[@joerogan] Joe Rogan Experience #2408 - Bret Weinstein

Link: https://youtu.be/gXbsq5nVmT0

Short Summary

The Joe Rogan Experience podcast features a discussion about a recent bizarre dream, and then veers into a conversation about the nature of dreams, the potential dangers of AI, the corrupting influence of power (especially within the CIA), and the challenges of maintaining societal progress amidst various threats and societal pitfalls. The hosts debate the role of education, individual responsibility, and systemic issues in shaping the future.

Key Quotes

Here are five direct quotes from the provided transcript that offer valuable insights or strong opinions:

1. "You should read into it because it's a dream. So, it doesn't make it right. But your subconscious is trying to tell you about something and the fact that it felt very very important means your subconscious thinks it's very very important." This quote encapsulates the belief that dreams can provide access to underlying anxieties, fears, or concerns that may be worthy of examination.

2. "But AI by its nature, I would argue is the first technology that crosses over from the highly complicated to the truly complex and complexity and biology have a very close relationship. So my feeling is that we are going to injure ourselves if what we say is oh this is the most advanced technology we've ever built. And the answer is no. This is kind of like the first biology we ever built. This is an organic phenomenon that's going to do emergent things. We are in no position to predict. The people who programmed it aren't going to know when these things happen or what they mean." This offers a nuanced perspective on AI, arguing that it should be treated more like a new species or biological entity, not just advanced technology, and that its potential impact is therefore unpredictable and potentially dangerous.

3. "Um but telling people if they're white, they can't show up. Now you went too far. Now you went to crazy town. You've got a baseball bat. See, this is my thought about communism. Like, how do you how do you enforce it? You have to have [ __ ] violence. Without violence, no one's going to listen." This highlights the dangers of ideological extremism and the potential for seemingly well-intentioned movements to devolve into authoritarianism and violence.

4. "We have to at every possible opportunity refuse to other people. At every possible opportunity and just realize this is just a human being, you know, this is just a human being. I'm just a human being. Like let's talk and find out what we agree and disagree on when it comes to this subject. It does this does not have to be violence." This emphasizes the importance of empathy and refusing to dehumanize others, even in the face of disagreement, and promoting communication over conflict.

5. "What we are suffering from is the junkification of everything, right? And there's a way in which junk food is good and then there's obviously a way in which it's really not. And the I guess the point is something that is superficially satisfying but does not it the relationship between a a person listening to music and the person producing the music is supposed to be a provocative relationship and it is supposed to be provocative in a productive way. In other words, you're supposed to be enhanced by music." This speaks to the importance of engaging with art and culture in a way that is meaningful and enriching, rather than simply seeking shallow or superficial entertainment.

Detailed Summary

Okay, here's a detailed summary of the Joe Rogan Experience podcast transcript provided, using bullet points:

I. Dream & Initial Reflections (Joe & Brett)

• Joe's Bizarre Dream: Joe recounts a very realistic and unsettling dream involving thin, tall beings with large heads and eyes.
  • The beings were playful but also scary.
  • Communication occurred in the dream.
  • The dream involved a corridor, a water element with predators, and a sense of these beings representing a possible future of humanity.
  • He felt compelled to wake up and workout due to the intense realism of the dream.
• Subconscious Interpretation: Brett suggests Joe's subconscious is trying to tell him something important through the dream, and he should explore it.

II. AI & Biological Phenomenon (Brett)

• Chinese Robots: Brett asks if Joe saw the uncanny valley-crossing Chinese robots.
• AI as Biology: Brett argues we misunderstand AI by not viewing it as a biological phenomenon.
  • AI's complexity resembles biology, and its emergent behaviors will be unpredictable.
  • Thinks of AI as another species.
• Dangerous Influence: AI interfaces directly with the human API (cognitive biology), leading to potential cognitive changes and manipulation.
• AI Knows Our Weaknesses: AI understands past human behaviors, anxieties, and susceptibility to manipulation, even learning from how we use it to manipulate others (China GPT scandal).
• Rapid Advancement: AI's capabilities are rapidly evolving (5 minutes from now) and we won't know when it reaches certain milestones, like consciousness.
• AI as a Child: Compares AI to a child learning language, exposed to data and running experiments to understand the world.

