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[@joerogan] Joe Rogan Experience #2374 - Ben van Kerkwyk

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@joerogan - "Joe Rogan Experience #2374 - Ben van Kerkwyk"

Link: https://youtu.be/KOVGNkSk5CQ

Short Summary​

Number One Action Item/Takeaway:

Increase awareness and advocate for the further exploration and excavation of the Labyrinth in Egypt, considering its potential to revolutionize our understanding of ancient history and the potential loss of the site due to rising groundwater.

Executive Summary:

The Joe Rogan Experience features a discussion about the Labyrinth in Egypt, a massive underground structure described by ancient authors as surpassing the pyramids in grandeur, and precision artifacts discovered in pre-dynastic burials, displaying a technological sophistication unexplained by conventional Egyptology. Suppressed scientific expeditions and rising groundwater levels threaten this potentially groundbreaking archaeological discovery.

Key Quotes​

Here are five direct quotes that represent valuable insights, interesting data points, surprising statements, or strong opinions from the transcript:

  1. "For this I saw myself and I found it greater than words can say. For if one should put together and reckon up all the buildings and all of the great works produced by the Helenis, the Greeks, they would prove to be inferior in labor and expense to this labyrinth." - Quote from Herodotus' histories in the fifth century BC, emphasizing the labyrinth's grandeur.

  2. "Honestly, the labyrinth is the biggest archaeological discovery of the millennium. When we get into what that structure is and how big it is and the way it's reported in antiquity, there's nothing bigger than like Heroditus says it surpasses the pyramids. like it's like finding more giz like a Giza plateau somewhere like under the ground like you can't I just think it would be the biggest discovery of the millennium which is part of the problem." - A strong statement asserting the labyrinth's significance and hinting at reasons for its suppression.

  3. "Basically they're coming back with precision in terms of circularity, flatness, like centering um numbers that are are very much equate to some of the best industrial processes that we do today in things like aerospace industry. So where it's really important to be within two or three or 4 thousandth thousandth of an inch of perfection for the parts we make for jet engines or rocket engines. Those are the numbers that we're seeing come back on a lot of these vessels." - Provides specific data on the astonishing precision levels found in pre-dynastic vases.

  4. "And in fact, I did a I have a I have a video on this and it's we found a piece actually like a small maybe 20 30 micron wide piece embedded in one of those grooves uh in a tool tip that looked like an embedded piece. It shines up very brightly. When you see metals in on this in the SEM, it's like a bright spot and you can aim it at it and it was just straight titanium and it looked like a small piece of a tool that had been wedged in there." - A surprising statement about the presence of titanium in ancient Egyptian artifacts.

  5. "I genuinely think that if you can change that at that fundamental level to this cyclical version that is an oscillation between civilization and cataclysm and this idea that okay we've actually risen in the past. We've become relatively high technology. We become civilized and and it it happened. It would have been different to us but it it we fell. We fell again and we're we're somewhere on this oscillation and this circular motion between civilization and cataclysm. And on a long enough time scale, we know it's going to happen again. And if you can change that, if you could change that fundamental concept in people, like that's what we teach people in schools. Okay. So, we we're rising again. We're we're at this crazy point in time where our technology is super advanced. We can solve some of these problems, but we know on this time scale, if we don't do something about it, we might end up like our ancestors did." - Expresses the opinion that a cyclical view of civilization can help us prevent future disaster.

Detailed Summary​

Here's a detailed summary of the Joe Rogan Experience podcast with Ben from Uncharted X, focusing on the key topics, arguments, and information discussed:

Key Topics:

  • The Labyrinth of Egypt:
    • Existence of the Labyrinth is supported by writings from ancient authors (Herodotus, Diodorus Siculus, etc.).
    • These authors describe a massive underground structure greater than the pyramids in grandeur.
    • Conventional archaeologists acknowledge its historical existence but believe it was quarried away.
    • Scientific expeditions (Matahar, Kora University) in the 2000s found evidence of the labyrinth's structure, including a labyrinthian structure of granite walls, using geophysical techniques (ground penetrating radar, geomagnetism, etc.).
    • Results of these expeditions were allegedly suppressed by the Egyptian government.
    • A metallic, Tic-Tac shaped object (40m long) has been detected deep within the central atrium of the Labyrinth.
    • Rising groundwater is threatening the site's integrity.
    • The video discussed by Joe Rogan is named "Ancient Structure Said to be Greater Than the Pyramids"
  • Advanced Ancient Technology and the Tale of Two Industries:
    • Theory that ancient Egypt had both a primitive, handmade industry and an advanced, precision-based industry.
    • The precision stonework (vases, statues) shows a level of accuracy and complexity not explainable by known ancient Egyptian tools and techniques.
    • Examples include vases made from hard stone (granite, diorite, rock crystal) with incredibly thin walls (some only 2mm thick) and precision exceeding modern aerospace tolerances.
    • Emphasis on tool marks and geometric principles found in ancient works.
    • Vases are uncontrovertibly pre-dynastic as they have been found in pre-dynastic burials from the Naqada culture, some dating back over 5,000 years ago.
  • Precision Vases and Machining Marks:
    • Analysis of vases reveals high precision in circularity, flatness, and centering.
    • The speaker gives various examples of specific vases and precision artifacts.
    • Debate whether vases were created using a lathe or computer-controlled machining.
    • Examples of tubular drill cores found in sites with the same type of machining marks.
  • Evidence of Advanced Technology: Titanium & Radioactivity:
    • Scanning electron microscope (SEM) analysis of vase fragments found no copper (contradicts theory of copper tools with abrasive materials).
    • Instead, titanium and titanium alloys were detected, along with iron, zinc, and tin.
    • Precision vases exhibit two to three times the thorium decay products as compared to rock samples taken from that era, which could have been acquired through nuclear radiation.
    • The possibility of nuclear machining is discussed as a speculative technology used to carve stone.
  • Timeline and Cataclysmic Events:
    • Herodotus claimed the labyrinth was constructed 3,600 years before his time, which predates the orthodox date of the pyramids by over a thousand years.
    • Discrepancies in carbon dating of the pyramids, with some dates predating the conventional timeline.
    • Erosion patterns on structures at the Giza plateau suggest an age far exceeding dynastic Egypt.
    • Valley temples may have been built specifically to access this branch river of the Nile during the African humid period thousands of years before dynastic Egypt.
    • Discussion of anatomically modern humans existing for potentially hundreds of thousands of years, allowing for the possibility of advanced civilizations before the known historical period.
  • Ancient Egypt and the Sahara:
    • The Sahara was once a savanna during the African Humid Period, suggesting a lost civilization may have existed and that the sites were only built after the Sahara.
    • Water channels and mineral deposits show evidence of some type of water washout over this area.
  • Stargates:
    • Hieroglyphic images from Dendera Temple are discussed, which have been translated by experts to literally mean stargates.
  • Lost and Inherited Technology:
  • Speculation on the potential that the Egyptians rediscovered these works after cataclysmic event.

Arguments/Information:

  • The Labyrinth is Real: The speaker makes the case that there is convincing evidence that the Labyrinth of Egypt exists.
  • Hidden History: The speaker suggests there may be a hidden side of Egyptian history that is not known in textbooks.
  • Mainstream archaeology suppresses evidence that challenges conventional timelines and explanations. They are biased toward not changing the status quo and lack the engineering expertise required to fully understand ancient artifacts.
  • There is a gap in historical understanding of ancient history. Some events and technologies from the past have not been discovered yet.
  • The advanced technology in ancient Egypt must have come from somewhere. The idea that Egyptians developed it, it was inherited, or some other unconfirmed event caused it.
  • Egyptians borrowed from advanced civilizations.

The conversation also branches into broader speculative topics:

  • The search for Atlantis and lost underwater cities.
  • The Fermi Paradox and the possibility of advanced extraterrestrial civilizations,
  • The concept of nuclear machining is a theory regarding nuclear particles being used for machining hard stone.