wheel - 300 Million Years Old:

  • They found an old fossilized wheel, and tracks made by things pulling wheels. It was next to Darenyu.
  • These cart tracks and the wheel are from 12 million years ago!
  • Could it be that everything has been done before?

• Denise Evans:

  • Finding all these new different branches to different types of men.
  • What about giants? Were giants real.
  • Meganthropus. Some guys found it 300,000 years ago. He's way bigger than is! And so close to is. Was David and Goliath a real story?

• London Hammer:

  • Hammer was found but people debunked it.

• Mummified Remains with 3 fingers and 3 Toes:

  • There are also things that have to do with Peru.
  • The mummified hands in Peru are made of bones and skin that looks real.

• Jesse Michaels YouTube Channel:

• Jesse Michaels is doing real journalism on mummified remains. It could change everything! This man is like the greatest investigator of our time!

• UFO Crash in Virginia and Brazil:

• The guy remembers a time in the 1900s where police officers investigated a crash. They picked it up and the man who picked it up got a deadly disease shortly after and the bodies smell like sulfur.

• There are multiple stories with kids saying things like this. It all matches together. 3 fingers 3 toes with really big eyes and a purple like thing.

• Tom Delonge and UFOs:

  • The Tom Delonge. He has always spread info like this out of nowhere. Maybe this information helps people ease into the idea.
  • The guy thinks the government is probably spreading info to be spread out. Is it possible?

• Crash Retrieval Program?

• Government doesn't want to share everything so that there won't be mass chaos. We will give up any faith with authority and there won't be anyone who is even worth listening to. People will end up worshiping the aliens.

• Government Secrecy

  • But what if this becomes mainstream?
  • Then the media should start covering this. If the DNA does not match humans, then we have a problem. That is something no one knows.