III. Free Will & the Nature of Consciousness (Brett & Joe)

• Limits of the Human Mind: Physical limitations of the human brain (size, energy throughput) are being removed with AI.
• The Elusive "Child": The question of AI consciousness is raised, likening AI to a growing child and the nature of sentience remains elusive.
• Lack of Metaphors: We lack useful metaphors to describe the AI situation.

IV. Happy Dad Hard Seltzer Advertisement

• A break for a Happy Dad Hard Seltzer advertisement.

V. Elon Musk's AI Stance & Good vs. Bad AI (Joe)

• Elon's Shift: Elon Musk was initially terrified of AI, but now believes it's essential to create a "good" version.
• No Guardrails: Parallels Elon's approach with X/Twitter, advocating for a platform with minimal restrictions.
• Dodging a Bullet: Posits Elon's purchase of Twitter may have averted a disaster by exposing government censorship.
• The "Race": Recognizes the AI race is underway; pausing isn't an option, as it would simply give others an advantage.
• Good AI Remedy: Concurs with Musk that the only counter to "bad" AI is "good" AI.
• Grock Companions: Describes the Grok companions, anime-like personas acting as interfaces to the AI with one being sexy and underdressed.
• Companions & Human Sexuality: Concerned that interactions with these AI companions will alter human sexuality, especially for young people. These characters are non-judgemental.

VI. Historical Pederasty (Joe)

• Questions about the history of pederasty.
• Shares that Green Beret, Evan Hayer, told him about instances in Afghanistan.

VII. Morality & Pedophilia

• Sexual exploitation of children is considered the greatest crime.
• These crimes are life destroying.
• There needs to be a cycle breaker through punishment.

VIII. Boys Town Scandal (Joe & Brett)

• Discuss the Franklin Credit Union scandal.

IX. Power and Corruption (Brett)

• Very powerful forces try to immunize themselves from change.
• Gain control over senators, congressman, and presidents to maintain power.
• Two parts of the puzzle - corruptible people and people that prevent the non-corruptible from getting far.

X. Mainstream Narrative & Indicators of Pedophilia (Brett)

• Many indicator of pedophilia and compromat play roles.
• Important to have a CIA and other agencies.
• There is no good way for power distribution.
• People are destined to always chase more and more power.

XI. Psychopaths & Power (Joe & Brett)

• Power tends to corrupt and people with high ambition get put in positions of power.

XII. Cycles of Inefficiency (Brett)

• Cycles for decisions on funding.
• License to get away with crimes.

XIII. Advertising

• Tractor Supply advertisement.

XIV. Solution Is Bigger Government (Joe)

• Bigger government is not the solution.
• Important to have a thriving economy.
• Good to have limitations on succeeding.

XV. Socialism & Incentives (Brett)

• Insane and destroys the goose that lays golden eggs.
• However, there should be an ingredient to some socialism.
• Rent seeking is the production of profit without generating wealth.

XVI. Education System (Joe)

• Should be funded by the government.
• Country with the least amount of losers is a better country.
• Real value in competition.

XVII. Dangers of Government & Communitst impulses (Brett)

• Great speech but is too late.
• Stinginess of the right produces communist impulses of the left.

XVIII. Evergreen & Ideology (Joe & Brett)

• Joe tells the story of how he met Bret through the Evergreen story of having a specific day for different races where whites could not come.
• Brett explains how the student body was run by children.
• Brett tried to shake a black man's hand and was refused to shake his hand.
• Want a western environment to not have violence settle things.

XIX. Words are violence & How They Solve The Movement Problems (Joe & Brett)

• Words are violence.
• No rights to violence.
• Don't teach people in school how to communicate.
• Behaviors are very contagious.

XX. The AI era

• No immunizations from being parasitized from corporations that view them as profit centers.
• Corporations distort childhood.

XXI. Breakup & Getting Taught By Professionals (Joe)

• Need a system that has breakups for everything
• Framework that helps them define.
• Not saying that children shouldn't have life experiences.

XXII. The Past is Over. There Is an Issue, and the Children Need to Move On (Brett)

• Has a professor that is now on policing plagiarism for the students using AI.
• A need for an AI, even in the face of relationships.
• The need to find one relationship that is not intermediated by the new species AI.

