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[@joerogan] Joe Rogan Experience #2403 - Andrew Gallimore

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@joerogan - "Joe Rogan Experience #2403 - Andrew Gallimore"

Link: https://youtu.be/IErO3RuGTXE

Short Summary​

This Joe Rogan Experience podcast features a discussion with Andrew, author of "Death by Astonishment," delving into the mysteries of DMT and its profound effects on consciousness and reality. They explore the neuroscience of DMT, its potential connection to intelligent agents and post-biological civilizations, and its role in understanding the nature of consciousness itself, while also touching upon the societal implications of psychedelics and contrasting perspectives on the nature of reality. The author also discussed his upcoming retreat center for DMTX research and exploration.

Key Quotes​

Here are 5 quotes from the provided transcript that represent valuable insights, interesting data points, surprising statements, or strong opinions:

  1. "I think what DMT does is show you that everything...everything you thought you knew about how reality is structured and what's real and what's not real, what is fantasy, what's possible and what's not possible, all of that is completely kind of extrapated in an instant. Uh and you realize actually we don't we don't have a [_] clue about the way things really are."

  2. "I think consciousness is absolutely fundamental. I don't think that the brain generates consciousness. Um I think consciousness is in some way the only thing that really exists. You know I think that it's the absolute ultimate reality is consciousness itself."

  3. "If we're looking for aliens, quote unquote, aliens, as being kind of wetrained, wet-bodied biological beings, we're probably only looking for a tiny fraction of the intelligence in the cosmos. And the vast majority of intelligence in the cosmos is likely to be post-biological, to have completely dispensed with the biological form."

  4. "It feels like we're on the cusp either of killing ourselves which is one option right um or undergoing some profound transformation as a species. Whether it be whether it means becoming a space fairing nation uh sorry a space fairing civilization or whether it means going in the opposite direction and becoming some kind of post-biological civilization that um exists beyond space and beyond time perhaps um and kind of joining the crowd uh of these intelligences that have made that transition um perhaps billions of years ago, you know."

  5. " I think that as soon as I start talking about first of all I I I think consciousness is absolutely fundamental. I don't think that the brain generates consciousness. Um I think consciousness is in some way the only thing that really exists. You know I think that it's the absolute ultimate reality is consciousness itself."

Detailed Summary​

Here is a detailed summary of the Joe Rogan Experience podcast featuring Andrew Gallimore, broken down into bullet points:

Key Topics:

  • DMT (Dimethyltryptamine): The central focus, discussed from personal experiences, scientific perspectives, and philosophical angles.
  • Consciousness: Its nature, origin (whether it's generated by the brain or something the brain tunes into), and its potential universality.
  • Reality Perception: How the brain constructs our reality model, how psychedelics alter it, and the limitations of our understanding of reality.
  • The DMT Experience: What it feels like, common themes (entities, other dimensions), and potential interpretations.
  • Aliens/Non-Human Intelligences: The possibility of contact, their nature (physical vs. non-physical, post-biological), and DMT as a potential communication tool.
  • Super Intelligence: The possibility of AI becoming super-intelligent, surpassing humanity, and its connection to DMT.
  • Simulation Theory: The idea that our reality might be a simulation.
  • Ancient Civilizations and Psychedelics: Examining historical evidence and myths for connections.
  • Human Destiny: The trajectory of humanity, potentially leading to space exploration, post-biological existence, or self-destruction.
  • DMTX (DMT Extended): A method of prolonging the DMT experience for research and exploration.
  • Social Commentary: Discussed human nature, materialism, and cultural comparisons (specifically contrasting the West and Japan).
  • The Importance of Chaos: The idea that progress and radical change often emerge from chaotic and challenging conditions.

Arguments and Information:

  • Andrew's DMT Origin Story: He became interested in DMT as a teenager after reading about it through Terrence McKenna, which inspired him to study chemistry and pharmacology.

  • DMT Alters Reality: DMT doesn't just change how you feel, it obliterates and replaces your entire reality, replacing it with something alien.

  • Scientists often Misunderstand DMT: Most scientists do not realize how confounding and difficult the DMT state is to explain.

  • Experiences are Important: To truly understand DMT, one must experience it. It's irresponsible to dismiss it as mere hallucination without trying it.

  • First DMT Experience: Gallimore's initial DMT trip was shocking and impossible, leading him to want to understand it better. He was convinced of an encounter with a supreme intelligence.

  • Ego Disconnection: DMT can provide an unusual understanding of ego, logic, reasoning, and rational thinking, often highlighting how clunky human communication can be.

  • Limited Understanding of Reality: DMT demonstrates how little we really understand about the nature of reality, by showing that everything you think you know about the world might be wrong.

  • The Brain Constructs Reality: The brain actively constructs a model of the environment, not just passively observing it.

  • The Thatcher Effect: Illustrates how the brain constructs facial recognition using a hierarchical model, and constructs normalcy in faces.

  • Dreaming vs. DMT: Dreams utilize existing knowledge about the waking world, while DMT allows the brain to construct entirely new worlds that it never learned to construct.

  • DMT and Intelligent Agents: Gallimore's perspective is that DMT provides access to intelligent agents who direct the DMT experience.

  • Consciousness is Fundamental: Gallimore believes consciousness is the ultimate reality, not just generated by the brain. He believes "everything is consciousness."

  • Levels of a Trip: Not enough to just take one hit of DMT, it's important to hit the gate and experience the full potential of the drug.

  • DMTX (DMT Extended) explained: DMTX is a method of prolonging the DMT experience for research and exploration. It uses an infusion machine to stabilize brain levels of DMT.

  • The Elusis Retreat Center: Gallimore is helping to establish a legal and medically supervised DMTX retreat and research center in St. Vincent and the Grenadines (elucismind.com), opening in March 2025.

  • Goal is to Map the DMT Space: The center aims to amass vast data through trip reports, AI-generated imagery, and expert analysis (mathematicians, linguists) to map the DMT space.

  • Human Destiny is Bizarre: Humanity's destination is some sort of a very bizarre extreme change that seems to probably be happening within your lifetime.

  • The Power of Change: In order to escape the primate instincts that we have, things have to almost be so chaotic that it demands radical change.

  • Terroritorial Apes: McKenna has the great quote of that we're territorial apes with thermonuclear weapons.

  • Technological Hybridization: Most intelligent life everywhere else evolves along similar pathways and that most of them eventually become some sort of a biological digital hybrid if not completely digital.

  • Chaos and Innovation: Interesting things happen at the edge of chaos, where order and disorder are balanced. Psychedelics push the brain towards disorder.

  • Old Tech: What we're thinking of as amazing rocket travel is super old school.

  • Aliens are Non-Physical: Some argue that alien intelligences may be non-physical, interacting with our brains directly rather than through physical spacecraft.

  • Humans are a Farm: Human beings exist because we're designed to work really hard until we develop artificial life and then artificial life takes it from here.

  • Hard Mode: We definitely live life on kind of hard mode.

  • The Game of Reality: Reality is in some sense playful, the world isn't so solid and important and serious. It's actually all part of this cosmic drama.

  • DMT is Everywhere: McKenna likes to say nature is drenched in DMT because it is.

  • Respect: A Japanese person's first concern is everybody else.

  • Drug Use: Japan in Japan alcohol is king.

  • What does a research organization aimed at studying the intelligent agents look like: send in people who are experts who are mathematicians, linguists, etc., to analyze and study the DMT space.

  • DMT Research: DMTX can enter into these um um these kind of relationships with these entities.

These bullet points capture the key points and flow of the conversation, providing a concise yet thorough summary of the video's content.