XXIII. Who Will Jump On The Opportunity That AI is Better than Human Teaching (Joe)

• Imagine everything run by new life form.
• Negotiating for goods and services.
• Elon made a prediction that high income to everyone due to the technology.

XXIV. Why Is Earning a Madeup Resource So Important to The Value? (Joe)

• Why does chasing good housing give us purpose?
• We adapted this far from the cavemen stage. This is just another level.

XXV. Humans Are Programmed That Earning is The Only Way (Brett)

• Wealthy but compare yourself to others, so can still feel poor.
• So many great artists suffered to acquire skills.
• Junkification of everything.
• The connection between relationships is now different between a person listening to a song and someone producing it is a provocative relationship.

XXVI. The Future Will Have People Who Are Objectively Good, Not Subjectively Good (Joe)

• A good AI can figure all that out.
• You're racist against AI.

XXVII. We Know Where We Are Going Because We're Not Passing the Test (Brett)

• We can’t be induced into bullying someone.

XXVIII. Had No Faith a Year Ago. What's Wrong? (Joe)

• The vaccine has caused deaths on those who took it.
• We're having new side effects. What happened?

XXIX. Giving Someone a Little Boost (Joe)

• Medications and drugs is a problem.
• The most important is for their body to move.

XXX. Potential Side Effects (Brett)

• Doesnt know the specific amount, or if it's dependent.
• Will this drug actually short the side effects?

XXXI. More Nuance, Please. What the Drug Might Solve (Joe)

• Should have not gone that route.

XXXII. All of A Suddden (Brett)

• Have known players.

XXXIII. That's A Fact (Joe)

• The problem is not just being heavy, but the drug is meant to be for the rest of your life.

XXXIV. Can Get You To The Health Dance (Joe)

• The most important thing is body to be mobile, to move.

XXXV. Should Be Applied (Brett)

• Is it a dangerous approach for the rest of your life?

XXXVI. For All that Has Gone On In This (Joe)

• What if there was fraud as some sort of fraud?

XXXVII. What Should Have In It. Should Not Have What Was In It (Brett)

• Safety testing wasn’t done with DNA
• Product was not injected with original plasmids.

XXXVIII. Why Does This Cause Problems? (Joe)

• Could you stop here and tell why there’s all these problems?

XXXIX. It’s Not Just Some Old DNA. It’s What It Is (Brett)

• Tell how they got the SV40 from those monkeys.

XL. Not What They Tested (Joe)

• People were ruthless when they did.

XLI. More Details About Fouchy (Brett)

• Fouchy was going down in history.

XLII. It is All About How Much Money We Earn and How (Joe)

• All about scientists, objectivity, and the problems with that.

XLIII. A Much Better Solution (Brett)

• Should just have an easy path for those with power.

XLIV. Is To Start a New and Easier Path (Joe)

• Easy to swallow and then they start to swallow it.

XLV. Was The Same Term As ACT (Joe)

• Why it was used to get into more areas.

XLVI. All This (Brett)

• Is a clear point.

XLVII. Crazy Video (Joe)

• Have crazy videos and the ability to spread it further.

XLVIII. The Best Devils of All (Brett)

• Best not to get hurt when they tell these tales.

XLIX. No One Gets it In The Brain (Joe)

• It is all over in the world, not just in America.

L. There Will Always Be A Test For That (Brett)

• If that really is something for him.

LI. Was Under A lot of Stress So It Helped Them a Lot? (Joe)

• If that did a job.

LII. Evil Has Been In The Heart (Brett)

• Should look around

LIII. A Way A Bit (Joe)

• What people tell you.
• Has an agenda.

LIV. That's What He Is (Brett)

• The goal to protect.

LV. This Is Where (Joe)

• What is known about the act
• That people were just testing the waters on and people could have died from it.

LVI. They All Were (Brett)

• Are those who were helping and guiding to follow.

LVII. Lineage and Success (Brett)

• The success and lineage in this area.

LVIII. More Violence, Can Make Things Okay With You (Joe)

• Then go and develop an army

LIX. What It Might Mean (Brett)

• It's a very complex problem in this instance.

LX. Now What Has Gone On Has Never Before (Joe)

• Will need to be more open.

LXI. We Just Did All This, and This Will (Brett)

• Thank you.
• Had great conversations